pvp

[rough rock]

i can send the time stamp

he posted a video from his stream

https://youtu.be/cIUvICU2Lbk?si=h0JWvjbLmwZaifp_&t=802

13:22

url should do timestamp

[spring bough]

What should the third class be. Rogue, DH, and what other one for the season

[outer sky]

kk will watch it after I lose this skirm to these 2 rets

[rough rock]

evoker

call it your chill spec lol

[spring bough]

Idk how I feel about casters like that. Was tryna level demo lock but idk how well I can play it in arena lol

How’s stormbringer looking for enhance

[ruby tree]

Feral is baller

[jaunty osprey]

@molten hedge assa seemed decent

no?

[molten hedge]

yeah its hard to tell bc its skirms but you guys were banging. my friend grimlock played that comp to glad p easily last ssn with OCD.

[jaunty osprey]

well

the rmp we kept fighting

are multi R1s

and were r1 last season

[molten hedge]

oh i didnt see their names who was it

[jaunty osprey]

calm pherix ozz

[molten hedge]

oh damn i recognize them

the games against them on mugumbalah reminded me when you guys queued that same comp into palumors awc team and won

[outer sky]

Well hello there

[rough rock]

What happen to playing outlaw

[spring bough]

Outlaw career over already?

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/think-use-your-head-clever-be-wise-gif-8351934706222928794

[gleaming sentinel]

we built diff bro

(like incorrectly)

[spring bough]

I may have race changed my human outlaw today

And it’s a drac rogue now for the double jump 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

[spring bough]

That blitz advantage coming lol

[outer sky]

Yeah bro. I played that shit for like 2 hours. And I have no idea why anyone would subject themselves to that. it's SO bad. And a 12% buff aint gunna save it

[spring bough]

12% is phat tho

[outer sky]

needs to be at least 20% honestly, probably more

[spring bough]

8% aura buff inc next Friday for pve/pvp

[ocean thunder]

I am looking at murlok and gear wise i expected more haste, but people get like 10% haste 34% mastery

what's the deal with stats i am confused, i thought we went for like 17-18% haste

For sub that is

[outer sky]

Murlok isnt reliable right now because theres no active season. Also those stats are outside of pvp stats

[potent pivot]

murlok ain't worth looking at for like another month

lots of characters still sitting in TWW gear and shit

[snow harness]

nahj is 7 pikas and 11 kalvishes combined

in my mind

[ocean thunder]

so what's the consensus on gearing?

[potent pivot]

600-700 haste rating in pvp combat

[ocean thunder]

Ok 17% - 612 haste, i should be good and rest (which is just cape and gems) to mastery

[potent pivot]

the reason we say 600-700 or ~18% is because you can go for slightly more margin

in case on you gapping a GCD or because of Coup cast time

[ocean thunder]

yeah its hard to judge however how much mastery gives you in turn

[potent pivot]

so like technically 685 is the comfy spot to be

[ocean thunder]

yeah but is it worth putting all gear with choice to haste plus some gems to haste?

[outer sky]

All? No. And nobody's saying so

[potent pivot]

You will still have some mastery pieces

Especially later on with conq gear

[spring bough]

3 collapsing stars in a row on the lock

GG

net 5% buff tuesday GG

[ocean thunder]

Is there are reason to press blades without pressing dance at the same time? I created a macro with like blades / dance / trinket / racial since i was slow to press them idependently

[potent pivot]

Not really no

I think we play insignia trinket now tho

[ocean thunder]

really? what's the point of randomizing the damagE?

or you say we have good enough uptime on dance that it aligns?

[fathom crag]

badge gives crit its shit

and now sub is perma pump spec

[ocean thunder]

healer dps..

[jaunty osprey]

can you pin this

[potent pivot]

Will probably add it to the stats command

[ocean thunder]

watching pika vid, killing people wiht assa and i think "wow nice!" and then i think "ok pala didnt sanct/ bop/ lay" and monk did not cocoon 😛

[indigo oxide]

do i go for versatility as stat in pvp?

ive just seen here is also a haste breakpoint just like in pve, but after that?

[severe helm]

which one if these is the pvp dummy?

or is it somewhere else

[ocean thunder]

i think it's south of the pvp vendor

on a corridor on the right side as you go south

[severe helm]

east of it but found it ty

[pastel burrow]

afaik haste and mastery are the ideal for sub too, but you dont wanna neglect vers since you'll probably explode with 0

can just vibe it out until someone smarter/more confident says whats what on s1 start

[severe helm]

which spec?

[potent pivot]

yes, basically every piece of gear you use will have vers on it. thats kinda nonnegotiable because all pvp gear comes with vers on it

tier set and maybe a couple crafted pieces being the only real exceptions to that

[molten hedge]

@jaunty osprey vanguards just beat that same rmp as sub fury mw lmao

[indigo oxide]

i see so its haste breakpoint into mastery

mybe a bit of crit?

a bit of soul

[potent pivot]

mhm. the vers just comes naturally on pvp gear

[potent pivot]

naw

base crit damage is nerfed for the entire game in pvp

so unless your spec has really strong synergies with crit, basically no one runs it

[indigo oxide]

dope thank you very much

[jaunty osprey]

i mean sub and MW

are broken af

and then you add another melee that thrives on training 1 target

[molten hedge]

i just thought it was funny @jaunty osprey

they lost to them the skirm before broke their 20 win streak

[spring bough]

RIP to the days of fast outlaw

[hybrid sapphire]

wait can assa xmog thunderfury

[potent pivot]

mhm

[spring bough]

First the DHs stole our glaives…. Now the dagger rogues stealing thunder fury 😭

[safe pelican]

10/4 brother just catching up on the discord about to log in now and get this 90 grind going sub 4 Liferssss

That one season that outlaw was pumping and the boys convinced me to play it , sub was still better lmao o just want duel back

XD why won’t they fix this class im about to level mine just for PvE

Assa mogging swords now is fire

[spring bough]

it feels insane in dungeons and 3v3 skirms... just need some1 healing you lol.... 2s feels kinda ass for it

get caught and u get dropped w out a healer lmao

[hybrid sapphire]

am i just gonna be collecting these forever wtf theres nothing left to buy

[rotund reef]

hey... who at blizz was so hurt, they gave ret paladins a pvp talent to let them see stealth for 20 secs after they bubble???????\

and how do we get this removed o.o

[hybrid sapphire]

its such a dumb gimmick they hate rogues

[gilded gulch]

wait people run that?

i could have sworn no one does

[rotund reef]

in duels

[molten hedge]

in BGs and duels

[gilded gulch]

I was gonna say

[rotund reef]

the most op dueling class needed an extra fuck you in it

[gilded gulch]

most of the time its sanc searing glare and spellward

or consc snare remove

[severe helm]

in blitz its very very strong

maybe not very very

[gilded gulch]

oh i see

[severe helm]

but it can be useful

[gilded gulch]

i got duelist on ret in shuff using obr

[severe helm]

the only 1v1 a paladin can lose is to a sub rogue

if they just wait out every defensive

this prevents that

[gilded gulch]

ok besides i uhh

hoj repped healer

every dr

i forgot people take duels seriously ngl

[rotund reef]

they also about to do the most dmg in a burst in the game on tueday lool]

[rough rock]

Nah enhance does

That shit is scary

[gilded gulch]

ret was prob my easiest cosmetic push ngl

up there with dh

[severe helm]

its probably the easiest spec in the game

[gilded gulch]

i really enjoyed

getting double mm lobby

and watching rounds end in 20

[rotund reef]

i just wanted to vent ty for taking my side

[gilded gulch]

ig its a situational duels talent

since never see it in arena

[rotund reef]

i dont have a situational duel talent to have true stealth

[gilded gulch]

it was funny being in half greens

at the end of the push

[potent pivot]

https://x.com/bicmex/status/2032870896596074811
@outer sky

Bicmex (@bicmex)

ayo... maybe the survival 8% pvp nerf was also supposed to be a 8% pvp buff...

X · Mar 14, 2026, 5:26 PM

[snow harness]

i wonder

[maiden gull]

Sadly true, playing sub feels like a whole different game. The 12% istn going to fix that. They need to give restless blades back as it was, include prep into it and make it a 100% chance to hide abullet after 5cp dispatch. that would be nice

And give us some opener out of stealth which is not complete garbage. #

bake all this into a pvp talent

[warped gate]

I rolled Rogue just to play Outlaw.

[potent pivot]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/follow-the-arrow

^added this to the leveling thread, he's added part of the ~2hr leveling route to the addon

[rough rock]

ooo nice

his discord was 99% people asking for when the route would get added hahaha

[potent pivot]

I bet lmao

The page says the last 2 parts will be finalized and added tomorrow

But it was last updated a day ago so I’m not sure if that means yesterday or tmrw

[severe helm]

Yasssss

[molten hedge]

There’s no way in hell you can get 80-90 in 2 hours lmao

Or is it just a separate 2 hour route that’s fast

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[potent pivot]

He did it tho

No DMF even

2hr 17min

[molten hedge]

Fkn how bro. Is this person like the worlds fastest guy who does this for a living

[potent pivot]

Kinda sorta?

He does speed run leveling every expansion

There’s a YT video of the route

Lots of side quests/some delves/some campaign

[molten hedge]

Ok that makes more sense. But he probably practices it a ton. Idk if the avg person can replicate it in that time

[potent pivot]

It’s just a very optimized route

[molten hedge]

Wild

I thought I was fast getting 80-90 in 5 hours

[potent pivot]

I mean yea prolly not but it’s still faster than shadowguard and not reliant on the delve rotation

Prolly a comfortable ~3hr route for most people/classes

[molten hedge]

Ya I just quested

[potent pivot]

Especially with the addon so u can brain off

[molten hedge]

Yeah I used Azeroth pilot reloaded and sped run it no breaks or any deviation just going fast as humanly possible

On ret

[gusty hedge]

@potent pivot @spring bough one more am4 build done (Glass still has plastic so looks messed up a bit) Gift for my Niece

[potent pivot]

[vocal surge]

Pog

[stoic spruce]

huge

im never peeling my plastic off

I <3 my plastic

[obsidian pulsar]

rdy

[stoic lava]

can I have fast grapple back yet

[glass ibex]

What addon shows DR on nameplates?

[potent pivot]

MidnightDR

[turbid dawn]

Which one route?

[glass ibex]

Thanks!

[red obsidian]

@potent pivot yo famalam, did you come to a crafting conclusion? prolly weave right?

[ruby tree]

Is this not just Azeroth Auto Pilot reskinned?

[jaunty terrace]

any good guide or spec for pvp in sub guys?

[spring bough]

How’s that DH coming along

[marble oasis]

Am i going insane i thought they reduced DR reset period to 16 seconds?

[outer sky]

They did

[marble oasis]

just been testing that midnightdr on a dummy and it's still 20seconds

unless i found more dummies they've used pve settings for.
insane if pve dr is 20 and pvp dr is 16 though

[outer sky]

So i don't remember the specific reasoning/jargon but for some reason its only accurate inside instanced pvp

[marble oasis]

interesting. maybe this addon isn't lying about the DR sometimes being more than 20 seconds

[outer sky]

@marble oasis Keyton created the addon and he explains it here. Because I raised a similar issue to him

[marble oasis]

least i know the number shown is accurate as it was still on DR at 0.5 sec

[marble oasis]

That's awesome thanks. that makes perfect sense. i was wondering why i was DR stunning people despite me braining 16 seconds.
today is a school day!

[ocean thunder]

Darn I read deathstalker over and over, i wanna try it with Assa for fun, it's SO tailored for the burst!
You get:

• +20% crit damage bonus
• Kingsbane +18% dmg on next 2 envenoms
• final mark makes enven crit and do 30% more dmg

and (not putting generators) you garrote -> rupture -> kidney -> kingsbane -> enven -> enven
If you have amplify stacks the final envenom should hit like a truck!

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/stars-gif-20828924

[lime oar]

yeah that was not my experience last night lol

[ocean thunder]

one can dream!

[outer sky]

Actually amazing how just 1 change totally murdered 2 specs

I tried playing outlaw last night

[lime oar]

on assa

[outer sky]

Anyone who thinks a 12% damage buff is going to pull that spec out of the gutter is completely delusional

[lime oar]

pretty much just fighting for my life out here

[outer sky]

Yeah its real bad

[glass ibex]

While I was simming my character for pve, I noticed that Finality and PV are nigh identical in value (with pve gear). Now I don't know if they updated sims to include next week patch or not (most likely yes). But doesn't this make PV just straight up better than Finality in pvp? Finality effect is halved in pvp and the crit damage is halved in pvp aswell.
Also WM stonks go up if you have Rotten.

[indigo oxide]

is there no option in gladius for it to not be showing all the time?

[glass ibex]

wdym?

[indigo oxide]

well its there even if not in arena

[glass ibex]

Do you have test mode on?

[indigo oxide]

i dont know - possilby?

usualy on addons theres this "test here" button but i couldnt find that either

[glass ibex]

Try /gladius test

Or lock

[indigo oxide]

thank you very much, it worked

[final pewter]

what are the stat prios for assa and outlaw? I've got full haste for subtlety (even offhand honor axe, or shouldn't I? :D)

[gleaming sentinel]

Let’s shut the discord down until they remove cheap shot cd

[spring bough]

ready for this season to start.... skirms arent enough lmao

[outer sky]

You want to run 2 daggers as sub. Its a noticeable loss to not do so.

Outlaw stack haste to 20% then crit

Assa probably just stack mastery tbh. Can probably have a bit of haste to help with energy but if you have too much you'll miss out on too much damage.

Also for sub you only need haste to about 18%. Dont need it on every piece. Once you hit that mark you can gear mastery

[vague latch]

anyone try minicc? also any recommendations for starting arenas??

gladius is dead right?

[final pewter]

thank you!

[outer sky]

MiniCC is very good. It basically replaces a lot of the addons and weakauras they got rid of

[outer sky]

Sarena Reloaded is the go to now

[outer sky]

Any time

[outer sky]

Is it actually a surv buff or is Bicmex just being optimistic?

[molten hedge]

How’d they even get everyone to agree that was a good idea (palas)

[molten hedge]

My platy is bugging with MiniCC it’s agg

[outer sky]

Mine works fine with it

I dont use a lot of addons. Im even using the base UI's cooldown manager lol

Which tbf i think they did a decent job with

[molten hedge]

Do u use MiniCC or platy ones (cc and other debuffs) I have MiniCC turned off

[vague latch]

switched back to plater cause the support for bgs is hella mid

figured out showing hp percentages for enemy players and none for friendlies was a good move at least

[outer sky]

I use minicc and turn platy off

[molten hedge]

Maybe that’s the move then

[outer sky]

I like when my addons do different things

Mentally I compartmentalize it like

"MiniCC shows me information, Platy cleans up my nameplates"

[dark moon]

I use bbp but they feel sub optimal for some reason. Wish i can have classic nameplates

Or even tww plates

Guys, share a pic of nameplates if you're currently online and in a bg or something

I need some inspiration to tweak mine

[outer sky]

Here's what mine look like

Except I got rid of the CC icon to the right because minicc does that for me

[jaunty osprey]

A lot of people still use Gladius - look up Gladius by Sammers on curseforge

[dark moon]

Do you have a screenshot from a bg with more enemies stacked?

[outer sky]

Best i got.

[lime oar]

i love the cd manager tbh. just to see how long i have on my buffs etc simple and easy

[proven field]

Implacable burst was so damn fun too

[hybrid sapphire]

transfering sub rogue's layout to my assa main today

[lime oar]

weak

dont give in

[hybrid sapphire]

i wont im just preparing

[lunar forge]

bro how many stuns have other classes, cant 1v1

[wise sequoia]

They "fixed" it. Now I leave stealth when completing the unlocking of the cages.

Your curio method does seem faster. Or at least more chill ... just got from level 20 -> 25 in an hour and 2 minutes ... which is still 4 more hours to go xD

At least the curio method should scale off levels, right? so it shouldn't take longer at higer levels

I could be faster if I didnt mine/herb all the nodes I guess

Also might be faster to team up. The main issue with this farm is that valeera pulls aggro all the time.

[solid sparrow]

are we sub pvpers or assassination? just now getting around to my rogue for the xpac

[jaunty osprey]

sub is the go-to

very strong toolkit

[pseudo fjord]

assasination in bg's, which poiisons?

[jaunty osprey]

amp, wound, crippling, numbing

[pseudo fjord]

ty

[jaunty osprey]

been testing a lot of assa

both builds seem fine - playstyle needs to change depending on build obviously

when i say both builds, i mean the pinned build vs the bleed build

[grave basin]

[dark moon]

slow down, boy

24 weeks of season left

kekw

[snow harness]

2 more days woot woot

[maiden gull]

wwhy 20% haste?

[outer sky]

Gets you a 0.8s gcd with adrenaline rush up

[maiden gull]

dont you have that anyway?

[outer sky]

No

[maiden gull]

Love those things which are no where mentioned in game

outlaw needs crit

this season i think

[severe helm]

its not in the tooltip

you might want a little more haste than that too for energy purposes

21-25% is good

outlaw gearing is kinda up in the air rn for pvp

crit is weird due to the pvp modifier and bte doesnt really hit that hard in pvp anyway

I think outlaw will need a lot of vers cuz the spec is very squishy now

[maiden gull]

fair points, i tried a bit and hit 130k bte´s

on hunter

but thats with ecoing reprimand or however it is called now

and you need crit to stack the damage faster, i think a good mixture of haste and crit will do good tbh

got no energy problems with tea in pvp tbh

i guess you can hit quite hard, but the setup will be difficult

[potent pivot]

No, it’s not. Not at all.

[severe helm]

id need to see this to believe it

bte crits for like 50k for me

[maiden gull]

You need the 10 CP talent

[severe helm]

im aware

im running supercharger

it adds 3 cps

[maiden gull]

yes

[severe helm]

that doesnt triple the damage haha

[maiden gull]

Then u stack Zero In

as Fatebound

[potent pivot]

It starts the DR timer at the moment you cast the CC. It can’t detect when the CC ends.

[maiden gull]

every crit is 100k +

[severe helm]

can you show combat log of this

[maiden gull]

i have to do it quick but yeah sek

[obsidian pulsar]

xp/h 😛

[grave basin]

eh i took my time and did loads of crate farms

ended up with almost 5.5k honor by 90

[severe helm]

nice what method?

just delves?

[obsidian pulsar]

spamming shadowguard point

as ret its op doe

kill them faster then my 1min 30 cds are back

[potent pivot]

Not yet, probably

[obsidian pulsar]

even fasterr

[severe helm]

nice

what tier are you doing the delve on

[potent pivot]

Many spells and talents have different tuning in pve vs pvp. The game modes are also just complete opposites, so no. Not a good indicator.

[potent pivot]

Shadowguard - calamitous tier 1

How do you not know of this

[severe helm]

wdym

also what does calamitous mean

is that the subtype of the delve

[potent pivot]

The sorry rotation inside the delve

[severe helm]

like the weekly rotation

[potent pivot]

Yes

[severe helm]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

Daily rotation

[severe helm]

oh its daily

interesting

[potent pivot]

This is the most popular leveling thing rn

So I’m surprised you haven’t seen it 100 times already

[severe helm]

ive heard it was a delve

didnt know which one

I thought the questing path was competitive to that though

also my characters are so undergeared I didnt even consider it

[maiden gull]

here

first try

180kj

185k tbh

[potent pivot]

Training dummy

[maiden gull]

got no one to test in duel rn

But i hit 130k on a hunter in a duel for testing so

[wanton breach]

sometimes i like to scribble big numbers in the middle of my screen

[severe helm]

Yeah does that actually have the bte crit damage nerf or even the pvp flat crit damage nerf?

[maiden gull]

should so

[severe helm]

It didn't in tww iirc

[potent pivot]

Nah there’s no telling

Dummies are too scuffed

[severe helm]

I wish damage meter worked so we could see how hard stuff hits in a match

[pseudo fjord]

Where can I find secondary stat reccomendations before the season starts (no murlok data yet)

[potent pivot]

Spec?

[pseudo fjord]

Assas

[potent pivot]

Not really going to find any for assa for a while

Hasn’t been enough testing

[grave basin]

are you on na

[maiden gull]

eu

[spring bough]

Anyone use an ergonomic mouse? Just got one in about to see what it’s about lol

[severe helm]

Rip keybinds

[spring bough]

I only use the two mouse buttons and it still has them lol

[severe helm]

Wild

[spring bough]

Everything else 1-5 shift 1-5, and shift a,d and so on

[rough rock]

I want that new Logitech mouse

Shits 180$

[potent pivot]

The one where you can customize the weight needed for clicks?

[spring bough]

I’m getting old I went for comfort

[hybrid sapphire]

i have mine w like 30 buttons on it and its still kicking 6 years later

[spring bough]

Got an ergonomic keyboard w a wrist pad on it too 😭

[severe helm]

Hey I'm over 30 and play outlaw too

[potent pivot]

He’s just joking

[pastel burrow]

Outlaw works in dog years right so that's like 78

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

do you want a better profile

[outer sky]

Maybe? This one doesnt seem like its lacking for me though. As long as i can see debuffs, health numbers, health %, and have an outline color for when something is targeted then im fine. But if yours is clearly better I'll def give it a try

[hybrid sapphire]

i do

[hybrid sapphire]

do you have a screenshot

[spring bough]

He just hacked ur stuff

[rough rock]

Yup 3 of my buddies have it and say it’s so hard to explain how good it is lmao

That for Val/cs gotta be crazy

Maybe I can finally get out of immortal and hit radiant 🤣

[hybrid sapphire]

ty sis

wait how do i import that @potent pivot i dont need a slash command?

[potent pivot]

huh

just /platynator

[hybrid sapphire]

oh wait this isn't for default frames my bad

[potent pivot]

no lmao

[snow harness]

so i was tryin out some assa lastnight, and not only is it not good, but its actually pretty bad lol

[dark kernel]

Two full mythic tours and I'm missing a ring, offhand, and boots

Not bad for 238 ilvl

[spring bough]

think i got a fake logitech keyboard off amazon.... i press the alt key and the windows start button menu pops up... the keys are swapped LMAO

[jolly sierra]

u sure the fkn keyboard is not from other region?

[spring bough]

[proper vortex]

what is more fun in blitz. outlaw or sub?

[potent pivot]

crazy thing is, its not

[jolly sierra]

ret pally discord moment

[potent pivot]

thats gonna be an extremely personal to your own experience kinda thing

[real charm]

Is it preordained to be sub this season? Is pirate/cowboy/highwayman/goon/thug spec too weak damage wise, while simultaneously being to weak survivability wise?

[rough rock]

\

he said outlaw will be A

[jolly sierra]

chat is wrong there

ret sucked in DF s1

until it got blessed by god

in end season

[spring bough]

so i found out i cant shift thru my teammate evo's CC wall thing they got lmao

[rough rock]

looooool

@outer sky

[lone jasper]

best call for help

[exotic dove]

If Ven puts Assa on C tier you know its dogshit

[rough rock]

To be fair its ven, wouldnt listen to anything he says lmao

[exotic dove]

Well the reason I said that is he always puts Rogues high on the tier list I think this is the first time I remember him putting a rogue spec that low

[jolly sierra]

A for arms

that logic is fair

why not lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I swear outlaw isn’t horrible but

[outer sky]

We're reaching levels of cope never before thought possible

[gleaming sentinel]

im just not a sandbagging little baby

[rough rock]

he was pretty much saying "its like have a warrior with more damage and a rogue tookit"

"so lots of comps they can fit into"

[severe helm]

I think a tier list before people are actually doing competitive 3s is pretty nonsense

[rough rock]

was a prediction list

not like a set in stone list

[severe helm]

yeah its pretty hard to tell

[rough rock]

but i get what you mean

[severe helm]

I honestly think outlaw will just get heavily overshadowed by sub and itll be pretty squishy so itll be a lot more of a risk than a warrior

warrior also has a better MS

[gleaming sentinel]

bingo

[severe helm]

and more team defensive utility

[gleaming sentinel]

its clear we're not as good as sub, we know that much. but to say its dogshit is dumb

[grave pier]

so whats the % i want to hit on haste

as close as i can to 20%?

[severe helm]

which spec

[grave pier]

sub

[rough rock]

shoulda pinned it like mewo was asking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1482574726260854835/image.png?ex=69b81b8f&is=69b6ca0f&hm=4425d5ee5d23c05bf2972ef49e6e1ec70772b8a278dfe345368654b9a6fe8635&

[grave pier]

dayumn

so need to basically get as much haste as i can 😄

[severe helm]

make sure youre checking with pvp scaling on

[grave pier]

is this plater?

[potent pivot]

Not quite

You’ll still have a few pieces that aren’t haste

You want around ~600-700 haste rating while scaled up to pvp ilvl

[potent pivot]

It’s platynator. I don’t know if I’ll continue using it over BetterBlizzPlates though

[potent pivot]

[grave pier]

is there a way to trigger pvp stats. Can't find a pvp dummy in the new hub

[potent pivot]

They are to the east of the regular dummies

[grave pier]

thanks. Also if anyone has a good Plater Profile or Betterblizzplates profile i'd appreciate it. Looking for smth for pvp

[potent pivot]

No one rly uses plater anymore

Even in pve most people stopped using it

[outer sky]

They're right here where my character is. Bottom left

[potent pivot]

BetterBlizzPlates comes with preloaded profiles @grave pier

Like 20 diff profiles

[grave pier]

yeah, been trying Kalvish and the others but nothing seems to be doing it for me

[grave pier]

there's not like a guide on part by part to buy im assuming, just make sure u hit this number basically

[snow harness]

oh but it is

[potent pivot]

Yeah. Will try to have something cooked up for conq gear but honor gear is kinda just buy haste pieces til u hit the threshold then buy master pieces

[potent pivot]

Might be operator error idk

[spring bough]

DW someone will link it everyday it gets asked about

[potent pivot]

If I didn’t watch ivans assa beat calms sub multiple times last night I might still believe it

[molten hedge]

😫

Stop making sense bro

The boys know Calamity is up right? I got a 19 minute level on my dev earlier was sick

Just double deep breath and send your empowered spells out and it’s jover

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofoutlaws-werble-gif-23861983

[real charm]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[snow harness]

who is ivan whats his name? im gonna armory his talents

maybe im doing wrong talents, im like 700 haste 250 maastery or w,e not sure if i need more mastery as assa

[potent pivot]

Still testing talents rn

But u can swap left side for right side on spec tree

Both work

[snow harness]

whats ivans name tho i just wanna see his talents he was running vs calm

[potent pivot]

He has multiple characters

I can link the talents

Here he comes I think

[jaunty osprey]

bleed spec, no 4 poisons

[snow harness]

death stalker good?

ty, gonna try this

[jaunty osprey]

bleed spec, 4 poisons

[snow harness]

what is ur haste/mastery?

which is better out of those two?

[jaunty osprey]

it's balanced atm

498 haste, 498 mastery

[snow harness]

ahh yea i think i need more mastery maybe

im all haste no mast basicaly

[potent pivot]

A lil stats isn’t gonna make or break anything

[jaunty osprey]

and then this is pretty much the ST build - this is also good

i still dont know in which context to play which build yet

but they all seem to perform very well in terms of damage

and pressure

[snow harness]

i havnt tried deathstalker yet on any rogue spec i see they re-worked DS to apply from garrote now which is pretty cool

dont gotta ambush lol

[jaunty osprey]

the reason why it's recommended not to play DS is that there WAS some bug that prevented you from reapplying the mark if it gets removed via immunities or other sources

[snow harness]

ahh

yea i pref DS over everything i hope it gets fixed, darkest night is fun

[jaunty osprey]

with our apex talent

[snow harness]

do you crimson tempest at all btw or na

[jaunty osprey]

fatebound kinda synergizes well with it

cause the envenom that follows kingsbane

can proc a bunch of coins

[potent pivot]

Still not 100% convinced the bug is gone

[snow harness]

so this build prob best in 2s then id imagine?

[jaunty osprey]

crimson tempest only if you're trying to target swap as fatebound

as the bleed specs, you crimson tempest to get more pressure going

[jaunty osprey]

ya, im still trying to test more

[outer sky]

Think anything will change with the apex nerf hitting Tuesday? And are you playing like a melee affi lock or nah?

[jaunty osprey]

it definitely affects the playstyle a bit

i was using kingsbane kinda similar to last season

it felt like a cold blood kingsbane

[snow harness]

whats beter, deadly posion or amplifying posion when running 4 posions?

[jaunty osprey]

Wound, Amp, Crip, Numbing

[jaunty osprey]

When I play the fatebound build, I'm strictly ST 1 guy

[snow harness]

kk and for pvp talents hemo / bomb / disarm / feint?

[jaunty osprey]

unless I'm trying to target swap then I press CT and have bleeds on 2 people

[snow harness]

which do you swap around

[jaunty osprey]

Bomb, Feint are 100% of the time

Disarm -> Thick as Thieves -> DFA -> Hemotoxin

[outer sky]

So whats the fatebound build again?

Is it the pinned one?

[jaunty osprey]

this

[waxen meteor]

Coin doesn’t do much dmg now

[outer sky]

How big is tempest honestly. It just feels so bad to press with how much energy it costs

[waxen meteor]

Tbh I like super charge over 7cp a bit, maybe it’s my problem

[snow harness]

yea i dont even have tempst on my bars, idk when i should be pressing

do the targets have to be within 10 yards of eachother to spread the thing?

the longest garote or w.e

[outer sky]

Last xpac tempest was a great button

[snow harness]

yea fr lol

[outer sky]

Idk why they changed it

Seems dumb

Like dont fix what ain't broken

[jaunty osprey]

this was bleed spec last game, NO 4 POISONS

[snow harness]

i like assa i just gotta learn the new way to play it

[jaunty osprey]

tempest is fine to press

[snow harness]

was that bleed spec 4 posion?

or 2 posion

[waxen meteor]

Last xpac sin plays like rockstar

[jaunty osprey]

2 poison

[snow harness]

nesper is always a dirty dog on assa

[waxen meteor]

Sort of can feel the three bleed like hell, and feel the hit

And always a lot of energy

This xpac feels less fun so far not sure why, cp is surely a reason for me

[snow harness]

i like midnight overall

cant wait to get my disc to 90, out of all the apex ive seen, disc priest void shield is the coolest

[outer sky]

Cheap shot nerf plus they redesigned the assa tree so you have to make a lot more difficult choices. It just kinda feels bad to have to leave so much bleed damage on the table to get the envenoms

[snow harness]

yea thats the one thing ive noticed to, assa has alot of tough choices lol

compared to sub

[waxen meteor]

Yeah, I just feel less hitting and feel a bit boring

[outer sky]

Like not taking 20% rupture damage and 10% bleed damage plus execute just to buff envenom feels terrible to me

[waxen meteor]

And the aoe garrote gone is also annoying

[snow harness]

yep 100%

[waxen meteor]

Totally

[snow harness]

not sure how important getting those improved garrotes is now like if i should be vanishing offensivly or saving it defensively

but as an orc, icant meld to get re's, so thats another thing on assa

nelf is just bis for that

[outer sky]

I think generally speaking vanish this season as assa will be for defense or if you need the silence

[waxen meteor]

Well last expac when you vanish and does a super bleed + silence + triple stun and see on three die is very pleasing

[snow harness]

yea stopping an important cast or something

nice thing is we have 2

[outer sky]

And nelf if 100% still the play for assa

[snow harness]

rip triple stun lol

[outer sky]

So really 3

[snow harness]

yea kinda wish i was nelf, orc life

[waxen meteor]

Undead now makes sense lol

[outer sky]

I played some assa on my vulpera and i Def noticed not having meld

Wish they'd just give rogues meld as a baseline ability and nerf the actual racial

[waxen meteor]

How’s feral now

I run into a fucking feral just one shot me at BG

I know he used cd and I have no cd but was really 90%-0 in one stun

[snow harness]

nelf / orc difference matters way more on assa then it does on sub imo

its basically like a go button having it lol cause of the silence / improved garote

matters quite a bit

[outer sky]

Yeah its definitely the spec that a single racial matters the most for. Its less important now than it was but its still big

[waxen meteor]

For sin it’s still important

[outer sky]

Yeah for sure

[waxen meteor]

For sub, it doesn’t really matter

Does meld trigger the first dance though?

[snow harness]

lowkey, bring back necro banner ret/war LOL

[severe helm]

ban this guy

[snow harness]

na cus u need stealth for 6 seconds

to get first dance

[severe helm]

legit

[snow harness]

[potent pivot]

First dance is trash regardless

[severe helm]

necro banner ret war was the absolute peak of essentially granting a handicap placard for certain players

[snow harness]

i wonder how good ret/war will be actually this season

ret/hunter is prob just better

[severe helm]

necro banner feral war was pretty up there too

but fuck necro banner lol

[snow harness]

lmfao

or what was the night fae one condemn

warriors lunging at you every 2 seconds from 30 yards

[severe helm]

condemn was venthyr

[snow harness]

lol

ahh

[jaunty osprey]

brb gotta afk behind pillar for 5 seconds to drop combat then 6 seconds for first dance

[severe helm]

sub rmp players think that is peak skill expression

[outer sky]

Its not terrible in BGs

You have it almost every time you open

[waxen meteor]

RM may have some good reset too, but yeah overall it won’t be picked

[snow harness]

i wonder if mastery > haste is better now with the changes?

[outer sky]

Uhhh why? Id think the changes would make mastery LESS valuable. Our finishers got nerfed

[potent pivot]

Nah

[outer sky]

No sense spending stats on shit that doesnt do dam

[jaunty osprey]

testing in skirms atm

still doesnt feel bad to press CT

as the "ST" spec

[waxen meteor]

I feel sin can keep CT as a point

[vocal surge]

Delve tier is important for getting XP from curios

[jaunty osprey]

i mean yeah you 100% take CT

it's CT or doomblade

and CT is way better

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[waxen meteor]

I think our pin took doomblade over CT

I took CT

I’ve been also trying supercharge over the 7 cp on sin build, I feel I have been stuck on 6cp in burst window

Made me a bit crazy to go another builder for 7 or just send it

Like KB gives us 6 cp

Then do I build another cp or just finisher

so I went super charge with max 6cp and +2 cp effect

[potent pivot]

I mean u just finish on 6

That’s not a reason to drop deeper strat

[jaunty osprey]

especially if you have supercharger

it will trigger darkest night

if you're at 6

[potent pivot]

He’s talking about running charger over deeper

If I’m understanding right

[jaunty osprey]

oh

right

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

You got a two 8cp finisher after KB

[wise sequoia]

Yeah I realized that. Ended up watching star wars for a couple hours while I got her from 25->35. Thats 80% increased damage, which is enough for now 😉

[potent pivot]

Ye but deeper is +5% damage to finishers at all times

[waxen meteor]

In burst window I have serious trouble to send 7 cp finisher

So I’ve been trying to send 6cp super charged

[waxen meteor]

Does the 5% stack on rogue tree and sin tree?

[jaunty osprey]

yes

[waxen meteor]

The cp cap surely stack

[potent pivot]

Ya?

[snow harness]

im finding success with death stalker 2 posion bleed build atm

[waxen meteor]

I feel mentally sick when I have to pick amp poison talent but do not use it haha

[potent pivot]

Same

It’s annoying af

[waxen meteor]

So I haven’t even tried 2 poison this season

It just feels iq<5

For myself

[jaunty osprey]

all 3 assa builds that i linked earlier work well

obviously if you arent playing envenom talents, dont pres envenom as much

[snow harness]

think of this way, your not picking amp talent, your picking 20% rupture dmg

[jaunty osprey]

if you arent playing bleed talents, dont go around multidotting as much

etc etc

[jaunty osprey]

ya literally this

think of it as 2 talent points

to buff rupture

[waxen meteor]

Tue

True

Just mental issue

[snow harness]

my top dam is always garote/rupture by far so it feels weird picking any talent that doesnt buff those abilities

i love applying that pressure and bringing my opponents to deep waters

[waxen meteor]

I will try more sin today

[potent pivot]

Playing for burst shows less overall damage

But it’s usually better effective damage

[jaunty osprey]

i've just been streaming all of my games so far today to see if i can replicate this deathstalker mark bug

cause i truly believe deathstalker mark is fixed

and ya literally what notrickz said

it's pad damage vs damage that actually matters

damage at the right time > details watching

[snow harness]

the envenom talent trade off for losing 20% on ur bleeds isnt worth it imo

[ocean thunder]

i tried really, the assa stuff and then i go sub and i do continuous dmg and great burst

[dark kernel]

Which bug is fixed?

[potent pivot]

Def can be

[ocean thunder]

maybe assa can wait fore the perfect moment and land kills but it's less impactful during the game for sure, and the lack of CC is amazingly bad

[waxen meteor]

Sub honestly even does aoe better now

Additional cs also matters

[potent pivot]

Deathstalkers mark not being able to be reapplied ever again after it’s cleared by immunities/etc

[snow harness]

you black powdering in your arenas bro?

[waxen meteor]

No

I feel sin aoe is just so slow now

I can’t even kill the herb summon quick lol

Well in sub you dance + secret tech all done

[potent pivot]

Idk what it is

But

I think everyone is very much underestimating assa’s burst potential

[waxen meteor]

I need some tutor on how to send two max cp finisher in burst window tbh

[snow harness]

will be less on tuesday tho

[waxen meteor]

It took me forever to build the second finisher

And stuck at 6 cp like at 50% of time

[potent pivot]

That’s fine

[ocean thunder]

no but it's too slow, i dont underestimate it, i kinda measurex it

[snow harness]

😭

[potent pivot]

Why do you need 2 max cp finishers

What purpose does that serve

[ocean thunder]

it's higher burst that sub for sure, but it's once every 1minute wihtout CC

[waxen meteor]

I thought we have been talking about to take advantage of the this

[potent pivot]

Of what? Darkest night?

[jaunty osprey]

SYMBOLIC

oops caps

just one is fine

[waxen meteor]

Kk

[jaunty osprey]

kidney -> kingsbane -> envenom

[waxen meteor]

Yeah that just feels so smooth with super charge

I will try both more

[potent pivot]

That doesn’t have to be max cp no?

[jaunty osprey]

it doesnt

but that's why he was thinking 2

cause it has

2 charges

and he was thinking of max CP becaue he wanted to maximize dmg?

idk

[waxen meteor]

Mental problem 2 lol

Finish at 6 cp when max is 7 is less joy

[ocean thunder]

you can do garrote -> rupture -> kidney -> kb -> enven -> enven
it does a lot of dmg especially wiht deathmark

It takes ages and the opponent is not CCed all the time

[waxen meteor]

How enven - enven

[ocean thunder]

i am not including generators

[snow harness]

i can do ya one better, do envem > evenm > evenmn

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I think the problem is now generator takes a lot of global and even a lot of evergies

[ocean thunder]

yes, a lot of globals.
I can see that happening, not sure however if it's convenient to send your KB whenver you have darkest night or just do whenever with fatebound

[snow harness]

im hoping this season is my 2nd glad with it being 2300 now i think i can do it, gonna try to get it with playing either hunter or ret

[severe helm]

glads 2300 now???

lololol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

Beginning of season won’t change much I guess

[snow harness]

yep 50 wins over 2300

[waxen meteor]

If the developer forgets to adjust how it inflates over end of season

It will be a lot easier

[severe helm]

wows rating system really is one of the worst in any modern competitive game

its so meaningless

[waxen meteor]

True

[gleaming sentinel]

All 2300 means is I will be hardstuck 2200 instead of 2300

[waxen meteor]

Yeah but very likely the developer will forget how inflation works

You sit there and reach 2400 mmr end of season

And reach elite before losing the MMRs

[snow harness]

the glad mount looks super dope

like a proto dragon

[waxen meteor]

How does it look?

[ocean thunder]

Is it only me who is getting DC often when i switch zones? even when i leave BGs etc?

[outer sky]

They changed the threshold for elite to 2300

No idea why

[severe helm]

yeah thats insanely stupid

they could have just controlled inflation

weird decision lol

[potent pivot]

Pushing inflation is too granular

Lower threshold = every type of player sees and understands

Could push participation more than “we’re going to inflate the season faster” imo

[severe helm]

yeah its just funny theyre locked into this "rating" idea

[potent pivot]

I mean yea I agree

It’s another bandaid on top of 20 bandaids

[severe helm]

yeah pretty much

[severe helm]

"screen captured"

[spring bough]

Is it Tuesday yet

[spring bough]

Funny looking rogue

[safe turret]

Anyone have any idea what weapon enchants are looking to be ideal?

[hybrid sapphire]

crimson tempest straight up does NOT work lkmfaooojasdif PMTFOOO

[snow harness]

trascendant soul is such a cool wep enchant

[snow harness]

arena gates open up on tuesday, and you see this gigachad ret paladin walking towards your healer while your hiding in stealth, wyd?

[spring bough]

Probably gonna be on my DH and do some s tier damage

[snow harness]

yea havoc/devour will both be insane i thin

fury is getting a 10% buff to, and i was watching mud play with vanguards and fury already pumps

[tidal snow]

Outlaw pvp season pray

[snow harness]

with the pruning, does outlaw have alot of buttons?

i rembeber trying to learn it and it had way to many buttons for me

[spring bough]

The same as before lmao

[snow harness]

yea thats to much for me

roll the bones tryna get optimal buffs n stuff is just to hard, id rather press 2 buttons

[spring bough]

It’s like 5-6 buttons lmao

[wise sequoia]

Really? I thought it was only glad, and that elite will still be 2400 in SS and 2s

[outer sky]

Nope

All of them

[wise sequoia]

Huh

[outer sky]

Legend, strategist

2300

[wise sequoia]

Strange. Guess they wanna make rewards easier

[spring bough]

I find it funny they only changed elite and nothing else if they wanted to get more people involved

[wise sequoia]

1800 is also almost unavoidable late season

[gilded gulch]

well weapons were dropped to 2.1 in tww

and enchant to 1950

[outer sky]

Imagine winning this

[gilded gulch]

that doesnt look as bad as the skirm i won vs spriest lock hpal

on rogue mage

[spring bough]

Rogue wins 💯

[gilded gulch]

idk how we killed the lock first

well technically i know since lock got stunned low and mage icewalled off the healer so he had to run all the way around a pillar to the opposite side

[vocal surge]

Outlaw healer spec

@queen geyser @outer sky remember this?

[queen geyser]

ye lmao

[vocal surge]

[potent pivot]

Likely 1 rendorei 1 mastery

[safe turret]

is rendorei the main stat proc one?

[potent pivot]

Yeah idr how it’s spelled exactly

Also depends on your spec

[safe turret]

outlaw

[vocal surge]

1 Worldsoul Aegis + Rendorei

[safe turret]

do midnight enchants not stack for double effect?

[vocal surge]

They do

althou Worldsoul Aegis mad value

[potent pivot]

That’s not the same as pve is it

[vocal surge]

Worldsoul Aegis just an absorb shield

but it procs a lot

and it does damage back to the target when it pops

even if its small

them absorbs add up real fast

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

How much of that 1.1mil healing was the aegis

[queen geyser]

I gotta change my name this was a DF Outlaw name

[vocal surge]

1/5

[potent pivot]

I have a feeling everyone will use pure damage enchants

As always

[vocal surge]

They'll nerf it eventually

not the damage enchants

but Worldsoul Aegis

[safe turret]

honestly feel like if the absorbs are just low sustain and not big enough to actually save you in any given window then it doesn't seem worth, even if it adds up to a decent total amount over time

at least for 3v3

[gleaming sentinel]

late season thing if they dont nerf it and you are getting railed in a shuffle lobby

put it on another weapon

[jaunty osprey]

https://i.imgur.com/9spfqF4.png

so 800 cap each week

1600 week 1

[snow harness]

ehh

i forgot about bloody token stuff

lol

[potent pivot]

is that diff

[spring bough]

Wasn’t it just 600 a week

[potent pivot]

iirc yea

[spring bough]

So we get 200 more a week

Don’t seem like a bad deal lol

So week 3 weps

[snow harness]

na it was 800

[safe turret]

they upped it to 800 in war within no?

[potent pivot]

i don't think so?

i coulda swore i remember it being 600

everything online says it was 600/week for all of tww

but that was already an increase from DF

[jaunty osprey]

it's just upped for midnight

according to their post

[snow harness]

interesting healing pre-buff dh

(havoc)

[potent pivot]

where even was their post lol

or was it some time ago

[jaunty osprey]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/midnight-pvp-currencies-and-dates/2258770

2 weeks ago

[potent pivot]

ah

[waxen meteor]

I lowkey felt this part does not a lot...

basically just buffing finisher over finisher

[snow harness]

man 2 more days

POGGIN OUT

[potent pivot]

someone even asked them to confirm bloody token gear ilvl -> ignored lol

[waxen meteor]

maybe we can do Envenom & Envenom just forget kidney adding a vanish cs

[outer sky]

So wait gearing is going to be faster?

[jaunty osprey]

yes

week 1 is the same

but afterwards it's a lot faster

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Thats such a nice change

[snow harness]

interesting aug voker dmg

what is the plan for rogue tier btw

are we doing 2set or 4

[potent pivot]

4

assa is the only spec that might stay 2 > 4 i think

but even the assa one seems alright ig

save some energy

[snow harness]

for the conquest shop token thing you buy to make tier scale or w,e is there a path for how to do that like, like which peices to purchase first or w,e

im gonna do the triple jewlery craft and then from there idk what to buy first with my conq

[jaunty osprey]

gonna start using control is king

[potent pivot]

i really think jewelry week 1 isn't the play this season

[jaunty osprey]

to save even more energy

at this point

[potent pivot]

you just buy it for the same amount of conq that slot normally costs

so like if you're adding pvp scaling to a pve chest, it'll cost you 875 conq to do or w/e

[snow harness]

what if your not doing pve , how would that look then

as far as your purchases go

[potent pivot]

they need to make that one free kidney shot and refund 5 points

it wouldn't be much different

a pvper would just buy the chest and then catalyze it

a pver will buy the item from the conq vendor to add scaling to their pve chest

[snow harness]

ahh gotcha kk, and if no jewlery what should be the peices we craft with heraldry

[potent pivot]

u spend the same conq regardless

[potent pivot]

i'm thinking that something like boots+belt, both with arcanoweave embellishment is gonna be the best option

[snow harness]

part of me wants to get conq jewlery for the high versa values to be more tanky but might be troll

[potent pivot]

once we're fully geared we'll craft weapons anyway, if the weapon embellishment turns out to be decent we can swap to it then

[potent pivot]

they didn't mention when conq cap would be removed

that shit has stayed week 11 for multiple expansions now though so i guess we can assume that ain't changing

[jaunty osprey]

conq cap is removed 2 weeks after .5 patch

too lazy to look for source right now, but it's been 2 weeks after .5 patch every season

since DF

[potent pivot]

isn't .5 patch like

hella early this season

april something?

there's no way lol

[jaunty osprey]

no clue

but it would make sense

because of the conq increase

you'll be fully geared

so fast

[potent pivot]

in 6 weeks?

idk

.5 is supposed to be towards the end of april

[keen fractal]

are we just slamming haste as sub? outside of the pieces that only hve a mastery/crit option?

[potent pivot]

600-700 haste rating in pvp combat scaling

[keen fractal]

ok so the same as pve haste break point then y eah?

[potent pivot]

yes

[keen fractal]

sick ty

[potent pivot]

then all mast

[jaunty osprey]

yeah but it's 2 weeks after the .5 patch

[keen fractal]

mast enchants or primary stat weapon enchant?

[jaunty osprey]

so then that'd be like week 9

[potent pivot]

which would be like 7 or 8 weeks

[jaunty osprey]

april 28 is 7 weeks

2 weeks after = week 9

that's 8000 conq

[potent pivot]

the potential date rn is 21st

[jaunty osprey]

875+700+525+875+525+700+700+875+700+525+525=7525

for full conq gear

(free weps and 9 heraldries)

[potent pivot]

if thats correct it'd be 8

but idk

[potent pivot]

wouldn't bother enchanting honor shit

but we'll likely use 1 main stat 1 mast on weps

[vocal surge]

You can discount some of it

if you PvE

and get Myth track tier sets

[fathom crag]

always primary stat early xpac imo

[potent pivot]

You get more uptime using 2 diff

[fathom crag]

i see

[potent pivot]

That’s why they’re doing 1 agi 1 mastery in pve afaik

I do think 2x arcanoweave embellishments are good tho

Compared to getting random stats from darkmoon hunt or vers from darkmoon void idk

[snow harness]

isnt the ires dmg proc thing best?

forget name of it

procs arcane dmg

[severe helm]

So turns out there's a bug with super charger right now making it add 6cps to bte instead of 3 which is why yours is hitting so hard

Let's hope they don't fix it haha

But it's also random not consistent

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so? Not even sure which u mean

[outer sky]

Wait youre saying outlaws damage is currently bugged to be TOO HIGH??

[snow harness]

its an embelish that procs arcane dmg, i think i saw on iceyveins its bis for alot of pvpers

not sure about rogue specifically

[severe helm]

For bte yes

[snow harness]

ill try find it after this bg

[severe helm]

And positive bugs tend to get fixed pretty quickly for outlaw

[potent pivot]

IceyVeins is kinda dogshit for pvp now

Idk

[spring bough]

Only class to get a PvP buff then a net nerf when bug gets fixed LMAO

[outer sky]

If that bug gets fixed then Outlaw is gunna need at least like another 20% on top of Tuesday's buff

[severe helm]

I don't think it's worth that much overall

But it's a pretty big burst buff

[snow harness]

whats your guys thoughts on sps at 90 with full honor gear

decent? or kind of underwhelming

[outer sky]

@waxen meteor shoulda known better than to mess with the Vulpera rogue, man

Ill get ya every time

[severe helm]

Felt pretty good

Was blasting in blitz

Then they nerfed its aoe cleave by 66% lololol

Soooooo

Idk

Might be fine in 3s

Silence feels very strong atm

[snow harness]

yea thats a pve thing

no pvp changes for shadow on tues

[severe helm]

That affects pvp

[snow harness]

im lvling it atm and the scaling is weird, i do more dmg as disc lol