pvp

[lusty forum]

Ill check it thank you !

[jaunty osprey]

It’s good when he plays rogue or with rogues and does bad

it’ll make sure we get buffed

[potent pivot]

did u see the clip of him losing to a rogue

[jaunty osprey]

5HEAD PLAY BY OUR GOAT

yes, he had incap

did 200k damage

and was just awful

nothing to do w sub rogue being good

he karmas the statue and when it breaks he doesnt even press incap

[final dew]

i just discovered that you can use secret technique right after dance SS and it hits...way hard

[potent pivot]

Big Mage doesn't want you to know !

[minor relic]

hello people quick noobie question, does the quality increase the effect or is it just for crafting rank ? we don't care for pvp gear we just get r1 ?

[potent pivot]

quality doesn't matter for crafted pvp gear

@spring bough i found you

[spring bough]

lol

[outer sky]

Oh god theres 2 of them

[minor relic]

yeah, so it does not change the amount of stats gained

wait there is more than 2

[potent pivot]

correct

[minor relic]

I crossed a couple before, it was vancleef transmog tho not the name haha

[minor relic]

and these items are a must

[jaunty osprey]

Have fun with your curios in your bag

you can’t delete them

or do anything with them

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[final dew]

with Rotten talent, if you cheap shot, SS, blades, kidney, SD, secret

it hits almost 100k in pvp

[raven talon]

whi nothing says enchant on this slot

166 selflifesteal

[potent pivot]

Why would you cheap then kidney

[final dew]

to stun lock

[potent pivot]

There is a shoulders enchant listed in the #1283780831147589713 for speed

[potent pivot]

You should basically never cheap->kidney

[fiery turret]

Kidney is a long ass stun bro use that on someone fresh from dr

[final dew]

😮

i am talking about my opener

cheap then kidney, is that not full duration?

[potent pivot]

No

[final dew]

they almost always trink the kidney

gets them to blow cd

[potent pivot]

You are wasting kidney

[harsh kiln]

They really need to make shuriken toss apply crippling poison.

[potent pivot]

Do you understand how DRs work?

[final dew]

i thought i used to, guess not anymore though

havent played in many expansions

[potent pivot]

If you cheap->kidney then kidney will only be like 2.5sec

Which is a waste of combo points and your kidney CD

[final dew]

is stun locking not a thingi anymore?

[gilded gulch]

kidney healer then cheap kill target?

thought thats normal

nowadays at least

[outer sky]

You can stun somebody twice every 16s

[potent pivot]

You are coming into this without context

[outer sky]

But they won't be full duration

1st one will be full duration

[potent pivot]

You can cheap->cheap for that

[outer sky]

2nd one will be half

[gilded gulch]

you cant triple stun the same person nowaday

[potent pivot]

Never cheap->kidney

That has never been a thing

[gilded gulch]

outside of super niche shit

like blade dance dodging kidneys

[queen grail]

solo shuffle is really fun

[outer sky]

I did it in 2s yesterday vs another sub rogue. Both our healers were OOM and we were both out of defensives and at like 20% hp. He kidney>bombed me while he was still on stun DR. I trinketed and DR kidney'd him and finished hin

But yeah super niche

[final dew]

im like a 1200 rating rogue ngl. just trying to have fun

[outer sky]

Ill do that one out of 100 games

[final dew]

ive always, my whole life, opened with cheap shot, used cds, ambush, kidney etc.

20/45 in solo and 2/7 in blitz lol

[fiery turret]

But why? You get the same result doing double cheap shot

And you save your kidney

I think that’s their point

You can do it sure it’s just a wasteful use of a CD and PvP comes down to trading CDs

[final dew]

not saying youre wrong, but kidney is a longer stun. 2x cheap vs 1x cheap 1x kidney shouldn't be the same...on paper

[hybrid palm]

Does the rank of the embellishment determine its power or just crafting ease ?

[potent pivot]

Then your kidney before the opener man

I’m trying to tell you how to do things properly cuz you’re kinda throwing

[final dew]

i did used to do that when marked for death was arounfd. id mark kidney

[potent pivot]

Material rank does not matter for pvp crafts

[final dew]

idk when they got rid of that move though lol

[gilded gulch]

because it was dumb strong

probably

[final dew]

i appreciate the knowledge

i do though at least 50% of the time

i know i do

throw

[gilded gulch]

assa being able to kidney double env someone with toxic blade

was kinda gross at times

[potent pivot]

So learn how to do better

No big deal

[final dew]

i am, slowly, kinda

[potent pivot]

[gilded gulch]

dont most people nowadays mid game kidney healer

[final dew]

im decent in 1v1

[gilded gulch]

then cheap dps

[final dew]

booty in anything more

[potent pivot]

Ya

[gilded gulch]

though i think with current drs you cant sap off only a kidney right

[potent pivot]

No

[final dew]

do you guys reccomend any addons for area specifically or diminshing returns tracking?

[potent pivot]

Arena Core

[final dew]

anyone want to duel?

curious to see how different someone who is 2k rating actually is

Trickz fyi the import code for Trickster doesn't work in the Pinned section

[potent pivot]

Worked for me yesterday

[gloomy lichen]

i am at conquest cap. If i wait to turn in a sparks of war quest until the start of next week can i get the conquest?

[potent pivot]

Weeklies reset every week

So no

[final dew]

why is Thousand Cuts preferred over Flickerstrike?

also, i havent been able to find a 2s partner for 3 hours straihg, do people just not play with randoms anymore?

[potent pivot]

A lot of people check pvp experience

[potent pivot]

Because it’s better is the simplest answer

[final dew]

ive been asking in trade, are they just searching my name somewhere?

[potent pivot]

Why would you look in trade chat

There’s an LFG tab in game

[final dew]

just what ive always done, didnt realize it wasnt a thing anymore

[potent pivot]

Yea hasn’t been for a very long time

And yes people will look you up on check-pvp.fr

Gotta find or make a listing for your CR/level

“Chill/learning” etc

[final dew]

my guy isnt on that site you posted surely because ive just realm transfered

found someone in LFG in like 3 min...man times have changed

[stoic spruce]

I swear this is a cheat code

I never waiting in LFG for more than 5 minutes using this

Chill/fun game

[dark kernel]

https://x.com/i/status/2035103548661170546

Justin (@MysticalTheMonk)

PvP friends, a very good addon has dropped: MyDrs

Tracks your own DRs and the glow shows that you are immune to the DR school!

The author had me testing it today and didn't have any issues with it at all :)

https://t.co/d6HdJZszK6

X · Mar 20, 2026, 9:17 PM

[potent pivot]

Hmm

[dark kernel]

He's a pretty notable person in the community so I felt comfortable posting it here

[potent pivot]

Who

[dark kernel]

The guy who made the add-on, he doesn't play a rogue

[potent pivot]

Mystical?

[dark kernel]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

Mystical didn’t make it no?

[dark kernel]

Oh maybe you're right. Weird he's the first person I've seen it from

[potent pivot]

There’s no issues posting it either way

Mystical tweeted about it for the author

The author is oscarqt idk

[spring bough]

That’s the classic way

[severe helm]

ooo that looks nice

Ive been missing seeing my own DRs

I love how much more work I have to put in to get the exact same UI as in TWW

very good use of resources from blizzard

[dark kernel]

It's pretty much the only thing I wanted left

[outer sky]

Actually comical how badly they failed at what they were trying to do

[severe helm]

utter and complete failure

complete waste of everyones time

[dark kernel]

I think honestly. The add-on Purge was more marketing technique than a reality

I have 100% wish it worked, and we had a better functioning ui, but ultimately I think just talking about it did bring some more people back

[severe helm]

I dont think addon purge means anything to anyone who isnt already subbed

[dark kernel]

By itself you're correct, but with the class simplification I think that targeted classic players

Current Rogue is probably just as easy to play as TBC Rogue

[potent pivot]

They just changed a raid debuff to a regular aura too

Everyone was crying that a dispell was a private aura lol

[dark kernel]

I saw that

I'm not going to lie, it was kind of comical though because the screenshot floating around was the dude with the black on black on purple freaking raid frames

Like dog no shit you have trouble seeing that

[potent pivot]

The fact that only a few people have Omnibar

I don’t see how that isn’t causing way more drama?

[dark kernel]

Now that's an interesting one. People have a functioning one?

[potent pivot]

Mvq’s team

[dark kernel]

That has to be the stuff that their UI developers at liquid and echo made themselves

Oh no shot

I haven't seen them play

[potent pivot]

No

[dark kernel]

Let me guess you can get access to it if you subscribe to their stream

[potent pivot]

It was part of mvqUI until curseforge took down the addon for having exploits

Now only he and his team have it

[potent pivot]

Nope

[dark kernel]

Well fortunately I don't have to play against mvq anytime soon

[potent pivot]

He plays in NA

[dark kernel]

Yeah but not on my rating

I agree he needs to not have it, but it's never going to personally affect me this time

Once he starts selling his pack privately though that's a different story

[potent pivot]

It’s already been shared around a little

No idea how much

[outer sky]

Ive queued into him once hes not even that good you can beat him

Died on his DH never used a single defensive

Look at this clown

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sub-rogue-massive-cc-pruning-or-80-damage-nerf-when/2276689

80% damage nerf lmfao

[potent pivot]

“If you’re bad at the game just say that”

[outer sky]

https://check-pvp.com/us/Stormrage/Iridikron

Its always these people with no xp

Challenger every season since wod

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Until last season

And got elite last season in blitz

[dark kernel]

In fucking sane

These people get listened to

I have a rank1 warlock telling me the same and that demo is fine

You just can't make this shitnup

[outer sky]

Idk how a demo lock can die to anything in this current meta

2 gates

Port

Axe toss while stunned

Fear

Howl

Coil

Dark pact while stunned

Wall while stunned

Healthstone

[dark kernel]

not to mention our FULL rotation cannot still break demo dark pact

LOL

[uneven flare]

does sub rogue still want 18% haste in pvp or is mastery just way better

[potent pivot]

It ends up being slightly more than 18%

[outer sky]

Still wants that amount of haste

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[potent pivot]

You go by the actual stat rating not %

[uneven flare]

thank you!

[outer sky]

I wouldnt care if they nerfed sub if they have the other 2 specs their spammable cheap shot back

@potent pivot

https://check-pvp.com/us/Tichondrius/Arøna

Max xp rival

PvPd almost every season since legion

Max rating 1820

As a druid

Oh sorry that 1820 is in blitz

[molten hedge]

BASED

[minor relic]

I just did this ...

instead of belt + boots

[outer sky]

Max arena xp is 1640 in shuffle

[outer sky]

I swear if they gut the last rogue spec remaining because of people like this...

[potent pivot]

Comment that

Let em know

[outer sky]

Ive done it so many times man

[spring bough]

Based. When notes nerfing this BS

[outer sky]

Like im not saying you need to be rank 1 to have a valid opinion but if you cant even get duelist in arena then how can you comment on game balance? The game has never been so unbalanced that you couldnt get 2100 rating as literally any spec. So if somebody cant then that means theyre making so many mistakes that you cant really consider their opinion much becasue things will only feel balanced to them when they can still make those mistakes and win

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

This guy hasn’t even played rated yet?

[outer sky]

Nope

Here's another one

https://check-pvp.com/us/Twisting Nether/Sillylilguy

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/arbius-aius-how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-squidward-gif-6854007841837839545

[stoic spruce]

god I wish that was still in the game lol

[potent pivot]

The iridikon guy made an even dumber one

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/please-either-give-all-spammable-cc-1-minute-cds-or-remove-the-cds-from-all-cdd-cc/2276319

[rough rock]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/additional-midnight-class-tuning-incoming-march-24th-380891

New tuning

[outer sky]

He thinks its still too broken because you can blind a healer mid cast and since that means they probably havent done anything to give combat in the last second, then by the time blind ends combat will have dropped and they can be sapped. Also he thinks stun>blind>sap is too OP

[potent pivot]

Ooh

[jolly sierra]

wat

[stoic spruce]

we're so back

[dark kernel]

NO SUB NEEFS EAT SHIT LOLOLOL

Fuck them people

[outer sky]

Omg we didnt get nerfed

[potent pivot]

More assa buffs @jaunty osprey

More assa buffs @jaunty osprey

More assa buffs @jaunty osprey

[dark kernel]

You and me have the same mindset, we just want to have one viable PVP spec

[outer sky]

And outlaw

[dark kernel]

And right now sub is also a lot of fun

[potent pivot]

[novel karma]

Another buff to outlaw, the time is coming

[potent pivot]

They’re doing the right thing

[outer sky]

Not quite. I want to have one spec that's still a rogue which means being able to multi stun. How its tuned is secondary to that for me.

[potent pivot]

Buffing under performers

[jaunty osprey]

I GOT 3 PINGS - DID ASSA GET BUFFED OR DID SOMEONE DIE

[stoic spruce]

LMAOO

[jaunty osprey]

I DIDNT READ ANYTHIN YET

[potent pivot]

They’re buffing devastation?

[outer sky]

Assa and outlaw 4% buff

[jaunty osprey]

R my stonks UP

[stoic spruce]

BY 4%

[potent pivot]

I’m surprised they’re buffing deva

That shit is already rly good

[rough rock]

Nah someone is paying for no sub changes

Un real

Actually unreal

[potent pivot]

Nah

[rough rock]

WE UP

[potent pivot]

It’s allowed to be good

It’s never truly good

[rough rock]

It lost all skill gap

[stoic spruce]

youre baiting me

[rough rock]

Doesn’t need to be this good lmao

2 button spec

[potent pivot]

Why not

[outer sky]

I wasnt going to drink tonight but I may have a few beers and just enjoy watching people freak out on the forums

[potent pivot]

As if nothing else is just as strong

[stoic spruce]

all 3 rogue specs have been S tier since wrath but with midnight only Sub gets to be good

[potent pivot]

So only nerf sub so all 3 suck?

[rough rock]

Because it overshadows every other spec

It should not be the tankiest + easiest + most cc + plus most damage

[potent pivot]

That what you’re telling me?

[rough rock]

Spec as in rogues

[potent pivot]

So buff the worse specs

[stoic spruce]

assa and outlaw are good too but sub is leagues better

again

[rough rock]

You’re expecting blizzard to go the hard route that everyone wants

[outer sky]

Imagine having 2 of your 3 specs sucking and your main complaint is that the 3rd one doesnt suck too

[rough rock]

Takes more effort

[potent pivot]

Crazy innit

[rough rock]

I’m totally fine with it doing most damage

[stoic spruce]

they dont suck, rogues just have a victim complex worse than ret pvers

[rough rock]

But should not be tankiest + most cc

Needs only one of those

[stoic spruce]

I have never seen anyone more whiney than a rogue in pvp

[rough rock]

I’ve seen the dk discord

Those guys whine all day

[stoic spruce]

idk about the pve channels

but the pvp channels is usually justified

[potent pivot]

Crazy lie

[rough rock]

They literally said for the last few days that uh was dead

Lmao

[stoic spruce]

imagine your spec being SSS tier in pve and garbo in pvp

because blizz forgot PvP mods exist

[rough rock]

UHDK is literally one of the best specs in PvP despite the “nerfs”

Then they get the ret treatment

[outer sky]

When did we shut the discord down?

[rough rock]

Nice to see shaman getting buffs tho

[stoic spruce]

before the hotfix no

[rough rock]

Alright dude

[stoic spruce]

if yall could yall would

absolutely

110%

[potent pivot]

They actually buffed fdk like I said they should nice

Just missing the arms buff

[rough rock]

I usually wait till 2nd season to play dk so nice to see frost is looking good

[stoic spruce]

wont matter, disarm is still 45s CD

[potent pivot]

Lol?

[rough rock]

Oh finally the orb build won’t be the only arcane build

FINALLY

THANK GOD

[stoic spruce]

you maybe not

but most others absolutely

[jolly sierra]

guys does even worth to have r3 enchants on gear? some enchants are barely 2 digits, like the ones for boots wtf

[rough rock]

Ahh of course they slam holy paladin but let disc and mw be amazing lmao

New season same shit

[potent pivot]

Yeah. There’s a much cheaper ring enchants though that’s barely worse. Amani mastery

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw/Disc 2s to the moon

[potent pivot]

They nerfed mw and disc no?

[rough rock]

Nothing meaningful

Disc will still do wild damage

FW will still do wild damage

Which I’m not opposed too

If they buffed the other healer specs

[potent pivot]

-8% healing isn’t meaningful?

[outer sky]

Weapon chains still work

[rough rock]

On mw? Not at all lmao

[jolly sierra]

there is something dirty cheap here

[stoic spruce]

ancient knowledge...

[rough rock]

That’s like the 20% dk nerf, did nothing since they were miles ahead of damage

[jolly sierra]

like the versa enchant for ring

37g the max rank wtf

[rough rock]

My favorite (insert streamer here) tier list said so, you’re all wrong and they are right

[potent pivot]

Only outlaws can get buffed and complain

[severe helm]

I think its pretty big

for mw

[potent pivot]

Same

[severe helm]

healing is very much a breakpoint thing

you can heal 5% above everyones damage

and make people feel immortalt

[rough rock]

Not when you’re doing x2 other healers

[severe helm]

as soon as youre healing below the threshold to keep peoples hp stable

[rough rock]

Okay 1.5x

[severe helm]

then you feel like youre constantly dying

they arent though

8% goes a long way

for healers

[rough rock]

Idk we’ll see

[severe helm]

Im surprised disc damage didnt get nerfed

gona keep doing top damage in my games

lol

[rough rock]

Need to gear my disc soon

Figure once I get my FW geared it’ll be gone for the rest of the expac again

[stoic spruce]

either disc or hpal should be the best healer

[jaunty osprey]

ok wait, I’m still working

[stoic spruce]

nothing else

[jaunty osprey]

BE BACK SOON

[stoic spruce]

MW can suck it though

[jaunty osprey]

EXCITED

THO

[jolly sierra]

did a weird mix with enchants in speed

barely got 6% more speed

xd

[rough rock]

So at this point in 12.5 outlaws getting a 18% damage buff no?

Or is it next patch

[severe helm]

4% is next march 24th

[waxen meteor]

someone tagged me?

[potent pivot]

Idk check notifications

[waxen meteor]

seems wrong display nvm

[stoic spruce]

dmg go up? Good day :)

[rough rock]

Ahh okay I was counting the March 17th as well

My bad

[waxen meteor]

2-3 with a random fire mage, he has all gear but somehow only 280k hp not sure what’s going on

Then 8-0 with my healer now I am max conquest lol

[jaunty osprey]

OH MY

ASSA STONKS

IMA KEEP SANDBAGGING

WE NEED MOAR

[severe helm]

oh tru

i mean outlaw was down bad haha

it needed it

[outer sky]

Unstable Affliction now lasts 12 seconds in PvP combat (was 8 seconds), a 50% increase in its total damage dealt.

I love how theyre like

[severe helm]

I think outlaws still in an awkward spot having the least cc of the 3 specs

and the weakest burst

not sure where the spec fits in the meta

[outer sky]

"Here's how much more damage that is for all yall that cant do math"

[severe helm]

bro

are you not surprised?

[outer sky]

Thats the thing. It doesnt fit in the meta.

[severe helm]

lol

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, plays around having CDR and Vanish to do damage

but doesn’t do enough damage where CC doesn’t matter

doesn’t have enough CC to kill

[outer sky]

Taking vanish off restless blades was such a massive nerf

[dark moon]

a friend of mine made me an addon for the combo points, im so happy

[jaunty osprey]

There’s a cvar that can enable that

betterblizzframes has an option too

[dark moon]

i dont want to use bbf

but how do i access the cvar

addon?

[gilded gulch]

bruh combo pts on target

[jaunty osprey]

you can just install BBF click it on the combo point thing

[gilded gulch]

is this classic

[jaunty osprey]

then remove the addon

[dark moon]

no its retail

[jaunty osprey]

But you can just keep your current addon nbd

[gilded gulch]

yeah im saying combo pts on target just seems ineffective

[dark moon]

this didnt work for me

[gilded gulch]

unless boomer that refuses to change

[dark moon]

im the guy that refuses to change, cause im used to tracking them there

[potent pivot]

I heard the cvar stopped working correctly after they changed the UI a bunch

When they added edit mode n all that

[jaunty osprey]

It was working a few days ago

[misty tiger]

I have two 289 pvp pieces with the rest 276 pvp, the two pvp trinket set bonus but I still have like 60k less health than most with the same gear. is there something big I'm missing?

[outer sky]

Wait what they nerfed Pres???

[jaunty osprey]

0 addons

A few days ago

[dark moon]

wtf

[potent pivot]

I’m just saying what I heard. If you play with the size of it the frame it breaks it

No idea if true or not

[potent pivot]

You’re able to get 4 289 this week

[jaunty osprey]

5 if you mess up like me

😭

[misty tiger]

I'm seeing people with full aspirants with like 450k health and I'm at 415 though. Definitely shooting for my last two 289 pieces soon

[potent pivot]

Different classes maybe?

Other classes can have more hp

[rough rock]

Yeah idk they just hate Pres and rsham

[misty tiger]

comparing to monks and dh so I suppose it definitely could be

[outer sky]

There's a weird bug where sometimes gear is scaling to ilvl 295 in pvp

[potent pivot]

That’s not it no

[misty tiger]

I also have stam enchants where they don't. Weird stuff. Thanks lads

[gilded gulch]

does gladius still work

idr

[potent pivot]

Get Arena Core

Maker of sArena Reloaded got the latest maker of Gladius banned from curseforge

sArena Reloaded kind of a buggy mess

So arena core is the best one now

[gilded gulch]

banned for what lmfao

[potent pivot]

“Copying code”

Bunch of real weirdo drama

[jaunty osprey]

On the slands arena maps

[outer sky]

Is it only that map? I didnt even notice that

What an odd bug

[wheat salmon]

if i want to play pve and pvp did i mess up making my conq helm into a tier

[potent pivot]

Sorta

[wheat salmon]

[potent pivot]

Once you get 4 set you get catalyst charge drops

so it’s kinda whatever

But you’re down 1 charge for pve set for now

[wheat salmon]

should i make my shoulders PVE into tier then just buy the 875 thingy instead?

since im close to 1600 so ill get the second one

[ocean thunder]

what sort of drama is this?

[outer sky]

Is it true we can get 4 set next week?

Ive heard people say that

[potent pivot]

If you pve

[outer sky]

Ok so no

[tribal ridge]

So, now that season is out, what's the spec people are trying for Battlegrounds? I have been playing Sub, but considering to give a shot at Outlaw. Just uncertain at viability.

[spring bough]

4% so shitty

GG outlaw

[outer sky]

Stick with sub

Trust us

[potent pivot]

Just play any of them for BGs

Doesn’t matter

[spring bough]

oh wow sub somehow missed pvp nerfs

GG meta for season

[potent pivot]

Probably

[tribal ridge]

[snow harness]

does anyone know if myth crests will be given from winning rated games at 2100? im getting champ crests at 1600

[ocean thunder]

afaik yes, people said so

@potent pivot do you know if you can setup focus click for arena core? for example I had middle mouse click on gladius -> focus

[snow harness]

its garuntee every win right? or random

[dark kernel]

I'm sorry my brother

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure u can

[outer sky]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-tuning-notes/2276719

This is so satisfying to read through

[ocean thunder]

A scandal!

[outer sky]

Their tears are delicious

[pliant spoke]

dont buy weapons until you hit 2500 conquest points. youll get free ones.

[outer sky]

Good timing. About to have dinner and could use some salt

[jaunty osprey]

There are a couple of Sland maps!! But ya

[outer sky]

Right i forgot about the necrolord one

Like how does that even happen

[gleaming sentinel]

Sub can eat, go get em

Just don’t forget the pirates

(We hate you too though, fr)

[outer sky]

You shouldn't

[spring bough]

blitz chat is wild right now... somehow up to 2200 mmr and people yelling at each other.... always love a good season LOL

[marble oasis]

I'm curious how much people are losing their mind that "sub isn't getting nerfed" while other specs are

[gleaming sentinel]

No rogue likes fighting other rogues in shuffle

[pliant spoke]

Ive never heard of this site imma check it out

[outer sky]

Yeah I feel that. The game of chicken to see who opens first is always so zzzzzz

[outer sky]

Its immaculate man theyre going crazy its beautiful

[gleaming sentinel]

But I’m totally good with rogues beating these nerds

[marble oasis]

Had someone in a BG earlier keep blowing his trinket on a gouge before slamming a kidney and killing him. oh holy balls the emote spam and the training he tried to for the rest of the match.

i was dying of laugher at the end

That special kind of self inflicted tilt that only gets fixed by going to bed

[spring bough]

priest in my blitz's name is Chatbanssuck

[hybrid sapphire]

whats the good news fellow rogues

[marble oasis]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-march-24/2276710/1

[hybrid sapphire]

get fucked sub new top dog big boss in town

[marble oasis]

TLDR:
underperforming rogue specs getting little nudged up
Big thorns for us getting knocked down

[marble oasis]

That cheap shot CD reset says hi 😛

[hybrid sapphire]

wheres ur silence bro

👊 garrotes u 👊

[marble oasis]

don't need one they already dead

i do need to have a play with assa though. not really touched it at all this expac which is a shame

was almost exclusively pvping with it in s3 tww

[hybrid sapphire]

Fuck if i buy conq that means i have to commit to mast or haste. I've been doing the full haste experiment on my honor gear

[marble oasis]

yeh :/ i think going haste is less punishing for assa. that secret tech CDR is pretty brutal without haste but i could work.

won't really know till people have gear

[hybrid sapphire]

i thought there was a stat prio pin somewhere but maybe im mistaken cc DJ@potent pivot

[pliant mauve]

So there’s like no way to highlight spells like nullifying shroud and all that shit is there? Do I just need to get better at looking at tiny icons?

I mean they probably glow or something and I can use my eyes but just checking.

[marble oasis]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[hybrid sapphire]

ty sis

[marble oasis]

So i'm personally going the sub path to me very minorly 'suboptimal' for assa but not awful for sub if i went vers/mastery

[hybrid sapphire]

I guess i'll give in to this Big Mastery propaganda

sad day

[indigo tiger]

[spring bough]

rival set unlocked for the DH... now to do rogue or not to do rogue lol

[outer sky]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/looking-for-the-rogue-nerfs-in-the-patch-notes/2276796

[hybrid sapphire]

spoken like a true guy named carryme

[fading blade]

all these posts are from venruki subs

[severe helm]

Nerf sub

[hybrid sapphire]

🙂‍↕️

[outer sky]

Go post about it on the forums. Im making a collage

[severe helm]

Nerf sub

It's the BM hunter of rogue

[spring bough]

when is next pass

send it and double the nerf

3 weeks i think?

[hybrid sapphire]

ijbol

[severe helm]

You know it's bad when even your own people hate the spec

[spring bough]

i just want outlaw to be something its not idek anymore

4% dmg just so meh lol

[stoic spruce]

It doesn't have lockdown or support capability anymore so it kinda has to be a sustain dmg bot

[severe helm]

Outlaw is not a rogue

It's just a shitty warrior now

[stoic spruce]

Unless TLT is another Legion esque expansion but I doubt that

[spring bough]

maybe we will feel like rogues using cloud cover in 0.05

[severe helm]

Doesn't change much imo

[spring bough]

but its a big cloud

[pastel burrow]

cloud cover is gonna change everything

[spring bough]

rogue type stuff idk

[pastel burrow]

Cloud cover is the saviour of rogue trust

My dads nephew lives near the blizzard building

[spring bough]

imagine how many healers itll fool thinking its smoke bomb and maybe theyll just not heal out of habit

[outer sky]

Exactly. Thats the problem. Id be more accepting of sub nerfs if the other specs were still rogues

[spring bough]

give me back cheap spam pls

[stoic spruce]

One good thing about Outlaw being what it is is that people won't know how to counter

[pastel burrow]

idk how shot in the dark isn't just a class talent

[outer sky]

Literally just revert the cheap shot change and this becomes so much better

Then we can throw sub in the gutter who cares

[spring bough]

counter what lol

[stoic spruce]

Don't play coy

[spring bough]

2 fears the second i hit ADR? fucked

healer didnt dispell? fucked

[outer sky]

They do that just by loading into the arena

[stoic spruce]

Oh right

Rogue disc

[dark kernel]

I'm still erect

[stoic spruce]

Nvm

[spring bough]

devourer gonna be a fun time this season

oh shit we get crests from blitz now

[severe helm]

Yeah counter our HUGE ZERO IN BTE NUKE

[pliant spoke]

I'm seeing some people on YouTube. Just stack versatility and mastery as high as it can get them. Would that be more beneficial for burst stacking mastery and ignoring the extra time and dance and shortened secret technique CD?

[severe helm]

You don't understand how insane outlaw is when you have no pressure cuz you afk hold bte between kidneys to stack zero in

And then ONE SHOT someone with 450k hp with your 150k bte

It's insane

[rose wigeon]

Youre responding to a bot. Stack mastery and vers and win ez

[short vale]

does recrtafting pvp gear

lower the stats

it shows lower stats but its because of the quality change right?

239 > 233 ilvl

[potent pivot]

Dumb imo

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

You might lose pve ilvl

That’s all

[severe helm]

could argue theres no reason to have a dance thats longer than double cheap shot

imo

might be the logic nahj/whaaz have rn

[potent pivot]

Nahj says haste is good

[severe helm]

how much though

like obv past a certain point dance doesnt need to be longer

[potent pivot]

The ~18% 600-700

[severe helm]

yeah that makes sense to me

[potent pivot]

That’s what we recommend here

[rose wigeon]

Kalvish says all mastery

[dim dagger]

do you also want to apex the DN evis in pvp or you dont really care

[potent pivot]

Not even true

[rose wigeon]

i think it doesnt actually matter but imo rogue wins in goes, so harder hitting dances out weight the 2 extra globals, the haste translates poorly

[rose wigeon]

on stream he literally crafted all mastery and said this

[dim dagger]

might depend on comp

[potent pivot]

Even kalv says he thinks around 200 haste is good

[rose wigeon]

i could see that

[dim dagger]

but with engi items mastery can go big and yea 200 first extra global then 700

[rose wigeon]

there is haste on tier set, you just get a little haste, but over all it seems he is heavy leaning into mastery and so was Whaazz, whaazz did 2 rogues, 1 haste 1 mastery and said the mastery felt beter

[potent pivot]

We don’t play ds

[potent pivot]

[fathom crag]

i swapped to 12% haste in pvp rest mastery and i do think it’s better if ur queuing ww rogue or rmp but if ur playing sp rogue or rogue lock + shuffle i’d say haste better

[dim dagger]

oh even better

[outer sky]

Hey guys, what talents do I have to pick up to be able to keep somebody stunned for 8 seconds?

[waxen meteor]

Become a NPC

then kidney is 8 second stun

OP

[hybrid sapphire]

literally what tf is the new epic bg. how are you supposed to play it

[outer sky]

Its an EBG. You're not supposed to

[hybrid sapphire]

its purple af

[severe helm]

stunned 50% of the game

and somehow youre making excuses

nerf sub

[outer sky]

Not you too

[severe helm]

nerf sub

[outer sky]

Please tell me you're joking

[severe helm]

nerf sub

[outer sky]

Or do you really believe that

[severe helm]

nerf sub

what does it sound like

[hybrid sapphire]

whats the name of these things? idk how to search

[outer sky]

You understand this isn't possible, right?

[severe helm]

you understand nerf sub right?

[outer sky]

No thats a no, okay

Glad I didn't waste my time

[severe helm]

thats what I thought

[hybrid sapphire]

is it still algari?

no its thalassian thank you rogue discord

[dark moon]

Not really he thinks that haste might be better

[potent pivot]

I think haste is better because it’s more overall damage and gives you more leeway to try and get sneaky saps off

I can see wanting to stick to mostly mastery for blitz because it’s very touch and go fighting wise

[potent pivot]

You’re trolling right

[severe helm]

never

[potent pivot]

Why can no one ever be ok with sub being good

We let mm be good for entire seasons

[rose wigeon]

Anyone have any idea why the top assa rogue is running no deathmark and no KB, surely thats just a troll log out build right

[severe helm]

how are sub players not able to tell the difference between it being good and it being op

[potent pivot]

Ret

Etc

[severe helm]

nerf those too

easy specs should be B tier at the highest

[potent pivot]

You can beat sub

[rose wigeon]

every spec is easy

[severe helm]

its a relative term

[potent pivot]

It is ya

Yw

[rose wigeon]

not really, you are calling sub rogue an easy spec, have you every played mm hunter, or arms warrior, or UHDK, or Devestation evoker, or Havoc DH lol

[potent pivot]

😉

[rose wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-al-crazy-wow-creepy-nuts-gif-5547782

was looking into the talents and trying to find if its a cook or cooked lol, but there is no way right? right?

[potent pivot]

He started doing that a couple seasons ago

Kinda funny

[severe helm]

I stand by what I said

[rose wigeon]

lmao i did that a few times in the past, iv been workshopping assa rogue alot trying to make things work, damage feels good but the KB nerf hurt bad

[dark kernel]

Do you guys like me yet

Oi

[rose wigeon]

hey buddy

[dark kernel]

It's Herotherato

[rose wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dance-gif-4982762588848687194

[dark kernel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rat-omiom-keltatf-yEXiCwXfpANbBFr2p4

[outer sky]

He thinks you can stun somebody for 8 seconds in pvp

[gusty hedge]

Put supercharger on shadowblades
Rather Make Adrenaline Rush 20sec cd

[potent pivot]

I will not stand for all of this rogue on rogue hate

[gleaming sentinel]

i for one welcome our sub overlords, just stay out of my shuffle games

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-prepare-war-gif-6743424214607568614

Bring it ONNNNNN

[hybrid sapphire]

arent we like the 2nd least played class

[hidden moth]

i got a quest to get a war crate in slayer rise

but everyone is hostile here horde and ally

is this like a only 1 gets

[hybrid sapphire]

no

if someone gets it their whole faction gets it

[hidden moth]

kinda annoying

since

its legit ffa

[hybrid sapphire]

just yell at them until they stop attacking your faction

thats what i do

[outer sky]

You dont do vigor/tea because during dance you dont need any more energy and outside of dance you no longer need to spend combo points to farm back dance charges. That means being energy starved outside of dance doesnt matter much and inside of it you don't need any more energy regen than you have without vigor/tea. And Cold Blood is just bad now. It doesn't do what it used to do.

This is complete garbage

In PvP you probably have like 13% crit

[hidden moth]

legit

noone got the crate before it despawned

this is dumb

[hybrid sapphire]

tell them in /1 too

[outer sky]

so a 13% chance to get a 10% increased crit chance on your next finishing move

not 10% more until you crit

no just on the next one

well

you dont need subterfuge for the defense

but yeah you gain the extra defensive of another vanish

subterfuge is still kinda nice though

because lets say youre in stealth

if you get pulled out

or have dots on you after you restealth

you can still open with a cheap shot before you dance

which means you dont need to use a global during dance to stun them

which means one extra damage global

in dance

[stoic spruce]

The falloff is crazy

[outer sky]

Thats what I'm here for

[stoic spruce]

The class tree capstone's didn't age well with the spec reworks

[outer sky]

Yeah but I think new Cold Blood is hilariously bad for a capstone. I dont even think we'd take it if it were higher up on the tree

[stoic spruce]

Oh for sure

I don't even think double vanish is capstone worthy tbh

Anymore*

Only sub takes it because the other options suck which is kinda crazy

[rough rock]

I’m excited for AOE blind again

On outlaw it’s gonna be fun saying nope to pet classes

[potent pivot]

There’s a couple people that do run CB

It’s just a lil extra damooj

[stoic spruce]

Just a wee lil bit?

Just a weee little bitty teeny tiny bit?

Dawww

[outer sky]

I cant for the life of me imagine running that shit over any other capstone

[potent pivot]

Jussaweelikkelbit innit m8

[stoic spruce]

Dawwww

Dude

You know what?

[potent pivot]

Some ppl just say fuck it cuz the vanish row isnt exactly mandatory anymore

[stoic spruce]

I'm a tiny bit surprised 7cp rogue made it to midnight

I get why people like it obv but like

It doesn't really impact gameplay

I don't have a hate boner for it or anything

[hybrid sapphire]

its kinda boring imo

[stoic spruce]

Eating up talent points

[hybrid sapphire]

like "i guess" talent point

flavorwise i mean

[outer sky]

I ran the math on that. It looks like this if I did it correctly.

If I have 13% crit, and each builder crit gives +10% crit to my next finisher, and I use two builders per finisher, then each builder has a 13% chance to proc the buff.

The chance that at least one of the two builders crits is 1 − (0.87 × 0.87) = 24.31%. That means 24.31% of the time, my finisher gets +10% crit.

So the average increase to my finisher crit chance is 0.2431 × 10% = 2.43%. That brings my finisher from 13% to about 15.43% crit on average.

Since that 2.43% comes from two builders, each builder is worth about 1.22% additional finisher crit chance on average.

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-schizo-ok-schizo-schizophrenia-gibbon-gif-23667455

[rough rock]

I am ready to be home tomorrow and become the #1 outlaw

[hybrid sapphire]

ding 421.. im so close

[rough rock]

Coming for you @vocal surge

[outer sky]

#1 in terms of both rank and number of outlaw rogues

[waxen meteor]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[rough rock]

This will be my first expac with no rage swapping

I shall overcome my 2100 curse

[outer sky]

I think even assa may be better than outlaw rn

At least with assa you have the silence

[severe helm]

does each individual builder hit count?

like for PS or SS

[outer sky]

Its just any builder

If you crit with one you get an extra 10% chance to crit your NEXT finisher

[severe helm]

yeah but

like PS

each individual hit

can crit

right

not all together

same with SS

[outer sky]

Whats ps

[severe helm]

pistol shot

[outer sky]

Ah

Yeah each hit can crit

[severe helm]

so if you have 13% crit chance but PS hits 4 times

that means that PS has 4 opportunities to proc that

[outer sky]

Idk how it works with outlaw

[severe helm]

which means it has a 43% to proc it

per PS

[outer sky]

Strike only hits once

[severe helm]

at 13% crit

[rough rock]

I see a lot of outlaws running CB

[outer sky]

Could be why

[severe helm]

I dont lol

SC is so much better

cuz of the bug

[rough rock]

Ngl supercharger looks like a waste

[severe helm]

and you cant really drop vigor

supercharge is insane on outlaw

[rough rock]

With how poopy bte hits anyways

[severe helm]

its the only way youre ever gona kill

bte sucks

[hidden moth]

what even are mw rn

[severe helm]

but its still the only thing you have that does damage

[rough rock]

True

Send your build

Still running prep?

[outer sky]

Even if Mewo is right that outlaw has more crit opportunities than sub theres no way its good. It cant possibly be better than double vanish for outlaw because outlaw cant cheap shot without vanish

[severe helm]

ye

[rough rock]

Idk it’s just what I’m seeing with the top guys on murlok

Then again it’s week 1 murlok

Soooo

[severe helm]

CQQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZ2mxYmZMzsNzMzMjHwsxDMzMm2GsNDAAAAAwy2YGMzMzMmZGDAAAgZYgB2gZMaMbA2mwCDAmZmBD

[rough rock]

I’ll check it out when I’m finally back home tomorrow

[severe helm]

its nothing special

[rough rock]

What’s the gear prio so far for set?

[severe helm]

its essentially the pve st build

[stoic spruce]

That's what I'm running

https://tenor.com/view/telepathy-telepathic-psychic-mind-reader-meld-gif-13614415

(there are no options)

[severe helm]

was gona say

outlaw has very shit options

for talents

[stoic spruce]

Lol yeah

[severe helm]

ks is a meme

[stoic spruce]

Le sigh

[severe helm]

shorter bte cd is a meme

HO doesnt exist

oh wait

I sent the wrong build

this is my blitz pad build

CQQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZ2mxYmZMzsNzMzMjHwsxDMzMm2GsNDAAAAAwy2YGMzMzMmZGDAAAgZYgB2gZMaMbA2mwCDAmZmBD

this is my actual build

[stoic spruce]

Have I been using AoE in arena?

I may have been

[severe helm]

LOL

[stoic spruce]

Oops

[severe helm]

tbh its not that much a st loss

you just lose some opportunity proc chance

thats the big one

[stoic spruce]

Yeahhh

It be that way sometimes though

[severe helm]

I love that I have to give up important dps talents to get inc stam/move or short grapple

[stoic spruce]

Lately it be that way all the time though

[severe helm]

I might have to do that tbh

might run this instead

[stoic spruce]

I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it

[severe helm]

dropping heavy hitter and find an opening

and get short blind

and sleight ofhand

[spring bough]

I run this but 2/2 dispatcher when I play this god awful spec

[severe helm]

what do you drop for dispatcher

[spring bough]

And drop kir

[severe helm]

sleight?

ugh dropping kir

thats pain

maybe I have to though yeah

rip

nah it cant be

[spring bough]

I actually use 2/2 heavy and opp

[severe helm]

for 2nd dispatcher?

[severe helm]

yeah thats what I had before

you can drop move speed/short blind/sleight for opp talent

[stoic spruce]

Mewo I have a cook

You gotta hear me out though

A capstone that's good and actually engaging

Thoughts?

And not competitive with a talent in the middle of the tree

[spring bough]

Like BTE fully resetting cooldown and to 7cps with a consistent %

[stoic spruce]

Idk why but that made me think of a version of FTH but for BtE

[spring bough]

What if they made most of our damage pistol / bte and turned it to a mid range like 30 yards

[stoic spruce]

Too ret-like

I don't want anything in common with that FILTH

Kwim

[stoic spruce]

I can't believe they renamed MURDER

That's the real nerf

[vocal surge]

Hmm?

[stoic spruce]

Gross

@rough rock keep that to yourself

[rough rock]

To take your outlaw rank

[vocal surge]

Ah

I haven't played much PvP the past few days lol

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw rank may be uncontested for a while ngl lol

[vocal surge]

I gotta wait a few more hours before I can continue climbing

[grave basin]

So.... no sub nerfs....

[spring bough]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

[grave basin]

Bro wtf are they doing to arms

[potent pivot]

Weren’t needed anyway :)

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[spring bough]

Gd two button spam mannnnnnnnn

With a cheap spam

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481

[spring bough]

Hey at least we were top dps back then

[stoic spruce]

Sub even stole combat from us

Wtffff

[dark stump]

they need to nerf mm first

that thing is starting to give me ptsd

[grave basin]

They did

Hydra nerf

[vocal surge]

and assa stole subtley from sub rogues

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that makes sense actually

[spring bough]

Outlaw should steal bleeds

[stoic spruce]

Btw they tuned Vendetta the other day

[spring bough]

Sabre slash hmmmm

[stoic spruce]

Thought that was funny

[spring bough]

Wasn’t that 3 expansions ago

[stoic spruce]

Exactly

It was a conduit I think

Backend stuff but still

It's still "in the game" but not accessible

Idk why they do that

[outer sky]

Yes, we are net neutral

For real this time

[modest ore]

do i need to get the gold arcanoweave?

not sure what the difference in difficulty makes for this craft

[hidden moth]

this is an outdated garbonzo gif, it shows u press "rupture" dont think sub can use that button

[hidden moth]

nothing

crafting pvp gear, the quality of the item only affects pve ilvl but the pvp ilvl will be the same if its a grey quality or ultra giga chad chungus status

[waxen meteor]

damn i am only 611 haste

17%

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[waxen meteor]

ok at least reached the 2 extra global

[modest ore]

can i just focus vers/mastery conquest gear since my crafts have haste on them?

im startting to have a tough time knowing if ill be missing haste or not 🙁

[hidden moth]

is the awc server out can just do ur gear there

[modest ore]

awc server?

[dark stump]

isn't hydra multi target ? does it change to get hit by an 81k arcane shot in bg while farming honor ?

[potent pivot]

You will have haste on every piece except like maybe 5 pieces I don’t remember. Just keep checking your haste rating after hitting a pvp dummy in silver moon

[potent pivot]

611 isn’t bad. I go slightly more to make room for Coup

The “perfect” spot is around 685

[waxen meteor]

lol

i run into real pikaboo this time?

[pliant spoke]

yup

[modest ore]

empowered blessing of speed enchant for helm?

[potent pivot]

Idk if helm enchants are even a thing this season

[modest ore]

o

[pliant spoke]

they are

id go speed or leech

my personal preference is speed

[grave basin]

Killing your entire team with volley instant aimed is kinda big

[stoic spruce]

Imma be honest, with how every CDR spec lost CDR except outlaw, I wouldn't be surprised if Restless is next on the chopping block

I'm not betting that it will, I just wouldn't be surprised

Blizz doesn't seem to like CDR and outlaw is explicitly that

[vocal surge]

1400ms ping go brrr

[outer sky]

What is the cooldown on Life Cocoon right now?

It feels like its up every other go

did they shorten it?

[vocal surge]

when duel btw

waiting for my lag to drop lol

to queue Shuffle

[severe helm]

crazy playing a rogue and only have one stun every 30 seconds

[waxen meteor]

ok 2k mmr in arena

[grave basin]

you think blizzard gives a flying shit at this point?

you can see it in the way they tune

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[severe helm]

outlaw is getting piss aura buffs

doesnt change that the spec has literally no value

[grave basin]

special snowflake reworked specs/mages/ret always get extremely detailed buffs/nerfs to specific abilities

like precise 2% to this 9% to this

meanwhile rogues just get aura buffed and fuck off back to the peasant line

[stoic spruce]

Exactly my point

[grave basin]

it's so obvious rogue is a dead class to blizzard

just gives zero shits, aura buff them so number go up and people can say we tried

[severe helm]

except sub

sub getting the cheap shot talent is all I need to see

to know they put at least some effort

[grave basin]

they have the best tier set in the game too

wtf is 15% from 4pc

[severe helm]

yeah theyre gona go dummy hard

[stoic spruce]

Can't wait to kiss the ring

[severe helm]

popo is there a bug I dont know other than SC and stacking ZI that makes bte not do piss damage?

outlaw feels so fucking bad I cant even believe it

[stoic spruce]

Uh no not really

You just play into 90% damp

[severe helm]

why would htey let the game go that long

[stoic spruce]

They thought it'd be funny ig

[outer sky]

I still find the hook nerf so strange. Maybe its because ive always hated hook. So it being even slower feels extra bad. But I dont think ive ever once heard somebody complain that hook needed its speed nerfed. Maybe ive heard it shouldn't have 40 yard range from blitz players but otherwise that was the last thing on my radar to get nerfed

[severe helm]

they probably didnt realize they were even doing it

just deleting talents randomly

when reworking the tree

you have to remember its an intern working on outlaw

theyve never played wow

[gusty hedge]

dev dh gets instant port @cursor basically fast hook but faster

actually more of a @cursor shadowstep now that i think about it

[pastel burrow]

its so annoying cause you try to go after them and they're just like

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zz5qp3ELhQM

[outer sky]

Theres people who've been advocating for step to be made non targeted. I wouldnt mind that on a choice node with targeted step but id take current step 99/100 times

[potent pivot]

isn't it the exact same thing as havoc's but it just requires a reticle

[potent pivot]

you know what might be an actual good pvp talent

that mirage shit

i fucked with it the other day and it seemed kinda neat ngl

[outer sky]

Been thinking about that too. My problem is whenever I spec into it for a game I always forget to I have it so I never use it

Ive been dicking around with reduced CD friendly step. Especially into melee cleaves

It seems alright

[severe helm]

the cc change honeslty makes it feel so much worse