the two dr thing was good
#pvp
severe helm
but shortening drs
was such a mistake
holy shit
the game plays so bad now haha
also has anyone else been having bugs with the settings for their addons randomly resetting
potent pivot
thats crazy feels like the opposite to me
severe helm
im using the new one
severe helm
the one you told me to get last time
potent pivot
arena core ?
outer sky
the two dr thing was good
Ironically I feel like that 3rd DR made people sit less CC. Its all feels, but it seems like getting CCd for the 3rd time was such a short duration that it didnt matter that much when it happened and when it did happen you'd be in CC for like 1s and the DR timer would reset and start ticking again. So that 3rd DR actually extended the time before you can be fully CCd again and it did it without putting you in CC for very long. Idk if im making any sense
potent pivot
or gladius updated by sammers
cuz just recently gladius is gone
like as of 2 days ago
i tell ppl a lot of things so idr what i told u
severe helm
Ironically I feel like that 3rd DR made people sit less CC. Its all feels, but i...
its more total
mathematically
though
by a lot
and gladius reset again
ugh
yeah im using updated by sammers
severe helm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
outer sky
its more total
Yeah but like when there were 3 DRs you could be half way to being off DR then CCd again by that same school for 1 second and then now you can't be fully CCd again for another 18s
outer sky
Shit like that
severe helm
they dont belong there
potent pivot
bodify got sammers banned from curse
severe helm
genuinely
its the same shit
over and over
bad decision after bad decision
no wonder the games dying
potent pivot
no wonder the games dying
severe helm
no one else to blame
outer sky
I hope the person who decided to cause this
You mean this whole addon mess?
potent pivot
You mean this whole addon mess?
btw
maybe if every other class also had 7 blink stuns they'd stop crying
thoughts ?
severe helm
You mean this whole addon mess?
yeah bro
outer sky
maybe if every other class also had 7 blink stuns they'd stop crying
I think they'd still cry
severe helm
they failed
SO HARD
at their goal
they wasted MILLIONS of dollars of dev money
tons of player time
fucked the community in the ass
all for nothing
outer sky
all for nothing
Yeah my UI is basically back to what it was before. I even have the functionality of all my old addons and weakauras. The only thing im missing is omnibar, omnicd, and a dps meter worth a damn
potent pivot
icon switching tech for personal DRs
before icon switching tech in any arena frame addon ?
crazy
severe helm
Yeah my UI is basically back to what it was before. I even have the functionalit...
literaly fat waste of time
severe helm
just a bunch of fragile uis that will probably break the next patch
and start the cycle over
gilded gulch
well weakauras could do some work the dev just didnt want to
comply with blizz's restrictions
severe helm
good for them
honestly
blizzard deserves no respect from addon developers
at this point
outer sky
thoughts ?
Idk how long you've been playing this game but I remember you saying you didnt play back in legion so in case youre unaware, let me share a little something with you.
This horse shit has been going on forever. Ya know how theyre saying shit like "the reason everybody hates sub rogues is because they can stun you every single DR"? Well guess what. Thats nothing new.
It used to be "the reason everyone hates rogues is because...." and then kidney every DR, or 7s kidney, or blind>sap, or being able to fully DR cheap shot the entire team. At some point every single one of those was "the reason everyone hates rogues" and if we just nerfed THAT then they'd be fine. But theyre never satisfied. If they nerfed Shot in the Dark tomorrow and we all rerolled assa, guess what? The reason "everybody hates rogues" will be garrote silence and thatll have to be gutted too.
These people remind me of these dumbass liberal politicians. "We dont want to take ALL your guns. Just THAT kind of gun. Then we'll stop. We promise!" But they never stop. Thats why you dont give them an inch. They wont just take a mile, they'll take ten. These rogue haters are the exact same way. Dont think theyre not.
Sorry for the rant.
outer sky
maybe cuz that sucks to play against
Apparently they were
severe helm
what makes that apparent
havent seen anyone complain about facing an outlaw yet this patch
maybe cuz they have less stuns than a warrior now lol
outer sky
The fact that once they got what they were asking for they didnt think it was actually fine the way they said they would
outer sky
havent seen anyone complain about facing an outlaw yet this patch
Sure because that would involve fighting one
outer sky
people were asking for more stuns?
No. I could go down a list, as I did, of all the things people said "rogues would be fine if we just nerfed X. This is why everybody hates rogues." But then X gets nerfed and theyre onto something else
So they mustve been wrong
severe helm
what got nerfed
sub got more stuns than tww
no shit everyone hates them
like duh?
outer sky
what got nerfed
Garrote silence, kidney, blind, sap, cheap shot?
Are you new around here?
severe helm
yeah people arent complaining about outlaw and assa
have you been playing?
they hate sub
it has more cc than in tww
outer sky
yeah people arent complaining about outlaw and assa
Because theyre not fighting them
severe helm
like whats confusing
sub got buffed
it got given more damage and more cc
more cooldowns
more goes
outer sky
sub got buffed
If you played long enough you'd know this has happened before
severe helm
and why would people not hate that
outer sky
Its a rerun for me
severe helm
im so confused whats the point here
people are happy when sub sucks
sub is a hated spec
outer sky
Yeah so fuck them lol
outer sky
People*
outer sky
You totally missed the point as usual
severe helm
you just didnt make one lol
severe helm
sub got buffed people are mad
outer sky
sub got buffed people are mad
They've been mad at it before
severe helm
not sure how this is "what people asked for"
outer sky
Theyre only not mad at it when its not played
outer sky
not sure how this is "what people asked for"
Strawman
severe helm
they always think theyre weak
severe helm
They are
yes yes sorry
buff sub!
im pretty sure I saw someone survive a kidney with pain sup up
which tbh
is unfair
if someone gets kidneyed
and doesnt have trinket
they should always die
100% of the time
against sub
potent pivot
Meowth
outer sky
When Assa is meta they complain about it too
severe helm
buff sub buff sub!
potent pivot
Are you rly gonna tell me sub isn’t normally dog shit?
severe helm
subs awful right now
potent pivot
Doing healer overall dps
severe helm
literally
potent pivot
You’re coping
severe helm
what are you seriously trying to say subs good right now
thats insane
all you have to do is cc them on their go
they suck
tbh dance should be like null shroud
outer sky
literally
What makes you think theyre going to stop whining if we nerf * this * thing? When all the other things they said would make rogues fine if they got nerfed didnt shut them up when they got nerfed?
potent pivot
Name me the last season sub was good all season in the last…. 5? Years
severe helm
What makes you think theyre going to stop whining if we nerf * this * thing? Whe...
were people complaining about sub as much in tww as they are now?
im confused
severe helm
Name me the last season sub was good all season in the last…. 5? Years
never ofc
subs never been good not even now
its finally balanced
maybe high C tier
and everyone loses their mind!
its ridiculous
potent pivot
were people complaining about sub as much in tww as they are now?
Week 1 of s1? Yeah lmao iirc
outer sky
were people complaining about sub as much in tww as they are now?
They were complaining about assa LOL you dont bitch about things you dont fight very often. But when sub has been good before the midnight rework people whined like crazy. Whatever the best rogue spec is always makes people cry like how dense lmfao
severe helm
Week 1 of s1? Yeah lmao iirc
well thats ridiculous cuz sub hasnt been good in at least 5 years
potent pivot
well thats ridiculous cuz sub hasnt been good in at least 5 years
I said all season
Stop trolling around its unbecoming
outer sky
I said all season
If he could answer that he would have by now
stoic spruce
You see Mewo, obviously only one spec is good at a time
severe helm
I think sub was good in DF
I didnt pvp in tww
sub was good every season of SL
at least two seasons in DF iirc
outer sky
sub was good every season of SL
And people bitched like crazy
severe helm
I think sub has been meta more seasons than the other two rogues specs have
tbh
out of the last 3 xpacs
sub has the most meta seasons of the 3
potent pivot
Cap
potent pivot
LOL COPE
potent pivot
And s2 of sl
severe helm
nah that was sub still
sub rmp was the only thing played
was too broken
there were like 1 or 2 outlaw teams
at most
SL was like giga sub xpac
stoic spruce
Didn't outlaw rmp win last AWC?
severe helm
in tww s3?
outer sky
Yes
stoic spruce
in tww s3?
Yeah
potent pivot
Hahahahaha
stoic spruce
No I'm just asking
severe helm
yeah im just making a point
outer sky
No I'm just asking
Yes it did
severe helm
people love to throw awc
but like
ret hasnt won awc in a long time
and its not like ret is bad
awc is a very very different version of the game than ladder
outer sky
yeah im just making a point
The funny part is youre actually not lol
stoic spruce
I can't stand the AWC shit lol
severe helm
counterpicks and map picks change the game a lot
severe helm
The funny part is youre actually not lol
its just going over your head 😉
uno reversed
outer sky
its just going over your head 😉
If thats what you want to tell yourself
severe helm
no thats what you told me lol
severe helm
Yeah but picking a different spec of an all dps class for comp
wait wdym
potent pivot
I’m saying they easily could’ve chose sub over outlaw for that awc win if it was good enough
severe helm
I mean whaaaz picks sub in awc all the time
even when its bad
but im not dumb enough to use that as an example
of sub being op
cuz its just not relevant
potent pivot
Yeah ok bud
potent pivot
Yeah ok bud
severe helm
we all know it
potent pivot
You won’t be happy til sub is once again a stun bot and only played at r1 levels
I get you
It’s all good
severe helm
You won’t be happy til sub is once again a stun bot and only played at r1 levels
id be fine if it did damage and wasnt a stun bot
but not both
potent pivot
Defeatist
severe helm
it cant be a stun bot and have insane burst thats just being op lol
outer sky
no thats what you told me lol
Because it was true. I told you over the course of several expansions that rogue CC has been getting pruned and every time the thing that got pruned was "the reason everyone hates rogues and when thats gone it'll be fine". But it never was and so I see no reason to believe nerfing this next thing will somehow be the silver bullet that actually makes people shut up. So those whiners can just fuck off we're done trying to feed the insatiable. If you dont get that then thats on you sorry
severe helm
and ahve an easy rotatio
and have no setup
and have good defensives
and mobility
like cmonnnn
potent pivot
it cant be a stun bot and have insane burst thats just being op lol
That’s so fucking cap
severe helm
Because it was true. I told you over the course of several expansions that rogue...
but that example isnt relevant cuz sub didnt get their cc pruned
that was my counterpoint
outer sky
but that example isnt relevant cuz sub didnt get their cc pruned
Every rogue spec did
potent pivot
?
severe helm
if sub didnt have cd reset on cheap shot I think people honestly wouldnt be complaining as much
potent pivot
It’s stun lock has less duration
severe helm
are yall really boutta sit there and tell me if sub didnt have cheap shot cd reset that people wouldnt complain less
outer sky
Sub has 8s blind, 8s sap, 7s kidney on a 20s CD and can spam cheap shot during its entire dance/subterfuge window??
severe helm
like we really about to say that
severe helm
like if sub didnt have cheap reset
potent pivot
like we really about to say that
Yes
potent pivot
Because it’d be kidney->cheap
The goalpost would just move
Like it does every fucking time mewo
severe helm
its relative bud
outer sky
The goalpost would just move
This is what ive been saying
severe helm
people complained less in the past
severe helm
and theyre complaining more now
potent pivot
Time
severe helm
cuz sub is more op
outer sky
LOL
severe helm
whats hard to understand
its really simple
make sub less op
and people will complain less
potent pivot
Idiot I stg
severe helm
like this is very simple
outer sky
people complained less in the past
This is the most insane thing to say 
severe helm
This is the most insane thing to say <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
yeah youre right people def made the exact same forum posts about sub not getting nerfs in tww s3
outer sky
They complained just as much when sub was good enough to see real play
severe helm
youre right
I forgot
they were all over hte forums
talking about NERF SUB NERF SUB
in tww s3
definitely
I forgot about those posts
they must have gone missing somehow
its crazy
not sure how taht would happen
since they complained JUST as much before
but those posts are just gone
hmm
so weird
outer sky
I forgot about those posts
In any season it was the best rogue spec yes. Pretending to be a delusional idiot isnt an argument lol
severe helm
In any season it was the best rogue spec yes. Pretending to be a delusional idio...
op there we go
outer sky
Idk why you think it is
severe helm
goal posts flying around
so they do complain less
about sub
when its less op
do we agree now?
outer sky
When its not played
outer sky
When its the best rogue spec they complain about it. When assa is the best rogue spec its complained about
severe helm
any guesses
anyone?
why might sub be less played and less complained about
in tww s3
compared to now
hmmmmmmmm
lets put our thinking caps on
outer sky
Because its trash like we've been saying it was
outer sky
Glad we agree
outer sky
No no you got it
severe helm
it gets complained about less
outer sky
It was trash
severe helm
hmm
outer sky
So people complained less
severe helm
thats weird
outer sky
Youre right for once
pastel burrow
Hate it when mum and dad fight
outer sky
Mewo youre right. It was a bad spec. Not played. Thats what trickz and I have been saying
severe helm
nerf sub
potent pivot
Can we stfu already
stoic spruce
It's funny how people will say their OP spec is bad and turn around and say another spec is OP while that playerbase is saying it's not
potent pivot
@outer sky means u too
stoic spruce
Like the shoe is on the other foot and somehow it's different
potent pivot
It's funny how people will say their OP spec is bad and turn around and say anot...
i don't think anyone is saying sub is bad
its obviously good
stoic spruce
Bad isn't the right word to use but you get the point
potent pivot
the way blizzard balances
different specs get their time to shine
thats just how it goes and anyone that says otherwise is on unbelievable levels of copium
retpocalypse...mm last season....etc
stoic spruce
But rets don't want to admit it
outer sky
Retpocalypse never ended trickz
potent pivot
i just find it extremely cringe
that any time sub is good everyone cries for nerfs within 1 day of seeing that its good
outer sky
Why does that sound familiar
Theres actual numbers that suggest it never ended though not just discord noise
stoic spruce
It's actually crazy they give ret an answer to literally every single thing in the game
stoic spruce
Theres actual numbers that suggest it never ended though not just discord noise
For sure
It's actually crazy blizz doesn't do anything
potent pivot
mcconell has them by the balls
if they make rets bad they lose 50% of the remaining playerbase
outer sky
It's actually crazy blizz doesn't do anything
Too many people main it. If it got nerfed too much people wouldn't be able to use it as a crutch to hit their seasonal goal of getting the elite set
So thats never happening
potent pivot
for once we're seeing rogue participation that isn't in the bottom 2% of the entire playerbase
oh noooooo we must nuke them immediately !!!
cbfa
then once sub gets gutted like always, it'll be crying about assa
outer sky
oh noooooo we must nuke them immediately !!!
But if they nerfed what they want to get nerfed then it'll just be something else that gets whined about
outer sky
and no one even realizes
It'll be garrote silence that gets whined about
Its literally like I said. Whatever the best rogue spec is, people lose their shit over
stoic spruce
I wonder why everyone has a problem with rogues but rogues
outer sky
I wonder why everyone has a problem with rogues but rogues
Well I imagine thats pretty self explanatory.
potent pivot
I wonder why everyone has a problem with rogues but rogues
even rogues have a problem with rogues apparently 
outer sky
If you dont play a certain class then that means youre on the receiving end of it more often than someone who does play it.
stoic spruce
Yeah it's been busted since wrath
severe helm
Yeah it's been busted since wrath
careful they dont tolerate that speech around here
stoic spruce
Does shuffle still have that issue with 2 of the same specs?
outer sky
At the end of the day, rogues stun people. Being stunned isnt fun. So if rogue is good people have less fun. Because people are stunned more often. And being stunned isnt fun. I get that. But "i dont enjoy fighting this" isnt a good sentiment to tune the game around
Especially when we have rets running around an average of 400mmr higher than the next highest mmr spec
As has been the case for multiple seasons now
outer sky
What do y'all think they'll give ret next?
Pally specific forbearance
So if an hpal bops a ret he can still bop himself after
pastel burrow
dual wield for two ashbringers at once
outer sky
One thing im SURE is coming sooner or later is that they'll make it so pressing trinket automatically procs precog.
"Whats the point of trinketing if I just get CCd again wahhhhh!!!! Healer agency!!"
Im actually surprised they havent already done that
potent pivot
dual wield for two ashbringers at once
quad weild, actually. because they'll just be throwing them at your head from 30 yards away, so they'll need more.
stoic spruce
My favorite thing about double ret lobbies is that statistically speaking, one of them is dumb enough to play so abhorrently wrong that they make a somewhat easy kill target.
In 3s
Miss me with shuffle
outer sky
My favorite thing about double ret lobbies is that statistically speaking, one o...
Im boycotting those
I told Trickz this earlier
Im so sick of it
vocal surge
My favorite thing about double ret lobbies is that statistically speaking, one o...
My favorite part about Double Ret lobbies is that they're countered by Ret-Outlaw unless its 3s
stoic spruce
I doubt I'd even get to 1800 on my dk in 3s because of all the ww/mw/x comps
3 dps comp
Where one is disguised as a healer
I actually hate MW so much
outer sky
It's awful
Thats not even the main reason. Im just sick of this every season. Idk why they cant just keep this abhorrent pink class in check. So every time I load into a lobby and theres 2+ rets OR 3+ paladins of any kind I just /afk out. They can sit another 30 minute queue, I dont care. If they get frustrated and unsub, all the better. Thats what blizzard gets for subjecting us to these glowing pink apes season after season without a break.
potent pivot
I doubt I'd even get to 1800 on my dk in 3s because of all the ww/mw/x comps
VW is the same dogshit
does dps levels of damage
stoic spruce
There's no other spec in the game besides sub that I hate more. It's so abysmally rage inducing
stoic spruce
VW is the same dogshit
Disc is cool
It gets a pass
#bias
Outlaw/disc goated 2s comp
stoic spruce
Thats not even the main reason. Im just sick of this every season. Idk why they ...
Sounds like they should make every other class have a counter to ret, indirectly nerfing it.
They wouldn't know
They're too dumb
severe helm
does dps levels of damage
looking at the ladder in shuffle I was surprised so few are playing it
it does kinda struggle with throughput when actually getting pressured for cc
so maybe thats why
outer sky
Sounds like they should make every other class have a counter to ret, indirectly...
They just did this to mages. Nobody is talking about it but today's tuning notes were actually a big mage nerf. They gave huge buffs to DKs and Shamans which mages hate
potent pivot
looking at the ladder in shuffle I was surprised so few are playing it
huh?
outer sky
They could do a few quick things to ret and make it perfectly fine.
No more bubble with forb
Sanc replaces sac
Freedom half duration but non purgable
LoH affected by dampening (but not MS)
30% less damage done during bubble
Do those things and you can give them more damage its fine
outer sky
Make them unable to attack while bubbled
Fuck that. Do you know how many games ive won against rets just because they aggro bubbled??? No shot we make them stop doing that
pastel burrow
Shattering Gunshot
pastel burrow
That'd go hard ngl
stoic spruce
Of course it would, I'm an outlaw main and I know what it needs
Mhm mhm
Ask me to cook again
Watch
stoic spruce
/bow
severe helm
no idk if im misunderstanding or what tbh
yous aid VW
stoic spruce
TLT needs to hurry up. I gotta see what they do with these specs.
stoic spruce
And classes
potent pivot
yous aid VW
oh i didn't realize there was a hero spec thingy there. maybe they just do nutty dmg regardless
cuz almost every priest i see regardless, even hpriest, does nutty dmg
stoic spruce
Monk is a hero class, don't let them fool you
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pandaren_Brewmaster_(Warcraft_III)
outer sky
cuz almost every priest i see regardless, even hpriest, does nutty dmg
Every voidweaver Ive played with this week did a shit ton of damage in the first 30 seconds and if we didn't win then we'd fall over within the next minute guaranteed
severe helm
yep
thats pretty much how they are
any cc pressure at all on them and they cant keep up
stoic spruce
Reminds me of kick hpal win game
I've already seen every spec in the game by now
Except
Prot pally
Where did they go?
stoic spruce
I bet blizz gave them stealth
outer sky
Reminds me of kick hpal win game
A guy in a shuffle of mine on tuesday won us a round by Blood Elfing the Hpal's BoP. I guess he didnt notice it was gone since our team didnt have a real purge.
Never bubbled
stoic spruce
That's awesome
outer sky
That's awesome
Oh you asked what I think they'll give pallys next. For sure they'll eventually let them bubble even while holy locked
stoic spruce
Oh shit that's so true
outer sky
Probs take it off the GCD
stoic spruce
Maybe even a little CDR just to top it all off
I wonder how mages feel being the 2nd favorite since df
severe helm
Oh you asked what I think they'll give pallys next. For sure they'll eventually ...
nah theyll be able to bless of sanc while stunned
LOL
stoic spruce
These are all on par with blizz
potent pivot
eventually wings will just make them fly around the arena completely invincible while shooting down holy hammer missiles upon the rest of us
outer sky
eventually wings will just make them fly around the arena completely invincible ...
Could you imagine if blizzard ever nerfed ret to make it like what outlaw rogue is right now
stoic spruce
I wouldn't mind my damage being where it's at if my pvp talents were still team buff oriented
Like take your cut and stuff
Rip the goat
outer sky
I wouldn't mind my damage being where it's at if my pvp talents were still team ...
Wym you got aoe vial heal 
stoic spruce
Dude
They gotta put Jesus on it or something
That's exactly the thing I'm talking about
If it were good ofc
Boarding Party is cool but it doesn't have any actual use cases
outer sky
Ngl I feel like they could buff aoe vial to copy 100% of vials heal and it still wouldn't be good
stoic spruce
I really doubt it
potent pivot
maybe they should just give outlaw "walk the plank" where you walk off the plank of a ship... dying
outer sky
The 15 yard range is kinda cuck since we play with casters
potent pivot
!ban @sage nexus scam spam
potent pivot
maybe they should just give outlaw "walk the plank" where you walk off the plank...
then, when you walk off the plank, your team's damage and healing are buffed by 100% for 5 minutes
so you die, and they have 5min to win or gg
outer sky
I really doubt it
But think about this. With sub being meta, outlaw basically gets a 10% damage buff. Because every game you'll have essentially 100% uptime on Turn the Tables
potent pivot
imagine using that on a sub/law/mw team tho
stoic spruce
imagine using that on a sub/law/mw team tho
I'd rather not think of mw/sub getting buffed by 100%
Asking to give me a headache lol
outer sky
Idk much about how MW works but the biggest issue with it seems to be how frequently cocoon is available
They have it every go
stoic spruce
I feel like thats been an issue for years and people stopped talking about it
outer sky
I feel like thats been an issue for years and people stopped talking about it
No its way worse now
stoic spruce
I haven't noticed, my idc meter shoots all the way up and those matches turn into a blur of indifference
outer sky
So cocoon is a 2m CD. But they have this bullshit now
potent pivot
so its a sub 1 minute CD basically
outer sky
so its a sub 1 minute CD basically
Easily
stoic spruce
I have been saying "cocoons back already. Why wouldn't it be?" A lot more this expac.
outer sky
With good RNG it can get as low as 30s. But it regularly becomes a 45-50s CD
Yulons Avatar has a pretty good proc chance
Sheiluns gift has no CD
And its a very strong heal
So they press it a lot
stoic spruce
My hate for MW goes back pretty far
I go back and read it and I'm literally always justified
outer sky
My hate for MW goes back pretty far
I just dont think this 8% healing nerf is going to matter at all. I could be wrong. But the issue with MW to me isnt really its throughput. Its how many powerful CDs it has on short cooldowns plus very high damage if it wants it
stoic spruce
Speak your truth king
stoic spruce
I just dont think this 8% healing nerf is going to matter at all. I could be wro...
There's always some bs I'm telling you lol
Idk when it started
But one day it just became so aids
outer sky
Like they cant die. They can port every other stun. They have cocoon every other go. They never OOM. When they dont have cocoon they have conduit. And they have restoral which is an aoe lay on hands that can be used while stunned.
Plus high mobility
stoic spruce
I think sometime between SL and DF
stoic spruce
Making my stomach hurt thinking about it lol
outer sky
Their biggest weakness used to be the fact that they had to channel soothing mist so they couldnt run around the arena. But now they can cast it while moving. Which I think is fine since they only have 1 school and it doesnt really make sense for the "mobile healer" to have to stand still to cast. But that in context with everything else right now just makes them bulletproof
Like every time I win against a MW it feels like it was very obviously because the MW was bad
Unless I also have one
Then its an 8m game
And we either win or lose in dampening
stoic spruce
Mw is the one healer I refuse to play with just out of principle
I'm so consistent in my ways
stoic spruce
And we either win or lose in dampening
They'll give ret a cheat death
That's my answer to my question
outer sky
They'll give ret a cheat death
Oh I got a better one
"When you would take fatal damage, instead gain divine shield for 8 seconds. Cannot occur more than once per minute"
outer sky
Make it impossible to die without bubbling
severe helm
healer mmr
is
so toxic
4-2 gives 7 rating
like cmonnnn man
its weird cuz in blitz
mmr is insane
almost 3k already
I just dont understand
they just like hard cap shuffle mmr for no reason
potent pivot
prolly cuz you'd get no queues or something
potent pivot
mhmmmm
severe helm
but this is a lil ridiculous
I mean I have a 65% winrate
over 100 games
and im only 1750
theres definitely something very different between healer mmr and dps mmr thats for sure
outer sky
they just like hard cap shuffle mmr for no reason
Maybe an attempt to get people out of shuffle and into organized 3s? It has kind of been a problem that every reward obtainable in 3s besides the glad mount has been available from shuffle and infinitely easier to get there
severe helm
I wish they were more transparent with it
severe helm
Maybe an attempt to get people out of shuffle and into organized 3s? It has kind...
I think the last thing blizz should be doing is discouraging healers from doing shuffle lol
maybe for dps players
outer sky
I think the last thing blizz should be doing is discouraging healers from doing ...
This isnt just happening to healers
Top rating in shuffle is 2.1
In 3s its almost 2.5
Thats never happened before
outer sky
They capped all of us somehow
stoic spruce
WoW is in such a strange condition right now
severe helm
its very different between dps and healers
for sure
or theres just something broken under the hood cuz I didnt pvp at all last season
outer sky
200 rating higher
Maybe its worse for healers but they definitely did something with shuffle mmr across the board. Id likely assume if its worse for healers its a bug
severe helm
but it seems like a lot of people have a lot of games on healer
severe helm
Maybe its worse for healers but they definitely did something with shuffle mmr a...
yeah shuffle mmr is normally capped at the start of the season
but I dont remember it being this insane
7 point 4-2 at 1700 like
thats wild
outer sky
yeah shuffle mmr is normally capped at the start of the season
Not like this. Last xpac I got 2400 shuffle on day 2 or 3 of the season every season
severe helm
and the worst part is with it so tight you just have a ton of lobbies of one player clearly being in the wrong lobby
going 0-6
outer sky
Esp this early when everyone's queuing
Yeah its gotta be intentional
dark moon
Maybe an attempt to get people out of shuffle and into organized 3s? It has kind...
hopefully not, cause i dont want to search for 3s teammates
i'd rather not play any pvp than getting flamed from lfg
outer sky
hopefully not, cause i dont want to search for 3s teammates
I feel that but its an MMO game the social aspect is part of it. Logging in and pressing queue by yourself every day is antithetical to the concept of the game
dark moon
agree
but the meta in every other game is solo or duo queue
its 1000 times better
unless friends
log in, queue, wait, accept, play
opposed to sitting in LFG for hours, searching for people and washed multiglads apply to you, play one game, flame you for fuck knows reason and leave
then rinse and repeat
ew, no
outer sky
but the meta in every other game is solo or duo queue
The evidence shows players take the path of least resistance to get rewards. You can still solo queue. It just may no longer actually be the path of least resistance. So you can trade the social difficulty for mmr difficulty but they probably shouldn't make shuffle easier in every way and every bit as rewarding
outer sky
but the meta in every other game is solo or duo queue
Do you play anything besides rogue? If so ill play with you. I LFGd my glad last season so I have no aversion to queuing with people I dont know
dark moon
The evidence shows players take the path of least resistance to get rewards. You...
cannot disagree
dark moon
Do you play anything besides rogue? If so ill play with you. I LFGd my glad last...
in shuffle i play rogue, demo, resto shaman, disc/holy priest and holy paladin, but im on EU
most of you guys here are NA i think
outer sky
in shuffle i play rogue, demo, resto shaman, disc/holy priest and holy paladin, ...
Ah rip im NA ye
outer sky
if i didnt have 100+ ping on NA i wouldve played
People in Australia and New Zealand are grouped on the NA servers
They regularly have 200+ ping
dark moon
but for some reason NA to EU doesnt lag, but EU to NA lags like fuck 120 ping
outer sky
but for some reason NA to EU doesnt lag, but EU to NA lags like fuck 120 ping
That is strange. I wonder if it matters which NA server. Like i imagine an east cost server would lag less than a west coast one
outer sky
Yeah
outer sky
Thats so nice for ping. I took a weekend trip to Chicago where the server i was playing on at the time is located
And my ping
Was 4ms
Literally 4
Because I was in the same city as my server
dark moon
That is strange. I wonder if it matters which NA server. Like i imagine an east ...
i guess it matters, but ive seen NA streamers play EU without too much hassle, where EU to NA is 120 average and its brutal especially for sub rogue
dark moon
Because I was in the same city as my server
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
I think the EU server is in France, so people in or near France are playing with below 10 ms
i play with 30-40, which is okay
outer sky
i play with 30-40, which is okay
I play with 50-60 usually and its fine
dark moon
if it goes above 80 it starts to feel like shit, so you should be fine
outer sky
if it goes above 80 it starts to feel like shit, so you should be fine
Yeah and my internet is satellite
My ping is crazy good for satellite internet
dark moon
you were in some remote place
i mean if you're in a remote place that ping is just crisp
outer sky
you were in some remote place
I literally live in a cabin in the woods
I dont even have a street number
So ya this is about as good as im gunna do but tbh its more than fine
Like for example
dark moon
I literally live in a cabin in the woods
thats a dream
outer sky
Right now im out of town visiting my wife's parents
They live in a town
And have fiber internet
And i cant even tell the difference
Ping is like 40ms
Little lower but not enough for me to be able to tell
But like when I was playing with 4ms it felt totally different. People dont belive me
Everything was so responsive
dark moon
i think low/high ping can be felt on sub only, due to stunlock
every other class/spec doesnt feel ping unless you start missing kicks and thats around 100 ms
if no packets are lost ofc
outer sky
every other class/spec doesnt feel ping unless you start missing kicks and thats...
Yeah the chain stuns def make it more noticeable
Maybe blizzard did us all a favor gutting assa and outlaw CC
Now we can play on higher ping
Because we sure as hell wont be performing any stun locks
That is for sure
dark moon
i was memeing something similar the other day about ret paladins
it was a bit cruel, but i said that blizz did a great job with rets, making them inclusive ++ so if you get into a car crash and you are left with no limbs, you can still have 100% access to the game
in greater details, but wouldnt sit good here if i explain it 😄
outer sky
it was a bit cruel, but i said that blizz did a great job with rets, making them...
Could be killed in the car crash and still able to play ret well enough to get elite rank in shuffle
lavish idol
I'm using platynator, but I don't see class colours
Is there some setting other than this?
or does it not work in brawl as they are npcs
outer sky
or does it not work in brawl as they are npcs
/run SetCVar("ShowClassColorInNameplate", 1)
Run that
See if it works
potent pivot
/run SetCVar("ShowClassColorInNameplate", 1)
Ain’t gotta do all that
potent pivot
Is there some setting other than this?
You have to go into the tab where you see the nameplate appearance, open the sub menus, and put class color higher on the weighting list
It’s a bit tricky to find but once you find it, it’s self explanatory
I’ll see if I can take a ss rq
lavish idol
/run SetCVar("ShowClassColorInNameplate", 1)
Did not 🙁
lavish idol
You have to go into the tab where you see the nameplate appearance, open the sub...
Yeah I am struggling 😛
potent pivot
Yeah I am struggling 😛
go into Designer tab
right click the hp bar, click something in the drop down menu
then click the arrows in the bottom menu
to bring class colors to the top of the priority list
lavish idol
Ahh I found a import that works nicely
lavish idol
Got it, looking good now. Thanks for the reply! ❤️
potent pivot
np
severe nexus
Yo, we chasing full haste/vers for sub pvp? or just a certain %?
potent pivot
Yo, we chasing full haste/vers for sub pvp? or just a certain %?
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
shrewd lagoon
I spend my bloody tokens on helmet/shoulders without reading here first
so spending conquest on the same two items is just arghh
potent pivot
I spend my bloody tokens on helmet/shoulders without reading here first
bloody tokens are kinda useless now anyway
they are the same ilvl as honor gear now
shrewd lagoon
so with conquest still get the stated items in FAQ
potent pivot
so with conquest still get the stated items in FAQ
yee
shrewd lagoon
Thanks
question, losing the 4 set from wq pvp gear.. I guess its a big bump down isnt it?
stoic spruce
Not active in instanced pvp
lone jasper
potent pivot
question, losing the 4 set from wq pvp gear.. I guess its a big bump down isnt i...
that only works in world pvp
not in any BGs or arena etc
dark kernel
I had a shuffle with a brew master ret and dk
No sub pad working there
Ret is unbelievably tanky
sharp garden
What are you guys doing to level alts up fast now? Is there a cheese?
potent pivot
What are you guys doing to level alts up fast now? Is there a cheese?
Check out the #1478034741302399250 thread
dark kernel
What are you guys doing to level alts up fast now? Is there a cheese?
Pretty sure that one delve still works really fast, and grinding tier 1 delves overall is pretty good
potent pivot
There’s an addon with a decent speed run guide
Takes you through delves and side quests etc
sharp garden
Ty ty
lavish idol
Usually I am gearing for PvE before PvP, so catalyst wise not getting tier for quite some time. Is there any trick to doing both I am not aware of?
sharp stone
Usually I am gearing for PvE before PvP, so catalyst wise not getting tier for q...
conq pieces are champion track outside arenas too, isnt that pretty solid when maxed with crests to 263 ?
potent pivot
Usually I am gearing for PvE before PvP, so catalyst wise not getting tier for q...
You can add pvp ilvl to pve tier with an item off the conq vendor
grave basin
conq pieces are champion track outside arenas too, isnt that pretty solid when m...
Conq pieces are terribly optimised
potent pivot
I think the strat now is get 4p at all costs cuz u unlock farming infinite catalyst charges on the character
grave basin
Most specs avoid verse and pvp pieces have verse in every slot
sharp stone
Most specs avoid verse and pvp pieces have verse in every slot
if u catalyst conq pieces their stats turn into the same stats as normal tier pieces from raid tho
grave basin
Thats a waste since hero tier minimum is free from m+
dark moon
Usually I am gearing for PvE before PvP, so catalyst wise not getting tier for q...
2nd rogue for pvp
potent pivot
Thats a waste since hero tier minimum is free from m+
Does that even matter though
After u get 4p u unlock infinite cata
grave basin
After u get 4p u unlock infinite cata
Yea this is a game changer
Depends on how fast you get 4pc then
sharp stone
Thats a waste since hero tier minimum is free from m+
m+ isnt out yet
if u want tier rn its gonna have to be a champ track gear unless lucky from heroic raid or smt
gusty hedge
if u want tier rn its gonna have to be a champ track gear unless lucky from hero...
seen some war post on tuesday he had full tier set, guessing from norm/heroic raids, was posted on twitter/reddit
sharp stone
yeah its possible but very unlikely to roll anything from raidduring the first week since theres so many people wanting those items let alone a full set :D
spring bough
seen some war post on tuesday he had full tier set, guessing from norm/heroic ra...
LFR is out too
sharp stone
pvp vendor sells those items that scale gear up for pvp so if you get lucky just slap ur gear with one of those
but im using these on my pve set too even though they are my conq shoulders and i think theyre fairly decent for the first week
waxen meteor
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
spring bough
Blitz mmr feels like it’s inflated already fyi if any one chasing the illusion or duelist weps
spring bough
@potent pivot ellesemere update no more beta. Addon position reset lol. He added a quest log reskin and looks like a dmg meter one soon
dark moon
One thing im SURE is coming sooner or later is that they'll make it so pressing ...
hahahahah
dark moon
big cd? 1:30 for them healers
it should be 2 min cd again
im not sure why healers in pvp (and pve) and tanks in pve feel the need to dictate the game so it suits them
like fuck off, will ya?
has insta queues everywhere and still complains it's not fun to play
like, sit 30 min dps queues and shut up or something
whew
the only thing that is unfair for them healers is the scuffed shuffle mmr
which should be fixed, its only fair
but everything else, no sir
halcyon timber
“Just save your damage for when you are immune for 3s bro hehe” is all that would come from that , then it would turn into “theres no stopping burst , nerf it” nonsense again
dark moon
rant over, i feel better now
gusty hedge
<@629463378250956810> ellesemere update no more beta. Addon position reset lol. ...
settin up looked like a pain 
spring bough
settin up looked like a pain <:dead:932888396316155934>
it is ez
the snap to elements and grid lineup he has is too good
superior edit mode to blizz
dark moon
is it a nice addon?
spring bough
yeah im liking it
dark moon
is it on curseforge?
spring bough
it is
outer sky
im not sure why healers in pvp (and pve) and tanks in pve feel the need to dicta...
They need to replace these fucks with AI and free us from the burden of appeasing them
dark moon
They need to replace these fucks with AI and free us from the burden of appeasin...
oh that would be good
outer sky
oh that would be good
I was thinking about it yesterday and its like this:
Healing is only "fun" and "impactful" when you can autonomously keep your team alive. So if you ever cant keep your team up for a long time, healing just becomes frustrating and nobody will want to do it. That means the only way we can ever not have a healer shortage is if every game is a 10 minute damp fest. Because thats the meta where healing is strong and "rewarding" enough to do it. But thats boring to play. So we have to find a way to get healers into the game without making healers good. And it seems theres no good way to do that with human healers.
dark moon
yeah
spring bough
tier shoulders drop in normal and i roll a 2.... fml
dark moon
I was thinking about it yesterday and its like this:
Healing is only "fun" and...
given all the bots playing shuffle it should be easy for blizz to code an AI healer that plays good
but the game is the most fun when its fast-paced and not damp
and everybody is op and can do serious dmg
outer sky
given all the bots playing shuffle it should be easy for blizz to code an AI hea...
Doesnt even need to play that good and would still do a better job than most human healers. Program it to have a toxic attitude and none of us would even be able to tell the difference
formal needle
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
dark moon
Doesnt even need to play that good and would still do a better job than most hum...
haha with woke blizz toxic attude wont happen
outer sky
haha with woke blizz toxic attude wont happen
Truth. Maybe human healers are good for something after all
dark moon
but ai healer for pvp and ai tank/healer for pve sounds good
formal needle
how can i even see while im in silvermoon how high my pvp stats are?
outer sky
how can i even see while im in silvermoon how high my pvp stats are?
Hit the pvp training dummies
dark moon
and now that we had season of discovery tank rogue and valeera has a tanking role in delves, maybe, and thats a biiiig stretch, rogues can have a tank spec so i wont sit in m+ queues 24/7
even if its the shittiest tank of them all
formal needle
i got 662 haste, should i invest more?
sharp stratus
Did you/anyone ever figure this out? I am having the same issue. The default damage meter and details both do not show poison bomb.
outer sky
i got 662 haste, should i invest more?
if you want to. But your current stats arent bad
all youd gain from a bit more if a little more error margin during dance to fit all the globals in
dark moon
Did you/anyone ever figure this out? I am having the same issue. The default dam...
is this on dummies or actual pvp/pve combat?
sharp stratus
dummies
outer sky
and if you do get more you wouldnt want more than like 20-30 more haste
formal needle
if you want to. But your current stats arent bad
518 mastery 1200 vers 32 crit atm
outer sky
Did you/anyone ever figure this out? I am having the same issue. The default dam...
The damage meters are just trash
outer sky
518 mastery 1200 vers 32 crit atm
yah youre fine but if you want 20-30 more haste it wouldnt hurt
play some games, count your dance globals. If you feel like youre consistently missing one then add a bit more haste
formal needle
yah youre fine but if you want 20-30 more haste it wouldnt hurt
i manage 7 globals in dance atm
i got another setup where i got 764 haste
but then 416 mastery
idk whats better
should i just test if i can do the same amount of globals with my higher mastery setup?
outer sky
i got another setup where i got 764 haste
684 is considered the optimal cap
sharp stratus
nope, poison bomb doesnt show up on dmg meter
thanks for the confirmation
sharp stratus
thought i was going insane
outer sky
They need to revert this addon/weakaura change
We all have everything we had before
besides a functioning dps meter
outer sky
i dont have enemy cd tracker
I can track when a CD is used/active but not how long until it comes back off CD
dark moon
ye, same
outer sky
Which I actualy prefer
dark moon
dont have my party cds either
outer sky
dont have my party cds either
I played with a healer who said he had some way of tracking that
I didnt bother to ask how
dark moon
i mean game is similar to tww, so naturally you learned the cd of spells
outer sky
i mean game is similar to tww, so naturally you learned the cd of spells
I have a pretty reliable internal clock for enemy CDs. The only one I misjudge frequently is Life Cocoon. And so I've just learned to assume its up every other go, and normally I'm right. Becasue it has an insane amount of CDR now
calm vortex
anything good to do with mark of honor? if u cant buy transmog
outer sky
How is this game so sweaty that I get a tied game at 1800mmr
dark kernel
How is this game so sweaty that I get a tied game at 1800mmr
Game is pretty deflated right now to be honest, but it is the start of a season people go to start pumping games out
We don't have a new PVP thing. But we still have a decent amount of players. Not like a start of an expansion with shuffle or blitz though
gusty hedge
LFR is out too
lost all rolls to sub rogue and dh both lfr groups same people every item plus tier set roll
remembered why i dont pve 
spring bough
lost all rolls to sub rogue and dh both lfr groups same people<:dead:93288839631...
And they always the ones doing the bottom dmg too 😭
warped gate
Close match.
gleaming sentinel
Game is pretty deflated right now to be honest, but it is the start of a season ...
Tinfoil: they capping shuffle mmr to promote more 3s
novel karma
Any pvp outlaw streamers? I'm seeing sub only
ocean thunder
i can see assassin dmg potential, but its like KB , wait one minute and KB deathmark and kill
and then more conditions
but the dmg is there
dark kernel
Tinfoil: they capping shuffle mmr to promote more 3s
Would be okay with that
dark kernel
And they always the ones doing the bottom dmg too 😭
To be fair, sub is deadlast PVE
warped gate
I love how the Monk was trying to soothe him, when he was laughing at him too when he was on the other team. xd
Apparently he had to pee.
I am genuinely so lost on how folks just use mobility cooldowns to enter battle ASAP and cuck my Sap.
1700, I figured we'd know better by now.
Even if not to cuck Sap, to just.. save your mobility cooldowns for when you need.. mobility!
gleaming sentinel
Any pvp outlaw streamers? I'm seeing sub only
I should stream so people know what not to do
warped gate
I wanted to stream, I even got a streamer setup.
But then I realized, who wants to see a 1500 Rogue?
marsh mauve
i do, fire it up
warped gate
I wanted to stream, I even got a streamer setup.
I got the setup when I was a 2K WW Monk.
warped gate
i do, fire it up
I bet you say that to all the 1500 Rogues. <;3
outer sky
@potent pivot I just played a 3s and the enemy MW monk cocooned 2 kidney goes back to back
and i didnt hold it
i just sent kidney off CD
clever prawn
ok just double checking, I can buy a helm and shoulder conq pieces and then throw them in the catalyst to make them set pieces and they maintain their pvp item level?
warped gate
Yes.
warped gate
This guy actually says it manually each round.
He's too pure for this world.
He also zugged tf out of the lobby, so I guess he was in a good mood. ;3
spring bough
how are rets going 0-6
gleaming sentinel
As a non support rogue it’s kind of a nice play to be. I just do dmg now
dire jolt
should i be having some haste for assa pvp set
gleaming sentinel
Don’t have to worry about setting anyone up, just slam
warped gate
Also I decided to take a different route and got the Engineering headset for the steady stream of Vers into my veins, but I didn't realize there was Engineering boots too and now I'm just looking at my Conquest boots like fuck these things.
Fucking pieces of shit.
warped gate
how are rets going 0-6
I always liked Ret as a window shopper.
spring bough
i dont understand how he loses 2 rounds with me against a DK and WW
spring bough
bros got infinite shields, full HP heal, freedom
warped gate
I hate when they zug their asses off, then on my team they flop like Lebron.
spring bough
everytime i tell a ret to use freedom they be like "wasted global"
they are so cringe
they have everything and complain like they got nothing
grave pier
Hey guys what do we craft for pvp? Wasit, WRist or Feet?
warped gate
Waist and boots, IIRC.
grave pier
Waist and boots, IIRC.
cool, no cape?
warped gate
outer sky
how are rets going 0-6
You have to remember that every time you see a ret its being played by somebody dumb enough to play ret
warped gate
@potent pivot is the info man.
spring bough
Cool time to kill <@629463378250956810>
Was that an enhance shammy?
severe helm
yep
spring bough
They are so broken lol
severe helm
lot of things are
spring bough
I run so far when they pop their shit
severe helm
game is in a very bad state atm
severe helm
he died in a cap totem stun
spring bough
Does it still do the double stun BS
spring bough
Yeah I had a 2-4 and lost like 60
Then a 4-2 and got 20
Damn ret couldn’t win a round unreal shit today lol
2-4 lobby I had this mage died in 20 seconds no block lol
I’m gonna stick to pushing blitz till Devourer is buffed on Tuesday 
severe helm
I thought you were saying before devourer was really good
severe helm
yeah the game is really fucked up rn
spring bough
yeah the game is really fucked up rn
ive had games where i did 3mil more dmg than the next guy and still lost the round lol
even with good CC
trying to push to rival 2 in blitz today to get this galactic illusion
this disc is doing more dps than all the other dps on my team in blitz.....
warped gate
ive had games where i did 3mil more dmg than the next guy and still lost the rou...
tbh, most my games I win, I’m the lowest damage. 
spring bough
dont tell me u playing sub lmao
warped gate
ofcn
warped gate
I had someone say, ”outlaw wtf” in Shuffle the other day. Not rage, just genuinely bewilderment.
That reminds me, only Aug is below us but, what does Aug do?
It was supposed to be a support class, then Blizz gave up on that idea, so now is it just a mediocre DPS or something?
analog tapir
yooo what trinket do i use as assa i know the Galactic Aspirant's Medallion but what is the other one ?
im not sure i know wtf im doing these days
finite mantle
this one
analog tapir
thanks brother
last jasper
Does anyone have a huge spike opening trasmofigation ui? The game is on 980pro ssd and acting like it's on hhd.
lusty forum
Can we cancel Ultimate Penitence of Priests ?
jolly sierra
just a little more and gotta get the 1k6
the last match was smooth, got the glads in my team
rose escarp
is there someone here that can help me out idk what i do wrong but i loose so many rounds in solo ccd like hell try to set up all ins and still loose -.- fells like i getting worse then better with sub
potent pivot
hey guys what to craft for PVP Sub?
severe helm
It was supposed to be a support class, then Blizz gave up on that idea, so now i...
its a z dps
support doesnt really make sense in wow
cuz almost every class has support abilities
so aug is just a dev that does z dps
potent pivot
anything good to do with mark of honor? if u cant buy transmog
Why can’t u buy transmog
severe helm
hmmmmmm
jolly sierra
1k6, i am out for this week lol
severe helm
some good stuff seems like
potent pivot
looks like it mentions adapt trinket
severe helm
fixes for some things
potent pivot
and cc
severe helm
looks like a bit of crackdown for things like interpreting secret auras
its gona break a lot of addons though
like a lot
but if theyre ahead of it on beta/alpha it might not be a big deal
but yeah nothing too dramatic
rose escarp
do you guy wear the pve tierset or is there something that can i use the pve stuff for pvp? i dont understand the new craftingshit -.-
severe helm
you can add pvp scaling to a pve tier piece
if you get a tier from pve
you buy an item from the pvp vendor
potent pivot
looks like a bit of crackdown for things like interpreting secret auras
hopefully they've bricked the secret omnibar shit
severe helm
oh is omnibar still a thing?
rose escarp
i got the Galactic Gladiator's Heraldry but not sure if i craft item then make it to set or not
potent pivot
severe helm
I just wana track kicks man
I feel like thats a fair compromise
if enemies can see my cast bar
I should be able to know their kick is up
potent pivot
i got the Galactic Gladiator's Heraldry but not sure if i craft item then make i...
heraldries are for crafting crafted gear. nothing to do with tier set. there are items on the conquest vendor that can add pvp ilvl scaling to pve tier set pieces.
they're called varnish/lacquer or w/e
potent pivot
oh is omnibar still a thing?
no
indigo zealot
hello guys should i go assa or sub for rbgs? it feels like i got 0 kill pressure in soloq as sub
rose escarp
heraldries are for crafting crafted gear. nothing to do with tier set. there are...
ah ok is there specific item i should make then to tier set and put that on it?
rose escarp
hello guys should i go assa or sub for rbgs? it feels like i got 0 kill pressure...
feel the same in solo arena xD
potent pivot
hello guys should i go assa or sub for rbgs? it feels like i got 0 kill pressure...
either is fine
indigo zealot
feel the same in solo arena xD
yeah thats what i mean with soloq. if the other player arent braindead you cant kill shit as sub
potent pivot
lol