pvp

[severe helm]

yeah you can play it its just different from what rogue traditionally used to do

assa probably is the least changed since it was already less setup focused

but as far as like rogue goes in traditional comps like rmp, subs the only real choice

[outer sky]

doesnt he say this no matter what though?

[potent pivot]

Naw

[severe helm]

but yeah if its burst is good ofc it can be good

[broken otter]

Well, to be fair, I'm interested in viability, not Rogue class fantasy

[severe helm]

but thats just how any melee spec works

[broken otter]

I mostly just plan on Blitz rlly

[severe helm]

in the past rogue was good even with bad damage

but I think subs the only spec that thats true for now

since outlaw/assa lost so much utility

especially outlaw

oh in blitz you can prob just play whatever

[broken otter]

I also plan to main Sub (on my Rogue, - Mage is my main), I'm just looking for offspec variety.

[ocean thunder]

To be honest, sub feels much more mobile and flexible than assa at the moment. Plus, much more CC.
Maybe it was that way before too, I didnt play much sub, but i dont think ther's a dmg gap in favour of assa

Now the real question, which healer to level up after rogue? mw, hpala, some sort of priest ? I hear MW is op and priest is a bit meh

[potent pivot]

I think you’d be surprised

[ocean thunder]

In the next couple of days i will try to do pvp as assa to test it out more - again I have been solely playing assa for maaaaaany seasons

[outer sky]

Are these all the delves?

[potent pivot]

Those are the delves quests you’re supposed to save for later in the leveling process yeah

[outer sky]

what is the benefit to holding them?

[ocean thunder]

do we have lvl90 talents for assa?

[outer sky]

do they give me xp

[potent pivot]

More exp

[outer sky]

if im higher lever?

[potent pivot]

Bruh

Quest exp scales

[outer sky]

I didnt know if that still happened if you leveled up after starting the quest

[potent pivot]

They’re basically the same as the pinned builds, you just plug in the missing points into apex etc

[ocean thunder]

curious on bse rogue talents, what is the 3rd final tlaent? do we go supercharger, vanish or cold blood?

[potent pivot]

Tea deeper vanish

For assa

[ocean thunder]

sure sure thnx, i will try it

[potent pivot]

I plan on testing supercharger

But it’s prolly best to use vanish/subt for silences

[ocean thunder]

Yeah i understand but the logic of supercharged lines well with the logic of big fat evenom

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[broken otter]

Sub spends their class tree talents from 81-90 on Tea branch?

[potent pivot]

Utilizing the apex well makes energy less of an issue as well for you have to be envenoming a lot

[potent pivot]

No?

[broken otter]

I just copied the pins build. So, idk

Not saying its in the pins just that I have no clue wtf im doin

[potent pivot]

Sub is supercharger/deeper/vanish

[broken otter]

Okay

[molten hedge]

Think there’s 8 total

[broken otter]

Yeah 2x per zone

[outer sky]

hmmm I only have 7

i cant find any more delves

[broken otter]

ohhhh

[outer sky]

there was only one in Harandir or w/e

[potent pivot]

You don’t do 2 delves

[broken otter]

1 in everysong and 1 in Silvermoon itself

[potent pivot]

2 of the delves get done when you do their campaign sections

[outer sky]

oh fuck

i see the other one now

[broken otter]

Ah shit I forget all about that

Fuck me haha

[molten hedge]

Is it the zul aman one

[broken otter]

Ah well

[outer sky]

No i missed the one in the eastern part of harandar

[molten hedge]

Ahh

I got to lvl 88 just doing campaign with WM off til 85

Did the delves and got 90 didn’t need to do first time crafts

[broken otter]

Does the WM bonus apply to the delve quests when u turn em in?

[molten hedge]

If you turn them in anywhere but Silvermoon prob

Which is most of them

[broken otter]

Word

[potent pivot]

A leveling speed runner made an addon

[molten hedge]

And get DMF

[potent pivot]

“Follow the arrow”

@outer sky

[molten hedge]

My friend recommend Azeroth pilot reloaded

[outer sky]

Ive used that before. The OG version

[broken otter]

Man, I've lost count of the times I've instinctively gone to apply Rupture :(

[molten hedge]

Gotta think less

Lmao

[broken otter]

haha

[molten hedge]

I used it a little it seemed good

[potent pivot]

I’d recommend trying this one

[outer sky]

ok

all 8 delves done

only gotta do this on 7 more characters

[molten hedge]

I was trying the shadow guard delve

It’s about 5-9% xp per run takes ab 4-5 mins total between running in and out

Only tried on guardian

A rog would prob get rolled

[sharp sierra]

Yes save them till you are about 25% into 88

If any is left over just do the profession quests

• dark moon quest

[outer sky]

Oh is the dark moon fair active rn? Can I get the 10% xp boost?

[sharp sierra]

Yup

[outer sky]

Also why would it matter if im 1% into level 88 or 25%

[potent pivot]

Nope

[outer sky]

Turning them in would give the same xp

[sharp sierra]

Because you’ll end up at like 80% of 89

Depends on how many alts you have max

[outer sky]

Yesh but all that changes is when I get the other 20%

[sharp sierra]

Idk I’m not there yet

[outer sky]

Before or after the turn in

[potent pivot]

Turning in more of them after dinging 89

That’s why it matters

[outer sky]

Ah good point

[sharp sierra]

I’m just gonna wait to do my priest with a service

[outer sky]

Man I wish I had the dark moon buff BEFORE I just did 8 delves

[sharp sierra]

Unfortunately mine is based in Iran so doesn’t look like they’ll be up any time soon lol

[outer sky]

LOL

when they are refer me

I need a booster too

[sharp sierra]

Ah same server we share as well

Lmao

Bro I was one of their first 15 customers 😭

[outer sky]

Sholderar?

[sharp sierra]

Yee

[outer sky]

Yeah theyre good

[broken otter]

I legit was just thinking of that, today. All the poor WoW players in Iran who just wanna enjoy Midnight rn

[sharp sierra]

Considering 99% if pvp boosters are based in Brazil and Venezuela sucks when they have government issues lmao

Idk what it is with SA and being gigachad pvpers 🤣

[broken otter]

I got my first 2k in WotLK with a brazilian team

I could only speak to one of my team members

5v5s**

[sharp sierra]

How are you liking mage btw? This lowkey might be the first expac I don’t put any time into it

[broken otter]

I've mostly been doing low end PvE slop content

but in that its enjoyable

[molten hedge]

How much xp is it at low lvl?

Bc lvl 81 u need 420k xp

[broken otter]

~75k at 80

[outer sky]

At level 82 its saying 79k

[molten hedge]

Lvl 89 to 90 you need 560k or so

Yeah tbh I don’t think it matters much at all lmao

I think ppl just want something to turn in at a later level

So they don’t lose momentum

[potent pivot]

No

[outer sky]

I think at level 88 it'll be like 10k more xp

[sharp sierra]

The point is lower level quests are easier due to scaling

Those 88-90 quests are rough for time/xp

[molten hedge]

You still have to get the same overall xp

[broken otter]

What Rune said

[potent pivot]

Damage scaling

[sharp sierra]

Sure but mobs jump up on TTK

[potent pivot]

Things get slower the higher you go

So saving them for the slowest levels

[molten hedge]

You could use that same logic with any quest though

[potent pivot]

What

[molten hedge]

Say u did 5 random quests at lvl 81 (not campaign), you could save them to turn in for like 15k each

[sharp sierra]

That’s not the point

[molten hedge]

Delves take longer than those 5 quests

It’s the same thing

[potent pivot]

Bruh

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-gif-4296728269863652777

[broken otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[molten hedge]

🤣

[potent pivot]

You must be completely misunderstanding

[molten hedge]

I’m not tore up about it trickz but it’s true. You could save any quest to turn in later

Why would delves be special

[potent pivot]

….

[stoic spruce]

Instanced content has extra exp upon completion

[earnest orbit]

I'm coming back after a break for midnight and I heard that smeld was nerfed somehow for midnight. Is this a spec kit thing? Does it apply to sub as well? Just trying to get some info, haha

[outer sky]

Seems pretty straight forward. You turn in a quest and get either 79k xp or 89k xp, and you have to do the same thing to get either, may as well get the 89k

[molten hedge]

Yea and I get that

[stoic spruce]

Spec thing

[molten hedge]

Ok so the difference is like 10k per delve

[sharp sierra]

The difference is 60-70k huh

[potent pivot]

It wasn’t nerfed rogue was changed

[sharp sierra]

Quests are 16k

[molten hedge]

I’m saying just for delves

We hold them to get like 80k for all 8

It’s minmaxxing. Realistically that’s like 7 more quests it’s not that insane but I get that we’re minmaxxing

[sharp sierra]

I think you need to read the thread to understand

[potent pivot]

You do the delve early on because you kill shit way faster at lower levels. You hold the turn ins until the last bit because you kill stuff slower at higher levels and you get more exp from the turn ins.

[molten hedge]

Yeah I gotcha

[potent pivot]

And yes it applies to sub

[molten hedge]

But at the end of the day, we’re talking about 80k difference in xp (time as well but I did all the delves at 88 they weren’t that hard)

I guess I just don’t care if it takes me an extra hour to ding 90

[potent pivot]

Why would you want to waste time doing more quests if you don’t have to

[molten hedge]

Yeah for sure

[potent pivot]

Well there you go lol

Most people do

[molten hedge]

I’m spoiled I have an extra account to boost my alts

That I turn off during the ssn lmao

When will a good farm come out like siren isle

[sharp sierra]

Nah those mobs at 88-90 are a nightmare lmao

Unless you got a tank spec or giga strong dps leveling spec

[molten hedge]

If there was a fast way i prob would

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

But the delve spam is not super quick

[sharp sierra]

Oh I don’t do the delve spam

[molten hedge]

It’s not bad. But it’s nothing like siren isle

[sharp sierra]

Just the guide in the thread

[earnest orbit]

Appreciate the help, what are people playing nowadays? Orc seems nice, but might want to stay ally on this character

Regardless, gotta do some research

[potent pivot]

Probably orc but you can play whatever you want really

[molten hedge]

I haven’t done it yet. I only tested shadow delve for an hour and got a level

[potent pivot]

This is not the place man

[outer sky]

1 level per hour

[molten hedge]

What’s it taking ppl currently

[potent pivot]

7-8 hours

[molten hedge]

Per level??

[potent pivot]

No

[outer sky]

Didn't you say it could be done in 3-4?

[potent pivot]

Holy fuck how do I deal with people like this on a daily basis

[molten hedge]

♥️

Best mod

[potent pivot]

I’m saying it takes 7-8 hours through boosting services right now

And costs 1m minimum

This isn’t the place to discuss buying or selling a boost like this either

[sharp sierra]

Yeah first time doing the guild took me 7 hours

Then next alt took only 4.5

[potent pivot]

That’s self play spamming the first few packs of the delve

[outer sky]

Of shadowguard?

[potent pivot]

Yes

And I’m pretty sure people are still doing the other method over that

[outer sky]

People were saying some delves "arent active" but I just did all 8?

[potent pivot]

The delves change on the inside

[outer sky]

Ohhhh

[potent pivot]

They rotate or w/e

You need the right layout of shadow guard to do it

[outer sky]

The other method is faster?

[potent pivot]

Ya

Do 6 delves->Quest->then turn in delve quests and do first time profession crafts

[analog tapir]

when will talents be updated ?

[potent pivot]

You’re supposed to wait on 2 of the delves because u do them while questing anyway

[potent pivot]

[ocean thunder]

I played a skirmish, we kill mage and there's MW and Ret and they wouldnt die, i almost died 2-3 times and we killed them like more than 5mins later

[potent pivot]

The talents in the pins are correct you only have to plug in a few

[hybrid sapphire]

did they get rid of the pvp event in Magister's Terrace.....

[outer sky]

Ive found that a generally good way to determine which specs are overpowered is seeing which ones consistently try and win 2v3s

Because

If the people playing a certain spec

Consistently

Think a 2v3 is winnable enough to be worth their time trying

Then thats a pretty good indicator that their spec is overtuned

[ocean thunder]

I just hope they get nerfed? everywhere i see MW is S-tier

[outer sky]

A properly balanced spec generally wouldn't have whoever is playing it thinking those 2v3s are winnable

[potent pivot]

Damn people were doing 1-80 in Lemix in literally 2 minutes

That’s crazy

[broken otter]

Oh for sure MW is gonna eat shit on the 17th

[outer sky]

Mistweaver, ret, and guardian druid need the nerf hammer

Everything else is either fine or could use a buff

MAYBE demo lock could use a modest nerf

Maybe

[molten hedge]

[[whats the other method

oh i see nvm

[outer sky]

This

[molten hedge]

u just gave me ptsd

from a 3s game last ssn

rsham and uhdk

[grave basin]

My fooking eyes

You turn in those delve quests at 88.5

Cause thats when you have the sharpest drop off in player power

At 88 its like 100k per turn in and you skip all the rough edges about power scaling

[outer sky]

Im 82.5 how do I get the other 6 levels quickly without having to spam quests, delves, or random dungeons?

[grave basin]

Side quests with dmf at harandar

No other option

[molten hedge]

@outer sky gathering

but u prob have enough gold

[outer sky]

Man if you die in these delves blizzard really trolls you lol

They gave this mob a title

About the guy he killed

[grave basin]

Dying to delve mobs...

[broken otter]

If you kill the mob in "vengeance" you get a dmg buff

[spring bough]

Noob status

[grave basin]

Really need to finish my 4th 90 before dmf is over but gearing all of em with full honor gear feels so daunting

[vocal surge]

Accidents can happen lol

[outer sky]

When is dmf over

[grave basin]

Iirc it only lasts 1 week

[outer sky]

So tuesday?

[broken otter]

Sunday -> Sunday

[outer sky]

Ah

Ok rip

[broken otter]

oh wait

Sunday -> Saturday I think

23:59 EST on Saturday according to my ingame calendar

[grave basin]

Finishing hunter after work then rogue asap

[outer sky]

I already got my rogue to 90

Now im trying to level my rogue

Then when thats done I'll do my rogue on Saturday

Then I just have my rogue left

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/matrioshka-karime-pindter-karime-mtv-kari-gif-15729492365489247170

[grave basin]

You can level those when theres timewalking later

Level another class first

[outer sky]

What difference does it make? And Slylie Coyote is already level 82.5 with all 8 delve quests banked

[grave basin]

Timewalking is 30% more exp

And theres no point of playing 4 rogues at the start of the season

[outer sky]

Theres no point in playing anything at the start of the season

Lol

[grave basin]

There is

Free 1800 sets when everyone is undergeared

[outer sky]

They're free any time

[grave basin]

Free-est when everyone is basically 3/4 honor

[outer sky]

I guess

[grave basin]

Get them out of the way too

[outer sky]

But im just so not worried about having trouble hitting 1800 on any class I play that I just have a hard time considering that

[grave basin]

So what makes you consider 4 rogues then

[outer sky]

Wym?

Its mostly because my rogues are the ones im going to actually play to get real rating so having them all leveled and ready to go early is a nice "well at least thats done" thing

Everything else i kinda just meme on when im bored

[grave basin]

I dont get queueing on like more than 2 of the same class

2 to leapfrog

[outer sky]

I play 3s too not just shuffle

[grave basin]

You can 3s on 2 toons as well

Same logic no

One srs toon one for fun toon or w/e

[outer sky]

1 to push rating on with people I know

1 back up to pug when my friends arent on

1 to queue with my low xp friends who suck but are fun to play with

1 because I needed to use my level 80 boost on something and Vulpera rogue is so meme tier I couldn't help myself

[grave basin]

I have this ache in my balls that uh dk is gonna get nuked from orbit on the 17th

Its such an outlier defensively its gonna get pve nerfs that affect pvp

[outer sky]

Wouldn't be uncommon

[stoic spruce]

Literally tradition

[grave basin]

Mention uh dk summons popo

Like clockwork

[stoic spruce]

It doesn't even have to be good to be nerfed

Yeah I have a tingle in my bawls when that happens

Same with dreadblades

[grave basin]

How do you like this new design

I feel like its got zero sustain and 10x the cd power it needs

Too feast or famine imo

[stoic spruce]

It's more or less the same thing minus apoc

[potent pivot]

I feel like that’s always been unholy tho

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[grave basin]

Nah the diff now is crazy

[potent pivot]

CDs truck harder than anything in the game, outside of CDs zzz

[grave basin]

You do zero damage out of DT

And abom

[stoic spruce]

The sustained dam was a very brief part of unholy dmg in pvp

[potent pivot]

It’s back to Army like it was in SL

Nuclear burst and nothing else

[spring bough]

Army is fun tons of pets lol

[sharp sierra]

i actually liked festering wounds...

[stoic spruce]

Here's what'll happen

[grave basin]

I kinda liked it too

[spring bough]

Let’s hear it Mr DK

[grave basin]

It was more instant damage

Now you gotta wait for the ghoul to spawn and leap

[stoic spruce]

Unholy will get nerfed and people will still say it's good because it tops overall damage, meanwhile the WW will hit for 200% of your health but it's okay because it doesn't top overalls so therefore it's a much more balanced spec

[sharp sierra]

dont dks always get nerfed tho?

like at start

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[grave basin]

Ww feels really good ngl

[spring bough]

Sounds about right

[sharp sierra]

why wont they let frost get some love

[spring bough]

Even if monks get nerfed they still gonna shit dmg

[grave basin]

Got weapons and trinket bonus on my ww yestd

[sharp sierra]

frost has way more lore

[grave basin]

Felt smooth

[stoic spruce]

Because blizz is biased towards casters and DK has grip

[grave basin]

Biggest buff to ww is frost mage nerf

[sharp sierra]

they just gave festering wounds to frost

cringe

[stoic spruce]

And deathstalker

[sharp sierra]

i dont know why but i keep trying casters and it just doesnt click with me

NA issue ig

[grave basin]

You know whats the problem

[stoic spruce]

I stg I feel like that mechanic HAS to be in the game or the game just doesn't function

[grave basin]

I want warriors to be strong

[stoic spruce]

Some sort of coding thing

[grave basin]

Nah, i need warriors to be strong

To keep all the locks and sps under control

Or theyre gonna dominate s1

[stoic spruce]

That's DKs job

Anti caster by nature

[grave basin]

Dks arent doing shit

[stoic spruce]

That's why it gets shit on in tuning

[spring bough]

No ty

[grave basin]

Warrior meta is best meta

Warrior meta means less casters in shuff

[stoic spruce]

Also most dead pvp seasons

[grave basin]

Less cringe lobbies

[stoic spruce]

You want a lively pvp season, have an Hpal meta

Hpal rdruid meta

[grave basin]

Last season was hpal meta

[sharp sierra]

I dont even know what they would do with frost

[stoic spruce]

Debatable

Kick hpal win game

[grave basin]

And it was just wizards being enabled with freedom

[sharp sierra]

its basically sub with a 45 minute cooldown

wasnt frost dk okay in shadowlands?

[grave basin]

Hpal frost mage

[stoic spruce]

It had a one-shot

[grave basin]

Hpal frost mage demo/devoker

Yea no thanks

[stoic spruce]

But it was countered by literally everyone having disarm

[grave basin]

Blizzard has a hate boner towards fdk

[stoic spruce]

There's a screenshot to prove it

[grave basin]

Nerf chill streak

[stoic spruce]

You can make that exact statement with literally any spec in the game

Tanks included

But they singled out fdk because aug existed

And dev

Don't worry yall

They turned a new leaf

They'll wait an extra tuning pass to nerf dk

[grave basin]

Im scared mr po

[sharp sierra]

NA debuff just cant get me into any caster

[stoic spruce]

Good

[sharp sierra]

boutta play dev at this point xD

[stoic spruce]

You're supposed to be scared

You actually get used to it

[vocal surge]

Slamming 50k DPS ST on raid bosses

without consumes xD

[stoic spruce]

We were talking about it the other day with dk bugs still being unfixed while mage had a waterfall of fixes

[sharp sierra]

if they buff outlaw ill gladly go back

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw already does decent dmg tbh

Middle of the pack. Very safe place to be for sure

Underperforming in pve I think so we could actually get buffed

[sharp sierra]

oh i dont really care for pve

sub is just 1/4th the worth for 10x the result

[grave basin]

Sub is gonna get nuked too let be real

Blizzard absolutely hates sub

Sub nerfs and assa buffs

[stoic spruce]

You should care

[sharp sierra]

thats why i maxed honor lmao

[grave basin]

Another assa expac

[stoic spruce]

It's tuning effects pvp 9 times out of 10

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

Sub in pvp

You know that

[sharp sierra]

oh sorry i didnt mean it like that

mean i just dont play pve but ik it affects the rest of the game

[grave basin]

Blizzard really likes it when assa is meta for some reason

Since DF

Theyve systematically nerfed sub patch after patch while assa gets to reign for so many patches

Maybe sub is just too polarising when its not just a stun bot

[stoic spruce]

Frankly I wish sub just didn't exist

[sharp sierra]

Outlaws rotation feels fresh and fun but doing all that to do nothing compared to 1 button on sub feels so bad

im really hoping they buff it because id like to main it

[stoic spruce]

Oh pookie

That's just the mere reality of outlaw

Mhm mhm

@spring bough tell em

[spring bough]

Buffs u say?

lol

Lock in to play C tier every season lmaoooo

[stoic spruce]

Nah

I'm thinking high B low A

[grave basin]

In pvp?

Low A?

[spring bough]

I hope would be nice

[grave basin]

[sharp sierra]

as someone thats never broken past 2100 i need any advantage i can get xD

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's rogue

Sub still triple S tier

Dw

[stoic spruce]

I'll call John Blizzard and tell him to buff you specifically

[gleaming sentinel]

eliitte outlaw grind begins in just a couple weeks boys

[stoic spruce]

I'll play for the weapons

[gleaming sentinel]

oh theey sick this season or what

[stoic spruce]

They're pretty good

[grave basin]

Last season's looked better imo

Except the 1h sword

Everything else looked really good

[stoic spruce]

Idek what last seasons looked like

[grave basin]

Did you pve

[stoic spruce]

I didn't do shit lol

I got bored waiting for a queue at 1200 and logged out and never logged back in

[grave basin]

Last season was one of the best elite weapons since df s3/4

Was like neon red glow on all the weapons

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I didn't really care for any of it

Not a big fan of void or void esque stuff

[grave basin]

1200...am?

[stoic spruce]

So naturally I was predisposed to not playing

[stoic spruce]

Cr

[sharp sierra]

yo honestly if they just made KS do crazy damage thatd be enough for me lol

or bte, i hate getting 3 procs for health bars to stay the same

[grave basin]

Thats why ww this season feels good and unholy feels ass

You press rsk and healthbars move

[gleaming sentinel]

the illusion is SO sick

[grave basin]

Meanwhile SS SS SS SS

[grave basin]

The gold from boosts is gonna be wild

[sharp sierra]

ill be your first customer lmao

[stoic spruce]

No me

I'll check and see if he's good for it

[grave basin]

Its an insane illusion im glad it isnt poop colored

[stoic spruce]

Dw I got you

[gleaming sentinel]

i cant find the weapons

[grave basin]

The weps are really bad

[stoic spruce]

No u

[grave basin]

Theyre pretty basic

[stoic spruce]

YOURE basic

Ever think of that?

[gleaming sentinel]

ugh i gotta level a heale for the medic pennant

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=265629/galactic-gladiators-sword

I mean its alright

[gleaming sentinel]

oh thats heat, i like the basic ones

WAIT, the penants arent toys anymore

FUCK

https://klipy.com/gifs/tantrum-throwing-a-fit

[stoic spruce]

Get owned

[stoic spruce]

I like the ribbon

[grave basin]

Looks like a quest reward compared to tww s3

[stoic spruce]

You sir are high as a kite

Also

[sharp sierra]

yeah ngl those red swords were fire

[gleaming sentinel]

is there an axe

[stoic spruce]

I feel like

Almost everything in S3 we had before but was slightly altered

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=248348/astral-gladiators-greatsword

How do you beat that color

[potent pivot]

The lightning was dope on these man

They are so hit or miss with cosmetics idgi

[grave basin]

The aura of having these weapon tints in the future

Will be unmatched

[stoic spruce]

Needs teal

[grave basin]

Assuming its like the 2h axe but smaller

[stoic spruce]

But like

A teal that doesn't match with any of the other teals in the game

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=265638/galactic-gladiators-greataxe

How do you make that dope 2h sword and this poop axe

Just 1 tier after

[severe helm]

Axe

[grave basin]

How is that not random dungeon axe #1937

[stoic spruce]

I don't see what's wrong with it

[gleaming sentinel]

now we're talkin

[grave basin]

Theres nothing great about it either

[stoic spruce]

Why is less flashy inherently bad?

[gleaming sentinel]

yea idk i like the simple ones

[stoic spruce]

I have so so so many weapons that are extremely flashy, why should I get a hard on for MORE flashy weapons

Makes no sense

Less is more to me

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t have to be flashy but too simple is meh

[stoic spruce]

So it has to be flashy

I've yet to see a good middle ground

That's a lie

[gleaming sentinel]

meanwhile i use warglaives and look super flashy

[stoic spruce]

There's like 3 that are a good middle ground

I still use seascourge

[gleaming sentinel]

show

[stoic spruce]

The perfect balance imo

One sec

[grave basin]

You can make simple stuff thats not flashy but still have a cool factor

[grave basin]

Like the black overcoat from LOU patch

[sharp sierra]

wtf

what are those

[stoic spruce]

Promise of the Seascourge

[outer sky]

Dreadblades?

[grave basin]

Artifact wep

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

I use that

And

These

Wtb good mobile wowhead

[potent pivot]

Goodluck lmao

That website is so ass on mobile

It’ll make my phone temp rise

[stoic spruce]

Went looking for those models and I gotta put my phone in the freezer

Never again

I'll just have to poorly explain the models next time

[stoic spruce]

So sick

[grave basin]

Legit weapons youd get from some halls of lightning dungeon in wotlk

[stoic spruce]

It's not the acquisition that matters

[grave basin]

Yea im talking about quality

Weapons pre DF almost always look like ass with a few exceptions

[spring bough]

A stick?

[grave basin]

Bespoke weapons like legion leggos

[stoic spruce]

Look at this

The eyes twinkle

[stoic spruce]

That's mobile wowhead

In game they're much better

[grave basin]

I need my weapon to glow from space or its unplayable

[stoic spruce]

I need everyone to have the same opinions as me

[grave basin]

How do you even see those weps in game?

Do you play with xaryucam

[stoic spruce]

Wdym

You don't look at your weapons?

[spring bough]

Imagine if one winked

[stoic spruce]

I don't play super zoomed out

[stoic spruce]

Hot

[gleaming sentinel]

i use these glaives or the nunchucks lol

[grave basin]

I cant even see them on most models unless its a big 2h

[stoic spruce]

Blind

[grave basin]

Cause im playing with max zoom

[hybrid sapphire]

how has assa been in BGs friends

[hidden moth]

more exp or no for t1 vs t3 delve

[stoic spruce]

This dude plays in 1st person and has the balls to criticize peak

[grave basin]

T1 delve better for the shadowgaurd farming

[potent pivot]

Not worth

[hidden moth]

they took my boy outback

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-the-flowers-twd-carl-sad-gif-13413320

[grave basin]

You mean 3rd person

[hybrid sapphire]

pls no bb

[potent pivot]

Fine so far

[hybrid sapphire]

🤔

[stoic spruce]

I should do a key in 1st person

[hidden moth]

assa is fine in pvp just dislike the playstyle they gave it going into midnight

[hybrid sapphire]

which is what

[potent pivot]

Envenom

[hidden moth]

no "real" vanish windows + crimson tempest is no longer a giga dot/ spreading bleeds a bit more toxic if targets uber spread

[gleaming sentinel]

horde mw monk is the highest dmg in the bg lol

[hidden moth]

whats glad mount

[hybrid sapphire]

bruh how is assa in pve... not good right? theyre gonna buff our energy regen soon right

[potent pivot]

Think it’s fine

[hidden moth]

no lol

this is the regen they want it at

they want u to "think about ur gcds"

and basically do envenom, mut mut... let 3 gcds go by envenom mut mut... press nothing for 3 more gcds

[hybrid sapphire]

kms

[hidden moth]

yeah assa has been droped from being my pvp main ngl

possibly rogue all together

[potent pivot]

Have u played it at 90

It’s not that bad at all

[hidden moth]

did on beta

but thats the idea of the spec

envenom, build 5 cp and wait to reup envenom till u have .0001 second remaining on the current buff

[potent pivot]

Naw not quite

Pooling is only worth +1.5% dps anyway

[hidden moth]

already know some pve cucks gonna yell at me for not pooling

[potent pivot]

Nah lol

Even in SL pooling was worth ~2% dps

[hidden moth]

didnt play sl rogue

clossest thing to current rogue ive done was some wotlk assa

[potent pivot]

SL assa was very similar to rn

[hidden moth]

but like was cooler and

actually got to use more than 1 cheap shot per vanish

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Sub came out on top again

Get over it pookie

[potent pivot]

Implacable gives a lot of energy too

[stoic spruce]

Happens all the time

[hidden moth]

if u get it rolling

[stoic spruce]

This is WARRR

[potent pivot]

I’ll make you eat these words

[stoic spruce]

I'm rather hungry anyway

[potent pivot]

Next time they nerf outlaw

“Get over it pookie”

[stoic spruce]

I already am

In fact

I already doomed about The Last Titan changes

[hidden moth]

?

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

also isnt sub generally the go to spec

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats what I said

[potent pivot]

?

[hidden moth]

even more now since its brain dead with 0 set up and only 2 buttons for cds

[stoic spruce]

I'm so ahead of the curve it's insane

[hidden moth]

in wows history sub has been the go to pvp spec for most of the lifetime

sub was the pvp spec for vanilla tbc wotlk cata dunno mop but im sure it was up there

[potent pivot]

Idk about all that

[hidden moth]

ik vanilla - cata sub was the play

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t say that matters

No one cares about 20 year old stuff

[stoic spruce]

Anytime assa or outlaw is above sub, it's because no one knows how busted sub is

[hidden moth]

i mean sure but when looking at history of a class and its 3 specs

[stoic spruce]

Not only that, but when outlaw and assa lose stuff, sub gains

[hidden moth]

historically sub has been the pvp spec of rogue

same with frost for mage

disc for priest

etc

[stoic spruce]

Dude

That's what im saying

[potent pivot]

I just don’t think this is true for the last few expansions

[hidden moth]

sub was destroying assa rogue left right n center for bgb in s1 and s2

[potent pivot]

Blitz

[stoic spruce]

Sub gained disarm and gouge since SL. Now with the Midnight changes, it's the only spec that has semi regular access to cheapshot

On top of having 2 charges

It's a sub rmp world

And what do we do?

We live in it

[stoic spruce]

I'm almost positive sub gained more and I'm just blanking rn

2m smoke bombs

[potent pivot]

It already had disarm no?

[stoic spruce]

No they got it in SL

Because everyone but sub rogues agreed sub didn't need disarm

Same with gouge

And yall almost had AoE kidney

[potent pivot]

Oh ye that’s what I meant

[stoic spruce]

Ye they got it then

Speaking of pvp talents

[potent pivot]

Ic

[stoic spruce]

I lowkey don't see a purpose in them these days

Except for like

Tanks in bgb

They kill the good ones and keep the mid ones

They could totally be pve talents

[potent pivot]

Let me disarm the fookin boss mate

[stoic spruce]

That's what I'm sayin

[outer sky]

Every rogue spec got it in SL

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw had it for years

Before sl

[outer sky]

right i forgot about that

but assa also got it in SL

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Assa can have it

Sub didn't need it

[outer sky]

idk i think disarm in general is kinda fried in its current configuration. The cooldown is way too short. The fact that you can script it with like, literally every single doomwinds, or every single pillar of frost, thats just such a bad design

You should have to think about when you use your disarm

[strange trellis]

Wasnt Dismantle given to all specs back in WotLK? I know Subtlety had it

looked it up... apparently it was sub only back then?

[stoic spruce]

It got taken away

I think in Legion, it was Outlaw only

[outer sky]

correct

[stoic spruce]

And Outlaw didn't have sap

But it did have parlay

Not that they're equal but it's just interesting

[pastel burrow]

completely forgot about this

wild times

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Loved it

[outer sky]

Level 90 losing a 1v1 to a level 82

[potent pivot]

Scaling be like that sometimes

[proven field]

if the 82 is in glad gear from last season, he's likely way stronger than the 90 in WPVP

[outer sky]

I just 1v2d a level 90n ele sham and a level 84 destro lock

twice

i killed them

they both rezzed

to kill me

i killed them again

Slylie Coyote is a menace bois

[potent pivot]

Open world scaling is very scuffed

It’s not very hard for a lvl 80 to kill a lvl 90

[outer sky]

They need to get rid of this crap man

just let the level you are be the level you are

[potent pivot]

yea it can be kinda wonky

[strange trellis]

It never made sense for scaling like that to affect PvP...

[proven field]

that feeling back in vanilla of being a 46 rogue and beating a 60 in WPVP because you were fucking awesome at it

[potent pivot]

i still remember the first time i ever logged into the game on my own (not on a homie's acc)

started a night elf rogue and began leveling, like a couple hours into it i ran across this guy sitting in the night elf zone

was like an undead warlock or some shit

his level was just a skull, sat there attacking him for like 5 min not moving his hp bar in the slightest 💀

[stoic spruce]

I might be crazy but didn't you also take damage from just attacking that high a level?

[potent pivot]

not that i remember no

[proven field]

seeing a dude with shoulderpads and going "uh oh, what level does skull mean"

[stoic spruce]

The good ol days

All your attacks missing

[sharp sierra]

alright buddy i want you to level an alt with that supposed route

and time it

cause AINT NO WAY

[hybrid sapphire]

this is so dumb idk why they dont make the main storyline get you to at least 89

[potent pivot]

people have been using that route all week

[stoic spruce]

They want you in the world they worked to make

Rather than put you on a straight line

[hybrid sapphire]

i wanna go brrrrrrrrrrrr

[stoic spruce]

You have a year and a half to go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lol

[hybrid sapphire]

😿

[stoic spruce]

Goober!

[hybrid sapphire]

do BGs still give xp

[grave basin]

Yes

[hybrid sapphire]

[potent pivot]

outlaw talents lookin rough eh

[stoic spruce]

They're all equal in power

Captones included

[potent pivot]

from here down its like

kinda hard to decide

[hidden moth]

3 40 minute lfg dungons later
90

[potent pivot]

yea fuck dungeons rn

nocap

3 boss dungeon? 45 minute endeavor

fuckin crazy

[hidden moth]

gonna level the priest via mining + herbing

[stoic spruce]

Fast action over KS for sure

[hidden moth]

"heaven forbid u do real content that takes longer than 5 minutes" - my friends

[stoic spruce]

Are you playing trickster?

[potent pivot]

haven't seen anyone using it so far

[stoic spruce]

KS hasn't been doing anything either

Pad maybe

@spring bough I have a job for you and you're the only one crazy enough to do it

[potent pivot]

k pins updated

[outer sky]

Guys since the darkmoon fair ends on Saturday night, if im not level 88 by then should I just turn the delve quests in early to benefit from the darkmoon fair xp buff?

[sharp sierra]

woah woah you cant diss my double ks window

[vocal surge]

What's the job?

[vocal surge]

Also this

[sharp sierra]

gets stunned

bruh my auto quest addon turned in my fucking delve quest

[vocal surge]

F

[stoic spruce]

Just did

I'll do it again if you speak up

Matter of fact

KS SUCKS

[potent pivot]

you won't be 88 by saturday?

[stoic spruce]

Just in case you thought I was bluffing

[vocal surge]

Fite me

[outer sky]

Highly unlikely

[stoic spruce]

Have you stacked haste () and tried HO?

[outer sky]

I get like 1.5 levels and cant stand it anymore

[stoic spruce]

And ran double vanish

[outer sky]

I spent 2 and a half hours trying to get from level 82-83

[vocal surge]

Haven't done HO

[outer sky]

Because I kept getting distracted

And bored

[sharp sierra]

im convinced the guide is just for tank specs

cause aint no way

[potent pivot]

have watched a rogue do it

[sharp sierra]

im calling cap!

(i believe you but jesus christ this is taking forever)

by the time you hit 85 everything takes for ever to die

then again ive only done rogue, mage and shadow

tank spec next i cant take this i want to pull the WHOLE ROOM

[stoic spruce]

This is what happens when you prioritize ilvl over haste with new gear

Mhm mhm

[outer sky]

Sub is just so annoying to level as

"Well I pulled all these mobs but my dance ran out so even though theyre all at like 10% hp they wont die until I get another dance in like 11 seconds"

Dance uptime is too low

CD needs to be reduced to 10s

[sharp sierra]

buddy that shit is getting nerfed

[outer sky]

Its not. They wont nerf it because that would be a pve nerf too. They may put a pvp modifier on the talent that extends its duration with haste though

[lone jasper]

everyone who uses the BBP addon, aren’t you getting annoyed by the error spam in bgs?

[sharp sierra]

no i like knowing my healers are cc'd across the map

[snow harness]

yo m8s

two things i need: dance timer (used to have a WA), and 2nd thing is being able to see my combo points on top of my character

idk why thats gone now lol

any help?

[potent pivot]

on top of your character?

[snow harness]

ye

or like

[potent pivot]

you can make a dance timer with the base ui now i'm pretty sure

[snow harness]

under my character

[potent pivot]

there's multiple ways to display combo points

[snow harness]

can u gimi a quick one

and also how do i make dance timer with base ui

i want everything to be on top / beside my charactar

[snow harness]

thats the cooldown of it , what i mean is like

[potent pivot]

i know

[snow harness]

ops

[snow harness]

where is that in settings

do i go into edit mode for that?

[potent pivot]

yes

or advanced cooldown settings

[snow harness]

where do you see that

im loooking for it but cant find

[potent pivot]

you really don't even need a bar if you use the cooldown manager properly

it'll display the buff uptime like on mine

[snow harness]

yea i dont want the bar, just the icon

and the timer of it

but im in my settings

i type in "cooldown settings" cant find anything like what ur showing me

[quick crypt]

Combo points on the nameplates can be enabled in BBP

[potent pivot]

i'd highly recommend getting some of the new addons

for the CDM and other stuff

[snow harness]

cdm?

[potent pivot]

cooldown manager

ignore that guy

[snow harness]

kk i got this so far

how do i remove all those other little ones tho lol

that are under my dance

[potent pivot]

right click them in the menu

[snow harness]

ahh kk im removing all of them

how do i get them back tho, if i want?

wait nvm, i got it lol srry im kinda dumb

[potent pivot]

[snow harness]

i dont usually have the combo points over the enemy i dont think, i cant remember if it was over my head, or under my characater

it was 2nd nature to me but i cant actually recall where they were on my screen lol

i dont think it was above the enemys head tho

[potent pivot]

usually under

[snow harness]

it doesnt let me move the dance though in edit mode deos it?

yea i think itwa sunder

do you know a way i can get my comb points under me again?

btw, sub rog is legit cracked. im 91 item level with 80k hp, and im 1shotting 180k hp warlocks in the opener in skrims rn

i cant wait to be 90 and have gear lol

[potent pivot]

level scaling is scuffy

[snow harness]

yea that could be it to

[potent pivot]

there's multiple ways to display combo points

[snow harness]

i like to think its my natural rogue prowess / being good at the game but ye

[potent pivot]

you can use the base ui resource bar

[snow harness]

i tried that, but it looks weird, i cant get it under me either

[potent pivot]

you can use nugcombobar

[snow harness]

it wont move

[potent pivot]

sensei resource bar

etc

[snow harness]

i dont think i can move the dance either can i?

[potent pivot]

you can

[snow harness]

how, im in edit mode

[potent pivot]

idk whats wrong with yours

i've always been able to move mine

[snow harness]

ooh this is why

i had resource bar / cooldown manager unticked before

so i couldnt move them

is there a way to change icon size?

[potent pivot]

click it

[snow harness]

perfect, this is exactly how i like it.

now final question for this matter, is there a way to make the icon dissapear and only pop up when the cooldown is in use?

aka, only when im dancing

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[snow harness]

dang kk

[potent pivot]

maybe with addons

but base setting you can only hide it in/out of combat

[potent pivot]

actually, try ticking the "hide when inactive" box

if you have that

idk if thats from my addon or not

[snow harness]

dont see anything like that

the options are very limited

[potent pivot]

no, in edit mode

[snow harness]

you can only pick out of these ones, and you can move / change icon size

[snow harness]

ahh

oooh

[potent pivot]

its not that drop down no

[snow harness]

on tracked buffs you have that option

[potent pivot]

ya

[snow harness]

i was using it as essential cooldown

ill use it as a tracked buff, makes more sense

[potent pivot]

put it on tracked buff

ye

[snow harness]

uhh

im gettin same thing actually lol

[potent pivot]

not on the drop down.........

you already have the check box ticked

[sharp sierra]

[snow harness]

sry, ye this is dope tho

now i just need to get resource bar under me lol

which i think blizz has in ui

i cant set it up

i can*

[potent pivot]

there's a ton of options for that

[snow harness]

i have both of these on "Tracked buffs", is there a way i can split them up like

take them apart and put the cloak somewhere else?

i wanted it in a diff location

nice were getting better here

[potent pivot]

uhh

[snow harness]

i guess i can put cloak under essentiall cooldownss

since its a seperate thing

not sure if u can actually take them apart, if their under the same cateogry

wait no, cus essential cooldowns is always visible no matter what, the idea is i want to have cloak show up as a buff when its active, not always be there

so it would have to be beside the dance in buffs i guess

[potent pivot]

you will probably need addons to do everything you want to do

[snow harness]

im glad was able to get the rsource bar/dance thing setup tho, those two things will get me to glad

[potent pivot]

the new addons are still kinda in beginning stages but

[snow harness]

yea all i need from the sarena is just to see the DR's on enemy frames

[potent pivot]

we will basically back to where we were before the changes, minus stuff like omnibar/weakauras

[snow harness]

so i know when i can stun them again

does blizz ui have DRs on enemy frame?

also, did symbols of death just get completely remoevd?

[potent pivot]

what do you mean by enemy frame

[potent pivot]

yes, so did rupture

and flag

[snow harness]

nice

so we cant triple cheap anymore cus cheap has a cd now

but you can double stun. cheap > dance, re-stun etc

[potent pivot]

i ask because technically sarena frames ARE enemy frames

so what do you mean by frames

[snow harness]

like the sarena frame

or gladius, w.e ppl would use

the frames that are on the right side of screen that show dr

[potent pivot]

those already show DRs?

[snow harness]

ye ik but im wondering if blizz has default for that

or if i need Sarena addon

[potent pivot]

i think they do now but they're still pretty shit, idek, didn't bother looking tbh

[snow harness]

word kk

[potent pivot]

gladius updated by sammers

is gladius now

[snow harness]

never really liked gladius, id always use sarena personally

all i need to do, is see their stun dr easily on my screen without clutter

so i will open on them, get their trinket, then ill gouge them and run behind a pillar, wait 20 secs until stun dr is up. and then try again

on repeat until i get the glad mount

[potent pivot]

_>

[snow harness]

na but fr i actually really like this iteration of sub

and just wow midight in general seems really good so far.

how long is our kidney in pvp btw? i swear i kidneyd a guyi n arena for 7 seconds

maybe he wasnt orc tho idk

[potent pivot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/things-that-never-happened-jeopardy

[molten hedge]

He must be playing the secret kidney I thought they got rid of that

[snow harness]

im not trolling

[molten hedge]

The Spleen Shot

[potent pivot]

kidney is 5sec max now

[snow harness]

are u sure?

[molten hedge]

It was PvE if it was that long

[snow harness]

na man

arena

skrim

[potent pivot]

yes im 1000% positive

[molten hedge]

Oh

A dragon

Dev

[snow harness]

was a lock

[molten hedge]

He oppressed

[snow harness]

but i dont think he was orc

[molten hedge]

That’s the only way