pvp

[outer sky]

Ive heard spriest is even worse in that respect now

Its horrendous

[sharp sierra]

Nah tentacle slam replacing shadow crash is amazing

[outer sky]

The only people who say its "fine" are the people who've never said otherwise

[sharp sierra]

So much easier to aoe

[next ocean]

skill capped made a video for class picking yesterday and from that shadow is really good 😄

[potent pivot]

assa isn't that bad. zicore is just upset.

[outer sky]

They lost their stun

[sharp sierra]

Sure but leech is through the roof

Still gonna be a S tier spec in its current state

UNLESS

War gets buffed

Which I hope they do, I like war metas

[outer sky]

But right now as spriest you literally dont do anything besides sit there and turret damage. I mean its been that way for a while but its like REALLY that way now

The gap between a good and a great spriest has never been narrower

[sharp sierra]

That and shield is like 2% of your health bar lmao

[outer sky]

Yeah

Youre just playing to parse every game

[potent pivot]

gonna hit 90 in 20min lol

and i took a 10min break

[static holly]

Has anyone tried void weaver or disc priest so far? Not sure if I should lvl one this time or only go with rogues

[true warren]

am i blind or do we not have pvp training dummies anymore

[next ocean]

At the void storm pvp area in the south

Where u have the quests

[true warren]

non in silvermoon? big L

[potent pivot]

I couldn’t find any

[sharp sierra]

I play disc as a healer alt when I want 30 second ques

I’m really annoyed at the shields giving like 2% of health as a shield but the apex talents I guess make up for it. Still pretty fun and more engaging than other healers imo

[static holly]

@sharp sierra Yeah the void shields looks really interesting and keeping atonement up felt easier in beta. Not sure if I go with 2 rogues or rogue/priest. Limited time 🫤

Wanted to actually push a bit higher this time in shuffle/blitz instead of spreading my time across chars

[sharp sierra]

I feel the same. I’m limiting myself to 3 classes of each role. Rogue for melee, priest for heals, and still not sure if I’m doing mage for caster or something else. Gonna finish up my lock today and see if I like standing still lmao. Hopefully they fix arcane and revert the dumbass orb build so it can be fun again

[static holly]

Mage was never my taste. Had too many talents

[subtle warren]

did they nerf training ground honor?

[indigo hill]

The extra world quest in harandar where you fly a petalwing and throw bombs also one shots players if you have wm on.

[subtle warren]

pinned spec has warning signs over planned execution?

[potent pivot]

yes

[subtle warren]

okay just making sure ty

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot @outer sky that grunge pit method seems good. I also got a couple levels in less than 30 mins. But I was just hitting with randoms not in a group or anything. I don’t get how to do the extra stuff.

[spring bough]

Now that the law is geared and ready for PvP season start…. Time to do some midnight activities to get ready for keys lol

[jolly sierra]

wtf

eye for an eye hits like a truck

still

[waxen meteor]

do we have good sin build now?

[gusty hedge]

TRICKz had two builds one on more single target and one for more aoe rot bleed i guess, im only seeing 1 in pins. not sure if thats the one he was talking about

[spring bough]

Sub or law

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-tos-a-taste-of-armageddon-anan7-monster-gif-23504959

[keen fractal]

is there a haste break point for sub in pvp? just the standard 18% for extra globals then go mastery?

[outer sky]

like 600 worth of stats

[keen fractal]

like all around or for haste

[outer sky]

haste

in pvp

[keen fractal]

ok ty

then mastery verse?

[outer sky]

ye

[grave basin]

4th 90

im done for abit

[outer sky]

Am I good to turn in my 8 delve quests now?

[grave basin]

nah

around 70% of that level

[spring bough]

Almost there 😭

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-barnacles-gif-27349480

[outer sky]

I am so sad

[grave basin]

man whoever told me to do comp stomp for honor needs to be shot

just did skirms and BGs before 90 and im more than half way to full geared already

[molten hedge]

Training grounds is fast

Like 5-10 min games max fast queues for 400 honor ea

[grave basin]

i just dinged

and im alrdy more geared than all my other toons

now im in an IOC and we just wiped them at hangar

[spring bough]

Finishing midnight tours on my rogue in an hour or so and then getting something crafted then working on champion items 🔥

[outer sky]

Ok fuck yes Slylie Coyote is level 90

[wanton breach]

Gz, now farm honor

And gems for epic gear

[spring bough]

Best thing is the amulets already having their socket

[outer sky]

I killed so many people while leveling that I already have almost 9k honor on this guy

Ya know what the best quests are

Where you just have to kill 1 "boss mob" for like 20k xp instead of killing like 15 bears for 14k xp

[molten hedge]

🧢 🧢 🧢

[molten hedge]

Brotha u not even playing that guy 😂

[outer sky]

Wym??

[molten hedge]

Lmao are u rly gonna main a vulpera

[outer sky]

Idk about main but it'll be my main alt

[molten hedge]

Lmao is it as a meme

Or do u rly like vulpera

[outer sky]

Alt rogue

[molten hedge]

What’s their racial again

[outer sky]

The idea of a tiny fox rogue named slylie coyote stunning everyone and globaling people up to glad is just entertaining to me

Like every game I win im simultaneously trolling the other team without even trying

Bag of Tricks - Pull your chosen trick from the bag and use it on target enemy or ally. Enemies take [attackPower * 2.52 * percentDamage * (1 + versatility)] damage and are snared by 80% for 4 sec, while allies are healed for [attackPower * 3.78 * percentDamage * (1 + versatility)] and move 20% faster for 4 sec.

Thats the active racial

That 80% slow has been clutch ngl

Its like im throwing some ACME gadget at the enemy team

Its so troll I love it

[molten hedge]

Lol wow

I didn’t know mm has an 80% concussive now

That’s wild

[outer sky]

Yeah its also total bullshit

[molten hedge]

Ig compensation for losing their knocks but still

Chains of ice suckkksss

[outer sky]

As a rogue idc too much about it but that sounds miserable on my ww monk

[molten hedge]

Yeah

Step goated

[outer sky]

Personally I dont think any ranged spec should ever have a slow stronger than any melee spec unless its tied to a significant cooldown

A warrior main friend of mine says the meta is completely miserable for them

Right now even when they connect their damage isnt super scary

[outer sky]

Tiger's Lust should probably be buffed to be an actual freedom rather than just a root break

[snow harness]

80%?

[outer sky]

Yep that is not a typo

[snow harness]

tf

we lost scatter tho

so we need that

[outer sky]

They need to revamp this shit.

[snow harness]

with the pruning, it feels liek micro / roots have alot more value now

then they did previously

[outer sky]

Cap all melee slows at 50% unless theyre tied to a major cooldown and cap all ranged slows at 35% unless they are tied to a major cooldown

And no slows greater than 70%

Ever

[snow harness]

except for mm

[outer sky]

Nah fuck that

[snow harness]

ooh nvm ur sayin a proposed change lol

[outer sky]

If they made a change like this they could also make monk disable and warrior hamstring auto proc during their rotation. Right now it feels so clunky having to press them with them being on the GCD. But it kinda has to be this way now. But generally it's not fair that rogues and mages just passively slow everyone the entire game but those classes have to spam globals to keep people slowed

[jolly sierra]

i just got humillated bt a fkn hunter kiting me to death

fucker just ran away w consecutive or freezing trap + disengage

[potent pivot]

think i finally got this shit finished

[spring bough]

try out ellese yet?

[hidden moth]

Link

[potent pivot]

Not yet. Got the next couple days off work gonna catch up on a bunch of stuff

[potent pivot]

Watcha mean

Also should I start a UI thread? Once I finish my pvp focused UI?

Could maybe include multiple variations

[spring bough]

love how the only bugsack errors i have right now are blizz damage meter......

midnight tours finally done time to craft

[outer sky]

2 more pieces unti Slylie Coyote is fully honor geared

then i need to do this new leveling strat on my hunter

not having meld actually does feel kind of bad

theres been a handful of games I lost that I could have won if I had meld to get back into stealth and reset

[snow harness]

was it a marxman hunter

[harsh kiln]

deathstalker still bugged for Sub?

in pvp

[potent pivot]

It’s bugged regardless

[harsh kiln]

thanks

[potent pivot]

For both assa and sub ye

[harsh kiln]

is root and disarm the same dr now?

[mystic shoal]

YES

[snow harness]

anyone know of a reliable way to phase hop?

tryna get this rare mob pet on my hunter lol

[jolly sierra]

try chromie time

i did tbc to get loque-nahak, was phased

[snow harness]

well im tryna get a pet in zulaman midnight zone

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LZN-fDcCVsg

[outer sky]

I didnt watch the clip. Do you have to be BM to tame this one or can any hunter spec do it?

And is it actually good.

Does it have the MS?

[potent pivot]

WM on/off.

Or join a group with someone on a different phase. They have to be in the same zone as you though

[outer sky]

Also are you even sure he can be tamed?

Online hes not listed as "tamable"

[latent patrol]

he cant be tamed himself, but other creatures with his same model can be

[molten hedge]

It’s hard to get on a good shard

Bc only 6 ppl can tag the mobs

And you’ll have randoms leeching

[outer sky]

So is it the go to or nah?

Because idk if i can level another one man

[molten hedge]

Like IF you can get a good shard and realm

[outer sky]

Im burnt out

[molten hedge]

It’s absolutely cracked

18-30 min lvls

[outer sky]

And I assume thats just pure RNG

[molten hedge]

You can just try joining groups

Harder for me bc I have a couple accts

And they see one is inactive

I saw a video where you can make a class trial on an RP realm and do some shit to get your own shard

But looks like Blizz nerfed that

[potent pivot]

I had no problems last night

[molten hedge]

Any tips @potent pivot

I had bad luck. My friends found a good group after 5 or 10

[potent pivot]

Just join an existing group that’s already established on a shard

[outer sky]

Hes on the French-Canadian server

[potent pivot]

Server doesn’t even matter what

[molten hedge]

Lol

[outer sky]

Does it not? I thought the shards were based on servers

[molten hedge]

I realm transferred an alt to the lowest population realm NA

[potent pivot]

No

[molten hedge]

Haven’t tested it

But ik they have a lot of realms mixed nowadays

[outer sky]

Which one is that?

Like kil'jaeden?

[molten hedge]

Earthen something

[outer sky]

Ah

[molten hedge]

It has 10k less than argent dawn

[potent pivot]

Realms don’t matter

[outer sky]

I have a friend on Llane

Ive never even heard of that realm

[molten hedge]

How do I manipulate shards

[potent pivot]

The leader of my group last night was on illidan

[molten hedge]

The problem is when random ass ppl come tag shit

[potent pivot]

Shards are the only thing that matters

[molten hedge]

And there’s monks

Spinning crane kicking and stealing mobs

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean you can’t really get around that, someone can come grief it regardless of your shard

But I think that happening is on the rarer end

[molten hedge]

Any clue how to change a shard

Ive always wondered how the boosters do it

[potent pivot]

Everyone drop group and have a different person from the group pick up lead and re invite

[outer sky]

Do people just not have any thing better to do besides grief another groups alt leveling like wtf

[potent pivot]

There’s more advanced ways of doing it too

Since you have alt accounts

[molten hedge]

I’ve done that in groups of 5 and never had luck. But it was on siren isle

[potent pivot]

Just do the same thing with your alt account

[molten hedge]

Which is very popular

[potent pivot]

You just have to pick the person that’s on a different shard after dropping group

Sometimes not everyone insta shard switches

[molten hedge]

Can u tell when mobs and stuff phase out

Is that the shard changing

[potent pivot]

But like when I left my group last night, I was instantly on another shard looking at a different group

[molten hedge]

I’ve been on siren isle when that happens but I didn’t do anything. Almost like them changing shards changed my shard

[potent pivot]

You won’t be able to see the players you were just with

[molten hedge]

So one at a time, I drop group then if it looks not busy I invite them all

If I drop and it’s bad then I rejoin and someone else drops

[potent pivot]

Sure

[molten hedge]

And tries that

[potent pivot]

But

Iirc the person that becomes the new lead has to invite from scratch

For it to work

[molten hedge]

Right so everyone drops

Got it

[potent pivot]

Yes

That way it doesn’t hang the shard and put you on the same one

I think siren isle sharding was different than usual

[snow harness]

someone commented on supatease vid saying that he can be tamed

i have never tried it myself cus the rare is always missing

[potent pivot]

So you NEEDED another acc

[snow harness]

are you sure on this info? where can i find another model like his

[potent pivot]

But idk I’m def not an expert with shard stuff

I just ran a lot of crate groups

And would have to teach people how to find us new zone shards

Siren isle was always a bitch

All the other zones were normal

Classic had a WeakAura that would shard swap you at the click of a button, idk how it worked but I wish we had that

[molten hedge]

Yeah I wish I knew more bc I like to help out the homies. I’m not advertising anything I just helped ppl lvl for free

Bc I lvl mine at the same time

Between mine and some friends, I lvled 30 alts at the end of last ssn lol

[potent pivot]

We can run a group later if u want

[outer sky]

I want to join

!!

[potent pivot]

If u already got homies it’s all good

Maybe I can help @outer sky’s pohboy ass

[outer sky]

Yes please

[latent patrol]

https://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id=mukleech_4

[potent pivot]

I’ll prolly be on in like 2-3 hrs

I need to finish my campaign

[outer sky]

Ok sick

I will be too

[potent pivot]

I’m at 14/17 chapters on the main

[snow harness]

ty m8, im tryna find co-ords for one

the site aint really showing me exactly where to go

[latent patrol]

actually this one looks like the right color not that first one

[potent pivot]

@molten hedge u gotta do the entire campaign on alt accounts too don’t u

[snow harness]

just tamed one, only thing is

they dont get big like the triny vermin rare does, are you 100% sure you cant tame tiny vermin?

PS:

do i kill this monk peacefully fishing?

[latent patrol]

yes kill the monk

but also that ones a different recolor

[snow harness]

yea im gona try find the other color, but the tiny vermin rare gets really big

thats what i was aiming for, im gonna try tame him once i see him

[latent patrol]

even if you could tame him he wont grow big unfortunately

[snow harness]

🙁

[latent patrol]

you can get the same model/color but not the massive one

[snow harness]

woah, kind of neat

thats like, free damage over other pets right? lol

[outer sky]

If you arent sure Tiny Vermin can be tamed, then that means you've never seen him tamed. So then even if he can be tamed, how do you know that he would be any bigger than these other ones of the same model? Its very common for a tamed beast to shrink in size considerably after being tamed. It wouldnt surprise me at all if, even if you could tame Tiny Vermin, that doing so would shrink him down to the same size as the one you already tamed.

[snow harness]

true

the exotic ability of this pet family is dope

[molten hedge]

To get to the other zones? Yeah I multiboxxed it sucked

[potent pivot]

Yeah and just get WQs and all that shit

[molten hedge]

At least it’s only once per account though @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

I’m not looking forward to doing the last 3 chapters on my first acc let alone all 17 a second time

[outer sky]

Id hire Casey Anthony to babysit my kids before I'd do that campaign for a 2nd time

[stoic spruce]

That can be arranged

[outer sky]

Just realized most people in here probably arent old enough to even get that joke

[sharp sierra]

uh i didnt know you can ilvl 180 gear for a fresh level 80

that would have made a difference leveling

[stoic spruce]

Absolutely not lolol

Funny though

[sharp sierra]

What no

Just need max level to skip it

[outer sky]

Alt accounts

Not alts on the same account

Different battle net

[molten hedge]

The last 3 aren’t too bad in voidstorm

The dungeon took a hot minute

But it’s only bc I didn’t know the last boss mechanic. You play “tennis”

Just go in the blue ground aoe to “hit” the orb past the middle line to the NPCs

[molten hedge]

Same bnet actually! At least for my main 2 accts. But diff accounts. I share all my mogs and mounts which is nice if I wanna farm something

[outer sky]

Oh that is nice

I didnt know you could do that

[molten hedge]

Yeah you can have a lot of them on one bnet

Can also recruit a friend yourself and get some free game time every few months as well as summoning each other below a certain lvl

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

It’s kinda wild the amount of downtime we have this expansion and the amount of campaign

[potent pivot]

Ye they even share mogs n shit

[outer sky]

especially with how short the expansion is

spending half of it just waiting

@spring bough @vocal surge either of y'all around? Slylie Coyote needs a team to farm 2 more pieces of honor gear

[spring bough]

Can’t tonight just finishing a prey and then heading off sorry boss

[outer sky]

rip

[vocal surge]

Im about to go to a Bible Study

[outer sky]

damn my bois abandoning me

[stoic spruce]

Ripppp

[outer sky]

Also @molten hedge you can make fun of me all you want but even Xiuni suffered the wrath of the OP Vulpera rogue https://www.twitch.tv/xiunitv/clip/GloriousBravePicklesBuddhaBar-15qZZBoaqFxELPmG

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

i need to level my guardian druid so it gets nerfed on the 17th

[outer sky]

ETA?

I havent been keeping track of time

[potent pivot]

I’ll let u know I have to unlock the zones on my alt acc

[outer sky]

Aight. I'll be up for a while

[potent pivot]

That or knock out the last 3 chapters of campaign on main

[sharp sierra]

lowkey wanna level a hanir for the bear form lol

[potent pivot]

Gonna get home in an hr or so and get started

[outer sky]

Yeah thats sick

[snow harness]

lmao you can have 100% uptime on a 80% slow with marx

[outer sky]

Thats on the hunter tree not the MM tree so shouldnt any hunter be able to do that?

[snow harness]

na its an honor talent specific to mm

60% base for all hunters tho

[hybrid sapphire]

this enchant mimics amazingly that stealth shield we used to have in like SL

[outer sky]

Doesnt seem very reliable

[hybrid sapphire]

i always seem to have it when i hit vanish maybe im just lucky

[outer sky]

Guys the Pyrium Weapon Chain enchantment is bugged. I can't xmog the enchant visual off for some reason

[potent pivot]

Get fucked

[outer sky]

bug report inc

[lime oar]

that’s what u get for being a furry

[spring bough]

GG bout to be hotfixed

[outer sky]

I hope so man this glow is killin my vibe

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

is that like a special card version or

i rly think i'm about to build a new pc my shit has been struggling even with wow

[snow harness]

i got the rtx 3050 myself in my laptop, the 5070 must be rlly nice

[potent pivot]

great time to get fucked by ram prices

[gusty hedge]

kind of maybe they have midnight and light version think they just dropped yesterday or day befor

[outer sky]

@potent pivot Can you remind me what quest the quest chain for the OP leveling strat starts on and which quest I have to stop on?

[gusty hedge]

yeah these ram prices are fucked rn holding me back from my new build. refuse to buy

[snow harness]

@outer sky its "Are you strong" start, and stop at "in the ring"

[potent pivot]

where did u get it already

[snow harness]

the farm isnt that good anymore though, so many ppl are doing it and its hard to get tags

[outer sky]

tyty

[sharp sierra]

gpu doesnt play a giant part

getting a x3d cpu does

[snow harness]

i might try later tonight again but its been rough

[gusty hedge]

they have it on msi site but i grabbed mine from msi store on amazon prime

[potent pivot]

tellin me stuffs i already knows gang

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

my buddy would get 244 solid stable frames in the middle of dornogal

[potent pivot]

im still on a 1660 super so i want a full pc upgrade

[sharp sierra]

god damn

[potent pivot]

ram is the only issue

[sharp sierra]

thats 10 years no?

[potent pivot]

$1k for 64gb of ram rn

[sharp sierra]

i have 128gb of ddr4

my 2nd pc has 64, and my third also has 64

[snow harness]

what about your 4th pc?

[potent pivot]

ddr4 is cheaper maybe ill just get that

[sharp sierra]

broken

i bricked it

Assembly can be scary lol

[gusty hedge]

impulse buy tbh seen it said 3 left so i went in and got case n everything seen the ram prices i was like fuck this ill wait a bit longer . 4070 oc edition doing well. i want to get x3d cpu and upgrade to am5 mobo. just got thr h9 flow case on sale too. now its a waiting game for new build

wanna pop in that new GPU tho

[gusty hedge]

gotta find a good dead server
i lvld my horde rogue to 90 doing it and got my hunter to 85 before i called it for the night( need sleep for work)

wm off is the play but even then alot on different shards are doing it

[potent pivot]

says it can't be delivered to my loc

[gusty hedge]

Mf in alaska or what?!

[potent pivot]

no lol

i've never seen this before

[outer sky]

Did you mean "to the ring"?

[potent pivot]

yes

[outer sky]

ok cool

i got it

now all I need is a PvP channel discord Mod and I'm ready to go

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

its $300 cheaper on other sites

and no shipping issues

[gusty hedge]

dnt tell me that 😭 ill send this mf back tomorrow

aye if you can get it cheaper and no issue thats the play

[potent pivot]

yeah just gonna take some time to think about it ig

[modest ore]

should i be getting the honor necklace and rings? or trying to crft something like last exp

[gusty hedge]

definitely,
its a good investment if you're already lookin for an upgrade and its wow related prolly wouldn't look back on it and say it was a bad choice (especially at that -$300 knock off price)

[potent pivot]

would kinda rather get a 5070ti or 5080 for not much more $

thats the only thing that makes me think twice

cuz 70ti/80 cards have 16gb of vram or w/e

[gusty hedge]

true! better cards future proof too especially that 5080 wont have to upgrade for awhile.

[potent pivot]

i'll watch some performance vids and decide soon

those wow cards are prolly gonna be a bit limited

[outer sky]

Do they give you a cool in game mount like the old TCG cards did?

[gusty hedge]

shii lmk how it goes i got like a month return window
i thought it was just an OC 5070 wow edition nothing too special (i have 4070 oc edition currently)

[gusty hedge]

nah but that would've been nice. nothing ingame related

not even rgb 😭

[potent pivot]

oc?

[spring bough]

https://x.com/jaybeezyx/status/2030734388879638549?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

jaybeezyx (@jaybeezyx)

this trash rogue and priest spent 5 min chasing around my lvl 84 ret 2v1ing me then emoted my corpse. Pulled a classic "lemme go main rq"

▶ Play video

X · Mar 8, 2026, 7:56 PM

😂

[gusty hedge]

overclocked

its an overkill for wow unless uplay other games

[potent pivot]

ah

[outer sky]

Some places will just refund you the difference between whatever you paid and the lower price you found. I have that policy at my store. I don't take returns on firearms because thats a huge legal liability (unless I fucked up and literally sold them the wrong gun). But if a customer finds a lower advertised price from an another dealer on the exact make and model of what they bought from me in the same new in box condition within 30 days of their purchase, I'll refund the customer the difference between those prices. Only ever had to do it twice and each time it was for like $20 or something.

[sharp sierra]

Amazon method unmatched

[spring bough]

My whole computer bought off Amazon next day shipping 😂

Gpu, ram, cooling system, cpu, monitor

[sharp sierra]

My buddy refunded a bag of a rocks in his 5090

i did weights in my 7800xt 🤣

[spring bough]

And then someone buys that off the refurbished or used 😂

[sharp sierra]

(allegedly in minecraft)

i hear the EU is stupid strict about refunds tho

[snow harness]

dks are insane, bro pulled up with the whole florida zoo lol

im pumped to play my bm hunter with an unholy dk this season lol

[spring bough]

All the walking zombies

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/elenoooooooopolice-elenooooo-eleno-gif-23364285

[snow harness]

[outer sky]

For real though I wouldn't expect DK being good to last very long. That shit gets nerfed even when nobody is playing it. Like they'll just be some random patch notes and the entire pvp section is just 3 straight paragraphs of DK getting nuked from orbit. Last season was an anomaly. Wouldn't count on it happening again.

[snow harness]

next tuning is 17th right?

[sharp sierra]

I honestly think frost needed a rework over uh

or my opinion i should say

[snow harness]

might of messed up my honor gearing, im full gear but my haste is a bit to high

[outer sky]

Yeah

And theres supposed to be another shortly after

[outer sky]

They have no idea what to do with this spec

The way its designed it either kills through major defensives and is too good and needs a nerf or it doesnt do enough damage in its go to justify how useless it is outside its go

[neat laurel]

anyone know why mistweaver monks are doing 10mill damage and outdpsing dps

[outer sky]

I mean have you ever been kicked in the head? That shit hurts. What do you expect?

[neat laurel]

i mean

you're not wrong

you're also not correct but you're also not wrong

[outer sky]

Theyre going to eat shit on the 17th

[neat laurel]

okay cool

[spring bough]

The week after lol

[snow harness]

is there a setting on ui to make my tab targetting better? so im not tab targeting minions or random pets etc

[outer sky]

I thought they said the tuning was "ON" the 17th?

[outer sky]

Addons

[spring bough]

Yeah and pretty sure the week after too

[outer sky]

Tabtargetfix

Pvptabtarget

[spring bough]

Ones on heroic raids and the nexts on mythics

[potent pivot]

Not a big deal at all, gives you more leeway to not miss a global

[outer sky]

Something like that

[outer sky]

Misread this yeah

[sharp sierra]

id rather it just be a brawler, not unkillable but beefy with solid flat damage

kinda like an outlaw minus the cc

[outer sky]

Idk i kinda feel like we have enough specs like that. I think it would actually be a decent candidate to become a "mid ranged" spec like dev dh

The issue is I actually really like what frost does i just acknowledge that its extremely difficult to balance a spec like that

[stoic spruce]

I don't think that's a design thing I think blizz just sucks donkey dick at tuning DK

Neither specs are ever tuned good in pvp

[outer sky]

Unholy sometimes has its moments but theyre few and far between

I dont think i remember frost DK EVER being above B tier

[stoic spruce]

I swear that's on accident too

[outer sky]

Like

Literally ever

[sharp sierra]

worth?

i kinda like these weapons

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[outer sky]

Send it

[sharp sierra]

oh catalyt is free too

anyways to get the full purple pirate set?

from like s1

[hybrid sapphire]

i'm pretty consistently getting full-kidney kills with the new kingsbane its kinda sick

[stoic spruce]

I need to finish those sets, thx for the reminder

[sharp sierra]

this helmet with that fit

[stoic spruce]

Boooooo

[sharp sierra]

might be the move

[outer sky]

Ill believe it when i see it happen in rated arena against teams with their monitors on

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Bro thinks he's sub lol

[hybrid sapphire]

cynic

assa pride

[stoic spruce]

Don't make me tap the sign

[sharp sierra]

idk the brown kinda throws it off

[stoic spruce]

Yeah get better pants

I see the vision though

[outer sky]

"Yeah I die to air, am global starved half the game, cant CC more than 1 person at a time compared to another spec of the same class but man im getting some cheeky one shots in these pre-season skirmishes so maybe its good? Please? Maybe?"

[sharp sierra]

cant ditch the cloak....imma send it anyways and find something

[stoic spruce]

Just get new pants

It's literally that easy

[hybrid sapphire]

cant see an assa have fun without putting him down... i know how it is

[stoic spruce]

Look man

Just remember

[hybrid sapphire]

just like irl

[outer sky]

Buddy id love nothing more than for you to be right

[stoic spruce]

Don't cloak on opener

[outer sky]

Im in full blown doomer mode about assa and outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Y'all assa players gotta figure that part out

[outer sky]

I dont think ive ever been this pessimistic

[hybrid sapphire]

im thriving sister

[stoic spruce]

💅

[spring bough]

Outlaw will be fine

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is special

[outer sky]

Its this feeling. Like, when I tried assa I vanished and used cheap shot and that was just it. Made me want to log off. Felt so bad.

[spring bough]

In a good way

[outer sky]

Didn't feel like the class ive played for the last decade

[stoic spruce]

Absolutely

https://tenor.com/view/your-did-it-fail-oof-loser-you-didn't-do-it-gif-5120386489105861099

[spring bough]

Sin with no more AoE silence? Yeah I’m not even giving it a try for midnight

[hybrid sapphire]

i guess i have to carry this torch all on my own

[outer sky]

That sucks but its whatever. Im plenty used to playing the spec without that. But a single cheap shot per vanish is just unworkable.

[stoic spruce]

It's really not your fault. I don't think blizz even considered the fact shadow dance is super strong in pvp now

[outer sky]

Sub may get gutted on the 17th

[hybrid sapphire]

i am leveling a sub rogue just in case but i dont respect him. not even gonna use the same mogs

[outer sky]

And ya know what

Even if it does

It wont matter

They cant gut it enough to make up the utility gap

[stoic spruce]

They can't gut it in a way that matters

Yeah

Lol

[outer sky]

We'll just have 1 average spec and 2 trash tier specs

Fun game

[sharp sierra]

close

but not it

[stoic spruce]

You're getting there

[sharp sierra]

this color is so hard to match

[hybrid sapphire]

unironically get a skirt

[molten hedge]

my friends ocd and grimlock just queed skirms (ik its just skirms but montage and a lot of r1s are queueing skirms rn)

like 3s skirms

anyways they won 23 in a row as assa dev

[stoic spruce]

I read that as cweed and not queued

[sharp sierra]

YOOOO WAIT A MINUTE THE SHOES KINDA SAVING IT

[molten hedge]

take that as you will LOL

[hybrid sapphire]

😌

[outer sky]

Youre telling me they won 23 3v3 skirms in a row?

[molten hedge]

yea let me ask if he recorded

didnt see him stream

[outer sky]

23 3v3 skirms

Won in a row

As assa dev

[molten hedge]

i assumed it was 3v3

bc 2v2 is a meme

[stoic spruce]

I believe it tbh, it's a pretty solid match up

[molten hedge]

but it may have been 2v2

after re reading his message

that makes a lot more sense tbf

[outer sky]

I think MANY of those were 2v2

[molten hedge]

no it was either all 2s or all 3s lmao

i think assa with dev makes sense tho

assa needs stuns

dev got em

[outer sky]

Delete this

I dont want to look at it

[molten hedge]

LOL

[outer sky]

What the fuck now we're the ones that need someone to stun shit for us???

[molten hedge]

what level are you

[outer sky]

90

[molten hedge]

sadly

[molten hedge]

fr

[outer sky]

But anyway, if those are 2v2 skirms I believe it. Nobody worth a damn is queueing those. And that comp has enough cooldowns to survive a while so it can probably work

[stoic spruce]

The 2 charges of cheap should be baseline for every spec. Not a talent for sub

[molten hedge]

yea my bad i assumed it was 3v3 bc why are u messaging me about 2v2 skirms

but that makes a lot more sense

bc i was in comms earlier with my friends and 2 out of 3 got r1 last ssn and the ssn before and they were losing some skirms LOL

[outer sky]

But even if they were winning in 3v3 id just assume its because nobody has seen enough assa rogues to even know what theyre doing right now and that advantage will quickly evaporate

[outer sky]

It needs to go on the class tree

[molten hedge]

yea i would have to agree

inb4 blizz says "they cant all have it so were taking it away from sub" lmao

[stoic spruce]

I don't think it should be a talent. I think it should just be that.

[hybrid sapphire]

how about no charges and it should be how it always was...

[stoic spruce]

IDK about that

Ironically would make the sub gap bigger

[hybrid sapphire]

they take away ur mile and ur here asking for an inch... smh

[molten hedge]

then theyd have to rework dance

again

[outer sky]

Yeah thats fine too. I also think vanish can be a shorter CD now. They probably won't do that because of the defensive value of it. But before 2 minutes made sense because "you can literally spam stun everyone 3x if you vanish" but now? 2 stuns. Make that shit a 90s CD

[stoic spruce]

I'm asking for what's more realistic to their vision if WoW

I could ask for the world RN but I wont

Because I'm not getting vanish cdr back anytime soon

[outer sky]

Did any spec get fucked harder in the midnight reworks than assa and outlaw?

[hybrid sapphire]

idk but probably sp since they always get screwed over

[sharp sierra]

okay last post before i go to tmog channel and ask lol

undead battle rogue? vision?

[stoic spruce]

Maybe a better angle?

[stoic spruce]

That's a lot better

[outer sky]

Sp is cookin' right now

[hybrid sapphire]

they whine about everything so i wouldnt know

[stoic spruce]

Reminds me of a class I know

[outer sky]

Bro ret paladins are whining because they merged divine protection with shield of vengeance.

The horror. Now they dont have to macro them together anymore!!

[molten hedge]

i think mage lost the most

but theyre still good somehow

[stoic spruce]

They're mage

[molten hedge]

they lost a ton of shit

[stoic spruce]

They're always good

[sharp sierra]

[stoic spruce]

You really think blizz would do em dirty enough?

[outer sky]

Which spec has a talent that lets them ignore the cooldown on polymorph?

[stoic spruce]

That sounds like an Arcane thing

[molten hedge]

yea i hear you. not every spec has spammable cc though. just playing devils advocate. sp, shamans, every melee except feral, dev dh, etc

[sharp sierra]

what do you mean

[stoic spruce]

I assume the worst from mage

[outer sky]

Which class had it and no longer does and received no compensation?

[molten hedge]

fair

[outer sky]

Well he said mage lost the most which means they must've lost more than us which means at least 2 of their specs must not be able to spam sheep anymore

[sharp sierra]

poly doesnt have a cooldown

[outer sky]

I mean thats the logical conclusion

[outer sky]

Exactly

[sharp sierra]

oh hahaha

sorry

i log into my mage to check too haha

[molten hedge]

brother

[sharp sierra]

They lost a lot of defensives

[molten hedge]

yes a ton

[outer sky]

Name 2

[molten hedge]

more than anyone

[sharp sierra]

they are technically the squishest class in the game

[outer sky]

Didn't they only ever have 3 defensives? Block, alter, shield?

[sharp sierra]

mass barrier, and mirror images

[outer sky]

And I guess caut for fire

Oh yeah I forgot about images

[stoic spruce]

Tankiness doesn't matter when you can't connect in the first place

[sharp sierra]

Losing knockback one sucks too

[snow harness]

im tryna learn the arcane dream and man i just get 1 shot lol

[sharp sierra]

i keep trying to press it

[snow harness]

granted im not full gear, but mages take alot of dmg

[sharp sierra]

and forget lol

[snow harness]

frost way easier to play

i just press ray of frost xd

[stoic spruce]

Frost is insanely tough rn

I swear they take no damage

[snow harness]

yea they have alot more utility and kite it seems

im gonna try fire

apparently its good

[outer sky]

They kind of have to. Theyre so slippery that if you catch them they need to take the dick. Thats why MM hunter hard counters them. MM is basically a warrior that doesnt need to connect

Eat mages alive

[snow harness]

yep mm hunt biggest kryptonite

[outer sky]

The pet sac change was the biggest fire mage buff in years

[stoic spruce]

We need to like

We meaning they

[sharp sierra]

mage kinda drops when there isnt a whole lot of solid melee specs

like now

[stoic spruce]

Need to gut DK mobility and super buff their DMG and surv against casters to make them anti-casters again

[snow harness]

buff dk damage? excuse me lol

[outer sky]

Yeah their mobility is insane rn

[stoic spruce]

Fym I get 2 horses but ams is just a CC prevention?

Like

The higher you go on DK, your defenses become CC prevention and not actual survival tools

It's so dumb

[molten hedge]

mage also lost blast wave

block heal

the thing that reduces their cds

name escapes me atm

[stoic spruce]

Absolutely

[outer sky]

This is one of the greatest changes they've made

[stoic spruce]

Slow moving killing machine is peak DK

[sharp sierra]

im okay with them having anti magic defense but not melee

i mean more magic defense

and less physical

[snow harness]

dk damage is insane rn

[stoic spruce]

You're ignoring half of my statement

[molten hedge]

whats the thing that reduces all mages cds

[stoic spruce]

Ideally so

[molten hedge]

cant think of it

that they channel

[outer sky]

Theyre the same thing these days. What specs are only melee damage? Warrior and WW monk. Even hunters now with black arrow lose damage to AMS. Outlaw fatebound coins, etc.

[sharp sierra]

anyone wanna slam some ai brawls, gotta max out for the expected super insane outlaw buffs

[potent pivot]

shifting power?

[snow harness]

outlaw is a funny clase cus you get to shoot your pistol and flick a coin at people

[sharp sierra]

thats true didnt think about that

[molten hedge]

yea thank you

[snow harness]

assa get fatebound to i think

[molten hedge]

anyways we just listed like 7 thinks that mages lost lol

thats a hell of a lot of utility

[snow harness]

we got ray of frost tho

so its all good

[outer sky]

Yeah but even if they didnt, ams still eats kingsbane and envenoms

[snow harness]

as long as u dont get kicked on ray, its gg

frost / rog actually sounds so fun in 2s, just lining up that ray lol

[stoic spruce]

Isn't kingsbane a bleed or something?

[outer sky]

Poison dot

And an initial hit of nature damage

[potent pivot]

zic

the shadowguard delve is up today

can just solo that

[outer sky]

But ya know what? Id give it all back to them to get rid of blink stun. Which they now have 2 charges of. I tried to 1v1 a mage the other day and it legitimately felt impossible. I think it actually may be impossible. I didnt see a win condition. Every stun DR my stun would get blinked, then my 2nd stun would get blinked, then id get rooted/slowed, sheeped, bursted. If I got too close it was db/sheep or db/ring. And if I did connect it was mage shields and alter time.

[outer sky]

How long does it stay up?

[potent pivot]

idk

until daily reset i think

[hybrid sapphire]

back on my sub rogue... anytime cheap shot... just like how it should be

[outer sky]

So it changes daily?

[potent pivot]

yes

[stoic spruce]

Lowkey makes me want to send death threats and get banned

I hate them so much

[potent pivot]

there's like 3 different rotations u can find inside the delve

today its on the good one

lots of guids on YT on how to do it

its faster than the ring

[molten hedge]

thats what im doing

thats why i asked u earlier what lvl you were @outer sky

[outer sky]

Oh on the toon I want to level?

80

I got two 90s

5 more to go

[potent pivot]

https://www.twitch.tv/zorthas

this guy is doing it rn

just copy him

[molten hedge]

im sure you would. but im also sure they would give up blink stun in a heartbeat if it meant getting all their kit back. ik you played casters long ago, but its been a while. i think you're a bit biased being a melee. and idt being able to 1v1 a mage is the end all be all for ppl like us that enjoy arena and not dueling. you are correct to me it feels like mage is not a viable kill target for a lot of rog comps now.

[molten hedge]

im 86 and 85 youre welcome to afk lol

but idk if youll get less xp since im 5-6 lvls ahead of you

[outer sky]

I dont think theyre a viable kill target for any melee tbh

Maybe DK

And ret but thats not melee

Im not saying the game should be balanced around 1v1s im just saying its an extremely one sided match up

[molten hedge]

didnt feel horrible on my feral, but ofc im not 1 shotting anything on feral haha just widdling them down

yea they omega counter us now

BUT i will say

[outer sky]

The only way I could ever beat a mage team is by killing something else

[molten hedge]

takign blink stun feels horrible

bc they cant cast when blinking

only during shimmer

blizz is dumb tho

they made the more tanky option a shorter cd

like shimmer should be lower cd than blink all day

[outer sky]

Blizzard isnt thinking about pvp when they make those decisions

Thats why it happens

[hybrid sapphire]

same as it ever was

[molten hedge]

even in pve blink stun has more value than shimmer

it should have a longer cd

[outer sky]

Maybe they'll change it

I just hate that they can blink BOTH stuns

Becasue I used to be able to get kills when theyre low with the DR stun

Or I could watch and see if they blink

Without getting stunned

And punish it

Stun them

Now they can blink that one too

[molten hedge]

i loved being on my feral against mages bc they cant poly me, cant slow me, and i can root/vortex them for uptime lol

felt way better

[outer sky]

It even feels better on my sv hunter

But thats only partially melee

WW feels HORRIBLE

even worse than rogue

[molten hedge]

oh i bet

[potent pivot]

Is there anywhere to see when the delve is on the calamity rotation

We gotta set up a damn notification for it at this point

[snow harness]

sv hunter's most fun and best ability is trackers net xd

with the pruning, i feel like that net has good value becus it cant be dispelled

[potent pivot]

Wildfire bomb legendary from shadowlands is unmatched

[snow harness]

or craven strategem

lol

i miss that thing

[stoic spruce]

I dont

Counter every go with a feign

[outer sky]

Breaking on any damage at all is tough in this meta.

[stoic spruce]

Ggs so skillz

[sharp sierra]

okay maybe haste for the extra global would be good

i stand corrected sorry

[outer sky]

LOL I remember that shit. Hunter feigns and all my bleeds fall off and im just energy starved not able to press anything

Like who comes up with this shit

[potent pivot]

it feels so good imo

[stoic spruce]

I wish there was a quantifiable way to know for sure who got carried by absolutely busted legendaries

[outer sky]

I got my very first 2400 thanks to the 100% crit legendary

Good times

Omg

Who here remembers the earth ele legendary shamans had OMG

[stoic spruce]

Dude

I have an ancient meme from that time

One sec

[snow harness]

if i recall the trackers net had pretty good absorbption unless they changed it

i was testing out bm hunter tenacity pet with kindred beast talent, and in arena you get bonus 60k hp which is actually kinda insane

• 3% dmg reduction

you lose freedom but pretty gnarly tankiness

[outer sky]

It says in the tooltip it breaks on any damage taken

[snow harness]

the devs are lyin

[frozen walrus]

Question about Spell DMG

[stoic spruce]

@outer sky

[frozen walrus]

If Spell A does 100 dmg. Then a buff icreases its dmg by 125%. Does it multiply it by 1.25 or 2.25? Will it do 125 dmg or 225 dmg?

[snow harness]

LOLOLOL

bro, we can never forget the rock ele

that shit was cooked

[outer sky]

Lmfao

[snow harness]

out of everything in slands rock ele took teh cake

[stoic spruce]

Top 3 for sure

[potent pivot]

if something increases it by 125% then it's increased by 125%

[outer sky]

it would do 225 damage

[stoic spruce]

Rock ele, Hunter feign, that angel leggo for priests

[frozen walrus]

Thank you!

[outer sky]

pre nerf convoke, ret wog

[stoic spruce]

Legendaries

[outer sky]

ah

idk i think our 100% crit leggo was up there

[snow harness]

fav 2 abilities were echoing reprimand pre-nerf, and mind games

i think mages had a legendary that made them immortal to

triple barrier

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah....

[outer sky]

https://www.twitch.tv/partywafflesx/clip/PoliteSucculentStrawberryPeteZaroll-5iEo3Dt94GJUvz25?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

heres me using the 100% crit leggo to global partywaffles

[stoic spruce]

Mage ran that, priest ran angel, and rogue ran that crit leggo

[outer sky]

i didnt even bother running a dps trinket

i ran BM

didnt need anymore damage

[stoic spruce]

Amazing

Rmps only counter was UHDK because it could manually place raise abom, denying their go and pressing slappy hands so they couldn't kite

[outer sky]

we had marked for death back then. So it was Kidney>farm max combo points>vanish for crits>vendetta (off gcd)>envenom>marked for death>envenom

[stoic spruce]

Denying their opener

[outer sky]

with system shock

[outer sky]

I remember that

100% chance of getting pulled out of stealth

[stoic spruce]

This was after

Though still applied

I remember that nerf like it was yesterday, they made it so it griped while the DK was stunned to make up for it

The good ol days of queuing into rmp and putting abom at the gate and knocking the rogue and mage out of stealth

[sharp sierra]

didnt even realize nimble fury did that much in aoe lmao

[outer sky]

@potent pivot Should I do the lowest or highest level of the shadowguard delve?

[potent pivot]

tier 1

[snow harness]

just died in .2 on my mage, interesting breakdown

[outer sky]

i'm getting like 5% of a level per clear

is that normal?

or should I be getting more

?

[potent pivot]

idk

u should be clearing it in 1-2 min

insta drop group to get ported out, re-enter

there's a macro u can use to leave

i haven't grabbed it yet

[molten hedge]

u can jhust leave delve

right click portrait

[potent pivot]

ik

there's a macro to do it

[molten hedge]

5% for the entire thing

or just the first pull

[outer sky]

thats all youre supposed to do right?

[molten hedge]

i think more ppl do that yea

i just pull the whole thing on my guardian

bc its just more entertaining lmfao

[potent pivot]

you just do all the first few packs with elites or somethin

4-5 packs or so

[outer sky]

is there a way to make Valeera passive?

shes like pulling threat from me

stunning shit

[potent pivot]

also u should do ur delve world tour first

while ur low level and op

but save that info for next char ig idk

[potent pivot]

r u sub

try assa

[outer sky]

I'm survival

[molten hedge]

u have her on heals or dps

[potent pivot]

oh

[outer sky]

heals

@potent pivot heres the macro to leave a delve fast

/run C_PartyInfo.DelveTeleportOut()

[snow harness]

man locks are so tanky

kind of want to lvl mine

how is the ring farm?

might try it again

[potent pivot]

found out what the exploit was that ppl were abusing in harandar

its from a campaign quest where u fly and shoot mobs

the vehicle ability kills players not just mobs

[potent pivot]

do the shadowguard farm

aff is insane for it

[snow harness]

btter then ring?

was prob gonna spec demo

[potent pivot]

NA has like ~8hr of the correct shadowguard rotation rn

why would u care about spec for lvling

[snow harness]

fun

what is shadowguard

a adelve?

[potent pivot]

ye

[outer sky]

this actually isnt so bad

get em grouped up and boomstick just kills everything

[snow harness]

whats the xp / hr

i might try it out

cant decide if i want to lvl my sp or lock, my sp is already 84

[potent pivot]

1.2-1.5m/hr

[snow harness]

dang that is good

all the way up to 90?

[potent pivot]

just spec aff

can get sub 1 minute reps

[snow harness]

do xp rates stay that way all the way to 90

[potent pivot]

idfk man

[snow harness]

i was peaking 1.5m at ring before everyone came to it

[potent pivot]

its better than ring

[outer sky]

the only thing thats annoying is Valeera keeps pulling aggro

like

bitch

i specd you healer

why are you pulling mobs off me

[potent pivot]

yea i think kalvish is giga wrong about the 4th apex btw

when u land supercharged evis->supercharged evis or sup tech->sup evis it feels omega

or multiple procs per dance in general

[outer sky]

Yeah ive been playing it and it definitely does feel really good. But I have to wonder, wouldnt that increase the value of mastery? Because we're pressing a lot more finishers

if they hit like piss it feels kinda bad

[potent pivot]

not enough to matter no

you'd hit 2 per dance less as well

more haste = more attack speed = more shadow tech

[outer sky]

true

[potent pivot]

like the entire feedback loop of haste on sub is just insane now

[outer sky]

ok I figured out the strat

for this delve

I pull all the mobs

I feign

they all swap to Valeera

insta kill her

then they swap back to me and group up

and I can aoe them all down at once

no stragglers

[potent pivot]

btw

these are cracked for wpvp

thats a fucking truckload of agi

[outer sky]

This is so satisfying omg

[molten hedge]

I found those earlier too niceee

also void touched drums

for 15% haste every 10 mins

and theres flasks for 165 vers, haste, or mast

been stacking all 3 its good

[outer sky]

The binding shot

[potent pivot]

u can stack 3 flasks at once?

[molten hedge]

no

i meant you have the option to get vers haste or mast sorry @potent pivot

buttt you can stack lights potential, a flask, and a drum at once which pumps

with shadowguard i usually only use one per pull bc using all 3 feels like a waste for such a small pull

[sharp sierra]

vanish shield talent feels way better than the other one

[molten hedge]

It’s nice bc it gives you enough of a shield to sit the full vanish and it not break to dots

[outer sky]

Yeah I agree. It synergies really well with the vanish heal, you basically cant die through vanish which makes it feel like a real defensive. And also you get 6s where dots can't pull you out

[sharp sierra]

didnt even think about the dots

thats solid for waiting on a shadow dance cooldown

[molten hedge]

Or To step a teammate and live

Learned that from zicore

Like if a rog bombs you, u can trinket vanish and step healer. Also learned from him. Solid Strat

To greed cloak

[outer sky]

Even more solid as sub. Longer step range, and dont need vanish for dps

[sharp sierra]

love how 3 of the outlaws here are on murkio now lmao

literally every person has a different build

[molten hedge]

For sure

It did feel bad as Assa

[outer sky]

That talent is based on a conduit power from shadowlands by the same name. When it first came out it was absolutely amazing. The absorb shield had no timer on it. It lasted "as long as you remain in stealth" and it was a big shield so you generally didn't have to worry about breaking. AND it proc'd off getting stealth in any way. Vanish, meld, or just combat dropping and you pressing stealth. So if you ever got into stealth you would never be pulled out by dots. They literally didnt matter.

[pastel burrow]

Wait does assa still use vanish for DPS in midnight? Only looked at outlaw and sub

[outer sky]

Kinda. You still get bigger garrotes when you apply them from stealth/subterfuge. But bleeds arent doing much damage now so its usually not going to be worth it. However assa does still have garrote silence so vanish is still a dps/CC cooldown for assa. Not purely a defensive

[pastel burrow]

Ah fuck right the silence still exists

IC is gone now right

[outer sky]

Yes

[potent pivot]

IC is now CT

[pastel burrow]

Crazy world

[potent pivot]

CT is now IC

[outer sky]

But it doesnt spread the silence

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter

just answering the question at hand

[outer sky]

I figured he was asking in the context of aoe silence

Im actually shocked garrote silence survived the cc pruning

[pastel burrow]

Bit of both, good to know so cheers both of you

[outer sky]

I thought that would go before cheap shot would get a cooldown

[pastel burrow]

Garrote silence still existing is nuts yeah I thought that'd go

But I guess IC spreading it effortlessly was the main offender in their eyes

[outer sky]

People have been bitching about spammable garrote silence long before IC was a thing

[potent pivot]

idk now rogue has no aoe stops for m+ which is all they care about anyway

i think people put too much thought into blizzard's reasoning for some things

[pastel burrow]

We have aoe blind- oh..........

Nevermind......

[outer sky]

The spammable aoe silence was more OP in BGs I think. Because in arena most good caster teams are going to 40 yard triangle you so youre not actually getting huge value out of aoe garrote silence unless they really fuck up. But in BGs team fights it could be really gassed

Sometimes into shit like frost mage/caster comps i didnt even take IC

Because I knew id never get to cleave with it

[sharp sierra]

@vocal surge @gusty hedge @spring bough i see some guys on murlok running ambush and dropping blade rush/prep, thoughts?

[outer sky]

Ya know back in my day, rogues were considered mandatory for keys because they had the most utility

Oh how the times have changed

[sharp sierra]

half of them not even running gravedigger wtf

[vocal surge]

Energy expensive, but possible to run

[outer sky]

I love how no matter what time of day or night it is you can always ping 3 regulars in this channel and at least 1 will respond within minutes

[sharp sierra]

lamoooo no other pvp chat like it

considering those 3 guys are the ones on murlok too haha

[sharp sierra]

half of them drop gravedigger too that seems odd to me

unless ambush is slapping rn

im gonna try it tomorrow

[outer sky]

I know. This is by far the most active chat in a class discords pvp channel. Could you imagine if we weren't the least played class in the game?

[sharp sierra]

[vocal surge]

Real

[sharp sierra]

its insane how every other spec is cookie cutter but outlaw is different between each person lol

[potent pivot]

this has, like, never been the case

[sharp sierra]

i kinda like blade rush too but i guess we wont even run 4 set

and i aint dropping KS ever

too fun

[outer sky]

Yes it was

In BFA

It was absolutely the case

Every meta dungeon route used shroud

And outlaw was the only class that could lock down a mob by itself

Only spec*

[vocal surge]

Everyone's taking Gravedigger

[outer sky]

There was even 1 dungeon that xpac where you needed a rogue to unlock cages to get buffs

[vocal surge]

from what im seeing

[outer sky]

No rogue no buffs

[vocal surge]

But tbf, its probably preseason experimentation

[outer sky]

In BFA groups would sit in lfg for hours waiting for a rogue they were so mandatory

People complained about it

[sharp sierra]

i swear to god murlok was saying 3 now it shows 4