pvp

[spring bough]

It was promised

Who knows atp 🤷‍♂️

[dark kernel]

Where do I cash in being right about no changes today

[potent pivot]

They don’t HAVE to announce it today though?

Might announce it Monday or somethin

[snow harness]

that is true, i just didnt know if it was garuntee/promised for 17th tuning

if there is, then itl prob be posted like tomorrow or monday or somethin

[potent pivot]

It’s supposed to be yeah

They announced it weeks ago

I’ve been waiting to do more alts til we see it so today would be nice

[spring bough]

Gotta have that one S tier ready to go 😂

[potent pivot]

Whatever melee is looking the strongest

Havoc buffs would be nice

I haven’t seen many running around so I assume they’re not great

But I def have to play mine to get that glaive from the raid

[vocal surge]

ITS HEWRE

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-incoming-incoming-for-season-1-on-march-17-380784?utm_source=discord-webhook

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

+12% ALL DAMAGE BUFF

[outer sky]

WTF

[molten hedge]

sub 10% pvp nerf but ss and evis buff?

[spring bough]

Only for PvP is crazy lol

[outer sky]

Yeah sub made out REALLY good. They basically broke even

holy shit

[potent pivot]

Assa got nerfed kek

[exotic dove]

RIP Assa Hello Sub only lol

[vocal surge]

[jaunty osprey]

😂😂

[spring bough]

Trickster sub still buffed even in PvP looks like? Pve gains net of PvP loss still looks like a buff lol

[marble oasis]

wait i'm sorry

what did they just do?

[outer sky]

They basically didn't touch sub or maybe even buffed it a bit

nerfed assa

buffed outlaw

[exotic dove]

Assa is dead Sub or oultaw now

[marble oasis]

isn't Secret tech's ability damage only the first hit?

or am i trippin

[potent pivot]

No

[jaunty osprey]

😂😂😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[outer sky]

This is crazu

crazy*

you could actually argue this is a sub buff

[marble oasis]

i've gotta say i'm actually shocked

[exotic dove]

In my mind they did buff Sub its more of a gain then a nerf

[jaunty osprey]

Assa actually got hard nerfed

[potent pivot]

It isn’t

[outer sky]

well it aint a nerf

[marble oasis]

all they've really done is make ST weaker then. but all follow up damage buffed or neutral

[outer sky]

2% evisc nerf, 5% shadowstrike buff

[jaunty osprey]

It’s a big sub nerf

[potent pivot]

It is a slight nerf yes

[jaunty osprey]

Damage outside of your burst doesn’t matter

Shadowstrike and backstab are irrelevant

Sectech got hit 10%

[outer sky]

shadowstrike got a 5% buff

i dont think strike is irrelevant

[exotic dove]

Good point that being said its still going to be strong while Assa was kicked while it was down

[jaunty osprey]

It’s 3.5% buff

[marble oasis]

you actually played sub?
shadowstrike hits like a truck

[jaunty osprey]

100*.9 = 90% damage

[jaunty osprey]

90*1.15 = 103.5%

so shadowstirke does 3.5% more

[outer sky]

so a 2% eviscerate nerf

slight strike buff

[gleaming sentinel]

ThEY aReNt PvP TuNiNG. REALITY POLICE @severe helm

[outer sky]

10% sectec nerf

[exotic dove]

2% evis nerf really isnt anything imo

[stoic spruce]

My dmg was pretty good so I aint complaining lol

[stoic spruce]

decent

[outer sky]

yeah its irrelevant

[gleaming sentinel]

We’re big chillin my friend

[stoic spruce]

not good

[jaunty osprey]

Let’s keep this channel relevant

Talk about this

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[severe helm]

See now I get to be happily surprised

Set expectations low bud

[gleaming sentinel]

🤝

[exotic dove]

Yeah Assa is dead imo for me this season

[marble oasis]

our biggest win in this

fkin tanks

[outer sky]

i dont think thats enough ngl

[marble oasis]

nope

but it'll help

guardians damage getting slammed also will help

i'm looking to see mist monk as they have been busted

[potent pivot]

I don’t think 12% is enough for outlaw either

[exotic dove]

I see so that means we are all Sub rogues now

[snow harness]

uhm guys

why did they buff mw and ret?

[potent pivot]

Because no brain

[snow harness]

Sheilun's Gift healing increased by 60%.
Sheilun's Gift clouds now increase its healing by 10% per stack (was 33%).
Jadefire Teachings now increases the transfer rate of Ancient Teachings by 260% (was 200%).
Way of the Crane now transfers 340% of damage onto 1 ally (was 125% onto 3 allies).
Jadefire Stomp damage now transfers into Ancient Teachings at 20% effectiveness.
Developers’ notes: Jadefire Stomp's tooltip will be updated to reflect thisin a later patch.
Invigorating Mists healing increased by 30%.

[outer sky]

Its not. Needs at least 20% IMO

[outer sky]

Rushing Wind Kick no longer deals 20% increased damage in PvP combat.
Jadefire Stomp damage reduced by 50% in PvP combat.
Mistweaver
All healing reduced by 8% in PvP combat.
Sheilun's Gift healing decreased by 20% in PvP combat.

Looks like a MW nerf to me

[snow harness]

ah sht, yea i didnt read the pvp stuff

Backstab/Gloomblade damage increased by 20%.
Shadowstrike damage increased by 15%.
Eviscerate damage increased by 8%.
Melee auto-attack damage increased by 15%.
Black Powder damage reduced by 12%.
Potent Powder bonus Black Powder damage reduced to 20% of Mastery (was 30%).
Trickster: Unseen Blade damage increased by 20%.
Trickster: Nimble Flurry effect reduced to 50% of listed attack damage (was 65%).
Trickster: Clever Combatant crit bonus for Shuriken Storm reduced to 10% (was 15%).
Shaman

[potent pivot]

They nerfed A LOT of shit

[snow harness]

time to whip out the goomblade tech

[potent pivot]

Warrior nerfed

[marble oasis]

wait wtf really?

[potent pivot]

Nope

[snow harness]

Marksmanship
Consecutive Concussion now slows movement speed by an additional 10% (was 20%).

[marble oasis]

i didn't even look at warrior as they're in doomsville already xD

[snow harness]

70% slow now instead of 80

Ray of Frost damage decreased by 20% in PvP combat.
Frostbolt damage increased by 100% in PvP combat.
Frostfire Bolt damage increased by 100% in PvP combat.
Brain Freeze now increases the damage of Flurry by 25% in PvP combat (was 50%).
Flurry damage increased by 75% in PvP combat.
Frostfire: Frostfire Empowerment now increases the damage of Frostfire Bolt by 10% (was 36%) in PvP combat. sheeesh

frostfire is gonna slap lowkey

[vocal surge]

xD

[spring bough]

Time to start the season as outlaw fk the DH lmao

Shits gonna be deleting MFs

[outer sky]

Not a fan of this ngl

[marble oasis]

outlaw been starving. gets a crumb of food and celebrates xD

[snow harness]

they didnt touch bm , was hoping for a lil buff but it feels decent in pvp already

[severe helm]

No one intelligent is celebrating

[marble oasis]

so many things i could say

[snow harness]

is subbed nerf? or buff

[marble oasis]

😛

[snow harness]

or netural

for pvp

[maiden gull]

Sub seems to even Out, with our t Set WE should do more damage

[marble oasis]

i'd say somewhat flat. the giga secret tech cheese got hit but the followup dance damage got a buff

so it's kind of fine i'd say considering what they COULD have done

[outer sky]

10% nerf to secret tech

slight buff to strike

[maiden gull]

Yes it is fine

[outer sky]

slight nerf to evisc

auto attack buff

yeah

not a big deal

at all

[marble oasis]

evis feels like a meme anyway

[outer sky]

I thought we'd get done in way worse

[marble oasis]

my poor evis dam

[maiden gull]

We will get 10% more damage with Just 2pc anyways

[outer sky]

Yeah

[maiden gull]

On sec tec and evis

[vocal surge]

Outlaws Celebrating rn

[outer sky]

Minor sub nerf

we did alright

[maiden gull]

Its fine

[snow harness]

we running weaponmaster now

[maiden gull]

But im worried abour ret tbh

[lime oar]

explain the assa nerfs lmfao that shit is wild

[outer sky]

You need more than 12%

[outer sky]

Yeah idk nobody was even playing it lol

[vocal surge]

A buff is a buff

Whatever we get, we'll take

[maiden gull]

Dont play it at all, is ret buffed or nerfed overall?

[stoic spruce]

did you see the 3rd place?

[outer sky]

Water is water you wanna drink out of the toiler?

[fading blade]

more like 5% since tier is usually 50% in pvp

[jaunty osprey]

😂😂😂😂😂

[severe helm]

You think we're on the podium?

[jaunty osprey]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[outer sky]

Ok Ivan we get it

[stoic spruce]

theres only 3 specs so yeah

[spring bough]

Bro crashing out lol

Time to find a new class

[severe helm]

All 3 spots go to sub

[stoic spruce]

truke

[severe helm]

We didn't even qualify

[jaunty osprey]

Good thing my first glad and original main was a ret

[severe helm]

We're not even in the competition

[maiden gull]

Outlaw is just Bad, Missing to much sfuff Out of damage

We need crit in bte

[spring bough]

Ret dmg got nuked 15% lol

[vocal surge]

Their PvE changes net em more a buff

than a nerf

[vocal surge]

I'd rather drink out of a frontyard hose

[spring bough]

RIP

Did demo kinda catch it even too? Can’t tell

[dark kernel]

Holy s*** what is going to happen to outlaw

12% ability buff Jesus

[stoic spruce]

just roll jackpot 100% of the time

really nbd

[spring bough]

Is that gonna be on the notes next week

[rough rock]

YO LETS GOOOOOO

[dark kernel]

Outlaw might be insane. I think the sub changes are honestly fair and not bad at all

[rough rock]

WE UPPPPP

[stoic spruce]

no just roll better

[dark kernel]

Like overall really half decent patch for everything I accept I don't know about sin

[spring bough]

Can you rig my dice

[rough rock]

okay what the fuck are those ret buffs

[potent pivot]

Assa nerfs are insanely out of touch

[potent pivot]

They got nerfed

[rough rock]

i see literally one nerf

[rough rock]

oh i havent got to the pvp section yet lol

[spring bough]

They got hella PVE buffs tho

[rough rock]

yeah these pve buffs offset that SO MUCH

[stoic spruce]

I cant fathom outlaw not getting pve buffs

[rough rock]

literally net buffs

[stoic spruce]

thats so weird

[severe helm]

they buffed the best rogue spec(sub)

[stoic spruce]

granted devs dont like Restless Blades

[severe helm]

very weird

[dark moon]

they nerfed assa man

[marble oasis]

well remember pvp modifiers are done afterwards

[rough rock]

was not expected 12% flat buff thats kinda crazy

[severe helm]

yeah if this doesnt tell you about how inept the devs are then idk what would

[marble oasis]

on the whole number not the buffs

[proper void]

Was Assassin banging or something?

[severe helm]

no it was awful

[marble oasis]

i haven't seen a single assa rogue since launch

[severe helm]

you prob do less damage than a hunters pet now

[dark moon]

no it was hot garbage ;D

[severe helm]

assa was one of the weakest specs in pvp

[dark kernel]

My theory crafting hat says Sub rogue got off really well and we actually got a net buff.

I think the only major change was the 10% hit on secret technique, but truthfully this just favors an even haste heavier build because we got unseen blade damage buff

[dark kernel]

I think mastery might be even less important now especially with the shadow strike netbuf

[rough rock]

i think frost got hit the hardest what the fuck llmaoooooooo

they KILLED it

its gone forever thats rough

[proper void]

I am old and washed up so the APM of Assassin is all I can play.

Big sad

[rough rock]

going to do half its damage lmao

[stoic spruce]

its absolutely gonna get buffed mid season

[rough rock]

it should

tired of it being dogshit while 2 button fire gets all the love

[stoic spruce]

mage doesnt deserve buffs

any of them

[rough rock]

Mage alt so im biased

[stoic spruce]

the closer we get to the death of RMP the better

[rough rock]

but arcane needed something for sure

[jaunty osprey]

Well our apex talent was banging, nerf was needed

but aura nerf wasnt needed

[rough rock]

10% nerf to sub is nothing anyways

considering the insane damage it already does

[severe helm]

and its utility

its the only spec that can still do rogue stuff

well assa kinda can

[marble oasis]

sub control is kinda nutty.

was before midnight but after everyone lost their stuff

[severe helm]

yeah it does the most damage and has the most control now

and the best defensives ironically haha

[outer sky]

And best mobility

[severe helm]

eh idk about that one

[marble oasis]

it's been fun having the old jump in nuke and poof gone

[outer sky]

And 2m smoke bomb

[outer sky]

?? 20% shorter step CD and 20% longer range on it???

your nerfed hook aint shit mewo!

[rough rock]

bro the hook nerf is not bad lmao

[severe helm]

its pretty bad

[rough rock]

its literally just you two that say that

[severe helm]

its a lot easier to stop

[rough rock]

only you two

[marble oasis]

dance movespeed 'if you pick it' imo is underated

[severe helm]

thats very untrue

even in pve people are mad about it

its like more than twice as slow

cuz they reduced the hook speed

AND retraction speed

[rough rock]

okay thats dooming

it is not that slow lmao

[severe helm]

these are just factual numbers

the old one is crazy fast haha

you might have forgotten

[outer sky]

The good 'ol days

[spring bough]

Peeped the unholy discord chat and they all talking about frost LMAO

[outer sky]

Can someone lmk what's going on in the Paladin discord, if anything? I'm banned from it

[rough rock]

If i didnt have to wait 2 minutes to be worth anything

id play frost

[snow harness]

i think i pref this over vanish shield

dont u get healing to?

[outer sky]

1m I think?

[outer sky]

2 separate talents

they go well together though

the vanish shield talent has an extra effect that if you have dots on you when you vanish theyll hit into the shield giving you 6s to stay in stealth as opposed to vanish's regular 1.5s

[marble oasis]

ye healing is the talent above it i just find the shield forces aggro vanish .

like it's fine for disengaging also but so is moving like a bullet xD

and on dance and vanish not just vanish

[rough rock]

every cooldown longer than shadow dance cooldown feels impossible since playing sub

[snow harness]

woulda been nice to see a goremaw buff

[outer sky]

I think I like vanish shield with the vanish heal. Good stealth protection and they synergize well together. Sub doesnt need vanish for CC or offense so its mostly a defensive and those 2 talents make it a damn good one

[rough rock]

that shield has saved me a few times now

[marble oasis]

Yeh, i guess i've not really given it a chance to shine.

only times i've been caught scuffing a vanish without the shield was my own fault

[rough rock]

pve channel thriving

pvp channel dead as hell not a single person has said anything

[outer sky]

DAMN

I want them writhing in pain and agony

[rough rock]

literally dead lmao

[outer sky]

Just like their brains

[marble oasis]

pressing alt+tab is too much work for rets brain

[stoic spruce]

everyone seen it coming so lol

[marble oasis]

i'd love to see RWF guild redoing their whole comps based on this

[stoic spruce]

ope Flark woke up nvm its unholy doom time

[rough rock]

okay the dk discord is people fuming though

did this guy read the same patch notes 🤣

[outer sky]

I like when DK is good

[potent pivot]

Most other pvp channels are dead

[vocal surge]

Unholy DK being 20% overtuned over every spec complains?

smh

[rough rock]

[marble oasis]

What do you expect they spent so much time around their army of zombies they've turned into one also

[spring bough]

W that nerf they still ahead in ST most likely 😭

[stoic spruce]

its also one guy known for dooming

so its not an accurate portrayal of everyone else

[spring bough]

Bout to level up my demo lock

Survival too lmao

[dark kernel]

you crazy sons of bitches

[rough rock]

i mean considering uhdk did x2 everybodys damage because of pad i dont think they will be bad

[stoic spruce]

you know what pad is right?

[lime oar]

@proven field have u seen yet

[stoic spruce]

outlaw topped meters in S3 but had 0 kill conditions

[proven field]

What no ??

[snow harness]

vanguards ret discord lmao

[proven field]

What no

No

NOOOOOOOOO

I knew it - I was shredding people with it

[gusty hedge]

hook nerf is bad im late on chat. it goes on cd more and easier to counter

[snow harness]

there will come a day during this expansion where goremaw bite does big dam, and that will be the day i become a sub main

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/im-right-and-youre-wrong-rex-woody-harrelson-the-glass-castle-im-right-gif-18325004

[rough rock]

how do you feel about 12% buff?

[gusty hedge]

we could use more than 12% but ill take what we can get rn

[jaunty osprey]

GUYS

ASSA GOT BUFFED

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-march-17/2271691

DONT LOOK AT WOWHEAD

[proven field]

Fuck it’s legit nerfs to assa what the hell is this

Don’t tease me I’m too vulnerable

[jaunty osprey]

??

we got buffed

4%

[rough rock]

wtf why is it different

[jaunty osprey]

wowhead typo

look at official blizzard post

[proven field]

I don’t think that 4% will do anything

[lime oar]

35% kingsbane hit is still overkill

[proven field]

Especially with 35% nerf to stabby time

Stabby time was so fun

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-5359107

[snow harness]

wait wtf

[potent pivot]

[snow harness]

is there any other typos?

[potent pivot]

How do they typo a copy paste

[snow harness]

maybe it was done by design

[jaunty osprey]

actually crazy

lol

[snow harness]

a rogue psy op

[jaunty osprey]

well

good thing i caught it

[marble oasis]

I blame Whispyr even though it's not his area

it's his fault

[potent pivot]

Wdym, your part of their cabal

[snow harness]

Warrior

The duration of Intimidating Shout has been reduced to 5 seconds (was 6 seconds).
Developer's Note: The duration of Intimidating Shout when talented into Resonant Voice surpassed our targets for PvP crowd control duration.
Bladestorm damage no longer decreased by 23% in PvP combat.
Slayer: Unhinged now casts Mortal Strike / Bloodthirst at 40% effectiveness (was 60%) in PvP combat.

this seems like a net warrior nerf lol

[marble oasis]

people still play warrior?

[strange trellis]

so question, the other buffs we get for example Backstab being increased by 20% but then in PvP its being reduced by 10% so thats still a 10% buff specifically to Backstab correct? Making sure Im not missing something obvious lol

[snow harness]

correct

[marble oasis]

I always through it worked like

100 base damage
buffed by 20%
120 base damage
pvp ability nerf 10%
108 base dam in pvp

[vocal surge]

Fake news >->

By Wowhead

[marble oasis]

as the pvp modifiers are after any base tuning

it's a tiny bit confusing i'll admit when some times they say if something is or isn't applicable in pvp but then do counter buffs.

like are they trying to buff it or keep it neutral

[snow harness]

looks like backstab 10% buff, ss 5% buff, evis 2% nerf, and auto attack 5% buff

secret tech 10% nerf

for pvp

[craggy silo]

general buff 20%, 10% nerf pvp. 10% buffed.

[marble oasis]

Autos aren’t nerfed as they aren’t an ability

[potent pivot]

Yet somehow dumbasses will say sub got buffed

[outer sky]

Don't forget Lash Macabre also got a PvP nerf

At least I dont see why it wouldnt have

[outer sky]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/its-clear-blizz-doesnt-pvp-at-all/2271719/9

I'm trying to dispell this myth on the forums as we speak

[vocal surge]

Illiterate folks saying there's no nerf to sec tech

[snow harness]

they made a grave mistake not buffing goremaw

hopefully next tuning

its a 45 sec cd, and a cool ability, it should be worth pressing imo

[outer sky]

I think they need to change the "benefit" effect of it. 3 free energy finishers just aint enticing since we're already not energy starved during dance when damage matters

[snow harness]

buff its dmg by 100% and make it make the next finisher do 20% dmg, thatd be dope

[marble oasis]

Only way they’re making evis worth pressing.

Goremaw i can see being removed for complexity with blizzs design atm

[snow harness]

curious to see how arena is next reset

[jaunty osprey]

I CANT BELIEVE THEY BUFFED ASSA

LFGGGG

4% is a start

[snow harness]

assa is already not bad ngl, i think in 2s with a healer it will be strong

with the rdruid buff, im gonna play assa/rdruid and dampen people

take them into deep waters.

[spring bough]

what a wild ride

net 8% gain tonight

[outer sky]

Get a grip Ivan. Drink some water, talk to a loved one. If it gets really bad don't be afraid to call 988.

[gusty hedge]

looking forward to next expansion

[marble oasis]

Last titan rogue changes
Outlaw:
reverting to combat

[gusty hedge]

hopefully outlaw has better capstones

[stoic spruce]

thats next expac

[strange trellis]

Nerf to Burst and slight buff to what little sustain we have?

[stoic spruce]

remember, no big changes in specs anymore

[ionic crown]

just saw patch notes. so sub dead?

[outer sky]

Get a load of this guy

[strange trellis]

Yes we're all moving to Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

idc how much outlaw gets buffed, yall stay off my spec

if someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to play outlaw you better tell them to pull the trigger

better yet

[outer sky]

What kind of gun

[stoic spruce]

if you wake up and even THINK about playing outlaw, you best apologize

[marble oasis]

Until roll the bones it deleted outlaw is safe from me playing it

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah

faux RNG people

[marble oasis]

Don’t care how they tune it

[strange trellis]

at least its not a finisher anymore

[snow harness]

ret net buff according to ai

[lime oar]

don’t mention guns around zicore

[rough rock]

lol pika boutta go over patchnotes

[keen fractal]

wtf whyd assas catch a stray?

[stoic spruce]

doesnt he have Anniversary TBC to play?

I guess 1800 farms wont farm themselves

[marble oasis]

Somehow he plays everything

[rough rock]

i think hes burnt out on classic

[potent pivot]

It got buffed

Wowheads page was wrong

[marble oasis]

What no but classic is super fun and hard to play

[snow harness]

is final apex node of assa not worth taking now? or still worth

[rough rock]

if youre 60

[spring bough]

if they copy and pasted the note some1 had to manually change it that is hilarious

[gusty hedge]

roll the bones is good atleast it used to be when it had no cd this 1 buff roll is herendous and its still on Gcd

[spring bough]

aent no way some1 retyping those notes to post lol

[marble oasis]

Eating your meals through a tube :p

[potent pivot]

You have to use it

[spring bough]

or did blizz go back and edit their post lol

[marble oasis]

Yeah i just can’t stand rng like that.
Like getting a shitty buff actually gimping you

[keen fractal]

ahk lol was like whyd they get nerfed

[rough rock]

why did they nerf restro druid thats kinda mean lol

[stoic spruce]

you know it has the least amount of variance its ever had right?

[snow harness]

resto got buff in pvp

[rough rock]

oh nice

[stoic spruce]

your first and 2nd buffs are your strongest

[snow harness]

assa/rdruid gonna dominate in 2s

[marble oasis]

Wanna know what’s got less?
A normal buff xD

[stoic spruce]

@gusty hedge use your big boy words

[strange trellis]

do we have classes not taking their Apex talents atm?

[rough rock]

they had a solid 10 years of being the kings of 2s

[stoic spruce]

not yet

[stoic spruce]

I dont understand, is RTB not normal buffs?

[ionic crown]

just tell me sub dead or not

[stoic spruce]

its not

its still the best

[ionic crown]

GREAT

[marble oasis]

Lol no.
You press it you have no clue what you’re getting.
One makes you win the rest make you lose

I personally just don’t like the concept of it.

[potent pivot]

Very dead quit game now

[ionic crown]

WHAT

[marble oasis]

Time to reroll warrior
Oh wait

[stoic spruce]

idk I think youre just biased because of how it was before because thats really not the case

which is fine

[ionic crown]

its time to play my dragon rogue

[snow harness]

Elemental
Tempest damage increased by 20% in PvP combat.
Earth Shock damage increased by 15% in PvP combat.
Damage from dispelling Flame Shock increased by 600%. This effect can no longer critically strike.

[stoic spruce]

but most of its power is guaranteed

[snow harness]

its an ele world and were living in it

[gusty hedge]

Rtb now is worse off imo. prefer pre midnight version all thanks to 1 roll supremacy

[stoic spruce]

you know One of a Kind is True Bearing and Buried treasure in one right?

[marble oasis]

It’s probably because i’m mainly a pve andy.
So consistency is king.

So it’s scared in my mind now that rtb bad

[stoic spruce]

not true bearing

the opp chance and energy buff

idr the names already

[gusty hedge]

rip broadside rip ruthlessness, rip more double rolls .
i hate that 1 roll buff with a passion 🫠

[stoic spruce]

it should be your favorite because its the only thing making the spec work atm lol

[gusty hedge]

revert plz blizz .

[stoic spruce]

revert plz

I like the old one as well

[marble oasis]

Woo combat here we come!

Finally got them to say it!

🤣

[gusty hedge]

i miss old killing spree too rip staggering damage, rip enemies flying away still getting hit and killed by killing spree 200 yards out

[rough rock]

id rather have guaranteed sinister strike on the 1 roll then play guessing game of 6 random ass buffs lmao

old killing spree was way better

or at least let current one only target who it was casted on

[gusty hedge]

we got sinister strike from various other sources before the rtb/class rework

[marble oasis]

Wotlk killing spree now that’s where it’s at

[stoic spruce]

you absolutely wouldnt play it if it became combat

[dark kernel]

Guys I fucked up

[gusty hedge]

broadside was a clutch buff, especially rolled with true bearing. combo point filler + crit or ability dmage and cdr

[dark kernel]

I took a little trip to Moonguard

[craggy silo]

It is time for the rise of cumguzzler

[marble oasis]

Nope i’m way past coming back :p

just a meme over the controversy of changing it in the first place.

But but!

Good times

https://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=115589&stream=69

[dark kernel]

I HAD THAT ONE IT GOT BANNED TOO

SAME THING

[stoic spruce]

fun fact

most outlaw feedback is by people who dont play outlaw

[marble oasis]

I mean i played combat until they changed it sooo

[gusty hedge]

Think its time for another rogue

[rough rock]

is there a genuine reason for having multiple or just for fun

not hating

[gusty hedge]

This is the tip of the iceberg

[stoic spruce]

you can hate, have a spine

[gusty hedge]

i have multi outlaw rogues and 1 sub rogue now

[rough rock]

I am #1 NA shit talker on my 4th discord acct i aint afraid!

lmao i just always wondered why people do

like i have one of every class

couldnt imagine doing two of another class

[gusty hedge]

i have 2 of almost everyclass horde/alliance, but rogue takes teh cake with 20+

people see all these outlaw rogues but dont know its just one person

[rough rock]

lmaoooo

ive wanted to do some alliance characters

but ill stick with horde lmao

[gusty hedge]

ever had someone on horde trash talk you? or just said some outta pocket shit?, Good to have an alliance char to shut them down when needed

myslot addon is a gem too, copy/paste whole ui basically +keybinds no set up required

[lime oar]

i love myslot

[gusty hedge]

btw side note my illusion enchant went back on my dreadblades !!!

[rough rock]

What weapon is that?

[gusty hedge]

artifact dreadblades with the s3 illusion enchant

[rough rock]

wtf they look different

Or maybe I’m looking at wrong image

[gusty hedge]

i hope they dont fix this on tuesday with long ass mt 😭

[potent pivot]

Wait that’s the TWW s3 illusion?

[gusty hedge]

yeah it goes good with dreadblades or any big weap tbh

[potent pivot]

Damn ima dumbie

I shoulda snagged that one

[rough rock]

OH lmao

Too bad I wear the mantle of blades so wouldn’t see them anyways

[potent pivot]

I was so done with wow towards the end of s2 lmao

[gusty hedge]

i quit 2nd week and just wpvp everyday s3 😂

[hybrid sapphire]

What’s the good news fellow rogues

[potent pivot]

There isn’t much good news

[gusty hedge]

whats that? a back piece?

[potent pivot]

Small assa buff, decent outlaw buff that prolly isn’t good enough

[rough rock]

yeah

[ocean thunder]

I am checking the new changes - still on pve, but on pve sub got buffed a bit

[potent pivot]

10% nerf overall in pvp

[gusty hedge]

ohh yeah those are cool! i use them on a few of my other rogues

[severe helm]

does the pve buffs outweigh that though

evisc buffed 8% shadowstrike 15% backstab 20% autos 15%

so like

maybe a net 5% nerf?

[potent pivot]

No

The nerf to burst will be quite noticeable

[ocean thunder]

Waaaait they nerfed Assa rogue? wut?

[potent pivot]

No

Check the official blue post, not wowhead

[proven field]

THEY NERFED THE FUN

[ocean thunder]

I see the blue tracker 'clas tuning incoming -- 18 March'
There's a 35% nerf on implacable plus a nerf to 4% on all ability dmg on assa there

[potent pivot]

No

Check the blizzard website

Not wowhead

[ocean thunder]

link?

I see us forumsgeneral discussion -> Class Tuning Incoming – March 17
same thing

[iron flicker]

I can't find it on official either dw xD

[ocean thunder]

So i see Shadowstrike +15%, evisc +8%, AA +15% plus trickester stuff and a -10% all ability dmg, which means mainly 10% secret tech nerf.

And then assa nerfs in all abilities plus extra for implacable which was the only potential actual burst 😄

[potent pivot]

Assa parts wrong

[ocean thunder]

FYI, wow forums but EU and US show the same nerf on assa - not wowhead, wow official forums, both us and eu

[gusty hedge]

4% increase not decrease

[potent pivot]

Nope

[ocean thunder]

oh it's increased! my eyes are asleep 😄

[potent pivot]

I’m surprised how little rogue got

It’s all sub sub sub

[lime oar]

i don’t think 10% on tech will be felt that hard

[potent pivot]

It’s not only tech

Slight evis nerf and 10% lash nerf

It’s going to be kinda noticeable

I think Rotten+PV stonks are up even more now though

[lime oar]

assa gang 😤😤😤

[vocal surge]

This Devourer DH

Literally just

flew across the arena in 2s

to try and get me out of stealth

dies in 5s

Imagine trying to knock Outlaw Rogue out of stealth when Stealth no longer required for em to deal damage

[frozen walrus]

So are these notes official???

Or are they fake??

wtf

[lime oar]

why would they be fake

[frozen walrus]

It was sarcasm

Def not what I expected

[grave basin]

so

how do we feel about the changes

net neutral for sub?

also wtf ret is even more stronger now?

[frozen walrus]

I am also wondering these things as well

Ret gets tons of buffs and then a overall dmg nerf. The buffs seem to outweigh the nerf, but I dont play one so I dont know

[grave basin]

also how is assa getting aura nerfed

[potent pivot]

Nerf to sub

[potent pivot]

It’s not

We’re gonna hear that all week now

[grave basin]

explain?

right

so the wowhead one is wrong?

[rough rock]

Yes lmao

Read the offical wow post

[grave basin]

also wtf 20% unholy nerf

20%!!!!

@stoic spruce

[grave basin]

that doesnt cancel out the mega buffs they got

[warped gate]

Oh, I didn't notice that.

I don't even care about the Ret shit, just a Ret has been a dick to me in Skirmish consistently for the past day and I wanted to rub this in his face.

[grave basin]

if anything ret ST probably overall in pvp is buffed

[potent pivot]

Mylordsayshi has died.

Fuckin auto correct lmao

[warped gate]

I also beat him four separate times when he was on the other team, unfortunately he wasn't on my team again after that to rub it in his face, and I wasn't petty enough to /t him.

[vocal surge]

Just lost to him lol

[warped gate]

[vocal surge]

My healer kept cycloning my kill target

whenever I was setting up burst

[warped gate]

Damn, that sucks.

[vocal surge]

Ate up a nasty 20 stack Zero-In Between the Eyes

[warped gate]

Had a Guardian do that to me earlier.

[vocal surge]

which had me depressed

[warped gate]

Of course I lost with a Guardian on MY team.

Oof.

Mega blueballed.

[vocal surge]

Yea

[potent pivot]

Does outlaw look like it might be viable now ya think

[warped gate]

I'm reading the notes and it looks like they bent Guardian's legs backwards.

[potent pivot]

No bias allowed

[grave basin]

problem?

[warped gate]

Oh nooooo, the exact opposite.

[vocal surge]

Depends on healer

if your healer is Restro druid trolling with Cyclones

no

In short games, we don't hit our ramp long enough

but in long games

we become deadly

even vs sub

[warped gate]

I was finally hitting my flow state in Skirmishes, so I feel like I'm ready for the season to start. No idea how far I would've gone then, but 12% buff definitely is gonna be nice now.

[potent pivot]

[still sigil]

There's a difference between viable and good and I think outlaw is in that middle ground

[potent pivot]

Lemme see what you’ve got for builds

I gotta edit the one in the pins still

[still sigil]

Skilled outlaw player will probably kill me but they'd find it easier to kill me with other specs

[vocal surge]

Theres 2 good builds. This one

and Fatebound which drops Killing Spree

[potent pivot]

For?

[vocal surge]

Summarily Dispatched

[potent pivot]

I’ll try em out

[vocal surge]

If you like maintaining Lvl 3+ Roll the Bones, I'd go for KIR

either one works

[potent pivot]

I’ve barely spec’d outlaw since coming back

I tried a few things last night

I like prep but I miss crackshot

The spec felt a bit slower to me as well

[vocal surge]

Aye

[safe turret]

Is killing spree decent with trickster? feels god awful with fatebound, like a waste of a button press

[gusty hedge]

shrodingersOutlaw, pikaboo is

[gusty hedge]

#pvp message

[rough rock]

You drop it in fatebound

[gusty hedge]

you can for fatter dispatches but not mandatory, still weak ashell

1/2 ace until they buff it imo

[spring bough]

Can swap verse to flickering steel that’s what I’ve been doing more of

[vocal surge]

I use it to force forward 2 unseen blades i nthe rotation

usually you can go for 3 combo point ticks

then slam something else

[gusty hedge]

should swap out poison master for that extra crippling % or foot

[stoic spruce]

biggest nerf ever btw

before the highest was 15%

[spring bough]

I move a couple points around in the rogue tree but I tend to keep poison for some reason lol

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough u qued into pikaboo hahah

Rip!! GG

[spring bough]

RIP

couldnt get the DK almost lol

[gusty hedge]

lol now u on same team

"hows outlaw?" "Decent" "Doesnt look like it "💀

[spring bough]

lmao

[spring bough]

outlaw doing dam tho idk

12% gonna look nice ig lol

[spring bough]

bro this guy playing 0 apex lmao

[gusty hedge]

hahaha like tf!

thats wild ngl

[severe helm]

but outlaw doenst ramp lol

or you mean in 2s when damp starts to go up

[severe helm]

it lost like 25% apm

[next ocean]

So do we like or dont like the tuning ?

[potent pivot]

every fuckin rogue in the world is trying to snipe pika's q's rn lool

[vocal surge]

Between the Eyes stack ramp

[gusty hedge]

bruh just took a pic before he dropped dude

[potent pivot]

dont

[next ocean]

But thought we getting more nerfed

[severe helm]

not over time no

bte stacks have no explicit peak

they could peak 20 seconds into the game

or 10 mins

its completely random

[potent pivot]

huh

it could've been worse ig

we're getting more tuning next week

[proven field]

some blood DK can see me in stealth; there something im missingh

WPVP - like 400 miles away, dude flies over to me on a roof in stealth, pops me, over and over

[severe helm]

what did he pop you with

its not impossible that hes cheating

or that theres some weird bugged item or quest that highlights you or some shit

[proven field]

i have no idea how he's doing it

he's doing it literally right now; just flies over from across magister's terrace

[grim sequoia]

enhance getting buffed, jesus

[frozen walrus]

Are you using your Supercharged finisher on a BTE?

[spring bough]

try to yeah hopefully

[proven field]

some WPVP grief guild named "WE ARENT GETTING BANNED" so.. maybe just draw that line how it lays

[vocal surge]

Thats where Prep comes in

to take advantage of it

[severe helm]

one extra stack

HUGE

doesnt change that we arent a ramp spec

[severe helm]

LOL that might be a clue

[proven field]

its interesting, none of these guys show up in armory or drustvar/check-pvp either - the guild does, but none of them show up in it either

names like Ilîiìîìîilil

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough https://www.twitch.tv/pikabooirl/clip/DirtyLaconicPieVoHiYo-FxCKO8qdzGCDyIa4

[spring bough]

mogs sick as hell not gonna lie

[hearty shell]

do we care about haste at all for pvp?

for sub

[potent pivot]

yes?

haste is the #1 priority

[hearty shell]

same prio as ST?

[potent pivot]

huh

[hearty shell]

ST wants like 18% then none

ur saying full haste??

[potent pivot]

what do u mean "ST"?

[hearty shell]

single target

[potent pivot]

why does that matter tho

[hearty shell]

thats why im asking brother

[potent pivot]

u want 18% haste regardless of target count though

[warm flicker]

What are those weapons/illusions?

[potent pivot]

wait thats u lmao

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

whats with the kyveza thing?

[gusty hedge]

Toy for defeating ky veza solo

? Delve

last season

[potent pivot]

wtf man

i miss all the cool shit

[potent pivot]

[warm flicker]

Guessing it’s a PvP illusion which changes the colour?

[potent pivot]

no

those weapons can't be illusioned

[spring bough]

theres that one void illusion u could get and use that with other weps tho lol

[potent pivot]

this base wep looks like it has an insane effect but i've never seen anyone use it

[pliant spoke]

so what with sub getting pve buffs across the board but then all dmg nerfed by 10%, it's basically still a buff?

[severe helm]

since when does kyveza kill give you a giant aura like that?

[pliant spoke]

or am i too high and misinterpreting

[severe helm]

its a slight nerf still I think

[potent pivot]

in pve it got ST buffs and AoE nerfs. in pvp we netted nerfs across the board.

[severe helm]

like 5ish%

maybe more

[potent pivot]

-10% sec tech damage
-10% macabre damage
-10% clone damage

-2% evis damage and +shadowstrike damage

its definitely a net nerf

[severe helm]

and +15% autos lol

is sub playing trickster rn in pvp or deathstalker?

[pliant spoke]

trick

[potent pivot]

pins foo

[wispy dune]

Deathstalker plays you

[river pollen]

Deathstalker would be really dope if it worked

[pliant spoke]

kinda wish sub hate fatebound

just for the step talent

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

is it that pronounced in game

or is it just tmog window being lame like always

[frozen walrus]

What is your usual opener with this build? Do I need to CS into Slice and Dice?

[stoic spruce]

For this season yeah?

[potent pivot]

never press slice

[potent pivot]

wha?

[stoic spruce]

This seasons enchant

[frozen walrus]

Why?

[potent pivot]

wdym why, you never need to cast it

[gusty hedge]

kind of , u can throw s2 illusion on it too and make it pop more

[potent pivot]

its passive

[stoic spruce]

Lame

[vocal surge]

Cheap Shot --> Dispatch

[potent pivot]

wdym?

[vocal surge]

into BTE

[stoic spruce]

What swords are those

[potent pivot]

that sword can't be enchanted popo

[stoic spruce]

You're fuckin with me ain't you

[potent pivot]

the one i linked

[stoic spruce]

No goober

[frozen walrus]

I am sorry. Still new to Outlaw. Dont you have to press it once to get it rolling?

[stoic spruce]

The frozen shadow enchant

[potent pivot]

no

[stoic spruce]

No, dispatch does it

[frozen walrus]

Is that from a talent??

[potent pivot]

no

[stoic spruce]

A baseline passive

[potent pivot]

its a passive

[stoic spruce]

Brother open your spellbook and see what goodies you got lol

[frozen walrus]

Oh shit!! Cut to the Chase!!

I am just now seein gthis!!

[stoic spruce]

There you go

[frozen walrus]

Game changer!

[potent pivot]

what about it

[frozen walrus]

So always start the fight with CS and Dispatch?

[stoic spruce]

Is that this seasons enchant

[potent pivot]

?????????????

i didn't link an enchant

[stoic spruce]

Screenshot

Wait

[potent pivot]

l0l

[stoic spruce]

That's the name of the sword

Lol

[potent pivot]

don't make me mute u ok

[stoic spruce]

You can't mute the truth but okay

[stoic spruce]

Holy shit

Dick an balls

Gotta have that

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#fv8zz0zJ89c8Vl84f8VE84a8VB84p8VC8dnL8o58428o484W8aE8Mma8zY18dpZ8MtE877jvXY87cvXQ87VvYh808vXU808vXZ808vYa808vYk808zi5x8cQx8Mtj87k

its not crazy good but its ight

[stoic spruce]

I think it's pretty unique

Definitely more unique than what we usually get

[potent pivot]

If we don’t get a proper void illusion this expansion I will be pissed

[true warren]

Sub getting buffed to giga S Tier is worrying

[potent pivot]

We have the perfect theme to give us a sick universe/void thing

[potent pivot]

…?

Sub got nerfed

[vocal surge]

[true warren]

Only Eviscerate no?

[vocal surge]

dude hasn't reached the PvP section

[potent pivot]

No?

[gusty hedge]

wth is that 👀

[potent pivot]

We deserve this. I deserve this. Give me this.

[true warren]

lol saw this in the pvp sub

is there more? OP said this buffs and overall -10%

[potent pivot]

A real game with an actual art team

[gusty hedge]

Looks Good Ngl!

[potent pivot]

Ya overall -10% = nerf

[potent pivot]

PoE

[gusty hedge]

path of exile?!? tf

[vocal surge]

POE2 go brrr

[potent pivot]

That’s
-10% sec tech
-10% macabre
-10% clone damage
We lost much more than gained

[true warren]

lol reddit being reddit

top comments also not saying anything of the nerfs

[potent pivot]

People are stupid

[true warren]

and i can't even check myself bc wowhead won't open for me

[potent pivot]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-march-17/2271691

Sub gained like 6% ST in pve

So we lost a minimum of 5% ST in pvp

And lost more than that of our burst

[true warren]

im carefully saying that this seems healthy

but let's see

[potent pivot]

With how many nerfs most classes got we didn’t make out that badly

I don’t think we needed any nerfs besides maybe -5% sec tech personally but I’m biased

[stoic spruce]

Huge

That goes so hard

[potent pivot]

I want illusions like the effects on those 2

If poe’s engine can handle it wow’s should be able to too damnit

[stoic spruce]

Galaxy esque stuff

[potent pivot]

Ye

[stoic spruce]

I'm reading you

[potent pivot]

A galaxian tyranny

[stoic spruce]

I get it

[potent pivot]

They should just hire me I’d 20x the pvp community

[stoic spruce]

If I could vote I'd vote for you

[novel karma]

Aaaw man outlaw buffs

Outlaw season!

[stoic spruce]

It worries me how into expac theme the mogs will go

[potent pivot]

[novel karma]

You gotta believe

[stoic spruce]

This implies everyone else went down to our level

[novel karma]

Also when is dfa becoming a talent worth taking 😭

[potent pivot]

This seasons aren’t thematic at all it’s lame af

The wpvp sets are more thematic than the tier sets

[stoic spruce]

I'll give the benefit of a doubt, DFs first set sucked hard but the others were good

Yeah for sure

And the prey set

[novel karma]

The rogue tmog feels like it's very thematic for the prey system

[stoic spruce]

The prey sets are so good

[novel karma]

Oh i haven't seen those yet

[potent pivot]

Show

[olive sequoia]

im sorry, I was reading back, but where are you seeing a minus 10 to tech, macabre and clone damage ? or am i missing something ?

[potent pivot]

Isn’t that the same as wpvp?

[novel karma]

Yeah these are good, definitely feels like it would fit blood/high elves the best

[stoic spruce]

I don't think so

[potent pivot]

sec

[stoic spruce]

I took those screenshots earlier today

I think they're similar

[potent pivot]

they're the same

[potent pivot]

how do i get these tho

[stoic spruce]

Participate in hunts I think, not too sure

They reward gear

[potent pivot]

i have no idea what the deal is with prey

ic

[stoic spruce]

It's neat, it opens up new world quests and you gotta track your dude down

[olive sequoia]

damn okay, i did miss something

[potent pivot]

reduaced

lol warrior howl CD went from 30 to 90sec

i bet they are pissed

[next ocean]

Whats howl

[potent pivot]

warrior's snare

[next ocean]

Ah ok

[quick crypt]

12% outlaw dmg good buff?

[stoic spruce]

Prepare to be the most eh the spec has ever been

[native fossil]

Do you guys actually enjoy outlaw in pvp
I main it in pve but I just feel so much like I'd rather be playing anything else in pvp

[potent pivot]

all buffs are good but the spec isn't going to be great still

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I love it in all content regardless of how good it is

Just gotta roll with the punches

Also helps to have a healer that keeps you alive long enough

So I'm lucky

[quick crypt]

Eh in a good way or eh in a bad way? 😄

[stoic spruce]

Bad

😒

That face

[true warren]

how can shamans fake die or insta resurrect in BG's?

[severe helm]

Ankh?

That's just a shaman thing

[maiden gull]

Outlaw needs crit back on BTE

Or we try to play with 6CP and use CB

i will try that

[wanton breach]

Wait what are you speccing if not cb

[potent pivot]

deeper, supercharger, tea

[maiden gull]

yeah maybe switch deeper for cb

more sustained crits

more dmg on pistol shot aswell

worth a shot

i can hit 130k bte

rn

[wanton breach]

Supercharger on outlaw is kinda meh

[potent pivot]

naw

[vocal surge]

its goated

[minor coral]

are there any pvp lfg discords?

[native fossil]

Hey, for PvP is there any chance lethality + cold blooded killer would be better than deeper strategem and alacrity?

[glass hazel]

lol assa got nerfed in pvp

what a joke

[potent pivot]

nope

[potent pivot]

its wrong

[outer sky]

Wym?

Its not actually getting nerfed?

[potent pivot]

no

[outer sky]

How do you know that?

Did blizzard post something?

[potent pivot]

because i'm not dumb

[outer sky]

Or have we just entered the denial phase

[true warren]

@potent pivot lmao

[potent pivot]

cope

[true warren]

speaking of reddit being reddit before

the question was: biggest winner and loser of the tuning

[wise breach]

They fixed the official notes to have it as a 4% buff but Wowhead didn't update

[glass hazel]

yeah true

[outer sky]

Ah a 4% buff. The implacable nerf if still a thing though. Which i believe is a nerf to its burst

[potent pivot]

someone with a brain

[outer sky]

Whats got you so salty this morning? Didn't sleep well?

[potent pivot]

i've had to explain this 20 times already

[glass hazel]

haha sorry

[potent pivot]

thought wowhead would fix theirs

guess not

[glass hazel]

still surprised though no tuning for assa

[potent pivot]

Wdym, like pve tuning?

Or just more in general

I thought the same about pve

[outer sky]

I wish I could say im surprised ret didnt take more nerfs but im really not.

Ret really needed it

[potent pivot]

The burst could also get a bit insane so I kinda figured this was coming anyway

[glass hazel]

yeah, pve one, but well it will affect pvp as well usually unless they state not

[potent pivot]

The highest KB/burst global someone showed me was over 300k in total

[outer sky]

That warrior howl change damn

[potent pivot]

Yeah idk. We’re going to get more tuning on the 24th though, and the next 2 weeks after that too

[outer sky]

Which means we're not safe rip

[potent pivot]

Next tunings are on the 24th, 31st, and 7th

[outer sky]

I just hope they dont tune aggressively early on and then abandon the game when everyone has full gear

[potent pivot]

The last planned tuning is supposed to be after tier

Then it’ll likely get more spread out because the race will be done/about done

[outer sky]

Ya but they seem to have this habit of tuning the game early on and then when people get their bis gear things change up but by then blizzard is focusing on the next season and also figures anyone still playing the current season will never unsub anyway so who cares

[gleaming sentinel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven

[potent pivot]

I’d just be glad they aren’t letting the season go live with some of the outliers we have had up to now ngl

They nerfed most classes

[outer sky]

This is true

But they also nerfed shit that didn't need to be nerfed

Warrior howl

3x the CD

[potent pivot]

I think the main buffs were just warrior and dh

[outer sky]

Yeah warrior got a decent buff which it needed but it wasnt so big that their snare needed to have its CD increased 200%

[potent pivot]

And aff ig

[outer sky]

Are we sure about that? My friend XL is an r1 aff and this is what he had to say

[potent pivot]

Everything else got buffed

[outer sky]

He may be biased idk

[gleaming sentinel]

Aff was just “interrupt that thing” and it’s useless

[outer sky]

Hard to balance a spec like aff because all its damage is dispellable. Can't dispel chaos bolt lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Ye