pvp

[neat laurel]

what the fuck?

[gusty hedge]

World Quest in Harandar if any player is below u can toss the quest bombs at them too 😂

[neat laurel]

[hidden moth]

how much honor is a normal bg on a loss?

[stoic spruce]

A handshake and a fuck you

It's like 200 maybe

[hidden moth]

so just

afk at stables in bot mode

ez

[stoic spruce]

If you participate in ebgs, you get more from losing than you do regular BGs winning

And since games are fast, you honor cap faster

[hidden moth]

epic bg fast games?

huh

[stoic spruce]

They've been fast the past 6 years

[hidden moth]

we doing random epic or the new one

ashran aint fast

[stoic spruce]

I do random

[hybrid sapphire]

the new one is cool af but its a lagfest

[stoic spruce]

Ashran 2nd fastest

Everyone bee lines to bosses

I haven't played ashran legitly in so long, idek remember how it works

[rough rock]

It works by killing tremblade

[hidden moth]

every single ashran i got war within was

who ever hit 0 lives lost

[stoic spruce]

Oof

Couldn't be ne

Me

[rough rock]

should i do a boomie if i want a spec to turn my brain off in bgs

[cobalt vector]

Is assassin any fun? I leveled my first rogue (sub) and like it, but coming from feral assassin peaks my interest.

[potent pivot]

Yee

[hidden moth]

no

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[cobalt vector]

Yes no yes. I’ll take it

[stoic spruce]

Try it out even if we all said no

[hidden moth]

^

i just dislike that its less bleed focused than it used to be

love that

the warglaive gives int but the chopper and talons dont

and the claws give int but are another 50% on the cost

kekw

[potent pivot]

pretty sure my shit is grandfathered at like $11

[neat laurel]

stuff like this is why i bought the ashes of creation lifetime subscription

🤡

any day now im sure.

[latent patrol]

[gleaming sentinel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hand-on-shoulder-jason-hayes

[neat laurel]

[potent pivot]

i was kinda looking forward to that one getting done

[neat laurel]

same

it sounded so promising

[latent patrol]

thats why i knew it wouldnt happen

if a new mmo looks promising then expect the worst

[neat laurel]

the only wow killer will be wow

[stoic spruce]

They'll just release a new version of vanilla

[potent pivot]

well they've already been doing a great job of that for quite a while now

[neat laurel]

ikr

im just seeing how this tier plays out with how rotation feels and bosses feel

[spring bough]

Classic plus saves Warcraft

If they make rogue combo points on character and not mob I’m sold

[stoic spruce]

WoW players don't know what they want

Idk how many more instances have to happen before they figure it out

[latent patrol]

its ok

surely league mmo comes out

[stoic spruce]

And if or when it does, it'll last 4ish years

[latent patrol]

thats optimistic

[stoic spruce]

I'm feeling generous today

My favorite is when wow players ask for features from dead/dying mmos

[latent patrol]

tbf some dead or dying mmos have fantastic features

[neat laurel]

nah the league mmo will be good because as much as i dislike riot, they're really good at taking other products and making it more commercially viable

[latent patrol]

and just fuck everything else up

[neat laurel]

at least 2/3 of their most known games have been hard stolen from a preexisting games

[stoic spruce]

Blizz used to be the best at that

[neat laurel]

and made better/more accessible

[latent patrol]

riot does go hard at stealing ideas and improving on them

[stoic spruce]

It's actually crazy how far blizz fell off from stealing ideas and making them better

[latent patrol]

its a winning strategy

i wish more mmos did it

[neat laurel]

blizzard did do that

with skyriding

[latent patrol]

ffxiv needs to steal wows collection tab

[neat laurel]

and look how well it worked out

[latent patrol]

yeah thats straight from gw2

[stoic spruce]

And that's where it ends as of late

Their housing implementation is good as well

I feel like it's missing something idk

[latent patrol]

tbf with housing they did kinda take everything people wished ffxiv housing did and added it

[neat laurel]

yeah as much as i dislike housing

theyve done well with it

[latent patrol]

i need my pets to run around my house

[potent pivot]

osrs has this

[latent patrol]

wow will have it soon

already confirmed being worked on

[stoic spruce]

Can't wait for a BONESTORM!!!! in my sacrificial pit

[hidden moth]

ight anyone have a spreadsheet book thing on how void storm works

[hybrid rapids]

what's the stat prio for sub atm?

[potent pivot]

~18% haste > vers/mast

[neat laurel]

even in pvp?

[potent pivot]

yes

[neat laurel]

ty

[latent patrol]

np

[stoic spruce]

Yw

[potent pivot]

@dark kernel i was surprised to hear nahj talkin about going 30% haste

[dark kernel]

yeah

[potent pivot]

but doing it for the fun of it makes sense

[dark kernel]

I know I was being sincere about him having fun

i mean its not his money anymore

[potent pivot]

yea

can actually enjoy something when it isn't your job

[finite onyx]

is there an addon that shows you your scaled up secondaries when you're not scaled up?

[potent pivot]

there's probably a character panel addon that exists that does it, but not sure

[safe mural]

My first blood !

[stoic spruce]

My first blood was that night elf fury warrior that I went 7-0 against

[safe mural]

7-0

Ish

[stoic spruce]

No I counted

Because I pinged trickz to tell his people to chill and the warrior coincidentally received the message

I'm pretty sure that warrior was trickz

[outer sky]

Looks like self defense to me

[safe mural]

Teach me How to dougie

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/john-wall-dance-swag-gif-5254205

[rough rock]

played a bg against a alliance premade and they had 2 aug evokers, 2 gdruids, and 2 mw monks

[potent pivot]

talk about sweating lmao

@spring bough

[outer sky]

I take it you lost?

[rough rock]

horde always wins wym

[outer sky]

Rip

[rough rock]

i won one before this tbh but theres just so many premades

tried making one for almost 20 minutes lmao

[potent pivot]

only way to get proper good premades going is with guildies/homies

there will be a bit less premades going on once rated season starts

[outer sky]

Apparently people run pre-made 40 mans

I kinda want to queue an EBG just to try the new one but im afraid I'll get Ashran

[stoic spruce]

I'm people

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

U might but, they buffed it so you'll more likely get the new bg when queing epic que

[rough rock]

its .98 in pvp that fine?

[outer sky]

How much haste do you have in pvp? Not the %, the actual number of stats?

[potent pivot]

no

need moar

[rough rock]

Just logged I’ll check tomorrow

[potent pivot]

you want ~18% in pvp, 600-700 haste rating in pvp

[outer sky]

At 18% haste shadow dance lasts 7.62 seconds. That's one of my favorite numbers. IYKYK

[rough rock]

x39

Or 51 lmao

[outer sky]

Obsolete

Yeah 51

[rough rock]

Nah my dream of owning a mutant will live on

[potent pivot]

bro what

[outer sky]

Those got pretty shit reviews

[rough rock]

Was a Tarkov staple so just drawn to it lmao

[outer sky]

Yeah I get that

[potent pivot]

cmmg mk47?

[outer sky]

AR47

Basically an AR15 with a sub par caliber

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[outer sky]

If you really want something in 7.62 Soviet just get an AK and be done with it

[vocal surge]

Everytime I see a gun, I check 'em boolets

Cant have enough for hideout stash

[rough rock]

Lmaoo I stopped playing like 2 years ago. Can’t be bothered to get kappa again doing the same shit over and over

[potent pivot]

pvp dummies not scaling gear is going to piss me off

[rough rock]

Yes

[vocal surge]

Story came out

although rn tired of running Reserve lol

moreso when global loot nerfed

[outer sky]

Yeah every time you want to check your stats in pvp you have to queue a skirm

[vocal surge]

and Interchange the loot meta

[rough rock]

I miss the old shoreline days

[vocal surge]

Snoreline go brrr

[rough rock]

Rushing 301 west

[potent pivot]

how much haste rating and % do you have in/out of pvp

[rough rock]

Ngl my favorite PvP fighting was in resort or customs idk why but Tarkov cqb gunplay is fire

[outer sky]

I dont remember i just know in pvp I have 610 haste

[potent pivot]

i'm at the vendor rn buying shit and i don't want to overshoot

[stoic spruce]

Have you ever cared about other people's enjoyment of the game while in a match?

I know I haven't and I know they don't care about mine

[vocal surge]

My only issue with Tarkov is hit registration in PvP

[potent pivot]

i care about my team's

[outer sky]

I have haste on every piece besides my weapons, neck, one ring, and belt. And that got me 610 haste in pvp

[stoic spruce]

My honor is more important

[rough rock]

Lmao I miss the days of labs where there was no interia and everyone would jump off 2nd floor spraying

[vocal surge]

Dang xD

[rough rock]

When peaking first was an advantage

[potent pivot]

that sounds... like too much idk

[stoic spruce]

Wasn't there some drama with tarkov devs recently?

[outer sky]

It isn't

Its 610

In pvp

[rough rock]

Russia sued them…..for 25k

[potent pivot]

ight

[stoic spruce]

How would they ever recover

[rough rock]

I don’t know why I’m getting the feeling sub won’t be nerfed

Or hardly at all

[potent pivot]

idk where you're getting that idea

always expect it

never fails

[outer sky]

Youre new to this arent you?

Sub does not get to do lethal damage on its own

Now, idk really what everyone is whining about. Obviously im biased but when I play into sub it doesnt feel particularly oppressive

I dont need to panic trinket in the first half of the cheap shot

[rough rock]

Gaslighting for outlaw buffs

[outer sky]

And I can just get the rogues trinket

And kill him

If my teammate has any damage or he gets low

[potent pivot]

i watched nahj live VS 2 sub rogues using blades earlier in a 3v3 skirm

[outer sky]

I just dont get it. This actually feels like the most balanced sub has ever been

In terms of damage

I can't kill someone in a cheap shot by myself but if I have every CD they need to press

And I contribute meaningful damage to the kill

In the past its always been kill people in a single cheap shot every go or do nothing but stun for your mage or lock

[potent pivot]

ppl bad, ppl cry

[stoic spruce]

I'm with it's only allowed to kill within 6 seconds and not 4

[rough rock]

It’s just insane the night and day difference between outlaw and sub

Beating a dead horse but still

[stoic spruce]

Remember Rune

Whenever you hear Sub is bad

It's either a Sub player or that mage streamer

Never anyone else

[potent pivot]

Sub is good

[outer sky]

Yeah its like A tier IMO

[potent pivot]

Some other things are just bad

[stoic spruce]

Should give me shadow dance tho ngl

[potent pivot]

I don’t want to be nerfed into being bad like every season ever

[outer sky]

I really think people conflate "annoying" with "overpowered"

[rough rock]

I would be so down for a shadow dance

[potent pivot]

And shot in the dark

Put them both back on the class tree

[rough rock]

Or restless blades on more abilites

[potent pivot]

I’ve fixed the class !

[outer sky]

TMI bro

[stoic spruce]

I'm amazed dagger is still a pvp talent at all

[potent pivot]

Wut

[stoic spruce]

Dagger in the Dark is its name isn't it?

The increased dmg from stealth

But like

"stealth"

Not subt

[outer sky]

Yeah its the only pvp talent in the game thats so bad that at some point people went out of their way to install a 3rd party addon to mimic what Dagger in the Dark does for them when theyre facing a rogue. And blizzard had to change their API to gut it because that addon was deemed too much of an advantage

[potent pivot]

Im talking about the cheap shot charge talent

Shot in the dark or w/e it is

[outer sky]

Thats one of our pvp talents

I dont think assa and outlaw are ever getting dance back tbh

[stoic spruce]

Nah

Esp with outlaw not being vanish focused at all

[outer sky]

Theres a chance they may move Shot in the Dark to the class tree. But im not sure how much of a difference that would even make.

Now if they gave assa and outlaw shot in the Dark but shortened the base CD of vanish that may help

[stoic spruce]

That would imply outlaw and assa would have to somehow make room for at least subt

[rough rock]

I wish they’d just make grave digger auto hide a bullet

[outer sky]

True

[rough rock]

Feels stupid to hit 4 dispatches and not get a point lmao

[outer sky]

This is the least of outlaws problems

[rough rock]

It’s still the move fun for me but like I said, the night and day difference with sub just makes it a pain

[outer sky]

I just realized If youre a night elf your shadow dance lasts 0.1s longer at night than during the day

[potent pivot]

orc dps racial is bigger than that

its somethin like +3% overall dps

[outer sky]

3.6%

[stoic spruce]

Am I back to farming orc rogues?? :D

If my autocorrect were a person I'd strangle them

[potent pivot]

i think orc and highmountain are unironically best 2 races rn

u can maybe argue nelf is still dece for assa

but meh

[outer sky]

I think youre forgetting one 🦊

[potent pivot]

worgen? yea

[outer sky]

Thats a fox not a wolf

[potent pivot]

ya i said the fox guy

[outer sky]

🐺 this is the wolf emoji

[potent pivot]

worgen is the chad fox

ur race is the pussycat

[outer sky]

I may race swap one of my nelf rogues to orc or something

I have 3 nelfs and a fox

I still think theres a big benefit to nelf for assa and im holding out hope blizzard will make it good again somehow

But I may be overestimating blizz

Which is highly out of character for me

This just seems so obviously fucked that I assume they'll have to address it

[severe helm]

I think meld will still be strong for outlaw/assa

Since they just don't have access to cheap otherwise

[outer sky]

Def for assa. Cheap plus another window to spam garrote silences

Im amazed spammable garrote silence survived the CC pruning

[severe helm]

Yeah honestly

Prob cuz the effort they put into rogue is so minimal

It's just random changes made by an intern probably

[outer sky]

I think if somebody shows up to work drunk they just make them spend the day working on rogues in pvp

[stoic spruce]

And then outlaw with only the best slow

That amounts to nothing

[outer sky]

This 80% slow that hunters have literally 100% uptime on is unbelievably toxic

[severe helm]

That's hella annoying

What's that from

Wailing arrow?

That's dark ranger only right?

[halcyon timber]

Concussive shot

[outer sky]

Concussive shot

[severe helm]

It's 80% now?????

What the actual fuck are those dipshits thinking

[outer sky]

Yes and it lasts 6 seconds but has a 5 second cooldown

[halcyon timber]

Pvp talent + 3 pts in class tree no?

[severe helm]

Jfc

[stoic spruce]

100% uptime?

[outer sky]

Yes

I literally meant literally

Duration is longer than the CD

[stoic spruce]

Do they lose anything from pressing it?

[outer sky]

Just the global

[stoic spruce]

Dang

It's not that funny

Mewo

[outer sky]

Its laugh or cry these days tbh

[stoic spruce]

Usually classes have a trade-off for something like that

[severe helm]

Silly boy

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw had the best slow and all they had to do was their rotation

Until the fire nation attacked

[outer sky]

80%

100% uptime

Crazy

[severe helm]

Was it stronger than the others?

Didn't all specs have 70% crippling

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Stacked with pistol shot

[severe helm]

Wat

Slows don't stack

[outer sky]

Its whichever one is a bigger slow

[severe helm]

Yeup

[outer sky]

Is the one that applies

[stoic spruce]

Wait no

[severe helm]

Ps could apply crippling

I think

[stoic spruce]

That's what I was thinking

[severe helm]

But it's slow didn't stack

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[severe helm]

But so could sub and assa at range

With their toss

[outer sky]

Assa's is guaranteed

[severe helm]

I think technically assa has the strongest slow in the game

[stoic spruce]

Right but that impedes their rotation

[severe helm]

Forget the name of the pvp talent

The one that stacks to 100%

If they keep trying to move

So fun to use on dumb players at low ratings

[outer sky]

It caps at 90%

[severe helm]

Ah still

Hilariously strong

[stoic spruce]

Doesn't matter anymore

[severe helm]

90% is ridiculously slow

[stoic spruce]

Trophy goes to hunters now

Is it all hunters?

[severe helm]

Well survival can't apply it ranged

Their slow is wing clip

Melee

Or can they spec into concussive

[outer sky]

Concussive shot replaces wing clip

[severe helm]

Ah thought they took that out for them

[stoic spruce]

That's what he SAID

[severe helm]

Oh well rip

[potent pivot]

didn't DK have one as strong

or somethin

[stoic spruce]

Yeah, costed a rune though

[severe helm]

I think chains as blood was 80%

[potent pivot]

there was one for death and decay too

[severe helm]

Oh true

Idk how big that one was

[stoic spruce]

30 I think

And then it degrades

[potent pivot]

i remember in TWW defile/DnD had a massive slow

[outer sky]

Btw the one youre thinking of is Creeping Venom

[potent pivot]

it felt like 90%

[severe helm]

Yeah I remember that but thought it was only 70% still

[potent pivot]

ah

[severe helm]

Just aoe 70

[severe helm]

That's the name couldn't remember haha

[outer sky]

Think it was 90% degrading by 10% every second

[stoic spruce]

Can we see ability uptime yet?

Damn

[severe helm]

Silly silly boy

[potent pivot]

they still fucking have it

[severe helm]

Maybe next xpac

[potent pivot]

btw

btw

i knew it

[severe helm]

Sheeeeeesh

Big

[stoic spruce]

Awesome

[outer sky]

You trying to gain some sort of unfair advantage or something?

[stoic spruce]

That's so cool

[potent pivot]

30% my ass @stoic spruce over here with the misinformation about his class

[stoic spruce]

I had to talent out of it

[potent pivot]

why did they get rid of defile

[spring bough]

An imposter

[stoic spruce]

To get rid of use cases for dnd

[potent pivot]

wdym

[stoic spruce]

For dps

Dps DKs don't use DnD rotationally anymore

At all

[potent pivot]

wtf

[outer sky]

I dont even think 90% slows should even be in the game. Like at that point its basically just a root that doesn't DR

[stoic spruce]

Unholy actually can have it replaced

[potent pivot]

they removed the haste from it?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

It's just a haste talent now lol

[potent pivot]

what dumbass shit

[stoic spruce]

Well blood still uses it

[potent pivot]

dk not using dnd is insane

[stoic spruce]

Absolutely

[stoic spruce]

I have to agree tbh

[potent pivot]

does blood still have that little red thing they use to pull packs

[stoic spruce]

Little red thing

[outer sky]

Blood boil

[stoic spruce]

Blood boil?

Yeah

Deathbringer turns it blue :)

[severe helm]

I love it

Such a clunky spell

[potent pivot]

wtf blood has abom limb

[severe helm]

Gorefiends?

[potent pivot]

and an empowered spell????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[stoic spruce]

Only pulls and it's a choice ode

[severe helm]

It does?

[stoic spruce]

With gf

Yeah

[severe helm]

I was just playing blood

[stoic spruce]

Consumption

[severe helm]

I didn't see an empower haha

[stoic spruce]

It's actually sick

[severe helm]

Sounds fun

[stoic spruce]

I haven't played it since beta but it was fun then

[severe helm]

Blood honestly felt very similar

To tww

[stoic spruce]

I don't like the lack of bonestorm and cdr

[potent pivot]

i'm not seeing the little red thingy from blood boil

[halcyon timber]

Doesn’t dnd apply a ms / absorb now by pvp talent + the putrefy absorbs where dk could use both charges though? I wonder if the horseman dnd also accounts for a 3rd absorb / ms

[stoic spruce]

Ohhhh

Deaths Caress

[rough rock]

You’re talking about the ranged ability that shoots out 2 red dots?

[potent pivot]

yessssss

[severe helm]

That's still there

[potent pivot]

idk why but i've always loved the look of that animation lol

[severe helm]

That's how you pull

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I like it as well

[severe helm]

Gives you bone shield stacks

[stoic spruce]

Best BS generator global for global if you play sanlayn

Which idk if they do

They might be DB gamers actually

Deathbringer*

[outer sky]

Wait wtf are you telling me they STILL haven't fixed the Shado-Pan Brawl so that people can actually queue for it? This was a bug all last xpac too. Why even bother designing the brawl and putting it in the rotation if they dont care if anyone is actually able to play it?????

[stoic spruce]

Is that the one you can't queue with a party?

[outer sky]

I cant even queue it solo

[stoic spruce]

[potent pivot]

i think u have to q as a full party

[stoic spruce]

This fall off needs to be studied

[potent pivot]

5

[outer sky]

This is so fried lmfao

[stoic spruce]

I'm just gonna be a hunter main and farm pets

Target audience anyway

[potent pivot]

blood dk has to be the only cool tank spec ngl

[outer sky]

Wish they didnt force you to be BM to tame the cool pets

[stoic spruce]

Prot warr is cool but yeah bdk takes the cake

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that's lame

[outer sky]

My wife plays BM hunter and she wants to try MM but she cant bring herself to do it because she wouldn't get to use her spirit beast

She loves that pet

[stoic spruce]

Saying this pissed me off lol

We should've gatekept harder

[latent patrol]

pets are sick though

[stoic spruce]

They are

They're soooo cool when they're used

And not as another number

[outer sky]

Eventually they'll probably make it so that you can just choose which pet abilities you want your pet to have and make the actual pets themselves just skins

[stoic spruce]

The moment a dinosaur throws a banana I'm buying a ticket and I'm picketing blizz hq

They got AI writing the dev posts, therapy sessions cranked to 11, wild utility gaps between specs, Pixar animators making cinematics. What are we doing?? Lmaooo

[outer sky]

Shaman? Leather?

[stoic spruce]

Chain not mail

[outer sky]

They also forgot druids

[stoic spruce]

This might have been the straw ngl lol

[potent pivot]

Pixar animators?

how dare you disrespect Pixar animators like that

they got interns and AI making cinematics

[stoic spruce]

They deserve it

Their shit SUCKS

And I participated in a marathon so I know

[potent pivot]

wait pet battles are gone?

[stoic spruce]

Last good movie was 2017

[potent pivot]

LMAO

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

I'm telling you

[warped gate]

They're still around, but they're not adding to it anymore.

Any new pets introduced can't even battle.

[potent pivot]

wait

dragon riding races are gone too???????

[outer sky]

Yep

[potent pivot]

wtf are they doing

[warped gate]

Why would they get rid of those? That's like.. they're new thing now.

[stoic spruce]

This

[warped gate]

They even give us fucking flying at the start of the expansion now.
WHICH I HATE. >:(

[potent pivot]

i imagine they dropped pet battles and races to put more people on housing

And prop hunt

[stoic spruce]

I won't hate prop hunt, I like prop hunt

[latent patrol]

i mean they dropped pet battles bc no one does pet battles

[potent pivot]

Cap

[warped gate]

.. I did Pet Battles.

[stoic spruce]

Same

[potent pivot]

Casuals love that stuff fr

[outer sky]

There are some people who played the game just for that

[stoic spruce]

My brother

[latent patrol]

clearly not enough to warrant keeping it around

[warped gate]

The post opposing them getting rid of it is one of the most liked posts on the forums.

[potent pivot]

I remember Nessper always did pet battles between queues

[warped gate]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-heartfelt-message-from-xu-fu’s-pet-guides-on-the-upcoming-midnight-changes/2179257

[latent patrol]

if they thought pet battles kept a reasonable amount of people playing the game they wouldve left them in

[warped gate]

1,706 likes.

[latent patrol]

it wasnt worth the time spent on them

so they stopped

1706 likes is such an insanely tiny amount of the playerbase

[warped gate]

How much time does it reasonable need?

[latent patrol]

more than they were willing to put into it

[warped gate]

You give the same moves you've been giving pets for years to the new pets, and call it a day.

Level cap's been 25 since release.

[latent patrol]

do note that im not saying it was right to remove pet battles

i'll never advocate for content people enjoy being removed

but clearly it was not popular enough to warrant putting time into

[potent pivot]

That’s a lot of likes for wow forums tho tbh

[latent patrol]

and the wow forums is already a miniscule fraction of the playerbase

[potent pivot]

Not getting the point

[latent patrol]

i think you might not be

[outer sky]

Its you this time

[latent patrol]

doesnt matter how popular pet battles were with the tiny minority of players that use the forums, it matters how popular they were with the entire playerbase

literally every single person who uses the forums couldve been an avid pet battler and it wouldnt budge any decision of blizzards

[stoic spruce]

They really should add a voting system on bnet for this sort of thing

Or in-game

[potent pivot]

That many likes in a small sample size like the wow forums means it’s a larger amount outside of the forums

[outer sky]

The point is, not everyone who enjoys pet battles is on the forums. Of those that are, not all of them saw that post. Of those that did, not all of them bothered to heart it. So those 1706 likes can be extrapolated to imply a non trivial amount of wow players agree

[latent patrol]

except the type of players who care about wow strongly enough to use the forums already creates a strongly biased test group

[potent pivot]

I don’t even care about pet battles in the slightest so I get where you’re coming from, but I do think it’s crazy to get rid of something that easy to make that I know a lot of people enjoyed

[latent patrol]

it isnt an accurate representation of the average player

[warped gate]

Bruh, why is this your hill to die on?

[latent patrol]

like i said before, i absolutely do not agree with it being removed

but its pretty obvious it wasnt popular enough to stay around

like how can this even be an argument

[warped gate]

Then why are you arguing the point?

Obviously we know Pet Battling was niche.

[latent patrol]

because thats not the point im arguing

[outer sky]

Blizzard making a poor decision for their playerbase? Impossible

[stoic spruce]

Pet dungeon believers in shambles rn

[potent pivot]

Next we’ll be accepting the removal of pvp

[stoic spruce]

Based

[latent patrol]

well

[potent pivot]

[latent patrol]

we can hope

finally the last straw to let popo move on in life

to better things

[warped gate]

PvE'ers been saying that for the longest time, and we all know who Blizzy's favorite child is.

[outer sky]

Just get rid of pet battles, pvp, raids, mythic plus, and put all that saved effort into housing

[stoic spruce]

Fat chance

I'd just pve

[latent patrol]

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Ikr

[potent pivot]

I’d quit so fast

[stoic spruce]

I'd get lazy for sure

[potent pivot]

Even pvp barely keeps me around these days

[warped gate]

If my only option was to do PvE, I'd just go back to FF14.

[stoic spruce]

PvP is where the dopamine is

"omg I hit dodged the circle on the ground and got CE" fuck that and fuck you. Now watch me lock down this team while my warlock goes in for the kill.

[severe helm]

I think the argument is that the cost of keeping it is so low that even the most miniscule amount of popularity makes it worth

Since its just so insanely low effort

[stoic spruce]

How do you even capture new pets?

[latent patrol]

you just click on them

[stoic spruce]

[latent patrol]

[stoic spruce]

Dumbed down just like the rest of the game

[latent patrol]

ok but if you move it interrupts the cast

or get into combat

[stoic spruce]

Oh excuse me

[latent patrol]

so theres some skill expression there

and then if you get into combat you might accidentally kill the pet

[stoic spruce]

I really wish my achievements in classic felt better than they do on retail, otherwise I'd swap

I played through every expansion and mop just feels so been there done that

[vocal surge]

Me on my way to lockdown an objective 1v1 back to back 5 times while my team fights mid

[stoic spruce]

Average wow bg experience

[outer sky]

Had a blitz game last season where my team was like 6v1ing a warlock in mid (and losing) while the EFC just prances by in travel form

[warped gate]

omg we just lost to bots

[outer sky]

No way

[warped gate]

They deadass just gave us a team with no healers.

[outer sky]

Is that even possible i didnt think it was

[warped gate]

I went to defend LM because I just wanted to beat dudes up with my brain off while I watched YouTube in the second monitor.

And we kept losing nodes.

And then bots showed up, I called it out, and fought the bots.

And then they'd just come back like:

And then I realized we had literally, quite literally, zero healers.

They would take something and it'd be impossible to take it back because they'd just b-line back and get us on the round two.

Then we got a healer so I'm like okay, this is gonna be hard, but let's clutch this shit out.

Went to take back Stables and—

[outer sky]

Wait are you the worgen rogue?

[warped gate]

Did you him fucking up somewhere? Because if so, no.

But if not, then yeah.

[outer sky]

Lol no

I just dont meet too many fellow furries

[warped gate]

"this guy saps your healer what you gonna do"

I recognize that name from that topic.

[outer sky]

I was drunk when I posted that lmfao

[warped gate]

I just really fucks with Worgen as a whole.

Any class that can be one is one.

It's not much, but I just love the novelty of being able to transform in a human and just be a badass werewolf while fighting.

I've had J as my turn-back-human bind since Cataclysm.

I don't even use that passive they gave to auto turn back because no, I want to do it!

[outer sky]

I have 4 rogues, 3 are nelf, one is a fox, But i may race change one nelf to orc. I only made the fox because I couldn't decide what to use my free level 80 boost I got from pre-ordering Midnight on. And in the past whenever ive boosted a toon that wasnt a rogue I abandoned it. So I just made a 4th rogue and made him a vulpera named slylie coyote for the memes. Like imagine getting fucked up by this dude in an arena at glad rating lol, lmao even

[warped gate]

It's a good name.

When I first started playing WoW I didn't like how the humans looked, so I liked playing Night Elf, Draenei, basically anything but Human. But once the badass werewolves showed up, I was able to tolerate it a little bit more.

Then as time went on the customization got good enough to where I actually liked the way my human looked.

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-dead-undead-surprised-boo-gif-16602292

[outer sky]

I always thought the idea of playing something like Human rogue, especially human outlaw rogue in a fantasy game like this was funny. Like, in a game where you can be a werewolf, a goblin, a zombie, a goat themed alien, etc you chose to be a human. And when you could have been a demon summoning dark wizard, a shapeshifting master of nature, a flying godzilla dragon, etc you chose to be a pirate

So youre a human pirate

Basically youre a Somalian

[vocal surge]

Didn't have to shoot at me xD

[outer sky]

In a fantasy game

[rough rock]

😭

[outer sky]

I mean its true lmfao youre a human pirate

You can be that irl lol

[warped gate]

Yeah, but I won't be fighting dragons and stuff in real life, so the fantasy works.

[outer sky]

This is true

Killing a legendary dragon god thing by shooting him in the head with a flintlock pistol

Gotta love it

[vocal surge]

When we fighting?

[warped gate]

If it wasn't for LFR, my guy would've just been a random soldier for the Alliance, getting cucked in Arathi Basin and Warsong Gulch for the majority of his days.

[vocal surge]

F

[warped gate]

Same for Solo Shuffle, because I did not care enough to scoop two dudes to regularly play to climb once they took the weapons out of it.

Rated Battlegrounds were fun, I did that to climb but once I hit Grand Marshal, I kinda lost interest to do anything besides the bare minimum for Conquest, especially for all the work it required.

[outer sky]

People shit hard on shuffle and I get why but I got my first gladiator ever in S1 of TWW and proceeded to keep getting it every season last xpac with plenty of time to spare and I really dont think i could have done that without being able to spam shuffle to practice

[warped gate]

So now it's just sit in Goldshire and queue for Shuffle. Questing with the thrill of random WPvP happening is kinda cool too, can't get that from FF14.

[warped gate]

Nice, that's what's up.

I like the idea of just playing with such a wide variety of folks each queue.

Sucks when you're the dog of the lobby though.

[outer sky]

Yeah sometimes you just get one of those lobbies

[vocal surge]

Real

[outer sky]

Frost mage/ret/MM hunter double Hpal

And you just know your only chance of winning is if the hunter one shots the mage while hes on your team

[warped gate]

I genuinely do not understand where the Unrated Solo Shuffle is pre-season. Arena 2v2 is fun and all, until there's a Guardian on the other team, or a 3-stack.

Or the dude in last expansion's equipment on your team.

[outer sky]

Yeah idk why they dont add shuffle skirms.

[outer sky]

This is the worst

[warped gate]

Like my guy, why? The questing greens was better than that two levels in.

[outer sky]

Its such an obvious design flaw

Ive been in 2700 lobbies where one player was 0 cr in full honor gear while the rest of us are all fully geared with bis gems and enchants

And its the WORST when the undergeared dude is one of the healers omg

Theres just nothing you can do

Automatic 3-3 for all the dps

[stoic spruce]

Shuffle is just rated skirms

[outer sky]

I mean without the rating

For more honor

[stoic spruce]

Only difference is a queue between each round

[outer sky]

To queue during off season

[stoic spruce]

How long are skirm queues actually?

My last skirm was DF lol

[jolly sierra]

like 2-5m

[outer sky]

Depends. Anywhere from 1-5 minutes usually

[stoic spruce]

That's hilarious

[outer sky]

Usually 2-4

[stoic spruce]

I really don't believe they're worth in any capacity. Even that weekly I don't think it's worth.

[outer sky]

They're not efficient but I enjoy them more than random BGs

I cant stand random BGs

I like blitz

And I like 10 man

But not the randoms

Theyre so boring

[warped gate]

Ahhh man, it's wild. I like those little bits of comaradare of talking shit about the guy when he's not in the lobby. Or telling someone that ____ is talking shit about him and mad when he's on the other team to stoke the fire.

OR!!!

Just my luck! He turns the swag on somehow on the enemy team and I go 2-4.

[outer sky]

This is a classic

[warped gate]

Or turns the swag off on my team. Like a fucking Ret/Mage that's a golden fucking GOD, we're out the gate, and he gets down-goes-venruki'd before he even hits Bubble/Ice Block.

I feel it more with the Mage because Rets hit hard, but Mages just make me feel like I'm going through the worst day of my life with all that CC.

[outer sky]

Theyre both aids to fight but I think ret is definitely the more busted of the 2

I can sometimes forgive when my pally dies without bubbling because bubble is on the GCD. Ice Block is not. There is no excuse for dying without pressing that

[warped gate]

https://youtu.be/JU1O5PxNq-k

||How the fuck did the healer outdamage us ALL?!||

[outer sky]

Hell yeah

Yesterday I had an 8 minute long 3v3 skirm

I won

Thankfully

Losing games that long feels so bad

[warped gate]

That sounds like one I had I guess technically yesterday but it was damn near midnight.

Thank goodness I won because it was one of those, "I CAN'T GO OUT ON A LOSS~" games, and it was like the 4th one.

And I was already five minutes late.

[stoic spruce]

Winning feels just as bad lowkey

Bad vibes all around

[outer sky]

Yeah lol an 8m skirm never feels good

[stoic spruce]

I just get relieved it's over, not that I actually won.

[warped gate]

I feel you. At a certain point I'm like dude, I don't even care anymore, but I don't wanna be the one to fuck it up for everyone else that still does.

Lost one of those yesterday too.

Had a fucking Guardian who decided to keep swapping targets.

[outer sky]

Yeah it happens

[warped gate]

Ended up dying, and stayed in the lobby for another minute until I was like bro, I don't care for the honor I'd get if I win and left.

[stoic spruce]

Double rogue in 2s I just leave

Can have that shit lol. Only goes one of two ways and neither me involve winning

[vocal surge]

🤦‍♂️

[ivory thicket]

pvp sub rogue stats?

haste ver or mast ver

honour gear

[jolly sierra]

"high" level for average player xd

[vocal surge]

I was wondering if he's serious or not till I saw that rating

[jolly sierra]

i think was dead serious

who would know his rating lol

[potent pivot]

Both

Haste to ~18% then vers/mast

[brave estuary]

should i save my honor for next week or spend on gear this week?

is the only diff gear next week the heraldry gear?

i never really pvped so dont know what u do

[potent pivot]

next week we start getting bloody tokens and conquest currencies to spend on better gear

honor gear is kinda w/e, you can just spend it and use the honor vendor gear or craft some tweaks

honor generally comes in abundance once you start playing rated, so replacing vendor gear with crafted isn't really an issue

[warped gate]

omg, he actually got a rez off and we won

The rez bait almost never works, it's just bait because no one actually lets it happen, but the Ret wasn't paying attention I guess.

[warped gate]

How do dudes have sets of WPvP gear already?

Sets meaning they got enough to actually have set bonuses and stuff.

[potent pivot]

its worse ilvl than honor gear from WQs

[warped gate]

Ahhhhh.

Thanks.

[potent pivot]

for some reason i see a lot of people asking if those bonuses will work in arena/BGs

when the tooltip plainly says "in War Mode"

[jolly sierra]

for dragonflight that was a very common question fuuck

tbh i thought it would work and tried to use it alongside tier lol

[potent pivot]

yeah its every new expansion i swear lool

i guess just new/returning players don't know any better maybe

[jolly sierra]

nah the set bonuses and wpvp gear was just from DF

but TWW gear lacked that bonuses tho

[brave estuary]

is there any like guides that show all other classes abilitys and stuff to look out for?

dw i fount it what i was looking for with https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/this-pvp-cheat-sheet-might-save-you-when-midnight-launches/

[potent pivot]

holy shit

i guess i have to raid this season

[potent pivot]

i cannot recommend this website for rogue pvp anymore

the very basic stuff like that might be fine

[brave estuary]

do u have any recommendations to read for a new to pvp rogue player (well i havent pvped since wotlk or so)

[potent pivot]

there's not much available these days

[brave estuary]

ah ok

[potent pivot]

you can basically just learn the pve rotation

then practice using CC and pvping in general

[brave estuary]

ya ok.. i used to just duel and watch videos back then

i was never really great at pvp tho

[warped gate]

A true Roll of the Bones.

I genuinely wish you could blacklist battlegrounds again.

If I could go another day without seeing Ashran, WINTERGRASP, .. well, that's it really, but if I could go another day without seeing those, I'd die happy.

I used to hate Kotmogu too, but I warmed up to it.

Still the most anti-hype regular BG though.

[spring bough]

These are the best warglaives since warglaives

I’m 1000% raiding on the DH for them…. Best part? It’s the same skin for every difficulty level

[gilded gulch]

Probably the best skin since legion.

Nothing will top flamereaper though.

[potent pivot]

best glaives since tbc

[gilded gulch]

I mean i've had moggable azzinoth since 2017.

The low poly kills them for me

[potent pivot]

they are still the best/most iconic shits in the game

[gilded gulch]

kind of?

I can't stand pre mop gear due to low res

overall

[spring bough]

They need to let rogues mog warglaives again

And idk if I’d ever play another class if I could do that lol

The shadowlands blue tint illusion on them makes them look incredible too

[gilded gulch]

I still prefer these

like 99% of the time

[potent pivot]

Meh

Lame

[gilded gulch]

wild hunt?

idk how that matches azzinoth

[spring bough]

I think it’s like winter chill or something it was the illusion from the SL heroic pack

[gilded gulch]

that's wraithchill

i think i have them saved with the bod mythic set back then

[spring bough]

Yeah that one. I use that when I do blueish / white color mogs and it looks so good w them on the DH

[gilded gulch]

they're too big overall ehh

[spring bough]

All white sentinel set plus wraithchill on warglaives is what my DH usually rocks lol

[gilded gulch]

i think im mogged into a mix of 3-4 dh sets that are red/green

with flamereaper

[spring bough]

The new legion fel illusion goes pretty well with a bunch of warglaives

[gilded gulch]

Yeah that one specifically

or just t3 rogue

[spring bough]

I may have that setup on the DH and I pretend it’s a rogue 😂

[gilded gulch]

rogue doesnt use glaives though

[spring bough]

Ik. I mog t3 on my DH w glaives and pretend it’s my rogue lol

[gilded gulch]

also likely biased since i think

combat was a stupid spec

glad it got axed for outlaw

[dark kernel]

I wanted to finish my T3 but of course I ended up making no money this xpac

Very cool

[gilded gulch]

fuck i think that video got deleted

making fun of the wod s1 rogues who got their rating off abusing shadow reflection kspree

[gilded gulch]

Just buy it in wod where it was like 10k a piece

i swear 90% of people didnt know where the bmah was

[potent pivot]

And the game was just dead

[gilded gulch]

i bought some t3 in tww its not that expensive nowadays

like 100-200k a piece

[dark kernel]

It's a server wide AH lol

I don't have characters with gold on dead servers I know that's usually the play

[potent pivot]

you can make t3 now

[dark kernel]

Yeah I know. It's just very expensive

[gilded gulch]

it really doesnt matter nowadays i bought a few items last expac

they were like at most 200k

[dark kernel]

I'm 5 piece. I only need the 3 bigs. Helm/cheat/pants. To craft each piece is an insane 560K

[gilded gulch]

because the craft sets the cap kind of

no one with a brain pays more than the mat price

[dark kernel]

I legit have the epic helm and chest base in my bank

But I'm not about to drop 80$ on tokens to get them

[gilded gulch]

[potent pivot]

if you have to buy anything off the regular AH you can make literal level 1 toons on different realms

[gilded gulch]

idk i've seen the rogue pieces go for like 100k on bmah on a max pop realm

unless its warrior t3 no one cares

from what i've seen

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

I know but you have to get gold transferred. I'm assuming warband works xrealm for gold now

[potent pivot]

yeee

[dark kernel]

I could park some toons in just need a mage to port the level 1s

Not a bad idea

[potent pivot]

i went and bought a weapon for 4k last night on a random ass realm

it was 50k on mine

[dark kernel]

Where is the new BMaH now

Silvermoon?

I could just make a BE I guess lol

[potent pivot]

no idea

bmah requires max lvl

[dark kernel]

Oh

Then this is absolutely useless

[spring bough]

Warband bank for moving t3 items and gold 🔥

Just craft it cheapest route

[dark kernel]

I'm not leveling characters to 90 on dead realms for this fuck it

[dark kernel]

I need $120 in token gold and I do not have that to blow on a game rn LOL

[spring bough]

I spent like 3 mil gold getting tier 3 back in dragon flight lol

[gilded gulch]

bmah has required max level since mid sl

the npc wont talk to you otherwise

[potent pivot]

I said for regular AH

[gilded gulch]

also ngl there is no reason to not play on smaller realms

nowadays

[spring bough]

Just find the realms w the cheapest tier 3 items on the regular AH

[dark kernel]

The BMAh is in murder row of Silvermoon btw

It's a panda male

[spring bough]

And use warband bank to xfer gold and the items back

[gilded gulch]

sl was prob the most expensive the bmah has gotten

[quaint cedar]

For outlaw, is ADR still affected by haste? The tooltip doesn't say. How much haste are we targeting now?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

And as much as you can get but around 20% seems adequate

[spring bough]

I think the 0.8s global is at 20.5 haste or so same as it was for TWW

I got to 25% at PvP ilvl and it feels great

[quaint cedar]

Ok, thanks. What did you put the remaining stats into?

[spring bough]

Crit/verse

[quaint cedar]

Yeah makes sense. I thought we might go mastery because it got buffed but we have a lot of talents that interact with crit

[spring bough]

Feel like crit is the way to go

Think my stats look like 19 crit/25 haste/25 verse just around

[quaint cedar]

I'm still gearing up. I only hit 90 a few days ago. I've just been buying haste pieces for now.

[spring bough]

When we get those PvP craft items for the season. Think I’m doing amulets with all haste/verse lol

[quaint cedar]

So far outlaw feels okay? It's weird. Every pvp tier list has us at the very bottom. But it really doesn't feel that bad to me.

[spring bough]

It feels pretty damn good

[quaint cedar]

Yeah... I'm trying to decide if I'm coping or if outlaw is sleeper

Damage seems good and utility took a hit but with overall pruning we're still ahead of a lot of classes

[jolly sierra]

for my classic server it is probably the best idea ever

ive got like 2 tier 3 by bidding alone in a locked server as i was time before it was closed

and an onyxian drake

[strange trellis]

I like seeing people populating Stormwind and some zones outside of current expansion zones. Holiday events are both a lot of fun to see but can also be a nightmare in terms of lag lol

[stoic spruce]

Everyone will be playing sub so no one will have any idea how to counter Outlaw lol

[gleaming sentinel]

just a couple small tweaks away from being very strong imo

[spring bough]

Just gonna brawl in peoples faces all season and make them beat me

And just wait for that sweet ADR into gravedigger ace procs into prep ADR into more gravedigger ace procs

I might honestly try the M+ build in BGs and see how that does with KIR. Could be pretty decent not gonna lie. But no prep with that build

Would have to do 1/2 dispatcher to pickup prep with it

[quaint cedar]

lol yeah aside from myself I haven't seen a single rogue in a BG that wasn't sub

[spring bough]

I been thinking of a gnome outlaw for midnight… 1% haste racial and 5 extra energy with the root/slow break on 1min CD that doesn’t trigger medallion

Seems like a good route to go tbh

[quaint cedar]

Probably not bad. At least we don't get punished as bad for not being nelf anymore now that crackshot is gone

I still miss old maneuverability

[muted abyss]

still stacking haste for outlaw?

[spring bough]

Gnome racial is basically that lol

[spring bough]

Yeah prob need at least 20%

[quaint cedar]

Yeah but then you gotta be a gnome lol

[muted abyss]

aight, guess I'll grind for a haste honor set too

[proven field]

As the only assa rogue I ran into another one today and we just stared at each other in awe … then I murdered him viciously because.. I’m a rogue

I don’t think I’ve seen a single outlaw though, and only the one other assa.. most BGs are 2-3 priests, 1-2 MW, 1-2 GD, 2-4 rets, 1 sub and… last one rotates between UH, balance, random fury war or 1-2 locks

Oh hunter sometimes as well, not much else

[quaint cedar]

I've seen a couple of outlaws in wpvp but that's it. I don't think I've seen a single assa so far.

I see rets everywhere though

Pruning must have hit hunters hard because there's not nearly as many as there used to be

BGs have been infested with them the last two expansions

[spring bough]

I only see survival ones

[proven field]

It’s too bad surv is so good now because man is it boring to play after the pruning

[wise sequoia]

Losing scatter and root and knockback is a bit rough for sure. And much slower aimed shots now.

But got improved roots (strongest in game with 100% uptime and is physical) and a near 2s immunity every 20s which is honestly OP.

[spring bough]

AoE intimidation now too

[wise sequoia]

Its only 1s duration in AOE though?

Rather have shorter CD than aoe stun I think

[dark kernel]

High mountain ain't bad the charge is a mobility spell

Gnome I'd say way more fun

[spring bough]

And a stun

[dark kernel]

Yeah but it's like....2 seconds?

I sometimes use it if I get a triple and it doesn't fudge DRs

[proven field]

DI free cloak is lit

[jaunty osprey]

Same, give us a freedom back, please 😭

Sprint doesn’t do anything when you have a 70% slow on you

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-tries-very-hard-reaching-star-wars-gif-17314555

Me trying to hit frost mages

[spring bough]

Bout to reroll gnome to have one 😭

[hidden moth]

Okay

I somewhat forgive blizz for assa

Bc holy fuck

Dev dh is so fucking fun in pvp

I hear the keyboard slamming as I get like 5% hp during a eye beam and jump back up when I collect souls

And the amount of kiting I’m doing on melee is gross

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s a good time ngl lol

Hitting that demon form and being able to get to 3 or 4 collapsing stars feels OP asf

[spring bough]

Did you add the /stopmacro [channeling:Void Ray] do your consume/reap macros? Makes spamming even easier lol

[hidden moth]

Nah don’t have one for void ray

But tbh not really wanting to cancel it

Since so many talents require u to full channel it like eradicate and the 300% dam talent

Though I need a cancel cast bind so consume isn’t kicked

[spring bough]

It doesn’t cancel it

Add that line to ur consume and reap macros

It won’t cast those spells until void ray is done casting

Then when u spam reap it’ll auto eradicate the split second void ray is done casting. It feels like cheating lol

[wise sequoia]

You know you can just add [nochanneling] to your cast macros right? Instead of /stopmacro

[spring bough]

That’s the one wowhead is advertising in their macro section on Devourer. It works well

[hidden moth]

Oh shit

Send me those in dms if u don’t mind

That’s hella cheese

[spring bough]

When was the last time yall visited ur house?

Feel like I haven’t been there since prepatch lol

[grave basin]

Old maneuverability + duel + physical cloak

Look at what they took from us

[spring bough]

RIP physical cloak

I would do unheard of things for the 8yard range and the 11 yard range with flurry up to be back

[proven field]

I made it to the neighborhood with once; got overwhelmed and never went back

[dark moon]

In January

I even got housing level 7 and just cba.

[spring bough]

I’m still on level 5….. I’m not going back till I max it out which will be like a year from now lmao

[muted abyss]

during early access for it, haven't been back since. Honeslty the worst main feature of an expansion ever imo

other than flying in TBC

[severe helm]

truuuu

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m on housing strike. Cash shop pissed me off lol

[wise sequoia]

I’m on a housing strike. Housing pissed me off lol

Maybe I will visit when I get a house in real life

[dark moon]

I leveled it with endeavours autocompleting while playing the game

[dark moon]

Why? It was revealed it would have a cash shop.

That's the point if it

[hidden moth]

Haven’t went since the first day of it being out, I fucked with hit found out I have to do quests and farm gold for the shit and dipped tf out (also couldn’t leave arena if u qued into the match while in a house)

[gleaming sentinel]

Not even a week into the expac they dropped a package more expensive than the expansion lol

With stuff you can’t get in game

[hidden moth]

U can get it in game

Farm gold

Buy tokens

Trade for blizzz cash

Buy it that way

[wise sequoia]

Lots of people expected blizzard to honor their promises.

• cash shop exclusives would be transparently priced without predatory bundling
• no fomo
• no core theme specifics that are unobtainable in game
  Ect.

Instead they seem to be breaking all their promises right away, which some people don’t like.

But yeah … it was always the point.

Why spend resources on making a better game, when you can instead hire a business bro to tell you that a new cash shop mount will make millions and take less time than quality improvements.

[gleaming sentinel]

Dropping the cash shop item before any sort of tuning or fixing any of their bugs or typos

Like idk man

[hidden moth]

Wow all these complaints due to the housing system

If only someone (me) could have predicted it to be dog shit and an excuse for blizzard to focus on something else other than actual gameplay

[gleaming sentinel]

Someone give this guy a medal or whatever

[jolly sierra]

at least pokemon company doesnt owns wow

could be worse

[proven field]

Blizz just watching how much epic makes with Fortnite on top of crew and going “why aren’t we doing this too”

The rub really though is they are turning into marketplace platform which is fine, but they still charge a mandatory monthly fee AND we have to pay for expansions… the triple dip is rightfully infuriating

And I mean we are mainly all PvPers, we play for competition and our reward circuit is largely accolades and rating.. imagine being PVE-only where a big chunk is exclusivity in items and skins and now just.. having a huge chunk of that firewalled onto a cash shop

[jolly sierra]

glad we dont have a paywall in front

[tidal snow]

Im having such a blast with hunter right now xD

[cobalt vector]

What spec? Im still salty about what they did to survival, but I suppose I should level up my hunter next

[molten hedge]

I’m picking up LW this ssn. Maybe even JC so I can make all my own gear

I recently learned I tip way too much lmao so it’ll save a lot of gold. I’d tip like 3-5k depending on how fast I wanted it lol

[cobalt vector]

I’ve been contemplating picking up JC or Alchemy, but I have no idea how the crafting system works nowadays since I usually just mine and herb

[dark moon]

Thats a player base issue

[dark moon]

You living under a rock? They've been breaking their promises left and right. Their word means nothing

All in the name of greed. Im surprised the players are continuing to buy shop stuff

This is support in blizzard's eyes, so we got housing currently and they are limit testing what they canget away with

So tune in for more fomo/outrageous shit like this

[wise sequoia]

Noo waayyy.

They would never!