pvp

[dark kernel]

There is not one in Silvermoonyet

You actually have to go to an older zone they didn't add one

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Straight from the API (Top 5000)

Spec | Count | Max CR

Ret Paladin | 4214 | 2041
Disc Priest | 3328 | 2026
Holy Paladin | 3070 | 2059
Unholy DK | 2921 | 2035
Mistweaver Monk | 2873 | 2119
Subtlety Rogue | 2601 | 2105
Frost Mage | 2120 | 2103
Resto Druid | 1905 | 1978
Fury Warrior | 1903 | 2063
MM Hunter | 1893 | 2032
Windwalker Monk | 1591 | 2044
Holy Priest | 1575 | 1977
Destro Warlock | 1378 | 2075
Havoc DH | 1361 | 1972
Resto Shaman | 1256 | 1926
Demo Warlock | 1235 | 2069
Balance Druid | 1150 | 2049
Shadow Priest | 1105 | 2031
BM Hunter | 983 | 2012
Feral Druid | 970 | 1904
Arms Warrior | 970 | 2048
Enhancement Shaman | 964 | 2066
Fire Mage | 908 | 2059
Preservation Evoker | 849 | 2053
Devastation Evoker | 720 | 2095
Survival Hunter | 668 | 1952
Elemental Shaman | 558 | 2013
Frost DK | 484 | 1956
Affliction Warlock | 463 | 1835
Assassination Rogue | 293 | 1960
Arcane Mage | 256 | 1882
Guardian Druid | 193 | 1827
Prot Paladin | 176 | 2095
Outlaw Rogue | 141 | 2019
Brewmaster Monk | 62 | 1902
Augmentation Evoker | 54 | 1878
Prot Warrior | 53 | 1263
Blood DK | 50 | 1565
Vengeance DH | 18 | 1104

Total Characters: 47,312

[potent pivot]

…

[outer sky]

Outlaw below prot paladin and guardian druid in rep

[potent pivot]

I hear prot pal is kinda disgusting too

[outer sky]

Unkillable God spec with a million externals that can extend games indefinitely but it has a 🛡 icon so everybody hates it. If it had a ➕️ icon then most people would be defending it and even wanting to buff it.

[severe helm]

outlaw probably does less damage than guardian

and has less cc

[outer sky]

Less damage, less survivability. And probably less mobility too since the bear can shapeshift out of roots and slows. And honestly the bear probably has better CC too LOL

[vague latch]

warrior lite in pvp seemed like a good take

[molten hedge]

Think it has a 30 sec stun as a pvp talent lmao

It’s like a charge stun

[vague latch]

bg blitz it might be okay maybe

[warped gate]

Just had an 8 minute 2v2 Skirmish.

[outer sky]

Yeah the like its funny because its sad

[warped gate]

How the fuck did the healer never go OOM?

How did dampening never make it to where mans couldn't heal a papercut?

[outer sky]

How did you even have a healer in a 2v2 skirmish?

[warped gate]

2v3 and the Hunter decided to be a bro and just let us fight 2v2.

[severe helm]

more like temu warrior

[warped gate]

Outlaw/Prevo vs. Ret/HolyP.

[vague latch]

..is mana burn even in the game anymore

[warped gate]

When he was 30% I thought we had this, but he just hovered between 8-10% and was able to keep pressing buttons to keep himself healed.

[outer sky]

The reason why this happened is because even when only 2 players are on each team, if the game tried to make it a 3v3 then it will still apply dampening like in 3v3. 2v2 dampening is way higher to account for less damage going out. They made it that way because if they didnt then you'd have 8 minute 2s games.

[warped gate]

In the end we had to get an Adren/Stun window/Prep/Adren/MoreCC window to get a win even at 8m.

Shit was pain.

[vague latch]

[warped gate]

I wanted to leave, I didn't even care anymore.

[warped gate]

Ahhhhh.

[warped gate]

Okay, I lied, I cared, I wanted to win, I just thought it was dumb.

[severe helm]

wait what was the other dps

you were facing?

[warped gate]

Ret.

[severe helm]

yeah no ms

vs an outlaw with ms but its an outlaw

[warped gate]

At first I tried hitting him, but the Priest kept him up so well I eventually decided fuck it, I'm going on healer.

[warped gate]

[severe helm]

priest has passive 20% dr to melee

[warped gate]

That's what it looked like in the end.

[severe helm]

wtf

why is your pistol shot so high

[warped gate]

Why wouldn't it be?

[outer sky]

Isnt it 30%?

[vague latch]

it reduces damage taken when you use it right?

[warped gate]

Opportunity like a mafucka.

[outer sky]

Not anymore

[potent pivot]

No vanish/evasion CDR, not even worth pressing finishers

[vague latch]

legit was thinking about that in queue earlier lol

aw fud

[warped gate]

I legit only press Pistol Shot when Opportunity comes up.

[outer sky]

Realistically those guys had to be absolutely terrible to lose as ret/disc to outlaw/pres

[vague latch]

maybe they greeded on a play and it caught up at the end

[warped gate]

Wait until Tuesday, that 4% is gonna make us giga-busted and then rule the game!

.. ||||

[vague latch]

also having a purple robe and fuzzy hat transmog for pvp occasionally load in is hilarious

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-mage-cat-mage-cat-by-demonwolf-wizard-cat-by-demonwolf-gif-7332183089245991072

[warped gate]

I started wearing hawaiian shirts in IRL and mogged my guys in game the same and unironically fell in love with it.

[spring bough]

[hollow yoke]

yeah were gonna be mid tier

instead of high low tier!

[warped gate]

tfw even in sweaty ass PvP lobbies, someone takes the time out to tell you he loves your mog is an amazing feeling.

These basic ass Fury Warriors and Monks and co. never understood that the perfect badass to tryhard ratio is to only have one backsheath, and one sidesheath.

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

Yeah okay bud

Real talk though assa may end up kinda cracked

[warped gate]

Since TWW I've been Outlaw exclusive, but I gotta admit, a part of me wants to try Sub, just to feel how it feels to be meta for once.

[gilded gulch]

the best part about sub rn is how often people trinket the first cheap

even if you commit nothing

[dark kernel]

I mean I just will use dance and hit the other guy who then trinkets

[gilded gulch]

well yeah

its just funny to see

[outer sky]

I like when they rush to CC me out of stealth and put me on every DR so they cant peel my go when I dance

[gilded gulch]

or hunters who trinket disarm

[warped gate]

NGL, I try to sit, and then I'm like, "Holy shit dude, is the healer gonna keep up with this? Goddamn, I'm getting pretty low. DID THAT JUST SEEN ___-TEEN?!"

And then might panic trinket.

And then I'm like damn, I fucked up.

Stop that rogue on rogue crime.

But it's such a terrible feeling being that dude to be dropped in seconds in the Solo Shuffle lobby.

Now there's blood in the water and you're the dog of the lobby.

[gilded gulch]

me when the devourer presses nothing and dies to an mm hunter in 4 seconds

while i have both his enh and rdruid stunned

[warped gate]

*no one else is coming out of stealth either*```
**[ME]**: *"Yup, I'm main target. ![CryinJordan](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975584617908293682.webp?size=128 "CryinJordan")"*

[gilded gulch]

we actually could have won opener vs the devourer but he decides to unload on an enh

who can just trinket burrow

[warped gate]

I keep hearing how Devourer is so rigged, but I'm just not seeing it with the ones I'm fighting.

Sub I definitely feel lives up to their infamy.

But Devourer is just.. feels mid?

I know all these tier lists can't be wrong, but it's wild I haven't fought a strong Devourer yet.

[last jasper]

Idk about rigged. Defensive are so shit

[potent pivot]

Devourer def needs a lil something more

It’s too bare bones to be a caster imo

[last jasper]

He is gonna get a huge self heal next patch tho

[potent pivot]

It having the same stuff as havoc just feels ass

I kinda wish they made it a melee

With like 1 or 2 range attacks

I like an unholy dk but DH version

[last jasper]

Nah. Unholy is already feels like demo lock

[potent pivot]

Give it a warrior spear type ability

That pulls enemies into the void

[potent pivot]

I like unholy

[last jasper]

Me too. The redesign is awesome

[potent pivot]

Being a melee with a decent ranged ability feels very good

Like surv too

[rough rock]

kinda funny how everyone used to say "outlaw can have cc but shouldnt do most damage or its broken"

Now look at sub lol

[potent pivot]

Ret is too far into the ranged melee

[last jasper]

Sad blizz gonna hide all the minions :/

[molten hedge]

Ye it’s basic I wouldn’t find it fun at all

[potent pivot]

It’s a shame because the thematics of devourer are easily one of the sickest specs

[molten hedge]

Dude it is so well done

[rough rock]

doesnt have blade dance cant be

[last jasper]

Idk, kinda fun. With the blink. It just lacks cc

[rough rock]

blade dance is pure aura

joking but ya youre right its cool thematicly

[molten hedge]

Yeah once you play a cc or utility heavy class, playing something that’s 1 dimensional isn’t as fun

[rough rock]

havoc was fun for just turning brain off and hitting someone till they died

although last years build was a min max nightmare

hated it

[potent pivot]

If you’re a rogue main havoc is just the next best melee imo

As far as just being kinda fun to play

[last jasper]

Having range nova is good. But lacks spamable cc. Like really bad

[molten hedge]

100%. I’ve played every melee and this is true although feral isn’t far behind for me

[spring bough]

figured out u return to ur home after a rated que now

[lime oar]

i’d say it’s gotta be feral 100%

[molten hedge]

I played some jungle ln it was very fun

[potent pivot]

Idk I don’t like feral as much at all

I mained it TWW s1 basically

It’s just a cluster fuck of a spec imo

[rough rock]

i like it in pve

[molten hedge]

It’s much better now with BT gone

[rough rock]

but idk the animations are not even there and thats weird coming from a rogue main haha

[last jasper]

Is there something in betterblizz plates that helps I see selected target? I just realized I barely can see which on is selected

[molten hedge]

I enjoy cloning for some reason

Like cloning CDs or disperse or commune

[warped gate]

Jesus, just had a match where I had to check if a piece of gear of mine broke.
WW/Havok/Unholy/Outlaw/Disc/MW lobby.

[lime oar]

@last jasper i’m not sure about BBP but if u switch to platynator there’s a ton of options to highlight current target

[warped gate]

Fuckers zugged the fuck out of me.

[outer sky]

Ret literally is a ranged spec for all purposes aside from being targetable by ranged pve mechanics

[grizzled lodge]

First time buying a conquest piece. There are two helmets available, one gives mastery one gives haste. If I catalyse it to the tier piece, do both conquest helms just transform to the same one item, or is there two catalysed helms (one with mastery one with haste)?

[warped gate]

Pre-popped defensives barely mattered.

[last jasper]

Transform into the same

[molten hedge]

I saw lvladen is playing Templar strikes now which is a melee ability

Got confussed

Melee??

[grizzled lodge]

So it doesn't matter which one we choose, right?

[potent pivot]

Platynator is the new wave

[last jasper]

I tried platynator. Not my cup of tea. I just don't understand is it bbp fcked up or blizz ui.

[outer sky]

Well you're like a cockroach at a tap dancing party in that lobby

[potent pivot]

Correct

[potent pivot]

U didn’t try a good profile I bet

[last jasper]

Yes. Tier set have it own stats.

[potent pivot]

_>

[warped gate]

Felt so damn helpless, I even had one round where I felt I did everything I was supposed to do correctly, survived a round of zugging, just for them to CC my healer and do it all over again and I flopped like Lebron Flair.

[rough rock]

is it that much better than bbp?

[vocal surge]

RIP

[molten hedge]

Deff easier to use by a long shot

[outer sky]

I can literally gauge how broken ret is based on his opinion of it. Like when they announced the last round of ret nerfs and he made a video about it he ended the video with "....but ultimately ret is still going to be decent" which basically means its going to still be at least 15% overtuned

[lime oar]

what u don’t like my profile?

[potent pivot]

Nope lol

[molten hedge]

It’s still very good lul

[outer sky]

Yeah like I said, if Lvladin says its fine, then its at least 15% overtuned. If he says its unplayable then it probably is actually fine

[lime oar]

personal preference eh. although if someone knows how i can filter fazed and wound poison off my tgt debuffs on platy that would be sick

[molten hedge]

Lmaooooooo

[last jasper]

I like it to be as close as possible to default ui. Pretty much using bbp for cp on enemy nameplates and spec icons on friendly

[potent pivot]

Ye you can do that with platy

[outer sky]

You can also do this for Boomies except its Supatease's opinion of it

[molten hedge]

Ya if he says it’s S or A it’s broken

[outer sky]

If he says its "strong" then it must be absolutely ass fucking busted LOL

[rough rock]

at least supa is mostly honest

and idk i feel like hes one of the only people that actually plays everything

[molten hedge]

100% 😭

[last jasper]

Yea, but cp looks ugly in platynator. Bbp just make it as it was before midnight. Idk why blizz even removed them. Is it so hard to add padding if u select cp on the target?

[rough rock]

meanwhile 90% of venrukis videos is him saying "dont know about these guys so A tier i guess"

[potent pivot]

You can change the look of the combo points

[outer sky]

Venruki's tier lists are notorious for being awful

[molten hedge]

“Outlaw is S tier bc I saw calm playing it”

[rough rock]

can you do colored names for friendly players like bbp?

[molten hedge]

In his last one lol

[potent pivot]

Yes

[rough rock]

hmm ill try it out

you got a config?

[potent pivot]

I’m at work rn

But yes

[last jasper]

Hmm. Maybe I'll give it another shot. I tried it before after u suggest it. But instantly removed when I saw cp implementation 🤣

[potent pivot]

Can give later

[potent pivot]

Ye the default points look weird I get it

[molten hedge]

I do like listening to when supa reads patch notes while I’m doing some shit and can’t read bc he reads it very fast. It’s playing at 2x speed on regular

[outer sky]

Venruki does this thing where he plays low rated shuffle as a spec he doesn't typically play, and then does really well with it and assumes it must be the spec being good and not just because its Venruki in a lobby full of 1600xp players. Then he makes a tier list video and claims the spec is S tier

[molten hedge]

He did that for assa. I watched him not kidney or stun the healer one time in 6 rounds, and he won somehow and said it was insane

[vocal surge]

Supatease got Outlaw on A tier

[last jasper]

👀

[last jasper]

Don't be so harsh. The guy needs views. He is a streamer after all

[molten hedge]

I support him by watching his vids

[outer sky]

Is this a tier list ranking how good something is for everyone who doesnt play as it??

[molten hedge]

I appreciate how him and supa always have content

[rough rock]

man i just really want a scrolling battle text addon

[severe helm]

its a tier list for how good it is to face that spec

[rough rock]

only thing i truely miss

[molten hedge]

It’s good for some ppl

[outer sky]

Yeah thats what I was thinking lol

[last jasper]

I like him more than supa. Supa loves to waffle a lot just to upload a vid

[vocal surge]

Dunno

[outer sky]

Can someone remind me

Does shadow dance proc premed?

Or only real stealth

[jaunty osprey]

yes

[molten hedge]

This doesn’t work for arena right

[jaunty osprey]

queuing assa 3s

just wore full pve gear

(235 ilvl)

and won with top dam

with pve gear lol

[outer sky]

Do you guys think for sub in BGs maybe badge is better than insignia? I'm thinking because, sub doesn't really teamfight. And badge lasts 15s on a 1m CD, so when you use it you have to wait 45s after the buff ends to get it again. But usually 45 seconds passes before you really need it again. Like before your base gets hit again or before you go to another base to try and ninja it. So like maybe having the buff guaranteed every time you need to kill a base sitter or whatever is better than having the higher uptime on the buff from insignia

[potent pivot]

Prolly

Very simple difference

In BGs sub is very touch and go as far as fighting

It’s not as pve as arena

[potent pivot]

That one I believe requires your team to all have it for it to work perfectly. The other one, Pete’s defensive something or other works in arena without your team having to have it

But it works off of partial guess work and can’t see any CDR

[spring bough]

why does no1 play objective on blitz

no1 stands in these carts all day its absolutely incredible to witness

[molten hedge]

Oh I didn’t see that one

[severe helm]

early season people are just bad

gotta get pretty high to get out of the weeds

[severe helm]

ooooooooooooh

[echo pewter]

hey guys, i noticed a lot of top rogues are playing orc again, did they buff their racial or something? or is there another reason?

[rough rock]

first bg

:D

[severe helm]

stuns are strong rn so people want the reduction

[rough rock]

should say my team my giga brained, amazing communication and even dropped flag when i asked for it lmao. "Let the outlaw travel the whole map drop it"

[potent pivot]

Nelf isn’t needed anymore

Sub never needed to be nelf

[echo pewter]

oh just assa? didnt know

[potent pivot]

Assa/outlaw damage isn’t tied to stealth anymore really

Assa can still use meld for a couple extra silences, that’s about it

[echo pewter]

orc sounds way easier to execute cause i dont have to do anything haha

[slate ingot]

what do buy first with conquest

[potent pivot]

Pins

[gilded gulch]

orc is just very plug and play friendly

it just works for anything

[mystic shoal]

dead game wtf

[rough rock]

lol mine were 25 min

now they are 8 min

[mystic shoal]

sheesh

what yall craftin for sub atm

[rough rock]

you get a game?

[mystic shoal]

HELL NO

ques cooked

[rough rock]

lmao i got one

5 min

[mystic shoal]

then again its 9:29 at night

what rating?

[rough rock]

1000 lol

[mystic shoal]

im 0 lmao

[lime oar]

are you saying that’s late?

[mystic shoal]

On a Sunday ya

[lime oar]

i must be a degenerate

[gilded gulch]

what cc length triggers adapt

again

[potent pivot]

Pins

[outer sky]

5s or more I think

[regal stream]

Any merit to using Rot (stacking DOT) Sigil over Void (Vers buff) for sub rogues so that we have SOME damage over time to tick on other stealthers?

Cuz the dot is like 63 damage, it is practically useless outside of needing SOMETHING to tick

[potent pivot]

Would just use arcanoweave

[earnest orbit]

What are you guys using to track BG frames now? BGE Fixed is out there, but are there any alternatives that restore the DR function?

[potent pivot]

No

[regal stream]

u right

[earnest orbit]

Damn, okay. Still just BGE then with most of it broken?

[potent pivot]

It’s not broken

[earnest orbit]

BGEF, I suppose

[potent pivot]

It’s fully working as intended

Blizzard fully killed the other functionalities on purpose

[earnest orbit]

I know, I meant broken as in "lost functionality," poor choice of word. I didn't know if an addon figured out a workaround and I missed it, I guess

Is there any way to track DR besides intuition?

[potent pivot]

Afaik a work around for that would be considered an exploit

[earnest orbit]

Gotcha, good to know then. Thanks!

[potent pivot]

@hybrid sapphire @outer sky @severe helm

[outer sky]

I just have em over enemy nameplates

[potent pivot]

this is target/focus frames

some people have been looking for it

good lord

[molten hedge]

I feel like I’ve seen 10 new or existing addons mentioned today. I can’t keep up lol

[potent pivot]

this is what happens when i go searching to see if there's new shit 😭

its been like everyday since season started, i find or someone mentions some new shit

[molten hedge]

What was the one for team cds that doesn’t require everyone to have it?

Pete’s something?

[potent pivot]

hang on

also

[molten hedge]

Ok

[potent pivot]

i just found arenacoach

and then saw moran tweeted about it too

[molten hedge]

Is that the SkillCapped addon

[potent pivot]

i have no idea

it doesn't have any skillcapped branding

it tells you what obvious things you did wrong

and i think combatlogs arenas

[molten hedge]

That’s p cool

“Died first in 75% of rounds”

That would be an issue bc it’s hard to kill someone when you’re dead first

Or so I’ve heard?

[potent pivot]

i've been updating the addon pin as well

as we find more useful shit

[waxen meteor]

this bliz matching is god damn iq < 5

3-0 open season

4th game into a 1320 mmr

????????????????????????

[mystic shoal]

goat Trickz

[mystic shoal]

what the fuck is this

and why do I want it

[gilded gulch]

how tf are people already 200 rounds of shuffle deep

[rough rock]

@vocal surge giving these sub rogues a run for their money

[vocal surge]

Be like that

[rough rock]

one of them kept coming to the base i was sitting with a dk and they both got rolled over and over lmao

[outer sky]

@potent pivot didn't you say you tested the mirage PvP talent for sub?

It doesnt work for me

if I have the distract reticle over a player

distract wont go off

when I have that talent selected

works on the training dummies

not on players

at least not on players in arena

[molten hedge]

they cant be in combat is one thing

kinda killed it for me

i think it could be ok in opener if a healer is behind a pillar and u sap so u can mirage back los and re sap or something

but it kinda sucks

[outer sky]

Oh so its actually useless

[proven field]

Does a real BGE exist still? I tried a new version but it doesnt' seem to work

[molten hedge]

yea if not for the combat thing itd be sick

W blizz pvp devs for awesome pvp talents

[proven field]

i want to believe it works

[rough rock]

im using it rn

[proven field]

holy shit when nerf MW... this dude just chain caps WSG running through our entire team, healing to full over and over, never being slowed, just... soaking 5 DPS' dmg

I think he stopped at one point to tie his shoes, painted a small self-portrait, then back to healing to full and tanking an entire team

[gilded gulch]

somehow i get an mw that goes 1-5

in a full melee lobby

with an hpal

[outer sky]

Good lord

My friend hit me up asking if I'd queue 2s with him on his fresh level 90 MW monk

to help him get 1600

we went 16-3

and stopped playing

we became the 2nd highest team queueing behind hansol

i thought that was going to be chill

every game is vs slunks, Nahj, Hansol

[rough rock]

I was questing and a que popped and i went into another zone and it counted that as deserting and didnt let me even try to get in before the gates opened

L game needed 1 more win for 1600 and it took away 300

[outer sky]

We beat Slunks and Dallas

[severe helm]

damn bro where are you finding all of these

also didnt the other one you linked also do this? dr tracker?

[vocal surge]

F

[final dew]

After about 85 arenas with randoms, i broke 1250 rating. Slowly getting better

[rough rock]

W

[severe helm]

I wonder how many years until blizz gives us a damage meter that works

[outer sky]

Its almost comical how useless it is

[severe helm]

they effectively didnt give us one

[outer sky]

Yep

[outer sky]

I think they may not want to. Because a meter as usable as details gives people enough information to flame other players with

And they probably just think its better to not have that

But they dont want to come out and say that

So they try and make it look like they're making a good faith effort

By giving us this useless trash that is the in game meter

[severe helm]

I have no teammates

nice bug lol

[outer sky]

Oh thats you

Youre in the same guild as me

[severe helm]

yeah I know sam lol

were both in empathy squad

[outer sky]

Chili?

[severe helm]

ye

[outer sky]

He bought a gun from me irl

From my store

[dark moon]

I played some 2s last night, ret sub

[outer sky]

Here i was having a good night and you had to go and bring up rets

[dark moon]

I know, i know, but my friend is a tank main in pve and decided to play some ret

He has 2 left hands, but still managed to win more than we lost. Ret offhealing is nasty

But i couldn't see a comp that wasn't bursty

Healing is just too much from healers and also their dmg needs to get nerfed

And what is even mw? One man army

Btw any view on how holy pally is performing?

Cause I want a pocket healer for my lock in 2s kek

[outer sky]

Hpal is good but every healing is being gapped by MW right now. And Tuesdays 8% nerf wont fix that

[dark moon]

Ugh

I wasn't sure how mw are healing atm , cause we faced couple pf mw ret mw ww comps and the monks were spamming all instants and topping themselves

Like no counter play to stop the healing apart from, yes, 2 cheapshots

[outer sky]

They need to reduce the base healing of conduit by an additional 10% on top of the 8% flat nerf. They need to either nerf healing fron Sheiluns Gift or make it delete their mana bar. They need to reduce their mana regen and in general and increase mana costs of all their buttons. And MOST IMPORTANTLY they need to put a pvp modifier on the talent Chrysalis and the hero talent Heart of the Jade Serpent so they dont have Cocoon up every single go like they do now.

[dark moon]

Is cocoon like 1 min cd

Or is it less?

[outer sky]

No its a 2m CD but they have all this bullshit now

[dark moon]

Ahahaha

I swear the stupidest shit is that kind of talents

[outer sky]

Chrysalis should be 30s reduced CD in PvP and Heart of the Jade serpent should be 50% faster cooldown rate in pvp not 75

Just put a 2/3rds pvp modifier on those 2 talents

They'll still have cocoon a lot

Just not EVERY go

[dark moon]

Or remove such talents and have a flat cd on big defensives like cocoon

[outer sky]

Doubt thatll happen. Gotta remember this is a pve game and we're just living in it

A pvp modifier is the simplest and most realistic fix

[outer sky]

The thing is, Sheiluns Gift has a pretty high chance to proc Heart of the Jade Serpent. And its also their best healing button thats not a cooldown. It heals for a ton, has no cooldown, and a modest mana cost. They can also instant cast it

So they press that button a lot

Which procs Heart of the Jade Serpent a lot

Like

If you have say 20s left on cocoon CD

And you know the enemy team is going to do a go soon

You can actually spam sheiluns gift

And fish for a heart proc

To get it back in time

[dark moon]

That's what he was healing himself with then

That's op

[outer sky]

Yeah no kidding. And this 8% flat healing nerf will do nothing to address it

[dark moon]

Well, i haven't played mw since bfa

I...I could have some fun then

Kekw

[stoic spruce]

Wow

Bfa

Yeah missed about a dozen seasons of being op

Never too late to start

[dark moon]

Well I have a rule about playing alts and its pretty simple - no matter how op it is, I only play it if I enjoy the rotation and how the gameplay feels

So I'll be checking some mw gameplay today and might end up leveling for some Insta queue shuffles

[outer sky]

I dont see how MW could possibly not be fun right now

Tons of short cooldowns

Lots of mobility

CC chains

And you can channel soothing mist while moving now

[stoic spruce]

You're bullshitting me

I've worked blue collar my whole life

So I know bullshit

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-wow-sarcastic-face-whatever-gif-14364504

[gusty hedge]

whats that W/L lookin like

[outer sky]

Huh?

[rough rock]

had some rough games ngl

got like 3 games with pve gear people

not fun

im honestly debating dropping supercharger for vanish heals

for blitz

[gusty hedge]

not bad tbo shit thought u were queing Solo shuffle im blind af

im prolly gonna que up blitz later in the day after work tey to get this extra charge, might just go with gdruid

[rough rock]

yeah im kinda just getting used to rotation and what not figured this would be easier for 1600

feels stupid that sub can heal and shield so damn much

but usally win the 1v1s against them anyways lol

[gusty hedge]

decent Cr gains per win? before it starts to give 20+?

sub king of 1v1 keep shitting on the fotm rerollers

[rough rock]

at 1500 it went to 50 ish

before was like 200 but lost like 5 in a row so i think that kinda ruined it

[gusty hedge]

nice nice i have some hope then

[rough rock]

dude its funny once i see dance i just stun and if i have no stuns i blind and grapple away till its out xD

they freak out

[outer sky]

I think thats a good idea. Super charger doesnt seem that great for outlaw because its tied to such a long CD. And its not even a burst CD like Kingsbane.

[rough rock]

yeah the blitz outlaw murlok page is all over the place

lotta people running cold blooded

not sure why

[outer sky]

Does outlaw have anything like "if X critically strikes it causes Y to happen"?

[rough rock]

even seen this like wtf

[rough rock]

bte refunds

[outer sky]

Could be why

[gusty hedge]

why would they run poison master as outlaw

[rough rock]

but like its kinda weird for outlaw

[rough rock]

no idea id take a look at some of the blitz builds xD

some of them are funny

[outer sky]

Whats ADR's actual CD usually after all the CDR? Maybe like 1.5m?

[rough rock]

id say so yeah

[gusty hedge]

something like that

[outer sky]

So every 1.5m ADR gives you 2 supercharged combo points

That sounds really bad

[gusty hedge]

this actually procs more than you would think. its decent have it on one of my rogues

[gusty hedge]

yup! woulda been nice if they kept it on rtb 45sec cd plus cdr.
thats why i joke about lowering adr cd to 20 sec or atleast 1 min

[rough rock]

do you think recuperator is even worth it

[outer sky]

Right but just because it procs doesnt mean it did anything. Because if the tooltip is correct then the extra 10% crit chance is only for the next finisher you use. Meaning, if you press a finisher with the cold blood proc, and it doesnt crit, then the proc is now gone and it did nothing. And whats more, even if it does crit, it may have anyway even without the cold blood buff

[gusty hedge]

yeah its something to sustain even at 1% every 3 secs, snd would be up all fight

[gusty hedge]

true i did not even think to check if it actually critt or not bad talent choice

[rough rock]

if gravedigger made it auto crit id say its cool

[outer sky]

It should be a stacking buff

Extra 10% chance to crit a finisher until you actually do crit with one

Then it resets

That would make way more sense

[rough rock]

id have to drop recup for extra vanish charge so idk just shit choices

otherwise i just have a heal every 3 min for 30% lmao

[rough rock]

i will say i do feel like i get a solid amount of crit refunds

so imma try it out and see

[outer sky]

Hey if youre winning with it then thats all that matters

[rough rock]

looks like a lot of these guys are running KS tho for blitz so might wanna give it a try again

guess the extra burst isnt a bad idea

with prep

[outer sky]

KS is a dps loss if you're playing fatebound

[gusty hedge]

if u wanna run double vanish drop SC aand anything in the CB tree

[rough rock]

youd have to drop recup or tea

to get extra vanish

[gusty hedge]

yup just keep blasting out dispatches and line up btw with 6 or more stored bullets for mini burst dispatch/auto attacks should be top damage

[gusty hedge]

drop recupe need tea

[rough rock]

its nerfed in pvp wtf

only does 15%

the vanish heal

[gusty hedge]

oof

[outer sky]

Oh yeah I forgot to tell you its nerfed in pvp

Now if you were playing sub, you'd get a shield for 18% of your max hp on top of that heal

Which actually makes it a pretty strong defensive

[severe helm]

Ngl I think you can drop tea as outlaw in blitz

Youre only really there for objectives

You want supercharger for at least the small chance to have some burst with a big zero in stacked bte

[outer sky]

Yeah probs not enough damage to be valuable in team fight

[severe helm]

And obv never drop deeper strat

Yeah nah outlaw is worthless in team fight

[outer sky]

Do you know why so many shuffle outlaws take this cold blood talent? It seems absolutely terrible

[severe helm]

Just there for a kidney

[severe helm]

Tbh 48 outlaws probably includes 1400 rated players

So there's a good chance it's just nonsense

But could be worth it idk

[outer sky]

Yesh true theyre probably lower rated than most bears

[severe helm]

I think people read crit chance and think good for outlaw

[rough rock]

lets goooooo

[outer sky]

Congrats!!

[rough rock]

Thanks, tomorrow ill do shuffles and test if i can hang lmao

[outer sky]

Want a spoiler?

[rough rock]

[outer sky]

Nah I'm jk. As trash as outlaw is its still probably viable enough to get glad

And its getting another buff on Tuesday

[rough rock]

anything to break my 2100 curse

[vocal surge]

BTE refunds are flat % chance

[outer sky]

Have you been 2100 before? I thought your max xp was 1900 as DH

[rough rock]

it was but the last month of the season i got to 2100 on sin

i was just always scared to play rogue because losing just feels like its 99% your fault

[outer sky]

Well not anymore unless youre sub

Assa and outlaw dont have enough tools for losing to be their fault anymore

[rough rock]

where tf they getting this enchant

[vocal surge]

AH

[rough rock]

is it called thalassian?

or is it a different name

dont see anything for "thalassian x" or "enchant leg"

im dumb i found it

[outer sky]

Oh god thats a terrible set bonus

Blade Rush should never do damage

[rough rock]

lmaooooo

yeah i imagine we will only run two set

unless stats are good idk

[outer sky]

I wouldnt even want to run that

If blade rush does decent damage that means you have to choose between using it for damage or mobility

I hate that kinda shit

[grizzled basin]

For assa : why are top players picking DTB over Zoldyck in shuffles when still running Sudden Demise ? It seems counter productive

[rough rock]

blade rush does chunk a small amount

not anything crazy

crazy for outlaw i guess haha

[vocal surge]

Blade Rush should be doing damage

[rough rock]

just realized the damage bonus of the 4 set would be 2.5% lol

[outer sky]

Because envenom does good damage so you want the talent right above dtb. Which means you could only get 1 point of Zoldyck anyway unless you dropped sudden demise. But sudden demise increases your bleed damage all the time. Zoldyck only increases it when the target is below 35% hp. So sudden demise is better since it always boosts your damage

[outer sky]

Having to press a mobility button for damage feels like shit

[vocal surge]

Having a mobility button that dealt less damage than shiv for 2 expansions straight is worse

[outer sky]

Idk i disagree. Becasue that meant you could think of it only as a mobility button.

If its damage is good now using it for mobility feels bad

[grizzled basin]

Thanks. So unsatisfying though as far as maxing out bleed dmgto proc SD is concerned

[vocal surge]

It was so bad for the last 2 expacs infact

no one picked it up

Not in PvE, not in PvP

If you wanted mobility, you were better off with Death from Above in PvP

[grizzled basin]

For a player who don't have as much time as before, what's the best way to keep up with the PvP meta (on top of ready whats going on here) ?

[outer sky]

Yeah we take it for the +10% bleed damage not for the execute. If the execute procs thats just extra

[grizzled basin]

Got it, too bad b/c the execute part used to be worth it, it seems.

[mint flame]

What are yall taking for embellishments on sub? Saw nah took the hunt and crafted both weapons. Seems wild when we get free weps in 2 weeks

[outer sky]

Nobody knows for sure yet what is best but the safest bet right now is to craft gear with the arcanoweave embellishment. Its a primary stat boost proc.

[mint flame]

Gotcha, so not worth crafting weapons since we get free soon right

[outer sky]

You can craft an honor ilvl weapon if you want better stats but its not worth crafting a conquest ilvl weapon yet for the reason you said

[hybrid palm]

i straight up looted a socket item from the chest (not the component heliotropes)

[gusty hedge]

no one picked it up because u had to choose if u wanted this talent or that talent. and if u chose blade tish you'd lose out on ghostly or that rtb talent, wasnt worth. Ive ran blade rush every xpac they had it until tww

[gusty hedge]

i know im running 2 set on most of rogues and trying 4 set on like 1 or two, that tier set should be nerfed in pvp too so not really worth imo id rather have better stats in those 2 gear spots, this is why i like have multi rogues. Alot of different combinations u can play with and still be viable.
I still need to go full eng gear on one rogue just to see head bracers feet

[indigo scarab]

guys!!

does pvp gear (the one that scales to higher ilvl in BGs/arenas/warmode) also scale in duels, or does it stay at PvE ilvl?

[lime oar]

duals as well

[crisp imp]

@potent pivot is there gonna be an update on the thread for season1 week2? 🙂

[regal stream]

Is theif's bargain as bad of a pvp talent as it sounds?

damage reduction during shadowblades sounds like poop, even if it doesnt matter during vanish

I feint A LOT as well

[static osprey]

hey I have a struggle right now with the stats desired for sub rogue. Has the Versa > Mastery > w/e else changed in midnight?

[gusty hedge]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[static osprey]

Thank you. Seen few rogues at Murlok stacking mastery q_q

[vague latch]

pull up to the function in your jammies

[static osprey]

721 haste, let's stop there :p

[potent pivot]

Idk, the importance of what to do falls off hard

The boring answer is prolly gonna be to buy gloves to turn into tier later or something too

[potent pivot]

Just searching around. And idk

[dark moon]

i respect such shitmogs

especially if you teabag people with that mog

[calm vortex]

where do i get this itemfor pvp Venom Casks of the Grim Jest?

[potent pivot]

you have to catalyze conquest gear

like stated in the gear faq

[calm vortex]

ah i didnt know that the stats change aswell, thats why i wonder

so we dont want chest as set item cuz its give crit, but we do buy epic chest at the end?

[potent pivot]

its not that i tested it no, just fucked around with it. it is kinda useful in some situations though yes

[potent pivot]

eventually yeah

but getting 4set is kinda the priority over everything else atm

[calm vortex]

yea thats what im doing, waiting for the vault

[vague latch]

ye wobble on em a few times

[spring bough]

Not gonna lie thought this was a Warcraft arena map for a second 😂

Would yall play on a solo shuffle map if it was like this? 😂

[hardy prairie]

If I was put back into SR I'd scream

[potent pivot]

unironically a moba style game mode could go hard in wow idunnoo

[hidden mirage]

originally it was.

[hardy prairie]

Yeah, they wanted Azhara to be the moba zone, they scrapped it early in development bcs it was bad lmao

And based in HotS I do not trust blizz with a moba

[potent pivot]

we were already halfway there with the uhhh

plunderstorm

[hardy prairie]

That's fortnite

[potent pivot]

just have to add some objectives to it

i wonder what they're planning for events this expansion

i highly doubt they will ever make WoD remix

[spring bough]

When was this lol

Would be so fun to hunt a dps down LOS from a healer on that map 😂

[hidden mirage]

if they added cut content like Farahlon, then yeah, but otherwise it would not make much sense.

[potent pivot]

Idk if there’s any other remixes they can do tbh

Mop and legion were the main expansions that were remembered in a mostly good light

[spring bough]

Imagine every 20-30 seconds it teleported you around the map. I’d honestly get a kick out of that lol

[potent pivot]

Anything before/after those 2 doesn’t make sense

[spring bough]

But I already know people would be like “I lost cause of rng”

[potent pivot]

Aoe specs would dominate lanes 💀

[proven field]

You guys know this existed already once before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUL1U3aEAjM

Listening to Grubby talk while playing feels like he is speaking another language

[dark kernel]

After getting some more games in, I really enjoy highmnt for rogue

[vocal surge]

Whats your guy's favorite RTS youtuber?

[dark kernel]

The bullrush is actually low-key clutch mobility

[dark kernel]

WheenCheeseFails

[vocal surge]

For me, its a toss up between Giant Grant Games and UThermal

[proven field]

I don't know if there is an expansion that could take a remix and be amazing... MOP and Legion were kind of the goats. I would rather another SoD or true Classic+ experience (Turtle WoW for example is actually kind of amazing)

[vocal surge]

BFA has potential to be a good remix expac

[spring bough]

I’d play SOD again 100%

[proven field]

Could be awesome if they lent in a bit more into the “what if” aspect as well… something like “what if we didn’t stop arthas” and there is snow and zombies and forsaken everywhere, bunch of heroes turn, you could have cool stuff like Blackrock mountain becoming a neutral ground because it’s a bastion now, stuff like that

[spring bough]

Sounds like a classic + is coming…. As long as rogue combo points are on player and not target I’m so in

[spring bough]

Holy shit could actually get a group for war fronts

[proven field]

Have you tried turtle wow?

[spring bough]

Nah haven’t checked it out

[proven field]

it's pretty crazy how well they built a realistic "let's just extend vanilla instead of make TBC" game

[hollow yoke]

At the same time I want a wrath remix so bad

But also would despise it

[proven field]

tons of new/improved talents, new zones, new dungeons and raids, structured ranked PVP, bonkers stuff all seamlessly integrated

[spring bough]

I bet when blizz does classic + it’ll be all of this and turtle wow will get hit with a lawsuit lmao

[vocal surge]

How's the new tier sets lookin' like?

[hollow yoke]

Weren't they already hit with one

😭

[proven field]

Already happened lol, they filed suit in like sept last year

[proven field]

I havent had a chance to play in a few months, took a break when retail prepatch hit... I have a 50-something warrior hanging out in Gilneas City waiting to run again

[hollow yoke]

Looking from the pov of a company makes total sense to hit em with a lawsuit

But still annoying

[vocal surge]

Ah

[proven field]

I mean, Twow team did such a good job - like you literally cannot tell where blizz wow ends and twow begins - they should have just hired them all to port TWoW into classic+

it will be super hard for the C+ team to not base their inspiration off Twow

[vocal surge]

Yee

I wonder how they'll handle Classic+

Will we have the SoD Rune system + Classic Talent System

or just normal reskin Classic

[proven field]

I hope it's literally that fork in the road... "what if TBC didn't come out, what would we have done instead to keep the story going"

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Cause I love SoD's talent system

working with the runes

So much build variety on Rogue

not much on other specs

But on rogue? So many build options

[spring bough]

Bleeds with sin/combat swords 🔥

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Sub Assa

[vocal surge]

wanna hear my abomination of a build imma run?

[spring bough]

Are you still playing sod? lol

[vocal surge]

Ye

3p Zandalar Madcap
2p T3.5
2p T3
3p Veiled Shadow
4p Bloodfang Draconic DPS
(Shoulder Rune) 4p Nightslayer
Assa/Combat Backstab

before stepping foot into SE

[spring bough]

Sounds disgusting lol

[vocal surge]

almost 10k DPS

[dark kernel]

SoD was so cool

I played it and loved it and then had to split time so I canned it

[gleaming sentinel]

i want to play a tank rogue

[dark kernel]

Im sorry friend.

[spring bough]

People still run raids on sod

[dark kernel]

I don't think they ever even fixed tank rogue in SoD I think it was completely unviable start to finish

[dark kernel]

My server has literally zero people online

Maybe they'll add free transfers or merge them

[gleaming sentinel]

they say that about outlaw in retail, and i am having fun

but ye

[dark kernel]

I know what you mean. But the Rogue tanking ended up a lot worse than Outlaw retail

You have like no AOE threat at all

I don't know. I literally never ever saw a single Rogue tank

Tried it once for a dungeon and it was awful

[spring bough]

I think they fixed it with a tier bonus making shurniken spammable

[dark kernel]

Well that's at least something.

[topaz delta]

what stats should I be aiming for, with just honor gear, for sub rogue? is there a certain haste breakpoint I need to hit?

[outer sky]

600-700 haste

in pvp

then start stacking mastery

[mint flame]

are we goingto go 4p?

[topaz delta]

❤️

dang, only 508 in pvp

[outer sky]

as sub? Yes

[mint flame]

just been seeing some people craft chestpiece was confused how come

[outer sky]

chest is the one tier slot we dont use

our 4 piece is head, shoulders, hands, legs

[mint flame]

Oh I read the stats wrong lol my b, thank you.

[spring bough]

https://x.com/shobektv/status/2036130623585206459?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

SHOBEK (@Shobektv)

retails pretty bankaii ^.^

X · Mar 23, 2026, 5:19 PM

@potent pivot galactic illusion on legion TF

Absolutely insane

Gotta be top 5 PvP illusion of all time

[gleaming sentinel]

Number 1 player in shuffle is a Prot palqdin

[finite hinge]

is it an impression or

are ranking gains slower this season?

i remember that going to 1k points was like, not that many wins

[spring bough]

[spring bough]

For solo cause of mmr reset yeah. Blitz feels the fastest so far

[outer sky]

lmfao maybe this aint so bad after all

assa

granted these players were all absolutely horrible

like unbelieveably bad

[wise breach]

It's not just the MMR reset, shuffle MMR seems capped in some way

Only 10 people above 2100 a week into the season is insane

[spring bough]

Meanwhile blood DK has two people over 2400 in blitz💀

[regal stream]

Oh.... I messed that up in that case

I've got 34 haste because I have been trying to hard to max mastery/vers

Infact, I was about to start grabbing more crit because in BGs and arenas my mastery was going all the way up to like 46% and I know it has diminishing returns

[outer sky]

is this as sub?

[regal stream]

yeah

[outer sky]

then yeah you fucked up

[regal stream]

:x

It's not too late, I gotta replace everything with conquest gear anyway

[outer sky]

ye true

[regal stream]

and have 4 vers gems I can replace

I really like seeing 90k crits though

I blame Icy Veins, I shoulda just been in this discord when I came back to my rogue for pvp

They generalize everything

[outer sky]

The Icey Veins rogue guide is written by a Mistweaver Monk who has no idea what's going on

[regal stream]

That explains a lot. It makes since if the PVP you are aiming for is focused on like... one shotting people in world pvp I guess.

And it was doing me good in BGs, but now that I am trying to do my arenas quest I am starting to see the problem.

[regal stream]

but wait, I only have 315 mastery and 178 crit. I would need EVERY non versatility option to be haste over crit and mastery to have 700, wouldn't I?

[outer sky]

no

You still get to use some non haste pieces

its 6-700 in pvp

when youre scaled up

@jaunty osprey you around?

[jaunty osprey]

Hello

[outer sky]

My feelycraft is telling me that 2 points in Zoldycks is better than DTB and Inspiring Strike

Why is that wrong

[jaunty osprey]

Well it isn’t, Zoldycks and Dashing are good

It depends on what you’re trying to accomplish

[outer sky]

I'm trying to global people

[jaunty osprey]

You can’t want “one shots” aka DM -> KB -> Envenom

and not play 4 poisons

[outer sky]

why? Amp that good?

[jaunty osprey]

Yes, it buffs your envenom by a considerable amount.

You would drop Sudden Demise and Scent of Blood in that case

[outer sky]

So I was thinking keep Sudden Demise because Zoldycks helps it proc

[jaunty osprey]

Yes, but you can’t take every talent in the world

Which is why I have 3 builds for different scenarios/matchups

It’s what you’re trying to accomplish during certain matchups

Where you’d change builds

[outer sky]

So you think this is the build to global people with?

[jaunty osprey]

No

You need dashing

No scent of blood

[outer sky]

Why? for energy?

Dashing and DTB seem kind of at odds

[jaunty osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069679063184179242/1482595881004961822/image.png?ex=69c2bb43&is=69c169c3&hm=7b48378d43bf70ba6fa2dad134a2a0f3e5fa01be0c836f315b72c3a132416a67&

Dashing returns more energy than Venomous wounds

[outer sky]

Even with DTB?

[static holly]

What did I miss? Why sin? I mean I would appreciate it if it is back 😱

[jaunty osprey]

Especially with DTB

you have more poison hits

[outer sky]

No nothing changed I'm just trying shit

[outer sky]

It says it reduces their application chance by 30%

[static holly]

Don't play with my feelings 😭

[jaunty osprey]

Yes, it does that in PVE too

But do you ever have any issues with poison application?

Whoever I’m hitting has max Wound stacks and Amp

[outer sky]

I was playing some games earlier with no zoldycks or dashing and energy didnt feel like an issue

this spec tree is so fucked

[jaunty osprey]

Let me put it this way

[outer sky]

Ok so this is the one tap build

[jaunty osprey]

if you’re facing melee caster, the above build is probably best

If you’re facing 2x melee, drop dtb for sudden demise

[outer sky]

[outer sky]

Drop DTB, Inspiring Strike, and Dashing I assume?

[jaunty osprey]

No matter what, rupture and garrote are still 80% if your damage

I’ll link, sec

[outer sky]

Regicide is good?

[jaunty osprey]

No where else to put the point

that would be more impactful with the build

[regal stream]

Would my oops all mastery build work better if assasination came back? 😂

[outer sky]

Yes

[regal stream]

Maybe I should just get ahead of the curve and start trying to make bleed build work instead of re-doing all of my stats

[proper vortex]

You can change stats ez now with honor gear or 1-2 bloody token pieces

[regal stream]

I need to go from 48 haste to 700...

[proper vortex]

yeah then crafted gear also haha

[regal stream]

I actually wouldnt be butt hurt about it at all if I didnt have 4 conquest pieces

[outer sky]

600 is fine

[regal stream]

I can atleast recraft my engi headpiece, that is like 150 haste right off the bat

[static holly]

What rating is currently fine as casual in shuffle. Not sure if I should be ashamed or not 🤣
Still need more practice on sub and new bindings 🫤

[jaunty osprey]

The rating doesn’t matter. People learn at different paces

[safe mural]

Whut, u can one shot with Assa spec ?

I miss something ?

[outer sky]

Kind of

Deathmark>kingsbane>envenom with amp poison is pretty big burst

[safe mural]

I never play assa

It’s First Time I see « good » thing about

[outer sky]

It was really good all of last xpac

And even in S4 dragonflight

[safe mural]

Im going to try, what is ur rotation ?

[outer sky]

But as of right now youre not missing out on much. Theres no reason to play assa (or outlaw) right now over a warrior unless theyre doing more damage

[outer sky]

You just maintain garrote and rupture dots. Build combo points with mutilate if you can only hit 1 target, then fan of knives if you can hit 2+. Then you spend the combo points on rupture, or if rupture is already up, envenom

Then the burst rotation is deathmark>kingsbane>envenom

Deathmark is a 2m CD and Kingsbane is 1m so you can do a kingsbane<envenom in between deathmarks

[outer sky]

Its getting a flat 4% buff tomorrow too

Which doesnt sound like much but its damage is already pretty good

[hidden moth]

ight

apparently devour is just dog shit in pvp

personally feel like it does 0 dps

[outer sky]

Idk about that but it definitely seems a bit lacking

Ok

Enough is enough

https://check-pvp.com/solo

#1 rank in shuffle is a tank

This needs an emergency hotfix

[proper vortex]

Or other specs should just git gud

[hidden moth]

2100

#1 dev is

1900

kekw

[outer sky]

#1 is #1

They need to just nuke this. Make it so you cant queue an arena as a tank

Then we dont even have to worry about it

[proper vortex]

I even hate tanks in blitz

[outer sky]

Same

[proper vortex]

Useless on my team and boring on enemy team haha

[outer sky]

Like just get rid of em

Its a pve role

[hidden moth]

i just

die to a rapid fire

from full

wtfg

[proper vortex]

No insta aimed shot in between? They can crit with 130k

[hidden moth]

idk

all i know is a hunter walked up shot a rapid fire or what looked to be just a rapid fire and i was dead

276 pvp ilvl btw

devourer just feels undertuned

[proper vortex]

uff but i mean we can do the same. we just dont throw our damage

[hidden moth]

not playing rouge on dh

but dh pvp cord is

how to put this...

full of dumb fat chuds

[proper vortex]

dh gameplay draws the attention of some special kind

[hidden moth]

alsol holy fuck

the lua errors that bug grabber is feeding off about "nameplates" when i dont have a nameplate addon

is wild

unless its big debuffs

[proper vortex]

Probably other addons trying to use the nameplates

[hidden moth]

also how tf do i turn on

dr tracking

bc diminish doesnt work blizz said they were going to add a dr tracker and i dont see it

https://tenor.com/view/joker-electric-car-gif-21193957

[proper vortex]

Addon: MidnightDR

[hidden moth]

cool

[proper vortex]

I got told yesterday, works good so far

[hidden moth]

so

i have to GET AN ADDON TO FIX THEIR FUCKING GAME AFTER THEY BROKE THE LAST ADDON THAT FIXED THEIR FUCKING GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE

dunno why i even bothered trying midnight again, going back to classic GG

[fading yacht]

What items should I craft first for PvP sub rogue?

[hidden moth]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[fading yacht]

Thanks!

[spring bough]

You aren’t doing it right baby I’m top dmg most rounds

[severe helm]

devourer is kinda funky

I see it pump really hard

but lose so many rounds

idk if its just people not being used to how it plays yet

so they arent properly like pushing for actual goes

[harsh kiln]

for me it was bigdebuffs

[severe helm]

or if the spec has too much ramp/setup to actually do both at the same time idk

[severe helm]

enjoy doing this every couple weeks for the entire season

welcome to midnight

[outer sky]

If only we had 20 years to get our addons and UIs all sorted out

[severe helm]

🙂

nah this is better

game is so much more improved

[molten hedge]

Someone told me that ones buggy and MyDRs is better

[spring bough]

So I figured out the hack to it

2x reap charge talent. Drop collapsing star talents and the last apex talent to pickup some more dmg talents in the tree. Then do the +50 souls for 10% more dmg in meta form. It’s just a constant reap, insta consume rinse repeat throw in some void ray. Then the second you get to demon form. Devour(consume) is doing 80-110k and it’s instant cast after every reap

Surviving is the challenge

But in 12.0.5 soul immo will heal for 24% of Devourer hp and have 2 charges on 30s cooldown… can’t wait

[glad zinc]

did anyone ever figured out if its worth doing that apex optimization thing in the pve channel for pvp?

[dark kernel]

Lots of leather classes seem very squishy this season

[light apex]

Hey guys, any of you do solo shuffle? Barely played it but cant be arsed to really try it with those waiting times compared to 2s

[dark kernel]

Pretty much everybody here does an assortment of PVP

The shuffle queue time is really not that bad right now. All of mine were about 8 minutes last night

Blitz was pretty much instant

[light apex]

blitz didnt try hadnt played since shadowlands ended but 2s are still instant

[potent pivot]

pretty sure kalvish misunderstands the pve optimization. you don't gain anything crazy from doing it, so it doesn't really matter if you do or don't tbh

[severe helm]

I have not had this experience lol

[dark kernel]

You already at like 2k I assume tho

[potent pivot]

ehh

[molten hedge]

Isn’t the difference that you get more clones since you’re effectively using more builders

[marsh laurel]

How we get the second token for 2nd piece of Set?

[molten hedge]

1600 in any bracket

It’ll go in your bags

[potent pivot]

the difference is you "force" the combo point proc, which just doesn't really matter because it would come anyway

especially when running haste

[molten hedge]

Yeah I’ve done it. You just don’t press 2 finishers in a row. But every builder sends clones instead of rng. It does seem like more dam but could be just how it feels

Sometimes I get a lot of the procs. Sometimes I don’t

When not doing kalv’s “exploit” 🤣

[potent pivot]

i can say with some certainty that its not worth doing when playing haste

because you'll just swim in procs no matter what

what i don't think kalv gets is that finishers should also be proc'ing the 1st apex

[molten hedge]

It almost messes you up bc it doesn’t feel natural lol

Does starting a dance with 5 shadow techniques still have benefits even if you dont do the proc thing

[outer sky]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/arms-warrior-buffs-and-guardian-druid-nerfs-more-last-minute-class-tuning-380923?utm_source=discord-webhook

tuning

[potent pivot]

why cliffhanger us

state that sub was left alone !

[potent pivot]

i think you just pool some tech stacks right beforehand, no set amount

the pve optimizations have been changing a lot in the last week or two

i don't even think they do the double builder shit anymore ?

[severe helm]

Nah even on my fresh DPS it was like 15 mins

I gave up

Only healing now

[dark kernel]

Ruff

[severe helm]

Ain't got time to jump in circles in silvermoon

[crisp imp]

So Wait Whats the play?
U don’t use finishers twice when u get the procc- you always Ss/finisher in Dance?
Just wanna make sure I get this

[spring bough]

Damn sub skating by again smh

[molten hedge]

Supposedly not worth so don’t worry

[crisp imp]

Whats not worth now

[potent pivot]

ignore what we're talking about entirely

yes you consume combo point procs by using back to back finishers

[molten hedge]

The play is strike evis strike evis strike evis 🤣

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

It’s middle of the pack in shuffle rep now. Buff sub.

[crisp imp]

Alright!

[spring bough]

[gilded gulch]

sub is great until you get the warrior lobbies

where you just see half dr stuns

during afk time

[outer sky]

Amazing how many nerfs we keep dodging

[potent pivot]

well they're mostly buffing underperformers so

can't complain tbh

[gleaming sentinel]

remember everyone thought sub was gonna be bad because of hast

lots of people*

[outer sky]

This is what they should be doing

[rough rock]

pish posh buffs

[hot veldt]

what poison for assass in pvp? wound crippling? or do we use deadly or amplifying

[potent pivot]

wound crippling or amp/wound/crippling/numbing with dtb

[hot veldt]

ty

[broken jewel]

Is there mmr for random bgs

hidden mmr i mean. cus horde always undergeared afff fr fr my homies , no joke. meanwhile ally farming honor levels zzz boooring

rarely i get fully geared ppl with randoms. (Eu servers)

[gilded gulch]

no but alli generally better

[broken jewel]

why?

[gilded gulch]

better racials

[broken jewel]

I'm so mad at these casuals but won't type anything cause u get muted rly easily. Without even saying the r or i words

[gilded gulch]

promoted a shift psure

[broken jewel]

factually incorrect. Orcs, highmountain, undead for priests

[gilded gulch]

nope orc is the only really notable horde race

[broken jewel]

Could you elaborate pls? What does this mean

[gilded gulch]

because stun reduc is good

most of the top end went alli

again

and orcs are kind of fugly anyway

[broken jewel]

Yes, i agree. But u can play crossfaction , in any bracket

[gilded gulch]

yeah not bgs

orc is still the only good horde race

most of the highend priests play nelf

[broken jewel]

I beg your finest pardon. Orc rogues look so beefy, like watching urself in the mirror after working out for 6 months.

[gilded gulch]

Yeah but you're a rogue not a warrior

either way orc got tuned down from 20% stun reduction so its not grossly op anymore

[broken jewel]

I'm a rogue who does 100 push-ups/day kek

i know i know

[gilded gulch]

idk people just shifted over to alli

happened around the same time as crossfaction pre sure

[broken jewel]

Very sadge. Horde's dead pvp wise even tho orc, hm, undead r very competitive talking r1, awc viable

[gilded gulch]

undead isnt that crazy

it puts your medallion on a cd

[broken jewel]

And the result are just ultra casuals , undergeared af, getting 2 shot, probably being miserable , hating the experience and quitting. Because bobby hardstuck 1800 googled , and rerolled ally. Oh boy oh boy he sure needs shadowmeld at that 1800 xd

[gilded gulch]

i mean alli races also just look better

most people just felt stuck on horde due to pve

[molten hedge]

Undeads super good in a meta with a lot of locks tbf

[broken jewel]

It's rly good in 3v3 where dampening isn't so rampant, especially for rmp mirrors or godcomp, or shatter etc.

[gilded gulch]

Yeah they're only good when more fear breaks is essential

rmp its better to have orc