pvp

[outer sky]

Yeah

Sp 3.5 hours

[vocal surge]

Oh, that I dont know

[outer sky]

But verm are you a decently geared level 90?

[vocal surge]

+3s are the max for lvl 80 - 89

+7 is the current max

[outer sky]

Oh lol

Rip

[vocal surge]

Yeee

And for the current patch, I am decently geared

[outer sky]

Back to waiting to get speed leveled

[vocal surge]

Ilvl 225

With 2 trinkets better than the ilvl 246 one

[gusty hedge]

this shit is nasty in wpvp and i just picked some random ass talents too

[spring bough]

+8 delves aren’t out yet? Do they release on season start?

[potent pivot]

delve level does not change exp much at all

you can 100% do a rogue in 4hr or less

[outer sky]

Like an hour or an hour and a half. And you can be afk

[potent pivot]

thats IF they find a method

if they don't you'll be afking for 5 hours as they do dungeons

the cost doesn't

the longer it takes the boosters to level boost you, the more gold it costs

[outer sky]

Gold in wow doesnt matter. Its so easy to make

[potent pivot]

idk i don't buy level boosts unless they're like 100k

just do that shit myself if it isn't egregious

like i bought a bunch during mop remix cuz they were 70k

didn't play memix just got the chars out of it

[gleaming sentinel]

1 character Andy this season

[potent pivot]

rogues/dk/dh thats prolly it for me

maybe a lock later on for the mog

[outer sky]

Do you boost? Its like printing gold. People pay 2-2.5mil to get carried from 0-1600

Then like another 2.5m to get 1600-1800

Idk how every pvper isnt rich

Gold is basically free for us

[potent pivot]

I taught you how to boost youngster

[outer sky]

You did?

[potent pivot]

Ya

Yw

[outer sky]

I don't remember that but thanks

[potent pivot]

I look at it like

It’s going to take my time to boost for the gold

[sharp sierra]

okay yeah frost mage is actually broken leveling

[potent pivot]

So I don’t spend it willynilly if I can do something myself easily

[sharp sierra]

my fault for saying otherwise

[vocal surge]

Ye, on season start in 2 weeks

[potent pivot]

I’d def rather spend 4 hrs leveling than 1 hr boosting some random ngl

[outer sky]

See id rather boost the noobie

[potent pivot]

I usually boost for like a gold cap per season that I play

That shits usually gone quick

From buying mogs n random shit

[outer sky]

I'm gunna buy a tiger this season

[potent pivot]

Buy a spectral tiger nub

[outer sky]

Kinda wanted the SZT

[potent pivot]

spectral prices are insane

last i checked it was like 140-150m

[vocal surge]

Got a buddy that plays disc priest?

[outer sky]

watcha mean?

[vocal surge]

2 or 3 man delve boosts for GV

[outer sky]

GV?

[sharp sierra]

i do

[spring bough]

Vault

[odd yew]

What's the thought process with stats now for sub? vers/mast then what else on the gear if no mastery?

[potent pivot]

Haste to 13%, then vers/mast

[odd yew]

Oh shit haste #1 THEN mast?

[potent pivot]

Yes

And that’s not going to be fully understood until later in the season

Everyone has to test the differences between 5%/13%/30% haste

There’s multiple breakpoints

[outer sky]

Oh I forgot about that

I haven't looted one since they took away the pvp rewards

[fervent cobalt]

I went to the upgrade guy didnt let me go past like 230 or some shit on base geaqr

[vocal surge]

Great Vault

[vocal surge]

We can slam +7 delves

[sharp sierra]

its not leveld yet LOL

[vocal surge]

F

[vocal surge]

You down to do it thou?

Ezpz +220 gear for alts

[sharp sierra]

I’d have to level it no?

[vocal surge]

Ye

Go level it so we can slam delves later lol

[sharp sierra]

bro this leveling shit does not take 4 hours wtf its gotta be way longer

[potent pivot]

i think this might unironically be operator error

[sharp sierra]

im just gonna slam dungeons

[potent pivot]

zorthas did it in 4

[sharp sierra]

this questing it says to do gives shit xp

[potent pivot]

did you pick the zone to do the campaign in?

[sharp sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

at the table

idk i watched zorthas do one of his alts in 4hr

whaazz did one in 3hr

[sharp sierra]

probably had more xp bonues

[potent pivot]

i mean yea but that doesn't make it way longer

thats the difference of like an hour or less

[analog tapir]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sobbing-357

[hidden moth]

ibest honor farm atm?

[vocal surge]

Training Grounds BG + War Mode Crates

[hidden moth]

rgr

[spring bough]

6 dps on 1 mistweaver monk

what does his health drop to

what do you think the lowest we got him was

[hidden moth]

90%

[spring bough]

nah not that bad like 30% for 2 min lol

most of the time he was 100%

just bursting on this dude health not even moving

[spring bough]

Deep wind gorge new or updated?

[sharp sierra]

[vocal surge]

F

[proven field]

and in the realm of 'absolute fucking bullshit', I present to you, five healers vs half of one:

not sure how that's remotely possible, but on Twin Peaks of all levels, it was fucking terrible

[sharp sierra]

its a bug people are abusing

i had 5 alliance gdruids yesterday in a bg

wanted to cry

[vocal surge]

Slamming people in Skirms lol

Dude

I just had 7 aces in a row

if I had critted on my killing Blow

It would've been a 200k Between the Eyes

[outer sky]

Holy shit @potent pivot they literally hotfixed this while I was still online. I still have my last one active. Went to rebuff it since there was only 6 minutes left and it didnt work. Saw the tooltip changed to this

[potent pivot]

you utter dickhead

i bought a shitload

i said this was gonna happen to idk why i bought them

[marble oasis]

@outer sky why you gotta ruin stuff for us man!

it's all your fault for posting it on here. i'm getting the garrote ready

[potent pivot]

all his fault smh my head

[marble oasis]

blizzard would 100% have never found out. Can't believe this man

[potent pivot]

wait mine just straight up disappeared lmao

[marble oasis]

nerfed and robbed

[potent pivot]

Syndicator says i have them in my bags

i do not have them in my bags

[vocal surge]

How many you bought?

[outer sky]

Our ONLY loss has been to a dumbfuck ret paladin

@potent pivot Ban please

[potent pivot]

!ban @sharp sierra scam spam

[marble oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[outer sky]

Btw dont buy and use the new honor flasks. The buff goes away when you enter an arena

[potent pivot]

its just chain bot spam

ppl click a scam link in their disc DMs and its rip

[severe helm]

@potent pivot you see aoe blind is gone?

[potent pivot]

did they fix it?

they removed the aoe part from the tooltip but it was still doing aoe i think

[severe helm]

yeup fixed

literally today

afaik

so now your choices are short cd short duration blind

or gouge

so obviously the choice is only gouge

lol

essentially deleted the talent

[spring bough]

lol blizz just fucking hates rogue

No fun league strikes again stfg

[sharp sierra]

what was the damage difference between you and outlaw lmao

on average

[outer sky]

Oh I smoked him every game no contest

[sharp sierra]

@potent pivot was the dude you watched playing a fucking or something 😭

literally just finished the second part

he had to have left something off the guide

[potent pivot]

nop

just fast

[dark kernel]

is the Honor farming meta literally the AI matches...

is this real

[vocal surge]

Yes

Bring Saltwater pots

for more dps

[potent pivot]

are u queuing dungeons while u do it

[sharp sierra]

no

[potent pivot]

oh

cuz that'd prolly slow u down

so i thought maybe that was it

[sharp sierra]

could be that i cant mass pull on mage without needing to heal

like on sub i could pull half the map and be fine lmao

[potent pivot]

Kite

[proven field]

you guys get the social contract again? every time I get it, I feel it's blizzard's subtle way of saying "someone reported you for something, even ironic jokes gotta be decent"

[potent pivot]

I feel like I get it every time I take a break from the game lol

[dark moon]

If you were reported, you'd receive a warning ingame if i remember correct

[sharp sierra]

watched another video on it which is exactly the same but they say the 25% is needed to end off correctly where the guides say you do

so just need to quest some more

[potent pivot]

yee you just do some extra quests in the middle

i think zorthas said in the clip i have in the thread what zone to do more quests in if u need to

[proven field]

a loss for the alliance but a win for my crappy assa style!

[outer sky]

Damn those guys did 0 damage my lord

[proven field]

yeah was a lot of taking 1-2 guys with me before the ass pounding came

[potent pivot]

https://x.com/SouzaCarlosTV/status/2028943027096490318

Carlos (@SouzaCarlosTV)

Si usas Details, la actualización mala del otro día puede haberte creado un archivo basura de entre 1GB o incluso 500GB (no es coña)

Para borarrlo ve a:
Carpeta donde tengas el juego -> WTF -> Account -> Tu Cuenta -> SavedVariables

Aquí ya comprueba en cada carpeta de cada

X · Mar 3, 2026, 9:18 PM

details issues causing lag and wasting space^

[grave basin]

I uninstalled that shit

Its just a skin now anyway

[ocean thunder]

do crates give 150 honor at 90?

so far no recipes just 150 honor

after opening like 15 of them they feel underwhelming

[potent pivot]

wouldn't really target farm them

just go for them between AI battlegrounds

[warped gate]

Yes.

[spring bough]

I stopped using details lol

Blizz UI does everything it does 🤷‍♂️

[marsh blaze]

nerf tanks when

[gleaming sentinel]

so aoe blind just gone, rofl

cool cool

[quick crypt]

Do humans play with Insignia?

[viscid prairie]

is it possible to get combo points on enemy health bar?

[ocean thunder]

yes with better blizzplates/frames you use the personal resource, hide health / energy and you have an option to bind to enemy nameplate

but then if you put it below then you wont see the castbar, if you put it above the debuffs.
I just moved the personal resource box, hid energy/health and have it above my hero

[viscid prairie]

Okay I will look into it thank you

[ocean thunder]

What I described is for enemy nameplace. You also get the chance to have it on your target frame on the right

[viscid prairie]

yh I've got it on the unit frame but prefer it on the plate

[viscid prairie]

would it be possible to show a ss of your options? it's not moving it to the plate

[grave basin]

@outer sky killing people trying to get into delves is so cathartic

Was on my 85 monk spamming the shadowpoint delve and seeing people trying their best to scramble into the delve to not lose the dmf buff was exhilerating

[ocean thunder]

On betterblizzardplates on CVar Control there's a 'Show resource on target nameplace"
You need to have personal resource enabled on blizz ui first htough

[static holly]

How much haste was it for sub? 13 or?

Next threshold would be 20?

Oh ok it's 5/13/30

Nvm

[dark kernel]

Hmm? It was there yesterday

[viscid prairie]

legend that's worked, thanks a lot

[gleaming sentinel]

its gone, lol

[dark kernel]

Since when? There's been no patch lol

I'm so confused. I know that when they did a tool tip update it doesn't say that it's AOE but it still is

[gleaming sentinel]

sommetime in the last day, i just played and it doesnt aoe anymore

[dark kernel]

I think that's got to be a bug or something. It worked yesterday

Now. I wouldn't be surprised if they removed it, but that would be really ask for a PVE

[grave basin]

Losing your only aoe stop

Rogue stonks have never been higher

Its not like they cant do a variable blind duration for pve only

Make it like 1 second just to disrupt so youre not using it in pvp

Or even the scrapped aoe kidney

[jolly sierra]

today gotta buy midnight

just paid lol

[vocal surge]

Ye, I also can feel it

we no longer got a counter to Unholy DKs

or pet classes

[gleaming sentinel]

They hate us

[outer sky]

Not a bug. They removed the aoe part from the tool tip at prepatch for a reason

[dark kernel]

Oh well that sucks for people who PvE lol

Kind of sucks for us too, but not so much. The aoe was more incidentally nice

[vocal surge]

No more utility for M+

[gleaming sentinel]

Trash.

[potent pivot]

Those are not the thresholds. I was just making an example

There are like 4 or 5 different breakpoints

[lone jasper]

Absolutly, for pve m+ it was a good thing 🙂 we have not buff, nothing for group - even no stuns now and they removed aoe blind. Dont know what to say

[gleaming sentinel]

Dogshit man.

[outer sky]

In pve this would actually be fine if the damage was OP. I remember in BFA S1 demo lock was S tier in m+ even though they brought literally nothing for the group, not even a kick, just because their damage was like 5 combusts all at once. However, I get the impression no rogue spec has anywhere near this level of damage at the moment.

[gleaming sentinel]

Hey if RNG is just right I pump pretty hard

[potent pivot]

that kinda thing heavily depends on the dungeons/season

[gleaming sentinel]

Think I’ll just workout twice a day, fuck this shit

[potent pivot]

kicks are going to be more important now because they removed a few from specs

[outer sky]

This was back when only rsham had a kick

So same as we are now

Other healers having a kick is fairly recent

[potent pivot]

i'm just using an example man

[outer sky]

I know i know

I just feel like in pve, especially in M+ because of the timer, theres a threshold where at least theoretically enough damage can compensate for any utility loss

Even if that means the group has to build the rest of their comp around your low utility

But its a moot point because I dont think rogues are anywhere near that theoretical threshold

[potent pivot]

most of it is built around raid buffs these days

typically

[proven field]

my current BG fun setup... come at me bros because I am lovin it

[potent pivot]

would prolly drop SC for deeper at least

[proven field]

yeah SC honestly not great

[potent pivot]

otherwise seems fine enough

[proven field]

only thing I like is you can put a 48 second rupture on someone which is hilarious

I use vanish more like old outlaw - just to pump more big garrotes and more silences - and I rock deadly poison and use hemo like an idiot because also fun, I'll pull my guy over to another dude being rocked just to CT him too for the free execute, man assa is fun in teamplay

kingsbane honestly biggest letdown, not really exciting to use - deathmark is fun though

[static holly]

Isn't rogue a bit too squishy/CD-reliante for team fights (later on rated bgs e.g.)?
No aoe silence seems hard, didn't tested it

[proven field]

between evasion, cloak, DI, feint, double vanish, I tend to stick around for a while.. you don't want to run in - you hit the edges and then try to pull them to your team, spreading bleeds along the way. You gotta know when you bounce though for sure because people fucking hate rogues

[static holly]

I may try it in s2 or later in s1. Don't think (for now) assa is worth the pain

[proven field]

then again, im like, a 2k rogue on a good day, you gotta ask the ballers top level

even just a well-timed shiv on a healer being burnt just to push them... feels so good

[outer sky]

I think as sub one underrated defensive is the 20% shorter step CD and 20% longer range. I feel like i always have a step when I need to get out by stepping to my healer and hes never out of range like he sometimes would be when I played assa

[static holly]

Could work but I guess rogue will still be more about pressure by ninja / cap bases etc. Harassing someone and stopping him from capping will make more impact (my pov)

[proven field]

yeah honestly nothing more frustrating than healer running away from you when you're trying to jump out.. "dude fuck stand still!!!"

[outer sky]

or you're dying to melee and youre slowed trying to limp towards your healer to step but can't close the distance in time and youre just thinking like "come a few feet closer dumbass!!"

[static holly]

Rocket jump ftw

[outer sky]

Vulpera has an 80% slow as their racial

[static holly]

Nah. Goblin looks sick

[outer sky]

Bro

Dont make me post the pic again

This is PEAK game design

Nothing comes close

[proven field]

my VP alt:

ironically leveling as sub lol

[pastel burrow]

I miss when it did actual damage during the SL prepatch, glassing a frost mage with a vial when they think you're rooted was peak

The new slow is good too though

[outer sky]

Hey how do I level in delves?
Ive only done 1 delve all last xpac
and just the ones for the story mode this xpac
campaign
I dont understand how they work

[pastel burrow]

You get xp from mob kills as per usual and a chunk of xp upon completion

Delves also have a one time quest that you can pick up as soon as 80

They turn in for a shit ton of xp but most people don't turn them in until 87-89

[outer sky]

Whats the fastest delve for leveling rn?

[pastel burrow]

That I have no idea, depends on the stories that rotate daily

[outer sky]

@potent pivot

I need to level my Vulpera rogue asap

whats the fastest delve?

@vocal surge @spring bough

[vocal surge]

Collegiate Calamity

I can run you through the path if you want

[outer sky]

Should I run it on the lowest diff?

[exotic dove]

Guys whats the name of Midnight's honor flask? Trying to search on google Ah etc and I just keep getting last expansions or are we using last expansions still

[outer sky]

Vicious Thalassian Flask of Honor

But dont use any yet

if you use it

and you load into an arena or battleground

the buff disappears

and you waste your flask

big bug

[exotic dove]

ok thanks a bunch

also I will add a report for that bug

[spring bough]

Atal aman is quick too

[vocal surge]

how fast?

[oblique compass]

!pvp

[sharp sierra]

This the one with the bombs right?

[sharp sierra]

Not a bug lmao they removed the buff yesterday on purpose

[outer sky]

No its happening with the new ones

[sharp sierra]

Ah that’s cringe

[vocal surge]

Other one

[outer sky]

@sharp sierra

[vocal surge]

Voricatv?

Oh wait

Thalassian flask dropping

[analog tapir]

@potent pivot what are u called ingame ? like who is ur main rogue ?

[outer sky]

He won't tell you

[analog tapir]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sobbing-357

[jolly sierra]

can u guys unlock troll green skins fast now?

i already think where to go once i purchase midnight lol

[wintry summit]

they disabled old flask

[outer sky]

Yeah i posted about that yesterday and everyone blamed me for it

[strange trellis]

Disabled old Honor Flasks, AoE Blind, Goblin Glider Cloaks... ugh

[exotic dove]

LOL so those honor flasks work in training mode bgs

a friend told me and showed me via discord stream they dont go away like in skirms

[dark kernel]

That's actually disappointing

[outer sky]

Ah yes, the focal point of PvP

[dark kernel]

PvE

[exotic dove]

I didnt realize how much I enjoyed blitz and shuffle without them reg bgs without the blitz formatting is just kind of slow and boring however farming bots is even more boring

and season start is still 2 weeks away

🙁

Halfway full honor geared on the second toon though so might as well keep going

[strange trellis]

Ques are still atrocious since people are still leveling but funny enough training ground ques are still super short... great for getting your honor now I guess

[dark kernel]

Training grounds is unfortunately the best honor/hr so expect people to do only that

From the time I queue, to the time I win is exactly 10 minutes. 350 honor. Can't really beat that coming out at 2k per hour

[strange trellis]

ust 350? felt like more... was better than crate farming

[wintry summit]

ah so you are the culprit, now I blame you too

[dark kernel]

It's about 350 a win. First win is like 508

[strange trellis]

ah maybe that was it, I only did it once lol

[vocal surge]

Im at a point

where it takes 6 Delve clears to level Valeera up xD

[ocean thunder]

is there a sparks quest?

[sharp sierra]

screen shot

im at 88 on my mage i want this over with lmao

[vocal surge]

Im eating good

All Warband Bound gear ilvl 226+

Friend just made 250k gold off it

from delve recipe

and thats excluding the amount of herbs we get per run

[dark moon]

guys, what talents are we using as sub for pvp on 90?

[strange trellis]

Still Dismantle, Smoke Bomb, and Preemptive Maneuver isnt it? I dont think it changed from 80

[dark moon]

ugh

my bad, not pvp talents, but sub talents

[vocal surge]

Huge

[sharp sierra]

just for her xp or is it solid xp for you as well

[sharp sierra]

im gonna drop the deeping shadows talent tho

[dark moon]

ty

[vocal surge]

her xp

[vocal surge]

streaming if you wanna watch xD

[potent pivot]

why

[outer sky]

Yeah I'll tune in right after I'm done watching this video of paint drying

[sharp sierra]

i dont think the amount of haste needed is worth 1 extra global

[potent pivot]

you only need like 100 haste for 1 extra global

i think most people are going to go for 2 globals anyway

https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz/clip/DrabFitPrariedogVoteYea-JVtmdrddEGXoth46?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

[river pollen]

Damn i thought pvp dummies would show us our pvp stats

Seems like i need to be in bg/arena

[river pollen]

Actually they work, just not the ones in silvermoon

[vocal surge]

ez

[outer sky]

It really is. You don't need much for 1 extra global. Ideally you want to start your dance with a finisher because doing so allows you to also end it on a finisher. But that's not realistic 95% of the time because you're going to dance to cheap shot. Getting 1 extra global allows you to start the dance with a cheap shot and still end it with a finisher.

[sharp sierra]

bruh finally hit 90 on my alt

now either level up my priest or something else

[potent pivot]

I’ve heard frost mage and lock are fun

[outer sky]

No theyre super boring and not very good

[stoic spruce]

Respectively right?

[outer sky]

Nah both

You dont want to play those in pvp this season

just griefing yourself

pick up arms warrior or frost DK or something actually good

[potent pivot]

What

Everyone I’ve talked says frost is strong

I only mentioned lock because I’ve heard the gameplay is still good

[stoic spruce]

Yeah this is the first time I've heard Frost be called bad

[potent pivot]

Same

[outer sky]

its okay in pve but its trolling arena dont play it

[potent pivot]

Idk how you can even say that when rated doesn’t exist yet

But I’ve heard from a few mages it’s good so far

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

I'm trying to keep that toxic shit out of my games

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

"Mage"
"Out of arenas"

Math ain't mathing lol

Glory to sub/frost RMP

[sharp sierra]

arms?????

is your information coming from venruki?

[outer sky]

It can die 100-0 in a stun

[sharp sierra]

i think disc is next

wonder what shadow leveling is like ive always boosted it xD

[potent pivot]

It’s usually very painful

[sharp sierra]

man its the only healer i truly like besides fw lmao

[safe pelican]

Brotherrrrrr my naga 12 button just stopped fucking working cause i started using it for work 😭😭😭

I

Am

FURIOUS

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[potent pivot]

Mine has been annoying lately

The little contacts on the inside of the 12 button panel :/

[outer sky]

My 4 year old Logitech G600 is still kickin'

Phenomenal mouse

[potent pivot]

I want to try the steel series mmo mouse

[outer sky]

Id want to test it out before dropping that kinda money on a mouse

Especially since im saving up for a new gun

I paid like $60 for my G600

[potent pivot]

Can always just return it ig

I love razer nagas

They’re just kinda cumbersome for other games

[outer sky]

I find i hit buttons accidentally with that one a lot more than with my G600

I never hit a button unintentially with the G600

[potent pivot]

I don’t

[outer sky]

Do you have smaller hands?

[potent pivot]

Nope

[outer sky]

Maybe its because im so used to the G600

[analog tapir]

so every assa guy in here eeeh..how mastery u got and haste ?

[potent pivot]

You get used to it yeah

[potent pivot]

What assa guy?

[lime oar]

@proven field you’re playing assa right? can u dm me ur build tryna see if its any diff than what im doing

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[potent pivot]

There’s only 2 builds

Either you run Zoldycks/dashing+dtb or you run sudden demise+dtb

[outer sky]

Idk Trickz I was one of the highest rated assa rogues in shuffle in TWW S2 and I didnt even play deathmark lmfao

[potent pivot]

I mean actual builds not dumb stuff

[outer sky]

Was dumb enough for me to best most of the ladder

[potent pivot]

You don’t need any specific amount of crit or haste. Just put them anywhere you can’t put mastery.

[potent pivot]

Did you get r1 tho

[analog tapir]

so u use what build?

[outer sky]

Nope! That was my closest season. I finished top 10. Better than when I played deathmark and better than 99.85%of assa rogues playing it

[potent pivot]

Dashing/zoldyck+dtb

[outer sky]

I swear man putting that point in master assassin was so much better

Deathmark got good-ish in s3

Because we played fatebound

And it proc'd a coin

So even if it got insta cleansed

[analog tapir]

send code?

[potent pivot]

Pins

[outer sky]

You still got like a 2m hit out of it

[potent pivot]

Just put in the couple missing points like the apex etc

I gotta update them tn

[outer sky]

Slackin' Trickz

[potent pivot]

Been busy

Literally at work rn

[outer sky]

Yeah I dick around at work too

Not like I can get fired

I literally told a customer to "wait one sec" this week while I finished watching a YouTube short about spongebob

[analog tapir]

now the one in the pins havent been updated mate..alot of talents left to use

aa

i read now

[potent pivot]

There’s only a few points to use

[subtle warren]

are we going to use that levl 246 trinket from voidstorm in pvp?

[safe pelican]

I already envision my check being $112.99 short Friday cause there is now a void in my life 😂

I’m thinking about trying Logitech out but i fw the 12 button heavy my hand has grown accustomed to it

Why is this G600 $250 dollars and the Naga is $112

Please tell me what this mouse is doing that’s $100 superior to RAZR ( aside from killing itself from desk work after 2.5 years of slamming buttons for outlaw rogue )

[proven field]

Ya will send when I get home

[vocal surge]

Get yourself a cheap 12 button mouse xD

[potent pivot]

Is it a pve trinket? If yes, then no

We will basically never run a pve trinket in pvp again

Outside of some abnormality like blizz forgetting to nerf one in pvp, which we haven’t really seen happen in years now

[queen grail]

where is the warbound vendor

i only see the honor guy..

[vocal surge]

War Mode vendor or?

[queen grail]

yeah

war mode

[vocal surge]

Its not out yet

[queen grail]

ohhh

[vocal surge]

When S1 starts, that vendor and the Conq vendor will start selling stuff

[outer sky]

The G600 is discontinued and has been for a long time. The Naga is still being made. So there's just way less of them

[severe hazel]

does anyone have a trickster pvp import string?

[stoic spruce]

My Naga classic is an absolute tank

10/10 tbh

I beat the shit out of it a lot

[outer sky]

For sub or outlaw?

[severe hazel]

sub

[outer sky]

Pins

[severe hazel]

pins is not for lvl 90

[outer sky]

take double vanish, fill out your hero tree, and put the rest of the spec tree into your apex talents

[dark kernel]

The new ones die like every 2 years. Such a shame

I am on my third naga trinity

[stoic spruce]

I got mine in 2023 if that means anything

Idk when the drop in quality happened

[dark kernel]

You should expect the cursed left clicker failure any day now and I'm serious

[stoic spruce]

Maybe my slamming it into my desk scared it lol

[astral barn]

Am I required to tbag as a rogue in pvp

All the other ones do it to me 🥲

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Obv

Unless you're sub then it doesn't matter

Degen either way

[vocal surge]

I want to make a comment but its inappropriate lol

[wary thistle]

A true rite of passage for the discerning rouge

[stoic spruce]

Rouge

[lime oar]

rouge

[gleaming pawn]

mine lasted over 5 before the right click started going out. I am too lazy to replace the switches so I got a Naga pro v2 because it has optical switches that will never have any clicking issues

[potent pivot]

My first base naga lasted like 2 years or so

The one I’m on now is 2-3 as well and the scroll click is hit or miss

[gusty hedge]

blizz hot fixed rings randomly! i logged back in after a couple hours to find a missing ring and now the other ring is saying unique equipped. lol no compensation just robbed of gear

[dark kernel]

Is anyone here like...exceedingly well knowledged on profession stuff?

I dont know where to go with a question

[gleaming sentinel]

<Sublety Rogue>

[sharp sierra]

Do we think disc will be solid or should I level holy paladin

[dark kernel]

disc is Real solid

[gusty hedge]

had to see what the hype was about Outlaw at heart

[stoic lava]

Is outlaw cheeks

[stoic spruce]

Damage is now it's strong suit

If you want the rogue toolkit you go sub

Naturally

[potent pivot]

What’s the question? If no one here knows I can ask around

[gleaming sentinel]

I just dumpstered a sub rogue trying to gank me at a prey thing

[covert bolt]

what class apex talents do we go for after double stealth? thistle tea?

[dark kernel]

So, I have been trying to go collect all the +3 mining treasures in the world. But...like none of them are where they are supposed to be. I found 2/8, but 3 of them are just plain not existing

[potent pivot]

For what spec

[potent pivot]

Iirc some just aren’t available yet

[dark kernel]

that would be wild....hmm

[stoic spruce]

Those are capstones, totally different.

[covert bolt]

right, i meant capstones. Was just wondering what builds people were trying.

[potent pivot]

You have to specify what spec you’re asking about

[covert bolt]

Sub

[potent pivot]

Then no Tea

Forced induction+deeper strat+vanish

[covert bolt]

ty, i was pretty close with no tea. what build are you running?
This is what i have currently.

[potent pivot]

Check pins

[potent pivot]

No WM, no dark brew no finality

You need shadowcraft and Danse macabre

You also need deepening shadows and some haste

[covert bolt]

oh interesting i was curious if that talent would be used and we'd build haste

[potent pivot]

Yee

[covert bolt]

thank you 🙂

[gusty hedge]

After get this and DH gotta get my other Laws to lvl cap no max lvl rogue on horde yet

hoping rested exp is working got them all in silvermoon city on standby

[dark kernel]

Okay, somebody tell me I'm tripping or not. Blizzard changed this and didn't really comment on it?

I have to be just wrong right?

I recall it saying After Attacks that generate combo points if f or more stakcs remain your next damaging finishing move will expend them to summon a clone to mimic the attack

i am tripping

ignore me

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

i found my own image I posted from beta LOL

[molten hedge]

Is the shadow whatever delve still working

I tried at 88 and it didn’t seem to give a ton of xp but idk if it scales diff for 80-whatever

[woven copper]

This has already been fixed

Does anyone know any tips or tricks for levelling up? It's very tedious and I don't have enough time.

[grave basin]

it's still quick

[sharp sierra]

If you’re at 88 do the delves and turn them in

[sharp sierra]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1478034741302399250

[strange trellis]

Anyone got some honest opinions on how we feel in PvP atm?

[quick crypt]

Which spec?

[sharp sierra]

Besides a few outliers I feel like the balance is pretty good

The whole little by little buffs and nerfs I prefer over just giga buffing and nerfing

[strange trellis]

Any of them though I am playing Sub right now

I felt like I was smashing into walls in BGs. Once our Shadowdance is up thats it, no more damage

[sharp sierra]

Well yeah it’s a burst spec with a 20 second cooldown (not including st)

Every 20 seconds you choose who to nearly blow up

And you get 2 charges lmao

[strange trellis]

maybe I just had bad match ups. I felt useless and noticed none of the rogues in the BG was doing well

[sharp sierra]

Gotta be bad match ups ngl

Not trying to sound mean either but sub is bonkers

[strange trellis]

I had zero issues during the prepatch. I was really caught offguard how night and day it was trying to PvP with it at max

Its why I wanted others opinions to see if Im messing up or if others were experiencing the same

[sharp sierra]

There’s some specs like pally or Druid that are just a big fuck you to your burst but for the most part in BGs you should be playing objs and making people run in fear from getting deleted

Swapping from outlaw was like night and day difference lmao. I genuinely feel like a menace

[sharp sierra]

What’s your build?

[sharp sierra]

Yeah I use that one too

But yeah once your dance windows are out you are worthless and do nothing

[strange trellis]

yea basically have 12 seconds to kill someone lol

[sharp sierra]

I normally try not to waste a double dance on some one instantly. If I don’t get them down to a defensive or running away I’ll just vanish and wait a few seconds so the next dance isn’t so far away

Of course that’s in BGs, in arenas idk haven’t really done much yet been leveling alts

Very different from sin where it felt like you could keep up pressure. Feels like a completely different playstyle

[strange trellis]

Sin felt awful in prepatch, wonder how it is now at 90 lol

[sharp sierra]

I don’t think it’s horrible but sub is just miles ahead. I liked that with sin it felt more passive and slower to plan things out

Sub feels like one misclick and gg but then again I’m just getting used to it after years of sin

But who knows, the next major patch is on the 17th so sub could get gutted

Kinda the only reason I maxed out honor after getting geared so I can swap easily

[strange trellis]

fair!

[analog tapir]

did assa get more nerfed?

[warped gate]

Yooo, where's the pins for the enchants and stuff! I'm 90 and totally lost on what to do now.

[molten hedge]

I thought so, but I’ve seen multiple videos on YT released within the past day or two saying it still works. And comments that say it does as well

[analog tapir]

yeah and talent trees need update

[woven copper]

I levelled up my first character that way, but yesterday, when levelling up my twin, I felt the difference.

[lone jasper]

I tried it about 1 hour ago, its not working

[molten hedge]

Wdym by not working? Like less xp or?

[grave basin]

i literally just used it today

it's still really good if you dont wanna quest

[lone jasper]

i didnt get xp, very slow 🙂 maybe i did something wrong, dunno

any information about Gearing? share please if there is any

[molten hedge]

You reminded me I clipped Nahj apprently perfectly lmao

[lone jasper]

what file is it? how can i open it

[molten hedge]

Sec

[lone jasper]

thanks!

[molten hedge]

Np

[lone jasper]

world pvp dagger and boots, he means bloody tokens?

[dark kernel]

Yeah

Nahj always goes for a weapon week 1 and then always regrets it though

But. There are changes to the catalyst this time....I think that make it less bad? I always get a bloody token main piece to turn to tier early.

If you get a token weapon and or boots like he does, and you DONT get a bloody token main piece (turns to tier) you delay 4 set by a week if you want to wait for conquest

But he always tries to get heroic level PVE gear

And he can, you might not have that luxury

[lone jasper]

🤔

[severe hazel]

is there a pvp zone / spot in harandar for the spark quest

[molten hedge]

That’s wpvp gear yes

[warped gate]

I thought I was lit getting all these Bloody Tokens while leveling.

[crisp imp]

so. sub rogues. we aim for versa > haste to 20% (?) > mastery > crit?

whats the way now? 🙂

[grave basin]

fyi the delve story for shadowgaurd is bis rn

just got half a level in 20mins

actually nvm it just rolled over

[dark moon]

5/13/20?

dont quote me on that tho

5/13/30

[molten hedge]

NoTrickz said he made those breakpoints up

It was an example

[dark moon]

yeah

[dark moon]

You don’t need any specific amount of crit or haste. Just put them anywhere you can’t put mastery.

thats what NoTricks said

[molten hedge]

Pretty sure at minimum you want around 13% haste

[dark moon]

and test for yourself cause multiple breakpoints

[outer sky]

You want to get at least 1 extra global from haste and probably 2

[dark moon]

for pve its 18% so makes sense for pvp to be bit less than that

[molten hedge]

I think that gets you to 7 secs of dance

At 13%

[spring bough]

@potent pivot https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-teleport-to-any-dungeon-and-silvermoon-using-the-personal-key-of-the-380645

A nerf turned it into a buff somehow?? 😂

Inc hotfix for this

[dark kernel]

Yeah that's about the sweet spot. When we have full conquest you may fluctuate around 15%

[warped gate]

So what are the stat prios for Outlaw?

[outer sky]

The thing i find awkward about this whole "get haste to extend dance" mechanic is that because of the GCD, any haste you get that extends dance literally does not matter at all until you get enough to give you another global. Anything short of that is a total waste of stats

So it just feels bad gearing for it

Stacking a stat I need to stack but wont actually do anything AT ALL until I get more of it

I mean theres the sectec CD but at this point its like the difference of 1s

[molten hedge]

yea i agree to get 8 secs of haste is so much idk if its even possible

but as kalvish mentioned, having less than a global of haste still has some value if theres so micro lag or like a cc that u trinket but are still able to get said global off

[outer sky]

May not be worth it this season. Depends. Gotta remember we dont have access to max level crafted gear yet. It may be a lot easier when we can get gear thats haste/vers instead of vers>haste

[molten hedge]

yea for sure. look at us man. we're down bad just like casters in s1 now having less access to haste as sub rogues

who would thunk it lmao

[outer sky]

Quite curious to see how this shapes up in season 3 when we're loaded with stats. One thing im afraid of is blizzard nerfing the talent that extends dance with haste, or putting a heavy pvp modifier on it because they think the dance uptime is too excessive. It would feel absolutely terrible to play season 3 feeling the same stats wise as season 1

And knowing blizzard, if they do it they'll probably do it AFTER we're fully geared for that season, causing us to potentially have to re-gear

[molten hedge]

classic

sorry

clASSic

[outer sky]

Thats one of the most irritating things blizzard does. I swear if they nerf something relevant to stats past a certain point in the season they should give anyone playing that specific class the option to trade in their gear for an equivalent ilvl piece with different stats or for heraldries

I remember Shadowlands S1

Blizzard: you cannot swap covenants

Rogues: oh wow Kyrian is OP we're gunna play that

Blizzard: Kyrian rogue is OP, we're nerfing it into the ground

Rogues: Certainly then you'll let us swap covenants right?

Blizzard:

[molten hedge]

that Slands shit really stuck with you huh man lmfao

i didnt play back then im sure that was frustrating

[outer sky]

It was the most egregious display of blizzards arrogance ive ever seen, yes

[spring bough]

Dw it’s all over now

[vocal surge]

Next week, gonna get my Ebic crafting tool

[spring bough]

Gold making time?

[vocal surge]

Been making gold

Spamming delves netted over 300k gold lol

[outer sky]

[spring bough]

🔥

[outer sky]

Over how long?

[vocal surge]

8hrs

its not much, but my Valeera's reaching lvl 45 eventually

[outer sky]

8 HOURS

you can make more than that in a single hour doing boosts bro

But I guess youre doing the delves anyway

The gold is just a bonus

[grave basin]

Literally do any min wage job for 20 bucks

And get a token

[outer sky]

Thats what i was thinking

[grave basin]

[outer sky]

300k is about what a token costs

[vocal surge]

Min wage job aint leveling my Valeera up thou

[outer sky]

Tokens are $20

So 8 hours for 300k is like working for $2.50/hour

[outer sky]

Can you change your profile picture back to some obscure grocery store item? Its weird seeing you without that

[vocal surge]

Lol

Was giving someone the GTFO Server lore

and had to bring this pfp out

[warped gate]

So hey, fellas, what's the stat weight for Outlaws here?

[outer sky]

Im not sure anyone's even bothered playing it enough to know

@vocal surge @spring bough

[warped gate]

[outer sky]

Thats yalls domain

[spring bough]

It’s gonna be something like 20-25% haste, verse, crit/mastery

Still gotta get haste for the 0.8s gcd on adrenaline

[vocal surge]

20% - 25% Haste, then Crit. Vers amount is up to you

if you do break past 30% haste via procs, you can drop tea

[warped gate]

Ahhh, I see, I see.

Thanks, I went to scoop as much Haste as I could via Honor gear, but once it's big dick Conquest time, I don't wanna fuck up there.

[outer sky]

Outlaw rogues trying to optimize their stats like
https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spring-cleaning-garbage-gif-131780675497810205

[grave basin]

how goes the sv dream

[outer sky]

Subservient to the leveling nightmare

[spring bough]

Get to 25 haste during season 1 and it’s like any room for other stats?

[outer sky]

I got 1 toon to 90, yesterday I spammed delves on a 2nd rogue, got to level 81, couldnt stand it anymore, logged off

0 chance Im getting a 2nd toon to 90 without paying for speed leveling

[grave basin]

boo

[spring bough]

Yeah I only have the DH so far and rogues almost 81 I logged off it after one dungeon 😭

[outer sky]

They need to increase the warband leveling bonus from 5% additional xp per max level character to 20%

[grave basin]

going for 2x of the same class at the start of the expac

ofc youre gonna burn out

[outer sky]

4x

Im leveling my 4 rogues first

Then my hunter

Then my monk

Then my evoker

And that's probably it for this xpac

My other level 80s are shaman and paladin but I dont think im going to play them at all

[proven field]

You guys need to slow down lol

[grave basin]

why would you spam delves..

just do the side quests

[outer sky]

Delve spam is the meta

Its faster than any other method

That we know of

[grave basin]

i started my hunter at 80 and im 87 now

with full delve tour banked

[grave basin]

unless it causes you to log off

[outer sky]

Quests would too

[vocal surge]

The lore must flow

[grave basin]

thats cap

unless you have sojourner x4

ez claps, 1 more lvl then 88-90 for free

then rogue for the last lvl 90

[outer sky]

Someone will figure out a speed leveling strat eventually

Im not worried

[gusty hedge]

[gusty hedge]

[gusty hedge]

@gleaming sentinel @spring bough

[gleaming sentinel]

Huge if true

[gusty hedge]

just ordered 6 more bags

[spring bough]

Eating those during first week of season 1 to ascend to elite

[outer sky]

You going for glad this season?

[potent pivot]

Idk if I can even reply to all the misinformation that was said while I was asleep today

[potent pivot]

And then they’ll leave that nerf in place until they remove the talent itself regardless of how much the spec changes

Like original deepening shadows

[outer sky]

Yep thats how it goes

[finite onyx]

skill-capped says to get haste in every slot for sub is that correct?

[outer sky]

Every slot?

Almost certainly not

Did they say that for pvp?

I could see that in pve maybe

I think the amount of haste you want numerically is 587

[finite onyx]

https://www.skill-capped.com/wowarticles/guides/subtlety-rogue-pvp-guide/gearing/

[outer sky]

Which shouldn't require it being in every slot

[finite onyx]

every slot except tier set basically

for pvp yeah not sure if its correct

[outer sky]

I would not trust that yet

Theres a chance they could be right

But its unlikely

Kind of irresponsible of them to be putting that in a guide this early

[potent pivot]

doesn't seem like they listed the author anywhere either

[outer sky]

Theyre advising to get 948 haste

Theres no freaking way thats the play

Yeah no

[potent pivot]

ya never know

[outer sky]

Its not

No it cant be

You need 587 to get 2 extra dance globals

And 1076 to get a 3rd

[potent pivot]

i know

[outer sky]

Getting more than 587 haste but less than 1076 makes no sense

[potent pivot]

they're probably thinking of the 1076

with enchants and all

[outer sky]

How much stats do the ring enchants give this season?

[potent pivot]

between enchants and gems you can hit the 1076

i know that much

[outer sky]

Idk that sounds sus

[static holly]

Anyone tried void weaver? Not sure if I should go rogue or priest next as alt. Just hit ,90 with my main rog

[static holly]

22

[livid grove]

What's the overall impact on finishers if you stack Haste that hard?

[potent pivot]

trimaz did say he liked giga haste on beta

but yeah idk

i think most people will stay around 2 extra globals, at least at first for sure

until the 3 global breakpoint is tested by more ppl

[potent pivot]

the issue is that most finishers don't do much damage now anyway

sec tech is the only big damage finisher

[outer sky]

With both rings enchanted for haste you get 992 haste with skill capped's build

You sure you can get another 84 from gems?

[potent pivot]

i know for sure you can get 1076

[livid grove]

So just stay in SD as long as poss to spam SS Evis?

[potent pivot]

i'm not saying this is the play

no one should be saying that yet

[outer sky]

The only piece theyre not putting haste on is the hat. Im pretty sure you'd need to also have a haste/vers hat to hit 1076

And if you do then their build is senseless

[potent pivot]

you can do it with 4set even

some of the items aren't proper ilvl on the skillcapped guide

thats probably why it doesn't add up for you if thats all you're looking at

[outer sky]

I mean if they cant even do that right....

[potent pivot]

brother

thats not even up to them

they're probably just using hooks to wowhead items

click any of the items

[outer sky]

Still seems sus

[spring bough]

Might try my best in 3s the mount is too 🔥

[potent pivot]

takes you to wowhead

[livid grove]

Possible the Video might have been accurate to the Beta when it came out.

[potent pivot]

with full conq gear you can get above 1076

[outer sky]

Should be pretty free. 2300 elite threshold

Season 1 usually has solid participation too

[potent pivot]

its not a video, its their website's guide that was updated a week or so ago

but without an author listed its not like we can go ask them how they came to these conclusions

so to me its kinda worthless

[spring bough]

Question is. Outlaw or DH to do it 😂

What’s probably the more safe bet…. Or sub

[outer sky]

Sub or dh

Outlaw is griefing yourself

Im sure it'll be doable

But like

Why makes things harder than they have to be

[potent pivot]

i'm going to look back at this and laugh if thats what we end up running though

full haste sub sounds so cursed i'm starting to like it

[outer sky]

Outlaw? Or full haste sub?

[potent pivot]

the thing i need to know

is if we can squeeze to sec techs into 1 blades with 4set

i thought we could but with pvp modifiers now i'm not sure

[finite onyx]

i was annoyed looking at it, if you go full haste and sub gets giganerfed.. time to buy mastery gear for assa 😄

[potent pivot]

tier sets only nerfed by 50% right

hmm

[spring bough]

Full haste sub w dagger/sword so swaps to outlaw are easy

[potent pivot]

ikr

[fathom crag]

I Liked it

and somehow my secret tech still hits hard

[spring bough]

I only did full haste sub during prepatch and it was fun

[potent pivot]

ik i've pointed that out a few times as we've discussed it

[potent pivot]

do you remember what sec tech's CD was

[fathom crag]

i can check 1sec

[potent pivot]

with how much haste

i'm pretty positive i remember trickster sub being able to get 2 sec techs per blades on beta but idr how much haste it was either

[fathom crag]

if sub stays good its gna be insane in the last season with big stats

[potent pivot]

idk i never pay attention to stat scaling in expansions

1 big damage nerf and it just won't matter

[fathom crag]

but i might have too much haste

[potent pivot]

whats the haste rating

[fathom crag]

632

[potent pivot]

thats too little

skillcapped seems to be saying to go for the 1076 breakpoint

[fathom crag]

is it?

[potent pivot]

wait don't misunderstand

[fathom crag]

for pvp?

[potent pivot]

this isn't what i'd consider "full haste" sub

imo that's what we should def be going for

sec

[fathom crag]

i have 2 piece mastery only

& crit daggers

[potent pivot]

i think we should be going for the 587 breakpoint at a minimum

so 630 is good

[river pollen]

So many sub rogues in pvp rn lol

[potent pivot]

skillcapped is saying to go for way more

which is what we were discussing

i thought when you talked about liking full haste sub you meant much more

[fathom crag]

LOL for me thats already a lot of haste

only have wrist mastery & helm tier + conquest daggers

[potent pivot]

ye skillcapped is basically saying to go for haste on every piece that isn't tier set

[vocal surge]

Dude

[potent pivot]

including chants/gems i thnik

[vocal surge]

Its so cursed

But fun af

[potent pivot]

but idk who writes for them

[vocal surge]

12s CD Sec Tech

[potent pivot]

yea

the 587 haste breakpoint def can't get 2 sec techs per blades

the giga haste (1076 hase) should be able to

but thats a lot of haste

[vocal surge]

I think its more reasonable in later seasons

[fathom crag]

it’s just annoying because badge and full mastery is bis for blitz but ud have to be haste insignia for arena

[vocal surge]

But atm, you sacrifice so much damage for all that haste

Like even a little bit of mastery was a MASSIVE DPS boost on the All Haste build

[potent pivot]

time for 2 sub chars

[fathom crag]

anyway at some point someone will find out the best gear it’s just very new

i like that another stat is viable tho

[outer sky]

Ummm

Idk whats going on but

For some reason

Im getting 10k xp per skirm

Thats almost as much as quests give

[dark kernel]

How? Isn't the cooldown capped at 20 seconds nds

[potent pivot]

haste decreases tech CD

and trickster does also

[dark kernel]

Yeah but 20 is the minimum it could be I thought?

[potent pivot]

Naw definitely not

[proven field]

6 healers vs 0 - is the game legitimately broken or what

on Kotmogu no less so... zero chance of winning

[potent pivot]

In pve they are going to get 2 sec techs per blades

Even with tier set blades is 20sec duration

Even on beta with 17% haste trimaz just showed us a 19sec tech cd

I assume that’s why they are going for a minimum of 18% haste in pve this season

[dark kernel]

There must have been something they coded or changed. Because on retail after the initial patch, my haste I tried 10% up to 35% and my tech cooldown NEVER was below 20.

Ever

Like I will die on this hill

Or maybe it just DRd super hard or they flubbed it

Idk

[potent pivot]

Oh that’s strange lol

Maybe it was something they did for prepatch

[dark kernel]

Yeah if we could get like a 12 second secret tech I will stack 50% haste that's insane

With the reset on unseen blades in trickster that's

A lot

[potent pivot]

I don’t think we can get enough haste to do that naw

Not this season

[dark kernel]

I figured as much

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty positive with full hate stack we can get 2 techs per blades

Blades is 18 sec duration with tier in pvp

[dark kernel]

The real question i guess...how much mastery becomes worth sacrificing

[potent pivot]

Yeah until it’s tested it doesn’t sound worth off rip

It would basically be full pve sub

Probably really good for shuffle

But for 3s I think the ~600 haste is the sweet spot

[hexed pewter]

is sub easier to play now than last expansion?

[outer sky]

yes

[hexed pewter]

ty! what did they change? less skills?

[outer sky]

yeah

[sharp sierra]

Yo nobody told me they removed every single bit of self healing from shadow priest wtf

[outer sky]

no more symbols of death

[sharp sierra]

Mfer I can heal myself faster on my rogue

[outer sky]

no more flag

Where are the delve quests?

Ive only found 1 so far

[sharp sierra]

they are always inside near the supplies

looks like a little banner

[proven field]

when Sudden Demise becomes the entire team's execute:

(although actually it was only 4% of my dmg, most of this was just me non-stop hot-swapping low-HP ppl to bring pain because I was pissed from that earlier 6 healers to 0 nonsense)

[molten hedge]

At the beginning of every delve

[spring bough]

Maybe S2 or S3

[outer sky]

these people try harding in sub level 90 skirms are literally the most cringe players ever

i cant believe how long this ret pally and disc priest tried to 2v3

bro

just surrendur

in the time youre wasting trying to win this one game

you could have queued another

we're leveling

stop making it take longer than it needs to

so so so cringe

[outer sky]

Ok who's the jackass at Blizzard that designed this

[sharp sierra]

looool

i just learned this makes a ding sound

i always wondered wtf was dinging randomly

[hexed pewter]

do you even use slice and dice?

[outer sky]

You never press it

I mean maybe in a rated game. Not in a fucking skirm we're just queueing to level

the faster each game goes the better

[hexed pewter]

why does every meta build use this talent?

[outer sky]

because of this passive

you still have slice and dice active most of the game

you just dont press it

eviscerate procs it for you

[hexed pewter]

oooh that makes sense

tyvm

[proven field]

yeah its basically just a passive now; uptime is like 90%+

side note holy shit - handed in a delve quest, 90k exp

[strange trellis]

Thank freaking goodness, I did some pvp after a disaterous morning and all seems to be well.. I mustve just had a string of bad match ups. Was having a bit of a panic there for a bit

[hexed pewter]

wait now Shadow Dance puts you out of stealth?

[grave basin]

I was confused af in this one at first

[potent pivot]

Huh

[outer sky]

im never doing it again

[potent pivot]

Why would you press Dance while stealthed

[broken otter]

DUDE I just did this one on my Rogue leveling. Some of these delve "mechanics" are straight up AIDS.

I wanna zone out and pewpew not spend 30min rearranging mirrors

[outer sky]

Yeah this one definitely needs to be removed from the game ASAP

Vulpera 2nd hearthstone is so nice

[broken otter]

So, I'm just picking my Rogue up since before pre-patch. I know about the major tuning coming March 17, but as of now, is Sub like the only real viable option?

Friends were telling me Assassination is dogwater

[severe helm]

p much

[broken otter]

and I haven't heard great things about Outlaw

[outer sky]

Yes and the tuning will not change that no matter what they do

[severe helm]

sub will be the best rogue spec for the foreseeable future

unless they GIGA overtune assa/outlaw damage

[broken otter]

Word

[severe helm]

its the only spec that actually has enough cc for setup

[potent pivot]

They’re all viable

[severe helm]

outlaw/assa are just melee specs

sub is the only rogue spec

[potent pivot]

@jaunty osprey been playing assa

Says the burst is insane