pvp

[vocal surge]

then we lost Take em by Surprised

so it was 230% haste

lmao

with Jackpot

I can push 50k DPS in PvP

with that much haste

If I had a SHaman or Bloodlust class

for 30% haste

• Power Infusion

I can only dream how much dps this'll be

PI being +20%

127% Haste

314% Attack Speed

214% --> 314%

That's hot

I capped out at 80% haste for self

interesting

[spring bough]

Bro you sounding like Ryu right now

[vocal surge]

Who?

[spring bough]

Ryu would always post in the outlaw channel how he was gonna max haste for his build 😂

[vocal surge]

Oh lol

[gleaming sentinel]

[spring bough]

He would always post about haste and his cooked build. Then finally posted some shit that got him banned

[vocal surge]

Oh

How high did he get?

Ayyo

This is so cooked on Subtlety

almost 15s Shadow Dances

[vocal surge]

Wanna test this sub rogue build?

[sharp sierra]

Sleepy time for work

[vocal surge]

F

[warped gate]

Hey bois, first time logging back in for a while and before I do a deep dive on what's changed, I see Killing Spree doesn't have its damage delay anymore. Did they add a compensation for that anywhere else in the kit, or is it just a net-negative on survivability to Outlaw Rogues?

[potent pivot]

Yep

[vocal surge]

-Survivability

[warped gate]

Yikes.

So, does it seem as bad as it looks?

[molten hedge]

Feral is the new assa (again)

[warped gate]

[hybrid sapphire]

making my rdruid into a feral

[vocal surge]

Bright side, Trickster got hands

[potent pivot]

Hand*

[vocal surge]

Nah, hands

[potent pivot]

Nah

[vocal surge]

For when we throw these Unseen Blade double procs

[potent pivot]

1 cheap shot = 1 hand

[warped gate]

Well shoot, thanks for the info. Not the most encouraging of news though, ngl.

[potent pivot]

Killing spree is the least of it ngl

[vocal surge]

Get to trade some CCs with KS

[spring bough]

Season one’s gonna be an adjustment lmao

[potent pivot]

Asmongold is back 💀

[spring bough]

Wait he’s playing midnight???

[potent pivot]

Yep

He’s on rn

Reminiscing

[spring bough]

Mount offs about to come back??

[potent pivot]

I would imagine

[spring bough]

He just logged off 34k people watching 😂

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Was more earlier

But he gets like 50-100k talking random shit about politics

[spring bough]

And he does it on kick and also posts them on YouTube… bros making like 200k plus a month 😂

[hybrid sapphire]

shadowstepping to an opponent, full kidneying them, and sprinting away all while holding the flag in WSG... pure magic

[potent pivot]

lol

[fathom crag]

so nothing about this shitty dazed icon ?

[potent pivot]

lol

they touched it and did not add "you may now customize which icons you see"

[sharp sierra]

LETS GO

[fathom crag]

do we know what’s best between sub or outlaw for lvling through quest

[stiff cedar]

sub

[potent pivot]

having hook can be nice sometimes, but eh

they both have decent cleave for killing mobs but sub better ST/burst

[fathom crag]

idk i feel like outlaw will be 24/7 pump

[potent pivot]

dance cd is so low now that idk if it'd matter

[stiff cedar]

oh for leveling sorry

i must've misread that

i prefer hook for lvling yeah it feels nice

[potent pivot]

sometimes i just swap specs as well

like take subterfuge on sub

and shadowstrike teleport between packs of mobs

just nuke any kill quests that way

[stiff cedar]

i will say depending on tuning subh as been my pref in the past bc you could just strike teleport, evis, stealth, strike port, evis, restealth

and it was infinite mobil

[potent pivot]

yeh

thats what i did at the start of tww

then when undermine came out i did outlaw

cuz the car was annoying af at first

and no flying

[glass hazel]

no drs on nameplates?

come back recently and cant find anything

none of my pvp addons working as well

or looks like i'm blind dunno, checked reddit people writing there is drs >.<

[stiff cedar]

not sure if you can get nameplate dr's there are on your arena frames tho

[sharp sierra]

Play outlaw so you can actually feel like you do damage while leveling because once you hit max that’s over

[potent pivot]

MidnightDRs

[potent pivot]

You can with addons, they are just finicky

[glass hazel]

thanks

also is there any replacement for wa that was tracking peoples big cd?

[potent pivot]

[glass hazel]

haha why

[potent pivot]

i hate that people use shit like that

weakauras were supposed to be dead with all the addon changes, and that was one of the only addons that NEEDED to be killed

now there's "miniCC" and "MvqUI" i think

but tbh its unnecessary

bigdebuffs shows when CDs get popped in 2 places already

[glass hazel]

i remember blizz said there will be visuals for it when people press cds

[potent pivot]

ye they added a bigdebuffs into the base settings

[glass hazel]

like more obvious ones with all that shit going around cant see anything actually

[potent pivot]

thats not obvious enough?

[glass hazel]

yeah that what i was asking didnt mean timers

thanks :x

i phrase it wrong i guess

[potent pivot]

naw u phrased it right

there's other addons that have a big icon/text pop up like old weakauras

"HEALER IN CC"

i think those are dogshit and shouldn't be allowed

this shit at the top

[glass hazel]

lol so unfair to someone not familiar with this stuff

clearly an advantage

[wanton breach]

https://klipy.com/gifs/always-has-been-among-us

[glass hazel]

well, i start to pvp only in tww

so everything was new for me

and now with all this changes need to learn again

[halcyon timber]

its reading what is on the UI blizz put on the screen already and centering it . Cant parse combat log/ retrieve secret or nil values etc.

[potent pivot]

i know. still think its dogshit.

[halcyon timber]

Blizz will likely make more customizable stuff at some point concerning things such as this ig

Nameplates are really locked too so unless blizz engineers decide to unblock things , DR tracking on that wont be a thing anytime soon if ever either.

[potent pivot]

?

already exists

[halcyon timber]

Show examples please

[potent pivot]

bruh

they are just very finicky so far

like only showing current target DRs in BGs/wpvp

they work in arena afaik but still need some work

[halcyon timber]

This a mix of bbp / minicc + x?

[potent pivot]

huh?

the dr addons are standalone

[halcyon timber]

From screenshots appears to be calculating unit based “since last X”. Definitely unreliable

Im tracking on what you said, there was no confusion. It was a question for clarification and precision to narrow down how things function.

[potent pivot]

ye but they are reliable

in arena at least

outside of arena something on the backend is different

[dark moon]

What's that dr tracker on top of the unit frames?

[halcyon timber]

Id ask if people factually tested but I dont want to attract attention to them as that isnt cool.

[potent pivot]

they are probably coded by ai or some shit idk

[halcyon timber]

It just depends what it is reading , not sure if it is font strings, reading old api for cleu (should be restricted), etc (all of that crap and more is blocked hard - good)

Devs arent dumb and likely are just letting the fish catch themselves

Simultaneously, they likely already have things planned and scheduled to release in batches

[river pollen]

My question was too goofy for this chat

[halcyon timber]

People generally “dont” unless you are within stealth detection range

If a DH has his spectral sight or a paladin uses their DS truesight talent then you’re caught.

[river pollen]

Oh nice

Ty king

[halcyon timber]

A hunter using the sentinel camouflage has greatly increased range while in camouflage as well.

Outside of these and someone picking up a shadowsight orb then “generally” not going to detect you and your companions

[river pollen]

For some reason i thought it was like in classic

I remember seeing someone stealth thinking he was slick in classic with his cat running around lmfao

[halcyon timber]

There is a visual error on the shader at times but you “should” be camouflaged with your companions reliably unless someone uses absurd aoe that spreads things at long ranges

Lots of “it depends” scenarios that will break your cover

[halcyon timber]

Also keep in mind if a shadow priest tags you and the dots crit - the spirit / phantom / whatever will follow you and make contact blowing your cover too. Its just how particle systems work.

[sharp sierra]

I keep forgetting to turn it off in EBGs and it’s just “DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING”

[ionic crown]

@halcyon timber

Blizzard did not flag the CC category values returned by the Loss of Control API as secret and they have no reason to restrict this feature

[vocal surge]

Back from work?

[gusty hedge]

if its a pet and ur a non hunter threy can still see your pet. Its goofy sometimes ur pet is invisible other times(most) you can just see apet running around

[sharp sierra]

Just got off

[vocal surge]

Ah

[vocal surge]

wanna check out my Subtlety build?

[sharp sierra]

Send it I’ll check it out when I wake up after getting home lmao

Overnight shift

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Its essentially

Builder --> Finisher --> FInisher

repeat

you get so many Coup de Graces, its nutty

[ionic crown]

is this talent still buggy?

ive tested it with darkest night and there was no diff 🙁

[quick crypt]

You putting outlaw on bench next season? 😄

[spring bough]

Sounds like fate

[elfin heart]

guys, any good wpvp build for leveling as sub?

[spring bough]

Yeah. Dungeon Que 😂

[vocal surge]

Nah, just had a funny thought last night

And this became a degenerate session lol

+80% haste subtlety

From 80% haste Outlaw

[jolly sierra]

just do dungeons xd

[jaunty osprey]

ok im ready to get back into wow

[spring bough]

Today’s the day

Time to level up

[muted abyss]

gonna level my druid first to farm herbs and ore, no point in rushing to 90 with no pvp gear available yet

[cobalt vector]

Coming from feral, fuck I suck at staying alive in BGs and WPVP. Have too much of that hybrid mindset. Any tips?

[spring bough]

Guardian does more dps right now lol

[cobalt vector]

Oh I’m aware. I’ve just wanted to try rogue after never playing one.

[molten hedge]

Your sub rog is waiting for you

[analog tapir]

im still trying to cope with that assa rogue is gonna be playble but i know sub is gonna be best :S

[spring bough]

DH >>>>>

[molten hedge]

Dev DH seems like you’d get bored out of your mind after a bit

That’s why you have 2 rogs:) I have 6 for no reason. Prob won’t play more than 2

Got a little trigger happy boosting my friends on siren isle

I lvled like 15 alts lol

But I do have 2 accounts so I’d do 2 at a time

[analog tapir]

WHAT DO U MEAN WITH dh ? :d

sorry caps

i got 4 rogues XD

[spring bough]

S tier

[outer sky]

The Vulpera rogue dream is real bois!

[potent pivot]

It’s always worked with darkest night

Or do you mean since they changed it

[analog tapir]

u can never have to many rogues 😄 i got 1 i do pve on with 1 guild and the other 1 i do pve on a alliance guild

same with pvp 1 horde 1 ally there

[sharp sierra]

So we starting a raid of rogues to power level or what?

[outer sky]

I just made my 4th yesterday

[spring bough]

4? I got 12 😭

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/midnight-pvp-currencies-and-dates-608370

[spring bough]

Ight so Tuesday we fully decked with honor gear

[outer sky]

Any vulpera?

[spring bough]

Never

Got a goblin one tho

[outer sky]

lame

[sharp sierra]

I wonder if that bg hidden quest will work on the ai mode

The one where it gives you the crafting materials for 3 pieces of gear

[potent pivot]

it always has in the past

[sharp sierra]

No but for the new ai mode

[potent pivot]

idk

you just do comp stomp

[molten hedge]

Does anyone know if class halls are still timegated? Considering getting Druid class hall done for lunar mount so I can lvl on 2 accts with herb/mining $$$

[sharp sierra]

Why don’t they have you run the pvp sections on the big boy sites instead of people that don’t even pvp

[potent pivot]

i ain't got time for allat

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-monkey-amaze-gif-26835078

[jaunty osprey]

wonder if you can buy honour gear before early access and refund after

[potent pivot]

it should just sell for gold at that point

not much reason to anyway since honor gear won't be purchasable

[outer sky]

Think he means in that hour or 2 window where you can get a refund if you dont equip it

[potent pivot]

yes i know

that usually just disappears on the new patch

[jaunty osprey]

well good for alts that i dont wanna grind on during prepatch

starting with 4k

better than 0

[molten hedge]

Someone said it’s like campaign and suramar and artifacts and class hall. I didn’t play wow back then so might be cooked. I’ll just run one acct on each monitor maybe ride the love rocket 😉

[potent pivot]

ye i just don't think it'd work

maybe worth a try but all the old gear's 2 hour window should just disappear on the new patch

[potent pivot]

do you just need a 2 seater mount?

or is there a specific one you can gather without dismounting or somethin

[molten hedge]

Ya I think the lunar owl allows you to not dismount. Not a huge deal though just would save a little time

Ya but I may have to do the entire legion campaign in all territories that’d take forever

You can still get mage tower wdym? Not weps but I’ve been farming sets

[potent pivot]

is that a 2 seater?

[molten hedge]

Yessirrr

[potent pivot]

ah

[molten hedge]

You ever seen the big owl. I see Druids in Dorn a lot with it

Apparently there’s a 3 seater called Hivemind lol

Ok maybe I’ll do it then

You start that in Dalaran right

I did archaeology for scimitars of sirocco nerve again

[potent pivot]

you have to have done the campaign on at least 1 char

[molten hedge]

Oof

[molten hedge]

I may have one character I did everything but suramar on lemix actually

But I heard suramar is a long one

The question is… is the 6-8 hours I spend on that and class hall make up for the time I’ll lose just farming on the rocket gathering/lvling. prob not

[woven copper]

How do you like the new table on icy? Is there one somewhere about PvP rather than PvE?exc murlok

[molten hedge]

So maybe a project for next xpac haha

[potent pivot]

there's a pvp section on icyveins

but it looks like the rogue section is now updated by a mistweaver monk so

take that as you will

[outer sky]

I remember getting that mount. It was funny because toxic players that didnt have any friends couldnt get it. And yeah it seats multiple people but ONLY the people you got it with can ride it with you

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

This doesnt look right

[potent pivot]

how much you wanna bet they just copied murlok for their talents

[outer sky]

Idk if I would even trust a mistweaver monk to update the mistweaver guide let alone the assassination rogue guide

[potent pivot]

their build is fatebound

probably left half this shit from Shadenox

[jaunty osprey]

imagine it mentioned pressing shiv

[woven copper]

Is there any chance they'll get assa out of the bottom by the first season? Or can we already spend tokens on levelling demo lock?

[proven field]

When do we get sudden overwhelming damage

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[molten hedge]

LOL WUT

[potent pivot]

it does btw

[outer sky]

It mentions a blindside proc but the build shown doesnt even take blindside

[potent pivot]

again, they probably didn't even edit a lot of Shade's old stuff

this same person does the monk, mage, druid, rogue, priest guides

[outer sky]

Shit any of us could do a better job

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ravil27-gif-24028314

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-rudd-gif-20811199

[outer sky]

Anyone wanna place bets on how much blizzard will miss the 3pm PST goat for getting Midnight out by?

[potent pivot]

i don't think anyone here cares but

[outer sky]

Ugh Seat of the Triumvirate is one of the dungeons this season? Guess im not doing keys this season

[potent pivot]

aren't they doing something weird with the raids this season

like a staggered release of multiple mini raids or smoe shit?

voidspire, dreamrift, and march on quel danas?

thats so weird

RWF is gonna be 3 weeks long?

[outer sky]

You'll play hide and seek as your new pvp mode and you'll like it

[potent pivot]

It would be kinda cool if they added bounty hunter to wpvp

Other than the 10 kill shit we have now

If you have war mode on you are assigned a kill target/can be assigned as a target. Even in major cities.

[sharp sierra]

doesnt even pvp

outlaw section has them using ambush lol

[potent pivot]

They do

[potent pivot]

What’s wrong with that

[jaunty osprey]

no way LOL

[potent pivot]

Law not using it anymore or summin

[sharp sierra]

Theres zero reason we would ever run ambush anymore

it was only there for stealth windows

and since thats gone its dead

[outer sky]

Did you do the quest chain for the rogue class mount back in Legion? It was really well designed. You had to go and assassinate targets, who were still NPCs, but they were located in major cities like Stormwind and Orgrimmar. And this was before "war mode" was a thing so you'd just always be flagged for world pvp. And the NPC targets weren't in some phased version of the city. They were in the actual city that all the players of the other faction were in. Was fun.

[potent pivot]

Tru

[jaunty osprey]

trickz knew that legion remix was coming out back in 2017

so he waited for remix

[potent pivot]

I haven’t spec’d outlaw for more than 5 min in months

[jaunty osprey]

and just bought the mount

[potent pivot]

But ye they do pvp

But only as mw afaik

[sharp sierra]

to be fair we could run aducity but theres not a single talent worth trading for it

[potent pivot]

I didn’t play back then

[subtle warren]

wait did they push back early access from today at 3pst?

nvm

[outer sky]

Last i saw it was 3pm pst today

[subtle warren]

I wasnt paying attention

when i read that

it is

[outer sky]

But im almost certain they will fail to meet that goal

[spring bough]

Are they gonna be on time

[outer sky]

Fuck no LOL

[proven field]

was that the bat mount?

[outer sky]

No

its a bird

[stoic spruce]

No, idiot

It's a plane

[proven field]

oh right, the priest one always looked hilarious to me

[analog tapir]

whos ready for midnight ? IM HYPED

[outer sky]

Get on my level bro

[potent pivot]

What are you doin man

[spring bough]

Bro is living out his furry truth

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Think I’m leveling DH first today

Tank Que and just ram dungeons lmao

[outer sky]

???

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

forgot to get my pve ilvl up

[vocal surge]

19 more mins

Fueled up on spicy burritoes I cooked up

that left my hands burning with a new irl buff called Dragonbreath Chili because of how hot I feel lol

[sharp sierra]

wait fr

i thought it was later

[ocean thunder]

other than profession / money headstart, is tehre any reason to pay the extra 40$ for the headstart?

[potent pivot]

Nah

[potent pivot]

lol

[sharp sierra]

300mg energy drink ready

[potent pivot]

lol

[spring bough]

Are we looking to be on time

[potent pivot]

Idk

I’m at work

Popping into streams here n there

[sharp sierra]

cant wait for 10 second delay between globals

[outer sky]

Deepening Shadows inst increasing Dance duration with haste received from Bloodlust

[potent pivot]

Right

[outer sky]

just play assa, you won't even notice the difference from how it normally plays

[potent pivot]

That’s so it doesn’t desync CDs I thought

[vocal surge]

Yes

[vocal surge]

Shouldn't be that bad

[sharp sierra]

its gonna kick everyone out right?

or do i log in

[potent pivot]

Shouldn’t naw

The portal or whatever it is should just open up in stormwind/org

[spring bough]

should just be able to go right in at 6pm,

patiently waiting for the campaign quest to pop up lol

Server login Que

[gusty hedge]

game kicked me offline lol when i try to log in it sends me back to the log in screen xD

[spring bough]

Yeah I decided to relog at 6

Can’t get back in

[sharp sierra]

Shift J and accept if you dont have it auto

btw

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

void dh at 62 guess im lvling the rogue first

[spring bough]

That would work if the game would log me in

[sharp sierra]

LMAO

[spring bough]

Cool

So everyone relogging at the same time GG

[subtle warren]

are we live boys

[sharp sierra]

if you also dont see the npc go into the hut at the right

[spring bough]

5 minutes later login went thru

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

We are onto silver moon boys

Quest auto accepts on login

[vocal surge]

Huge

[muted abyss]

nope, servers down

[sharp sierra]

cap

[gusty hedge]

stuck on loging in to game server

[molten hedge]

You and everyone

[sharp sierra]

just wait it took people and streamers a few min

so glad i logged in before haha

[gusty hedge]

been 8 mins xD

[sharp sierra]

shoulda logged in

[gusty hedge]

[sharp sierra]

now youre 1 level behind

gg

might as well quit now

[gusty hedge]

😂 😭

[spring bough]

Almost 81 what yall talking bout

Smh

[gusty hedge]

guess ill try a character on the realm its stuck on

[sharp sierra]

i just killed 8 alliance

forgot to turn pvp off

and blade fury did the rest

xD

[spring bough]

Leave it on more xp from quests lol

[sharp sierra]

can i get title>

cause these guys arent geared

and zero alliance groups

for once

[vocal surge]

Its all fun and games

Till you get the Assassin buff

then you cant fly anymore

[sharp sierra]

I HATE THE FUCKING ALLIANCE SO MUCH

OF COURSE THEY GROUP IN THIS

[potent pivot]

You’re on the wrong side of history on this one.

[exotic dove]

So I tried leveling as Assa just for the hell of it and that lasted 2 seconds I swapped sub and doing more dps have more engergy and destroying things lol

[sharp sierra]

nah alliance always group in world

[outer sky]

holy fuck this leveling is so boring

[potent pivot]

Horde do too

[outer sky]

taking longer than it should because i keep getting distracted ganking people

[potent pivot]

They just have war mode off cuz they’re pussy

[sharp sierra]

cant name a single bg without alliance premade or open world because they are scared to pvp without a pocket tank and healer

[spring bough]

And we are hearth bound to silver moon TIME TO LOCK IN

[spring bough]

25% more xp is so worth it

[sharp sierra]

bruh i keep dcing on the flyhing part

[spring bough]

Time to memorize where everything is at in this city

[sharp sierra]

bro i dead ass cant stop crashing at the flying part

[potent pivot]

At least Alliance have friends

[sharp sierra]

🧑‍🌾

[spring bough]

Yk what’s bullshit?

They didn’t reset bloody tokens yet and crates are dropping

So even if we get tokens now they’ll just reset 😭

81 and apex talents loving life

[vocal surge]

you lvl 81 yet?\

[sharp sierra]

....i keep picking fights

so no not yet

druid bear form should be disabled in pvp combat

[vocal surge]

im almost 82 lol

[sharp sierra]

you running fb for hook rn?

[spring bough]

Putting delves in the campaign quest line is cool

[sharp sierra]

oh wait yeah i should que for dungeons i didnt even think about that

[vocal surge]

Trickster

[sharp sierra]

is there even any point in the gear

or is our conquest gonna be good for a while

[vocal surge]

its good for a wihle

Popping bosses for 83k DPS

[spring bough]

tank DH a cheat code to level with lol

[sharp sierra]

something isnt right here...

oh wtf the warmode bonus is 25% now

[spring bough]

mine was valeera lol

[sharp sierra]

why arent you carrying all of us on your dh tank

wasted potential

[spring bough]

hogging all the ques about to be 83 lmao

[sharp sierra]

you just gonna dungeon spam?

[spring bough]

doing that and questing

[outer sky]

Can someone link me the sub talent build for dungeon spam?

[potent pivot]

Wowhead

[outer sky]

i thought the guy making those builds had no idea whats going on

[potent pivot]

???

[outer sky]

werent we making fun of that earlier

[potent pivot]

That was IceyVeins pvp shit

[outer sky]

ah

[potent pivot]

Ffs

!ban @mellow barn scam spam

[sharp sierra]

do we know what the highest ilvl is for now?

Feels like i dont wanna swap my pvp gear for the times i do have to fight lmao

[hybrid sapphire]

ppl are already playing midnight and im here waiting like a fool bc im a prole

[outer sky]

Im in the same boat. Im not swapping my pvp gear for anything under 170 ilvl

[sharp sierra]

It’s kinda fun being on a room of hella people just waiting for someone to start shit 🤣

I had two guardian druids add me to a group to farm some alliance it was fun

[outer sky]

Oh ive been killing people all night

Like ill see some horde trying to kill a mob i need for the quest im also doing

Kill them

Kill the mob

Get the credit

Ive been a real dick to, like that one quest where you need to trap the cats and shoo the birds

Id just see someone casting to do it

Sap them

Then do it myself

Get the credit

Kill them

Move on

People cant bitch about it anymore

I mean they can but nobody cares

Because theres literally a button you can press to make sure that never happens

[potent pivot]

Oh they definitely care. You seen the forums? I know you have

Forum troll

[outer sky]

Had this one time this pally was fighting a bunch of mobs for a quest. He bubbled because he was dying, mobs all at 20%. Bubble ends, i open on the pally, kill him, then finish off the mobs

Get all the credit

[outer sky]

I mean nobody who matters

[sharp sierra]

AOE blind on a whole alliance group trying to kill a mob is fun as fuck

I just blind then run away 🤣

[outer sky]

Blizzard will just say "turn off warmode"

[sharp sierra]

Nah lowkey I did this too

[outer sky]

Yeah when I run by people in stealth ill just drive by sap them to be annoying

[sharp sierra]

3x haha

[outer sky]

Rookie numbers

[potent pivot]

2,000 rogue nerfs later “nobody who matters”

[outer sky]

Theyre not gunna nerf us over world pvp while leveling lol

They'll do it for a completely different reason

[potent pivot]

Extreme levels of copium in this statement

[outer sky]

Its so fucking satisfying when you see another player almost dying to low health mobs and you open on them with cheap shot and you just know it tilted them

Then finish them off in 2 globals

Kill the mobs they basically almost killed for you

And get all the credit

While they get nothing

[grave basin]

Get them low enough the mob kills them

Chefs kiss

Finally gonna log on now

[outer sky]

One time tonight I found this guy running away from a bunch of mobs that were about to kill him and I just blinded him so the mobs could catch up

Wish I clipped that

[grave basin]

MIDNIGHT HYPE

MIDNIGHT HYPE

[hybrid sapphire]

this feels like cheating in rando BGs

[potent pivot]

@stoic spruce leveling dk first?

[stoic spruce]

rogue

[sharp sierra]

a mfer who aint got pvp on

[grave basin]

is it just me or is leveling long as fuck

2hrs to get to 81

[potent pivot]

ewwww

[potent pivot]

seems that way

most ppl i see are only 84-85 so far

[sharp sierra]

5 hours in and barley 83

[grave basin]

wearing this too to get free rep later

[dark moon]

This legit makes me want to hunt that guy for the next half an hour umtil he doesn't give me honor ahhaha

[dark moon]

Is there a new silvermoon rep which works with thia tabard?

[spring bough]

I did 83 in 3 hours

[grave basin]

Ok relax chuds

My cow can only go so fast

[stoic spruce]

booooooooo

[potent pivot]

i might do dk first idk yet

[grave basin]

Im doing dk first

Ez disease 10 mobs apoc all dead

[potent pivot]

ikr

either that or dh

campaign seems fucking long

[stoic spruce]

I heard leveling is pretty slow this time around

[grave basin]

Idk how im gonna level my roster

[dark moon]

1 by 1 kekw

[stoic spruce]

Perseverance my guy

Azliey

[grave basin]

In tww i just dungeon spammed and it was quick

[stoic spruce]

You know what I heard?

I heard they called you a bitch

And that you can't level your characters

You just gonna stand there and take that?

[spring bough]

Tank spec so fast for ques

[grave basin]

I heard popo = poop

True or true

[stoic spruce]

It do be true

But are you gonna stand there and take that?

You gotta prove em wrong

[grave basin]

Nah im gonna level 1 toon to max, do all the sojourner quests and w/e achievements

Until im done then ill level alts

[sharp sierra]

i got 3 million gold to not have to level my alts

[spring bough]

Gotta get that alt campaign skip ready first lol

[quick crypt]

Sub or outlaw for leveling?

[dark moon]

Your preference

[outer sky]

Wait did they only get rid of the 3rd DR in pvp?

[grave basin]

Pve mobs not fully drd anymore

[outer sky]

?

[grave basin]

Read any dr change blue post

[outer sky]

Oh man, this new dungeon, Murder Row

Really well done

Promote the guy who designed that one

Phenomenal, really

[sharp sierra]

First 3 dungeons ngl i really like

they really outdid themselves

[outer sky]

nah fuck that first one

its aight

Murder Row is brilliant

[sharp sierra]

they all give that first experiance of when we got nokkud hold with dragonflying

haha the third one is a nightmare with new tanks that just pull and dont kill totem

[outer sky]

You can tell they stopped giving a shit when designing the first one because they put 2 bosses literally back to back

But in Murder Row

its so cool

[sharp sierra]

almost ready to swap gear

honestly might just swap now

my dmg is pitiful

[outer sky]

I've always liked it thematically when there are bosses in the game who are supposed to be the same classes that the players are and they use all of our abilities. Like one of my favorite raid bosses was from Battle of Dazar'alor in S2 of BFA. Jaina Proudmoore was the last boss. She's a mage. And when you phase her for the last time in the fight, she Ice Blocks. Which we all know is a mage's "oh shit" button

And Murder Row has several bosses like that

[sharp sierra]

yeah true

there was some tww dungeons i liked but not many

nothing like these

[outer sky]

In Murder Row the last boss summons an Infernal and it gets imprisoned by a Demon Hunter

then she uses summon Veilfiend and blasts us with Chaos Bolts

so cool

and unlike the players that use those abilities, the boss can actually die

So I guess I just have to take rez sickness then????

[vocal surge]

84 slow?

or just haven't done much questing?

[boreal briar]

Late, but you can run further down the hall and find your body near the last room. That way you don't have to res sickness. I ran into the same issue.

[sharp sierra]

idk im 10/17 for main campaign rn

[molten hedge]

I’m 82 but doing campaign on 3 accts :/ slow asf

[sharp sierra]

maybe im just slow

i also havent swapped my gear idk if its worth it till i get higher than pvp item level but looks like everyone is swapping

[molten hedge]

So I’m kinda lvl 86 if you think ab it #juicer

[sharp sierra]

85 now

[vocal surge]

Huge

I slept 6hrs

but almost 84

[sharp sierra]

you still in your pvp gear?

[vocal surge]

Im using PvE gear

Popping quest bosses in under 7s

[sharp sierra]

shit yeah imma swap it then haha

[vocal surge]

Ye

doing 80k DPS

[sharp sierra]

longest ive played outlaw and my left hand is starting to act up xD

[vocal surge]

xD

[outer sky]

Oh boy, 0 health over 21 seconds

[vocal surge]

Classic Items having that issue lol

[leaden agate]

[outer sky]

I just dinged 84. I cant believe how many more times I have to do this

[vocal surge]

just queue dungeons on launch day

[sharp sierra]

calling here for the night

[outer sky]

What level did you get to?

[sharp sierra]

86

chapter 11/17

[vocal surge]

F

[sharp sierra]

my fucking hand hurts ive never felt this way playing any spec xD

[outer sky]

my god man after 9 hours

thats horrible

[sharp sierra]

lmao i spent way too long fighting people everywhere

totally my fault

[outer sky]

I expected to be able to do 80-90 in like 6 hours max

[sharp sierra]

yeah same

ngl good on them its weird the quests feel long but at the same time not full of filler i guess? idk feels good

alt nightmare im def getting my alts boosted fuck that lol

[outer sky]

oh yeah 100%

[sharp sierra]

I hope all guardian druids in WM have a stroke tonight and tomorrow

[outer sky]

Probably already had one to make them want to play that crap to begin with

[grave basin]

Playing rider DK with the talent that lets you mount in combat atleast makes it fun

[outer sky]

This should be a mount. I hope it is

The WoW Forums LOL I'm balling my eyes out laughing so hard right now LMAO

[dark moon]

how's the leveling going guys? is it on the slower end or?

[outer sky]

Its horrible

Someone here played for 9 hours and only got to level 86

I got to level 84 and like half way to 85 before I just couldnt take it anymore

The new dungeons seem good though

Especially Murder Row

[dark moon]

9 hours for 86 isnt bad

[outer sky]

Should be 90 after 6 hours tops imo

Nobody bought the game to do these stupid braindead quests

[dark moon]

not the first time imho, cause its like one evening max level and would feel stangnant

12-13 hours for new content leveling is best i think

[outer sky]

Blizzard needs to give us more of what we bought the game to do and less of what we didnt buy it to do

[dark moon]

that would mean no downtime for start of new week

[outer sky]

Well they also aren't starting the season until too late either

March 17th

Shit should be a week earlier

[vocal surge]

The biggest stagnation for me was the intro quest

Cut that out and I'm 3hrs in at 85

Otherwise almost 4hrs

[outer sky]

My biggest problem is sometimes my sectec hits a adjacent horde player to the mob im killing and he takes that as me attacking him and that somehow turns into like a 20 minute long pvp brawl with every player in the general area

[vocal surge]

Rip

He got ptsd

[dark moon]

when im leveling with friends im forbidden to have warmode on, because if someone ganks me or one of my friends, its straight up brawl, but im petty and start corpse camping them until they call friends or flee the area

so its turns out they are essentially paying a subscription to not play the game by sitting ghost

[short rivet]

what is the best build for being a piece of shit and ganking people. do i go full st or do i play like a 2s pvp build

[twin wren]

Anyone max level yet?

Surely someone went big 😄

[fervent cobalt]

Almost 89 and some

[short rivet]

:o

[fervent cobalt]

Gg

[short rivet]

ye

but i've been trolling most of the night honestly

i've been going around

perma sapping people

off dr

when they are trying to quest

[twin wren]

Rogue life

[dark moon]

my man

i personally know people that get high blood pressure from getting sapped and not opened on

[short rivet]

hahahaha

im sitting in the like castle thing above the bazaar

where you have to like interact with 8 npcs in a row

and i just perma sap

swap targets

just to be annoying

[dark moon]

hahhahaah

[twin wren]

You can perma sap? like actually?

[short rivet]

9 seconds

then u wait for dr

and do it again

they get like 10 second downtime

[dark moon]

sap sap into blind into wait a bit if u dont want to cheap then sap again

[short rivet]

then 9 sec sap again

[dark moon]

hahahha

[short rivet]

yea but blind is just too long cd

can't do it on all :(

[dark moon]

also distract

kekw

[spring bough]

So who is 90 yet lol

[dark kernel]

Me

Huehuehue

I think I hit 83 did 2 dungeons the delve twice and farmed a ton of mats

[quick crypt]

Outlaw?

[dark kernel]

Playing sub ATM

[quick crypt]

Do you get any warband bonuses for alts levelling after hitting max?

[subtle warren]

are quests fastest way to level or dungeons?

[potent pivot]

those probably come later if they're going to add them

[potent pivot]

i assume you need to do the campaign at least once anyway right

[dark moon]

im leveling on release, busy with other shit now

[gusty hedge]

DONE

[potent pivot]

assa lvling looking surprisingly good as well

[vivid moat]

For PVP does choice of race matter or just go with what I think is cool?

[potent pivot]

it matters slightly more than in pve, just depends what you want to do

if you're just getting into the game you should just go with whatever you like the most for sure

[vivid moat]

I want to do pve and pvp. For pvp will be playing arena anf BG etc and world pvp.

[dark kernel]

Hey there stinky. Do you mind if I call you stinky?

[vivid moat]

I think undead looks cool but heard dwarf and night elf are best for pvp.

[potent pivot]

not necessarily nah

undead though isn't great in pvp or pve

but really like i said if you're just getting into the game, just play whatever

you won't realistically see the advantages of playing something 1% better

[gusty hedge]

im unable to create Haranir campaign for each zone done only sidequest left (main reason i pushed so hard)
lvling sucked ngl but it beats classic lvling, ive been doin that up until early acesss

[vivid moat]

Seems like stoneform would help alot to be able to vanish due to DOTS in pvp

[potent pivot]

not really worth nah

[dark kernel]

Yeah I feel you. If I had time I'd be there too. Classic wow leveling makes me want to drink heavily

[potent pivot]

you'd only ever need to do that in like BGs maybe

and it shares a cooldown with your trinket so

[quick crypt]

Haranir locked until official release

[vivid moat]

So if you are not a dwarf and you need to Vanish because everyone is attacking you how do you Vanish if you any damage over time effects on you?

[potent pivot]

you don't really use vanish to go for clean restealths in arena

you just use it as a defensive or access to CC

if you absolutely have to run from someone in wpvp/BGs you can either vanish->sprint and dip or just die

not worth picking a race just to plan for weird scenarios like that

most people are just going to play orc or w/e they prefer this expansion, just pick what you like

[quick crypt]

Do you enjoy outlaw? Have you tried wpvp? Feelings? Mate you flex with your max level but we need details 😄

[dark kernel]

Buddy I'm level 83. I did do some mage vs rogue in the world last night. But I was sub. It was fun

Haven't touched outlaw yet will once in 80

[quick crypt]

I replied to bad message, my bad

[spring bough]

I think haranir is locked till Tuesday?

[dark kernel]

Yes

[proven field]

was gonna swap to outlaw when I dive in, assa holding up?

[potent pivot]

yee

sudden demise just kills everything tbh

gar->rupt->CT->envenom and everything is usually dead

[spring bough]

So you leveling sin first or DK or DH? lol

[potent pivot]

i'm going off watching whispyr lvl rn

i haven't decided what ima do yet

i need to fix my ui still

doesn't seem like much has changed

[spring bough]

For DH like absolutely nothing changed lol

[potent pivot]

oh i meant the UI

i might even run one of those spaceship ui things in the middle of my screen now

[spring bough]

Whispyr prob has that omega ilvl tho

[potent pivot]

since omnibar is dead

[spring bough]

Did a random dungeon last night and a 170 ilvl arcane mage was in it

[potent pivot]

ig i have no idea

[spring bough]

Pulled every pack to first boss and this dude did 10x the next persons damage lol

Tanking dungeons and campaign questing is omega fast lol

[potent pivot]

ayoo

@outer sky

huge

@stoic spruce

those are the transmogs that come with the lich king thing

[spring bough]

Jfc another addon ima download 🤦‍♂️

[potent pivot]

This one’s mandatory

[spring bough]

Yk what I’ve been using? MaxDps to replace hekili and not gonna lie it’s accurate 99.9% of the time lol

Reminds me when my poisons are missing

[potent pivot]

I was using a poison reminder addon but it wasn’t clickable

[vocal surge]

[dark kernel]

I am not ready to go back in th bdelves

[proven field]

wonder what his setup and gear is like - is this a dungeon he's ripping fat aoe on?

[dark kernel]

Turn the pvp on

[stoic spruce]

Wtf

[potent pivot]

ye

[proven field]

ah gotcha

i kinda love we can use other 1hs for xmog now for assa/sub

i look sick!

[potent pivot]

very good change yeah

now we just need warglaives of azzinoth to get reclassed into 1h swords

[proven field]

I would drop them right onto that xmog

[spring bough]

wtf how is everyone keeping Bran at their levels and meanwhile I get level 1 Valeera

[potent pivot]

Think it’s just the ui window being bugged

[proven field]

I think lvl 25 Valeera is what everyone really wants

https://klipy.com/gifs/sup-girl-eyebrows

[spring bough]

I hope so and not this OP bran crushing it all lmao

[proven field]

when I met her in silvermoon I was like "damn Valeera, you got me lookin like a five-legged table"

[spring bough]

Bout to make a matching mog like I got for vancleef and Vanessa vancleef

[molten hedge]

No that’s sick actually

[molten hedge]

I didn’t know how sought after those are bc I came to the game late. And I got one and deleted it bc I don’t vibe with glaives super hard and don’t play dh lol. My friends couldn’t believe it

I was trying to get the daggers from that last boss and got that instead and was like damn

[grave basin]

man they really disabled tier sets past lvl 80 huh

[proven field]

should we be looking at DTB for assa because of the apex final talent?

[outer sky]

Yes

[proven field]

so slide into amplifying poison too i guess, goin for lots of envenoms

[hybrid rapids]

Hey chat does any of you have any builds we can try out as sub or any tips

[potent pivot]

pins

haven't put up lvl 90 stuff yet

[potent pivot]

yh

[fervent cobalt]

How do you track dr on name plate now?

[sharp sierra]

https://x.com/wowhead/status/2027383222015783288?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5PA

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

Don't save your quests or turn-ins, we've learned that the Darkmoon Faire reputation buff will no longer apply to the new Midnight faction renown!

#warcraft #midnight

https://t.co/QLkVn1v8Or

X · Feb 27, 2026, 2:00 PM

[spring bough]

Addons now and usually only works in matches and not open world

[sharp sierra]

lol

[spring bough]

NO FUN BLIZZ

[fervent cobalt]

Oof no bgs?

[potent pivot]

midnightDR does bg/wpvp but only for current target

not always accurate in bg/wpvp either

[fervent cobalt]

Ty

[fervent cobalt]

Can you link it please

[restive river]

havn't pvpd in a rogue before. so for rated BG's the random group one, do I have to do nerdy stuff like defend flags and go solo other defenders? I wanna go in the middle and just help jump people with my group

[gusty hedge]

1 WQ up

[potent pivot]

huh

just search that on curseforge or whichever addon thing you use

[restive river]

or what is our main job in the bg shuffle thing

[spring bough]

Bro I better get to 90 later 😭

Can’t even buy the wpvp gear till season start wild that it’s on world quests right now

[potent pivot]

thats your job

the nerdy stuff

rogue doesn't really team fight

[restive river]

🙁

[potent pivot]

we play the objectives

[molten hedge]

That raid buffs addon a lil buggy. In a group with all my accounts and mark of the wild won’t apply to everyone lol

[potent pivot]

no idea. i'm only going to use it for poisons

[molten hedge]

Oh wait

[spring bough]

Are they all ally/horde?

[molten hedge]

It’s bc one is horde

[gusty hedge]

while its hot

[molten hedge]

Yeah lol

[potent pivot]

lol

[molten hedge]

But it doesn’t recognize that

So it’s stuck in the screen. Yeah turning off haha

[potent pivot]

just change the settings

[spring bough]

Meanwhile I’m stuck at work for the next 5 hours 😭

[outer sky]

I'm literally paying the manager I hired last year overtime this week so I can stay home and play WoW

[molten hedge]

U smart yea

[molten hedge]

anyone know what ts is

the extra combo pts on the left

[spring bough]

Personal resource display

Probably checked in blizz settings

[molten hedge]

WINNING

[spring bough]

It randomly gets enabled for me idk why

[molten hedge]

damn you guys are 2/2 this morning

lets see what a third thing is that fked up on my UI

[spring bough]

I’ve had to turn that shit off 10 times over the last week

[molten hedge]

yea my addons been having issues too all week

[spring bough]

For everyone complaining about the state of their class in midnight…. Seems like everyone’s enjoying the campaign and the zones

Got to ZA last night and about to crack it open later

[sharp sierra]

I’m loving the quest lines

Like I was saying to zicore yesterday they feel long yet at the same time impactful

Was really worried dragon flying would make the zones empty like in tww but they did a solid job

[spring bough]

Zones feel pretty damn big versus looking at the world map not gonna lie

[gusty hedge]

pretty much! revisiting old zones updated was pretty nice. mobs respawn quickly too
law lvling didnt feel to good tho

[gusty hedge]

they do!

[spring bough]

I wonder if ZA raid is coming back

They gotta right lol

Good old 10 man raid for nostalgia

[jolly sierra]

did they fixed the fkn trolls or does they still looks like orcs?

[vocal surge]

Leveling Midnight Fishing rn

19/300

[spring bough]

Fishing? Crazy lmao

[spring bough]

Bout to find out later

[proven field]

had two crates drop this morning, both flew into the ground and dropped somewhere near Azeroth's mantle

[spring bough]

I don’t know why they didn’t reset tokens yet

Like we are gonna pick em from these boxes and then they are all gonna get reset at season start 😭

[jolly sierra]

tell me pls, so i can complain for something

XD

[proven field]

that's my fear too; why reset honor but not conq or tokens

[spring bough]

And meanwhile the wpvp quests giving gear too 😭

[proven field]

oh Arator is Spiderman, that's why the voice is so familiar

[sharp sierra]

First time I’m giving outlaw a real chance and 9 hours later my hand was actually cramping 🤣

[gusty hedge]

THIS ^^^

[vocal surge]

XD

[spring bough]

Just use the one button rotation it’s like 99% accurate to outlaws rules

[proven field]

woah we get more rogue talents too? I had no idea; this is awesome

[molten hedge]

Wdym? You thought the ones they took away that gave you a third capstone were gone for good? 😂

[quick crypt]

Who else race changed to elf after seeing Valeera in that habit of hers? 😄

[gusty hedge]

Need Valeera's mog so i can rock my belf, currently rocking sylvanas mog 😂

[waxen meteor]

damn i feel sin is so boring now

so is sub...

[lone jasper]

Thats why i dont want even to login on new expansion.

[waxen meteor]

yeah since prepatch i have been basically afk..

[lone jasper]

I have feeling that blizzard removed the soul of gameplay

[waxen meteor]

it feels indeed a bit soulless playing now

[vocal surge]

Lvl 89

[proven field]

I did! I was like “ok guess we just can’t have tea and double vanish anymore”

[molten hedge]

Oh lmaoo

Ya I’ve been missing my 2nd vanish

[proven field]

I just hit 82 and was like “oh my godddddd”

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-seinfeld-smart-dumb-idiot-gif-23591264

[potent pivot]

not too much changed

[sharp sierra]

youd think theyd have hers

maybe this expac

[gusty hedge]

valeera def got one of the coolest mogs/outfits

[jolly sierra]

she is using lit the same xmog since like tbc

did you noticed it?

[gusty hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSgglFthgO0

[quick crypt]

Is there a Valeera mog or we hope to be added? 😄

[sharp sierra]

no the 400 man alliance babies grouped stole it all

[gusty hedge]

nope but we can h ope xD hope they give it the sylvanas treatment , only mog id probably wear on belf + glaives lol

[vocal surge]

Womp womp

[spring bough]

@wintry dew can we get a full breakdown of all the gear in the game to remake this for mogs?

[spring bough]

You’re just jelly

[sharp sierra]

Sub is the way

im converted

[spring bough]

I played horde for like 18 years

[wintry dew]

i wish

[spring bough]

Then I saw the light when crate farming became a thing

[spring bough]

We need those shoulders

[sharp sierra]

lmao i just hate the alliance areas and goofy storylines

[vocal surge]

lvl 90

[dark kernel]

Damn

I'm level 83

According to the internet we are supposed to be getting honor gear this Tuesday

I would put a definite MAYBE attached to that, because in TWW we got honor gear the same week as conquest

[sharp sierra]

grrr

[vocal surge]

Did Sojourner for 2 zones

while Im at it

[sharp sierra]

the one time horde wins a crate spot with no group

it gets bugged

[vocal surge]

F

Also thats Voidstorm ye?

[sharp sierra]

okay frozen halfway now

and yeah

[potent pivot]

We are

[vocal surge]

About to unlock Voidstorm

and get my WM gear

[dark kernel]

That would be good news

[subtle warren]

anyone else get constant DCs in the first delve? I cant even play

[molten hedge]

Haven’t had any DCs yet luckily

[hidden moth]

they killed my boy

just loged onto midngiht laucnh early thing

whats best spec rn for rogue lvlign 80-90

sub?

[barren nymph]

talents for pvp

and nameplates profiles i need help

[potent pivot]

Gotta figure that one out for yourself atm

[barren nymph]

share urs please if u can

[potent pivot]

There’s talents in the pins if you’re lvl 90 you’ll just have to put in the last few points yourself

I haven’t even finished mine

Either mess with the base UI plates or find an addon you like

That’s a very personal preference kinda thing

[hybrid rapids]

Werent addons gonna be removed?

[potent pivot]

No

They never said they were going to remove addons, just kill certain functionality of certain addons

[hybrid rapids]

I see

[spring bough]

@jolly sierra

Kinda looks like an orc style troll?

[jolly sierra]

they are orcs at my eyes

their fkn nose is still orclike