pvp

[subtle warren]

I’m farmed

But you still need bindings I assume

1% drop from 2 different bosses

That could take years lmao

Oh wow

That would be awesome

Do you have to be outlaw spec when you do it

[molten hedge]

That sounds like too much effort lmao

[subtle warren]

I’ve been trying for original one

But once a week is fried

[outer sky]

LOL

[spring bough]

It’s nice

[molten hedge]

Looks like u have to do quests in stormheim beforehand as well and I haven’t done that. Likely have to do the entire zone lol

[analog tapir]

[Elusiveness] or [Cheat Death] ?

[outer sky]

the airhorns are annoying af I had to turn that shit off. But the talking thing that calls out whats being used is nice

[outer sky]

elusiveness into most things IMO

literally how do you lose playing this spec? Ive went 5-1 in every lobby i've queued so far

[proven field]

This is surv?

[outer sky]

yes

[proven field]

Yeah the burst is so wildly overtuned it’s a joke

[outer sky]

one round some random pig just showed up and one shot somebody for me

[proven field]

I still miss bomb flavours though - liked poison and bleeds

[outer sky]

idk what I even did to cause that

[proven field]

Were you Kermit the frog and did they hit on you

[spring bough]

boar charge passive go BRRRTTTTTT

[twin wren]

Any DR tracker for like your target, not sArena vibe maybe even for world pvp soloing someone or something like that?

[analog tapir]

eeh naa ill stick to sub untill its balanced

[potent pivot]

Anything that isn’t sarena/gladius is kinda scuffed

Can try midnightdrs

[silent linden]

Not working in bgs

[potent pivot]

I don’t think any of them do

[proven field]

better BGE exploded when I tried to use it in a BGB

[outer sky]

BGE shows DRs on BG frames

[spring bough]

Devourer gonna be so good lol

[hazy monolith]

check out my addon Fresh Drs

[grim sequoia]

As soon as i realized that i dont have to zug zug, and concentrate on CCing people, sub rogue clicked

slightly boring to play though

[molten hedge]

We get the best and worst of both worlds if DH and mage is good lol

[outer sky]

It feels like shit in shuffle because nobody ever CCs the healer off of your stuns and one kidney on the healer really isnt enough

[spring bough]

Getting off 2 collapsing stars absolutely melts 😂

[spring bough]

devourer dh. spectral sight then consume magic on rogue cause its 50 yard range instant knock out of stealth

actually insane for solo shuff lol

[analog tapir]

so i have so many questions about assa rogue..anyone seen any guides or somthing on the web...i cant find anything

[molten hedge]

I used to get knocked out by DHs then I grew thumbs

[outer sky]

2900xp Assa rogue glad every season this xpac how can I help?

[sharp sierra]

I normally dont take tier lists to heart but like

is venruki a real person? I swear hes like the dumbest person on the planet and so far disconnected from the game lmao

[potent pivot]

As far as what exactly?

Go to IceyVeins

Any questions not answered there just ask

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pvp-guide

[analog tapir]

i need hellp with talents caus they dont feel good, and what isd the playstyle they feel unplayble atm 🙁

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

The talents are in the pins. Idk what you mean by "help with the playstyle"

[potent pivot]

The playstyle rn is just apply bleeds, press envenom

The aoe bleed playstyle isn’t a thing anymore

[spring bough]

Ready for this season

[outer sky]

I have to say I admire your constant optimism. Your preferred spec is absolute trash tier but youre still ready to go. Wish I was that hopeful lol

[spring bough]

Well it’s cause ima play some s tier Devourer to offset the lows lmao

[potent pivot]

But devourer is B tier

[outer sky]

Yeah its better on prepatch than on beta

My fallback is survival hunter

[spring bough]

No way they gonna let it stay like that

[outer sky]

I may try WW again but damn it just feels so bad without Keefers Dash

[spring bough]

I got my hunt, DK and warlock ready to go too lol

[outer sky]

I cant do casters

I can semi tolerate devastation evoker

Thats about it

[spring bough]

Demo has a lot of instant casts

[outer sky]

If it requires 123 macros I ain't playing it

[potent pivot]

[proven field]

Augvoker has a lot of the same clutch-play reward circuit rogues have

[stoic spruce]

@jolly sierra SEXOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spring bough]

aoe 30 yard stun is an absolute menace in blitz lol

[ocean thunder]

Why not subrogue if not assa? why devourer? is it so op atm?

[molten hedge]

Get rid of this bot

MODS

[stoic spruce]

@candid condor

[potent pivot]

!ban @distant cloud spam

[potent pivot]

?

[stoic spruce]

Maybe I wanted to talk to him for something completely unrelated

You don't know

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Dude out here jumping to conclusions...

[candid condor]

Hey, popo, how u doin

Lets go over here where notrickz isnt listening, lmao what a doofus

[stoic spruce]

Hey I'm doing great, hope you are too. What a silly little guy notrickz is.

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

"Oh no a unkickable aimed shot whatever will i do...."

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[unborn compass]

holy shit assa is legitimately worthless in pvp

this is actually embarrassing

[outer sky]

We know

[hybrid sapphire]

why am i still seeing pet nameplates if i have them turned off

[outer sky]

Are you using a nameplate addon? Could be a setting in there overriding the base UI settings

[hybrid sapphire]

wait lmao i had some plate addon that was making everything ugly af... im so dumb

[outer sky]

Thats happened to me before. A few weeks ago I kept getting annoyed that my nameplates kept disappearing outside of combat even though I kept checking the "always show nameplates" box in the settings. Turns out there was a setting in Platynator that I had checked that said "only show nameplates when necessary" that kept toggling the nameplates off. So dumb of me.

[hybrid sapphire]

this is so much better than the shit i had wtf

[outer sky]

Yep now all that's left is to play a better class

[hybrid sapphire]

[sharp sierra]

venruki said its good youre just whining

[outer sky]

Venruki said it "feels good" which is true if youre someone who doesnt actively play it

I also think it feels good when the specs i have to play against are bad

Probably not great game design though lol

[sharp sierra]

he kept saying in a duel "why is everyone complaining this dmg is fine"

Then lost like 33 out of 36 shuffle rounds

[outer sky]

Yeah I've heard this from quite a few people

And its shit on beta too

Apex talents arent helping

[sharp sierra]

idk everytime i watch venruki now i cant help but think he has no idea whats going on

[hybrid sapphire]

im gonna get to be the best assa around at this rate 🤩

[sharp sierra]

even when he casts at awc i swear he has zero idea whats happening

thats coming from a 2k peak player xD

[outer sky]

Well if youre the ONLY assa around..

[hybrid sapphire]

thats the joke 😔

[outer sky]

Remember hes most famous for dying without pressing ice block. The "Down goes venruki!" Video from Wrath

[sharp sierra]

[outer sky]

https://youtu.be/0Q5pb-fEQhs?si=c74TlreI5etKntU7

[hybrid sapphire]

omegalul

[sharp sierra]

lmao i normally dont dunk on streamers and hes honestly a chill guy but idk his last few videos are just so disconnected idk how to explain it

then again ive never played at awc so maybe im just being a hater lol

[outer sky]

My father always says "You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing"

[sharp sierra]

This my season fr

[outer sky]

Im gunna get my glad mount then spend the rest of the season doing boosts. Im trying to save up for a tiger

[grave basin]

what is destro

how does this even happen

2600 vs 600 healer

[outer sky]

Did someone on both teams die one round?

[grave basin]

no lol i just took it on r5

the hpal went 0 6

[outer sky]

Damnnn

[grave basin]

how do you lose on uh dk

insane spec

im just smashing buttons and im almost 2.6

[stoic spruce]

You play against a rogue or fury

[outer sky]

Thats kinda how I feel playing survival hunter right now

I only lose when my pet decides to be a dumbass

[grave basin]

i got the most cancerous lobby too

imagine if i were a ww

double destro frost mage

[outer sky]

Yeah that sounds aids af

[potent pivot]

There aren’t many people that I actually shit talk, but the ones I do deserve it

Venruki has been whining about rogue for years and years now

But 95% of the time won’t say shit about mages when they’re op

Now that the class is fully neutered it “feels good”

Fuck that guy lmfao

[stoic spruce]

I accept rogue slander but never from someone who can't admit when their also always OP class is OP

[outer sky]

This was what I was saying. It "feels good" to someone who only ever plays against it.

[proven field]

that is known as "ret pally disease" or RPD

[stoic spruce]

Raccoon Police Department

https://tenor.com/view/thewalkingdead-walkingdead-walking-dead-twd-gif-22176375

[proven field]

they wield the light and also fight zombies

[outer sky]

I have a chronic version of this

My first season seriously doing pvp I was just spam queueing into Neopolitan Ice-cream cleave and getting absolutely trained it was so aids

[proven field]

go assa go assa go!

[potent pivot]

2 minute silence and cheap shot CDs “feel good” I guess

[proven field]

I've never seen a spec full of people who all are completely immune to logic or reason lol

[stoic spruce]

Wouldn't be so bad if this basically didn't effect sub

[outer sky]

No then we would have 3 dead specs instead of 2

[proven field]

DF rebuild, rets are literally thanos-snapping people.. "ret is barely viable, if they nerf us we will riot"

[stoic spruce]

I don't think I worded that right

[potent pivot]

Was literally about to say this

[stoic spruce]

If Sub had an equal amount of CC than outlaw or assa, we'd still be eating good.

You have to be batshit insane to not think our toolkit would be DOA if all specs had the same CC

No better than Ven

[potent pivot]

Huh

[stoic spruce]

It's still really good

Sub is disproportionately better off than assa or outlaw

Making sub not better off would make the other 2 just as good

Meta aside

[outer sky]

I very strongly disagree with that analysis

[stoic spruce]

How

It's objectively correct

[outer sky]

I just think its backwards. Obviously if you nerf sub CC the gap between it and the other 2 rogue specs shrinks. But that doesnt make either of them better than they already are

[potent pivot]

either the way you're saying it is weird as fuck, or it's just wrong

i can't even tell which

[outer sky]

Hes conflating viability in the meta with viability between the 3 rogue specs. But obviously thats wrong. Nerfing sub doesnt make assa or outlaw good

[stoic spruce]

It's not about them being better, it's about them being equal

[outer sky]

But if theyre equally trash who cares

Assa and outlaw are BAD

Nerfing sub does nothing to address that

It just lowers the opportunity cost of not playing sub

But the specs arent only compared to each other, theyre compared to every other dps spec too

[stoic spruce]

Then we're at an impass

Because nothing I say would convince you otherwise

It only rains on rogues huh

[outer sky]

Im not really sure what this is supposed to convey

[potent pivot]

sure seems like it lately

i'm pretty positive assa/outlaw lost the most CC with midnight changes than any other spec in the game

by a long shot

[outer sky]

Oh 💯% its not even close

[stoic spruce]

Sure but calling it trash when its STILL better than most is wild

[outer sky]

Its really not though

[potent pivot]

and what has rogue been doing since Shadowlands?

[outer sky]

Its better than like

[potent pivot]

losing CC

[outer sky]

Arms warrior

[potent pivot]

thats a funny observation

[stoic spruce]

Sub and assa gained disarm and gouge

[stoic spruce]

You can match other specs up bar for bar and rogue is still very high

[outer sky]

Ive said it so many times, cheap shot spam was way too integral to the rogue class to nerf it like this. Its almost like taking sheep spam away from mages

[stoic spruce]

Can't believe cyclone is still in the game tbh

[potent pivot]

in an arena setting they trail behind

[stoic spruce]

Cyclone in the hands of a bad player pisses me off to no end

[stoic spruce]

I just don't see it

[potent pivot]

if assa/outlaw were "still better than most" then some of the big players testing beta would give assa/outlaw the time of day in their war games

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-box-the-netflix-sandra-gif-13157438

[potent pivot]

yet they all call them dogshit

and war games sub because its the only way to glean any good testing from said games, because its the only viable spec in real arena games

[stoic spruce]

Relative to sub yeah

[potent pivot]

no

not even

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[potent pivot]

no

[outer sky]

Relative to most other dps specs

[potent pivot]

relative to other classes

if assa/outlaw were viable against other classes then high level players would test them on a BETA regardless of which rogue spec is better

but they don't because they aren't

[stoic spruce]

How are you, with a straight face, going to say having disarm, smoke, blind, kidney, etc and it's SOMEHOW bad

Wtf are we doing?

[outer sky]

You can make a list like that for a lot of specs

[stoic spruce]

A lot of specs can't say etc

[outer sky]

The only thing thats actually uniquely valuable there is smoke but thats a 3m CD. It cant carry 2 trash tier specs

And smoke loses a lot of value when you dont do any damage

Blind is a 2m CD

That lasts as long as a clone

Kidney is good but it ain't what it used to be

[stoic spruce]

Platypus

Can't wait to be right again

[outer sky]

I certainly hope you are right

[stoic spruce]

Damn mobile discord

[fathom crag]

outlaw/assa is terrible

good damage but 0 cc

pointless to play these specs over sub if want to perform

[stoic spruce]

Relative to sub yeah but "0 cc" is an exaggeration

Which is what I was saying

To think Sub wouldn't be on top is foolish anyway. Idk who would be shocked by this outcome.

[outer sky]

I think ive met maybe 3 ret mains that actually didnt think their spec should be able to one shot someone from across the map every 30 seconds while also being able to completely negate every other go from the enemy team

"But we're immobile"

No the fuck you're not

You have freedom and spend half the game riding that damn horse

And who even cares

Ret isn't melee anymore

They don't even need to "connect"

[wanton breach]

i think they lost a tiny bit of range in prepatch

[stoic spruce]

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-so-sad-small-violin-spongebob-gif-17423788

[grave basin]

If you watched mes' stream today

Post bug fixes divine toll was one tapping like in shadowlands again

[outer sky]

They need to remove that spec from the game

I can't stand them anymore

Never could really

[dark moon]

That was disgusting

Yep rets are an abomination

[sharp sierra]

It’s kinda odd how Hunter/mages lost a lot of cc and or defensives yet all their specs are reasonably well off. This is the closest I’ve seen the mage specs being similar in like forever if not thinking just rmp fire

Doesn’t make any sense why they can’t do the same with rogues

If they just gave outlaw damage and made KS an actually scary ability it would feel a million times better

[analog tapir]

hold on what are u guys arguing about ?

[potent pivot]

assa/outlaw viability compared to other specs in the game

[gleaming sentinel]

If there is only 1 outlaw fan, he is me

[analog tapir]

yeah im in love with old assa i cant just give it up like that :/

all pro players that was assa is not saying much at all about the spec

but i dont get why we only got 1 cheap and sub got 2

lowkey unfair

[quick crypt]

That makes two of us

[grave basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFH_R0fKSro

[stoic spruce]

Why did you say this from my pov

[gleaming sentinel]

there are a dozens of us

(a couple of us)

[dark moon]

dafaq hahah

in a deep dampening meta this class is 100-0-ing people? im not sure what those devs are thinking

1shot potential every 30 seconds?

hell ill roll one if thats the case

[analog tapir]

so this discord, dose it have developers in it '?

[potent pivot]

yes and no, why?

[analog tapir]

well

they dont listen in tickets or on their forums

[potent pivot]

what makes you think that'd be different here?

[analog tapir]

nothing 🙁 but someone got to tell them to make sense to their games.. all this 1 shots and other classes have no dmg what so ever meanwhile others press 2 buttons to kill u :/ i just wanna help the community in anyway and make devs hear it and see it and make sothem do changes :/ i know its stupid but still man..just wanna get shit changed

[stoic spruce]

Dev already made that joke in this server

[potent pivot]

its prepatch right now

things will be move balanced after the expansion actually launches

[subtle warren]

Making a ret alt for sure

Zug zug

[potent pivot]

its not worth spending time balancing level 80 anymore

[subtle warren]

Probs so much better in shuffle if you have a good handle on rogue

Cause you just aren’t cc reliant

[potent pivot]

ret will just get nerfed from what i'm seeing

[subtle warren]

Will it tho

[potent pivot]

ye

[subtle warren]

I’ve been away for a bit I forget what the darling classes are e

[potent pivot]

they've been tuning beta like every week lately

there will also be a lot of tuning after the expansion launches

[dark moon]

if you're referring to level 80 pvp, then just treat your characters as they are now considered leveling characters and not max level in terms of balance. It would be the same on level 20-30-40 - there would be a spec owning everyone. If you're referring to level 90 tuning then one can only hope 😄

[agile kite]

How did sub rogue get easier in PvP than in tww

What am I missing here

It seems exactly the same

[outer sky]

They just baked a bunch of modifiers that used to be separate buttons into shadow dance

[agile kite]

It feels so similar to me

I was expecting like classic gameplay from sub rogue

[spring bough]

did trickz just admit hes the rogue dev 🤯

[potent pivot]

you must not have played it in tww

[agile kite]

I played it in blitz to like 2100 cr

I never ruptured anyways

[potent pivot]

tf

[agile kite]

I learn an opener from weed Tyler

[potent pivot]

should have been

[agile kite]

And would either one shot or take a base

Or lose

[potent pivot]

nah we'd be sittin so fuckin pretty if that was the case

not complaining about every rogue change in the past 5 years

[agile kite]

If I was rogue dev

Back stab and one cool down

Cool down we 1 shot

Back stab 20% chance to one shot

And we get 6 vanishes and 3 blinds

Nothing else

[spring bough]

🤔

[potent pivot]

If I was a rogue dev we would have animations like devourer

And outlaw’s main capstone talent would be called “gettin booty” or something dumb

[spring bough]

Ngl all the Devourer animations make me wanna be a Devourer main

Prob gonna play it just as much as outlaw 😂

[proven field]

Outlaw becomes musketeer spec using 1h rapier and having buttons all be reactionary like fencing

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-son-of-a-b-i'm-in-morty-im-in-gif-5899093260174916062

[proven field]

OH becomes a rose to mack on female skins as flirt CC

[outer sky]

Holy shit what the fuck is ret paladin

i just got 100-0d in like half a second

[spring bough]

am i doing prepatch right?

devourer absolutely smokes love this prepatch shit lol

[dark moon]

ye i also made one

its more fun than rogue atm at least

[spring bough]

dont cast on channel added to all my macros and i got a addon that hits keybind on press and release and its made this class so wicked lol

sending eradicates the nano second void ray is done casting is so good

[dark moon]

i dont like such addons, so im just pressing buttons

but im considering rolling one as a main next season at least in pve

wish we could have a fun rogue class like before

[wet crown]

Now to be fair, new ks problem isnt the animation

[agile kite]

Hunter lost all knocks

Fucking crazy

[outer sky]

didnt they only have explosive trap as a knock?

[agile kite]

Bursting

As well

Maybe surv keeps it idk

[outer sky]

im playing surv and I dont have a knock

but it seems like it would be kind of broken if I did

between pet freedom, disengage, cheetah, tar trap, and binding shot I dont have much problem keeping melee off me

having another kiting tool or 2 would be a little over the top

and im not a very good surv hunter

[molten hedge]

I feel like scatter into root was pretty important

[outer sky]

nah fuck scatter

shit DRd trap

[molten hedge]

For sure

For DPS

[outer sky]

idk i think the toolkit it has now is fine

It feels like if I ever dont have a button to press to peel then I messed up

which is how it should feel

[molten hedge]

I guess we just disagree. Hunter has shit peels

If they’re going your priest or lock there’s little you can do for more than a couple globals

A binding isn’t the equivalent of disarm/stuns or double cloning both

And then u don’t have that for the healer which is ok for surv but not ideal

Damage of surv rn aside, I think someone that mains Hunter that swaps to current assa would say it’s fine now bc they don’t have unlimited cheaps it has enough with a 5 sec kidney and cheap during vanish. And they’d list all the cc that popo or whoever did ln bc when u write stuff down it seems like a lot

Hunter isn’t your main so hunters that have had scatter and the other utility they lost surely aren’t happy and don’t think it’s fine

And it’s really easy to ignore what they lost when it’s an overtuned class bc that shit doesn’t even matter

Like u said u just press takedown and the channel ability I forget the name rn and it one taps

I do think I have a different perception than you though bc I play all casters

[molten hedge]

And Im not saying Hunter is horrible and it has a bad kit. Im just saying similarly to how you feel about outlaw and assa, Hunter mains feel about their class 100%

[outer sky]

Rogue lost more CC than any other class

Well assa/outlaw did

[molten hedge]

The cheap shot change isn’t comparable ik

I agree

We deff agree on that

[outer sky]

And also

We've been losing CC

[molten hedge]

I just heard Venruki say assa is A tier he thought about S tier

[outer sky]

Progressively

[molten hedge]

Like bro gtf lol

[outer sky]

Since shadowlands

[sharp sierra]

All 3 of hunters specs are way closer compared to the gap of rogues lmao

[molten hedge]

Yes they are

[sharp sierra]

No denying that

[molten hedge]

For sure

[outer sky]

We used to have 7 second kidney then it was nerfed to max 5s then the CD was nerfed from 20s to 30s

[molten hedge]

I didn’t play back then

I’m sure I’d be jaded if I had

[outer sky]

We lost long blind

[sharp sierra]

I don’t think Hunter needed to lose scatter imo

[molten hedge]

Having scatter was amazing

Peeling rogs with scatter is textbook

[outer sky]

Like they've been hacking away at our CC kit for the last 6 years

[molten hedge]

Now i don’t have to worry about opening with a hunter in stealth. If he stuns me then im on DR tyvm

[sharp sierra]

I’m gonna become the first outlaw streamer

[molten hedge]

Yeah I hear you man

Rip Val

[outer sky]

Idk i think losing scatter is about on the same tier as rogues losing blind>sap

Big but not gamebreaking

Also

Fuck these hunters

Scattering my kill target

On my go

Ive lost so many games to that

[molten hedge]

Yeah it’s not the worst change but it was a good short cd peel

Dude

As a warlock main alter (lol)

And affi enjoyer

I HATED playing with hunters

They’d fucking scatter my haunt soul rot and dots off

Without a thought

[outer sky]

Ive had my smoke bomb scattered so many times

[molten hedge]

“My bad”

I had a boomie clone my smokebomb a few times

Fkn imbecils man

“I didn’t know you were going him”

[outer sky]

Scatter, ice wall, cyclone, and time stop should all just be greyed out in pvp combat until the player reaches 2700xp

[molten hedge]

Yeah time stop can be dangerous. I love it personally

[outer sky]

Its a menace in shuffle

[molten hedge]

Timestopping your healer on a trap feels good. I play uhdk a bit and AMSing traps is my favorite thing

[outer sky]

Hate whisper i got on my evoker

[molten hedge]

And on Hunter to stop that I’d always scatter uhdk to get trap off

Now I can’t do that

Timestop best when they’re in cc so they may not see it but at least they see ur hp isn’t moving so u prayge they don’t trinket

I played mes on my hunter once and the first 2 rounds he AMSd every trap

[outer sky]

Ive seen my healer try and trinket my timestop

[molten hedge]

So I had to start scattering him

He messaged me after saying good job was sick

I actually 4-2d mes on ww yday haha

On beta

[outer sky]

But also, I think id rather have the damage than scatter. Worst thing about surv right now is getting CCd on boomstick

They should add a pvp talent that makes it a defensive like WW Turbo Fists

[molten hedge]

Yeah bro I immediately stop that shit lol

Hits hard asf

Being able to cheap thru FoF is so fun

[outer sky]

Im playing a one bang build where I play badge trinket and dont take the CDR on boomstick and instead take the extra 5% boomstick damage. Then I macrod badge and orc racial to takedown and people just flop

Every minute takedown>boomstick

Just one shotting everyone

[sharp sierra]

They gave Hunter outlaws gimmick with guns and made it 10x better

[outer sky]

Eh it hits harder but in 3s you get CCd on it insta

[gleaming sentinel]

Apparently rogues are 50% tankier and do 50% more dmg since the cheap shot change

[outer sky]

Tying player power to a stoppable channel has always been kinda aids in pvp

[gleaming sentinel]

News to me

[outer sky]

Sounds like a ret paladin take

[potent pivot]

i need the drugs that guy was doing

whoever said that

[hollow yoke]

whats a good addon

to track stuns on enemies

[potent pivot]

you mean DRs or just the debuffs

gladius or sarena shows DRs, plates/bigdebuffs show the debuffs

[gleaming sentinel]

This guy is an r1 fuckin tank player

[dark moon]

thats a nice try, but delulu

[molten hedge]

Surv sub stonks up 😉

I feel like thug was only rly good last ssn bc mm was crazy. It doesn’t seem like the best comp ive rarely played it

Ig if u have a priest fearing every trap it’s o good

[muted abyss]

Every class having healing, utility, stuns, movement etc is what makes retail kinda meh for me

[agile kite]

Does anyone have a good sub build currently for blitz

[outer sky]

Same one as in the pins

[agile kite]

Oh based ty

[grim sequoia]

6-0 my first SP game, i think i found my first main for midnight

and i dont entirely know what im doing, just press buttons when they flash

[grim sequoia]

i got trained the next game and went 0-6

the duality of SP

[outer sky]

Try warlock. Ive seen locks sit in the middle of the map with 2 melee whaling on them and not take any meaningful damage. And if by some miracle it looks like you might die, you can port, gate twice, and healthstone for half your hp

@grim sequoia is that your dog in your profile picture?

[molten hedge]

Lock is so fun it’s been my main caster since TWW s2

Unfortunately I love affliction and it hasn’t been too good in a while

[outer sky]

Demo on beta is disgusting

Problem with affi is all its damage is dispellable

[molten hedge]

Is it? I’ve played it on prepatch and it’s rlly good I’m almost 2500

And never played it

So that’s saying something

You do have to cast quite a bit still but the kits insane

I will say it doesn’t FEEL great to play lol

Like destro is way funner to play bc bolt and soulfire rip

[outer sky]

Locks got away with literal murder following CC pruning

[molten hedge]

They did

It’s disgusting

[spring bough]

It better get a nice nerf tuning before season gets underway 😂

[molten hedge]

It’s a caster with an MS and insane kit with more instants than it’s had in awhile. Damage would have to be really bad for it to not get played in shuffle or with splay

[subtle warren]

Ya lock is so crazy

I feel like every game that I’ve gotten completely dumpstered on has been lock

Splay gonna be nutty

[molten hedge]

We’re a bit biased

Bc as rogs lock feels horrible

Since they can press in a stun and completely line and we don’t have mobility to get to them if they don’t peak outside of sprint

[outer sky]

But they also like to play with rogues so we benefit when theyre busted too

[molten hedge]

Oh for sure. Like mage is the ultimate best and worst class to be good for us bc we’re horrible into them but great with them. Feels bad knowing I’ll never stun a mage with current blink stun how it is

I watched Ven waste 1-2 kidneys a game into mage yday on assa

Rarely even looked at the healer

And he still 4-2d or 5-1d so he thinks assa is broken

[outer sky]

I dont even want to queue shuffle as assa right now. I left off at 2.9-3k cr so i'd just 0-6

[spring bough]

Only a few days left till we 90 anyways lol

[grim sequoia]

yes he's my white shiba, mochi

[grim sequoia]

i've been doing really good with demo lock, its damage seems weird in pre patch rn

[outer sky]

This is my dumb hound dog. My daughter was watching Lady and the Tramp and this dog thinks the dog on screen is real and gets extremely upset that he cant find her

@grim sequoia

Still smarter than most ret mains though

[final pewter]

• garrote silence from stealth. am I correct in saying that night elf is a must for assa? do you guys use the meld often to get those garrote bonuses?

[outer sky]

Depends on how literally you mean "a must". But not playing nelf as assa nerfs you a lot more than the other 2 specs. But if you're playing assa right now you're already nerfed so w/e

[spring bough]

The last rogue spec bound by meld 😭

[outer sky]

basically

[spring bough]

Imagine needing a racial in 2026 for an even playing field 🪦

[final pewter]

it really does feel like the spec is made around a night elf racial lol...I am just starting as a rogue after a long break from the game and it got me curious when reading the abilities and remembering about the racial

[potent pivot]

Bleeds don’t do as much damage anymore and the silence is ST only now, etc

You can play whatever race you want now tbh

[final pewter]

oh whats the main source of damage now?

[potent pivot]

It’s more spread out

Envenom, melee damage, poisons/bleeds

[stoic spruce]

You're more spread out

[spring bough]

[molten hedge]

Mechagnome rog inc

[final pewter]

do you mean that before midnight, all garrotes in subterfuge were silencing?

[molten hedge]

silence was aoe before now its ST so u have more control over silence DRs @final pewter

[final pewter]

ohh okay thank you

[molten hedge]

guys is silence still DRing with roots and disarm

or did they fix that? i totally forgot that existed

[potent pivot]

I just don’t think nelf is anywhere near as strong anymore

Full DR on 2 casts, you only get one extra set of silences per game, and you’re forced to play subterfuge which you don’t NEED anymore either

[final pewter]

i checked drustvar ladder and assassination rogues are night elves up until like 2500 rating 😄 but I am guessing drustvar ladder is before the changes?

[potent pivot]

Bruh

The expansion hasn’t even launched yet

[final pewter]

yup my point was that it had to be crazy good before

[potent pivot]

Oh, yea for sure

Because you could use IC from meld and aoe bleed damage was your main source of damage

Triple DR, aoe silence, etc

Now that IC is gone it really isn’t anywhere near as mandatory as it was

[spring bough]

GG to those days. Hello midnight in four

[final pewter]

IC?

[potent pivot]

Indiscriminate Carnage

[final pewter]

ohh okay

[outer sky]

i just did a couple shuffles with an outlaw rogue and my god did that look awful

[spring bough]

[gleaming sentinel]

we are built diff

(incorrectly)

[exotic dove]

While I like to hear this I also don't want to give blizzard anymore money so my Main Rogue is staying nelf he got a cool mog anyway so its good

[spring bough]

I’m gonna be hitting people w some warglaives this season

[potent pivot]

Same I’d just level a new rogue if I’m gonna play a different one

[spring bough]

What race for rogue you doing this season

[ocean thunder]

Unofrtunately the garrote damage is mediocre at best even with the increased damage, on midnight.
So mainly the silence is the deal.

[potent pivot]

Likely orc or something

[hybrid sapphire]

what should one be doing as assa to make the most out of the kingsbane scaling

[potent pivot]

Envenom buff upkeep

And melee the target

[hybrid sapphire]

is it worth it to spam 1pt envs

[potent pivot]

No

[ocean thunder]

Darn it kinda sucks to have both alliance / horde, since you can't synergise with professions

Let alone the fact that I am used to playing on my nelf for some seasons now

[potent pivot]

wdym

[outer sky]

He smoke bombed me and bursted me with killing spree and my health moved maybe like 15% during the entire kidney>bomb. Like at that point take another pvp talent. Bomb is just a waste of a slot if thats all you can do with it every 3m

Feint talent, disarm, and id say turn the tables but tbh 10% more damage wouldn't really be noticeable so maybe Drink Up or something idk

[severe helm]

Disarm is sometimes useless though

Bombs for your teammate not you lol

[outer sky]

I mean i guess it has some defensive value

[severe helm]

I meant offensively

[outer sky]

You can use it defensively

Ive done it before

[strange trellis]

Its an extremely versatile talent

[severe helm]

Yeah I just mean bomb is good

[outer sky]

Idk about "good" it may be the least bad option for outlaw if you dont need disarm maybe

[severe helm]

Good is relative

Outlaws pvp talents fucking suck ass

[outer sky]

All rogue pvp talents are kind of ass

[severe helm]

Yeah they've been consistently removing the good ones haha

[outer sky]

Removing or nerfing

Duel

Hemo

Enduring brawler

We're honestly lucky we still have smoke bomb

[vocal surge]

Same until teammates start to walk out of it

[spring bough]

If they ever take smoke bomb what is rogue even at that point 😭

[outer sky]

Ive seen the disc priest on my team in shuffle dome MY bomb. Like, even when the other team doesn't have a rogue. You know that guy has seen some shit when hes that impulsive about scripting dome when he sees bomb LOL

[vocal surge]

Lol

Dude

Ive had so many teammates disengage out of my smoke bomb

While the lock is mid cast on that game ending Chaos Bolt

And die

[outer sky]

I dont really get it. Like, the base UI turns the smoke red when its the enemy rogue's bomb

Like how do you even get them confused

Grey smoke=good
Red smoke=bad

[vocal surge]

Imo, I dont think the color coding is obvious enough

[outer sky]

Its pretty obvious

[vocal surge]

For us, yes

[outer sky]

Like enemy smoke is very clearly red

[vocal surge]

But when there's spell effects

[hybrid sapphire]

red should be redder lol

[vocal surge]

That red smoke bomb still looks gray

[stoic spruce]

Enemy smoke is red?

[vocal surge]

Yea

[stoic spruce]

Since when??

[vocal surge]

Forever

Lol

[stoic spruce]

.>

You're lying

[vocal surge]

Its grey to yourself and allies

Red tinted when enemy

[vocal surge]

Come to retail, I'll show ya

[outer sky]

You've got to be trolling

[vocal surge]

I wouldn't blame him

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it needs to be completely red. I can't believe I never noticed

[vocal surge]

Lol

[outer sky]

It IS completely red!!!

[stoic spruce]

Too busy trying to not die

Ain't no way

[outer sky]

You know enemy RoPs are red too right?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I know that

[outer sky]

Its just as obvious

[stoic spruce]

I need to see this

[outer sky]

I think you guys are trying to have fun with me

And its working

[stoic spruce]

Ive only seen grey

[hybrid sapphire]

its red but its rly not red enough. i have to look for an extra beat which is a beat too many

[stoic spruce]

I'd argue whitish grey

[outer sky]

When i first started doing pvp and I got bombed i thought it was a completely different ability because it looked so different and I died in it with trinket

[spring bough]

Run to the red run out of the white. There helped u

[stoic spruce]

That doesnt help when I can't see red

[vocal surge]

Where you at popo?

[spring bough]

Even enemy spirit link has a red ring now

[stoic spruce]

There's gotta be a setting or something because I feel fooled rn

[stoic spruce]

Work

[vocal surge]

F

[stoic spruce]

Ironically not working

Fr

[outer sky]

Here ill do it and you can take a screenshot

[spring bough]

Bro spends more time on discord at work then work

[hybrid sapphire]

thats how u stick it to the man

[outer sky]

@vocal surge logging in

[vocal surge]

We gotta show em

lol

[outer sky]

Im like 99% sure hes fucking with us

[stoic spruce]

I'm not

[vocal surge]

He's not lol

[outer sky]

Inv me Verm

[stoic spruce]

You know it B)

[vocal surge]

2 smoke bombs

The gray one is mines

the red one is Zicore's

[outer sky]

If thats not "red enough" then you're color blind

[stoic spruce]

Why did yall overlap?

[hybrid sapphire]

yall r trying to desmonstrate the color diff and you put them on TOP of each other 😭 plsss

[spring bough]

See u can see the diff

[outer sky]

Fine we'll do it again

[vocal surge]

[stoic spruce]

Yayy

I may have noticed it but it should be more red

[outer sky]

Were gunna take 2 pics

[outer sky]

It 100000% doesnt need to be "more red"

[stoic spruce]

Okay so here's the thing

[spring bough]

Red

[stoic spruce]

When there's a million things going on, I never notice it's red as I'm too busy trying to not die

[hybrid sapphire]

that red is dark af lol

[vocal surge]

My UI is dying after turning off the UI to take them screenshots lol

[stoic spruce]

It looks more grey than red tbh

[spring bough]

Oh first it was same color now it’s too much screeen clutter

But we have 0 addons now so u can see

[stoic spruce]

Needs to be more red though

[outer sky]

It really doesnt

[hybrid sapphire]

these ppl have superhuman vision

explains why im not glad yet tbh

[stoic spruce]

I mean

Idk

Only time I've noticed is when they're side by side

[outer sky]

But thats not typical

They're very obviously different

[stoic spruce]

I mean side by side rn via screenshots

When I'm on my dk it never looked red to me. Yet I avoid it because obv dk doesn't have smoke bomb so I know to leave

[outer sky]

They dont need to be side by side. Theyre 2 different colors

[stoic spruce]

You're super observant, you want a reward?

[gilded gulch]

How often are you seeing 2 bombs dropped at the same time

[stoic spruce]

.

[outer sky]

Theres no reason to be salty

[stoic spruce]

Ironic coming from someone who says it shouldn't be clearer when multiple people have stated it's either harder to see or didn't notice

[outer sky]

Yeah and im still not convinced im not being memed

[hybrid sapphire]

me rn

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce def cannot read this LMFAO

[stoic spruce]

I can, I'm not colorblind lol

[hybrid sapphire]

8% of males are red-green colorblind lol i was diagnosed as one when i was super young idk if thats still true

[spring bough]

[stoic spruce]

The color of the smoke bomb isn't something I'm paying attention to when I see a smokebomb

[gilded gulch]

I know a dh that is

which is v funny

Like full on colorblind for everything

[hybrid sapphire]

the big priest shield is impossible to tell for me lol

i have to look really fucking hard to see the red

[gilded gulch]

at least its not earthen wall totem

where people with normal vision walk out of

[spring bough]

Let’s be real that’s the hardest thing to see lmao

[gilded gulch]

Won't stop rshams from yelling your head off

from walking out of it

[spring bough]

It needs a giant red ring

[outer sky]

This rsham i play with made this macro that fills his entire earthen wall totem's radius with ping icons so its literally impossible not to see where to stand

[stoic spruce]

So true

[spring bough]

Genius

[spring bough]

Wym u wouldn’t even be able to see it

[stoic spruce]

Untrue

I seen everything else

[outer sky]

Did you know enemy priest dome is also red?

[stoic spruce]

Redish gold right?

[outer sky]

Yep!

[stoic spruce]

I've only seen it that color since my priest stopped playing

[outer sky]

To me thats the one that needs to be more obvious. Like I can see it but I still find myself double checking my buffs to make sure its not my priests

They need to give AMZ this color coding treatment now that every other lobby has 2 DKs in it

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/what-the-hell-are-you-talking-about-tim-robinson

I've never seen red smoke before, this is mandala effect bullshit

[proven field]

I refuse to accept this is real - I have never seen red smoke before how dare you

[dark moon]

Some mandala effect, hahahaha

[proven field]

(Mandela, auto-correct making me just really like indian patterns)

[stoic spruce]

I wonder if its only applicable when there's 2 rogues

[outer sky]

no, i was bombed on my hunter tonight by a rogue who was the only one in the lobby and it was still very obviously red

[severe helm]

its new p sure

[outer sky]

its not new at all

[severe helm]

definitely

[outer sky]

they added it in 2011

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_4.1.0

Being oblivious for 15 years is funny but probably not in the way you think it is

[stoic spruce]

Now 4 people

[severe helm]

must be my UI

this enemy smoke bomb is not red

[outer sky]

looks red to me. Maybe try a map that isnt also reddish

[severe helm]

maybe my graphics settings make it not work

[stoic spruce]

That's what I'm thinking as well

I have a specific set of settings I like so that's probably what is it

[severe helm]

same

theyre pretty low

cuz otherwise some specs blow mys creen up

and I cant fucking see shit

[stoic spruce]

Real

[stoic spruce]

How do I know this isn't fake hm?

[outer sky]

I mean you dont even know your colors so I guess you don't

[stoic spruce]

Not seeing colors does NOT equal not knowing colors lol

[outer sky]

but jokes aside, if it was a setting I'd suspect the setting to affect all of those mentioned abilities. So if you see red rops and red domes its probably not your settings

[severe helm]

I dont see red domes

[outer sky]

Popo does

[severe helm]

I can tell ring of frost though

[sharp sierra]

....are you colorblind?

[severe helm]

so I think it is a settings thing

[sharp sierra]

thats red as fuck

[severe helm]

lol I am not

[stoic spruce]

I see purple tbh

I hate that bg

[severe helm]

I think you might be using the term "af" incorrectly

[outer sky]

I actually think that may be what's going on here. Either that or some people need to go back to kindergarten and learn their colors

[sharp sierra]

i think its rage baiting

or using monitors from 1995

[outer sky]

could be that too

[severe helm]

it might have the vaguest tint of red but if this is blizzards method of visual clarity then they need to seek help

[sharp sierra]

that i agree with

but thats clearly red

[severe helm]

"red af"

fucking nonsense

[outer sky]

"slight red tint"

bro its red smoke

[severe helm]

so that would be a different image

I can tell in yours

my settings do not give me that level of red

for whatever rearson

[sharp sierra]

looks red to me

[stoic spruce]

Mine don't either

[severe helm]

might need to go back to kindergarten

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats purple

[outer sky]

ah yes where they taught you theres only 1 shade of red

[severe helm]

yeah if anything its like a light magenta

[outer sky]

ok this has to be rage baiting

[severe helm]

its not very clear is what it is

[sharp sierra]

😭

[severe helm]

they need to do better

[outer sky]

it aint greyish/white smoke

[severe helm]

yall have such low bars for blizzard

have some self respect

expect more

[outer sky]

i'd rather them fix the DCing while jumping bug than make smoke bomb even redder for the colorblind

[severe helm]

when did that start lol

[outer sky]

prepatch

[sharp sierra]

3000 years ago

was promised

[outer sky]

if you get CCd while jumping youll DC

almost every time

[stoic spruce]

You know those smoke bombs you buy at firework stands around the holidays? It should be like that. Rather than grey with a little red

[outer sky]

its not "grey with a little red" its just red

[severe helm]

its definitely not just red

[outer sky]

it aint grey

[severe helm]

its barely not grey

[outer sky]

this looks "barely not grey" to you?

[sharp sierra]

i think its just the purple ground throwing him off

[severe helm]

you keep linking the wrong image

weird

[outer sky]

this is an enemy smoke bomb

[severe helm]

good thing the grounds never purple in this game

[outer sky]

ok yea this is rage baiting

1000000%

[sharp sierra]

WHAT

[outer sky]

Imagine one of these guys driving

when they dont know what red is

"that barely not grey light"

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[severe helm]

be a shame if the game had visual clarity

[stoic spruce]

I HATE visual clarity

I want EVERYTHING to clash

And if nobody can see it it's a SKILL ISSUE

[outer sky]

then Patch 4.1.0 ruined this for you

[sharp sierra]

Color tv ruined it for him

[severe helm]

youc ant even tell where one ends and one starts

imagine defending this "clarity"

hahahahaha

[outer sky]

theyre on top of each other

ofc theyll overlap

[severe helm]

actually they are staggered

you cant tell

cuz the visual clarity is bad

womp womp

[outer sky]

you see red and grey in that image right?

the red one is the enemy one

you had 15 years to figure this out

[severe helm]

they dont even have a defined border

[sharp sierra]

thankfully my eyes work

[outer sky]

I'm starting to see why they had to nuke addons to make everyone oblivious

basic sensory information really was an "unfair advantage"

[severe helm]

thats not even from my screenshot rofl

[outer sky]

who'd of thought

[severe helm]

nice try though

[sharp sierra]

yeah no man i see it

[severe helm]

which one is it

[sharp sierra]

yours lmao

[outer sky]

looks defined to me

[severe helm]

LOL wrong

the enemy one is further

GGs

point proven

exactly my fucking point

[sharp sierra]

what

[outer sky]

even if you were right about this weird image that wouldnt mean you couldnt tell the friendly one from the enemy one when they happen independantly of each other

or it shouldnt mean that

maybe it does to you

idk

but thats weird

[severe helm]

I mean yeah I know when I press smoke bomb

thats not fucking hard

[sharp sierra]

i thought he was aking if the ss was his

[severe helm]

I would like some visual clarity of where the god damn edge is when they overlap

idc about knowing when theres only one

I want to know when theres two

where one starts and one ends

thats the problem

[outer sky]

thats got nothing to do with the color

[sharp sierra]

i mean you can clearly see the red one is further by 2 pixels

Which would hardly matter in any context

[severe helm]

YEAH IT NEEDS A BORDER

its not a visually clear ability

[outer sky]

ok great write to blizzard

[severe helm]

they do not well define them at all

so when two overlap

its just garbage

[outer sky]

"we already made the damn thing red for ya what else do you need?"

[sharp sierra]

turn off AA or something idk

[severe helm]

would be a shame if they did their jobs

[sharp sierra]

i mean to be fair its smoke

but i get your point

just dont personally think its an issue

[outer sky]

i mean you gotta remember he doesnt know what "red" is

[sharp sierra]

does priest dome have a border?

[severe helm]

Yeah I mean its small potatoes

[severe helm]

yeah domes pretty harsh on its edge

its not that bad

smoke bomb is second worst

the WORST spell

of all time

visually

10000%

is earthen wall

[stoic spruce]

For sure

No contest

[severe helm]

I mean its like theyre playing a prank on shamans

blizzard just cant code "smoke" well

[outer sky]

maybe but they can color it just fine

[sharp sierra]

the totem?

[severe helm]

ye

[sharp sierra]

trying to find a ss

[strange trellis]

eh I wouldnt be bothered if enemy smoke was colored a bit more vibrantly or something. Might be easier to tell in small scale combat like arenas but battlegrounds with multiple rogues and sfx everywhere I can see it being a visual pain point

[severe helm]

granted this is a shitty youtube video but

[severe helm]

yeah its fine in a duel in a capital city whjen no ones around

but when theres an actual team fight

its pretty unclear

[sharp sierra]

is it a circle aura im looking for?

[severe helm]

lol exactly

[sharp sierra]

LOL

[severe helm]

its a faint ring of smoke

[sharp sierra]

ight yeah thats bad

[severe helm]

most shamans have a macro that places a bunch of raid markers down

when they earthen

so people know its there

[outer sky]

Its not unclear at all

[severe helm]

yeah its pretty bad

[outer sky]

If by "it" you mean your eyesight then apparently so

[severe helm]

unfortunately

I dont think theyll ever improve it either haha same with earthen wall

just going to stay bad forever

its only really an issue in specific instances

[outer sky]

And for specific people*

[severe helm]

just not well designed but oh well

[outer sky]

Yeah oh well lol

[severe helm]

dont see people complain about seeing ring lol

efflo is another one thats bad

thats mostly an issue in raid

but there were some seasons where druid played efflo

and had to put markers down

I think the art team just prioritizes getting to see the other flashy spells over the important ones a little heavily

the newer spells are a lot better designed than bomb though

like the evoker dragon breath wall thing

[outer sky]

Thats what you think do ya

[severe helm]

that ones very obvious

[stoic spruce]

I bet they could do a good job with smoke these days

Assuming they actually get to it

[severe helm]

yeah if they redesigned it theyd probably make it better

its just so old

and tbh back then spells were just less flashy in general

so it didnt get covered up as much

[stoic spruce]

Smoke bomb was probably the coolest ability back then lol

[severe helm]

rogue had it in pve for a while too

maybe not a while but I know they had it at some point haha

would be a fun mechanic

[stoic spruce]

Yeah, was busted. Same as DK and Dark Sim

Dark Sim was actually OP

Idk if you played back then

[severe helm]

I played from BC->S1 Cata then quit until SL

[stoic spruce]

A lot would consider that the Golden era anyway

I got a buddy who kicks himself still for not getting into it before

[severe helm]

I was pretty young back then so it was hard to appreciate

but there was a much more active community and world for sure

[stoic spruce]

Yeah same. All I did were dungeons and get carried in raid by my dad's guild

So obv I had fun

[severe helm]

yeah I was def enjoying RBGs back then

when I got back to SL and was getting into pvp I didnt even know that I had grand marshal somehow from back then

so I got into an rbg guild for free hahaha

[strange trellis]

Ey thats the same era Im from lol

[stoic spruce]

I did do arenas in wrath actually as DK.

[severe helm]

was a fun time haha

[stoic spruce]

I didn't get into actual pvp until WoD though

[strange trellis]

As fun as those times were I understand the need for the game to evolve and the old ways isnt for me anymore

[stoic spruce]

It's really not. I still can't believe I liked old CP.

[severe helm]

yeah the old version of the game definitely worked better for that time of gaming

I mean people still played classic cata/mop etc

but its not the same quality haha

[outer sky]

The old versions of the game were great for their time but it was probably necessary that it evolved closer to what it is today, for all its faults. Theres probably nothing blizzard could have done to have maintained the popularity the game had during wrath and cata.

[stoic spruce]

It's peak lasted longer than some games survive let's be honest

[outer sky]

It did and even with all the talk of the game "being dead" its still way more played than any other game of its genre. MAYBE osrs comes close shortly after a major content update but generally its playerbase numbers are uncontested

But the game also seems more dead than it really is because at any given time theres like 6-8 versions of the game active so the player base gets split several ways before anyone even logs in

[stoic spruce]

Is there still a regular classic era server?

[outer sky]

Yes

[stoic spruce]

Or did they close that

Wow

So that's 5 different WoWs

[outer sky]

I think its 6 right now

Was 7 with remix

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah hardcore

I didn't count that

[outer sky]

Thats a version

Idk how blizzard thinks this is a good idea

Thats what they actually need to focus on before they try and redesign smoke bomb for the colorblind. How to consolidate the playerbase so theres the most amount of people playing a single version of the game

6 versions of the game at one time just isnt workable

[severe helm]

I dont think they want this though

since the majority of those versions are just reselling already made content lol

and I think theyve kinda come to accept that the wow playerbase does not all want the same thing

even within retail theres multiple different versions that people play that barely even overlap nowadays

[outer sky]

Right, the game gets split at endgame even within the same version. Im not saying do away with everything but retail. But 6+ versions of the game at once seems excessive. They could have 2 or 3 and it would probably be fine

[severe helm]

6 is wild yeah

but they started with 2 or 3

[outer sky]

Like do we REALLY need Classic and Classic Hardcore??

[severe helm]

and I think it must have just been really easy to add the others

whatever boosts sub numbers

thats what the board wants lol

[stoic spruce]

SoD and classic could go

Maybe not hard-core since it's pretty unique

[severe helm]

people seem to really love vanilla

the one thats weird to me is re-releasing bc again

[outer sky]

Isnt the whole idea behind this whole addon prune to "make the game more accessible" and "bring in new players"? I havent seen any numbers on it, though I haven't looked. But I assumed thats code for "the game isnt growing and the shareholders are pissed so we're overhauling things"

[stoic spruce]

Just accessible

[severe helm]

I think its more just further evidence that they want to keep growing

retail as an isolated unit is def not growing I dont think

but the classic shit for sure boosted sub numbers

they wouldnt be 6 parallel versions in if it didnt

I think blizz is coming to realize that the players who play the most are the least valuable haha

its like the gym membership model

like you dont want someone who plays 6 hours a day and buys their sub with gold

[outer sky]

Idk i kinda feel like that boosts sub numbers in the short term then people try the "new" version for a while get their kick out of it and unsub. That was my theory behind having this many versions of the game. Basically they cant keep people subbed to any one version of it so they just keep releasing new version to keep getting that initial sub boost from it

Then that dies down so they release another version

At some point it would be better to just make a game people want to STAY subbed to

[outer sky]

I also think they know that those people are never going to unsub anyway so why bother catering to them

[severe helm]

I dont think this exists though

I do think that the game that is classic wow and the game that is retail wow are for entirely different players