pvp

[hidden moth]

U ever walk in a room and have 15 bitches on ur dick?

[severe helm]

Didn't lose as much cc as outlaw and yeah that's why I said if they tune it up

[hidden moth]

That’s the dopamine levels of devour

[rough rock]

It sounds like they are saying they are going to make it harder for devs

Like the wording makes it seems like we aren’t supposed to have addons see lots of auras

[severe helm]

Assas cc is worse but not devastatingly bad

[rough rock]

Which is funny because they can’t even make their own system work well so they will spend time making it harder???

[hidden moth]

Doesn’t matter if the cc is worse than what it used to be if it’s just not fun it’s just not fun

We all saw how bad outlaw was in PvP for war within bc they are expected to have 100% uptime to keep cds rolling

[keen fractal]

wwasnt outlaw pretty nutty in final season?

[hidden moth]

No

[spring bough]

No

[hidden moth]

Lmfaooo

[keen fractal]

oh thought thats wat pika/trill did r1 push with

[hidden moth]

Less than 50 people were 2400+ on outlaw s2

[spring bough]

First 5 days? Fuck yes. Then coin got a 67% nerf hotfix

[hidden moth]

lol

[spring bough]

It was patch notes “Tuesday coin nerf 67%” and then they pushed that one change Friday night as a hotfix

I’ll never forgive them for that dumb shit

Fucking blizz hates rogues

[severe helm]

I didnt say anything about fun I said viable

[hidden moth]

I mean

Outlaw in war within was “viable”

[potent pivot]

i don't think making something impossible is making it 'harder'

i'm just curious what the QoL changes to the API at the bottom are

[rough rock]

This is kinda what we all were talking about the other week when talking about mvq using exploits

So they will have more guidelines it sounds like

That’s just my opinion what it sounds like

[severe helm]

so ngl its hard to tell. Seems like they both want less functionality and more functionality available to addon devs. Seems they kinda failed to prevent addon automation so they want to try a new approach to privatizing stuff. I think TLDR is that theyre gona restrict more stuff but then iteratively release more access once theyre at a point theyre happy with in terms of privatization

I think theyre slowly realizing that their whole plan might be kind of impossible cuz devs are always actively trying to outsmart them

[potent pivot]

pretty sure this reads as a nerf

[potent pivot]

me waiting for them to address DRs in any meaningful way

[severe helm]

some of the updates seem like mainly feature fix stuff that was kinda broken like issues checking stuff that is fully off cd or at full charges not reporting valid stuff

[severe helm]

Im not sure thats even on their radar

pve seems to be the main focus of all of this

at least thats how this reads to me

[vocal surge]

Me waiting for the devs to make Horrify and Fear both the same category

[river pollen]

Man the slayer’s rise zone is lit af

So much shit going on

[stoic spruce]

It's a nerf

It's to make gargoyle more equal

[molten hedge]

I asked my healer to explain it to me like I’m dumb. But he’s been afk all prepatch cba to play the game 🤣😫

He makes addons

[severe helm]

the aura control might improve

so addons can probably better decide what to do with each type of aura(buff, debuff, etc) in terms of visual stuff and anchoring etc etc

potentially filter more things and blacklist some trash buffs

[potent pivot]

that'd be dope

[gaunt hollow]

I'm not hearing sounds in Battlegrounds such as flag cap and pick up. Is that not possible to turn on in game anymore? I looked but can't seem to find that option anywhere

[potent pivot]

i found it very weird that they took away the ability to filter your debuffs

we can filter our buffs just fine

[severe helm]

probably to prevent some automation

if youc an filter by spell id

then you can do things like displaying specifically deathmark and then putting an alert when deathmark is there

effectively having WA level cooldown tracking for when to press your defensives

[potent pivot]

they could just the ability to base blizzard settings with no leniency on it right?

[severe helm]

wdym?

[potent pivot]

Like add it to base settings

Not the api

[severe helm]

filtering based on spell id?

[potent pivot]

Filtering based on debuffs YOU apply

[severe helm]

oh I thought you mean debuffs on yourself

yeah for your debuffs on the enemy you prob could do that

[potent pivot]

Oh nah idk if that’s gonna happen

[severe helm]

and it wouldnt open any floodgates imo

[potent pivot]

That’s a harder one

[severe helm]

yeah

I think they are slowly going to do these things

they just HEAVILY underestimated the work this was going to be

cuz it was probably a decision from leadership

without much technical knowledge

[potent pivot]

The fact that

We have a Blizzcon LAN this season

With all this uncertainty around addons..

It’s going to be a shit show

[severe helm]

its goint to be a total mess

you just know

Mes and team liquid

are gona have some insane shit

that no other team has

welcome to the UI competition

[potent pivot]

?

Why would they

[severe helm]

cuz mes does this every season

[potent pivot]

Ah

[severe helm]

his main contribution to the team lately has been UI support

he barely competes in games

[potent pivot]

Mvq is doing the same though

[severe helm]

he mostly just makes the UI insanely good for the team

sure yeah

but thats my point

UI competition haha

I mean obv skill still matters

but this UI fiasco is kind of ridiculous at this point

[potent pivot]

Yep

Have you tried AyijeCDM yet?

[severe helm]

ez ban

[potent pivot]

!ban @steady dew AI scam spam

[severe helm]

and I havent no, is it similar to better cdm?

im still using ellesui on my spriest

and arcui on my rogue

[potent pivot]

It’s like Unhalted+BetterCDM in one

[severe helm]

ooo interesting

[potent pivot]

Has good UX

[severe helm]

ill check it out

[potent pivot]

More features

[severe helm]

Im pretty much using a different setup on each char of mine hahaha

[potent pivot]

Kush changed his UI packs to Ayije and so did Atrocity

So i think it’s the best one out atm

[severe helm]

im struggling to find a middle ground between my pve and pvp ui

[potent pivot]

Ellesmere’s is still goated for simplicity and performance, just waiting on more features

[severe helm]

same

[potent pivot]

Same

But tbh

I think I can have the exact same UI for both

[severe helm]

thast what I had in tww

but right now I need like different things for each

[potent pivot]

And just swap my unit frames/plates to BBF/BBP

[severe helm]

in terms of what addons can deliver

yeah unit frames and paltes are the big one

I dont like plater for pvp

so youre using BBP for pvp mainly?

do you have a good profile to share been wanting to try it out

[potent pivot]

I’ve been using Platynator to give it a shot but I’ve had performance issues with it compared to BBP already

And the bigdebuffs on platy are unnecessary with minicc being a thing I’m using

[severe helm]

ah ye makes sense

ill try out bbp

[potent pivot]

It has like 20 preloaded profiles, I haven’t done my pvp Ui yet

[severe helm]

since I hear it has nice icons for class for your friendly players

thats the big one I wnat in pvp compared to pve

better friendly player tracking

[potent pivot]

I have my TWW profile but haven’t changed it since the api changes

[severe helm]

that doesnt interfere with the bars

I used threatplates in tww for pvp hahaha

[snow harness]

yall craftin 3x jewlery with the 9x heraldys next reset?

[dark kernel]

Pretty much

[severe helm]

jewelry is kinda bad this season isnt it?

[potent pivot]

Why

Just cuz secondary stats are so low on gear rn?

[severe helm]

yeah I thought secondaries arent as important atm

compared to tww where main stat was kinda mid

they weirdly adjust the ratio xpac by xpac

not sure why

[twin burrow]

tricks i see you mention this addon ayike ui cdm.. do you have any clue why on the top above my portrait there is a string of icons? im not sure how to move these to the right spot

[potent pivot]

I think most will do jewelry just cuz that’s what they’ve been doing for 2 expacs now

9 heraldries and they cost 3ea so it just gets your jewelry out of they way, and they come with a socket

Whether that’s the best idea or not idk

We’re going to end up in the same place regardless

[molten hedge]

Or it’s gonna be fun to watch bc of imperfect gameplay

[snow harness]

is main stat king? i have no idea the differenc between main stat / 2ndary ratios

[analog tapir]

@potent pivot u still rockin assa or u sub ?

[potent pivot]

Ya thats part of what his UI has, it’s mainly a pve thing to use on your playerframe but you’re using base player frames not a custom one

[molten hedge]

Gargoyle hasn’t been played in forever it’s a meme

[potent pivot]

Hang on I’ll show you

[snow harness]

im hoping this is my 2nd season of glad, i think with the 2300 change i can get it

[twin burrow]

i see its linked to the frame

[potent pivot]

I’ll play both, I always try to make every spec work but it just depends. If I go for glad I may not even main rogue so it’s all kinda up in the air for me

[twin burrow]

hmm idk if i like that. can i change it?

[analog tapir]

okok 😄 yeah i do rogue and pala

[stoic spruce]

because Raise Abom is so much better in a way that dmg tuning couldnt fix

[potent pivot]

i'd imagine there's a setting to turn it off, but i haven't used AyijeCDM yet myself

you aren't using the playerframe from the addon

[twin burrow]

idk how to even bring up addon interfaces anymore

[potent pivot]

this is what pve player/target frames look like

thats what a lot of pve'rs use

[twin burrow]

i see

will it tarnish my pvp

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't recommend it simply because it can be weird to look at enemy buffs/debuffs, you don't see a BigDebuffs thing over enemy portraits, etc

[jaunty osprey]

Bigdam was saying the wep embellishment might be really good or smth idk

[twin burrow]

ty tricks

[potent pivot]

i actually think that's wrong

[jaunty osprey]

need to look into stuff

i havent looked at anything

[potent pivot]

i think Arcanoweave will be bis

which goes on gear

[potent pivot]

the weapon ones give secondary stats, the Arcanoweave gives main stat

unless he's talking about a different wep one but idk the others are kinda shit

[craggy silo]

Should sub beat frost mage now or is it a lost cause? Asking for a friend.

[outer sky]

Fuck no lol

[sullen spindle]

Maybe a silly question since I've been out of the game for a while, but on the sub side, with subterfuge lasting 4 seconds, is the trick to have a cancel aura macro when trying to get into shadowdance for burst? I find the 4 seconds to be a boon when burst is on cd, but a detriment while it's available

[outer sky]

Speaking of frost mage, I love this damage threshold they have for breaking CC now

Ill just die 100-0 to Ray of Frost while sitting a root that doesnt break the entire time

Shits so cooked

[potent pivot]

why would you need to cancelaura it?

[molten hedge]

Ray prob gonna get nerfed

[severe helm]

wait subt is shorter for sub rogues?

thought it was still 6 on assa/outlaw yeah?

[molten hedge]

It’s shorter

Like 2 secs iirc

[proven field]

One fear is good to handle at least one nuclear bomb before breaking

[molten hedge]

Ray having 2 charges that can damn near kill you solo no way it doesn’t get nerfed in the next month

[snow harness]

mage feels kinda hard in a 1v1 situation as a rogue tbh, cause they can blink your stuns, they got two novas and two blocks, its quite difficult once you use all your steps

[molten hedge]

Bro you shouldn’t beat a mage

In 3s I don’t even waste stuns on them

[proven field]

mage anti rogue

[craggy silo]

yea, they did the same bullshit last exp too, it got dumbster nerfed and arcane was the only playable spec

[molten hedge]

I just gouge them and let my dps fear or poly them so I can kill the rog or healer

[proven field]

ray is getting a nerf in 12.0.5, losing one charge

[snow harness]

fr?

[molten hedge]

Interesting

[sullen spindle]

believe it or not, this solved it for me. I was still using the backstab/shadowdance macro from TWW for danse procs... and because of the backstab, it was preventing me from using shadowdance during the 4 seconds of subterfuge

[craggy silo]

they only need one

[proven field]

ya was in PTR notes I posted earlier

[outer sky]

Its not even that. Its just why are these CCs that arent stuns functioning as stuns

[outer sky]

And alter time

[severe helm]

blizz doesnt know how to do damage thresholds

frost dk blinding sleet was like this forever too

could literally do like the first 3 glboals of their go before it broke

[potent pivot]

don't use that macro anymore

it's not good

we don't backstab in dance and we want our first global in dance to be a finisher if you don't have to cheap

you should be able to cast dance just fine even if subterfuge is up

[molten hedge]

Unstable Affliction: Afflicts the target with (251.967% of Spell Power) Shadow damage over 8 sec. Multiple uses of this ability may overlap.
If dispelled, deals [(62.9917% of Spell Power) * 4136 / 100] damage to the dispeller and silences them for 4 sec.
This damage is increased by 15% per stack on the target.

Assa aff stonks up? Lol

[vocal surge]

I wonder why its showcased as Spell Power * 4136 lol

Before its divided by 100

[molten hedge]

The important part is stacking backlash

[red obsidian]

what are we lookin to craft come reset?

Icy veins says rings and neck?

[vocal surge]

Its not the backlash

[gleaming pawn]

Never listen to Icy Veins

[vocal surge]

But the way its calculated

[molten hedge]

????

The damage from them dispelling stacks 15% per stack

[potent pivot]

we're still working on it

i'll probably have a gearing guide up

[molten hedge]

This is why affi is a joke in PvP bc all your dam is spam dispelled

[potent pivot]

jewelry seems very lackluster this season

[molten hedge]

But if a healer can get globaled and be in a silence, it will be really bad for them to dispel at times

[severe helm]

imagine being an spriest

[vocal surge]

Im talking about the formula

[severe helm]

what about the formula

[vocal surge]

Multiplied by 4136

[molten hedge]

Yeah i wasn’t referring to the formula

[severe helm]

4136/100

[molten hedge]

The backlash has always been about 20% of someone’s health since I’ve played aff

[vocal surge]

Those numbers are crazy high lol

I wonder how they settled on that

[severe helm]

deals [(62.9917% of Spell Power) * 4136 / 100] -> = 2605%

thats how its always been though right?

[vocal surge]

Already done the math for it

Its just that they use 4136 as its multiplier

[severe helm]

oh like it feels abitrary?

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[severe helm]

they probably multiplied it

[vocal surge]

Weird even

[severe helm]

from some previous value

their shit is so jank

[vocal surge]

Yeeee

Spaghetti math lol

[red obsidian]

how so? p new to this pvp thing

[vocal surge]

Btw the PvE players are going ruthless on casuals

[potent pivot]

it doesn't have main stat and the embellishments you can put on jewelry look ass this season

last expansion our bis embellishment could go on jewelry

[outer sky]

Ivan do you really think double vanish/subt is better than forced induction? Given how little we can do with the vanish

[spring bough]

Which one there’s a few

[potent pivot]

darkmoon hunt or void

in pve they're running hunt but its weird because it procs different stats based on target, void procs vers only

arcanoweave procs main stat with higher uptime

than the wep ones

[spring bough]

Think I’m doing hunt/arcano for both rogue and DH

Both pretty much use it for pve

[potent pivot]

arcanoweave goes on leather slots, procs 44agi with 53% uptime

hunt procs 85 secondary stat with 30% uptime

[spring bough]

Yeah sounds like I just made up my mind lol

[potent pivot]

double arcano would be 53% uptime on 88agi basically

thats what i think is the play personally

i think ivan and i are gonna look into it later tn

[potent pivot]

dh does double arcano

[spring bough]

im just copying the pve stuff for it lol

[potent pivot]

i'm saying in pve

[spring bough]

they dont run double on the sim they posted in the DH discord

yeah yeah i know "dh discord" w/e lol

[potent pivot]

wait dh has 2 specs now

r u talking about dev or havoc

[spring bough]

im doing devourer

[potent pivot]

double arcano is bis for havoc

they only go darkmoon void on wep early cuz crafted wep

[spring bough]

devourer has like one of the top ST dmgs in the game... sims at 115k dps

[potent pivot]

ye dev is hunt/arcano

[spring bough]

its pretty nuts right now

i just cracked the consume cast time code and can make them mostly all insta casts with the pvp talent and the 2x charge reap talent

[vocal surge]

Imb4 Outlaw gets a 10% buff

[potent pivot]

most specs haven't finished their sims

[spring bough]

outlaws ready tto go too thankfully we will know tomorrow

[jaunty osprey]

For Assa?

[outer sky]

yeah

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

You have 12 seconds of improved garrote

aka 12 seconds of silencing

diff targets

[molten hedge]

And garrote silence also has a debuff right

Makes them do less damage or something

Idr

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/void-tier-2-recolors-from-void-assaults-in-patch-12-0-5-purple-judgment-finally-380764

lol

[spring bough]

Dk gonna get nuked from orbit lol

[spring bough]

oh wow this is dope

[outer sky]

Feels weird that the silence happens after subterfuge so you get the silence but not the combo points

[spring bough]

WTB OG tier 3 recolors

[potent pivot]

ye these recolors are getting overdone idk

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, I def feel that too

but it’s definitely worth it to have 2 vanishes because of how strong improved garrote and iron wire is

[outer sky]

Probably means nelf is still a non negotiable then

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, unfortunately being able to get a restealth to cheap shot or get subterfuge/improved garrote is so important

[grave basin]

dead server things

[jaunty osprey]

Maybe once we get geared there could be a less bleed style build

[molten hedge]

@jaunty osprey did you see the aff change? Didn’t u play assa aff? Maybe that was zicore

[jaunty osprey]

and more envenom/ST focus

[outer sky]

I knew it. Trickz thought I was fried lol

[jaunty osprey]

where we can play FI and drop double van

[outer sky]

we both did

[spring bough]

every1 on tich kills each other and no1 loots it

[jaunty osprey]

I play any comp

but ya

assa aff

[molten hedge]

Unstable Affliction: Afflicts the target with (251.967% of Spell Power) Shadow damage over 8 sec. Multiple uses of this ability may overlap.
If dispelled, deals [(62.9917% of Spell Power) * 4136 / 100] damage to the dispeller and silences them for 4 sec.
This damage is increased by 15% per stack on the target.

[jaunty osprey]

but destro sub is the way to go this season

[molten hedge]

If they don’t get spam dispelled it could be good

That’s for 0.5 anyway

[molten hedge]

That’s what I’m playing

[severe helm]

how you get this

nvm found it

[gleaming sentinel]

Lmaooooo

[potent pivot]

not fried, just not AS important as before

based on damage etc

[molten hedge]

I’m still playing nelf on my feral as well

[outer sky]

I never once said it was. I said it was important enough that going nelf is still basically mandatory because giving it up was a significant enough nerf

your response "nah lol"

[potent pivot]

cuz i don't think its a mandatory thing

[outer sky]

it never was

people could still probably get their rating without it

esp s1 and s2

[grave basin]

yea on dead hours on frostmourne all the ally know whats happening

[outer sky]

when singular focus was bugging it out anyway

[spring bough]

yall just need to find a room and kiss or something idk

[snow harness]

am i blind, or where is hunter?

also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuVK16CsiSU skill capped and venruki are at odds with the tier lists lol

[molten hedge]

They barely mentioned him

It was clickbait mostly

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I just get one early in the am all the alliance Prot dummies just spin flag no matter what in the afternoon lol

[molten hedge]

Me on Venruki stream earlier fkn gotteem

[gleaming sentinel]

I hope they gut Prot pal and guardian

[grave basin]

aamen

[snow harness]

i know its just funny because venruki made a video called "i fixed skillcapped tier list" and then skill capped posted that after

[spring bough]

some 83 goblin mage tried to kill me in open world while i was demon form with a collapsing star charge.... 1 cast he dead

[spring bough]

hilarious... waitin to see him in solo shuffle season 1 so i can kill him again

[outer sky]

I just realized this is MM hunter's final apex node. I'm sure this won't be totally busted any time this season. Certainly not

[grave basin]

faced any enhance shamans lately

they fucking bang, the totemic ones

[outer sky]

yeah but thats fine

their go is extremely telegraphed

and theres a lot of ways to shut it down

and they can actually die

[grave basin]

theyre healing as much as tanks

every healing surge is basically lay on hands

[stoic spruce]

1

[keen fractal]

2

[spring bough]

3

[severe helm]

night elf forever

[severe helm]

I mean isnt this a good thing in terms of balance

like if something can always crit then theres less chance of a rando 1 shot

[vocal surge]

I cant escape Rogue Tank in Retail xD

[mystic shoal]

whats stat prio for sub

haste to 18 and then mast?

[outer sky]

How's that working out for chaos bolt?

[spring bough]

what u mean

[outer sky]

But yeah basically if it always crits it never crits

[vocal surge]

Tank in my M0

couldn't hold aggro

and I ended up tanking the final M0 dungeon boss

for over half the fight

as Outlaw

[mystic shoal]

did u tricks of trade them

[vocal surge]

Yes

[analog tapir]

what poisons do i use as assa btw? im abit confused now when there are 4 on the same time

[vocal surge]

He kept walking into the beams that stun

[mystic shoal]

rip

[mystic shoal]

cooked

LMFAO

[vocal surge]

Also

he keeps pulling the entire room

in each area

licked clean every room

I just wanna

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

halfway through that dungeon

for the amount of random mob packs we pulled

[spring bough]

just had a monk pulled every mob right into boss and it was glorious

[sullen spindle]

Yeah, i immediately dropped the macro after testing. I wasnt using the backstab portion for damage since pre patch but left the macro on my bars. Swapped it out for the real thing and bam, instantly fixed. Cheers!

[spring bough]

rogue and DH in 230s and ready for keys and ready for season 1 pvp.... what else is there to do now lol

[rough rock]

New skins look cool

[severe helm]

imagine if it could crit hahaha

[dark kernel]

My fucking DICK

https://tenor.com/view/crane-grua-transformers-dirty-mind-gif-7307130

[spring bough]

in a M0 group and this DK is full 240+ gear lololol

[proven field]

If you running dragon blades go wound and amp and cripp

[outer sky]

If sub doesnt get targeted for nerfs tomorrow the forums are going to explode

[spring bough]

whats the over under ZA comes back as a raid this xpack

[outer sky]

And numbing

But like the thing i noticed about playing assa was

Its burst was about as good as subs burst every shadow dance

But 1 charge on a 1m CD

Instead of 2 charges on a 20s CD

And obviously a lot less CC

[proven field]

I just like making two people bleed out while I go Michael Myers on the third - super fun to me

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-man-stab-stabbing-gif-5649674171277359917

[outer sky]

and then kidney ends and this happens:

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-slow-down-jethro-pioneers-gif-5521176

really wish they would just remove cheat death from the game. I hate when its the go to talent on that node because I vastly prefer elusiveness, it's also super buggy, and I hate when other rogues have that shit lmfao

@potent pivot Whats the weapon enchant we're supposed to run other than chain?

[keen fractal]

w as my favorite recolor in SoD

[molten hedge]

Their kingbane go seems quite a bit stronger than dance. But it is a longer cd that’s true

[outer sky]

Not really

maybe a little teeny tiny bit

but if it is at all thats just because assa is using badge on their kingsbane go

[ocean thunder]

Though assa has the option to just burst and not stun which is an extra enven

[outer sky]

Its burst isnt even that good

[ocean thunder]

I think that if you a) stack amplify for 2 x envenom b) hold energy then you can do a good kingsbane go which can be even better KB is not dispelled
The 2 x envenoms plus KB will hit quite hard

The difference is that sub can potentially kindey healer and burst dps with cheapshot stun

[outer sky]

Condition A isnt reliable enough to plan for

Especially when the alternative is open your spellbook and respec sub and do the same shit for half the effort and have more CC

[ocean thunder]

Yeah i agree on that, assa is more like 'stars aligned and i won' sub is much more versatile in this case
Though i hate it that after dance you are pretty much useless

if we kept rupture there would be at least something to do

[outer sky]

Useless for like 5 seconds until your next dance lol

[outer sky]

This always felt really out of place to me on sub. It felt like "well we want to be able to nerf subs burst but we cant without giving it some sustained damage so here's a pad button we can use as a dial to tune their sustained damage outside of dance"

the only thing about it that was kinda nice is if you ran out of dance charges when your kill target was at like 2% rupture could finish them off

[ocean thunder]

i dont disagree that it fits to keep it only for assa, it's just weird after playing assa for so many seasons not to have housekeeping to do between goes

[outer sky]

It also ticked a lot harder for sub than it did for assa even if assa spec'd into all the modifiers which just screamed "we're using this to try and tune sustained damage so it has to tick hard enough to pretend to be sufficent for that"

[ocean thunder]

Yeah because assa damage profile was garrote >> rupture, which in turn gave you the ability to control burst through vanish -> garrote pumps. RIP now

[outer sky]

Back when this game was almost fun

[snow harness]

full honor gear WW's seem to have some decent dmg in arena tbh

this one guy "treway" was farming skrims lastnight

[junior orbit]

hello! i was wondering if you guys knew the pvp talents for sub? i referenced icyveins but i wasn't sure if that was up to date.

[outer sky]

smoke bomb, Preemptive Maneuver, and either disarm or control is king depending on if the enemy team has anything worth disarming

[junior orbit]

what about the sub talents and rogue talents? im using those for sure right now!

[outer sky]

Pins

[sharp garden]

I feel like ww does good dmg but falls over pretty easy

[junior orbit]

tyty!

[sharp garden]

Maybe we all do actually lol

Minus dk

[outer sky]

ret??

[sharp garden]

True

I haven’t seen an overwhelming amount of ret in skirms

They may not want to expose themselves until season starts

[outer sky]

Theyre in every other game

[snow harness]

my ret was missing 8 pvp peices and felt stronger then my fully geared other toons

[ocean thunder]

and i was leveling a paladin to alt-heal...might need to reconsider!

[snow harness]

super fun

divine toll pumps now

[spring bough]

are you lying here? bro ive seen 1 in every game

[snow harness]

my dmg break down of my last arena skrim win

[hexed blaze]

Am I cooking with this assa build or am I banned from the kitchen CMQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fbmZmZxMMAAAAAwsNYbGAAAAAQ2GzMzMzYMzMzYGzMeAzYmxYmhxMDgBWgZMaMLgsNgNjtNgZmxYA

[dark kernel]

I need you guys to see this

[potent pivot]

Likely rendoreri+mastery

[outer sky]

which one is better while im still playing chain?

[potent pivot]

Idk

Chain won’t last

[molten hedge]

dont be a negative notrickz

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Dammit, I fucked up

[severe helm]

@potent pivot
does this work for you?

in bbp

[snow harness]

which 4 posions do we use as assa

WTF

a guardian druid just 70-0d me

im not trolling in .5

.2 even

[outer sky]

Wound, Amplifying, Crippling, Numbing

[snow harness]

there must be some hidden gaurdian druid tech going on

this guy is 1 shotting ppl in skrims rn

he just did it again

[halcyon timber]

Standard procedure man. bUt RoGUes aRe tHe pRoBleM

[snow harness]

ive never even seen those abilites before lol

genuinely confused

[halcyon timber]

Its the new warlock psyop so they can get buffs somehow /shrug

[snow harness]

lmao

[proven field]

Why no Internal Bleeding? That's 6-9% of my dmg in a BG alone.. I would move a few if you want total idiot BG spec try something like this: CMQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fPzMjZbmxMAAAAAwsNjZZGAAAAAQLLjZAjxMzMjhZmhZmZGzMDzYMALzsMWYMjZpxssNMZbYYbG2mZwMzMjB

err why did it do that, like this: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/fatebound/EAPFVVVVRAUUVRGpAQCBANVVRFVRhVUWAgdBUFFVVVUBQ

[snow harness]

yea i found the wowhead/icey to have bad assa talents, i prefer this discords talents

[outer sky]

So I was just in a 1v1 with another rogue and something pulled me out of stealth and put me in combat but it didnt pull him out of stealth. How is that even possuble?

[snow harness]

except i take gouge instead of blind

[proven field]

Blindside most dont take but it keeps full stacks rolling and saves a ton of energy, I CT to move my bleeds around all the time, I run Shiv/Hemo/Deadly Poison (Deadly is good for a million dmg in a BG), sudden demise alongside kingsbane ends people, I use double vanish to heal/reset/apply heavy garrote/silence more often, and....that's my as a mongo BG guy

[proven field]

old rogue bug? that's been around on and off since like WOD

[neat laurel]

return of the bear

basically they press ravage at +80 energy

well

press incarn

then press ravage

which then casts twice

does unga bunga damage

[snow harness]

yea thats insane

lol

bro was 1shotting ppl

@potent pivot do you think weaponmaster could potentially be better then deeper daggers?

im trying to find a way to run weaponmaster and removing daggers is only thing i can find

[potent pivot]

absolutely not

[snow harness]

damn

[stoic spruce]

that 1 cheapshot came in clutch just now

[potent pivot]

the only things that can be swapped are Rotten/PV

[outer sky]

@snow harness Did they stealth nerf the 80% concussive shot slow?

Reads 50% to me

[potent pivot]

its meant to have gouge anyway

[outer sky]

Nevermind

[snow harness]

whats pv?

[outer sky]

Perforated Veins

[snow harness]

im running both those right now at same time

am i missing something

[outer sky]

@potent pivot whats the addon that lets you swap the DR icons

[rough rock]

[outer sky]

hes saying you can swap either of them for something else. Not necessarily for each other

[snow harness]

oooh gotcha

what do u thinks better pv or rotten?

i wanna try out weaponmaster in prolonged games

n see how much its doing

[potent pivot]

i think if u swap 1 u swap both

i don't think there's any meaningful difference in swapping them for something else though

[silk badge]

I'm just a key whore but should we drop deepening shadows until we have haste? is 0 haste all mastery best for pvp at this gear level?

[snow harness]

funny enough that makes weaponmaster weaker lol

[potent pivot]

no

get haste

[potent pivot]

exactly

u either run WM+1pt in Finality or PV+Rotten

it won't make a real difference

[outer sky]

with Finality nerfed 50% in pvp thats probably not worth

[potent pivot]

and personally i like the big strikes more

[outer sky]

id rather have the 10% strike damage

[snow harness]

yea big strikes r nice

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter

[snow harness]

thats why i wanna use weaponmaster but nothing is worth swapping

[potent pivot]

you will do similar damage with either combination

[outer sky]

🤦‍♂️

[snow harness]

i wonder how assa will feel in 2s with a healer

[potent pivot]

you act like i'm not taking that into account bro

[snow harness]

it feels not bad in skrims

[potent pivot]

its not an addon and honestly i'm not sure. bicmex has it behind a fucking paywall, but sammers had a free program that did it

[unkempt seal]

It's really hard for me to understand Outlaw pvp - I thought this was the spec that could toe to toe and brawl a bit more but I'm getting shredded a bit

[potent pivot]

https://x.com/sammers_wow/status/2016193488686088460

Sammers (@sammers_wow)

Just released the DR changer program allowing to do that without touching the files. The used icons are upscaled `Clean-Icons-Mechagnome-Edition` icons

You can download it from: https://t.co/wBushe3BJA

The project is open source.

X · Jan 27, 2026, 4:56 PM

idk how bicmex has it behind a damn pay wall when sammers made it open source

[outer sky]

Damn

[severe helm]

ooooooooooooooooo I need that

[outer sky]

it uses msi

wont work for my friend I dont think

he has a mac

[snow harness]

man i was wondering about that lol

my stun icon is a concuss...

who needs drs anyway, just spam that stun and if they are immune try again in a lil bit

[potent pivot]

I do not endorse it

[severe helm]

why?

[potent pivot]

Just throwing that out there

[severe helm]

is it like doing some backdoor shit?

[potent pivot]

Because it’s an external program afaik so I can’t vouch for it in any way

[severe helm]

aaaaaaah

[potent pivot]

No I just mean security wise

Sammers has been in the community a while now so I highly doubt there’s anything malicious, just take a peek at the code first ig

[severe helm]

yeah I figure its just changing the game files though im pretty sure thats technically against tos

like jmorph

[potent pivot]

It’s just .tga files so no

It shouldn’t technically be tos

There are plenty of icon packs thousands of people use

[severe helm]

oh true

[potent pivot]

Like clean icons/mechagnome thing

It’s basically on the same level as replacing your games font folder with the font you want

Which I think is how some people still have custom damage number fonts? Like Kush

[snow harness]

what does infused helitrop do, just got from a pvp cache

is this the socket thing?

[potent pivot]

Ya

[snow harness]

does 1 create 1 socket or do u need multiple

[outer sky]

need 3 and 5000 honor to buy a socket

[snow veldt]

is there a specific talent build we should be running for things like M0s? Kinda doing my own thing RN since i'm in gearing up limbo but am wondering if there is something more optimal. Having low haste feels bad but that seems true at the start of most xpaks

[potent pivot]

get a m+ pve build from wowhead

[snow veldt]

oh thank you i just realized i was in the wrong thread.

Dx

[potent pivot]

[snow veldt]

I did a search and for some reason it brought me to pvp lol

[snow harness]

btw, fury warrior with uptime is insane in pvp dont let anyone fool u

i faced a war tonight that 2v3d me on my hunter he was with a mw and he was doing the most damage i ever seen

or no i was on my ret actually

or maybe im just bad but he was pumping lol and mw heals kept him up

[potent pivot]

with uptime kekw

[outer sky]

Warrior? High uptime?

What is this Wrath?

Idk if warrior has ever been more miserable to play

Even with high uptime their damage isnt that scary

Especially arms

But now every time you connect theres a CC answer

One thing ive noticed about this game is that generally speaking when warrior is at least A tier the meta usually feels pretty good.

Warriors play a vital role in the wow arena ecosystem

If theyre good that means they have decent uptime and scary damage which keeps the casters at bay

Without warrior the casters rise up and dominate us all

[potent pivot]

@severe helm https://gist.github.com/Nnoggie/fd7e194bf9016112bb889d8b4a50226e

[stoic spruce]

yeah fury will melt into melee cleaves

[outer sky]

Arms metas are better imo

And arms is also more fun to play

[stoic spruce]

pvp pops say otherwise

[outer sky]

I haven't played a ton of warrior as of late but every time I have ive thought arms was more fun

[stoic spruce]

theyre equal imo

[outer sky]

And the arms warrior fantasy is more alluring to me than the fury warrior one

For what thats worth

[stoic spruce]

none more fun than the other

[severe helm]

the fuck is this for?

a mount addon?

[potent pivot]

look at it and try to take a guess

then i'll show you

[severe helm]

oh

is this to mount all your multi box units

err characters*

[potent pivot]

fury ungabunga spam. arms ungabunga big smash

https://x.com/allyparser/status/2031932252331119015

ally (@allyparser)

Does anyone know what addon this is? I'm leveling alts and would love to be able to mount and loot on all 3 characters at the same time.

▶ Play video

X · Mar 12, 2026, 3:16 AM

[severe helm]

LOL

[potent pivot]

"an ingame feature you simply just dont know about"

i stg i hope they ban any cretins using it

every fuckin raid they do something scummy lmao

[stoic spruce]

what am I looking at?

I may be too employed to understand tbh

[rough rock]

its pretty much doing what addons for adding overlays do

[potent pivot]

too unemployed u mean

[rough rock]

Like girls who do girly priest things

[potent pivot]

its an addon made specifically to mount up your alt accounts

from an action on your main account

which isn't supposed to be giga tos

[stoic spruce]

[neat laurel]

[stoic spruce]

im so glad the WoW community exists. Lets me know there are worse people than me out there.

[outer sky]

Wait lol so theres a whole addon to save people the trouble if having to tab between windows to mount up multiple times?

[potent pivot]

a whole ass custom made secret addon

[outer sky]

Amazing

[severe helm]

people really be out here doing everything they can to "not use addons"

[potent pivot]

why does everyone say arms is ass but bajheera is smashing folks

[stoic spruce]

theyre bad

its okay to say it

[potent pivot]

out dpsing the unh

when you're on 3 accounts at once dismounting and remounting while you quest up 40 characters to 90 you might

[outer sky]

Yeah true thats uncharted territory for me

[potent pivot]

what is this dragon charge shit

[outer sky]

Actually im deleting that message im embarrassed about that

[severe helm]

3.6mil dps?

oh wait he has it reversed lol

so 9k dps?

idgi

[grave basin]

https://youtu.be/66lrU_fv3SQ?si=cKYBRbH-YiN73aGJ

[severe helm]

LOOOOOOOOL

[grave basin]

His words not mine

[stoic lava]

say it aint so man

[potent pivot]

he's in a bg so i imagine meter is kinda crap

[outer sky]

@spring bough @vocal surge @gleaming sentinel @gusty hedge

[severe helm]

"literal worst spec in the game" hahaha

he hates outlaw lolol

[outer sky]

Its also just so bad rn he may not even be exaggerating

[severe helm]

I mean hes playing it very wrong

[stoic lava]

slow grapple and no spammable cheapshot 😭

[severe helm]

but yeah its not great

[stoic lava]

I weep

[severe helm]

its bad but not for the reasons he saw lol

[stoic spruce]

wow hes playing it bad

[rough rock]

he did no zero in procs

[outer sky]

The grapple nerf is so bad.

[rough rock]

just fired off bte randomly lmao

[stoic lava]

it feels awful but the worst part is it bugs so mcuh more often now

I like only play bgb these days so its like

5x sad

[stoic spruce]

wdym

youll feel it more in arena

[potent pivot]

calm has been playing outlaw

there's still hope imo

[stoic spruce]

where you have to grapple to kick or cc

[outer sky]

I queued into him playing it today and he did no damage

[severe helm]

thats how outlaw works

it does no damage and hopes you die

[outer sky]

I mean when it had fast grapple, CDR on vanish and evasion, and spammable cheap shot it could do meh damage and be alright

But now?

That shit needs to crank

And calm didnt crank

[gusty hedge]

fckn pikaboo shits always funny he's not wrong tho

[stoic lava]

I mean you'll feel it in both but there's a lot of very crucial things to grapple in bgb and with how slow it is now you can just get cc'd out of it lol

especially when like fcing and stuff

[stoic spruce]

youll cross the bg in 6.5 seconds instead of 6

youll be fine

[gusty hedge]

who is that?👀

[outer sky]

I queued skirms with Verm the other day and ofc he was playing outlaw and I swear every time he hooked i thought I was lagging out

[dark moon]

New meta - hook to dc people in hopes of win

[outer sky]

I think the better strat would be to try your hardest and hope the other team starts laughing too hard to play the game

[gusty hedge]

popo borderline mafic

[severe helm]

always has been

[stoic spruce]

you can doom about not being good idc but at least be realistic

[severe helm]

popo=poop

grapple is a lot slower

outlaw is not nearly as mobile

[stoic spruce]

you act like we wont have 4 grapples and sprint still

[severe helm]

it also doesnt have the cdr to actually reduce grapple

ALSO grapple cd is longer now

[outer sky]

Sprint lol 😂

[stoic spruce]

yes

sprint

for FC

[severe helm]

ALSO it doesnt have the ER bug to abuse to get cdr while just randomly moving around

cus they moved supercharger to adr

[outer sky]

The fuck good is sprint when you've got a perma 80% concussive shot slow on you

[stoic spruce]

and fast grapple would prevent that?

get a grip

[severe helm]

ALSO you dont have vanish to remove roots as often

[stoic lava]

You wont rofl because you're going to get cc'd out of the animation constantly and it will go on cd/not get the rest

[severe helm]

ALSO you have to pick between extra move speed and stam

[stoic lava]

its cheeks

[stoic spruce]

you get CCd regardless of speed

[severe helm]

ALSO you barely have points to even take reduced grapple cd and it competes with longer range short cd blind

[stoic spruce]

these problems were here before

[severe helm]

nah

when its faster

you cant get cced during

which stops the grapple

[stoic lava]

^

[severe helm]

when its slower

its easier to cc

[outer sky]

Prevent it? No. Make it more bearable? Yes. The point is, a 100% movement speed buff ain't worth much when youre slowed by 70+% the whole time

[severe helm]

during the grapple

and stop the movement

so its significantly weaker

[stoic lava]

you're talking to the back to back #1 bgb outlaw here

it sucks trust me

but yea its gunna be ass for arena too

all that aside it also jsut FEELS bad

class fantasy wise

[stoic spruce]

im not saying it doesnt suck lol

[stoic lava]

its just not fun to press

[severe helm]

outlaw is awful both tuning wise and kit/mechanics wise

[outer sky]

This actually still happened to me with fast grapple. I can't imagine it now. But like id grapple past a priest and somehow get feared on the way it was so tilting

[stoic spruce]

im saying its blown way out of proportion

[severe helm]

it got slower, less tanky, less damage, less burst, less utility, less everything

[severe helm]

LOL yep

happens so often now

[outer sky]

Yeah but you spawn tumbleweeds now have you considered that?

[stoic lava]

Just feels like outlaw lost its entire identity

[severe helm]

yeah with your btes that hit for 10k

[stoic lava]

They have to make us do giga warrior damage now or its like

[severe helm]

outlaws identity is being weak now

[stoic lava]

whats the point

[severe helm]

thats its whole identity

being bad haha

[stoic lava]

I like being a little mobile low damage rat

[severe helm]

it grapples around, tickles you, then sits in a 10s root cuz its only root break is on a 2min cd

[stoic lava]

i mean tbh damage wasnt even that low last season

burst was giga

[severe helm]

I thought outlaw had one of the lowest shuffle cutoffs

[vocal surge]

Only for 1 week

[severe helm]

yeah they shit on its burst p quick

[stoic lava]

It stayed good even after the change

It wasn't that bad

[severe helm]

they HATE when outlaws good

so much

[stoic lava]

Because no one good plays it really

[severe helm]

blizz sees outlaw in one awc tourney

and they will gut it

[severe helm]

thats super untrue

[vocal surge]

https://youtu.be/nVFrrP3yHrY?si=n6jsyqdgwV5-9dGN&t=2

[severe helm]

outlaw has some very good very dedicated players

[stoic lava]

super not untrue, only a few good outlaws even qued it in shuffle

[outer sky]

Didn't Dazed play it?

[severe helm]

like dazed

whos one of the best rogues to ever do it

[vocal surge]

That was 5 coins, btw

[stoic lava]

yea he doesnt care that much about shuffle though

[vocal surge]

2 more were lined up

and then boom

[stoic lava]

I mean look at whazz winrates on eu

[vocal surge]

nerf

[stoic lava]

Just saying the gap between the top outlaw sand the middling ones is so much higher thna most specs

[severe helm]

eh im not sure its much different

[stoic lava]

bro it is 😭

[severe helm]

outlaw has a high barrier to entry

I think the top of other specs

I think its less popular

so you have less total good players

but the distribution I think swings the other way

like there are wars touching r1 shuffle cutoff with highest 3s rating of like 2200

I mean there are some specs out there

that can brain off their way to the top

[stoic lava]

I mean that's literally what im saying

the difference between the actual good outlaws and the okay ones

is insane

[severe helm]

in efficacy

not skill

same with mages

and sub rogues

and surv hunters

and any high skill cap spec

the players arent worse

the expression is jsut greater

[stoic lava]

What in gods green earth are you saying LOL

[severe helm]

that youre misconstruing efficacy and actual skill

[potent pivot]

you don't know who calm is?

[stoic lava]

How are you defining actual skill

[severe helm]

like if whaaz is playing arms warrior hes gona be better than other arms but not like impossible to beat better than other arms cuz arms isnt that high of a skill cap spec in comparison to whaaz on rogue where the gap is insanely noticeable

[potent pivot]

pretty sure he's a got a lot of r1s as rogue, streams some expansions, has done a couple streams this expac so far but doesn't publish vods

[stoic lava]

calm is really good yea

[severe helm]

hes super OG too

been around for a long time p sure

[potent pivot]

how many actual good outlaws do you think there is?

[grave basin]

Calmr is not just really good lol

[potent pivot]

i can name them all on one hand.

[stoic lava]

There's like

3-4

[severe helm]

dazed, calm

[stoic lava]

like ACTUAL good outlaws

[severe helm]

trill

I mean trill is like

good on his team

[potent pivot]

dazed calm trill and whaazz

[severe helm]

but faced him a lot in 2s

[gusty hedge]

i dont keep up with any streamers or any brackets of whos on top tbh
really only know the names mentioned or if i played with them ingame like nahj pikaboo . first im hearing of calm😭

[stoic lava]

yea more or less haha

[severe helm]

and trill is not that good in 2s lol

[stoic lava]

And the gap between them and everyone else is like

astronomical

[severe helm]

I think trill hasnt been as good at outlaw sin the df s3 rework

tbh

he was really good in SL

[potent pivot]

there might be 1 or 2 more tourney level outlaws i'm forgetting

trimaz is p good

[stoic lava]

trimaz is good yea

[severe helm]

whos the guy on prevs team

drake

[potent pivot]

drake yaya

[severe helm]

drake plays outlaw plenty good

[grave basin]

Doctordaggers not even mentioned

[potent pivot]

so 6-7 good outlaws in the world

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bosnov-67

[stoic lava]

avidance is good but I dont know if he shuffles on it really

[severe helm]

hes not

on outlaw

[stoic lava]

he's 100% very good at outlaw

[severe helm]

only plays it in blitz

hes really not haha

he just plays it as a bg spec

[grave basin]

Val not mentioned

[severe helm]

oh yeah val

vals def good

[potent pivot]

your honorable mentions are not worth mentioning sry

[grave basin]

[gusty hedge]

seen val mostly on sin rarely outlaw in open world

[stoic lava]

I promise you avi could get r1 on outlaw in shuffle at the least

[potent pivot]

shuffle

[stoic lava]

and 3s

[potent pivot]

there is a difference

[severe helm]

even I have r1 outlaw shuffle

[potent pivot]

between good tourney and good ladder

[grave basin]

And?

[severe helm]

I think avi is not on the level of awc outlaw players even remotely

[potent pivot]

like at some point you have to mark a cut off where "best" becomes "they're good"

[severe helm]

hes an overall good player so he could probably learn it eventually

[potent pivot]

you can't have every "good" one be "best"

[severe helm]

but if you just threw him in the ring at this very moment against the other outlaws we named

I dont think he would do well

[grave basin]

Kalvish??

[severe helm]

kalvish doesnt count

[potent pivot]

outlaw

[stoic lava]

kalvish hates outlaw haha

like HATES it

I cant get him to paly it in bgb for more than like 1 game

[severe helm]

when did kalvish start doing blitz

[potent pivot]

a while ago now

[stoic lava]

thats 90% of what he does now

[severe helm]

rofl

[outer sky]

They need to make it so that in order to get r1 in shuffle you have to have gotten Legend for the season. That way I wont have to deal with sweaty af tanks in my alt lobbies at the end of every season trying to snipe an r1 slot at a 2k cutoff or some shit

[potent pivot]

tww s1?

[severe helm]

yeah I stopped blitzing by s2 of tww

[stoic lava]

THats how he won AWC, blitz practice ofcourse

[severe helm]

queues too late at night

not fun

[stoic lava]

yea its pretty degen

[severe helm]

you can sit r1 on ladder for 80% of the season

but then at the end you have to fucking watch streams to see when queues are hot and try to catch high mmr lobbies and fucking queue til 5 am

[stoic lava]

ye its poop

[severe helm]

at this point im not sure I even respect r1 blitz

[stoic lava]

they should time lock ques or something I udnno

You shouldnt its not that special

[grave basin]

Its ok rogues only have 1 spec

[severe helm]

its more about manipulating the system

than being good

[stoic lava]

I mean

99% of people getting it are actualyl good but

you have to play the ladder game too

[severe helm]

the number of shit players at the top lobbies in blitz

is insane

[stoic lava]

3 slots per spec isn't a lot

[outer sky]

Even swole got r1 blitz

[severe helm]

not gona name names but

there are some fucking healers

[stoic lava]

yea again I said you shouldn't respect it haha

[severe helm]

unbearable

[stoic lava]

not all specs are equal

some have really high competition

[severe helm]

also

duo queue

is not fair

delete it

frankly

[potent pivot]

pinkteddyp resents this message. pinkteddyp does not back this message.

[stoic spruce]

get a healer friend

[stoic lava]

LOL

[severe helm]

if I solo queue as outlaw I shouldnt be compared to someone queueing with the most op healer in a season

[stoic lava]

You can get r1 fine without it

ive never duod a single game

[severe helm]

yeah you just hafve to work way harder

[stoic spruce]

I never dont duo

[stoic lava]

ye its annoying

[severe helm]

and do all the queue watching bs

[outer sky]

Remember those screenshots I sent you of him fucking going OFF on me over some comment I made that wasnt even rude?

[severe helm]

its just genuinely so toxic

[stoic lava]

But you get to que with good healers still even without a duo

[severe helm]

you can yeah

[stoic lava]

But yea its very op

[severe helm]

have to know

[potent pivot]

pinkteddyG is a G

[severe helm]

the pool is so small

you can essentially know ahead of time

what the teams are gona be

[potent pivot]

he flames ppl and can be toxic af, yea

[severe helm]

cuz they always pair duo vs duo

and try to pair class vs class

[outer sky]

You like him now?

[potent pivot]

did i ever say i didn't idr

[outer sky]

Sure didn't sound like it

[potent pivot]

he is not on crusader's level

[stoic lava]

there's no worse healer to get on your team than ted because he just types the entire game

[severe helm]

LOL

[outer sky]

Let me try and find the messages

[severe helm]

is anyone on crusaders level?

[potent pivot]

lmao

guess not

[severe helm]

bro Ive watched parfait die without pressing defensives way too many times

[potent pivot]

idk teddy can be hilarious

[severe helm]

I hate flag maps

so much

[stoic lava]

and ive watched ted do the same, people just dont crash out at him

[severe helm]

way way way way way too much value

on your fc

[potent pivot]

and he outed HELLA people that bought r1 win trades and pilots last season

[severe helm]

like you get two priests as your healers

[stoic lava]

yea Fc maps are doggy in high bgb

[potent pivot]

i respect that

[severe helm]

and they get a dragon monk

and you just leave

[stoic lava]

you hope for the good pres

[severe helm]

its so boring

genuinely bgb is just not designed to be fair in a competitive sense

[stoic lava]

EHHHH I mean

people abuse every ladder in one way or another

[potent pivot]

best spec to push galactic warlord title guys???

[severe helm]

theres WAYYY too much value on how and when you queue

over how well you play

[potent pivot]

bear form??

[stoic lava]

thats for sure

[severe helm]

0/10

[stoic lava]

They should lock ques to like

6pm->2am or something

then shut them off rofl

[outer sky]

Ok I found it @potent pivot can I post this?

[stoic lava]

I probably wont play this season just because I cant stay up that late again

[severe helm]

or maybe YOU LOSE RATING IF YOU DONT ACCEPT

fucking degens

[potent pivot]

dm me it first?

if i said it in here its prolly fine

[severe helm]

tank specs are great

but you have to be the best tank spec

otherwise youre gona hvae to dodge a lot

cuz if bear is weak

[stoic lava]

tank specs are okay to push with but they have the most wintraders

[severe helm]

and blood is giga

then you have to dodge the bloods

I think the best thing to push as is probably the worst healer spec

so like holy priest

was free a lot of seasons

when it was bad

[severe helm]

v true

[stoic lava]

WW is a good thing topush

there's only 1 good WW

the rest are all paid mmr coat tailers

[severe helm]

yeah weird specs like surv too

[stoic lava]

Its gum and nothing

[severe helm]

I mean thats the issue with unpopular specs

[stoic lava]

yea I wish I had more time I shoulda got r1 on survival last season

[severe helm]

is some people will just queue it for the free r1 by duoing with their meta healer friends

[stoic lava]

Tbh 80% of blitz is game knowledge not how good you are at the spec but