pvp

[sharp sierra]

[pastel burrow]

They're gaslighting you

Changed it when you looked away

[gusty hedge]

#pvp message
😂
this was before i was playing with that six bullet up my sleeve

[outer sky]

And also back then hunter misdirect didnt redirect threat from the hunters pet and only BM was considered viable so their misdirect was basically useless. Rogue tricks was wanted for aggro and for cheesing mob mechanics

[sharp sierra]

lmaooo figure some of the builds were not updated right

id be okay dropping loaded dice for that audcity ig but idk about losing prep or blade rush when 2 set with give it more damage

for the HO talent just doesnt seem worth but idk maybe its hitting hard

[vocal surge]

When we dueling?

for testing fun stuff

[sharp sierra]

lmaooo id be down tomorrow

geared sub first in case theres zero outlaw buffs and sub magically makes it through so finishing uop honor farm tomorrow

[gusty hedge]

it feels good to press but damage ain't there tbh. i wanna test more outlaw tomorrow. finish lvling my hunt then lvl my OG Rogue (4th Midnight Rogue)

[outer sky]

Holy shit I got curious so I went back and looked and it was even worse than I thought

For keys level 20+ in BFA S2 and S3 Outlaw was the single most popular spec in the game, including all roles. Melee, ranged, healer, tank

[potent pivot]

that was a tuning thing was it not'

ppl ran triple outlaw in a bfa season

wasn't becasue of "utility"

[outer sky]

In season 2. Their damage took a shit. In the other seasons it was utility

It was still utility in s2

They just also had high damage

So you could run 3 and be fine

That stupid maggot in underrot

Only outlaw could keep it from casting on its own so you'd have to babysit it the whole time

You'd learn the fancy shroud where you have to sap dudes in stealth during the shroud

In temple of seth

Vanish mechanics like in Kings Rest to dispel the fear adds and not pull every mob

Locking down the one shotting goblins in Motherlode

The biggest things were shroud and being able to solo lock down a mob.

[sharp sierra]

I mean I’m new to outlaw anyways so not like I got rep to say what’s bad but idk I like blade rush and prep/KS. don’t really wanna drop it lmao

[sharp sierra]

This is pretty much like top end players right?

[outer sky]

Nah 20s weren't that high

I was doing 27s

Which was really high

Probably r1 range if they had it back then

20s were like

Weekly keys on a bad week

For us

I was cracked in M+ in bfa

[gusty hedge]

pretty spot on, wouldnt want to drop bR or Prep def a meme choice dropping prep Br is a nice gap closer and it does decent damage rn plus if times right in rotation you wont get energy starved too much. Ks is nice but its heavily nerfed and still has 3 min cd, i can see dropping that for something diff but not in all cases

[outer sky]

Playing the class with the highest utility was kinda nice and kinda shit at the same time because on 1 hand I could always find groups but on the other hand I had to handle all the sweat mechanics. And also since only outlaw could solo lock down mobs I HAD to play outlaw even though I didn't like it

And if you fucked up a utility mechanic you just felt like shit

Screwed up the shroud, failed whatever 200 IQ strat the tank was trying to do with tricks

Got caught on global and let a mob cast

Wiped everyone

Like basically if the key failed it was always your fault

Everyone else just did damage

In fact outlaws utility was so busted in bfa that it would finish the key at 2/3rds the dps of the fire mage and BM hunter and was STILL brought to every group

But thats not exactly "fun"

[sharp sierra]

Idk man I’ve always been a raging alt swapper with rogue always being home and prepatch was the first time I ever tried outlaw and it’s the first spec i genuinely fell in love with rotation wise. I have no idea why I feel like I can track the million buffs and could care less what I’m proccing with sub lol

I really hope they do something with it. Even if it’s just a flat out damage buff across the board

In prepatch I landed a grappling hook across the map to chase a kill and did a BTE mid grapple and that got me hooked lmao

[pastel burrow]

They need to buff the HO/ambush talents

I miss the multi hit ambushes that shit was slick

[gusty hedge]

unpopular opinion, they need to bring uhuh and crackshot back

[outer sky]

The playstyle was fun but also awkward. Outlaw being reliant on vanish for damage is weird

[gusty hedge]

it was! u get a cheap you get a cheap everyone gets a cheap and bte felt unstoppable once you got the rotation down. a true outlaw underhanded tactics tricking the enemy with dirty plays

[outer sky]

I didnt like that. You had to choose between damage and CC

Which is fine in general but when you only have a brief window it feels bad

[gusty hedge]

vanish came back so often never felt like it was a choice tbh the ace refunds were hitting, s3 was the best time with tier set, had some real burst with coins. also being nelf just made it so much easier for goes/ mini burst cc lockdowns.

[outer sky]

It was a choice every vanish

[stoic spruce]

S2

S3 was easily the worst version of crackshot outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Get this garbage out of this server

[potent pivot]

damn you must hate sub then

[stoic spruce]

Sub does both

Has done both

And will forever do both

[potent pivot]

you have to choose !

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I do

Because I don't play sub

[outer sky]

In some weird way having only 2 cheap shots makes it feel less bad. Especially with high dance up time. I do my 2 stuns thats it. You dont need to try and triple stun the whole team

What was the CD of vanish usually with restless blades?

Like 1m?

And crankshot was 6s?

[stoic spruce]

About 15

[outer sky]

15s crackshot?

[stoic spruce]

Pre crack it was like 40

Assuming correct play and decent rng

[outer sky]

40s vanish?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[outer sky]

And crackshot window was 6s every vanish?

[stoic spruce]

8

Duration got buffed in tww

[outer sky]

Ok I only played it in DF

[stoic spruce]

You didn't miss out

[outer sky]

But say 8s every 40s to do damage.

And during it you have to choose between damage and CC

Vs 2 shadow dances on a 20s CD each

Its just not comparable

[stoic spruce]

You didn't lose as much DMG CCing as much as people thought

You lost some sure but you could still keep up

While CCing

[outer sky]

Idk how the sims looked. But im sure for most people playing it, that definitely felt bad from a player experience perspective

[stoic spruce]

Not S3 though, DMG was just so bad it didn't matter. Which, btw, it's never been that bad.

You did dmg during KS but that was it

[outer sky]

But maybe not idk because honestly you, vancleef, verm, and servo are probably like half of all the outlaw players still maining it

Maybe Mewo

[stoic spruce]

They'd say the same thing

[outer sky]

Im sure

[stoic spruce]

But the first two seasons it could maintain CC and dmg

S3 just had no dmg to sustain

Imma go out on a limb and say it'll never be that bad again. Last season was purely an anomaly

Just skewing data fr

[outer sky]

It still doesnt seem like it has any damage. Idk maybe the very few outlaw rogues ive queued into this pre-season were just trash but I couldnt believe how not scary they were

[stoic spruce]

It was quite literally the worst it's ever been

Idk, I'm walking people down fine

Not fmage though

Not yet ...

[outer sky]

Its skirms so they could easily just be bad but man they did nothing

[stoic spruce]

A good outlaw is few and far between yeah

I haven't ran into a good DK in a very long time

Assa*

Idk why it said dk

DK too

[outer sky]

Whats funny is

Theres so many sub rogues rn

And I can tell

So easily

Who's a fotm reroller

And who's played the class for a while

[wheat shore]

What’s the method for farming honor on horde nowadays? Been constantly losing random bgs since War Within release, gets so old. Tempted to swap alliance

[potent pivot]

training grounds

they made comp stomp a permanent game mode and renamed it

[wheat shore]

Woah. Are the honor gains comparable to 50% win rate random bg?

[potent pivot]

its the fastest way to farm honor

~400 per game, ~1min queues, games don't take long

will only speed up as the season goes on and we get more gear

[wheat shore]

Really appreciate the info ❤️

[tardy jackal]

hi guys, I wanted to ask if anyone had good resources or advice on how to make outlaw work well in arenas? been having a hard time finding content or guides about how to be successful with it. it's one of my favorite specs in the game

[outer sky]

Define "well"

[tardy jackal]

I'd like to know what I should be prioritizing to get better damage output on single targets

I've been working on getting my full pvp set so I can actually be viable and not fall over but I'm noticing my damage is quite poor compared to the other players

so I've been able to survive now in a 3s skirm multiple minutes, but my damage is suffering a lot and i know we could be closing out faster if i knew better what to do

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is a slow burn spec. Youre playing for mana

[tardy jackal]

and are other outlaw players preferring fatebound or trickster?

I see, I can envision that

[stoic spruce]

Idrk how to help without a vod but what build are you running

[tardy jackal]

you just play mostly for survival, good cc's and big goes when the moment is right?

[stoic spruce]

Just survival and CCs

You do decent dmg with menacing rush though

[tardy jackal]

i was trying something like this out

[stoic spruce]

Wouldn't call it a burst

There are some changes you can make that'll make a noticable difference

[tardy jackal]

i've only been able to dabble with fatebound mostly and that feels good but it was not working for me in a pvp environment

and i heard trickster was helpful for being sturdier

but idk if it plays super different

[stoic spruce]

Not really the case anymore

Apparently people play KS but I've yet to find any use of it

Feels like I'm just wasting GCDs

Move 1 ace to Find an Opening

[stoic spruce]

If this is for arenas FB is your best bet

[tardy jackal]

im also not used to using killing spree and it feels kinda bad? and easy for people to interrupt you

[stoic spruce]

It is bad

[tardy jackal]

yeah i really enjoy arenas the most

[stoic spruce]

Move Fast Action to prep

And then I'd move KS to heavy hitter 2

@tardy jackal

[tardy jackal]

ya my tree broke and i had to figure out what to do, i did just that haha

find an opening does sound like a solid choice

would you say everything else looks ok?

[stoic spruce]

You don't have loaded dice

I'm trying to remember where you'd get the point for it

Send me your updated tree

[tardy jackal]

i switched to FB also but lmk if any of these should be changed

i think its just my FB pve talents i use

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah deft

[tardy jackal]

theres so many good talents on the outlaw tree it feels so hard to choose

😭

[stoic spruce]

It's such an energy sink in arenas

Big in BGs tho

[tardy jackal]

gotcha

that into loaded?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

We'll probably move it to sleight once we figure out what it's actually doing

[tardy jackal]

would you mind telling me what a typical opener is for an arena setting?

cause ive heard a variety of things

but they dont feel good lol

[stoic spruce]

You don't really have an opener, you just kinda go in

After you sap ofc

So adr, RtB, sap, dispatch, bte

And then your regular build and spend rules until game over

[tardy jackal]

ok so dont even bother with cheapshots or kidneys at start?

just go in and maybe pop a feint in case they try to stop you hard

[stoic spruce]

Sap + cheaps+kidney lol

I should've been specific that's my b

"cheaps" you only get 1 cheap

[tardy jackal]

right

sap heal, cheap off target, open main

its better to dispatch first for SND or kidney to keep them still?

[stoic spruce]

Luckily stopping outlaw hard isn't a thing anymore since you can't really stop people from doing their regular rotation which is what outlaw does 99% of the time

[stoic spruce]

Kidney

Dispatching first is asking for trouble

[tardy jackal]

thought so

[stoic spruce]

You're just giving them time to react since you have to build as well

[tardy jackal]

someone was saying ADR > SND > RTB > sap > open is what i should do before, is that bad?

[stoic spruce]

Naw, that's essentially the same thing

You'll just have to build before kidney

Sinister Strike specifically

[tardy jackal]

do you pop prep right after ADR wears off and you put blade rush and bte on cd?

[stoic spruce]

I think that's still up in the air

Some people do it differently

I like to do it for at least adr and br unless bte is about to come off CD in the next global

[tardy jackal]

is prep effected by our CDR of combo points spent?

[stoic spruce]

No

[tardy jackal]

aw, that'd be sick lol

[stoic spruce]

Itd be interesting for sure

You have your builder/spender rules down?

FB you dispatch at 5+

Bte 6+ obv

[tardy jackal]

yeah I played FB while I leveled and when i've been doing pve content so it feels really good to use

i hadnt gotten to spend much time on learning how trickster's nuances worked

[stoic spruce]

There aren't any, it got moved to FB with spending dispatch at 5cp

All trickster does is add KS to your rotation

[tardy jackal]

were people using full combo points on KS? or was it primarily a short combo point spent just to initiate the debuffs applied to the opponent for extra dmg

[stoic spruce]

5+ I'm pretty sure

5cp is enough to fully refill you cps

[tardy jackal]

im guessing you really only use it once you know they blew their cc's or they couldn't trinket a kidney or something to defend themselves

[outer sky]

Got depressed reading this

What hero tree is outlaw even playing?

[stoic spruce]

Well I've yet to have trickster do more than FB

[outer sky]

How's coin damage?

Its kinda meh on assa

[stoic spruce]

Decent

Yeah same

[outer sky]

Bro lol

Not to be dramatic but

Talking about assa and outlaw right now feels like talking about your pet right after it died

Oh god I hope they fix this

[stoic spruce]

That was amazing to read

[outer sky]

Sometimes I wonder what it would actually take to get me to reroll

Probably if they ever get rid of smoke bomb that would be the nail in the coffin for me

[stoic spruce]

They'd have to get rid of RtB for me

Or pistol shot

[outer sky]

Shit theyre working on it

I remember when rtb was a combo point spender with no CD

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it was awesome

[outer sky]

I preferred it that way too

But a lot of people hated it

Because "im always rerolling buffs and never doing damage"

[hollow carbon]

😭 assa was so much fun last expansion. Sure the AOE garrote was too much, but couldn’t they give outlaw and assa a free cheap shot on vanish like sub on dance?! It’s so horrible

[outer sky]

Yeah that talent needs to be made baseline or go to the rogue class tree

[graceful plume]

With kidney 30s cd and no vanish cd reduction outlaw is pretty much dead. Reroll sub like everyone else.

[outer sky]

Yeah outlaw got gutted real good

[hollow carbon]

Personally I like that they got rid of crackshot, but they should tune it similar to SL s4 outlaw, without the crazy CDR ofc but that it has more brawler gameplay without being just a worse fotm melee

[outer sky]

I really liked that pvp talent outlaw used to have. Enduring Brawler. That was well designed i thought.

[stoic spruce]

It is

Unless you're saying to flat out buff outlaw

In which I agree

[hollow carbon]

I am fine with playing sub this expansion but I feel they are just one dmg nerf away from being nearly useless out of RMP and then we are sitting there without options

[stoic spruce]

However I will always say buff outlaw even if it is egregiously OP

[hollow carbon]

This. They have to buff the dmg imo

[stoic spruce]

It's very middle of the pack rn but at the lower in pve so I'd def expect buffs

[graceful plume]

It's the only spec left that can do setups. Even with lower damage sub will be extremely good.

[outer sky]

The whole idea of outlaw is its supposed to be the rogue spec that can stay in the fight. But these days its probably less tanky than sub. Can't peel people off as well and has a nerfed feint wall lol

[stoic spruce]

I think with every spec being reworked we're due for a pvp talent overhaul

[hollow carbon]

Demo can do setups good enough, it has crazy ton of CC for whatever reason

[stoic spruce]

Eventually

[outer sky]

Im sure he meant rogue spec

[hollow carbon]

Yeah that’s true. I would like to see assa being good against casters and outlaw being good into melee cleaves

[outer sky]

Idk i think this whole "assa has a silence therefore its anti caster" thing is overstated. Like, if assa plays into a caster cleave, the silence is nice but it doesnt make it "good into casters" because a good caster cleave can 40 yard triangle the assa rogue which is going to make it hard to multi dot which will make energy regen a lot slower. Also depending on how bleed damage is tuned, sometimes your pressure comes from spread pressure. Its not like that now but it has been in recent seasons. A garrote and rupture on 1 target isn't scary. But it can be on 3. Try getting that done vs a 3 caster team

Those things I think generally eclipse the advantage of having a silence tied to a 2m CD like vanish

[stoic spruce]

Give outlaw AoE parry that applies to teammates

Holy shit blizz hire me

Wait wait

I got another

Drink up me hearties

But good

[outer sky]

Can that even be good? It would have to copy like 100% of vials affect onto allies lol

I also didn't realize they totally removed vanish from restless blades effect

I thought they just nerfed it

And they nerfed hook

Fuck lol

[stoic spruce]

I already don't feel the hook nerf

I actually forget until someone brings it up lol

[outer sky]

I was playing skirms and BGs with verm a couple days ago and I saw him use hook and I thought I was lagging

I just dont get it

Its not like it was THAT fast to begin with

Its a mobility cooldown its supposed to get you somewhere quickly

[stoic spruce]

Normally when they do stuff like this they add different stuff in the following expac. I just hate we have to have this for an entire expac before we start getting the good stuff.

I'm not really worried personally

Just sucks for the time being

[outer sky]

None of you outlaw mains are. Verm and vancleef are optimistic too. I have to wonder if its because yall are just so used to your spec being bad that you've just gotten over it

Which is fine if so

I could stand to adopt that mentality myself

[stoic spruce]

There's a pattern of them doing a big culling and then adding stuff next expac

Nothing to do with outlaw

[outer sky]

When was the last time they did this?

[stoic spruce]

Wod

[outer sky]

That was a while ago lol

[stoic spruce]

Bfa

And then SL gave us a ton of stuff

[outer sky]

I dont think the legion>bfa pruning was anywhere near as heavy handed as this

[stoic spruce]

No but the wod one is comparable

[hollow carbon]

Make shiv apply slow, get rid of the heave crippling poison slow, make mind-numbing stronger on assa like curse of tongues, give assa sprint freedom back. And then it could have a niche there. Give shadow dance to every rogue spec (longer cd on outlaw and assa), just one vanish charge

[stoic spruce]

I'm just saying we get new stuff every single time

Frankly it's long overdue tbh

Should've had this in DF

[stoic spruce]

We also understand Outlaw is historically a support spec and when it actually does really good damage, it's probably not intended.

I don't think any of us actually expect it's dmg to be good

[outer sky]

See the issue here is that this culling coincided with the addon restrictions. They want to make things "more accessible" which i fear they'll interpret as "less stuff in your kit". Not to mention, lets be real here. What are the most played specs in the game? Ret pally, BM hunter, braindead mind numbing crap with Fisher Price rotations. Ive said this before: if I owned a restaurant and 70% of my customers ordered the same 2 items off the menu, then you'd better believe id be looking to see how I can make my other dishes as popular as those. And im afraid theyre looking at these depthless idiot proof specs and their relative popularity and thinking the same thing.

[stoic spruce]

I'm picking up what you're putting down

However I don't think it'll stay like this forever

They've been talking about this addon thing for manyyyyy years

I'm actually surprised they went through with it

Now I ain't saying we'll go back to a tww era of spec design but I can def see them adding more as time goes on.

[outer sky]

Im trying to think of what they could do to make assa and outlaw good specs that doesnt involve giving them more CC because blizzard has been clawing away at CC and specifically rogue CC since shadowlands and I just dont see them reversing course on that.

[stoic spruce]

Ironically sub gained CC since SL

But who's shocked by that

Also

Maybe we don't gain CC at all and are given something else

Or

We're lowkey doomed and have to pay for our sins

God I hate Sub

[outer sky]

Assa and sub both gained gouge. Sub and assa gained disarm if we want to call that CC. But otherwise all 3 specs have lost a ton of CC. At least up until midnight where sub got such a short CD on shadow dance that it feels

[stoic spruce]

What CC did we lose though

Prior to midnight

Obv

[outer sky]

8s blind and kidney getting capped at 5 combo points

And I think sap used to be 8s as well but I could be wrong about that

Yeah it did

[stoic spruce]

5s kidney is still the longest stun I'm pretty sure. Idk I feel like that one didn't really amount to much in the grand scheme of things.

The blind one sucked though

On the receiving end of blind saps though I get it

[outer sky]

Idk i loved 7s kidney lol

Oh

And of course

Kidney CD increased by 50%

When you add it all up its a lot

50% longer kidney CD, 2s shorter kidney duration, 3s shorter blind, 2s shorter sap

[stoic spruce]

I think the kidney stuff is fine but really the blind is annoying

Idk

They have this bipolar relationship with mico CCs

Try to reduce them but make even more?

[outer sky]

Id be okay with the duration staying 5s but I really want the CD increase reverted

Ya know I still spam my kidney keybind early because over like 8 years i developed like this internal timer to know when kidney is off CD and I havent overridden that yet

[stoic spruce]

I don't

[outer sky]

But yeah I dont see us ever getting CC back and idk what else would fix these specs

I mean MAYBE make assa's hemotoxin as powerful as sharpened blade?

Is that fried?

[stoic spruce]

It should be as powerful

[outer sky]

When it first came out it was a 40% ms not 30 but thats when assa still has 7s kidney and vendetta and I guess it was just too much

[stoic spruce]

7s against a rogue is a very long time

[outer sky]

I think a full blown sharpened blade style MS would be fine for this iteration of assa

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[outer sky]

But tie it to kingsbane not shiv since shiv is trash

[stoic spruce]

And outlaw gets float back :)

[outer sky]

Outlaw needs more than that

[stoic spruce]

Nah, it should stay a live lord mid dmg spec

[outer sky]

Did you read the Dragonball Super Manga by any chance?

[stoic spruce]

No

[outer sky]

So vegeta gets a new form

Called Ultra Ego

In the recent chapter

And the whole idea is

The more damage he takes in that form

The stronger he gets

Thats how I envision outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Hmmm

Idkkkk

@spring bough I need you to tell me what to think

Because like

With this version of outlaw, we don't heal a lot

[spring bough]

What am I thinking about why is there so much to read

[stoic spruce]

Just what zic just said

Don't read everything else

[spring bough]

I wish outlaw was like ultra instinct lmao

[outer sky]

Ultra instinct has WW monk vibes

Ultra ego is way more outlaw

First of all give back enduring brawler. That fit outlaw perfectly. 2nd, add a mechanic or talent or whatever where you do more damage the lower hp you are and you get another damage bonus if you take more than X% of your hp in damage in one hit stacking up to X times

Idk im spitballing here

[stoic spruce]

Well

EB we're already at if we go FB

But

One thing to note is that bte is a stacking buff now and that adds a good amount of freedom for gameplay

Idk

[outer sky]

Im just trying to think of how to improve the spec without turning it into a warrior spec

[stoic spruce]

I feel this outlaw is so close to being really really good

[stoic spruce]

Gl with that lol

[outer sky]

The idea of "ok i can try and kill this guy but if i dont finish him and hes super low hp he may one shot me" is interesting at least

"Dont cleave the outlaw he'll do more damage"

[stoic spruce]

I feel like that's more warrior than rogue tbh

Since warrior has a similar talent already

I think Fury

[outer sky]

I think youre right

Yeah

[stoic spruce]

Good cook tho

[outer sky]

Not like it matters lol

[stoic spruce]

Real

And also true

They'll add their own spin next expac and it'll be alright at best

[outer sky]

Alright at best and unplayable at worst lol

[stoic spruce]

Then we'll have to bow to our Sub overlords

Again

[river pollen]

Sub mentioned lesgooo

[spring bough]

@potent pivot https://x.com/ellesmeregaming/status/2030974073988120591?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Ellesmere (@EllesmereGaming)

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X · Mar 9, 2026, 11:48 AM

Over a bar texture LMFAO

[grave basin]

Its been assa meta for 5 years buddy

[stoic spruce]

because no one knows how busted Sub is

was

now is

[grave basin]

Right

Im sure pikaboo just willingly rerolled to feral and didnt play his sub rog

Cause he didnt know

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[grave basin]

[spring bough]

Sub is gonna be busted for week 1 of the season then everyone’s gonna complain about blizz the rest of the season. Calling it now

The nerf hammer is looming lmao

[stoic spruce]

and sub will still be better ebcause SD

sigh...

[grave basin]

Sv hunter about to get the fattest buffs

[stoic spruce]

big ol gap

unholy boutta get nuked from orbit

frost as well lowkey

[grave basin]

True and i prayge it happens

Get these zoo specs outa here

[stoic spruce]

youre a rogue

our opinions are invalid

[grave basin]

Nah take demo with you out back

[stoic spruce]

as well as rets and mages

and demo yeah

good shout

I dont wanna hear JACK from any of those

[spring bough]

Keep dreaming

Outlaw and DH all the way nerfs or not

[stoic spruce]

Van

[grave basin]

20% to boomstick 20% to bomb 10% to raptor

[stoic spruce]

you dont understand

We NEED another nerf to BF

[spring bough]

No we don’t lmao

Shits doing 40-50% of my overall in dungeons even with nerfs 😭

[stoic spruce]

exactly

We also need a BF nerf

because

fmage is immortal

[spring bough]

Single target is actually good for once

Even in dungeons

Dispatch is so back

[stoic spruce]

VAN

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND

WW ONE SHOTS

WE NEED TO NERF BF

[spring bough]

That dispatch dmg tho

🔥

[stoic spruce]

[spring bough]

Devourer and demo lock who???

[grave basin]

The superior brawler reigns supreme

[spring bough]

Fuck a WW

We gonna clean their clocks

Do they have stealth or vanish? Nah then we win

[stoic spruce]

they just have what we have and then some util

no biggie

[grave basin]

Ww has util? Lmaoooooooo

[graceful plume]

I have been playing outlaw exclusively since S3 Shadowlands and I think it's really bad. But sub feels so good right now I'm not even mad.

[grave basin]

What one aoe stun every 5 business days?

[stoic spruce]

on top of your 0

[spring bough]

AoE stun

Disc

[grave basin]

Yea one stun

[spring bough]

Don’t you have something like a blind too

[grave basin]

Dps Warriors have 2 and battle shout and aoe silence

[spring bough]

When did battle shout CC??

[grave basin]

And ranged interrupt

Int shout

[dark kernel]

Yeah I feel rogues are even worse for mythics now

[grave basin]

Choice node with piercing howl though which is a nerf in pvp

[dark kernel]

But these mythics are piss easy

I did a full world tour this week in honor gear

[grave basin]

Is it even worth doing, i havent done one

[spring bough]

Might need more gear than that 😭

[grave basin]

Been knocking out all the low hanging achievements

[dark kernel]

We never wiped except once and it was all PuGs. The only hard dungeon is murder row

217 to 227 ilvl

(I'm still in half honor gear

[grave basin]

Might try and do this tmr morn

[tribal ridge]

How are the specs in PvP?
Was thinking about going Sin because dot + apex Kingsbane sounds fun for a burst. I primarily do BGs, so I plan to spend an ungodly amount of time on SR, so.

Trying to figure out which spec to commit.

[grave basin]

Come back on the 17th

[tribal ridge]

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-blue-role-blue-name-gif-3527751319486244073

[proven field]

Man it's too bad the racial is so bad for haranir because you can make them look amazing (like vampires!):

[grave basin]

Its good their racials are dog

More racials need to be gutted so we can be free from combat advantages

[graceful plume]

That's cute

[proven field]

they just need to move racials to a PVP racial tree (one major two minor like old school glyphs), leave actual racials to unique armor sets, housing shit, etc

then I could be a gigantic vampire rogue

[grave basin]

Thats equally as bad

[proven field]

no you are

[grave basin]

Imagine every game every one gets orc racial for free

Or dwarf

[proven field]

how is that different than just rolling that race on a cahr

char*

[grave basin]

??

Cause not everyone is orc or dwarf?

Facing hpal evoker ret triple dwarf

Yea ok

[jolly sierra]

just remove all racials and make races cosmetic

i am fkn tired of night elves and dwarves

[quick crypt]

I would miss haymaker but willing to sacrifice it 😄

[proven field]

So make it like glyphs like I said - can't swap per round/instance.. just take the race part out, would also even out factions a lot more because we wouldn't have 65% of PVP be NE

racials are super fun, I wouldn't want to see them gone entirely; but it's also dumb to have round-breakingly powerful ones next to... one where you cook food quickly

[quick crypt]

Do you remember Arcane Torrent aoe silencing? Nerfed to the ground, but somehow Meld still in it´s prime for multiple seasons in a row.

[proven field]

Chris Metzen, confirmed Night Elf IRL

[quick crypt]

He may be the Orc voice, but he’s Nelf player for sure

[jolly sierra]

meld is still peak because is both a stealth gate and a target los

just make it work like it was pre lich

and done, you fuck it up and can still exist properly lol

[dark kernel]

Play sub you don't need meld

High mountain is actually so good

[jolly sierra]

i will

they fucked up my deathstalker

no reason to play assa anymore

[dark kernel]

No reason to play deathstalker it's ass

[jolly sierra]

it was good in TWW

they fucked it up cuz bugs

and blizz doesnt gives a fuck about rogues so

[vocal surge]

You want more haste if you're going to drop tea

[dark kernel]

It's jusr fucked because we cannot auto change targets and it's completely ass to keep us semi-target locked

Like I cannot blow a dance to clear my mark to move to another target on a swap or I lose a bunch of damage and utility

The juggling is just unfeasible

But to be honest I do not mind the easier spec being better

[vocal surge]

Also I wanna fite someone lol

[jolly sierra]

want the problem in that hero talent deathstalker mark itself not working as intended?

[severe helm]

I think dropping tea is pretty troll though

its kinda just too op

for how energy starved outlaw is

[spring bough]

Is what I’ve been doing. I move deft to combat stamina sometimes. I play around with that point

[molten hedge]

calamity no longer in rotation lmao noo @potent pivot @outer sky

[outer sky]

Yeah apparently it rotates daily or something

[hushed compass]

yo kings which is the best spec for world pvp?

[molten hedge]

looks like it

at 87, pulling the entire map no rested xp i got 5%

[outer sky]

Sub is the only spec for any kind of pvp

[hushed compass]

ty king

[pliant spoke]

personally, id go sub for pvp. the kingsbane apex for burst is nice and its a 1min cd, but it really has issues with energy and garrote is bugged and not giving the correct amount of combo points when used.

[hushed compass]

any good pvp streamer or guide to watch?

[outer sky]

I think i remember you from RBGs

[pliant spoke]

been quite a while since ive done RBGs

[outer sky]

Whaazz, Nahj

[outer sky]

How long is a while? If its not you then its another rogue by the exact same name

[pliant spoke]

You may be thinking of siccarius which is not me. he streams on twitch

i get this a lot

[analog tapir]

yeah but it also had 1 min cd in season 3 tww and worked fine 😄

[outer sky]

Does he do 10 man RBGs?

[pliant spoke]

possibly. i think the last time i did rbgs was in SL or maybe DF.

really havent done them since solo shuffle

i dont really follow siccarius

he's just an imposter with two c's

😉

[outer sky]

Is he good

[pliant spoke]

from what I hear yeah

[tribal ridge]

Thanks! Will give it a shot!
Any recommendations for Talents or can I just stick with Veins page?

[pliant spoke]

CUQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZ2mBAAAAAmtZmZZiZZbmxMjZgZmZmlxsMmZssMzMYmxAmxAAAAwwMsZWmxsNDjFGMz20CtNbMzAzMDmxA is what im using

seems solid

[tribal ridge]

Appreciate

[pliant spoke]

np

[stiff cedar]

first room was 4% full map was definitely like 7-8% even tho my mage was 89

to the ring is still infinitely faster tho

[analog tapir]

damn why did asssa only get 1 cheap ? and sub 2 ?

i mean what's the reason

[tardy jackal]

I actually like what you got going on the rogue tree a lot, I’ll have to try that out later.

Not having thistle tea really sucks

[spring bough]

Call me an outlaw lover

[tardy jackal]

And I like the supercharger talent a lot

You and me both

Is it pretty normal for us to only put one point into ace?

And I saw you don’t bother taking gouge. I feel like I needed it at times to either get someone off me for a sec or at least slow down peoples’ go on my teammates if I didn’t have something.

[outer sky]

Outlaw only has one too

[tardy jackal]

@stoic spruce thanks for the help last night by the way. Sorry I kinda ghosted. Didn’t realize how late I was staying up and I had to sleep like 3 hrs before going to work lol.

[jolly sierra]

@stoic spruce big meanie

[spring bough]

One ace always

2/2 ace gives what 4cp back instead of 2….. not needed

Still need to build after BTE resets anyways

[spring bough]

F gouge. Also would rather have 5 second blind than a shorter duration one

[proven field]

Man I really gotta say goodbye to my Reshii Wraps? I love the proc 🙁

focusing iris also gone... sad day for dopamine

[analog tapir]

True 😄 well i like assa

[proven field]

oh my god halazzi enchants 30k, I am not built for this

[jolly sierra]

u are watching too soon

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-franco-wait-what

[spring bough]

They’ll come down in a few weeks

I’m just buying cheap stuff for now then upgrading it all later

[proven field]

even looking at enchants in the AH is confusing...all the TWW stuff looks like it works but then it doesn't actually, the ilevels all over the place.. am I just dumb, what happened

I feel like maybe I got old and dumb, but maybe I am missing something

[outer sky]

@potent pivot You're definitely right. Running the full apex nodes feels 10x better

There's no way kalv is right about that

proccing coup>full stacks of flawless form>sectec

feels so good

[spring bough]

Just sort it by current expansion. Best option on the AH

[dark kernel]

Was that ever a question?

Kalvish doesn't theory craft anything til live pretty much

[outer sky]

Yeah he did some testing and officially recommended not running the last apex node

[dark kernel]

Ancient arts? LMAO HOW

It's like the second best node

Just looking at the entire rest of the tree there's nothing even close in terms of power I don't know how he came to that conclusion

[proven field]

Oh I see what happened, for some reason the weapons are actually.. in the finger spot on the AH; that's why I can't see any of them

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s weird. There’s also new helm and shoulder enchants too

[proven field]

still super confusing that higher ilevel enchants are older; how is someone supposed to know what to get

[dark kernel]

We poverty enchants still insanely expensive

[outer sky]

@dark kernel

[dark kernel]

Interesting

Let me take some time

[proven field]

everything is looks like is actually in the finger section... small indie company... there's some cheap stuff, just not weapons

[dark kernel]

Ahh that blows. I got a 240 dagger bro! Guess I'll sit on it

[proven field]

holy crap awesome

lol I am so sad at this.. Crystalline Radiance is +49 Agility for 600g...Mark of the Worldsoul is +50 Agility for... 30,000g

but cannot apply to midnight gear

[dark kernel]

Okay. I read this and I feel like I understand where he's coming from but it also feels like he flat out just ignores the auto combo bar refresh and he's over focused on the ghost damage cloning portion too

Like there are times we don't have to waste a global building in the go window and just eviscerate, alone that makes up for the talent.

I don't know how he can justify dark brew now. We don't even have rupture pad.

I guess clone pad but he just talked about how bad clone damage was, so him investing more talents in clone damage is kind of weird

[proven field]

I wonder if Halazzi at least benefits from +bleed talents

[spring bough]

He isn’t using the apex talent, right? Absolutely crazy to me

[proven field]

actually... pretty much all the enchants kinda suck, nothing seems amazing, so guess I'll wait.. thank you everyone for going through this with me

[dark kernel]

Just the very last node, ancient arts

[spring bough]

Yeah even so still insane

[dark kernel]

His logic is not bad, but it's just his logic is focused on prioritizing it rather than just letting it exist

And I think he's over focused on that

I don't see a world where there's any better talent choice., I especially don't see a world war blizzard let's there be an unused Apex talent

[spring bough]

Let’s not use the new talents that are each 5% dps or so per point

[outer sky]

I wouldn't put this past them

Theyve made some really shitty capstones

also

theyre designing everything for pve

so its entirely possible that they could make every apex node good for pve but not necessarily pvp

[spring bough]

If even 1 class doesn’t use an apex node I would consider that a complete failure on blizzard

[molten hedge]

it's no longer calamity story today 😉

[outer sky]

I'm queueing rogue/mage 2s skirms and weve killed this same MM hunter 3x in a row each time with him doing 0 damage, all because he's not human and isnt playing trinket so he has no way out of a stun. And he literally just rage whispered me. Like, he's not playing trinket or human into sub/fire RM and he thinks the issue is the game balance. What a meme. I'd post the whispers here but they contain language that cant be shared in this discord

[jolly sierra]

XD

[proven field]

my heavens, that last talent for everyone... lvl 90 BGs are an absolute shit-show lol

[jolly sierra]

just blur the banneable slurs

we wanna read, and fkn deserved for him who tf complains by playing a class with a 80% slow uptime

[dark kernel]

Doesn't the human fucking racial remove stuns

[main ferry]

do we have a datamined list of all the pvp WQ gear rewards?

[dark kernel]

It's just a 3 minute CD

[proven field]

glad I just farmed honor while leveling, it's hilariously bad... last few BGs, every one has 2 GDs and 2-3 MWs each.. nothing dies, everything just mosh pits in mid

[outer sky]

yes

[proven field]

it's like a NIN music video

[jolly sierra]

i lost against bots days ago

[dark kernel]

That's why I use the AI battlegrounds and hate your life

[jolly sierra]

while leveling

they had twice the average player HP and one shotted ppl

[proven field]

im already capped, just playing for fun and doing ok all things considered, but man there is some funky shit... priests have double fear now? a fear so powerful, it can withstand a literal nuclear bomb without breaking

Sargeras stabbing an entire planet with a sword - priest fear? would not break

[next ocean]

what a grinder

[spring bough]

………

[dark kernel]

Do they? Is it shadow?

[dark kernel]

How. Or better yet. Why?

[spring bough]

That’s gotta be pure love of the game idek

[next ocean]

russian premate in enemy team

[tardy jackal]

Do you sometimes take airborne irritant? What points in that build you showed me are like “flex options” if you wanted to shift around

Pairing airborne irritant x blinding powder decent?

[spring bough]

I don’t take it anymore after they nerfed the cooldown reduction and then they also removed the AoE

[tardy jackal]

Aw

Oo I need to take that turn the tables pvp talent as well

That seems great

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot But Kalvish said the sky is orange what are we talking about!!!!

[potent pivot]

I think he misunderstood how it works tbh

He spoke as though you would get the same amount of finishers inside of a dance window with or without the last apex node.

Which just isn’t true

I want to say I’ve even had 3 procs in 1 dance window

[molten hedge]

Yeah only thing I didn’t like was it felt like I couldn’t use them all

It was too many freebies 😭

Like during your stuns

But it is nice to have

Or you do a finisher, get full combo pts for free and can use it on a kidney or something on someone else

[outer sky]

Theres exceptions to every rule

[molten hedge]

Maybe Kalvish makes it work. But it feels better to have FREE finishers on deck lol

Like you don’t always need someone in a stun to kill as long as healers ccd. And sometimes even when he’s not depending on comp

It’s just a lot of damage left on the table

And free energy

[dark kernel]

I think so too.

[molten hedge]

I have as well l

It’ll feel super good in Later seasons with more mastery

If they would just fix DS or coup global

[dark kernel]

I would bet blizz puts a bit in the DS

They have to realize nobody is touching it

[molten hedge]

If you play other classes, you might suspect that’s not always the case

Lots of hero trees left untouched

One example is Druid of the claw. No ferals play it

[potent pivot]

Problem is I think they’re still using it in pve

Because it’s only an issue on very particular bosses

But I heard wiping in m+ means no mark too so idk

Whispyr seems to think they won’t change it, because they’ve basically tripled down on its design as a debuff with the latest change that borked it.

[dark kernel]

I mean tbh as long as they keep DS power scaling fine then so be it. It would be dog shit if they over buff it to force it's use like they sometimes do

[potent pivot]

They could fix it with 1 extremely simple change

Making it a buff on the user

[outer sky]

Make it a buff on the rogue

I dont think that fits thematically though

[potent pivot]

Well I don’t think Deathmark being a debuff fits thematically

[outer sky]

Well blizzard disagrees. Lets see who's opinion ends up mattering more

FUCK

[dark kernel]

Of course. Shit they could have left it like TWW

[outer sky]

I was making instant ramen and I dropped the pot and spilled boiling water all over my left hand

fucking hell

[dark kernel]

That's actual shit dude

I got a hot oil burn on mine years ago

I swear to God. Get aloe or wound care ointmint and wear a glove over it

[spring bough]

We are so close to season start

What to do till then…. Level more characters? lol

[outer sky]

level 3 or 4 and then farm honor so you can gear up asap

[dark kernel]

Coloplast Triad Hydrophilic wound Dressing

[spring bough]

Already have 2 fully honor geared characters lol

[outer sky]

what language is this

[spring bough]

Pig Latin?

[potent pivot]

@molten hedge there's an even better pot

[dark kernel]

Buy it off amazon

[potent pivot]

774 agi

[dark kernel]

Holy fucking shit

How much are those clocking in AH

[potent pivot]

800g

[dark kernel]

Flasks are stupidly priced and every time I check the AH they are hundreds gold different

[uneven rover]

Messing around with pvp a little during preseason, you can’t macro the pvp damage pot, pvp on use trinket and SB together?

[potent pivot]

i'm using these

[dark kernel]

I go like 10 vers flasks for 2000g

[potent pivot]

the silver rank of light's potential are cheap

[outer sky]

thats not so bad

we're pvpers gold is free

[potent pivot]

pvp damage pot?

[outer sky]

I also just made bank selling these pyrium weapon chains

[potent pivot]

the battleground shit?

[uneven rover]

Saltwater potion

[outer sky]

Only usable in unrated BGs

[potent pivot]

you should be able to macro all of that together just fine

[dark kernel]

Fuck I need one

[outer sky]

It feels so good

[uneven rover]

Yeah I’m just messing around in unrated bgs, but maybe something is wrong with my macro

[dark kernel]

We can still use em on offhand right?

[outer sky]

yessir

[outer sky]

its bugged though. You cant transmog off the enchant glow

[dark kernel]

Banger

Ehh fuck it I ball

[twin zephyr]

what is main stats for Sub rogue pvp ?

[outer sky]

haste up to ~600 then mastery

this is subject to change but as of right now this looks the most promising

[twin zephyr]

thank you 🙂 i just needed a direction while buying my first few pvp items 🙂

[spring bough]

Does this work in rated

[potent pivot]

no lol

its a pve pot

works in wpvp

[spring bough]

Ik lmao. I’m always craving that one season where something sneaks by

[potent pivot]

it's basically +50% dps

[spring bough]

Remember the fang embellish season? That was a fun ride

[outer sky]

We got half duration disarms. I say take what we can get

[spring bough]

Is that enchant still working??? No hotfix yet??

[outer sky]

Yep still working

[spring bough]

Not for long

[outer sky]

The xmog for it is bugged though they need to fix that asap

Its killing my vibe

[spring bough]

Gonna be week 1 and a bunch of forum posts about “why does rogue not have a full disarm”

[outer sky]

This doesnt just work for rogues

Anyone can use it

[spring bough]

Ik but we are gonna get singled out per usual

[outer sky]

W/e let em cry

Im gunna ride this as far as it'll take me

If it works in this season somehow but not in subsequent seasons I'll literally keep my season 1 off hand for the entire xpac

[unique garnet]

I haven't checked since i just hit 90 last night, where is the pvp vendor in silvermoon

[potent pivot]

near the dummies

southwestern ish area

[outer sky]

Towards the bottom left of the map. Theres a red circle

[dark kernel]

There's an icon on the map

Conquest quartermaster

[unique garnet]

I will check after work here in a few minutes then

Thank you

[hidden moth]

are my retail lads seeing sub expired on launcher

most of the classic guild is seeing it but we all able to log in

[potent pivot]

yeah lol

[lavish idol]

Anyone know if there's a Platynator setting to show class colours

[spring bough]

Try the jundies profile import that sets it up

Try this

[lavish idol]

Just tried it then but not having class colours

[potent pivot]

where

[lavish idol]

Outdoor pvp

[potent pivot]

you have to go to settings

[lavish idol]

ahh gotcha

[potent pivot]

u have to pick a diff drop down on the 2nd menu there too ithink

[lavish idol]

Well so far fixed, need to test them in BG later

ty

[molten hedge]

I saw that one but it was like quadruple the price on my realm for some reason but that’s juiced

[potent pivot]

ye its cuz its the bis pve pot, the rank 2 is cheap tho

i'm surprised ppl are going to use it over the light's potential cuz the bis one spawns aoe puddles u have to dodge lmao

[molten hedge]

It hits you hard if you don’t dodge? @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

not sure, but it silences you

[gusty hedge]

To The ring Live Hot Fixed Nerf

gg boys

wish i woulda got on earlier, now the long grind to lvl last alt

[potent pivot]

didn't we already have heraldries at this point in tww

[stoic spruce]

You get better results?

[stoic spruce]

Ur mom big

[jolly sierra]

nooo meanie

[tardy jackal]

I only got to play a couple before I shutdown but they did feel much better. Ill be playing around with it more tonight when I’m home from work

[potent pivot]

what a bitch lol

[gusty hedge]

YEAH even the cheap ones worse than honor

[jolly sierra]

HOW TF LOL

what a prick

imagine getting mad for a png

[stoic spruce]

What a meanie

[potent pivot]

apparently ellesmere and the guy already resolved the issue

[jolly sierra]

even like that i think they would be in very rough terms xd

[spring bough]

Sounds like he got mad cause ellese name dropped him 😂

[outer sky]

Meant to send this last night. This is what my no life ass was doing in just 1 season of BFA LOL

Probably could have got higher but as you can see i started refusing to play outlaw and be a mindless utility bot so I just stopped getting invited to groups

[wise sequoia]

This is an interesting view ...

Currently many apex talents are broken and unused. I have been playing as rdruid/guardian, mistweaver, sub rogue and hunter so far ... and besides hunter every apex talent is broken/unused 😛

Sub apex: doesn't copy full ability, just first hit
Guardian apex: actually nerfs your damage - maybe since the second tier is bugged
rdruid: I think it works, but people often forego it in PvE
MW: Doesn't proc spiritfont/soothing mist as listed
MM: I think this one works? have only played it today so it might also be useless like the rest.

And these are all the specs I have tried so far ^^

Surely blizzard will fix, right? 3 months of beta should take care of stuff like that 😉

[dark kernel]

Blizz really really sits on a lot of bugs for a while. Actual major expansion talents I 100% do not see being bugged

Like they will get MAJOR shit for that

[outer sky]

I almost don't even want them to fix sub's. It feels fine as it is. If they fix it then that's a buff. If it gets buffed from here it'll get nerfed into the ground. I say we keep our heads down and hope they don't both nerf us AND not fix the apex talents

[dark kernel]

I expect a pretty substantial patch note list for next week. Pages

[dark kernel]

This is a concern as well

[wise sequoia]

Patch notes next week:
Fixed sub rogues apex talent: can now only be procced of eviscerate since cdg/ST breaks it.
...
Also 50% nerf to shadowstrike damage to get it more in line with our expectations.
And dance CD increased to 30 to allow for more planning in between burst.

[halcyon timber]

He can just change the tga and be done with it.

[wise sequoia]

I don't know if I have faith in their ability to fix the Apex talents.

They have had all of alpha, 3-4 months of beta and the game has now been live for 2 weeks.

Maybe they will fix it all next week, since it is a core feature of the expansion.

But ... how many of the hero talents ended up being unused/broken? And they have had YEARS to fix those.

[halcyon timber]

More so tuning telemetry. They “turn on”an interaction —> shows cascade exceeding performance measurements they set —> reductions occur as causality.

Ex: Nightstalker in DF. MN beta Coins recently reduxed and base damage increased . Class tuning notes reducing volatility and compensation by smoothing etc seen across multiple specializations / classes.

[potent pivot]

sub has always had shadow clone bugs

who woulda thunk that adding more shadow clone shit wouldn't work perfectly

[grave basin]

which weapon chain?

[outer sky]

I knew when they made sub a Naruto cosplay spec that it wouldn't turn out well

[outer sky]

Pyrium

[potent pivot]

Pyrium

Exploit abusers

[grave basin]

exploit early exploit often

[outer sky]

Idk how that even happened tbh

Like last season it required ilvl 50 or under gear

They could have just

Not done anything to it

How does it get scaled up to 320 ilvl lol

[potent pivot]

Weird things happen when doing a level and stat squish

[grave pier]

@potent pivot if subterfuge is the way, should i have gone night elf? for pvp ?

[potent pivot]

There’s a lot of weird stuff like that I bet

[potent pivot]

Nah

[outer sky]

You mostly go subterfuge to get to double vanish not because you need it

Its nice

But nothing amazing

[tidal snow]

Any Minicc users? How do i disable the huge icons that appear at the top?

found itt

[outer sky]

Do you know how to make the icons on your raid frames smaller?

[tidal snow]

nope

just started tinkering with it

i will let you know if i find out haha

[grave pier]

how to turn these class badges off

[outer sky]

If only we had 20 years to sort out all our addons and UIs

Then we wouldn't have to deal with this shit in 2026

[tidal snow]

Its the slider in Auras

[outer sky]

Thanks man

[tidal snow]

And for trinket its in trinkets tab

np

[outer sky]

The trinket is fine. I just use my raid frames to see the hp of my teammates and that big icon makes it hard to tell how fucked they are

[tidal snow]

makes sense

[potent pivot]

Go into the settings for the addon that puts them there lol

[potent pivot]

💀

If I post ui shit it’s prolly gonna be after season starts

There’s just so many

We need an ellesmereUI for pvp

[outer sky]

I tried the skillcapped UI. Its decent

I stopped using it

But it wasnt bad

If someone wants to clean things up

[potent pivot]

i used the free version as a base to customize off of in tww

i just hate paid addon shit

[spring bough]

leveling a survival hunter next... i just dont know what race to do it as

[outer sky]

Orc

[spring bough]

i have a dark iron dwarf, human, nelf and orc

[outer sky]

100%

1% pet dam and shorter stuns

Thats what mine is

Dont regret it for a second

And blood fury is a 3.6% damage increase

I macro it to Takedown

So every other Takedown is buffed by it

[grave basin]

i keep getting dced

finish skirm - dc

finish storm event - dc

blizzard please

[spring bough]

heroic dungeon finder amazes me

"STACK THE GREEN" and every1 runs in opposite directions lmaoooo

what do they do the second time around? same shit

[grave basin]

killed rare - dc

3rd dc now

[spring bough]

so much for that 1gig internet

[grave basin]

it's the whole zone

i lost credit for two of my rare kills

[keen canopy]

yeah the second i finished my Prey thing ive been dcing non stop at least i got to finish it i guess

[potent pivot]

there's gotta be a better way to do this for alts

[latent patrol]

[grave basin]

dced AGAIN

[spring bough]

just go one by one and set it up lol

[outer sky]

At least you dont need that Netherwalk icon

[potent pivot]

gotta be a better way

i need a myslot for addons

[livid cipher]

surely it has profiles

i will miss using a weakaura setup as a template tho

[potent pivot]

yeah... all 20 addons definitely have profiles

[spring bough]

i need something so CDM has the same setup between alts of the same class

like every hunter i go to its all diff lol

[potent pivot]

cdr?

[spring bough]

cooldown manager

so im reading up on survival hunters....

seems like dual wield is the way to go

especially for pack leader

[potent pivot]

dungeon spam takes waaay longer

even if u have a full group of blasters to auto q

[potent pivot]

i just import luxthos' profiles for CDM, CMC, etc. then customize them on my own from there. but i have to do it for each class over and over

the delve spam trick isn't up today

as well

[spring bough]

just spam dungeons and do campaign quests in between ques

thats what im about to do for this survival hunt lol

[potent pivot]

80->81 kill bees in outside of Dorn

tbh just look at the leveling thread

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1478034741302399250

it explains the fastest route

this delve has to be on the Calamity story variant for the delve trick

setting up my DH ui bricked my rogue's ui

i cba

[sharp sierra]

lmao did the same on devour trying to fix cast bar

logged back into my rogue and realized i swapped everything around

forgetting to make profile

[potent pivot]

i re imported a Sensei profile and it reset my rogue's

[potent pivot]

now it won't go back how i had it either i'm gonna lose my shit lmao

[outer sky]

@potent pivot You around? Shadowguard is out of the rotation and I need help with the ring leveling thing

[hybrid sapphire]

good morning rogues what are we complaining about today

[molten hedge]

Damn bro u worked so hard to get your rog done smh

[outer sky]

Y'all wouldn't understand

its a fox thang

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-gif-27532705

[spring bough]

And I never will

[stoic spruce]

I understand dw

[molten hedge]

Blizz said fuck assa. Also rip training grounds

[spring bough]

Can the honor gained get any lower??? Holy fuck lmao

Not even gonna be pushing 200 honor a win with that 😭

[molten hedge]

It’ll be 150-200 now smh

[spring bough]

Gross and no one wants new 40 man for epics

[gleaming sentinel]

good. its training grounds

[spring bough]

Can’t wait to have that everyone now

[gleaming sentinel]

go play against players lol

[molten hedge]

Trust me blizzards bots are better than half of the wow pvp community

Lowkey maybe 75%

[spring bough]

Can evoker stay in one form now

Or does it still switch in combat

[molten hedge]

I’m sure it does

Once a lizard always a lizard

[spring bough]

Oh wait it can stay human form in combat now 🔥

Might have to do one for outlaw the double jump kinda sick ngl

[potent pivot]

you missed it? supposedly they hotfixed it

[potent pivot]

.......tf?

why do they continuously fuck up good shit

[outer sky]

hey hotfixed it???????????????????????

[spring bough]

Blizz is the no fun league

[outer sky]

So how do I level without the Shadowguard cheese???????????????????????????

[potent pivot]

you do the guide in the thread

...

[analog crater]

hows outlaw looking for pvp?

[molten hedge]

Ik bro

Thank god my Druids are at 88 and I haven’t done delved

Pls @ me when calamity is back up 😂

[queen grail]

how do i get honor guys....

i need so much for agoddam recipe 😢

[molten hedge]

BGs prob

Make sure u have flasks

[queen grail]

ya i have the 15%

thats the recipe im trying to get lmao

[molten hedge]

Idk if that’s ever dropped for me but I might’ve auto sold it

[queen grail]

just have to buy it for 7500 honor

[molten hedge]

Ohh ok

[dark kernel]

The problem is. They made the training ground so good that there was no reason to actually play regular BGs. It was straight up more viable.

And I still have to gear 3 whole alts lol

So trust me I'll miss it

[spring bough]

Lookin and feeling good

[queen grail]

hmm i dont have full pvp set yet

[dark kernel]

Is it actually. I need the build still

[queen grail]

should i buy the recipe first or the gear.. lmao

[spring bough]

Time will tell once the season starts and we get gear and sets

[dark kernel]

Fortunately outlawed sub kind of share items now

[potent pivot]

who cares though honestly

[analog crater]

they actually dealing damage now or what?

[spring bough]

I probably did 2-3 training grounds to gear out rest was epic bg and random bg

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s chunking ngl

Get haste to a good point and it feels nice

Dispatch, pistol, BTE, auto attacks all hitting for a good amount