pvp

[outer sky]

Yeah thats what I was thinking too. But also I dont remember them saying they were lowering it

But I didn't get a catalyst charge

But I did get the challenger title

[severe helm]

I think its still 1600 isnt it?

challenge II maybe?

[potent pivot]

cata is still 1600 yea

[outer sky]

I could have sworn challenger was 1600

Are you playing outlaw?

[stoic lava]

I havent looked at anythnig midnight 😭

[severe helm]

disc

I think mmr/cr is bugged on healer rn

[outer sky]

I was gunna say

[severe helm]

its moving WAY too slow

[outer sky]

Maybe they thought healing shuffle was too enticing so they nerfed healer mmr gains

[severe helm]

More likelyt hey didnt think at all

cuz its blizzard

[outer sky]

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the fact that the season is officially live and the weapon chain enchant is still working?

[potent pivot]

reporting it daily

[spring bough]

Holy fed

Get this guy off the team

[outer sky]

I literally won a round in my last shuffle because the monks disarm on me ended in time for me to gouge the healer without gapping CC

[potent pivot]

you guys want everyone halving your disarms?

[outer sky]

Yes

[potent pivot]

thats craycray

[spring bough]

Sure lmao

[outer sky]

Id rather everyone get half durarions disarms than nobody

[severe helm]

Agreed

[outer sky]

Like in that last lobby, I 100% would have lost if I had to sit a full disarm

Healer had cocoon back im sure of it

[severe helm]

fuck this bug man

god blizzard is actually so bad at their job haha

I have to go 5-1 or higher to get rating

4-2 is 1

3-3 is 0

[brave estuary]

is it best to get 289 weapons first for gearing?

[potent pivot]

nah

we get free conq weps in a couple weeks

[brave estuary]

oh ok

[potent pivot]

rn craft belts/boots with arcanoweave seems to be good

conq helm/shoulders to catalyst into tier

[brave estuary]

ah ok ty

[lunar heron]

what gem are we using for diamond

23 primary stat and crit or flat primary

[potent pivot]

flat agi

[severe helm]

if we craft belt/boots this week i assume we spend conq on tier slot pieces?

so we can catalyze them?

[potent pivot]

yea

we're doing helm/shoulders for sub/assa

for law you prolly want legs/x

[molten hedge]

its bc youre playing the wrong class

[severe helm]

LOOOOOOOOL

this game is so bugged

[spring bough]

its kinda wild that mobs dont go passive in delves when u beat them lol

[molten hedge]

Bro wtf

[severe helm]

the game is literally broken

[potent pivot]

did you try relogging????

[severe helm]

it wont give me mmr

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

6-0 no mmr

[rough rock]

You have to be on outlaw

That’s insane though, did you try logging like trickz said?

[unique bronze]

why belt/boots?

[severe helm]

no this is a server side issue

[potent pivot]

more main stat, off pieces that don't interfere with tier, and they can have the embellishment on them

[severe helm]

man this mmr bug is brutal

4-2 0 rating again

[gentle turtle]

what items are you guys getting first

[potent pivot]

crafted belt/boots with arcanoweave and helm/shoulders to turn into tier

for sub/assa

[snow harness]

sus ^

[potent pivot]

?

[gentle turtle]

wdym?

[severe helm]

NICE a 4-2 for 16 rating

to finish it off

fuck this bug holy shit

I hope my other characters dont have this issue

41-25 to get to 1600

[spring bough]

Only took me 42 rounds 😭

[severe helm]

yeah idk if its a healer thing or what

prob will be fine on my rogue

or maybe its cuz I didnt play last season

[spring bough]

Sounds like a healer thing

[severe helm]

so the mmr code is just broken cuz I didnt have any previous season mmr

gona suck to actually try to push on this char

at this rate ill need 1000 games to hit 2k

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[potent pivot]

@gentle turtle

[gentle turtle]

so its 2x arcanoweave? sorry for questions just catching up

[potent pivot]

yea

welp my auction for green heraldries got bought and my gold is nowhere to be found

you love to see it

[ocean thunder]

dang and i leveled JC on my alt for rings/amulet!

[gentle turtle]

wait nvm my math sucks

[potent pivot]

i was about to say lol

[potent pivot]

yeah a lot of crafters did too, anticipating pvpers wanting jewelry

_<

[ocean thunder]

depending on the prices i see i might buy the recipes and sell the recipes themselves 😛

[potent pivot]

I think I’m going to craft honor level jewelry anyway so I can socket in good gems

Then just recraft them to conq level later

We keep gems on recrafts don’t we? Idr

[covert bolt]

we're crafting belt/wrist or what is the move for Sub with these first heraldries

[potent pivot]

I did belt/boots with arcanoweave

[covert bolt]

are we not doing devouring banding? only info ive watch is venruki so...

[potent pivot]

No one is using that in pve so I don’t see why it would be better in pvp

Most dps specs’ bis is arcanoweave in pve, it’s just raw mainstat proc

[covert bolt]

sounds good to me. doesnt really cost much to switch later if anything changes.
thanks man

[potent pivot]

It might be good to do wrist/cloak with arcano+crafted insignia

The crafted insignia wasn’t giving trinket set bonus but supposedly that’s fixed

nvm

insignia is 525 on conq vendor now anyway

[mystic shoal]

Any PVP sub changes since tuning?

[potent pivot]

nope

[covert bolt]

did you do vers/mastery or haste?

[potent pivot]

haste

[mystic shoal]

build in pins or wowhead or smth?

running this atm

mid or good?

[potent pivot]

in pins but

if you're playing Rotten you kinda want PV not WM

playing WM you'd prolly swap rotten out

[unique bronze]

are ppl going 4 piece?

[potent pivot]

yes

[hybrid sapphire]

is gear guide up

[potent pivot]

no

[unique bronze]

weird just used to being a hunter and 2 piece is hardly even worth it

[potent pivot]

sub's 4p is quite good

assa's is the one that is kinda take it or leave it but prolly still fine

[potent pivot]

also swap that trickster talent near the top

Smoke > Mirrors

5% less damage from Fazed targets

[covert bolt]

just to make absolutely sure, ilvl of the craft pvp item doesnt matter it all scales up anyways

[potent pivot]

correct

if you're using the purple heraldries it'll scale to 289 anyway

so mat quality doesn't matter

[molten hedge]

ok. got belt and boots with arcanoweave. what do i buy next for sub 🙂

[potent pivot]

conq helm/shoulders to catalyze

[molten hedge]

W tyvm

[pale lotus]

100% we go conq helm?

[spring bough]

bro you gotta try the dev dh out

[pale lotus]

someone was saying shoulders/legs

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

you will just get legs anyway later. we will end up with helm/shoulders/legs/prolly gloves

it doesn't really matter much

nahj went legs because he's stacking haste more than everyone else

[pale lotus]

oh i see

[potent pivot]

but will openly say 18% haste is best

he's just havin fun with it ig

[pale lotus]

ok thanks

[mystic shoal]

W

[snow harness]

so if you want to pve and pvp both, you have to choose which tier you want first basically right? since we have limited cataylsts

[hybrid sapphire]

crimson tempest has worked exactly once in the 5 arena matches ive done so far lol

[potent pivot]

no

you catalyze pve tier first then add the pvp scaling to it

[snow harness]

right, but u could also catalyze a conquest peice which is garunteed, and pve is not garunteed , so if im a pve/pvp player its best i wait until i get my pve peices, also the slots are different for optimization, like in pvp i want shoulder/hands 2 set tier (not on my rogue) but in pve i'd want main slot tier etc

[potent pivot]

if you play both you wouldn't catalyze a conq piece

[snow harness]

ik im just saying it would be faster and garunteed for a pvp player who doesnt want to pve etc, but i have to be careful as a pve/pvp player

[potent pivot]

but yes the optimal slots might be different, thats just a hit you have to take

[snow harness]

yea thats the biggest thing ^

[potent pivot]

its small really

using suboptimal stats on 1 piece especially for pve is such a tiny thing

[snow harness]

i think ill wait on pvp tier since most dont really matter anyway and stats are more important then most tier

[potent pivot]

thats not true either

[snow harness]

well its both peices actually, and having main stat on chest/legs is better then shoulder/hands

[potent pivot]

tier bonuses are def worth more than the stats on the slots

in pve for sure, in pvp if you're running the tier then its because its worth more

[snow harness]

yea exactly, man this kinda sucks i guess ill be behind on pvp tier cause i'd rather optomize my pve

[hybrid sapphire]

do we get free weapons again this season

[potent pivot]

yea

[hybrid sapphire]

in a few weeks after hitting some conq threshold?

[potent pivot]

2500 again

week 3

cap increase was changed to 800 per week

but yea

[pale lotus]

Putting haste/verse on the belt correct

[potent pivot]

yea

[hazy monolith]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[hybrid sapphire]

wtf is causing this every match

[potent pivot]

this is what i've ended up with before enchanting/gemming

honor crafted neck haste/vers, crafted rings 1 haste 1 mast

[fathom crag]

u crafted boots + belt w heralds?

[potent pivot]

ye

[fathom crag]

why did nahj made a dagger

[potent pivot]

he does that every season

[fathom crag]

whats the point tho u get them free third week

[potent pivot]

exactly

[fathom crag]

i guess u have advantage for a bit

[potent pivot]

whaazz and nahj always do that week 1

on at least 1 rogue

[grave basin]

bro every lob is healer diff

[spring bough]

Tell me about it

[stoic spruce]

Isn't there some mmr silliness going on?

[hybrid sapphire]

well its day 1 so

i'd imagine

[spring bough]

dont seem like it for dps

creeping on rival

[spring bough]

lol

[hybrid sapphire]

what do i do with my honor if im already full honor geared lol

[spring bough]

buy helios for gems or buy them and sell them make profit and buy back later when market drops

[hexed blaze]

craft belt bracers first?

[hybrid sapphire]

i guess but i dont really spend gold lol

[potent pivot]

you will def need a lot of gold for chants/gems this season

[potent pivot]

i did belt/boots

[dark kernel]

Nahj loves to giga fucks himself every season by trying some wonky item path. He regrets it and is mad about it for like the first 3 weeks as he plays his properly geared alts.

It is a tradition

[potent pivot]

enchants and gems are expensive af

surely gems won't brick when i recraft this gear later right guys

right?

[dark kernel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bitelipcameraman-bite-lip-cameraman-camera-man-sRwmloo9w9ZGY04AXw

[fathom crag]

i mean he has a point

[spring bough]

LOL

remember what happened in s2

when the gems stayed

[fathom crag]

u get good advantage for the first weeks and ur not that behind

not sure

obv its better to not craft a dagger if u got 1 rogue

[potent pivot]

yea lol

halfway nervous to gem the honor crafted jewelry i made

[hexed blaze]

u can get 2 set as of today too?

[potent pivot]

if u hit 1600 yes

[hexed blaze]

damn nice

[hybrid sapphire]

helios?

[potent pivot]

seems like everyone is doing it differently this season. jewelry being bad really made everyone scramble to figure it out for themselves.

[potent pivot]

you might make more profit buying recipes or green heraldries

[hybrid sapphire]

aight

[potent pivot]

i sold a recipe for 100k earlier

[hybrid sapphire]

oh its on the other vendor

[potent pivot]

yeah

u need helios for sockets though too

so it just depends on if u need gold or not

gems are like 15k rn and enchants 30k+

green heraldries are 1k gold for 175 honor

helios are 5k gold for 2500 honor

so heraldries are def better than those

recipes are kinda gamba cuz u might not sell before they flood the market

[waxen meteor]

Damn my recipe was only like 30k

Didn’t buy from honor though

[potent pivot]

i got mine as a drop

[waxen meteor]

Mines too

[potent pivot]

just got lucky af

[waxen meteor]

I got a leather wrist and a shield

[potent pivot]

no one had it listed on the AH at all so i put it in for 100k

plate boots recipe

[waxen meteor]

I thought my shield should be expensive

But too many already at AH

[hybrid sapphire]

gladius is fucking my game up but idk what to do

[waxen meteor]

32k immediate sold though

[potent pivot]

wrong gladius

[rough rock]

Maybe try not playing with two versions

[potent pivot]

get the gladius updated by sammers

[hybrid sapphire]

i have one disabled

[potent pivot]

and delete the old ones

[hybrid sapphire]

is that not the second one on there?

[potent pivot]

idr it saying bicmex version

sec

[hybrid sapphire]

this one?

[potent pivot]

ya

thats weird

[hybrid sapphire]

aight

ty friends

[potent pivot]

it says i have the same one as you

but i swear i already swapped

[hybrid sapphire]

🤔

tf these are cheap as hell

[potent pivot]

i swapped to this one just now and it doesn't even appear in game

_>

[hybrid sapphire]

so which one is it 😭

[spring bough]

MVQ must be using his team only addons

[hybrid sapphire]

you dont get errors like i do, i take it

[potent pivot]

nope, and the bicmex one was working fine for me before

i might swap again

[potent pivot]

this one works

just gotta close out of wow fully

and relaunch

[spring bough]

market already cut in half they were like 10k a pop earlier

[formal needle]

Whats the sub pvp stat prios now, everywhere i look its different.

Some say vers > master > crit > haste
Others then vers > haste > mastery > crit

What are you guys going for?

[hybrid sapphire]

wait but this is the one giving me errors

[still sigil]

isn't it haste until the breakpoint you want and then that's when haste becomes quite low priority?

[pliant spoke]

Then pin has this talents otherwise

[potent pivot]

oh i meant the new one

[hybrid sapphire]

this one?

[potent pivot]

huh

[hybrid sapphire]

not the bicmex one

[potent pivot]

ya

[hybrid sapphire]

aight

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[potent pivot]

haste up to threshold then the rest mastery

vers comes on every piece anyway so you're always going to have enough

[formal needle]

Thanks, so i messed it up in pre-season. i went for full mastery and 0 haste

[unique bronze]

also, does anyone know what is causing some massive knockback

people be using some shit in pvp

[grave basin]

this is what i get for queueing early

[hazy monolith]

do we have an early season gearing guide?

[grave basin]

literal r1sin my 1500 lob

[pliant spoke]

The pin talents for sub show taking WM and rotten

rather than rotten + PV

[potent pivot]

u sure?

it didn't for me

[pliant spoke]

odd. thats what imported for me

ill try again after this blitz and see what happens

[rough rock]

[potent pivot]

Not posted yet

We’ve talked about what everyone’s doing a bit so far but it seems like everyone is doing different stuff

[outer sky]

what the actual fuck am I fighting

[hazy monolith]

thank you for answering

[rough rock]

That means go ahead and go to bed

[river pollen]

Which gems yall using for sockets

[potent pivot]

Best assumption is full main stat/5% DR in stuns/anything with mastery

[river pollen]

Ok thats enduring heliotrope i think

Ty

Skillcap is obsessed with haste

[potent pivot]

Yeah there’s a lot of misinformation going around

Between IceyVeins and skillcapped

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[potent pivot]

600-700 haste, rest mast

So if you gear properly all gems should be okay to be mast

[outer sky]

These are the teammates im getting

[potent pivot]

Seems like no one agrees on embellishments either anywhere you look

[pliant spoke]

do we still get double sockets on jewelry? or is it single socket this xpac?

[potent pivot]

it seems like single only

the socketing item says you can only use it on helm, bracer, belt

[river pollen]

True mastery focus for gems should be good in that case if 600-700 is the range for haste

[pliant spoke]

youll need to get the one from JCing if there is one like last xpac

[potent pivot]

ye i have like 5 mastery slots, rest haste and i don't really need anymore haste

[potent pivot]

all rings/necks just come with 1 socket always

[river pollen]

Btw idk if its a dumb question but for the human secondary stat boost, does it do 2% of total pvp scaling in pvp, or is the 2% bonus only applied to the base pve scaling

[potent pivot]

but idk what u mean

[potent pivot]

that was for pve only

[pliant spoke]

guess they're double sockets again

[river pollen]

Like if haste is 600 in pvp, would the +2% apply based on the 600 in pvp?

[potent pivot]

that item is specific to TWW pve gear though

[pliant spoke]

crap youre right. i just typed in "setting" to see what would come up. didnt bother looking at what xpac

[potent pivot]

i'm genuinely not sure, not sure if it would even count towards dance duration either

its specifically stats from gear when it comes to any other haste, so unsure about racial stats

[fiery turret]

Worth using tier set on sub?

[potent pivot]

yes

[river pollen]

I race changed from human to drac yesterday and haste decreased a lot, i just dont remember how much, imma switch back to human tho once cooldown is done not feeling dracthyr even in visage form lol

2 race change wasted

[spring bough]

It’s like 1% lol

[gusty hedge]

waste of $
shoulda lvld another rogue

[spring bough]

lol ight every race rogue at max already

[river pollen]

1 horde drac rogue and 1 ally

[severe helm]

anyone know how to put gladius into test mode?

[potent pivot]

ya /gladius test

[severe helm]

ty

[keen canopy]

can somebody tell me whether frost mage is actually busted or if im just a chud

and dont say both

[outer sky]

its probably not busted but as a rogue it feels like it is because they cant be stunned

they took a 20% nerf to their biggest damage today

[hybrid sapphire]

PvE
PvE
PvE
PvP

not PvP but literally "PvP" lmaooooooo

[outer sky]

My 1st 3v3 of the season. I already want to quit

[grave basin]

i havent lost a single lobb and im gaining 23 cr past 1600

i love me some deflation

[outer sky]

Did anyone else just randomly DC?

[jaunty osprey]

assa is BROKEN

(copium)

[safe pelican]

Can’t login wtf :/

[outer sky]

Is it saying "World Server Down"?

[jaunty osprey]

W

[safe pelican]

Yea idk wassup about restart my computer

[outer sky]

Its server side

[pliant spoke]

so what embelishments are ppl arguing over?

[grave basin]

wtf is deflation

what mmr are you at now

seems like r1 on murlok rn at 1900

[potent pivot]

some people went devouring banding, which does a little damage and procs a little of your highest secondary stat

some are going for whats best in pve like arcanoweave, procs main stat

i believe kalvish went arcanoweave as well

in the end i doubt it really matters, likely talking about a difference of like 0.2% dps

[potent pivot]

some sites aren't updating as fast

[grave basin]

i went arcano and it procs for 92 strength when they both double proc

that's quite alot imo

[potent pivot]

they should always double proc?

[grave basin]

should they? not two different instances?

[potent pivot]

ya

the effect doubles, same uptime as if u had 1

[grave basin]

cool, then 92 str is pretty big

[potent pivot]

ye it has good uptime too

[frozen walrus]

Man, Outlaw feels really good

[grave basin]

woah drustvar got a face lift

hansol already 2k cr

[potent pivot]

why is amani's mastery ench so much cheaper than zul'jins lmao

24 mast ring ench 69g

zul'jins is 29 mast for 10k g 💀

[grave basin]

pink class needs to be stopped

red class is ok

[outer sky]

They keep nerfing the wrong thing. They need to require you to spec into melee bop in order to get spell bop, and then put melee bop on a choice node with Lay on Hands. And also make Sanc replace Sac

[hybrid palm]

Frost mage peak fantasy 😁 can't move

[grave basin]

we're almost back to tww s3

ret dk mm

lol

[outer sky]

Assa and outlaw rogue lol

[potent pivot]

they really need to nuke these fucks from the atmosphere man

holy shit

i'm surprised sub is even that high up

[strange trellis]

Same... the hell? lol

Sure we lost a few buttons but its not like anything else changed in regards to surviving and we need to play around with two resources

[strange trellis]

Where is this posted at?

[outer sky]

This will never happen

too many people rely on this trash being overtuned to hit their seasonal goals

and its too popular to ever not be A+ tier at least

[grave basin]

https://drustvar.com/stats/shuffle/representation

[strange trellis]

tyty! I can never remember the name of this site

[grave basin]

we are literally just 1 spec away from tww s3

except it's sub instead of assa

[olive sequoia]

is there a consensus as to what stat prio is best ? im seeing conflicting guides with vers haste and vers mastery, I myself have been aiming for ~10% haste and the rest mastery, but now that the season has started and with crafting and such, i'm trying to find what the best crafts are but everyone is doing something different mostly

[still sigil]

I've been doing what you're doing

[outer sky]

18% haste in pvp then mastery

[olive sequoia]

ok thanks, it's just confusing since i see so many still stacking mastery

[potent pivot]

oh ig they're just straight streaming with their private addons

nice

they have omnibar and personal DRs

[safe pelican]

wait do we just got straight to level 90 after completing the campaign or something ?

why in the hell can i not see my xp bar and where is this Xp going

[potent pivot]

campaign isn't enough to hit 90

did you do all your delves early on?

and pick up the delvers call quests?

if not go do those

they give like 75-85k exp per delve quest, plus some exp for doing the delve itself

[safe pelican]

lmaooooo hell no i behind as fuck bought midnight last night and resubbed logged at midnight trying to push 81 rq before bed lmao but i did like 13 quest no dig fuck it back tomorrow

[outer sky]

@potent pivot Looks like most people arent playing Arcanoweave

[safe pelican]

Oh yea i forgot delves sre the wave now for grinding gunna have to watch a video at work tomrrow and catch up

[potent pivot]

doesn't surprise me. most people are also kinda

[outer sky]

Nahj is one of them

[potent pivot]

i know that

still think its the best option for sure

so does kalvish afaik

[safe pelican]

They took away all of our saved transmog slots?? yo who is running this show wth

[potent pivot]

now transmog persists when you swap gear

its actually kinda pog

you just have to buy some slots and make some sets

[safe pelican]

Brain hurts too much new stuff past midnight bro lol back tomrrow going to bed

[hybrid palm]

Is frost mage slow n dodge normal ?

Can't touch it

[vocal surge]

1st game of the day 4-2

It could've been a 5-1

but the druid healer gave up so early

[pliant spoke]

what was the 2set pieces we were doing?

i know i saw it but i cant seem to find it anywhere now

[outer sky]

starting with head and shoulders

Both shampoo and conditioner

then after your shower log into wow

and catalyst the head piece and shoulder piece

[grave basin]

most people are pepegas that dont know what's good

remember in tww s1 we went freaking ascendance

instead of EFL

[potent pivot]

A lot of people crafted focusing iris

[outer sky]

Ok got my 1600. 20/24 rounds won

2 set secured

Felt good beating Claudiogodx in my last lobby

Bro didnt see it coming

Stunned by the vulpera rogue slylie coyote

He knew it was over

[grave basin]

i got 23 points after 4-2ing at 1600 even when i didnt lose a single lobb

and called it on main dk

aint no way im playing for 23 points a piece at 1600

[outer sky]

Isnt that normal for a 4-2?

20-25 points

[grave basin]

depends on how inflated the season is

[outer sky]

Well its day 1 so probably not too inflated

[potent pivot]

Only 700 points to go wdym

Knock that out tn ez

[grave basin]

how many 4 2s is that

lol

[potent pivot]

35

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Have you considered going 6-0 instead of 4-2?

Mewo was playing his disc priest earlier and he was saying healer mmr/cr is bugged and that he was getting literally 1 point for going 4-2

[dark moon]

That like the meme "don't be homeless, just buy a house"

[grave basin]

ill write that down on my journal

[vocal surge]

ez clap

[maiden gull]

does offhand speed matter as outlaw ?

[vocal surge]

Dagger better

more Zero-In procs

[maiden gull]

thought so

what did you craft

maybe weapon is not a bad choice after all

[potent pivot]

we get free weapons later

[pliant spoke]

do we know the stats on those free daggers?

[potent pivot]

they're the weapons off the conquest vendor

so crit/vers

once we are fully geared we will just craft replacements

[outer sky]

Honor vendor daggers are also crit/vers. But the bloody token vendor has haste/vers ones. Theyre the same ilvl as the honor ones. But if you want haste instead of crit then you can use those until you get your conq daggers in 2 weeks

[outer sky]

Now theyre gunna go to the forums and complain about outlaw being overtuned

[grave basin]

you see this

and you know it's a shit show

double pala demo

idk

game is just so cancerous this pink class needs to be gutted

like facing this

what do

[outer sky]

Go pally after bubble probs

[outer sky]

Agree 100%. But they'll never do it. Its too popular and too many people depend on it to get their seasonal goal

[thick dagger]

How are you showing old DR's picture mine shows the ugly new ones 🙁

[outer sky]

You have to go into your interface folder and fuck around with the names of the icon files to trick it into showing the icons you want

[livid cipher]

wish u could do that to the new fear VFX

"new" from 1-2 years ago

[static holly]

How is it going? Worth to start shuffling or is it Cancer?

[outer sky]

Shuffle is free af

As sub

Idk how you can lose

Ive won 20 of my 24 rounds and one of the losses was my teammate getting one shot cheesed in the opener

And im not even that good of a sub rogue

Im way better at assa

[static holly]

Ok. Good to know. May try a few rounds later. Need to do some work before

I prefer assa too

But nvm, i just want to have some fun with my rogue 😄

When I get bored I still can play blitz

[strange trellis]

ugh I just checked que and its 14 minutes atm lol

[outer sky]

Sub is immortal

You absolutely cannot die

Its actually a bit overtuned in that respect

[potent pivot]

assa still looking strong as well

[static holly]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-gif-2476306995693472245

[potent pivot]

?

[static holly]

It was regarding overtuned 😑

[potent pivot]

oh lol

[static holly]

I will try assa for sure later when they lift the cap

Or with my other rogue

I always played assa. Seems strange to play sub for me

[strange trellis]

what talents are you using where you cannot die? I know theres healing on finishers and shields on vanish but I didnt think people would be using those

[potent pivot]

ivan played some earlier and it looked quite decent

just not into frost mage/hpal in 2s

[outer sky]

Vanish shield

And vanish heal

[strange trellis]

I may have to give it a go

[outer sky]

You basically have 4 two minute defensives plus feint plus being able to GTFO with short CD step

[static holly]

I know when they reworked sub in vallina where you got combo points for every crit someone did in your group and you just stood at the boss and spammed evi 🤣

[outer sky]

You only die under 2 circumstances.

1. Game gets so damp anyone can die, including you.

2. You get stunned without and didnt pre-feint and get bursted on

[strange trellis]

wasnt that in WotLK?

[static holly]

Might be, yes. But it's been a long time

Guess it was with naxx

[grave basin]

just feel like the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" is insane

like the difference in piloting one of these specs

and everything else below it is just so much more effort for nothing

[outer sky]

Survival didnt need that 8% pvp nerf

[grave basin]

sv is so dogshit designed now

youre just an annoying mosquito when takedown isnt up

[grave basin]

passive hps probably outheals you

[dark moon]

Excuse me, what the fuck?

[pliant spoke]

wait thats real?

[outer sky]

When you proc cold blooded killer when speced into it, it puts a blue "icey" aura around your hand

[potent pivot]

surv is like rogue. they've done nothing but neuter my boy since SL.

[outer sky]

And it doesnt go away

Until you spend the proc

[pliant spoke]

or click it off

[outer sky]

Ye

[pliant spoke]

but nice change

[dark moon]

I know, but that's fun, why remove that

[outer sky]

They need to stop balancing specs entirely by tuning damage. Sometimes things arent busted just because of damage.

[dark moon]

They did my cold blood homie dirty

[outer sky]

They nerfed ret damage but its still S++++++++ tier because its damage wasnt the reason it was that good

Require speccing into physical BoP to spec into magic BoP then put physical BoP on a choice node with Lay on Hands. Then make Sanc replace Sac.

[static holly]

Too many modifiers etc . Impossible to debug and test

[deep dove]

yoo what embelishment should i craft my gear with?

[static holly]

Imagine someone would fix this mess and spend time for pvp stuff

[dark moon]

Cant, not possible

[hexed blaze]

should be banned and thrown in pool of lava

[dark moon]

Because it would prevent them from doing stupid shit and make them look like complete clowns in a 20yold game

[static holly]

It is but would require to probably do everything from scratch again

[potent pivot]

arcanoweave x2 seems to be the safest bet

[potent pivot]

yep

[dark moon]

Pvp templates from legion were I think most successful

[deep dove]

is it still neck and ring first craft?

[potent pivot]

nop

i did boots/belt

can't put arcanoweave on jewelry

[deep dove]

oh thx

[warped gate]

So am I just missing something, or does melee just not have an epic attachment to legs like casters do?

They get this:

But best I can find for melee is this:

[potent pivot]

this is all u get

[warped gate]

But that's not faaaaaiiiiir!

[potent pivot]

ours are green/blue

[outer sky]

The leg enchants coloring has always been weird. Pay no attention to that. Last season the melee one was white and the caster one was blue or purple

[potent pivot]

int ones are blue/purple

int ones are more expensive too

so be glad lol

[hollow carbon]

what is the math around crafting boots/belt first, cause of embelishment basically?

[potent pivot]

ye its just cuz of embellishment and because they don't interfere with tier set slots

[hollow carbon]

makes sense, ty

[potent pivot]

also just a decent chunk of agi

[outer sky]

Do we know which tier piece we wont be using? I assume chest?

[potent pivot]

the crafted slots don't matter MUCH

haste/vers belt/boot just worked the best imo

i'm at the perfect haste rating like i wanted

with wpvp mastery heavy cloak

and i can craft engi bracers later if i decide to

[warped gate]

'Eyyy, just got my two piece (no biscuit)!

[potent pivot]

chest yeah

[warped gate]

Totally forgot how much Conquest these quests give.

And the chest drops, holy shit.

My faction dominates on my server, so I was getting Conquest like a buffet.

[potent pivot]

crate farms are still quite good

i got a socket earlier too

[outer sky]

Then wouldnt chest+boots or belt be a bigger power spike week 1?

[potent pivot]

i had a reason for not doing chest idr

prolly fine

in the end it won't matter too much, whatever slots will end up as crafted slots anyway

[last jasper]

Finally. no more bloody token grind

[brave estuary]

so for sub, arconweave lining as embelishments x 2?

[warped gate]

Seems like it's like that for every spec.

[potent pivot]

[brave estuary]

ok thx

[static holly]

Im not sure on the embellishments. We have 2 options or one is wrong

[potent pivot]

i mean no matter what embellishment u pick ur gonna be within like 0.2% dps

there's outliers that are worse, like the focusing iris

[vocal surge]

Hall of Fame complete for NA

all 4000 kills are in

[potent pivot]

ya

shit got filled fast

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[potent pivot]

i didn't even know it was a thing until way too late

like a couple days ago

[brave estuary]

for gems i thought someone said gem mastery, but i thought vers was our best stat?

as sub

[potent pivot]

you get vers on all pvp gear regardless

so its generally "ignored" to a degree

its definitely not the best stat for damage

[wet nexus]

should I be looking to convert these to tier ASAP? I assume yes

bonues seems giga

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean there's no reason not to convert them asap

the stats on conq helm/shoulders are fine but the tier set is big ye

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[potent pivot]

once you've hit the haste threshold, you can just gem straight mastery or mastery>vers combo gems

[brave estuary]

ok thx

[potent pivot]

like this one

the straight mastery gems are +17, the combo gems are +16mast +7vers, no reason to not use the combo gems

[brave estuary]

ah ok ty

[hollow carbon]

did you use the single stat boots or double?

[potent pivot]

also this enchant is WAY cheaper for rings rn

and only 5 less mastery per ring

[potent pivot]

huh

double

[hollow carbon]

ah there are engi boots

i see

[hollow carbon]

so there are 2 engi single stat items

wrist and boots

[brave estuary]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=267571/conquerors-galactic-varnish does this turn pve gear to pvp?

[potent pivot]

3 i think

goggles

[hollow carbon]

oh true

but they take a tier slot

[potent pivot]

yes. should only be used on tier set if you happen to get pve tier

[potent pivot]

yeh

[hollow carbon]

personally i love to play assa rogue so i am still thinking if i should craft haste/vers or go with mastery

[potent pivot]

i think having some haste is quite fine for assa this season

[hollow carbon]

want to flex to sub tho

i guess so yeah

[potent pivot]

then you'd def go haste yea

[hollow carbon]

bleeds dont do any dmg

[potent pivot]

they do actually

[hollow carbon]

i feel i can just kill with kingsbanes at this point

[potent pivot]

sec

those were from ivan, couple of his games

but yea assa burst is kinda the play

having some haste just helps the feel a little on energy

[loud ember]

is there a gearing guide up for s1?

[outer sky]

You probably still need Kingsbane or a juiced envenom to actually secure kills

I cant picture anyone just falling over to assa bleeds

Not like s1 of last xpac

Which is fine I dont want to be a melee affi lock anyway

[potent pivot]

not yet no, but there isn't many different things you can really do

you buy conq helm/shoulders->catalyze them into tier

craft belt/boots with arcanoweave, or chest/boots, etc

thats basically all you can do week 1

[brave estuary]

worht it to buy weapon enchant?

[potent pivot]

use honor level heraldries to craft jewelry/any other off pieces you want to

[potent pivot]

i'm still debating this myself

feels kinda shit because i don't want to enchant 3 sets of weapons in 1 season

honor, conquest, conquest crafted way later

[brave estuary]

i got like 4 mill gold so its not too bad for me to spend

but if it doesnt do much then i could just wait

[potent pivot]

its a 60agi proc basically

[brave estuary]

ah ok

[loud ember]

oh i see bloody token gear is the same ilvl as honor now

so

they made it useless for instanced

[deep dove]

is there a set haste % u wanna hit for sub?

[loud ember]

6-700 haste

[potent pivot]

this and arcane mastery, which is a 125 mastery proc

rn ppl are using pyrium weapon chain from cataclysm on 1 weapon though

its pretty cheap

[brave estuary]

ya im using weapon chain

[potent pivot]

u dirty zoggy

[outer sky]

Have you tried the worldsoul shield weapon enchant? I have it on one of my rogues and its been doing a lot of healing for me. Like one round of shuffle it did like 600k healing to me

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

the percentage changes so its best to use the raw stat rating. 600-700 like jackal said

i'm almost at 20% haste rn

[deep dove]

ok ty

[potent pivot]

yep

i still bought the mast heavy cloak just for the hell of it

[loud ember]

at least you still need the 1600 rating achievement

to get 2 piece in week 1

right

[potent pivot]

nah i don't think it will make any meaningful difference

seems like a pve tank ench

[outer sky]

Yeah it probably is

But it can definitely be clutch

Idk how much damage the dps wep enchant is worth

And also im only using 1 of those shield enchants

Because I have the chain on my other weapon

[potent pivot]

even tanks don't use it in pve

they use berserker's rage and ren'dorei

lol

[hollow carbon]

we just use one embelishment on either boots or belt right?

[outer sky]

2

Same one on both pieces

[hollow carbon]

so theres no other emebelishment we would use on weapon for example?

[outer sky]

Not sure I understand the question

You cant put arcanoweave on a weapon

And as far as we know right now, thats the BiS embellishment

Its day 1 of the season we're still testing things but that one appears to be the safest bet

[potent pivot]

darkmoon: hunt goes on weapon, it procs like 85 mastery when hitting humanoids

there's no telling if it procs haste/crit/vers based on hitting pets or not

uptime is also just worse from what i've seen

[outer sky]

Is this the one Bigdam said he liked?

[potent pivot]

specs that are crafting weapons early in pve are using it, then replacing it with arcanoweave later on in most cases anyway

[potent pivot]

one of them

2x arcanoweave def just seems like the safest bet over everything else

kalv i think has been playing devouring but says hes going to swap to arcano

[loud ember]

first ss of the season and the world server is lagging out

[gentle turtle]

can u put that on offhand?

i think u can

[potent pivot]

ya

[hollow carbon]

thanks for your answers so far

I got another question, do you know what haste stat influences on assa rogue? does it also change kingsbane dmg in any way, make bleeds ticking faster or so?

[brave estuary]

got hand tier 🙂 so i just use the conquest on that to convert it to pvp and then catalyst a peice of either head or shoulders?

[hollow carbon]

But so far I feel my bleeds do absolutely nothing, when someone runs away with full bleeds on them, 5% life they never die basically

[potent pivot]

it makes bleeds tick faster which leads to additional bleed ticks

because bleed duration is static

[potent pivot]

if you want to

[brave estuary]

i wont be getting 1600 rating anytime soon so it would be only way to get 2 peice right? next catalyst is in 2 weeks?

[hollow carbon]

doesn't seem too shabby

[potent pivot]

yea back in SL we ran haste/vers

[potent pivot]

i guess so ya

[brave estuary]

i wanna play arena/rated but im so noob i think ima just start with 2s with a guildie or something

[dark moon]

2s is a good bracket to start, but u gotta give shuffle a chance at some point, too. Dont care about win/lose, just play

[brave estuary]

mm i jsut dont wanna annoy others being noob

[strange trellis]

one of the best places to do it

we all start somewhere

[dark moon]

Who cares about other people?

Just dont let them get to you mentally

They dont pay your sub, you do, so you have the right to be there

[brave estuary]

mm ok

[potent pivot]

Can’t win if u don’t try

PvP takes a lot of practice

You’re going to go through some rough times at first

But everyone was there once fr

[hollow carbon]

Im still going through rough times as multiglad haha x)

[strange trellis]

Now is probably the best time to learn since you won't be reliant on what use to be some of the most popular addons

[dark moon]

Just play to learn and improve, ask questions, not for starts and don't get sad when you lose, cause it's pointless

[potent pivot]

The ones some people are still using? XD

[strange trellis]

eh its only some isnt it? lol

also no gaurentees theyll stay usuable

[potent pivot]

mvq and his homies apparently have omnibar n shit

[dark moon]

Ofc they do

[strange trellis]

ugh thats so lame. One of the things I was looking forward to the most was the disappearance of most pvp addons

[dark moon]

It was called out

But only mvps are gonna get it, cause they will hide it until the end

High-end raiders and pvp players will have access to wa's and combat addons, which would make an unfair advantage until somebody goes mad and leaks them

[strange trellis]

honestly hope they crack down on it... just let us track our own CCs though

er make it easier rather

[dark moon]

I hope they remove them, cause game is more fun without something popping up on your screen every global or so and without sound alerts going bonkers

[strange trellis]

I both love and hate my rare finders

[dark moon]

No i meant for combat addons/pvp

[strange trellis]

oh I know but for me thats what goes off all the time LOL

[dark moon]

Rare scanner addons are nice when you do achievs and such

You gotta stop it at some point tho, hahha

[strange trellis]

agreed... I just want better plates. Something like BetterBlizzPlates out of the box or something

I know we had addons back in the BC/WotLK era but coming back and seeing all the crap people used made me go wtf

[dark moon]

Wdym bbp out of the box

[harsh kiln]

what conquest items are we buying ?

[potent pivot]

Spec?

[harsh kiln]

sub i guess

yeah sub

i say "we" as we can't think for ourselves at this point

[potent pivot]

Helm/shoulders to catalyst into tier

[harsh kiln]

thanks

[potent pivot]

Crafted belt/boots with arcanoweave on each

There’s a couple diff variations of crafted that are fine

[maiden gull]

tier for outlaw seems crap

[warped gate]

Does anyone else's character take a swig anytime they zone in an instance?

The animation is the Crimson Vial and I have no idea what triggers it.

I only noticed it when I spammed tf out of Arenas and it happened every single time I entered.

[queen geyser]

You take a sip from your trusty crimson vial

[potent pivot]

Outlaw generally runs tier anyway just because no stats are really “bad” for it

[harsh kiln]

if you're playing thistle tea it's probably that

since spawn in with 0 enery

[warped gate]

Ahhhhh!

Thanks!

Man, that mystery was bothering me to no end.

[vocal surge]

6% total dps increase

but 2p best for pvp

over 4p

[last jasper]

why arcano and not devouring?

[vocal surge]

more uptime

[potent pivot]

Seems better

kalv tried devouring n said he was prolly gonna swap to arcano

all the other embellishments just seem ass

[maiden gull]

arenßt the setbonuses halved in pvp`?

[potent pivot]

proc a small amount of damage, or a small amount of secondary stat, or an even smaller amount of both

[potent pivot]

yes

[queen geyser]

What even is Outlaw tier this season?

[potent pivot]

blade rush

[queen geyser]

Oh sweet I love that button

[queen geyser]

Funne

Blade Rush into BTE go bang

(It does nothing still, and I shall weep)

[potent pivot]

outlaw damage seems fine

problem is just lack of cc

and no real burst ig

[queen geyser]

Need just a crumb more smile

[loud ember]

is there a resource to see what your piece turns into in the catalyst

just easier than buying, checking, selling

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/item-set=1987/motley-of-the-grim-jest

[maiden gull]

do i lose my enchants when i convert an item to tierset?

[potent pivot]

don't think so but don't kill me if it does

feels like a gamble every season catalyzing/recrafting with shit on items

but it shouldn't lose it afaik

[maiden gull]

it gets remoced

removed 😄

[vocal surge]

gonna do legs n gloves

for catalyst

[potent pivot]

really?

lol

[maiden gull]

google says so

i wont try it haha

[last jasper]

66agi is the wep enchants this expac?

[broken jewel]

Do i lose anything pve wise if i just send the catalist week1?

[potent pivot]

if you send it on a pvp item? yes u lose something

[broken jewel]

What's the pve and pvp way to send it and be mindful of both ppc

[potent pivot]

that one and the mastery one. might go 1x1

[broken jewel]

Cutting edge and glad xd

[potent pivot]

you can't full tryhard both

[broken jewel]

Why is nobody talking about this xd

Do u guys not have phones? Don't u also pve xd?

[potent pivot]

you have to get pve tier and spend conquest to add pvp ilvl to it

no

fuck pve

[last jasper]

yea, I notice that 100 mastery looks better than 66 agi

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't say better no

you just get a bit more uptime coverage using 1x1

rather than lower uptime/double effect of using 2 of 1 ench

[broken jewel]

And if i want to do both what should I do? Ppc

[potent pivot]

i just said

you have to get pve tier and spend conquest to add pvp ilvl to it

[broken jewel]

Aha...

They should rly make gearing less complicated xd

Conquest, goodbye xd

[potent pivot]

so you will either have to be patient, get ur pve tier first, then make it into pvp

[broken jewel]

I raid tonight

[potent pivot]

u have to spend conq to get tier regardless

like to get pvp tier asap u buy conq helm/shoulders->catalyst them

but if u play pve, u get pve tier set first

whether thats from drops or from catalyzing pve items

then u use an item that adds pvp ilvl modifier to it

[broken jewel]

Ty. And it's the same conquest spend right?

[potent pivot]

these 2 things

yes

same conq amount

so u don't "fall behind" in either content, except maybe suboptimal tier set slots

just have to be patient for it

like pvp bis slots are head/shoulders/gloves/legs

pve might be diff

but thats less important in pve generally speaking

[broken jewel]

They're thr same cus crit on chest gg

[potent pivot]

crit on chest and hands

[last jasper]

idk, 66 agi sounds like meh..

[potent pivot]

crit isn't bad for sub in pve

[potent pivot]

agi is generally worth much more than secondary stats

like 2-3x

[last jasper]

also, the stat squish kinda looks cringe. ppl already running with 500k+ hp. and the expac just started

[potent pivot]

i don't think i've seen anyone over 500k

unless they're a tank ig

but yea its a different stat squish than shadowlands

[last jasper]

i know. just the number itself looks lucklaster

[potent pivot]

cuz we're still lv90

[last jasper]

idk, im 410k and I'm not even honor geared yet

something like dk should be 500k+ easy

[potent pivot]

idk how, im full bis week 1 gear and 424k hp scaled up

[vocal surge]

RIP getting all my dungeons complete today

[potent pivot]

most plate i've seen are around 480k

healers etc

abilities also just smack

like the game actually feels kinda bursty again

doesn't seem anywhere near as damp as beta was

[last jasper]

yep, full honor 480k in the first day of s1

[potent pivot]

no

we already have some conq

u should rly try before u doom ngl

sub feels dope

[potent pivot]

why does it matter

[last jasper]

idk, I hate these giga numbers.

[potent pivot]

this is nothing compared to the last 2 expacs no?

sec tech like 250k

thats all u gotta know

480k hp? 1 burst window

[last jasper]

it would 1 burst window no matter 480k or 4mil 😄

just sayin

[potent pivot]

not when sub is ass

[last jasper]

there were a stat squish in bfa or shadowlands when ppl were 20k hp or something

[potent pivot]

in bfa im pretty sure people had giga millions

in SL s1 we had like maybe 100k

but we were lvl 60

might have even been like 50k, idr

[safe mural]

@potent pivot did u sleep sometime 😭 ?

[potent pivot]

[safe mural]

everytime i come to read i see u

[potent pivot]

are u eu?

[safe mural]

yes

something change ?

[potent pivot]

thats prolly why

[broken jewel]

Greetings from Romania xd

[potent pivot]

i tend to be up around eu daytime

[safe mural]

u from Romania ?

[potent pivot]

i'm NA but work at night mostly

[safe mural]

oh this is

where u from in NA

[broken jewel]

Da xd

[safe mural]

Switzerland here

[potent pivot]

only takes 1 guess i bet

https://klipy.com/gifs/america-truck

[safe mural]

i change

which state ?

[broken jewel]

TX?

Yeehaw

[safe mural]

Tex Avery

[potent pivot]

no. lmao

[broken jewel]

Cali

[grave basin]

https://drustvar.com/guide/pvp/death-knight/unholy/all/stats-priority?bracket=shuffle

[broken jewel]

Man those freaking cali girls man i'd cheapshot dance symbols secret tech xd

[grave basin]

cool, so drustvar has like a built in murlok io now

[broken jewel]

New york?

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

seems pretty buggy

those are some crazy look rogue talents

[vocal surge]

ayyo

we can Icebound Fortitude

[last jasper]

nah, there was a stat squish in bfa. we end up legion with 1k ilvl gear and millions in dps. But we definitely had like 50k hp or so at the start of bfa

[potent pivot]

Oh idk

I came back to the game sl s1

Assumed the squish was fresh from there

[vocal surge]

Outlaw doing worse than Assa

[last jasper]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hang-first-time

[vocal surge]

with a 12% damage buff btw

only bracket Outlaw doing good in is in 2s

[last jasper]

they didn't touched character level. only ilvl and stats. and squished us to lvl 60 in sl after

[molten hedge]

VENRUKI SAYS ITS S TIER YOURE BAD

[warped gate]

I can see that in Staten/Long Island.

NYC tries to just pretend they're not there out of embarrassment.

[spring bough]

I’d love to see Venruki play it

[vocal surge]

Fite me