pvp

[potent pivot]

You can’t have “true” multi boxing where the accounts all follow the actions of the main account

But you can be logged into and play as many accounts as you want

[molten hedge]

I just don’t see how it’s possible I guess if they no lifed it with no sleep but lvling takes time multiboxxing or not

[potent pivot]

They spend like 4-5 hours per 3 lvl 90s

6 max

[molten hedge]

Doing fkn what lol you can only quest so quick

I’d have to see it

Even with DMF buff, WM, rested xp

Shit takes time

[potent pivot]

Quests, delve world tour/delve quests, first time craft exp

[spring bough]

artisan stuff for recraft is warbound now thank the lord

[molten hedge]

Did they do the campaign

[potent pivot]

You only do the full campaign on 1 toon right

Then you get to pick what zone you level in from the table

For alts

[spring bough]

yup

have yall figured out sky golem kicks u off mount when u try to herb with it

worked for all of TWW without the herb mount talent thing and now they seem to have fixed it.... unreal lol

[graceful ravine]

What can i buy with Conq and bloody tokens rn? nothing?

[spring bough]

nothing for midnight till season start

[spring bough]

they reset on season start too

[molten hedge]

Yeah if it’s 3 per 5 hours that’s almost 40 hours still. Game just came out Thursday haha it’s only been 72 hours since games come out

Wild

[potent pivot]

Ye they all go for like 14-16 hours at a time lol

That guy from the tweet, Meeres, is known for always having the most characters ever

He goes ham

[molten hedge]

Gearing all those sounds like a complete nightmare

[potent pivot]

They don’t gear all of them

[molten hedge]

I remember gingi had a shit ton

[potent pivot]

They use them for splits

[spring bough]

you should level that DH

tank spec for open world stuff too OP

and for delves

sending meteors so much fun lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think I’m gonna start leveling tonight

Been so busy with work and irl

Either gonna start with DH or DK

[severe helm]

Good

[spring bough]

took them what 20 years since TBC tto fix it crazy lol

[severe helm]

Or they broke it on accident hahah

[spring bough]

it was working in TWW so maybe lol

the overloaded herbs spawn mobs now tho so maybe that was why idk

[graceful ravine]

is there a vendor to buy old pvp season sets?

[potent pivot]

For what season

[graceful ravine]

recent ones

[potent pivot]

Idk if you can buy TWW mogs yet

But all old sets are in the same pvp vendors as when they were current

[graceful ravine]

I can buy with marks of honor?

[potent pivot]

Like I said idk about TWW mogs

But yeah

[graceful ravine]

thanks

[spring bough]

prob tuesday?

[potent pivot]

If i had to guess yeah

[wintry summit]

anybody playing alliance? everywhere I read that alliance dominates war crates, yet I am horde and havent seen alliance win single war crate since launch...is the world pvp broken or something?

[outer sky]

Damn, they did a horrible job with this predator/prey thing

Its not fun at all

Its just a mini game while doing world quests

Tbh its more annoying than anything else

[potent pivot]

There’s no reason to farm crates yet so no one is bothering

[wintry summit]

doesnt honor stay? but anyway I just see lot of posts that alliance are winning crates so I was just wondering

[outer sky]

"Hey do you want to opt into having some random NPC show up and try and kill you mid pull while trying to get world quests done?"

[vocal surge]

You have to go out of your way to grab the Prey quest in order for that to happen thou

[outer sky]

right

My point is

why would anyone want that

it is not fun

theres nothing

new

fresh

dynamic about it

[vocal surge]

You can just not interact with it, its not like Torghast from SL

[outer sky]

its just a guy showing up who tries to kill you then he ports away then that happens a few times and you eventually kill him then get some useless crests

[outer sky]

I'm venting disappointment Verm

[vocal surge]

Ah

[outer sky]

I was hoping this would be actually fun new content

its not

[vocal surge]

My only disdain for the Prey system

is it takes a long time for the Prey to come out

and this...

[potent pivot]

The honor cap is reduced to 4k until later. There’s better ways to farm honor.

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-squint-gif-5056034

Im not colorblind but that's just Color Blindness test colors with the smallest outline possible on that circle

[wanton breach]

I can't decide which healer to play in pvp :/

[potent pivot]

Priest

Gg

[outer sky]

It could be made into a fun World PvP game mode

[vocal surge]

There's WM related achievements

But its kinda meh lol

[potent pivot]

Is there a new wpvp title

[vocal surge]

Don't think so

[potent pivot]

Dang

[outer sky]

Some of the most fun i've ever had in this game was getting the Servant of N'zoth title in BFA

[wanton breach]

even if I refuse to play holy?

[outer sky]

yes

[wanton breach]

I have no clue what the healer balance looks like atm

[vocal surge]

MW giga op

[outer sky]

MW Monk>>disc priest>>>>>>>>>hpal>>>>>everything else

[vocal surge]

Ezpz multiple +120k damage hits

[wanton breach]

meh, disc priest looking good is something I like

[outer sky]

I'll take a disc meta over a holy meta

[vocal surge]

^

[oblique egret]

does anyone know if hunters are bugged atm

that's every single game marksman hutners are double damage and top healing for dps

[outer sky]

Are you new to this game?

That's normal

MM hunter is like that more often than it isnt

[grave basin]

Judging balance from BGs is never a good idea, especially random BGs

[molten hedge]

Ya mm slaps in BGs just turreting from 40 yards

[ocean thunder]

It dawn to me that you can't aoe silence as assa now..
What happens if you CT during iron wire i wonder..

then again we dont play CT

[molten hedge]

I like the silence change bc u can control DRs easier

[ocean thunder]

yeah you are not wrong, you need to micro manage targetting but it's deliberate silence

[molten hedge]

Yeah if a caster and healer are stacked it’s good. Or against ret dk silencing ret locks them out of most things and silencing dk at right time means he can’t silence your healer immediately

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t spread the silence

[spring bough]

pushing 224 ilvl already and 237 pvp ilvl... almost ready to rock on tuesday lololol

[grave basin]

Its joever...

[spring bough]

How do u get more champion gear than the trinket from singularity? Lmao

[grave basin]

Only the trinket from void zone is avail this week

The rest will be avail after reset

Like the helmet is ilvl180 from eversong but will be champion after tuesday

[spring bough]

did yall realize this one toy we get is a port to silvermoon on a 1min 30 second cooldown?

Personal Key to the Arcantina.... pretty wild lol

[grave basin]

Yea the bartender serves an elixer of tongues too

[potent pivot]

Yes

Shits kinda cool

[spring bough]

1min 30 seconds

free hearth literally lol

legion dalaran feels fast with 10min this is even better

[pliant spoke]

We need an updated talent build. Missing points for level 90

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

got to level 25 on mining and herbs and had enough knowledge picked to unlock mounted gathering right away

handynotes.... if any1 doesnt have it has all the +3 knowledge drop points and u can get 40+ points

[potent pivot]

did you use rxp at all for leveling

[spring bough]

nah not on the DH was a fresh toon

took me like 6-7 hours to get max with dungeon queing and campaign

[potent pivot]

i mean the addon

[spring bough]

idk that addon

[potent pivot]

oh fuck me i never logged in to start getting rxp

😭

[potent pivot]

its like a leveling guide

[spring bough]

if ur doing a class w a tank spec just que up tank and people will blast itll go quick

[potent pivot]

but u have to pay for the most optimal routes l0l

[spring bough]

the campaign is whats gonna take u a minute

[potent pivot]

they give it to every fuckin streamer for free to advertise it

[spring bough]

17 chapters to unlock WQs

got my DK, hunter and rogue all ready to level up lol

[jaunty osprey]

anyone know how to turn these CPs off?

I have no addons on right now

and it's showing

[vocal surge]

🙂

[jaunty osprey]

T_T

[spring bough]

default UI would prob need an addon to remove lol

[jaunty osprey]

it wasnt there yday

[spring bough]

maybe its personal resource display?

[outer sky]

So 500 million years ago some smart ass fish decided to walk out of the water and now I have to do 20 world quests for 50 housing xp? Yeah fuck that

[spring bough]

Wish there was a faster way to get housing xp….. just want it maxed already

[outer sky]

I've put more time into my wow house than my irl house

[spring bough]

I haven’t even finished… waiting for max level to do my upstairs lol

[sharp sierra]

whats your sub build btw

dark brew any good?

[outer sky]

idk man I'm just trying shit. Right now I'm trying what Kalvish recommended

May try dropping Rotten for another apex talent point

[sharp sierra]

damn so no energy talent at all?

[outer sky]

yes

2

[hybrid sapphire]

did yall see that new pvp 40v40

[outer sky]

No and I hope I never do

[sharp sierra]

was talking about rogue tree didnt realize wed run subterfuge

[hybrid sapphire]

I think its just ARAM but in WoW @outer sky

[sharp sierra]

wait do people not like the 25% vial talent?

sorry i havent played sub in FOREVER

[outer sky]

you just dont need any more energy regen inside of dance and since we dont get CDR on dance anymore and it has a super short CD you dont need it outside of dance either. Its fine to not spam globals outside of dance. But with shadowcraft and master of shadows you dont feel energy starved at all in dance even without vigor or tea

[outer sky]

You can but its far from mandatory

[sharp sierra]

gotcha thanks

[outer sky]

Can drop unbreakable stride or superior mixture for it if you want

[sharp sierra]

feels weird not spending a global when not in dance after playing so much outlaw

[frozen walrus]

Noticed this as well. Very annoying

[hazy monolith]

was the alt leveling strat with the delve already fixed?

[sharp sierra]

yes

[outer sky]

@potent pivot says it wasnt. Just that the delve it works with timed out and isnt playable right now but will be back at some point

[sharp sierra]

ah okay

[sharp sierra]

okay im kinda feeling like dark brew isnt worth it over rotten

mainly cause i want to keep full apex

[outer sky]

thats not what you drop for rotten

with this build

ah ok

[sharp sierra]

im thinking of dropping warning signs or shadow step talent for 2nd evis talent

or wait no the attack speed is kinda huge for the apex

[outer sky]

i couldnt imagine dropping the step talent

[sharp sierra]

yeah i think ill stick with the 1 point in evis

[outer sky]

Lol what the fuck is Guardian Druid

[outer sky]

I'm mostly debating whether or not I want Rotten or the 2nd rank of the 2nd apex talent

I will say

Lash CRANKS with this build

another 5% shadow dam would be nice

but

21% less strike dam

not worth probs

[sharp sierra]

yeah shadow strike hurts thats why i dont wanna drop it

how come you dont like the last apex point? Cause of shadow dance doing it anyways?

[outer sky]

Idk Kalvish says its not good. I'm not recommending this. Its just what I'm trying now.

[spring bough]

Asmon and McConnell back together is the world healing

[sharp sierra]

ill try without it cause that extra 15% for evis sounds too good

[outer sky]

You know that talent is nerfed by 50% in pvp right

its 15% total

with both ranks

[grave basin]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/best-class-to-main-in-midnight-expansion/

Almost there rogues

[outer sky]

lol tied for last

[grave basin]

Tied with the spec that just came out 2 years ago

Class*

If evokers had perma visage form it would be way higher too

[sharp sierra]

i did not know that

[outer sky]

In a game rn

[sharp sierra]

amazing lmao

ill keep it still

[outer sky]

My overall lol

Wtf did they change the name of the talent?

[quick crypt]

Would love to see pvp population

[grave basin]

You can see the ladder on drustvar

[potent pivot]

Evis is a noodle now

[sharp sierra]

you dont think the node is worth?

[potent pivot]

Nah

[potent pivot]

i think something like this is much more likely

i would rather get Warning Signs than anything else on this build too

[sharp sierra]

ill keep warning and subterfuge, kinda liking have subterfuge

[potent pivot]

subt just seems near useless now

[outer sky]

I just had a game where I doubled the other sub rogues damage and this was my breakdown

[potent pivot]

other guy could be brain dead though

[outer sky]

ngl i shut him down SO GOOD

i didnt let him get a single dance

like value out of it

but

i kind of took myself out of the game a bit

to do that

Like

I was literally sitting on globals

so i could CC him

as soon as I saw dance

[potent pivot]

i think on this i'd actually swap Veiltouched for Warning Signs

[outer sky]

Everything is pure speculation until the 17th. If they buff evisc everything changes

[potent pivot]

either that or PV for WS

[sharp sierra]

dark brew not worth the investment it seems

[potent pivot]

i think i'm pretty much fuckin with trimaz's beta build over kalv's

only a couple small differences like Shadowcraft > Veiltouched for sure

[outer sky]

have you played since early access started?

[sharp sierra]

i was gonna say no shadowcraft is scary lmao

how long as sub played without gloomblade? i always liked it

[potent pivot]

pretty much always plays without it

rarely ever have things been bad enough that we need that shit

[outer sky]

Nothing that happens outside of dance matters

so any talent that affects what goes on outside of dance is dead

buffing dance>buffing non dance

[potent pivot]

not completely true either

[outer sky]

its true enough

[potent pivot]

ehh

[sharp sierra]

and if DS gets fixed that becomes best hero talent right?

[potent pivot]

maybe

i don't think anyone knows that either because its barely been tried

[potent pivot]

nah

[sharp sierra]

ive seen 2 youtubers that pvp with it

[potent pivot]

don't have to in order to know whats better between those 2

[sharp sierra]

was prepatch tho

[potent pivot]

tri played way more rogue on beta than kalv i'm pretty sure

[outer sky]

Trimaz has said some things that I think are kinda fried though ngl

[potent pivot]

like what

[outer sky]

Like stack as much haste as possible

[potent pivot]

ye he said it felt good

i bet it does too

50% uptime on dance probably feels amazing

[outer sky]

feeling good and being good are not the same thing lol

[potent pivot]

what would you know about being good tho

https://klipy.com/gifs/fps-doug-boom-headshot

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/caitvitwt-zaunvi-stantwt-two-people-you-like-fighting-gif-9941917658589461428

[potent pivot]

lkmaoooooooooo

[sharp sierra]

idk if outlaw gets gigabuffed id prefer to play that

but this sub shit is INSANE

[outer sky]

"Ya don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing"

[potent pivot]

Did you post this because he’s a vulpera now

That shit killed me lmao

[outer sky]

vulpera rogue is bis

[sharp sierra]

undead master race

[potent pivot]

I just think kalv is dead wrong about half the stuff he’s saying

[sharp sierra]

dont worry guys pika is back

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

I don’t think he seems to have tested enough on beta to back those things up idk

[outer sky]

yeah but ngl you could tell me the sky is blue and kalvish could tell me its orange and I'd tell people its orange

[potent pivot]

Weren’t you the one constantly bitching about people like that

[outer sky]

Don't think so

its appeal to authority

for sure

but like

you havent exactly tested much yourself either

and so its his theorycrafting vs yours

i'd probably trust his until proven otherwise

[potent pivot]

It’s not even “mine” so this argument is dumb

[outer sky]

well it aint his and he's one of the best rogues in the game

[potent pivot]

God I hate pvpers sometimes

[potent pivot]

None of the other best rogues in the game seem to agree from what I’ve seen

[outer sky]

Have Pika or Whaazz said anything about it? Those are probably the only 2 rogue players I'd trust over kalvish

[potent pivot]

stop ragebaiting

[outer sky]

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/rxfYuEv6PV

Lol just saw this post too

[sharp sierra]

FUCKING FINALLY

[grave basin]

Havent even bothered doing that event

[grave basin]

What do you get

[sharp sierra]

first horde crate all expac

[outer sky]

This 4k honor cap is bullshit

like

make early access mean something come on

[dark moon]

I have a better one for you: remove early access bullshit and make season start on the second reset after release.

[potent pivot]

ye early access is dogshit

honor cap should be 0 rn

[outer sky]

They won't remove early access. But I agree with that. The season def should start a week earlier than it is starting

[gilded gulch]

They do it for the rwf

[outer sky]

nah i also think think they should be doing early access but if theyre going to and theyre charging money for it then it shouldnt be neutered

[gilded gulch]

early access is there to make gold

[outer sky]

yeah, for blizzard

[gilded gulch]

nah you sell gathering mats

at an all time high

[outer sky]

it was a joke

but like

i dont get what the big deal is

we cant even play as the new race

Haranir

or w/e its called

in early access

[gilded gulch]

idk

[outer sky]

Like fuck this "fairness" bullshit

[gilded gulch]

guys in the race leveling 20 toons already

[outer sky]

if someone is so broke they cant afford the Epic version of the expansion then they probably shouldnt be buying any version of it

so not getting early access is a choice

choose differently if you want a genuine head start

[dark moon]

That's why early access doesn't make sense

Cause they have 25 alts level 90

Like wtf

[gilded gulch]

idk free money

[potent pivot]

4 hour leveling guide

for alts

https://www.twitch.tv/zorthas/clip/MoralImpartialOrangePeoplesChamp-HBpB5zj5qzpUW09k

[sharp sierra]

our group has 14 bounties lol

[outer sky]

4 hours

If it takes more than an hour of actual effort I aint doing it

I'm gunna wait until some boosting community finds a place to speed level

then just pay a few mil to have my alts leveled

[outer sky]

It crosses my mind from time to time how much easier this game would be if when I decided to reroll in legion I had picked something other than a rogue to reroll to

[grave basin]

Idk if you see the m+ charts it aint looking too hot either

[outer sky]

its a cycle. The fewer people play rogue, the less blizzard cares about them. The less blizzard cares about them, the fewer people play them, and so on

[grave basin]

You could cope with the max level graph and say its just druid bots but m+ is like really solid data imo, albiet swayed by the meta

[outer sky]

its also just a whole lotta squeeze for not so much juice

especially now

like just play ret

1 button rotation your way to elite

collect xmog

gg

[grave basin]

I mean if your spec is fighting for its life against aug in terms of playrate idk

[outer sky]

isnt that aug, dev, and pres?

[grave basin]

Blizzard just hates your spec ig

Spec pop for all keys

[sharp sierra]

uhh just figured out how to cheese slayer title

you leave mid fight from raid group, kill guy, then join back lol

[potent pivot]

https://x.com/miichiwi/status/2028121804523315542

r 𓆩ᗢ𓆪 ☁️ (@miichiwi)

🌸 TRUCO para levear y ahorrarte aprox 30-45 mins de questeo:
1. Ve a la subasta a comprar la lista de items de la foto.
2. Dales click para recibir la misión.
3. Ve a la feria a pillar el buff de experiencia de 10%.
4. Entrégalas en la feria.
5. Enjoy de 90k de exp en menos de 5

X · Mar 1, 2026, 2:54 PM

i think this is how you do the profession turn ins

[potent pivot]

its funny because Preach made a vid recently going over all the classes/specs in the game talking about his decision making for what he'll main himself

and his top 2 class picks were rogue and warlock because they felt like the only engaging classes left

[outer sky]

I assume he meant sub rogue

specifically

[potent pivot]

nope

outlaw/assa

[outer sky]

idk if I'd trust him then. If he thinks those specs are engaging then he doesnt have a very good concept of what that means

[outer sky]

assa is ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[sharp sierra]

F

[outer sky]

omg ive never been so bored

[sharp sierra]

got honor capped thp

[potent pivot]

i disagree

[outer sky]

I'm sure you do lmfao

[potent pivot]

i think sub has gotten infinitely more boring than assa/outlaw

[outer sky]

As sub I can still do shit. Like cross CC on my own for goes. I havent tried much outlaw but assa just feels like something i'd play to fall asleep

[potent pivot]

Preach PvEs

[outer sky]

I'd seriously question the mental health of anyone who thinks that spec is anything even close to "engaging"

well I havent tried it in pve so maybe

[potent pivot]

idk i still think you overstate assa's energy shit insanely

has felt fine to me this whole time

[outer sky]

Thats not even what I'm talking about tbh

i just dont have any buttons

[potent pivot]

it felt rough on prepatch but beta was good

[outer sky]

cant do anything

i could deal with the energy regen if I could still multi stun

like

something

cheap shots into garrotes

on the healer

i cant do shit

its so boring

i hate it

[potent pivot]

/use View Next Adventure
tf is this

apparently this command teleports you to silvermoon with no CD

[grave basin]

I dont trust anyone who thinks sub is fun in midnight pve

Sub legit bm hunter tier self play experience

[potent pivot]

yep

[outer sky]

You mean you dont think pressing shuriken storm>black powder over and over again is engaging gameplay?

[grave basin]

Fun out of body experience

[potent pivot]

shadowstrike>evis isn't either bub

hate to break it to ya

[potent pivot]

literally asleep at the wheel pov

[grave basin]

Im being sarcastic

[potent pivot]

ik

i've been dropping all the crazy tech for leveling in the last half hour

[grave basin]

What lvl you at

[potent pivot]

10

[grave basin]

Nice, we all start somewhere

[potent pivot]

should i throw all this stuff in a thread

[outer sky]

How did we get here

I remember doing keys in BFA

When we had essences

Was so much fun

Blood of the enemy

Iris beam

Where's the shit like that

And pvp with breath of the dying

Adds some extra flavor to the game

[grave basin]

Theres 100000000%

[potent pivot]

people bitched and moaned about borrowed power

[grave basin]

Gonna be some borrowed power

[potent pivot]

so now we don't get any

[grave basin]

I have faith

Someway to spice up the lobotamized specs

[potent pivot]

idk man

i think they see how popular BM/Ret are

and are trying to make everything that simple

[outer sky]

Theres ways to do it that are okay though. Like Blood of the Enemy was so fun because it did a chuck of AoE damage but then gave you 50% extra crit and 20% extra crit damage so even though it was technically "borrowed power" it directly buffed your own buttons in addition to the damage it did itself

Like as long as you dont feel like you cant do anything unless you have your borrowed power button and it feels like a genuine buff when you have it rather than feeling like youre undertuned without it, its good IMO

[outer sky]

Also this

And truth be told I dont even blame them

If i owned a restaurant, and 75% of my customers ordered the same 2 items off the menu, you better believe id be looking to try and fix my menu to have more dishes like those

[potent pivot]

They’re just trying to appeal to the masses yeah

[glass hazel]

we somehow win evokers

[wanton breach]

holy crap that actually works

please no ban

[potent pivot]

But in doing so they ruin the enjoyment of the high level players

[potent pivot]

Yeeep

[outer sky]

@grave basin Posted this already yeah

[potent pivot]

I doubt it’ll cause you to get banned

The silver moon teleport toy is a 1:30min CD

So this isn’t CRAZY

[glass hazel]

okay (: didnt read too many messages haha

[grave basin]

Barely above the scalies

[potent pivot]

We are where we deserve to be for one shotting all those innocent players in war mode for the last 20 years

[stoic spruce]

and sub in arena

all the hate assa and outlaw gets, sub deserves

[glass hazel]

we need proper dev like mages etc

[potent pivot]

I’m a DOM in arena

With my chains of ice and my death grip

[outer sky]

Didn't war mode only become a thing in 2018 when BFA dropped

[glass hazel]

before it was permanent on pvp servers, where most of rogues played anyway

[potent pivot]

[glass hazel]

[potent pivot]

It was a joke man

[outer sky]

I mean the number of players ive killed and sniped their quest mobs just over the last few days is enough to probably warrant gutting our entire class

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Lol

This guy says

"it genuinely comes down to people just don’t like rogue, or don’t like the direction blizzard has taken rogue into. and if im being completely honest there really isn’t any fixing it, like at all, so many times players have suggested things, and yet it falls on deaf ears. or better yet, outlaw gets a tumbleweed animation for Between the Eyes. if that doesn’t shed light on how blizzard feels about not just the class, but also the specs then idk anymore."

[ionic crown]

no more bg DRs. gg

[outer sky]

They really need to get rid of this tumbleweed bullshit

[stoic spruce]

whats wrong with it?

[outer sky]

Its cringe

Thats literally it

[stoic spruce]

I barely notice it

[outer sky]

Theres nothing functionally wrong with it

Its just cringe

[stoic spruce]

is there a reason its cringe?

[outer sky]

Because it makes me cringe

It just seems ridiculous like the outlaw rogue proccing tumbleweeds with between the eyes

They're trying way too hard to make it fit theme and it ain't working

[stoic spruce]

idk

I barely notice it and with this outlaw I'd say its on theme

since everyone wanted mmo Gunslinger #356

[outer sky]

They very clearly were positioning outlaw rogue as a pirate and now they've pivoted to a wild west cowboy but still retain a lot of the pirate theme too so it feels conflicting. I guess the thing I really don't like about the tumbleweed if I had to try and put my finger on it, would be that it gives off the impression that the design was an afterthought and they had to try and make it concinving.

"You got any more pirate themed ideas for outlaw rogue?"

"Nah im spent. Idk wanna try some cowboy shit?"

"I guess? But that would be completely out of nowhere. How do we even make that convincing?"

"Fuck man idk just have it proc a bunch of tumbleweeds or some shit thatll get the point across. Anyway forget about this we need to work on ret paladin and bm hunter"

[stoic spruce]

"a lot"

[wintry summit]

is there an addont for tracking war crates across zones?

[wanton breach]

embrace it, put a /s Howdy, partner. into your bte macro

[potent pivot]

no

[potent pivot]

did they change something?

[stoic spruce]

theres a fury warr that keeps trying to kill me while im questing

doesnt he know that im him?

silly alliance

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot get YOUR PEOPLE under control

theyre 0 and 7

hes embarassing himself

[potent pivot]

don't make me come drop you

[stoic spruce]

I've seen your army, I'm not threatened

[potent pivot]

i'd solo you tho

[stoic spruce]

caparonie and cheese bruhther

[jolly sierra]

sexo

[stoic spruce]

sexooooooooooo

[ionic crown]

they dont want dr indicator in bgs fs

[potent pivot]

wpvp and arena still fine i assume?

[potent pivot]

what shall i use my 80 booster on

ber-ruh-thur

[stoic spruce]

idek what imma use mine on

[potent pivot]

maybe ill make a new dk or hunter race

my dk is human

[ionic crown]

No issues except for the BG module. Party module which uses the same API as BG is fine. ig blizz didnt block LoC api to frienfly units. and v3.9 WorldPVP is now work for bgs too

[potent pivot]

i don't understand half of this but i think i get the point

that's odd that they'd specifically remove it from bgs

[ionic crown]

blizz wont provide information who vanilla player cant track it

but api for friendly target is allowed

thats why party dr indicator survived

[potent pivot]

starting to wonder if i should just delete my entire addon library and start over

[potent pivot]

Midnight Alt Leveling

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough WQ for weap is up

[potent pivot]

ok

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1478034741302399250

i put some leveling things in a thread

[spring bough]

RIP no int for the DH

[gusty hedge]

think its different for spec/class

[spring bough]

Do it

[spring bough]

Wasn’t for one of the other regular world quests with a wep the other day

[potent pivot]

I think I’m going to rename my WTF/Interface folders (to save them as back ups) and start fresh ones

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474265260816072724/1467692347339968607/EBDCDD4B-8411-4C13-8A94-389977FAD5DA.png?ex=69a6e144&is=69a58fc4&hm=c79fe41c472c58561cdf8442437e54c2b200d11d72244f1012262ce833885443&

Look at how clean this shit looks

[gusty hedge]

other rogues got dager while i got axe, they are sin /sub

[lone jasper]

I really liked the PvP area. I truly hope it stays active and relevant every season. I want it to always feel rewarding, it’s great fun, whether playing solo or with friends

[gusty hedge]

right ! a whole area dedicated for pvp and not just a small area like we usually get! if they keep the rewards coming and update with newer content/better rewards over time i can see this place active, especially with the spectral crates that keep spawning unlike tww where it was like every 12 hours

[grave basin]

I made this mistake in tww

Aesthetically cool, functionally useless

[outer sky]

is it? 2 trinkets for stuns sounds like it would be good but I guess maybe its overkill

[grave basin]

You alrdy have ibf and normal trinket

3rd trinket is massive overkill might as well be orc or hmt or even DI dwarf

[outer sky]

true

[potent pivot]

i think that delve is back in rotation

the one to spam level

[outer sky]

whats it called?

[potent pivot]

shadowguard

check the thread in the pins

[outer sky]

sick

[potent pivot]

i think the quests/delves/profession shit is a little bit faster

[outer sky]

How long does it take?

[potent pivot]

but the delve spamming thing is mindless

[outer sky]

is it still 4+ hours???????????

[potent pivot]

ya

looks like ~5hr on the delve spam

[lone jasper]

Guys, Pin talent builds if possible please 🙂

[grave basin]

Id rather do sojourner on alts

Until im all out

[potent pivot]

the ones in the pins are only missing a few talents, you can just add the missing ones

[potent pivot]

whats that

[grave basin]

Achievement to complete all the side quests

[outer sky]

yeah no thanks

[potent pivot]

ah

[grave basin]

Im gonna do them anyway

Might as well get exp on alts for em

[frozen walrus]

Anyone know stat prio for outlaw in PVP?

[spring bough]

Try the ZA one atal’aman. Went up to level 7 on it so fast. Ez as hell and it’s fast

[spring bough]

Verse, haste to like 25%, and then crit/mastery

[potent pivot]

in shadowguard you just pull like 2 packs and leave, repeat

its like 1.1m xp/hr

[vocal surge]

You can level Valeera pretty ez

from Lvl 1 -> 15

around lvl +7, it takes 12500 XP per level till Lvl 15

After 15, takes 37688 XP a level

[spring bough]

Just rip the campaign to mostly level gonna need to do all 17 chapters either way 😭

[potent pivot]

i'm talking about alts man

[spring bough]

Are you multi boxing too? Lol

[potent pivot]

no

[spring bough]

When’s the next time walk dungeon week? I might wait for that to get some of my alts leveled up

[vague cedar]

did anyone figure the selfie tec?

[potent pivot]

the wha

[vague cedar]

dont @ me because of my giggling

[spring bough]

The camera of death is in midnight too?

[vague cedar]

it's my first encounter with it and its hella stupid and fun of course

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-open-holy-hand-grenade-gif-13890860417931861339

[spring bough]

We are officially live tomorrow

[vocal surge]

Oh not today?

[spring bough]

Oh shit it is today

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[spring bough]

Do we get regular mythic dungeons later tonight then

[spring bough]

Ig tomorrow is honor gear then?

[vocal surge]

Prob

[molten hedge]

You say that until you lvl then 5 hours doesn’t sound as bad 🤣

[outer sky]

I already hit 90

[molten hedge]

How long did it take you

[outer sky]

I dont even know. Probably like 10-12 hours

But im not leveling another character to 90 unless I can do it in under 2 hours and even then idk. Im going to wait until boosting communities start selling afk speed leveling and pay a few mil to have my other characters leveled

Money is no object when it comes to avoiding this grind

[molten hedge]

Yeah I’d prob only be willing to do the delve spam bc I have multiple accounts so I get a better return on my investment

[outer sky]

I know someone who leveled 80-90 in skirms

Dudes a madman

You get 4800xp per skirm you win

So you have to win

To get 5k xp

And each level is around 500k xp

So you need to win 100-120 skirms

To get 1 level

So 1 minute in the starting area

Say the games take an average of a minute and a half

3 minute average queue time

5.5 minutes for 4800xp IF you win

Thats 9-10 hours per level

On average

Wtf how did he even do that

He mustve been doing quests in between queues

Oh and that 9-10 hours is assuming you win every single game

Which is unrealistic

[grave basin]

so like

the world pvp quests can be done without wmode on

LOL

im just chilling never getting ganked getting my 2h wep

[proven field]

I am enjoying assa bigtime... excited to get to 90 and see what's up

[spring bough]

Ima laugh if they mess up and put warmode items on the vendor later

I have like 7k bloody tokens 😂

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

What's up will be the enemy team's chances of winning

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/when-was-the-last-time-you-had-fun-tom-ellis

[outer sky]

Last season

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-dont-believe-you-april-fools-day

[grave basin]

it's beautiful

[spring bough]

Bro slow down season hasn’t even started yet 😭

[grave basin]

im only 82 on my monk brah

[lime oar]

how’s it been/felt so far?

[hidden mirage]

can you guys enchant goblin glider on cloaks (engineering) ? It doesnt work for me anymore

[proven field]

I'm digging it a lot - but I play a few unconventional things... leveling it's very quick and powerful... BGs so far I am trashing people but it's just randoms... curious to see endgame

[lone jasper]

https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz

does any1 know what is he doing?

[potent pivot]

its linked in the leveling thread in the pins

there's 2 different "efficient" ways to level alts

quests/delve quests/profession crafts in ~4 hours

or spamming that delve pack in ~5 hours

for 80-90

[lone jasper]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thinking-think-windpress-Oew3y2VYKexOce6yGH

Thanks, just checked

[outer sky]

See logically I know i should be using the time between now and when the season starts to level some toons

But its just so miserable

I can't bring myself to do it

Its like punching yourself in the face as hard as you can

[lime oar]

it’s really not that bad

[static holly]

Lvln even 1 char is hot garbage

Still on my way... Guess it will take me a few days for just 1 and then I'm done.

Makes more fun to play through diablo 2 the mio time

[potent pivot]

wow players have gotten so weak eh

[spring bough]

It takes like 7 hours to campaign / dungeon que to get max 😭

And by then you’ll have 17/17 chapters done to unlock skips on alts

[spring bough]

Remember when 1-60 took literally 5-7 full days of /played

[sharp sierra]

I loved this expac

Slayers rise is so fun I hope they keep adding more to it

[spring bough]

Silvermoon the best “new” capital in a while

[sharp sierra]

Today I will spend my time sitting outside the sunwell welcoming people 🤣

[potent pivot]

yep. and on osrs 1-99 in 1 stat (there's 24 stats) takes 100-200 hours

what happened to the grinders

[spring bough]

Everyone wants all the end game stuff immediately and not sit thru the journey there

[potent pivot]

why do i have this shit in the middle of my screen on some chars

[spring bough]

CDM add on or bug?

[potent pivot]

probably an addon i'm just not sure which

no issues showing on bugsack

[static holly]

When u do it with a lvl90, scaling might be a bit issue

Irl it's also directly endgame and you face the end boss.

[sharp sierra]

with full honor gear im sure itll be alright

[static holly]

WTF

[potent pivot]

I love seeing old news posted

[potent pivot]

It’d be so funny if level 80s rolled over everyone else

[sharp sierra]

sigh another bugged quest

3rd one so far

[potent pivot]

I’ve barely gotten to the point of having a functional UI on my dk

Bout ready to knock out the campaign

[gusty hedge]

u gotta shoot elementals white ones with the blast from gravity to get progress. go in and out of gravity circle while levitating to swap special button move. or kill players. Might need to relog to get progress on enemy players

[sharp sierra]

none of the wqs are working for me

[jolly sierra]

so, care in reminding me how much is pvp cap rn?

for me its 4k wtf

in honor

[gusty hedge]

Rip just finished them on fresh 90 rn too, wasnt clearing at first. something def up tho

[sharp sierra]

relogging now

[quick crypt]

I think it´s just until the official release, then it will be raised to 15k I think

[gusty hedge]

yeah 4k hopefully its back to 15k after mt

[jolly sierra]

kk, gotta do some funny stuff with the ret then

to get 4k before purchasing the xp

[spring bough]

Think it goes to 15k tomorrow on reset and we get honor gear too

Unless we get a surprise later

[gusty hedge]

nice cant wait. got everything ready to make pvp rings/neck

[sharp sierra]

fixed thanks

[vocal surge]

Clearing +7 delves in 5mins

[graceful ravine]

Do pvpers need a spark for anything?

[sharp sierra]

depends on its ilvl

doubtful tho

[mortal lantern]

does anyone feel like cheap shot is not immediately available after clicking dance?

[graceful ravine]

are you talented in shot in the dark?

[mortal lantern]

yes

its like the dance buff recognizes too late

if i press dance -> cs it says "must be stealth"

[gleaming sentinel]

I love that I don’t reset fights after vanishing anymore

[spring bough]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/ayijecdm

Yall check this out yet?

[potent pivot]

this is what AtrocityUI took to use

this ui pack

[spring bough]

Is atrocity like a UI pack?

[potent pivot]

well atrocity is a guy but yes

it has profiles for all the addons baked in

you just load it up and click ok, ok, ok, ok

[dark kernel]

Correct

[potent pivot]

and it sets them all up out the box

its what most of the Liquid players use

like max, imexile, etc

the only thing i don't like about it is the unit frames from UUF/ElvUI/AyijeCDM

[vocal surge]

go brrr

[potent pivot]

because you lose the big debuffs

[spring bough]

I used to be a big elvui Stan but dropped it after it bricked during a DF patch day lol

Base wow ui for me now 😭

[potent pivot]

i like it for pve

but i don't think you can anchor bigdebuffs anywhere on the unit frames which kinda just kills it for me

you shoulda seen zac's pvp streams during TWW with his UI lmao

his target's debuffs were all 1 row, growing to the right. so he'd have a row of like 50 buffs/debuffs under his target frame lmao

[stoic spruce]

Imagine being in Dornogal on March 2nd, 2026 lololol

[potent pivot]

that screenshot is from weeks ago smartass lololol

[stoic spruce]

Nah

Also you can't do what I did to you

Bozo

L bozo

[stoic spruce]

Fabricated

[potent pivot]

L+Ratio+you suck dong

[stoic spruce]

I turn my head at you

https://tenor.com/view/look-away-dog-look-away-aes-gif-21324164

[jaunty osprey]

I love being able to xmog my daggers into swords now

It saved pvp

[spring bough]

Thunderfury?

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/best-way-to-level-alts-fast-in-midnight-380598

damn i beat wowhead to something for once

really zorthas did

[sharp sierra]

https://x.com/icyveins/status/2028544622088134789?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5PA

Icy Veins (@icyveins)

There's a delve shortcut that lets you jump straight into Tier 8 on Season 1 launch — Hero gear from the Great Vault on day one while everyone else grinds from scratch. ⚠️ https://t.co/VlhnMGSvCm #warcraft #midnight

X · Mar 2, 2026, 6:55 PM

They just need to fire everyone that works on this dumb ass website 🤣

[vocal surge]

Icy Veins just found out?

[graceful ravine]

anyone konw what ilvl is honor gear in arenas

world pvp ilvl is 263

[potent pivot]

its not even a "shortcut" is it?

you still have to do 1-7 to have your 8 ready no?

[sharp sierra]

yes lmao

[potent pivot]

yea i saw that post and everyone was commenting how dumb it was

[potent pivot]

current world pvp gear is not the correct ilvl

it's preseason wpvp gear right now

worthless

honor gear will prolly be 270 something iirc?

[graceful ravine]

but they will work as 263 gear in bgs as im farming honor for 270s?

[potent pivot]

ye but i think the crafted green gear is about the same innit

[graceful ravine]

so its not worthless lol, ill have an edge in the first weeks in bgs one shotting those who dont have the preseason gear

[potent pivot]

huh

you can just buy full greens

idk about you but i don't see a point spending time farming something when i can buy a full set for like 10k

[graceful ravine]

im not necessarily farming it

im ganking and pvping in voidstorm, obtaining the blue wpvp set is a freebee

doing it for the love of the game

[potent pivot]

[ocean thunder]

So asking final time (sorry), what's the consensus on race ? Orc or Nelf (my options)?
And ofc still sub looks better for arena/shuffle but we expect some normalization, maaaaybe, right?

[potent pivot]

just pick one man

it won't make a difference at all

[proven field]

Dark Iron for life

People sleep on it but it’s amazeballs

[ocean thunder]

yeah i understand why, i dont like the visuals if it makes any sense but yeah i know why it is so good

[proven field]

You don’t like thick women

[ocean thunder]

I kinda dont !

[sharp sierra]

can i put an axe into my offhand on sub or am i nuking damage

[sharp sierra]

undead

be a man

[potent pivot]

daggers only

[ocean thunder]

if i had an UD rogue i would consider it! The fantasy is there

[sharp sierra]

darn

at least honor unlocks in an hour

[ocean thunder]

do you need to fully level up alts for professions? i'm a bit perplexed if i should just go gathering and sell mats or have alts for jc or other professions

[potent pivot]

no

usually just need previous expansion level cap, so like 80

pretty sure

[spring bough]

Can’t even que rated at 263 pvp lvl most likely 😂

So gonna have to get honor gear anyways but it’ll help get the lvl up faster w some blue wpvp pieces

[potent pivot]

clicking buy on the AH faster

[foggy orbit]

Whats the usual pvp spec these days?

[stoic spruce]

Sub

[wise breach]

I doubt the crafted gear will be affordable early on, no one has the recipes yet

[sharp sierra]

ive been selling the recipes

made 200k so far lol

they drop from crates

new daggers are cool

[molten hedge]

can u take pic sheathed

@sharp sierra

[sharp sierra]

gg servers

[gusty hedge]

kicked offline now in limbo

[foggy orbit]

im on

[sharp sierra]

back on

[sharp sierra]

yeah

[molten hedge]

ty

[sharp sierra]

it goes to hip

[gusty hedge]

ohh im past the retreiving character screen

[sharp sierra]

looks sick

loading

[gusty hedge]

and d/c lol

[vocal surge]

I have yet to get a recipe at all lol

And its been 3 days

[potent pivot]

the greens are usually ez to come by especially if u know some crafters

[vocal surge]

Don't green gear need heraldries?

[potent pivot]

but ye i just don't mind spending gold over spending time

[sharp sierra]

kicked again

[potent pivot]

ye but we should start getting those today i assume

[sharp sierra]

first season i used to just buy it for gold lmao

[vocal surge]

F

Can't wait for S1 start

[potent pivot]

i remember buying full green gear for like 20k max on alts in tww s1

[vocal surge]

Gonna slam +11 delves so fast

[molten hedge]

ty!

[gusty hedge]

Jungle elves going up

also honor is capped at 15k now

gg the grind begins

[potent pivot]

masque keeps setting off bugsack

[gusty hedge]

some people got their profession skills rolled back after last d/c lol

[dark moon]

i got disconnected on both cinematics and i cant run them now

[sharp sierra]

im in

[spring bough]

That’s fire. Load up for tomorrow lol

[gusty hedge]

honor gear is out too 276ilvl

[spring bough]

EVEN MORE FIRE TIME TO GEAR OUT

[sharp sierra]

the alliance will feel what i felt.

[dark moon]

i dont have wm on, im being attacked by a shadow priest

and arathor is fucking healing him instead of me

and spamming the light will protect you and shields/heals him once hes low hp

[spring bough]

they took honor gear off track... cant upgrade it and use it for PVE lol

[spring bough]

cant upgrade it for PVE lolol... hope that conquest gear is diff

BG ques are fast ASF and brawl has a quest

[potent pivot]

LOL they fixed the teleport to silvermoon command AND the 1.5min CD toy teleport

fun detected once again

[spring bough]

wait whats the CD on the toy now

fuck that

[potent pivot]

1.5min

[spring bough]

the key still says 1min 30

[potent pivot]

it was never meant to take you to silvermoon, now it doesn't

[spring bough]

awh god damn bro thats dumb

[spring bough]

no fun league

well ive got a wep and trinkets down for honor gear

soon to be done lolol

[outer sky]

doest that script still work?

[potent pivot]

no

[spring bough]

im tryna understand why all weps are 875 honor and then the fist weps are 1225

[topaz delta]

what's the stat prio for sub now?

[spring bough]

bro i get to a war crate as another ally they loot it we both hit it the same time and it disappears on me...

[graceful ravine]

is there any reliable DR trackers for bgs or wpvp?

[potent pivot]

haste to ~13%, then vers>mast>crit

[outer sky]

@ionic crown How do I edit the placement of the trinket icon on enemy nameplates

[potent pivot]

not for BGs

they removed that functionality even moreso recently

[outer sky]

Lol honor gear is useless

everything scales up to 295 anyway

[graceful ravine]

probably a good fix for week 1 bgs

otherwise those with pre-orders would streamroll the normies

[gusty hedge]

tf

[outer sky]

Thats the point

Thats what we paid for

[graceful ravine]

scammed

[outer sky]

As long as theyre doing early access it should be some kind of advantage

its not like it matters much

theyre skirms and random BGs

[spring bough]

looks like u got a UI bug?

im in BGs and its scaling to 276 everything else is scaling to 263 for wpvp gear and non pvp gear scales to 258

[outer sky]

what does it say your ilvl is though

[spring bough]

258

[outer sky]

so that doesnt make sense does it

since thats the ilvl of your lowest gear

[spring bough]

non pvp gear scales up to 258

in randoms

and world pvp

havent seen anything scale to 295 lol

[outer sky]

Think you're missing my point

if your ilvl is the average ilvl of your gear

how could it be the same

as your lowest ilvl gear

[spring bough]

my pvp ilvl is higher tho?

[outer sky]

what you see in pvp is your pvp ilvl

Something is clearly wrong with either the gear scaling itself or how its being shown on our UIs

[ionic crown]

turn on the test toggle in Nameplate Icons

[spring bough]

my pvp ilvl is 263 idk

[outer sky]

which is what it SHOULD show in arena/BGs

[spring bough]

i am in a BG

[outer sky]

right and you said it was showing your ilvl as 258

[spring bough]

yeah th regular thing not when i hover my cursor on it

[outer sky]

right

it should show your pvp ilvl as your regular ilvl when in pvp

like here I'm in a skirm right now and it looks like this lmfao

somethings wrong

[spring bough]

idk i dont think its ever done that? maybe i didnt pay attention

how does some1 have almost full honor gear already LOL

[outer sky]

Me in Eversong Woods while some level 80s who didn't get early access are trying to level and enjoy the new expansion:

https://tenor.com/view/no-nah-fam-nope-michael-jordan-mj-gif-2738258592799127554

[sharp sierra]

yeah we just killed 100+ alliance

shit crashed my game a few times

lmao time for bgs idk how alliance find that fun, was boring as shit

[spring bough]

BGs got some fast ques right now

brawl has teh weekly win quest up

[sharp sierra]

do i get quest just for being there?

also where are the pvp quests at

[spring bough]

not till tomorrow prob

[sharp sierra]

ah\

[graceful ravine]

whaat does haste to 13% do

[spring bough]

ally are absolutely dominating BGs right now

[outer sky]

How is this possible? Haranir just came out an hour ago. How could somebody have a level 90 one already?

[sharp sierra]

race change

[outer sky]

Ah I forgot about that, duh

[potent pivot]

extends dance duration and lowers sec tech cd

among the normal shit haste does like attack speed etc

[spring bough]

weps and trinkets done time to get some amulets and then we are rocking lol

[sharp sierra]

True LMAO

[spring bough]

beat gravity lapse before horde had like 300 points lol

just smoked an epic BG too

oh wait idk how but i unlock haranir race logging in lol

[grave basin]

My chungus ass is at work

Instead of farming honor

Reee

[spring bough]

in silvershard and my teams fighting outside the carts

GG

[marble oasis]

curious with how frequent dance is now is the proc trinket better than on use?

[outer sky]

This has crossed my mind as well.

[marble oasis]

like obviously on use is stronger. guess it would still be better as it's on demand over watching for a proc on a go

[spring bough]

frost mage is super OP right now

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

ive got 3 items to go then replacing wpvp items

[outer sky]

It depends how we play. If we still think is "goes" then on use is probably better. If we warrior zug then on use may be the play

[gusty hedge]

The npcs are actually walking around me instead of through me like they usually do lol

[stoic spruce]

A lot of attention to detail in Midnight icl

[spring bough]

dont say that

wheres the pvp love at

[stoic spruce]

Over there

[spring bough]

was taking pvp gear off an upgradeable track their intention?

[gusty hedge]

seems like the warmode gear u can upgrade still

[severe helm]

I just fought a mage out in the world

why does their barrier cover 200% of their healthbar?

took me almost 5 minutes to kill this shitter

or is otulaw just that bad and does no damage?

[grave basin]

No problems on my dk

[severe helm]

there were 3 of us

trying to kill this one mage

he was awful

[stoic spruce]

Mage in wpvp is pretty crazy for some reason, not sure why

[severe helm]

but barrier made him invulnerable

[stoic spruce]

I walk down every other class as Outlaw but mage

I think there are some loa buffs?

[spring bough]

frost mage is broken

so broken

[severe helm]

yeah he was frost

literally almost unkillable

me a paladin and a ww monk just railing into him

[spring bough]

and their ice lance thing

does infinite dmg

like sickening dmg

[severe helm]

oh yeah ice lance is bugged

knocks you out from stealth

it has no stealth blocker in its targeting

[spring bough]

ray of frost thing too