pvp

[proven field]

as a top 20 BGB blitz member across north america I must say I am shocked and disgusted by that accusation

[gilded gulch]

they boo you

then demo lock tanks your entire burst

with pact

assuming you got past his instant fear and axetoss

already

[proven field]

jokes on you, there are other specs that own me way harder than demo

[gilded gulch]

irony of an mm hunter complaining about burst

in /1

when i kill him

[proven field]

sir, unless you are willing to complain about ret paladins, I am going to have to ask you to stop, respectfully

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/john-marston-shoot-shotgun-rdr2-rdr1-gif-13388825346202920402

[gilded gulch]

ret paladin is hard wdym

i played it with obr

and doubled the other guy’s dam

i imported vanguards’ build and didnt read a single talent

[proven field]

no we just complain about them

[gilded gulch]

i always have

if you main ret you’re either 12 or 55

[proven field]

ok, as a top 20 north american assa rogue blitz player, you can stay

[gilded gulch]

are there even 20 assa on na

[proven field]

there are way more than 20, how dare you

this isn't outlaw, I am offended

[gleaming sentinel]

[calm vortex]

if have legs hero, i can buy the item that convert pve item to pvp item, and set it, so it can benefit for both pve and pvp ?

cuz stats are fixed in set tier right?

[potent pivot]

Ya

[proven field]

There are in fact... checks drustvar... 105 lol

1/10th the number of sub, but still 2x the number of outlaw

[dark kernel]

That's not even bad for 10 days into the season

Like unironically.

[proven field]

i agree, I have already updated my linkedin profile

"Top 20 Assa Rogue BGB Blitz Player - North America"

[harsh kiln]

dw, i'm sure they're gonna put a tierset bonus that affect rtb at some point as usual anyway

[dark kernel]

Thank the lord, I hope they also then Nerf restless blades by another 20%

[rough rock]

i lowkey would fuck with this, turns it into literally how all swashbuckler rogues function in DnD

instead of this weird non functioning theme it has

anyways @potent pivot took only 2 1/2 half hours to hit 90 with my sub using Follow the Arrow, recent update is baller

finishes at 87 and 80% with proffession

[proven field]

What is the role of outlaw; my assumption was always heavy sustain and cleave (no burst like sub, not rot/ramp like assa) - how do we honestly balance that to be effective

previously it would be things like "tanky enough to survive and out-last healer pools" but dont really see that now

[outer sky]

The role of outlaw is to be the game's benchmark of a bad spec so everyone else can compare themselves to it to see how much worse off they could be

[proven field]

I just mean, each rogue spec has a different role in a team match-up - but because of how different they are, it's very hard to see a season where all 3 will work

[rough rock]

[outer sky]

Yes, and outlaw's role is to be comic relief for his team for when things get stressful

[rough rock]

in most DnD games its a buffer/debuffer/cc monster

Like a fighter role more focused on cc and enabling

[proven field]

it was CC monster a few expacs ago

[rough rock]

yes but only sub can have cc and do damage

[outer sky]

it was a different class a few xpacs ago

[rough rock]

blizzard ruled that

[proven field]

so back to my question then, what role is outlaw

can't out-CC, can't out-live, can't out-burst, doesn't rot passively

[rough rock]

We can carry a flag half as good as a mw or evoker!

[proven field]

(and I ask this as a combat main since hemo days)

[outer sky]

I've answered this question. You just don't like the answer. It doesn't contribute anything positively. It's just BAD.

[proven field]

It's missing something for sure, but part of that is also really just because sub has too much

[outer sky]

it's missing CDR on Vanish and Spammable Cheap Shot

Outlaw isn't bad because sub is good

its bad because its bad

dont overthink it

[proven field]

i think you're right though, some of the unique CC should be spread or moved over

[outer sky]

Literally everything was fine before Midnight

Any issue a spec had could be solved with numbers tuning

[rough rock]

Yeah ngl after almost 100 blitz games on outlaw this season i feel like i do nothing better than sub

[outer sky]

99/100 times

these changes fucked everything up

Put 2 specs in the gutter where they shall remain forever and one on a throne

[potent pivot]

Nice it took me like 5hrs to do my dh but I was afking watching shit on the side and going slow af. Was also with no real alt exp bonus

[outer sky]

just fucking gutting a 22 year old integral class mechanic

like yeah okay

like they could revert the cheap shot change and make shadow dance cap cheap shots at 2 per dance

and that would fix like 90% of the problem

[proven field]

hey neither does assa lol

but hey look at the bright side, helps with maintaining confidence.. if you beat a sub on a node it's like "man, you got wrecked" but if they beat you it's like "well, you're sub, you should"

[proper vortex]

Any catchup gear from last expansion to help leveling? i have a really old lvl 80 and cant even do t1 delves

[potent pivot]

Auction house

[proven field]

the silvermoon quests give you a good chunk, the intro will be hard though

[severe helm]

Eh idk about that for outlaw

Unless you consider putting vanish/evasion back on cdr as tuning

[outer sky]

Had*

[severe helm]

Oh you mean BEFORE it could be

[outer sky]

as in, previous seasons

[potent pivot]

He said before midnight

[severe helm]

Yeah now the specs are fucked

Beyond repair

Lol

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

yep

[severe helm]

They're lost tbh

The pve tuning is also super misguided lately

I think we're just at the point that a lot of the developers are just really out of touch with how the game actually functions

So they aren't able to make informed decisions

[potent pivot]

I’m gonna do it boys

Gonna apply to work at blizzard

Fix the machine from the inside

Fuck it

[severe helm]

Do it

[spring bough]

Seems like they don’t even play their own game anymore

[severe helm]

Yeah that was kinda always the joke but it feels very real now

They're so fucking lost

[potent pivot]

Idk it’s felt real for a long time to me

[severe helm]

Something about midnight feels worse idk

[potent pivot]

The amount of things they have to re touch after the fact or walk back. And then the stupid things they decide to be extremely stubborn about like Deathstalkers mark …

[severe helm]

BRO

That one genuinely was so upsetting

Why did it take this fucking long

[potent pivot]

???

Wdym

It’s still fucked

[severe helm]

Well they proposed a fix

The one where you can actively move it

[potent pivot]

The fix is a bandaid

[severe helm]

And it now is marked by garrote

[potent pivot]

It’s bullshit

[severe helm]

I agree

But they should have done that

Week two

Of s1

Of tww

It was so obvious how shit this was gonna play

From day 1

Rogue is literally designed around sub

And assa/outlaw are afterthoughts

[potent pivot]

The fact that they are still sticking to having so much dps tied to interactive debuffs when they’ve fully shown they are not competent enough to make the gameplay feel cohesive …..

Get rid of cyclical and cooldown debuffs.

[severe helm]

Big dumb

[gleaming sentinel]

pvp: how am i going to do against this sub/ret/ww

pve

; you have been decline

[outer sky]

on the bright side

I'm currently on an 11 game win streak in blitz

[rough rock]

my outlaw is on a 17 loss streak

[potent pivot]

o.o?

[rough rock]

yeah idk

I had a 65% win rate the first 2 days

then bam just lost after loss

[potent pivot]

That’s nuts

[rough rock]

think im at like a 40% now

[earnest orbit]

Why aren't there more gnome rogues in blitz/rbg? I feel like the root removal is pretty slept on for sticking to an efc

Is meld/orc really still that much better? Maybe for orc

[potent pivot]

You have root breaks

[earnest orbit]

Maybe I'm just struggling to find all the best uses for meld, besides resetting

And yeah, good point

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[potent pivot]

I think they just felt forced to remove control because of all the pruning

[outer sky]

17 losses in a row? That cant be real

[potent pivot]

They should’ve just pruned gouge imo

[rough rock]

yup went from 1783 to 1480 something in a single day

[gusty hedge]

GOUGE so clutch

[outer sky]

You won a game on the 25th and lost 3 since then. No shot you've lost the last 17 games

[rough rock]

My pain and suffering makes it feel thast way

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-hanma-gif-3496762255218132045

[jolly sierra]

that happenned to me once

the best choice

[rough rock]

Theres actually a game i had where i won and got 0 rating

[jolly sierra]

was to drop for that day

[rough rock]

And we STOMPED

[jolly sierra]

i was going in auto pilot

[dark kernel]

This show is one of my favorite white noise shows

[jolly sierra]

my mind i say

[dark kernel]

God the first season of baki is amazing

[outer sky]

You could literally play 17 games and go afk every single one of them and probably still win at least 1

[outer sky]

Yeah thats happened to me plenty

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-midnight-class-tuning-for-march-31st-381003?utm_source=discord-webhook

Tuning

@potent pivot

[warm flicker]

Could be worse..

[outer sky]

YES

They did what ive been suggesting

They put a pvp modifier on Heart of the Jade Serpent

Thats exactly what they needed to do

Big W for Blizz on this one

[warm flicker]

What are you guys spending your conq on this week?

[outer sky]

Legs

[warm flicker]

I cant afford legs ;<

already got helm/shoulders

will cap at 825 this week

[dark kernel]

This is not bad thank god

The fucking whiners

Probably a sub 5% overall damage nerf

Not even

[severe helm]

Rip outlaw still a dead spec

[ocean thunder]

when are they pushing those changes?

[severe helm]

31st

[outer sky]

Our 4 set pretty much negates the first one.

[dark kernel]

Yeah

[dark kernel]

Ret burst nerfs too

Honestly good notes

MM hit

[jaunty osprey]

no assa/outlaw buffs

in pve

xd

[dark kernel]

No rogue changes in PvE at all

Was a little sus

[outer sky]

Where do you see that

[dark kernel]

Pvp changes at the top

They're taking away ret burst but buffing them elsewise a bit

[jaunty osprey]

i dont see how they're nerfing their burst

[outer sky]

Oh and spellward nerf

[jaunty osprey]

Vengeful Wrath now increases Hammer of Wrath damage by up to 20% based on the target’s health (was 50%).

meh

[ocean thunder]

is it an actual nerf for ret?

[jaunty osprey]

this wasnt even the cause

for their burst

[hexed blaze]

interesting patch notes lol

[ocean thunder]

frankly, they look towards the right direction, not sure if rsham is fixed but rdruid will be much more competitive

and it was already annoying to face rdruisd who leaped stunned my disc and cloned without counterplay

[jaunty osprey]

Blizzard every 3 weeks:

Nerf Aimed Shot, Buff Black Arrow + Rapid Fire

Nerf Black Arrow + Rapid Fire, Buff Aimed Shot

[dark kernel]

Hey. At least we can be happy that if sub had to get a nerf we got probably a best case scenario

[spring bough]

How does outlaw always get left off

[outer sky]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sub-rogue-lf-wws-mms-and-fws/2281443

Im gunna enjoy this

Just opened a beer

[spring bough]

MW all healing reduced 4% in PvP

Conduit of the Celestials: Heart of the Jade Serpent now causes Thunder Focus Tea to increase the recovery rate of Renewing Mist, Rising Sun Kick, Life Cocoon, and Thunder Focus Tea by 30% for 8 seconds in PvP combat (was 75%).

[outer sky]

This was much needed

[spring bough]

I’m gonna train them now

The are gonna fold

[outer sky]

It'll still be up a very frequently

[potent pivot]

Yep

Knew clone nerf was gonna happen

[outer sky]

I think this is fine

[potent pivot]

Ya

[spring bough]

GG sub rogue

[potent pivot]

…?

Still going to be very good

[spring bough]

?

[outer sky]

Our 4 set offsets most of the first nerf

[spring bough]

I’m just jealous

I just want outlaw notes

[proven field]

Lot of nerfs and... Rapid Fire buff and... Ret buffs?

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-franco-wait-what

I am simple man, but Rapid Fire may be the most tilting spell in the game when it's good

[grave basin]

Im p sure ww got net buffed

[ocean thunder]

Rapid fire is tilting because you see it killing you, Aimed shot kills you and you have to check the death recap logs to see

Maaan I have to sit in a 15min queue to play rogue or i can play disc with insta queues...

[proven field]

And you can’t run or stop it

[ocean thunder]

think you can vanish / gouge / disarm it same as aimed

[proven field]

It just fucking follows you down the hall and into the basement and into your car and all the way home

Yeah 2/3 of those we gotta be right up on them

[jolly sierra]

rapid fire fkin tilts because its no skilled dmg

fucker just goes pillar after casting it

no way to counter that

[proven field]

Literal “I win” button

And has zero ramp needed

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason i hate hunters

its the fucking class in game with least merit deserving overall

0 effort

[spring bough]

U mean thru the pillar lol

[jolly sierra]

yes

he casts

goes behind

and casts it anyways

till the end

[ocean thunder]

To be honest, i prefer MM than BM. You can do something about it, BM is just a constant dot

[spring bough]

Every time

[proven field]

“Line of sight… seems like a big problem…” presses rapid fire “..for you”

[jolly sierra]

scatter shot > disengage > aimed shot > rapid fire > consecutive shot > freezing trap > disengage > repeat

[ocean thunder]

On 1on1 situations sure, you are cooked, but if there's more it's more draining for the hunter to keep it up

Plus you can abuse being the target and LoSing for a little

Not saying its easy, otherwise MMs wouldnt be top dps last season

[jolly sierra]

nah fucking hunters

their uptime for snares is filthy

[spring bough]

I hate when valeera chooses not to be in stealth and pulls all this shit

[potent pivot]

You can control her movement

With pings

[severe helm]

spam ping @ player

[potent pivot]

Can also tell her what to attack with pings I think

[jolly sierra]

this question will be very stupid at this pace

but

how tf do you ping guys?

[potent pivot]

You bind it

In blizzard keybind settings

Or make a macro

[jolly sierra]

got it

[warm flicker]

solo shuffle kicking my ass 😄

[spring bough]

Is there a ping to put her in stealth 😂

[pastel burrow]

you need to unlock the right valeera

for ex I got mine to level 132 and now she's always stealthed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997213948162084875/1487226828732104915/HEcysTSWwAEQjvM.jpg?ex=69c85f6b&is=69c70deb&hm=955195da361106e18c4f49363bb4a3a903ea45e5b1f064775e71236b69c90197&

don't mind the beard she's having a rough day

[stiff cedar]

scatter gone btw which is kinda a big deal, can't just scatter rogues from camo on openers

[jolly sierra]

replace scatter for freezing trap then lol

[warped gate]

Another round of tuning, but nothing for Outlaw this time around, I guess we're fixed!

[stiff cedar]

i mean if i get trapped in the opener on any melee i'm quite happy lmao

bc then my healer isnt

[molten hedge]

Do you think the build changes if you had to guess

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so naw

Both nodes are still really good

And the only optional stuff we had imo was rotten+pv/wm+1finality

Now I think rotten is even more important

[spring bough]

Survival w that 4% Inc tho 👀

Might have to finish leveling mine

[river pollen]

Can i wait till next reset to turn in weekly pvp quest or will that lock me out of the quest for that week?

[gusty hedge]

weekly will disappear

[river pollen]

[dark stump]

mm, monk and sub getting nerf

[ionic crown]

SUB DEAD?

or not

[dark kernel]

Replicating shadows is a little bit of a hit, but honestly this is nothing

It seems blizzard is really trying to let us be at least viable this time

[dark stump]

meanwhile monk and hunt

[dark kernel]

I still think they will cave eventually and just gutter us

[potent pivot]

Wouldn’t say nothing

It’s roughly a ~15% nerf to burst damage

[dark kernel]

I know Kalvish said that in a tweet but I don't know how accurate that number is

You'd have to break out an entire burst rotation and then extract the damage breakdown

[potent pivot]

We’ve been talking about it

It’s pretty accurate

[hybrid palm]

New eye of the storm way better

[sharp sierra]

the mm and ww nerfs are huge too

[dark stump]

for mm maybe it's gonna dr worth the try

[sharp sierra]

rsk got a 15% nerf

[potent pivot]

Someone said the ww changes look like a net buff

I have no idea tho

[dark stump]

????????

[dark moon]

?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blizzard??????????????????????

[potent pivot]

Out of touch

Pink losers

[dark moon]

they are already s+ after the 15% dmg nerf

what is this shit man

[potent pivot]

Nerf sub finishers = buff ret finishers

You can’t make this level of incompetence up

[dark moon]

indeed

[potent pivot]

We really need to rally the troops to the forums

[dark moon]

i am actually not only disappointed that we dodged pve assa buffs, but im actually mad rets are getting buffed in pvp

[potent pivot]

Crying apparently works

[fading blade]

They don’t know how to balance rogue so they just gut it

[dark moon]

but rogue wasnt op lategame

thats the thing every expack

its strong at the start with less gear, and then falls off (last 2 assa seasons werent exactly following that logic)

[fading blade]

it’s just incompetence on the dev team, especially rogue dev .QQ on forums/reddit everyday, get what you want

[dark moon]

oh my god this indie firm

even more nerfs?

[fading blade]

15% PVP nerf and not a single PVE buff

[dark moon]

u dont need pve ret buff

u have one on alleria mythic, its enough

[potent pivot]

Even if there were a rogue dev, they wouldn’t be in control of tuning

[fading blade]

There is a rogue dev, but they choose to not do anything

[potent pivot]

And how do you know that exactly

[fading blade]

Well they prob do something but who knows what they’re really doing

[potent pivot]

I mean that there’s a “rogue dev”

[fading blade]

At this rate it’s better just saying there isn’t

[potent pivot]

Was my understanding that they moved away from having people assigned to particular classes or something

[fiery turret]

We all gotta make posts and about rogue being weak and upvote each other

[potent pivot]

And about ret being too strong

[sharp sierra]

i hope we see more sub nerfs in pvp

tthose nerfs do nothing

[potent pivot]

So you’re telling me your brain fell out of your head or ?

[fading blade]

Don’t fall for the rage bait

[sharp sierra]

imma keep making daily threads til they do

[potent pivot]

If you’re here to troll I will just ban you

[dark stump]

Do it

hear the little voice in ur head and do it

[dark moon]

Buffing rapid fire by 15% in pvp

Whaaaaaaat

[frozen walrus]

Am I seeing Sub Rogues complaining after this slap on the wrist?! Lol

[marble oasis]

i'm personally ok with the changes but i'm curious Venoc how much do you think the nerf does to the damage during subs burst?

[fading blade]

15% nerf slap on wrist?

[gleaming sentinel]

Like 10-12% finisher dmg nerf right?

[marble oasis]

12% from the death perception alone during blades/dance then the clones nerf ontop

[frozen walrus]

Where are you seeing a 15% DMG nerf?

[marble oasis]

maths brother

[outer sky]

"Maths" he says

please show your work

i did the maths and that 12% is 10.5%

the clone nerf is 9% to clone damage

its about an 8% total damage nerf

then we get another 3% from 4 set

[ionic crown]

8%nerf? sounds good

[outer sky]

its not that bad lmao

[outer sky]

before 4 set

which offsets about 1/3rd of it

[frozen walrus]

It's nothing

[marble oasis]

how does 12% = 10.5% exactly?

[frozen walrus]

They will still rule PVP

[outer sky]

its not nothing

but its not severe

[marble oasis]

12% reduction on finishes is 12% reduction on finishers?

[frozen walrus]

They did nothing to their control and survivability

[outer sky]

no thats not how "maths" work.

I'll explain after this blitz

[marble oasis]

i'm genuinely curious as notricks thinks 15% also to evis/tech in burst

[outer sky]

hes wrong

[marble oasis]

it's naturally a not effecting builders but i don't think that's where the 'danger' comes from so to speak

but yeh happy to see what you've worked out, as always happy to learn how all this spaghetti mixes together

[halcyon timber]

That is a reduction at each layer of the talent. Then since clones are a rider of the parented attack - also reduced

[dark stump]

what did i miss ? from my pov it's 2am

[halcyon timber]

Thats a significant reduction especially when parts depend on the parent to crit and the clones crit on their own - which are reduced in all states. Volatility is lowered and that is before defensives, as healing is pre-existing as a hot or while in cc such as revival or external defensives and individual talents the defending party uses.

[outer sky]

With Death Perception stacking multiplicatively (as it does), each bonus multiplies the others rather than being added together. With Shadow Blades up, the current value is 100 × 1.10 × 1.10 × 1.10 = 133.1, and after the nerf it becomes 100 × 1.06 × 1.06 × 1.06 = 119.1. That means you’re going from 133.1 down to 119.1, which is a loss of about 10.5% of your actual damage, not 12%. The “12% nerf” claim comes from comparing 30% vs 18%, but that’s just the change in the buff values, not the real impact on damage. The same logic applies without Shadow Blades: 100 × 1.10 × 1.10 = 121 drops to 100 × 1.06 × 1.06 = 112.36, which is about a 7.1% loss. So in both cases, multiplicative stacking shows that the real damage loss is smaller than the raw percentage difference, and calling it a flat 12% nerf is incorrect because it ignores how the buffs actually scale the base damage.

[ionic crown]

just give me a number

[marble oasis]

Yeh that's what i've just sat and worked out.

How does the clones nerf effect things i've actually never looked at how much % of the base value is replicated as most of clones at % of the base damage correct?
but now that's been nerfed again? i know you said that by itself was 9% but how does that compare to the overall say for one use of SD/SB secret tech?

i won't pretend to understand all the clones we have now

[outer sky]

those 10.5% and 7.1% numbers are also only to finisher damage, which isn't all of our damage. So the actual impact on our total damage will be noticeably less than those %s. And when we get 4 set we get a flat 3% damage buff across the board to help offset some of this

[outer sky]

I have no freaking clue because this dps meter is garbage

[potent pivot]

[marble oasis]

not wrong there

[outer sky]

we're probably looking at an 8-9% nerf before 4 set offsets 3%

the nerf will be more noticeable during shadowblades

[marble oasis]

Ooo that's a good point so really this is ultimately staving off the majority getting 4 set and making the burst we had completely insane

i've only just for 4set today i won't imagine i'm the last

[fading blade]

Zicore the math legend

[outer sky]

yeah and also if for some reason you find the nerf to "feel" bigger than the numbers suggest, you always have the option (not saying I recommend it), but you have the option to drop 400-500 points of haste and put them into mastery to buff your burst at the expense of 1 extra global during dance

[marble oasis]

it's all simple maths i just snapped to the easy number without checking it myself 'fools mistake i know'

[marble oasis]

Yeh that's true i mean who knows us taking haste might be a mistake. if someone dies quicker than the haste extended dance then the haste was worthless

[outer sky]

I like the design tbh. This haste mechanic gives us a dial we can turn between burst and sustain

[ionic crown]

im sure sub still can 1 shot all after nerf

[potent pivot]

Don’t feed this noob’s ego plz

[marble oasis]

that's oversimplied i should clarify

[molten hedge]

Haste feels very good atm idk it’s a mistake. Just may have to adjust. I’ll leave that up to the nerds (love u)

[potent pivot]

Nah

[outer sky]

I cant even one shot on my own now

assuming a fully geared target

[marble oasis]

absolutely at least it doesn't feel god awful having haste now xD

[tame barn]

Hey @potent pivot , is the gearing guide gonna update? for week 2 onward etc ?

[outer sky]

You'd miss me if I was gone and you know it ❤️

[potent pivot]

Not much reason to because the next things are obvious, but I guess I can

[outer sky]

Get legs on reset

[potent pivot]

This week we buy gloves to cata later, next week legs I think

[marble oasis]

@outer sky ty for the schooling btw 😛

I deserved that pulling off the high horse

[outer sky]

Any time bro just ask lmao

[marble oasis]

careful if it's too often people might get suspicious

[tame barn]

oh ok, it just would be nice to have something to follow, no worries

[tame barn]

oke 🙂

[ionic crown]

buff sub 🙁

is finality worth btw?

[outer sky]

No. It might be worth it if we ever swapped to Deathstalker. Because Finality does nothing unless eviscerate crits, and we're running very low crit. Deathstalker has a way to force an eviscerate crit (darknest night), so Finality get's better when playing that hero tree. But as Trickster you just can't get enough value out of it. It's also nerfed 50% in pvp.

[spring bough]

do dmg meters finally tell u what uve hit??

or am i seeing things

[potent pivot]

If I get time I’ll try to add some more weeks to it. I usually only do week 1 cuz of the influx of new/returning players and all the hype+confusion

[ionic crown]

@outer sky what talents build do u use as sub? i wanna follow urs

[outer sky]

sec I'll screenshot

[potent pivot]

Is it not the same as in the pins?

[outer sky]

I play this. Idk if its the same as in the pins or not but probably is or if not then very close

[potent pivot]

Ya

It’s the same

[ionic crown]

❤️

[tame barn]

alright thank u, is it ok if i ask u stuff then throughout the season?

[pliant mauve]

Fucking Supatesse song of chi’d my bleeds and lost. Unsubbing.

[odd yew]

What are the week 2 gearing goals team

[spring bough]

hunter bots in follower dungeons are out of control

[potent pivot]

Ofc

[potent pivot]

Depends on spec

Sub buys gloves this week to cata later

[ocean thunder]

frost mages are kinda annoying

you cant reach them as melee and as healer they are left alone so they blink poly easily

[odd yew]

JUST gloves and nothing else?

[vale basalt]

sin viable at all?

[potent pivot]

Shouldn’t be able to afford anything else yet

Refer to the #1283780831147589713 for what we did w1

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Assa has quite good damage

[runic laurel]

Yeah but I want the Zicore math on whether it’s viable

[potent pivot]

[lime oar]

tricks do u have ur platy import available

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

At work lemme see if I can find it

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

I think that’s it

[lime oar]

ty

[rough rock]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[rough rock]

is preforated veins and weaponmaster our float talent?

[potent pivot]

Rotten, PV, WM, 1finality

You can run rotten with wm or pv

[rough rock]

holy shit is this what it feels like to do damage

[severe helm]

He doesn't even think subs op so not a very great opinion source

[hybrid sapphire]

any week two updates for gearing

or is it still kinda up in the air

[potent pivot]

Never was

[hybrid sapphire]

tell me the gospel sister

[potent pivot]

More ppl gotta use the discord search function

Gloves to cata later for sub

[hybrid sapphire]

its not in pins idk what to search habibi help me help myself

yea but im hashtagAssa

[potent pivot]

Or just conq gloves to keep for assa ig

[hybrid sapphire]

"ig" im cooked

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t really matter

You’re gonna end up in the same place

[hybrid sapphire]

there's only two gloves and one is CRIT... you are wise beyond your years ntrix

this xpac doesnt have glove enchants?

[potent pivot]

What’s the other

Mast or haste

[hybrid sapphire]

mastery

[potent pivot]

Good

[hybrid sapphire]

yeah i avoid crit bc its so normie-coded

[hybrid sapphire]

this shit is straight up useless

[spring bough]

ques seem rather long tonight

[hybrid sapphire]

its friday

[graceful ravine]

how do you guys deal with frost mage in 2s with double blink stuns

do i just go the healer instead?

[grave basin]

im free from this cursed zone

[broken jewel]

I can't loot any loot crates cause every single one is covered in alliance raids 20v1, undergeared fs. I still have the original quest to loot a card from a warcrate. Outland EU horde btw.

Words cannot describe how much I rage everytime a crate comes and there are literally at least, 12 to 15+ allys hugging the crate. It's so bad people often complain about it in world chat

[potent pivot]

Have you tried joining a crate farming raid group?

[spring bough]

Addicted to achievements lol

[broken jewel]

I'll have to and I will. Because organically, noone can get those crates

[potent pivot]

Yeah a lot of the alliance you run into are likely in raid groups as well. There’s usually groups up and running for both factions especially early on in seasons

That’s the best way to farm them, there’s an addon that tracks spawns

You port back and forth to all the new zones, looting a crate every couple minutes

[broken jewel]

So low skill. Leave it to ppl to soak every bit of fun out of the game. Then complain that it's boring or they don't like the new additions

[potent pivot]

Every once in a while you’ll have to fight for a crate but for the most part of each group just has their own shards for the zones you never run into the other faction

[broken jewel]

I love the new zone but it's unplayable due to 5v1 or 15 v5 etc.

[potent pivot]

That’s kinda just the nature of wpvp

[broken jewel]

If it's a fair playable fight i don't mind, and I don't mind losing it

[grave basin]

i wouldnt have this achievement if i were a horde main

i used my ally toons to get most of it

[strange trellis]

Probably depends on the server. Mine you can go after crates outside of groups but yea I imagine it would be a total pain trying to do that on a shard where people farm them on and youre not of the dominant faction

[vague comet]

guys what Spell Queue Window is everyone playing on?

[grave basin]

it's not that bad

[broken jewel]

That's why you tea bag in arena night elf rogues. It's just our duty at this point

winky, smiley face ofc

[potent pivot]

Default is typically the best option

It’s very personal to your own ping otherwise

[broken jewel]

Legit never cared about for the horde , or for the alliance lore. Had some prefferaces like dwarf in tbc etc. But this 10v1 stuff made me hate night elf rogues so badly, it's personal

[potent pivot]

Copying other peoples’ SQW is a horrid idea

[broken jewel]

Hector salamanca style it is personal before going out xd

[gilded gulch]

orc rogues are dumber

hardiness be goofy

[vague comet]

@potent pivot i have ~140

any recs

[potent pivot]

140ms ping?

[vague comet]

yes

[potent pivot]

I would just leave your SQW default tbh

[vague comet]

400?

[potent pivot]

You won’t feel a difference and it might hurt more than help tbh

Yeah

The lowest recommended with ping that high is like 300, but I wouldn’t bother with it personally

Even with 30-40ms I just leave it default

[vague comet]

i agree it actually feels better

somehow

hm

i was playing ret on my alt

felt like i was doing less dps, i guess it was due to low queue delay

[proven field]

i dont think I have ever even looked at spell queue window

[maiden gull]

when do they change outlaw to keep their power level more in line relative to their overall kit.

[grave basin]

Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫),

[potent pivot]

Ye if it’s too low and you have high ping it can really mess you up

[potent pivot]

Sub Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). 3v3 instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[grave basin]

Community perception in the gutter

[rugged sparrow]

[ionic crown]

[olive sequoia]

honestly the pally buffs make no sense to me, so it's fine for a pally to 100-0 me in a single HOJ, but if sub does it, it gets straight nerfs 2 weeks in a row

[potent pivot]

wdym 2 weeks in a row

[olive sequoia]

or the week before that i mean, the 10% in pvp nerf

[potent pivot]

ah

a lot of that was offset by buffs

but yea

welcome to the life of a sub rogue unfort

happens any time its good week 1

"sub has too much utility to have strong damage"

[olive sequoia]

[potent pivot]

but no one says that about anything else

[olive sequoia]

what about pally then

[potent pivot]

Ye exactly

[lilac sigil]

I don’t get this whole explanation of nerfs that sub can’t have big dmg due to his kit, other specs have many spamable cc tools and still do more dmg like frost/fire mage, feral, demo lock. If this nerf hit hard sub will become stun bot, even now killing w/o blades is hard. With outlaw and assa being not decent it will be painful experience

[rustic raptor]

is the sub nerf serious?

[marsh mauve]

maybe we should shut down the discord, that seems to help

[potent pivot]

like numbers wise?

[rustic raptor]

yeah

[potent pivot]

kinda yeah

somewhere in the range of 12-15% less damage in burst

depth perception is a 2pt node so its twice as big of a nerf than it reads on the notes

which is a nerf to base ability damage during burst, plus a nerf to clones (replicating shadows) on top which are already going to do less damage because of the base ability nerf

[lone jasper]

Sub is getting nerfed because of burst already in the very first week, while MM Hunters haven’t been a problem for the entire Season 3 of TWW.

im Not saying anything about retri...

[rustic raptor]

ret got buffed lol

[lilac sigil]

Increasing dance CD to 30s would be enough and more fair nerf, our dmg burst wasn’t as big as fire, ww, enh or frost mage with full ray, even ret could do more dmg in less time

And how many times when you pop blades they throw every possible cc

[lone jasper]

true

[potent pivot]

Too many ppl complain on forums about sub specifically etc

If these new nerfs next week feel terrible, just make a forum thread with feedback ig

I don’t see any other way to get the point across

[balmy shuttle]

Maybe unpopular opinion, but as long as you can kill in kidney + shadowblades sub is fine. Sub player should need to work a bit harder for their kills. Also, current sub representation in all brackets speaks volumes. Personally, I consider the nerfs a slap on the wrist until I see sub representation decrease significantly.

[potent pivot]

representation is already getting closer to middle of the pack. the only reason its higher than normal is because of how rough assa/outlaw changes have made those specs.

most rogues have felt like they've had to go sub

then the left over fotm rerollers that already rolled sub early on when it was broken

there's so many holes in the represenation argument its not even funny

in real games you don't just solo people with blades

[lilac sigil]

Quanity of subs rogues belong to every rog switching to sub because assa and outlaw are underperforming

And if you look above 2k mmr in solo most rogs at eu are top players and their alts

[potent pivot]

tier list based on rep

...

[lilac sigil]

Killing with kidney + blades is impossible in real game w/o help of other bursty spec

[potent pivot]

that was for shuff

this is 3s

ww, ret, mage, unholy, enh are all fine. right?

gotta nerf sub !

[lilac sigil]

Every of this deal much more dmg

And tbh strongest part of sub was enabling goes of this specs

[potent pivot]

as crazy as it sounds even i would rather have 30sec dance CD than a damage nerf

and i do not want 30sec dance CD either

[lilac sigil]

I played 3s with lock this season and I don’t get moaning about op sub dmg because its hard to kill some1 if you don’t have big dmg from mage, ww or enh

[balmy shuttle]

EU Representation 1.8k+ all brackets: 2v2 (sub No1 dps), 3v3 (sub No1 dps), Shuffle (sub No2 dps), Blitz (sub No1 dps)

sry but numbers don't like guys

*lie

[potent pivot]

no one cares about 2v2

eu ladder is just degen

always has been

[balmy shuttle]

what kind of logic is that

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter what it is, if something is considered good all of you will play that spec

why can't that spec be sub for once

[lilac sigil]

Look how many rogs in top spots are whaazz, naala, avidance and naask alts

[balmy shuttle]

This is about representation not top spots

[potent pivot]

instead now it will be feral, ww, etc

[lilac sigil]

Feral will take rog place

[potent pivot]

the spec with the smallest representation across the game

can't let that be good

nope

everyone cries

cba

[potent pivot]

eu 3s

eu shuff

...

[lilac sigil]

Rog will be dead till any buffs both pve and pvp

[dark stump]

arcane mage being in C while the other are higher is criminal

[lilac sigil]

Arcane is garbage

Fire pop up combust and you just die

While frost root you in place for 7 secs and use ray for like 70% of your hp

[stoic spruce]

Meanwhile if a sub kidneys you and you don't have trinket you're dead

But it'll be dead tho right?

[outer sky]

Blizzard isn't going to do this because it would be a substantial PvE nerf. If dance ever goes to a 30s CD then it will be during a redesign like when a new expansion drops. Its not going to happen during a routine weekly tuning pass. So im not sure why everybody keeps talking about the dance CD. Its not subject to change atm

[lilac sigil]

So how would you nerf sub w/o making it stun bot

[outer sky]

I wouldn't.

[lime oar]

it’s literally fine how it is.

[lilac sigil]

For me it didn’t need nerf too

[outer sky]

If i were a dev and I HAD to nerf sub in PvP, what i would do is this.

Rogue: Subtlety

All damage increased by 15%. Does not apply to PvP combat.

Talent: Supercharger
Now procs off of Shadow Blades instead of Shadow Dance

Gg

[lilac sigil]

That would be fine more dmg outside goes and less bursty

[stoic spruce]

As if sub sustain ever actually mattered

[lilac sigil]

But tbh ppl that saying sub kill in kidney must be low mmr, otherwise its almost impossible. Balance team should never look at low mmr when making balance changes

[outer sky]

I think this discord is blowing the nerfs way out of proportion btw. Sub will not be a "stun bot" come reset. And 4 set will help offset some of the nerfs too. Usually im the one dooming here. Feels weird to be the optimist in the room for once.

[lime oar]

no shit, people die in kidney. how else did sub win lmfao. how does ANY class win? cc

a lot has to happen for the kidney to work. people just cry because they’re mentally unwell

[outer sky]

He means sub wasnt 100-0ing anyone in a kidney by itself

[lime oar]

no i’m replying to poop

popo * lol

[stoic spruce]

Yeah now it's a cheap and a kidney

[outer sky]

Also we've been playing 600-700 points of haste to get 2 extra dance globals. If im wrong and the nerfs feel worse than the numbers suggest, we always have the option to drop 500-600 points of haste, get only one extra globals in dance, and put those stats into mastery for more burst. Im not saying anyone necessarily SHOULD do that. But its definitely an option to regain some burst if needed.

[ionic crown]

@outer sky these all of options will be nerfed by 5>3?

[outer sky]

Yes on Tuesday those will say 3% not 5%

[lone jasper]

https://youtu.be/w3TVkxaJ5Y8?si=O0FM9ATyfs26mkY-

[dark kernel]

We are going to be fine my brothers

[ionic crown]

then 18% from 30% if spent 2 pts?

6% 6% 6% from 10% 10% 10%

[dark kernel]

Yes.

Outlaw time is now

[hollow carbon]

I recognize a man of culture by his Profile pic ⚡️

[dark kernel]

Who's got the math for the burst damage reduction

[sharp sierra]

oh damn more mm nerfs. another 20% to aimed shot

[dark kernel]

Is there post saved or pinned

[sharp sierra]

mm is dead

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-know-him-he's-me-star-wars-gif-6400354930568201869

🤝🏻 real

[thick dagger]

I didn’t see that on yesterday’s posts was there more added today ?

[grave basin]

nerf sub and let rogs have 3 F tier specs

[dark kernel]

Not by a LONG shot

[dark kernel]

It's decent. There's napkin math in Kalvishes discord

It's a hit but not probably going to kill us

I still REALLY think they should have waited until full conquest

[dark moon]

yeah, they never do

[dark kernel]

I'm super super not a fan of this hair trigger nerfs when we're not even playing in gear for 90% of the season

[pastel burrow]

They do all their balancing at the start and lose their attention span for PvP by the time everyone is full conq

[warm fern]

Do you think the upcoming nerfs on March 31st will make much of a difference to the Sub-Rogue?

[rough rock]

Zicore was saying the 2set will offset it a good amount

[spring bough]

wheres the math

[rough rock]

Where’s the 12% outlaw math

[spring bough]

what 12% lol

[rough rock]

Isn’t it coming in 12.5

Okay I think I’m schizo I could have sworn I seen that somewhere

[spring bough]

they musta added it after the fact XD

[dark kernel]

They did a bunch in Kalvish discord

[spring bough]

ques so dead early morning lol

lfg dead too RIP

[ionic crown]

HOW TF KALVISH USING WOTLK WEAP ENCHANT??
so ive tried and its locked

[dark moon]

it was fixed

maybe it stays on the already enchanted weapons

[spring bough]

it still works if it was already enchanted

report him for exploits

trickz said it first

[dark moon]

its shameful if its working and they are using it

[spring bough]

screenshotted before trickz deletes his comment

[dark moon]

they should be an example of what to do, not what to not do

[stoic spruce]

I get hpal is loaded utility wise

but like

I find it weird the dps counterpart is a lot more egregious

because its all that + unhealable dmg

[untold remnant]

what order are you guys buying gear? 2-set pieces > then chest/head/legs etc for main stat? or dps trinket 1st? I'm kinda debating buying a high main stat item or the trinket 1st

[spring bough]

yk what would be cool

if warcrate conquest didnt count against the cap

world pvp would be so back

[finite onyx]

people would be full conq in a week

[spring bough]

yeah and that would be fun

[crisp imp]

hi, so, lets say you walk around in the open world doing pve for example preys or world quests, do you wear pvp or pve gear?

(wm on ofc)

[stoic spruce]

pvp gear

it scales up in all pvp combat

but only in pvp combat when in the world

which can kill you if youre too low on health and you drop combat. At least it did to me in TWW

[last jasper]

you just apply it like an enchant or?

[stoic spruce]

yeah

just plop in on that bad boy

[tame barn]

@outer sky or anyone else that knows, what are the names of the crafted boots and waist, do they all start with thalassian ?

does anyone know ?

thalassian competitor etc etc ?

Also, does arcanoweave lining need to be gold quality ?

guys?

[outer sky]

No it doesnt

Any rank works

[tame barn]

Ok ty

[proven field]

I think the quality is just for PVE max ilevel

but tbh the entire crafting thing is confusing as shit

[graceful ravine]

damn i knew it was too good to be true for sub rogue to escape the nerf bat

[dark moon]

thats the joke

cause its not

[outer sky]

Wtf look at this MW monk's win/loss ratio

in 2s

[jolly sierra]

how tf is so low to such high ratio

wtf

[outer sky]

Lot of placement games probably

getting like 5-6 rating per win

This guy's a friend of mine

we went 17-2 together a few days ago in 2s

and the 2 losses were to Nahj and Hansol

[jolly sierra]

fuck, i've seen the opposite too, poor winrate with high rating, and that is for MMR mostly

so, what does matters rn? XD

[jaunty osprey]

Mmr is the only thing to ever matter

[jolly sierra]

kk

[molten hedge]

You lost the mirror bro 😔

😂

[potent pivot]

Head should already be tier rn. #1283780831147589713

[gloomy lichen]

How are people feeling about the sub nerfs? They dont seem that bad i was expecting worse tbh

[potent pivot]

They are worse than they look

[potent pivot]

It won’t

[molten hedge]

P sure he said 4 set

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t matter

It still won’t

Kind of a dumb thing either way, gear doesn’t just offset aura nerfs

The nerfs could very well be higher than -15% because of the clone damage being doubly nerfed

And 4set gives us less than 3% damage

[rough rock]

Are you talking total damage?

[potent pivot]

Burst damage

this is +3% damage in Blades, but you also trade stats off to get it, so effectively less than 3%

these are all nerfed to 6%, which means less consistent damage and burst

this is reduced to 5%

[rough rock]

Will it affect how much haste we are running?

[potent pivot]

so base ability damage was nerfed by -4% from FW, -4% from Dance,-4% from Blades.
base ability damage being lower = clone damage being lower.
then clone damage nerfed another -10% on top of all of that.

[rough rock]

Like the worth of the extra global

[potent pivot]

a "fair nerf" would've been like maybe -2% each on depth total (-1% per talent point) and -5% to clones

but 4 set by far does not make up for even 25% of the damage lost from the nerf

[potent pivot]

remains to be seen

i think haste will still be really good in pve comps/shuffle for sure

ill use another rogue to test mastery after the change just to be sure

[pliant spoke]

if we're supposed to have 600-700 rating for haste, why are the rogues on murlock.io having ~274 and stacking mastery/vers?

[potent pivot]

They aren’t

There’s plenty of people running either or

[potent pivot]

You’re looking at an average that doesn’t even consider pvp ilvl bud

[pliant spoke]

does that same thing apply for the top 5 in blitz for sub?

because they're all vers/mastery build too

[potent pivot]

[pliant spoke]

helpful thnx

[potent pivot]

It’s like talking to brick walls sometimes

[potent pivot]

If all you care about is blitz mastery build is fine

You aren’t in combat the whole game like arena

[jolly sierra]

@vocal surge double alacrity or ferocity/alacrity as human?

[earnest crescent]

I prefer mastery. Whazz made 2 rogues one with full haste and another with full mastery. His third is going full mastery he said it’s better. Just one guy’s opinion though

[molten hedge]

Did he say that officially? Interesting. He also said KiR was insane. He’s on a diff level than 99.99% of ppl in here.

[potent pivot]

Even mastery build still takes the first breakpoint of haste

[molten hedge]

Kalvish says haste is bait for noobs

[potent pivot]

We all know that much at least right

[molten hedge]

That’s without some context but I’m trollin lol

[potent pivot]

Kalv is a noob

[molten hedge]

Trooo

[vocal surge]

Alacrity + Stratagem

[potent pivot]

I was talking to kalv about it yesterday

Even he seemed to agree haste is good for shuffle type shit

[potent pivot]

They mean trinkets not talents btw

[molten hedge]

At least sub is more viable than normal in shuffle than previous recent seasons bc if someone fucks ur DRs there’s always another one in 16 seconds

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[vocal surge]

Oh, in that case Insignia + medallion

[potent pivot]

In reality people will say they prefer X or Y but it doesn’t even matter at the end of the day

[potent pivot]

They want to run double dps as human

Mastery value actually just got hit pretty hard with the nerfs too so

We’ll see where things end up

[vocal surge]

Alacrity + Ferocity

[jolly sierra]

got it

[molten hedge]

Maybe back to badge in setup comps

[outer sky]

And now if you get CCd on dance it just stops your go. It doesnt also stop the next one too

Which to me was always the most irritating thing about playing sub

[stiff cedar]

yeah that part is nice

being forced to brawl after a go to farm back dance didnt feel very Rogue

[spring bough]

2k io rating in the bag too ez this season for the mount

[outer sky]

Yeah but the bigger issue was that you'd build and spend combo points the fastest during dance. So if you got CCd on it, even if you stayed in to spam backstab, it would delay your next go because you missed out on spending combo points during your dance window

Way too much juice for not nearly enough squeeze

[stiff cedar]

yeah ik but youd kinda already said that part (for anyone familiar with dance farming at least) I was just adding on :)

im saying if you did get cc'd on dance, cucking your next charge as well, you kinda had to just backstab which felt awful 100% of the time

[outer sky]

Yeah it was a bad design

On another note

Gnome being required for warrior is so stupid

they need to nerf these racials into the ground

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it is anymore tbh

[lime oar]

the haste cope

[outer sky]

idk they had their root breaks pruned

[lime oar]

[outer sky]

Warrior has crazy good pvp talents holy shit

how do you choose

like theyre actually almost all good

[potent pivot]

?

[potent pivot]

Iirc mag was saying the other day gnome was more necessary for arms still

But not so much for fury?

[outer sky]

Idk. But i'm only playing arms anyway

[potent pivot]

Ew

Isn’t arms kinda scuffed still

[outer sky]

its gotten a lot better but yeah its still not good

thats why Im playing it now

if I set my expectations of it from here

then in the future itll always feel really good

cuz it aint gunna get worse than this

[potent pivot]

You better buy a bunch of those race changers off the AH

[marsh yacht]

Maybe I should do this with shaman

[severe helm]

Enhance is only getting worse

Its probably at its peak rn

Til they realize how strong it is

Enhance specifically

Ele is getting buffs

Same with rsham

[marsh yacht]

I was resto main from WoD on, and hes a profession bot now

[severe helm]

Yeah I really liked rsham in the past

But seems like a shell of its former self

It's mechanics have been so gutted

[marsh yacht]

It is incredibly boring, even if they make it strong

[severe helm]

A lot of specs are like that unfortunately

That's just wow now

[marsh yacht]

I’ve enjoyed dk somewhat , it’s kept enough that it’s recognizable

[gritty hemlock]

For any sub rogue Pvpers I have a quest . For solo shuffle what do you focus on ? Do you focus on the dps or healers . I’m having problems because I feel every classs can shield and out heal the damage I do and it’s just a pumping match . Any tips to counter this?

[rough rock]

wildly variable answers

[lilac sigil]

Depends on situation you have to react to things that happen during match, if your main target used wall or is saved by healer cd you can swap to 2nd dps or try force things like bubble from hpal

[spring bough]

285 pve wep made bout to pvp the hell outta this thing

[gritty hemlock]

Okay , also I would go and focus the healer but my teammates seem to think I’m a dummy for doing that is that not a good thing to do ?

[gilded gulch]

Healer goes are 100% doable

especially if the guy is tapped on outs

[gritty hemlock]

Outs?

Set new don’t know lingo too much yet

[gilded gulch]

trinket

wall

[gritty hemlock]

Okay

Anti cc right ?

Or wall is cc

Or a shield

[gilded gulch]

i mean anything that can save them from dying

[gritty hemlock]

I guess you can say?

Ok

[gilded gulch]

hpals often have to bubble as a secondary trinket

to save their dps

and you can kill them in that window

[gritty hemlock]

They can bubble another person ?

[gilded gulch]

themselves

so they cant be cced during

[gritty hemlock]

Ty for the help

[gilded gulch]

its all about getting resources

in your stun goes

eventually they dont have enough to stop yours

if the dps you open on trinkets you can just stun someone else and start hitting them

maybe get another trinket or cc

[gritty hemlock]

When you are doing a combo

And your trying to pump

Do you keep them cc locked as well?

[gilded gulch]

matchup dependent

you’re not killing people outside stuns generally

[gritty hemlock]

There are so many spells in this game

It sucks that idk classes that well

I feel like every class gotta way to get free like a bird

[gilded gulch]

nah

like dhs are super prone to dying

if their trinket is down

if no peeling your go or a pre dark/blur he can get so far behind

in a full stun

[spring bough]

just playeed a blitz my teams got 2 MW so does theirs.... our two MW go WW and only 1 of theirs does and somehow we lost WW......

and our rogue didnt press LH

[gilded gulch]

well if its sub

[spring bough]

GG

[gilded gulch]

you can probably sit a full outlaw kidney

that spec doesnt do much

[rough rock]

My first blitz on my sub had both my healers with only pve gear

[spring bough]

how do they even que?

i had that one time and somehow we won lol

priest was like "worry bout yourselves i got this"

[rough rock]

Im assuming their pve gear hit a certain level

[outer sky]

There could be 2 outlaws hitting you during the kidney and you probably still dont need to trinket unless you got stunned at like under 50%

[rough rock]

not if all 4 of my buffs line up

(it took 4 fights and 500 tries to line them up and still only did 20k)

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/stars-gif-20828924

[rough rock]

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

I think they removed the PvP ilvl gate

Or some shit

[rough rock]

yeah lmao

[spring bough]

thats crazy

maybe thats why some of my blitz games are so lobsided

[rough rock]

so over this mode lmao

[dark kernel]

Y'all gotta turn your brain off and realize blitz is a crap shoot

[rough rock]

its still frustrating

Especially on an alt losing so much those first 25 games

[spring bough]

sham calls help for LH and no1 goes

and somehow im getting blamed for not peeling lol

like the dude blaming me coulda went too ??

[dark kernel]

Yes. It's how to avoid accountability

[spring bough]

shit is crazy

meanwhile i did 3mil more dmg on WW

than any1 else

[dark kernel]

People play blitz because they can avoid being wrong

That is why you do not respect anybody with high blitz rating and nothing else

And if you are a person reading this and you like playing blitz, sorry but that is a fact

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[rough rock]

i just wanted a quick 1800 on my outlaw and then went on a bad streak i geared my sub to see if i could make more of an impact and...lol

[dark kernel]

Never forget that Jenna has 2 rank1 blitz titles and was hard stuck 1850 in solo shuffle

[spring bough]

best shot at illusion rn till solo inflates a bit more

[rough rock]

people are almost 3000 in blitz its nuts

[dark kernel]

That's true. I just mean long term

[spring bough]

sitting over 1800 in shuffle i dont even wanna touch it rn lol

blitz i was 1860 then lostt like 9 straight and lost 150+ rating LMAO

[rough rock]

im ngl i wish it was just flag maps

i hate the base ones i feel like within the first 500 points its decided 90% of the time

[spring bough]

pretty much

lose LH before we got WW and its cooked

[proven field]

Healers live too long for node maps - if I can take LH and a healer can get there, we’ve almost certainly won

[rough rock]

when you gonna play outlaw? Dropping it this expac?

[spring bough]

ive played 2 shuffle ques

and went 3-3 in each lol

and then i logged out and havent been back XD

[rough rock]

lmao i havent even done ss yet

[spring bough]

that was beforee the 4% buff tho

[rough rock]

first shuffle on sub

[spring bough]

GG report the tank

[potent pivot]

Kinda fucked up ngl

Heard one guy actually got a week ban for queuing tank

[spring bough]

yeah thats what i was ref i saw it on reddit or something lol

[outer sky]

You have to go the prot or he will just safeguard everyone on your goes

[outer sky]

Only thing wrong with this is that it wasnt a perma

[spring bough]

kinda fucked up they grief by queing

[potent pivot]

Nah

Tanks have been played in awc

Shouldn’t get banned for playing lmao

[spring bough]

yeah R1 tanks every other tank poop

[rough rock]

lowkey just rolling the dk

[outer sky]

This is just blizzard not doing their job of making sure they're unplayable

[stoic spruce]

waaaah tanks in arena waaaaah

[outer sky]

Need to make it so you cant even queue as a tank

[outer sky]

Living up to your name there

[stoic spruce]

tank haters are such a loud minority

most people dont even care

[spring bough]

okay mr blood dk

[stoic spruce]

in pve yeah

some sort of gotcha?

[outer sky]

They dont care because its not common enough

Bears were good for a week and everyone lost their minds

Rightfully so

[spring bough]

yk what bout to que vengeance rn to make ppl mad

[dark moon]

I saw a twitter post from a guy that queued shuffle as a tank by mistake and people reported him so he's banned for a week

[outer sky]

Good

[stoic spruce]

this really is a litmus test of character

[outer sky]

If blizzard wont keep them out of arena then we will

[potent pivot]

Ya

[potent pivot]

Loser type of mentality ngl

[stoic spruce]

only pieces of shit support that behavior

and it came from a sub rogue

[potent pivot]

I’m having Deja vu

[outer sky]

Dont care