pvp

[severe helm]

Its not pve only

[snow harness]

ah sht

your right just checked

thats pretty big nerf no?

the pshyic link

not sure how much its contributing

[waxen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-12007368131756137942

[outer sky]

That was you right?

Assa rogue by the same same

Had to be

[severe helm]

Very

[snow harness]

i usually level a priest and play disc for 2s but i like to also have fun with shadow

not sure how i feel about shadow atm

it was good in tww

we lost our stun and the dmg is kinda meh. still got silence atleast

[waxen meteor]

ah i haven't played any alt

[outer sky]

Youre saying the assa rogue i just fought named Tarny wasnt you?

Then you've got an impersonator

[waxen meteor]

oh i didn't pay attention to game itself been adjusting UI lol

[indigo oxide]

whats the idea with cc as sub? i keep zaping when possible, cheapshoting for cc, kidney if i need another cc but dont have cheap and gouge to interrupt

[waxen meteor]

i can't have the 'bigdebuff' to work lol

run into mvqdh

first game fixed UI

I still miss bubble lots of time

how can i add key buff back to here

[severe helm]

dont think you can

I think its all through cdm now

[outer sky]

DH being immune to CC every time they move is really annoying

[dark moon]

Huh?

[outer sky]

whenever theyre jumping around you cant CC them

The Vulpera Rogue Slylie Coyote stacks another dub courtesy of Mvq

[rough rock]

now hes gonna cry on twitter all day

[outer sky]

I literally dont know anything about this guy other than his pvp xp and that he makes addons and yet somehow I just kind of know he must be a massive prick. Idk how to explain it.

[waxen meteor]

Totally before we could still spam cs regardless, they got stunned as soon as landed, now if we hit cheap shot early lol, cd used

[snow harness]

he is

jk mvq is chill

prob one of the best dh

[outer sky]

Yeah and theres actually an argument that its better that way. My main issue is that they basically avoid CC on accident these days. They have their mobility up so often and they use it to kite or connect or go for CC and so they'll just immune CC on them by chance and it happens often enough that it matters

I do think if you blow a CC into an immunity that it should cost you

Idk how I feel about it happening randomly when the target isnt even trying to dodge your CC though

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it isn’t bad, just harder for us in a health way

[outer sky]

I just played a 3s skirm where the 2 mistweaver monks were the top damage

I got one shot by one

100k jadefire stomp 100k wind kick and a bunch of other shit

[thorny raft]

hello in randomb bgs when you die to shaman you have flame shock on you when you respawn and you can't stealth anymore, is this a bug? all other debuffs get cleared but not flame shock...

[outer sky]

Shaman buff

Look at this

MW monk top damage again

he one shot the warlock

please tell me this is getting nerfed on tuesday

[ionic crown]

i think last one of aincient arts has bug
its not work if cheap before dance..

If you use dance while aincient arts buff is active, it doesnt work

[outer sky]

A bug? In WoW? Nah.

[snow harness]

@potent pivot this was the embelish btw, (only craftable on jewlery) i think

[outer sky]

Trickz DMd me like a day ago to tell me how trash that is lol

[snow harness]

arcanoweave better?

thats just what the wowhead / icey say for most classes pvp craft

i havnt tested on beta

[outer sky]

I think so

Those online guides are decent for people who just need SOMETHING to start off with when theyre totally new to a class or to the game

I definitely wouldn't look at them as any kind of actual authority though

[severe helm]

Wait wdym

Isn't it just glimpse and meta?

Or vengeful retreat

Not glimpse

It's just those two yeah?

Not their fel rush or blade dance or anything

Half their kit has them bouncing around haha

[outer sky]

I have no idea. I just know i fought a dev DH and he immuned like 5 of my stuns while being off DR

Not the first time it's happened either

Been noticing it more since pre patch

[severe helm]

Yeah it's just vengeful retreat afaik

Or the short leap during meta

But that one's less frequent

[outer sky]

Is the CD on it like 5 seconds?

[severe helm]

You can extend the immune from vengeful

By gliding

[outer sky]

To half the game?

[severe helm]

25s cd

It's like 2 seconds long ish

[outer sky]

How long can you make yourself immune for during each press?

[wispy copper]

Sounds like the premeditation bug. Refund/cloned finisher does not trigger if premed is up. Has been bugged for a long time

[severe helm]

Could also just be blur

Now that we can't track it as well

[outer sky]

What?

Why would blur matter

[severe helm]

Kidney misses during blur

[outer sky]

They removed the dodge component of Blur

[severe helm]

LOOOOOL no way

[outer sky]

Now it's just a 25% damage reduction

[severe helm]

That's such a giga nerf wtf

[outer sky]

But they get 2 charges

But they also removed Netherwalk

[severe helm]

Jeez

[outer sky]

And with minicc blur is easily tracked anyway. Its a huge icon

But yeah nothing misses during blur anymore

[severe helm]

Yeah idk about what else they have other than vengeful and meta for immune

They have it almost on the exact same CD as kidney though

So

It kinda lines up

[outer sky]

Could be that yeah

It feels like it lasts FOREVER

[severe helm]

It's annoyingly long yeah lol

Stops as soon as they land

[outer sky]

How long can they sustain it for?

[rough rock]

undead forced to be slouched but when i salute the undead i can stand straight up

[outer sky]

Casual flex

[rough rock]

was like 5 seconds of being in awe how dope undead would look standing straight up haha

[molten hedge]

That’s what it was intended to be for a while. The dodge wasn’t even in tooltip

[molten hedge]

They can glimpse then propel forward and double jump glide, extending the glimpse

And then while in the air in Meta

[red obsidian]

wat slots you gonna craft that in on reset?

[dark moon]

I totally missed that. That happens without veng retreat talent?

[river pollen]

Between human and dracthyr which would be more beneficial for sub rogue, thinking of using my race change

[dark moon]

Human is weak for 3rd exp in a row imho, due to not playing with medallion

Losing main stats

Orc is strong

[lone jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/tauren-warcraft3-evil-gif-15230110

[dark moon]

My lock is tauren, haha

[lone jasper]

Noticed already btw 😂

[dark moon]

I molested them ingame last night in hotmogu brawl as destro

Haven't had that much fun in a long time

Was quing with 4 guildmates, got 2 or 3 losses in the span of 4 hours

All game 4 orbs quick wins kekw

Need to add /moo to my soul fire macro

[lone jasper]

Lol 😂

[lone jasper]

Destro seems very fun

Ive char with name - Moorone, lately realized what it means

https://tenor.com/view/moron-idiot-smile-and-wave-insult-grandpa-gif-12809042759122058580

Plus its a pally 😁

[river pollen]

Double dps trinket is not worth it with the stun only racial right

I am the boring stereotypical human in fantasy world player, but i can chose between human and drac cus i’ll only use human form anyway

[vocal surge]

Me playing with Medallion as Human

[dark moon]

I don't feel good Mr. Stark

[wanton breach]

Not sure which spec could even pull off human with adaptation

Just seems so troll

[quiet rain]

what ilvl does the pvp crafted items have?

[hybrid vessel]

considering buying midnight, any of the specs gonna be more favorable in Blitz?

[vocal surge]

The same as the heraldries used specifies

Conquest Heraldries give Conquest ilvl, Honor / BG chest Heraldries give honor ilvl

[dark moon]

Well, 3 more waves of tuning are about to happen in the next 3 weeks, so nobody can tell. Mm hunter dodged the 1st nerf wave

[spring bough]

Comp stomp is live on Tuesday. Gonna be a fun week lol

[jaunty osprey]

Ooooo, that’ll be fun for alts

[warped gate]

I'm surprised they still have that now that Training Grounds is a thing.

Also wtf, I just got ganked and bursted from existence by a Resto Druid.

God, I hate Druids.

[spring bough]

It’s still in the brawl rotation 🔥

[wise breach]

I bet that changes, it doesn't make sense for it to exist separately

[vale steppe]

12% on outlaw is not gonna tip the scales?

[spring bough]

[vale steppe]

You played alot of outlaw, dont u think it will be enough to make it viable

[stoic lava]

outlaw is always viable if you bleieve

[vale steppe]

lets believe

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw was always viable because of CDR on vanish

But uh

We're just gonna have to wait and see lol

[spring bough]

It’ll be okay

[lone jasper]

Worgen?

[waxen turtle]

its a way to track de DR in nameplates? i want to know when the enemy is avaible for stun again lol

[spring bough]

MidnightDR addon

[waxen turtle]

Will it last? Or will Blizzard remove it due to restrictions?

[spring bough]

It should last. You may have to enable some stuff in the settings for BGs

[waxen turtle]

Perfect

Thanks!

[swift mulch]

I mainly raid and i wanna try getting the 1.6k rating any tips if i should go solo shufle or bgs? And which spec?

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-believe-gif-18590055

[jolly sierra]

blitz in sub

[spring bough]

What about now

[stoic spruce]

Yeah idk

Doesn't have a crutch to remain really good anymore lol

I wouldn't mind the transition to make outlaw more of a dps spec than what it's historically been

New leaf and all that

[spring bough]

Yk what would be cool

If one day we could have a lil burst

And I’m not talking when we press adrenaline and get a lil more energy then and global boost

[stoic spruce]

I yearn for dreadblades

[spring bough]

That would do it for me

[vocal surge]

Jackpot go brrr

[spring bough]

Give us back dreadblades but we would need feint and evasion back in CDR

[spring bough]

I gotta be real…. Half the time I don’t even feel the rolls

I’ll be smacking someone and realize oh shit they ran out 10 seconds ago and I didn’t even feel a change

[stoic spruce]

Eating through tea charges tho

1st and 2nd buff are all that matters anyway

The price we paid for better low rolls

Smh

[vocal surge]

Im having the opposite effect lol

Whenever I get Jackpot, someone WILL die

[spring bough]

Pin this and let’s revisit in say 3 weeks when we all have weapons

[vocal surge]

If not dead, forcibly accelerate the game state by several minutes

[spring bough]

And another tuning

[vocal surge]

Ey, I discovered some new tech on Outlaw

Im keeping under wraps x)

[spring bough]

Just wait for those BTE numbers to drop when the supercharge bug gets fixed

[dark kernel]

Are we bug abusing

Let me in on your secrets

[spring bough]

Gonna be doing less on supercharged BTE bug crits in full conq then we are now

[stoic spruce]

Silence blue name

[spring bough]

Didn’t that guy used to be an outlaw

[dark kernel]

I forcibly had to play assassination last season for a week. I am done playing for the Love of the game

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[dark kernel]

I am playing for a glad mount

Plain and simple

[vocal surge]

x)

[stoic spruce]

I can't wait for everyone to be fully versed up :)

[spring bough]

Now that verse is meh for outlaw? 😭

[dark kernel]

Really low versatility in this season

All around too

[stoic spruce]

No, in that vers is dmg reduction

[vocal surge]

Nah

We got higher vers

[dark kernel]

In full conquest gear on the beta I only had 19% verse

[vocal surge]

than what we got in the Beta

[dark kernel]

Oh really?

[vocal surge]

yeah

[spring bough]

?? I have like 25% verse in honor gear

[vocal surge]

in honor gear im at ~26% vers

[dark kernel]

Are you guys fully enchanted and gemmed though?

[vocal surge]

Nope

[dark kernel]

Oh well that's surprising

[spring bough]

Haste gems on amulets and haste enchant on rings

[vocal surge]

Close enough with my vers number but ye

[dark kernel]

I'll have to double check mine later. I got the call from daycare to pick up my kid as I also learned that my coworker is quitting.

I'm legitimately about to have an awful summer during my last serious season of Arena

Couldn't be me

[vocal surge]

Life be doing that

its a pattern tbh

[spring bough]

Good thing it’s not even summer yet

[outer sky]

I think as sub im gunna gear haste/mastery until I hit the haste breakpoint then start gearing vers

[lone jasper]

Pvp stats or pve?

What spec?

[spring bough]

PvP outlaw

[lone jasper]

Ah, i see 🏴‍☠️

[vocal surge]

PvP Outlaw

[vocal surge]

This build slaps HARD lol
CQQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZ2mBjZGzsNzMzMDmtNzMzsNtNYbGAAAAAgllZmBzMzMjZmxAAAAYGGYwsMbmZmRzMbMbssNtwCDwMzMzAD

Fatebound no Ace

[spring bough]

No ace?? Hmmm

[vocal surge]

just slamming people with constant Gravediggers

and coin pumps

casually 1v2'd a devoker and destro lock

Although it was an Eye of the Storm game

Side note

I intimidated another Outlaw so hard

he cheap shots me on opener

and disarms me

during stun lol

and pops evasion after both of those drop

if he was alone elsewhere beside a point, he would've gotten folded after that Evasion dropped

because he had nothing left

[molten hedge]

Nahj was saying he’s gonna be a psycho and try a rog with haste mast and super low versa

[frozen walrus]

Anyway to see this without being in game?

[vocal surge]

wowhead talent calc

[stoic spruce]

Put it in wiwhead

Wowhead

[stoic spruce]

Fuck you

[frozen walrus]

Thanks

[spring bough]

What u can’t read the copy paste code and just visualize it?

[frozen walrus]

Was running it last night. So you think super charger is better than cold blood build?

[rose ridge]

Quick question for my arena/pvpers. example if are you playing a 2v2 comp let’s (healer and dps) vs (healer vs dps) and you wanting to stun the healer while putting on dps on the other dps. How do you the macro so it targets the healer for a stun and reset back to dps? Do you click on the healer and cc or tab? What’s your go too?

[stoic spruce]

It's just 10% crit, in no world would outlaw find value in it

[jolly sierra]

fuck you

[stoic spruce]

SEXOOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[vocal surge]

Ye

[vocal surge]

EZ

[stoic spruce]

[ionic crown]

is there an addon for remind if 0 charge cheapshot?

[frozen walrus]

Do you mind me asking why? Just trying to learn a bit more about Outlaw.

[vocal surge]

It makes your first 2 spells cast after Adrenaline is used to hit 42.8% harder

since its adding +3 Combo Points (running Super Induction) to your 7 combo point finisher

For BTE spam, it increases your Ace proc odds up to 50% from 35%

also if you're running Menacing Rush, those abilities are amplified by 20%

[frozen walrus]

Thanks for the info. What other thing that I am having trouble with is the opener. What is your ideal opener?

[vocal surge]

Cheap Shot --> Dispatch --> Build to BTE

[outer sky]

Just make it a big icon on your cooldown manager

[stoic spruce]

Yeah like 99% of the pve stuff can translate to pvp because when a spec has 0 dps cooldowns, it doesn't really have nuance in terms of rotation dynamics

Shocker I know

[potent pivot]

This one works off u having different gem types, it’s bad

In TWW we used a similar one but it didn’t require diff gem types

[vocal surge]

I messed up my opener so bad in the skirm

But I didn't have to worry

the UDK tunnels me

and lets my Fire Mage free cast

Poor duo

misplayed so hard

Mugambala, Fire Mage on stair and Augvoker on the opposite side of the pillar corner same side of the map of the stair that fire mage is positioned at

I open up on Augvoker

Fire Mage tries to open up on me with Ring of Frost on the corner

I just step to LOS him

[frozen walrus]

Do you always RTB before your opener or do you save it for using AR?

[vocal surge]

AR --> RTB --> Cheap

Need that loaded dice spice

and the Augvoker retreats across the pillar to the furthest point away from his teammate

and goes to make a lap

while his mage buddy chases after me loll

[frozen walrus]

So you AR RTB BEFORE you open!?

Great advice! Thanks!

[vocal surge]

Ye

Why setup while people are CC'd

Thats a lot of wasted time on em

[waxen meteor]

I wish darkest night can work on ST as well

[vocal surge]

This skirm was a complete slug out lmao

Enemy Team:
Ret Pal - Holy Pal - Guardian Druid

My Team:
Ret Pal - Holy Pal - Outlaw Rogue

[severe helm]

be aware

adr from stealth

will break stealth

if you have a target in los

cuz it shoots coins

[vocal surge]

^

[frozen walrus]

Oh wow didn't know that. So should I do it without having someone targeted?

[vocal surge]

Up to you on how you wanna open

[severe helm]

yeah either you give them a global to react before you kidney

or you throw away some coin damage

considering how weak coins are right now id just drop the damage

[rose ridge]

What’s yall macros for switching targets in arena? Or do yall click and cc? Mouse over? Any advice is appreciated.

[vocal surge]

Im just a tab target enjoyer

[severe helm]

I use scroll up/middle click/scroll dowwn for targeting arena 1,2,3

[dark stump]

click or tab enjoyer , i also have macro for focus player

[rough rock]

Wait so if you don’t have anyone targeted it won’t drop stealth?

[severe helm]

Yes

[median ferry]

yo guys which enchant on weapons for sub ?

[potent pivot]

wouldn't bother enchanting honor stuff

probably going to be 1rendorei 1 mastery

[median ferry]

okk

[snow harness]

nanana

enhance gonna be busted

[placid copper]

is there a stat priority guide for either sin pvp or subt- ? somehwere? looking for vers/master/crit/haste

is that irght

[jaunty osprey]

Weapon chain if not fixed 😂

[jaunty osprey]

Mastery -> haste -> vers -> crit

For both sin and sub

Haste up to a certain value for sub

[severe helm]

is shortened disarm duration even worth a wep enchant?

[jaunty osprey]

For pvp, yes

[severe helm]

I feel like not that many specs run disarm

[placid copper]

you're telling me for pvp, haste is better than versatility? i thought versatility was the go to pvp stat

[jaunty osprey]

2.5 seconds vs 5 seconds

[severe helm]

thats like so weak lol

[jaunty osprey]

Very impactful

in pvp

[pastel burrow]

We have a haste cap we need to hit

[jaunty osprey]

Esecially if you’ve ever gotten disarmed right before you try to gouge or kidney healers

or disarmed in your vanishes

etc etc

it’s way better than a real enchant to play 1 weapon chain

[severe helm]

yeah I guess if someones out of cc when youre trying to setup they could do a lot of things

still delays your go by 2.5s idk seems like it feels better than it actually is

[jaunty osprey]

Well

if you get disarmed on your dance

You lose your whole dance

Now you don’t

[severe helm]

I mean if they could disarm you they could do other stuff to you to

sounds like a setup issue

[placid copper]

do you have an elite sub pvp talent treee? and/or a great subt pvp talent tree? and what type of pvp specific talents are the best? dismantle? if you have the character string code or something i'd greatly appreciate htat

[severe helm]

I guess it depends whats in meta

[jaunty osprey]

Not really

[severe helm]

monk is the annoying one to me

cuz its ranged

[potent pivot]

pins

[severe helm]

how many specs have disarm? War, Rogue, Monk, and Boomy(but dispellable)

[jaunty osprey]

Put it this way, when you kidney shot a healer as a sub rogue, they know you’re gonna dance - so you get pre-disarmed while you’re still on GCD from kidney

now you can still dance cheapshot

[potent pivot]

specific 3 pvp talents are disarm, bomb, preemptive maneuver

[jaunty osprey]

before the healer is out of kidney

[severe helm]

Yeah I guess if that person who disarmed you is still out of cc theyre prob gona pre in other ways too

regardless

I assume they fix it haha

enough people know about it

so its prob on the radar

[potent pivot]

i'm ignoring that dog shit

[placid copper]

i appreciate it

[potent pivot]

it will get fixed

[jaunty osprey]

nothing is relevant until fixed

this is blizzard we’re talking about

[severe helm]

yeah

they fix beneficial things

[placid copper]

wheres the best place to find great talent tree for assassination pvp?

[severe helm]

they wont fix sometihng that hurts a specs damage though

thatll take a full xpac

[potent pivot]

all pvp pieces have vers on them. focus haste/vers pieces then mast/vers pieces

[placid copper]

whats the haste cap?

[potent pivot]

around 685 haste rating when scaled up to pvp ilvl

[placid copper]

ok cool!

[potent pivot]

600-700 haste rating is fine

[jaunty osprey]

#pvp message

and then scroll down

I shared 3 builds

[placid copper]

oh sweet ty

[snow harness]

its between arcanoweave or banding for me i think, BUT ... but.

the pango on jewlery could also be pog. i just wish it told us how much of the stat we are getting lol

[potent pivot]

TO YOUR TARGET

thats a healer embellishment my guy

[jaunty osprey]

HELPFUL SPELLS

Start bandaging your allies

[potent pivot]

where are you getting this information?

[snow harness]

oh lmfao

ok so its between arcano or banding then

[potent pivot]

pretty sure banding will just give 60vers

since vers will likely be our highest stat

i don't see how its any better than arcano

[snow harness]

what is the pve ilvl of conq gear

is it 246?

[dark panther]

stat prio for sub in pvp? is it haste?

[potent pivot]

haste to 600-700 while scaled up to pvp ilvl

then mast

[dark panther]

not vers?

[potent pivot]

all pieces have vers on them regardless

[dark panther]

ok ty

[jaunty osprey]

!haste

we need a !haste command

to explain why we need haste and what values LOL

[lone jasper]

https://x.com/psybear_tv/status/2033214967306940763?s=46

Psy (@Psybear_tv)

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[potent pivot]

yea i'm gonna add the graphic to !stats

[little leaf]

how is outlaw survivability?

[potent pivot]

just didn't want to update it without having assa stats solidified

[dark kernel]

What's a crack shot window

[potent pivot]

not done

q popped

[spring bough]

End of an era 😭

[dark kernel]

Ngl it was a really weak spec but it was really fun

[potent pivot]

sub says haste twice

fml

[frozen walrus]

So basically once you have 20% Haste, you should stack Vers and Crit?

[potent pivot]

all pvp gear has vers on it regardless

you don't really need to worry about that

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[potent pivot]

done

https://www.wowhead.com/news/real-life-quest-gone-wrong-limited-pringles-promotion-undermined-by-scalpers-and-380800

scalpers took all of the pringles mounts

[jolly sierra]

its always scalpers fault fuuck

recalled me to what happened w ps5 wtf

[spring bough]

Scalpers are the lowest of the low. Might even be lower than paparazzi lmao

[potent pivot]

yea

these outside of game things always have this happen though tbh

they only made 3000 codes for this mount

and even though you could scan the QR code from anyone's twitter post, you could also just go straight to the website and do the survey without it lmao

[jolly sierra]

seems like the marketing responsible had no clue about how limited supply does works when is too specific

ppl even uses bots for hoard stuff

[potent pivot]

yep

3k codes is way too little and then having no way to secure who is getting them is... rough

now they're going for $150usd

when they were free 🫠

OH

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-limited-mounts-will-eventually-be-available-on-the-trading-380803

they're just going to put the mount on the trading post anyway

gg scalpers

[dark kernel]

Dude

I don't think I have ever seen worse scalping than the special edition Nintendo 3DS systems

HOLY FUCK

[jolly sierra]

haha go fuck yourselves scalpers

[dark kernel]

What is suffering time to try to get a freaking system

[jolly sierra]

glad they were screwed up

[little leaf]

Is outlaw overall stronger or weaker than last expansion?

[potent pivot]

weaker utility

damage? who knows

[little leaf]

How is our survivability?

[potent pivot]

not any different

[outer sky]

Seems a bit weaker losing CDR on feint, evasion, and vanish

Did they revert the outlaw specific preemptive maneuvers nerf? I know the rational behind it was outlaw had higher uptime on feint than the other specs did so that talent was nerfed to balance that out. But now its uptime is the same. So the nerf doesnt really make sense

[severe helm]

bro thats def not true lol

outlaws survivability is definitely lower

just in not running double vanish/losing cdr on vanish

let alone losing cdr on evasion

I think the vanish change is bigger tbh

vanish is an insane defensive

[potent pivot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cry-more-cry-baby

[severe helm]

reality check sorry bud

facts are facts

[spring bough]

Less no more double vanish on CDR and healing from it…. No more feint and evasion CDR….. survivability mid now if that 😭

[potent pivot]

i haven't been paying attention to your spec

sorry bud

[severe helm]

no one does 🙁

outlaw is the squishiest rogue spec now nocap

[spring bough]

Damn didn’t even read and we typed the same shit

[potent pivot]

?

[spring bough]

That vanish healing was prob our top healing

[potent pivot]

because of your own talent choice or what

i don't think thats fair to say

[severe helm]

vanish went from a 30s cd to 2 min

[spring bough]

? Shits not on CDR why would we bother with double vanish lol

HO is ass why even talent subt

[severe helm]

and with the class tree changes its hard to pickup double vanish without sacrificing a lot of damage

also our grapple cd went up

and our move speed talent is choice node with stam

also we lost pistol shot passive damage reduction

[potent pivot]

Still

[severe helm]

even if you take double vanish

we have 1/4 as many vanishes as before

over a match

its cooldown was quadrupled

[potent pivot]

I’m not saying as before

You said it had the worst out of all rogue specs

[severe helm]

ye

[potent pivot]

How is it any different from assa

[severe helm]

at best its tied with assa

assa has more passive dr from hero talents

magic reduction on evasion

and physical on cloak

[spring bough]

2 vanish every 2 min vs 4-6 in 2 minutes when it was on CDR…. Not even worth it for the dmg loss and the vanish healing would still rank last for us 😭

[potent pivot]

If you play that sure

[severe helm]

yeah

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t change that it exists

[severe helm]

deathstalker defensive power is a lot higher than fatebound

[spring bough]

Tell that to the devs… wish it was gone…. It’s like outlaw tree has two of the most absolute dog shit capstones I’ve ever seen… where the devs at lmao

[severe helm]

but yeah in terms of assa vs outlaw, outlaw has some extra "defense" in that grapple is good to get away with but assa has more defense through hero talents

[potent pivot]

law can also just get -5% from trickster

[severe helm]

YUGE

[stoic spruce]

Outlaws best defense RN is grappling behind a pillar and getting a restealth if possible

And trickz said to nerf it

[severe helm]

only from the target youre hitting

does assa take double vanish?

[outer sky]

Outlaw hack: type /afk before the gates open and you'll never be able to die. BiS defensive

[stoic spruce]

Truke

[spring bough]

Damn night elf’s sounding hot again fuckkkkkkkk

[frozen walrus]

So what gives BTE the ability to reset outside of Ace?

[stoic spruce]

Gravedigger

[frozen walrus]

Ahhhh

Thank you!

[stoic spruce]

Np

[frozen walrus]

Is AR on GCD?

[dark kernel]

No

[frozen walrus]

TY

[rough rock]

when you die

[undone kettle]

anyone having issues where kidney shot just not working

[potent pivot]

haven't heard anything about that nope

you sure the target wasn't already fully DR'd or immune?

[outer sky]

I feel like ive had it happen before where im spamming kidney and it just doesnt go off for whatever reason. And I know its not because they're DRd or because im out of range or whatever because its a new issue. Happens rarely. I could be fried. Idk

[mystic shoal]

any alternative to nameplate cooldowns atm?

[potent pivot]

no

its no longer allowed to track enemy CDs

[mystic shoal]

pain

now i have to use my old eyes and watch

[potent pivot]

more ret nerfs

[marble oasis]

and keeping fire mage somewhat capped

when the changes didn't have "does no affect pvp combat" i was a bit like O.O

[outer sky]

Where's this posted? I dont see it on Blue Tracker

[potent pivot]

wowhead

[earnest orbit]

Can anyone recommend an rbg frames addon? I saw that battleground enemies is still technically being maintained, but it has some nonfunctioning settings now

[potent pivot]

“Battleground enemies fixed” is as good as you’re able to get now

[gaunt hollow]

What poisons do Assa rogues use in BGs?

[potent pivot]

Depends on build

You always use wound+crippling

If you’re running DtB then you add Amp+Numbing

[dark kernel]

You guys ready to PVP

In the critically acclaimed video game phenomenon known as World of Warcraft trademarked.

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-login-play-ironfist-gif-240592917241604487

[gusty hedge]

🪦

[gleaming sentinel]

Ven got outlaw in S tier boys

[potent pivot]

lol really

Earlier he said sub should’ve been nerfed more

When we haven’t even seen how post nerf sub looks yet

[gleaming sentinel]

We’re so back

[dark kernel]

I'll save it for posterity because I do really miss that

[potent pivot]

Why was he playin assa

If outlaw is so s tier

[gleaming sentinel]

He got assa in D I think lol

[potent pivot]

L0l

[outer sky]

So does he just like not have any brains at all whatsoever?

[gleaming pawn]

Ven is notorious for having tremendous amounts of brain damage when it comes to Rogues

[gleaming sentinel]

We sleeper bro

[hybrid sapphire]

hello fellow rogues whats the good news

[crisp imp]

So, to the Veterans and Pros:
Whats the path to gear in pvp? 1600 conq capped. What Happens in Week one? What about that raid Tier Set and catalyst?
Its my First Real Season and im looking forward to it. Just wanna be as effizient as possible and don’t do mistakes gearing

[wise breach]

Cap conquest, cap bloody tokens, get 9 heraldries by winning a BG or a few arenas

Spend conquest on 2 pc (you get second catalyst charge upon hitting 1600)

Spend bloody tokens on offset items (belt, bracers, boots depending on stats)

Use heraldries to craft rings and neck

[crisp imp]

Heraldries just drop in bg win rewards?
What should the pieces be? What will your first conq items be?

[wise breach]

It's a quest you get after winning a BG or 3rd/4th arena usually, and you turn it into one of the PvP vendor NPCs to get the heraldries

Tbh I haven't looked at stat allocation for the tier pieces yet

Wait nvm it can be one of helm/chest/legs and 1 of shoulders/hands, my math sucks

[odd yew]

I wanna say I was looking at stats on tier ahd shoulders were bad stats. This was like over a week ago tho

[crisp imp]

Wouldnt I replace helm/chest with the Tier item?

[wise breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/item-set=1987/motley-of-the-grim-jest

I'm thinking we don't run hands?

Not really sure, doesn't seem like a huge deal either way

The other thing is, if you PvE, you may want to hold off on using your catalyst charges

[rough rock]

It’s crazy cause when was first saying 3 weeks ago that sin was going to be just as good as sub he lost like 9/12 games lmao

[wise breach]

There is another item you purchase with conquest that allows you to upgrade a PvE tier piece to scale to PvP ilvl

[crisp imp]

I Plan to „Main“ pvp

[rough rock]

To be fair even supa and some other guy named arrowhead were saying outlaw way better than sin

Usually supa is pretty fair

[crisp imp]

Thats what I thought he catalyst does? 😒

[wise breach]

The catalyst converts a non tier piece in a particular slot to a tier piece, it doesn't change its ilvl or "type"

So if you exclusively PvP, you would buy a conquest chest piece for example, and then if you put it in the catalyst, it would change its stats and give it the set bonus, but it would still scale to ilvl 289 in PvP

[crisp imp]

Oh
Cant u Create a „scales in pvp“ item if u put the Tier item in it? I thought I have Seen that

[wise breach]

but let's say you do a normal raid and get a tier chestpiece to drop

[crisp imp]

Ah it goes Both ways

[wise breach]

You can buy this to make it scale to 289 in PvP
https://www.wowhead.com/item=267571/conquerors-galactic-varnish

And then you'd save your catalyst charges for other slots

Lets you get 4pc faster

[crisp imp]

I see

But Id have to Use conquest points for thst
Im so confused haha
Just gonna buy a dagger first item 🤡

[wise breach]

Don't buy weapons

You can't anyway

But once you earn 2500 conquest for the season (week 3), you get two tokens to buy free weapons

[crisp imp]

I know 1 is free at 2.5k conq or so
But.. why Not Buy the other?

[wise breach]

They're locked behind the 2500 conquest achievement, can't buy them beforehand, and you'd get both daggers for free

[crisp imp]

Oh, Both

[wise breach]

Now, you could buy weapons with bloody tokens, but it's not really worth it imo since they'd get replaced in 2 weeks

[crisp imp]

Ok, Not gonna spend conq for weapons

Well thank you for now

[crisp imp]

Here u Said „2nd catalyst charge“ at 1600. how do I get First? And how to regularly receive charges?

[wise breach]

Everyone gets a charge every 2 weeks

[potent pivot]

I will have a thing up soon that says what to do week 1

[potent pivot]

This doesn’t seem to be the case this season

Crafting neck/rings seems weak now

[wise breach]

Why is that?

[potent pivot]

Shoulders are fine I’m pretty sure

[wise breach]

In any case, you want two slots to put embellishments in, can be jewelry or offset pieces

[potent pivot]

Because secondary stat gains on items are extremely small and what looks like our bis embellishments don’t go on jewelry

[wise breach]

Ah, fair enough, I haven't looked at which embellishments are best yet tbh

[potent pivot]

Last expansion we had focusing lens which was decent, this expansion we have focusing iris which looks trash

[wise breach]

Writing all this up is making me realize how convoluted this all must look like to a new or returning player

[potent pivot]

Procs X damage and is modified by +1% for every different color gem you use

[crisp imp]

When and how and where can i access it 😇

[potent pivot]

I will have it linked in the pins in this channel once it’s up. I might try to finish it tonight

Problem is I don’t think a lot of the top players are even aware of jewelry being meh this season

[odd yew]

I assume ideal enchants will be posted there too?

[potent pivot]

Yeah everything

[crisp imp]

Why Cant We Use focusing lense?

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t exist

[crisp imp]

Oh🤷‍♂️

[potent pivot]

For this expansions crafted gear

All embellishments, enchants, gems, etc are different in one way or another

[odd yew]

Also a very degen question, casters can run precog and 5% stun DR gem if combining TWW and Midnight diamonds can we stack 2 DR gems or would we do something like a DR gem and the crit meta

[potent pivot]

I have a feeling the old stuff will be disabled

[odd yew]

One can only hope

[potent pivot]

You also lose a lot of damage doing this kinda thing no?

Making kaz alghar crafted items?

[odd yew]

I mean bloodstones when I say diamond

Like a TWW precog gem and Midnight stun DR gem in current gear

[potent pivot]

and people are saying this actually works?

[odd yew]

I was told it does, they have different "diamond" unique-equips

[potent pivot]

if anything it'll just get fixed anyway

thats pretty obviously unintended

[rough rock]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/insaneforpvp/gallery

[odd yew]

Is this not just the same thing as lens?

ig it's a dot instead of just flat damage huh

[potent pivot]

nope

focusing lens damage only changed based on the item's ilvl

only the school of damage changed based on what type of gem you were using

[odd yew]

Ohhhhhh

[rough rock]

lmao i forgot who wersarcht is here

but youre in the new dalaran video

[wise breach]

Tbf it's an extra 1% damage per gem type, negligible

If the base damage is tuned okay, it could be viable

[hearty sigil]

10% nerf for sub tomorrow

Still no impactful disc or mw nerf kekw

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it is though

Last expansion some specs used lens even in pve

I don’t think a single spec uses iris in pve

which is where we generally speaking get our bis stuff from, unless it just has bad stats for pvp

arcanoweave is bis for basically every dps spec in pve that i've looked at

sp buff @severe helm

[unique bramble]

Are there any addons that tell you when you’re on/off DR? So you can anticipate stuns on yourself for example

[potent pivot]

nopers

[severe helm]

Ayooooo that's actual insanely high wtf

But why

After nerfing pl so much

[potent pivot]

bug fixes took away dps

pretty sure

idk

[severe helm]

Weird company rn man

Not sure what's going on over there

[potent pivot]

i heard sp was rough af in pve

like way too much of their dmg was coming from 1 source or something strange

[severe helm]

Interesting

[waxen meteor]

oh seems blizzard helped me to pick alt

fake pikaboo lol

[snow harness]

bro its kinda crazy to think that there is other human beings just like us who have the authority to open some sort of code program on a computer and be like "naw naw, ima nerf this right here" and then thousands of other humans have to adjust to their will.

[snow harness]

is this new? o.O

[potent pivot]

[snow harness]

they removed the 60% pshyic link dmg thing?

like reversed that nerf?

[indigo oxide]

does incaping someone make him out of combat? can i blind then vanish shadowstep sap him?

that doesnt work right?

[hybrid sapphire]

sometimes. nowadays usually not

[hybrid sapphire]

holy shit lmao

[vocal surge]

Me getting MC vibes after a random prompt appeared on screen

[velvet prism]

Which embells are you all going tomorrow??

[snow harness]

arcanoweave is best option i think

[velvet prism]

I have my eye on devouring banding but you can’t put on jewelry

Wondering if jewelry is a necessary craft this xpac

And are you all prioritizing mastery or haste?

[jaunty osprey]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[odd yew]

ik I'm coming back like 4 hours later but I looked back and I was thinking chest, shoulders was like s2 or s3 of last expac lol

[grave basin]

trying out gaurdian and it's so fucking broken

lvl 87 i can pull infinite mobs and my hp wont budge

[vocal surge]

1 Arcanoweave n thats it

[potent pivot]

prob 2x arcano

[broken jewel]

2.4k rogue can't win a random bg on eu horde if my life depends on it. solo shuffle 2.4k and solo blitz 2.4k is 10 times easier than trying to carry randoms in full greens 1 day before pvp launch 🙂 no flame ofc ppc
and if i say something, anything i get muted

[grave basin]

so it's confirmed that bloody token gear

is same ilvl as honor

[compact moat]

What do you put in for prismatic socket ?

[potent pivot]

where u seein that

[potent pivot]

gems. depends on your spec a bit

[grave basin]

mes confirmed with a dev

[compact moat]

where you get the gems?

AH?

[potent pivot]

ya

[potent pivot]

got a clip by chance

[grave basin]

er, im outside atm so cba on my phone

[potent pivot]

or how long ago was it said

[grave basin]

maybe 15mins ago

[potent pivot]

ok

[potent pivot]

https://www.twitch.tv/notmes/clip/FrailPlainOysterCoolCat-JJJJsvXT7Sdeswh4

welp

that makes bloody token gear completely useless

[gusty hedge]

@vocal surge <~~~ Wersarcht
bros been in dalaran videos for years, far back as bfa i can remember prolly earlier

[vocal surge]

Ye

100 xp... for lvl 45...

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

Finally...

[potent pivot]

You been grinding valeera levels with the thing wowhead posted about or sumin

[vocal surge]

All the current delves are complete dog crap to clear

and the delve I can clear reliably for +230k Valeera XP/hr isn't up

[potent pivot]

I think they posted something about grabbing curios in grudge pit and leaving

[vocal surge]

Its already been nerfed

[potent pivot]

Lol

[vocal surge]

Went to a different delve instead

to get clear achievements and treasures

all treasures, and get that story of the day done

[potent pivot]

Blizzard is hilarious

[vocal surge]

if I had decided to grind yesterday

with a priest

we both would be rocking a whopping +230k XP/hr

which is leagues faster than collecting Curios and leaving the delve

[potent pivot]

Zorthas is testing Harldans addon for leveling alts

[vocal surge]

or even solo clearing that delve

[potent pivot]

Looks like it’s reliably 3hr on any spec

[vocal surge]

would've netted more XP/hr

than curio collecting

also sheesh

[potent pivot]

It’s very similar to the leveling guide that was already in the thread from zorthas

Just more side quests

[vocal surge]

Ahh

[vocal surge]

Btw the Warlock on their team was turbo aids to fight

[potent pivot]

But it gives you an in game guide and an arrow to follow

[vocal surge]

Truuu

Succubus Whiplash 50% slow effect that stacks, Seduction, and super high invisibility level passive when out of combat

Then base warlock kit

Fear x2 (Spammable Cast)
Mortal Coil
Infernal Stun
Curse of Exhaustion
Howl of Terror (If talented into)

[potent pivot]

Lock is def looking strong

[vocal surge]

also 2 casts is enough to drop someone

from 100 --> 20%

Soulfire whateveritscalled into a Chaos Bolt

If he gets 2 Chaos Bolts thou, GG

[vocal surge]

imo, they're going to be giga overtuned

Imagine Destruction Warlock - Frost Mage - X

or even Fire Mage if they're feeling feisty

If left unkicked, Frost Mage deals multiple life bars worth of damage

Fire Mage makes Frost Mage look smol with how much output it does during Combustion but less CC

and if you leave that Warlock alone

He'll wipe the team in 3 casts

I should mention he has short Mobility CDs

Even having 1 destruction warlock on the enemy BG team is effectively an instant teamfight loss condition

Without 1 of your own

[warped holly]

Hej, long time since i played pvp as sub. Going to play some rogue/mage before 3s. Any kind sub that can give me some pointers, not sure how we play now. Just a general open and burst setup would be nice to have

[potent pivot]

can basically copy pve, the spec is extremely simple now

cheap from stealth/vanish before using dance where possible, to enter dance with full combo points

won't be able to do it all of the time

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Haste
Sub now uses a haste threshold to get more GCDs in Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.

[potent pivot]

sub plays haste/mast/vers now

[warped holly]

We play trickster?

[potent pivot]

for right now yeah

[warped holly]

KS for cc mostly?

[potent pivot]

wdym

[warped holly]

Cs for killtarget

[potent pivot]

most of the time yea

[warped holly]

Just dance first open?

No sectec?

[hybrid vessel]

whats the weakaura equivalent for midnight? like the "resource bar" with most used spells etc

[potent pivot]

always sec tech with dance

[warped holly]

Ok, so opener is full burst but no blades

[potent pivot]

didn't say that

[warped holly]

Get trink

[potent pivot]

what CDs you use and when is situational

you're just gonna have to trial and error

[warped holly]

Ofc but general

Need a base to work from

[potent pivot]

depends on too many factors

what CDs you can get enemy to trade/what CDs your team has to take them, etc

putting CDs on CD is generally more valuable

than holding

[warped holly]

But blades must be rare in opener?

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't say that no

[potent pivot]

there's a lot of options for this rn

ellesmereUI is like an entire UI addon that isn't bad on performance

AyijeCDM is a decent cooldown manager addon

Cooldown Manager Centered, Better Cooldown Manager, Sensei Resource Bar

there's like 20 options

[hybrid vessel]

so you gotta kinda mix and match to like customize it decently? 🙁

[potent pivot]

no

i'm saying there's many options

[hybrid vessel]

okok 🙂

thanks!

[potent pivot]

go look those up

and see if you find something you like

[hybrid vessel]

recommended lvling spec? 😛

[potent pivot]

any really

at lower levels you blow shit up regardless of spec

[hybrid vessel]

ait 🙂

[potent pivot]

are u leveling ur first char or an alt

there's a lot of stuff in #1478034741302399250 for leveling alts

new quest guide addon etc

[hybrid vessel]

ye lvling first

not looked into anything just jumped on yday and barely set up UI 😛

found this "follow the arrow" addon that supposed to be fast but i dunno 😄

but it seems to just show me the campaign tbh

[potent pivot]

well your first character HAS to do the entire campaign

if you want to unlock world quests and weekly quests

first character takes a while. like ~8 hours give or take depending on how you play

[hybrid vessel]

ah fair

anything worth doing along the way or just pump campaign and finish off with delves or something?

[potent pivot]

do all the delves first except the 2 that the campaign make you do

make sure you pick up the delve quests, they're always near the start of the delve once you enter them

its a lot easier to blast the delves at lower level due to level scaling

[hybrid vessel]

alright ty

[maiden gull]

on a ret with full gear

for the non believers

12% more tommorow

[potent pivot]

supercharged bte is bugged

gl once its fixed

[maiden gull]

what is bugged?

[potent pivot]

supercharged bte

[maiden gull]

yeah but how

[potent pivot]

the 2nd sueprcharger stack consumed by bte sometimes acts as if it had an extra few combo points spent on it

[maiden gull]

it was the first stack i used

[potent pivot]

i'm just telling you where these bigger bte's are coming from

idk the full details

its finicky

but expected to be fixed

[maiden gull]

we will see, but if you count in that you need 20 stacks and it increases the dmg by 60%+ 3x Crit damage seems fine to me tbh

[gusty hedge]

it's bugged

it's supercharger in general with forced inc gives more cps than listed. its good for now but it wasn't intended

lets see wat this 4-5 hour mt fixes only thing i hope they dnt fix is moggin illusions on artifact dreadblades again

[livid radish]

Hello, does anyone know if horde and alliance can queue for unrated pvp together this time around?

[jolly sierra]

nope

[livid radish]

nope you dont know, or nope you cant? Apparently it has been added in 11.0.7 but i cant try rn

[jolly sierra]

No, Horde and Alliance can't queue together for unrated PvP.

happy?

[livid radish]

thank you, sorry for asking i guess

[pastel burrow]

Uh

[pastel burrow]

No they definitely can

Me and my mates have been qing skirms and unrated bgs without any preamble

You just get faction swapped temporarily

the mercenary mode is automatic now

[jolly sierra]

i tried and nothing happened

are you sure wasnt rated?

[pastel burrow]

Definitely was not rated

My mate was a gnome and turned into a goblin

[red obsidian]

ye me and a friend did that too, my vulp got turned into mwchagnome 🙁

[rough rock]

Yk I wish there was more lore for you guys or more meaningful people in positions

Feels kinda weird the entire expansion so far not seeing any horde leaders lmao

[pastel burrow]

With how WoW writing can be

Sometimes it's better to be the forgotten race

Hate to be an elf enjoyer these last few expacs

[queen geyser]

Bro Lorthemar is right there

[rough rock]

He is like Disney character. My undead brothers need to shine

[dark moon]

dev dh feels so weak in world pvp/1v1 situations

guessing same goes for havoc since they removed netherwalk

[spring bough]

How long is maintenance supposed to be

[dark moon]

That question is not to be asked

[spring bough]

I hope it’s a nice and painless couple hours

[outer sky]

Today begins the most boring season in wow history

[crisp imp]

still counting on you! 😉

[spring bough]

Sub or outlaw

[outer sky]

Doesnt matter. Only 1 rogue spec having any CC is boring

[spring bough]

2pm EST... hopefully it hits the mark

[outer sky]

Apparently us PvPers are the only ones getting our free catalyst charge this week

[red obsidian]

what slots are you cuties crafting into? first time getting into the thick of pvp so im pretty cluegi

[outer sky]

Im most likely crafting boots and a belt

[broken jewel]

I would like to always play for the alliance side because if i start to type about the average eu horde pug is i get banned from discord and wow 🙂 smiley face 🙂 no flame ofc

the mercenary npc has no option for me to select when I go and talk to him so rip

again, I farmed 276 on 2 chars full gems and 15k honor , and I don't smoke irl but I need a cigarette

typing this in a battle for gilneas with 2 rogues in my team hp 290k is xdxd:)))

[red obsidian]

are both pieces 3 heraldries?

[spring bough]

crafting ring/neck for the free 9 conquest heraldies we get then doing honor bracers/belt to put arconweave lining on

[outer sky]

No, 5 for boots 4 for belt

[outer sky]

I think this is a mistake

Secondary stats are lower this season and thats all you get from jewelry. Plus, the embellishments we'll be using cant be put on jewelry

So probably want the higher ilvl leather gear

With your embellishments

As opposed to higher ilvl jewelry and lower ilvl leather/embellishments

I was talking to Trickz about this the other day and he was saying boots/belt is the biggest week 1 power spike

And I think hes right

[crisp imp]

which means you use your 9 conquest heraldies to craft boots and belt, yes?

[outer sky]

Thats what im most likely going to do, yes

[crisp imp]

with vers+mastery?

[outer sky]

Im honestly not sure. Probably haste/vers is the safest bet for sub. Since we want to hit 18% haste in pvp.

[pastel burrow]

I think conq priority is definitely Vers haste until we're above 18% yeah

Then fit in mastery wherever you can

[outer sky]

In thinking of gearing one of my rogues with haste/mastery gear and running low vers. I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT. But i have 4 rogues so im gunna try it on one

[crisp imp]

18% haste gives +1 second SD or 2?

[outer sky]

2 extra globals in dance

But that 18% number is in pvp. So like after youre scaled up. I feel like a lot of people in here are going to mess up and stack haste until they have 18% outside of PvP and end up with too much

[crisp imp]

yea i got that.
its my first real season. i really try to NOT mess up my gearing path

[outer sky]

Just hit 18% haste in pvp or 600-700 actual haste stats

Then gear mastery

[crisp imp]

But i do need some kind of rough outline, no?
whats gonna get crafted with which stats.. what to buy in conq. which set items to get. etc.

[outer sky]

You ideally want to craft everything besides your tier set pieces

[crisp imp]

im probably just gonna fuck up day 1 🤡

[outer sky]

I actually dont even think thats possible.

One thing thats really good this season is that all of our tier pieces have good stats

Head: Versatility / Mastery

Shoulders: Haste / Mastery

Cloak: Versatility / Mastery

Chest: Critical Strike / Mastery

Wrist: Critical Strike / Haste

Hands: Critical Strike / Haste

Waist: Haste / Versatility

Legs: Haste / Versatility

Feet: Critical Strike / Mastery

[pastel burrow]

If you're stressed about fucking up just take gearing slow and follow whatever ppl are doing after a few days

But as zicore said I don't think you can mess up

[outer sky]

Like as long as youre not crafting crit gear youre probably fine

[crisp imp]

i mean, by messing up i mean.. slowing myself down and putting myself behind by buying / crafting wrong stuff

[outer sky]

And if you mess up you can fix it with tier

[gleaming sentinel]

Wonder what the stats are for warmongering gear. Usually can snag boots and belt on outlaw

[outer sky]

Nah man you can fix it with tier

Like lets say you have too much haste

[crisp imp]

how? i dont get it x)

[outer sky]

Because all of our tier has good stats this season

So if you have too much haste

Run tier head

If you have too little haste, dont

Every tier piece has haste or mastery

So if you mess up you can just tune it with that

[crisp imp]

i see

[outer sky]

But like jack said just take it easy today and by this this evening we'll have a pretty good idea of what most people are doing. I have 4 rogues im gunna try a couple different things

[crisp imp]

yea sure, im not stressing myself. and first need to enjoy playing any way. will check in here regularly probably

[outer sky]

Its what we're here for 😀

[jaunty osprey]

GM

[normal furnace]

Which embellishment on the boots and belt?

[outer sky]

Arcanoweave most likely

[crisp imp]

now lets say these 2 items got the embellishments. that means you cant wear other pieces (like rings) with embellishments, right? so 2 embellishments max?

[outer sky]

Correct

[dark kernel]

I'm toying with engineering goggles and boots pure haste

[outer sky]

Oh fuck yes guys I am so locked in for the season to start today. I woke up extra early, had steak and espresso for breakfast, took a 2 mile walk, no real work to do today. Ready to own you noobs

[spring bough]

im waiting for my groceries to get delivered and i took the day off... peak lazy INC

bout to game from 2pm to 2am and get that duelist lmao

at minimum

[outer sky]

Im going for day 1 elite. Ive gotten it day 2 the last 2 seasons but at 2300 rating i can probably get it day 1

[spring bough]

I just gotta decide do I start with DH or rogue

[outer sky]

Probably DH if your rogue is outlaw

[spring bough]

I did get to 2380 first day or two of season 3 in solo with the outlaw…. Elite might not be too bad to do today 😂

Dev DH might throw people off that don’t know how to handle it yet….. hmmmm decisions decisions

[molten hedge]

On assa?:)

[outer sky]

Maybe will try

[molten hedge]

Do u have a mast rog

[outer sky]

No but I may gear one that way

[molten hedge]

I’m in the mood to shuffle on dev and blow ppl up

[spring bough]

evoker or DH type dev.. lol

evokers be juicing people lmao

[outer sky]

That reverse execute they have is really annoying when youre playing it ngl

[livid radish]

thank you very much

[pastel burrow]

no worries boss, have fun 🫡

[molten hedge]

Lizard

[molten hedge]

It’s just so good in shuffle though

But yeah their mastery is wack

[outer sky]

I actually think evoker is the single worst designed class in the game

You basically require maximum uptime on Hover

Any dev will tell you that

Becasue its true

If your class requires near 100% uptime on a permanent undispellable freedom to be viable

Its probably not designed well

[maiden gull]

they should just delete evoker from the game

most spas class ever

doesn´t fit in

[spring bough]

but but dragonflight... lololol

[maiden gull]

yeah

no one asked for that shit

[spring bough]

bnet client just updated.... can blizz hurry up already

[vocal surge]

ngl

I just realized

[vocal surge]

I can already get a Conq weapon

[hollow yoke]

I need advice

[vocal surge]

Hmm?

[hollow yoke]

How do I hunt down some1 if I know they're on the same layer

😭

Open world stuff

[vocal surge]

Find a PvP addon that tracks the location of players

on your screen

with a KoS list that /tars em and puts crosshairs on your screen

to find em more easier

[hollow yoke]

Didn't know that existed

Perfect tho

Buncha gay people ganking low levels

Always fun to bully em back

[spring bough]

what?