pvp

[proven field]

jesus christ jsut look at it holistically.. every new spec and class... put them into a bucket... on average, were they OP the first season they launched or not

[grave basin]

devoker no

monk no

aug yes

devourer not mostlike no

ret when it was reworked yes

so ... coin flip?

[wise sequoia]

Its not really a coin flip though ... in the past 12 seasons how many have:

• hunter been OP? half? more?
• pala been OP? half? more?
• enhance been OP? none
• frost DK been OP? none

[grave basin]

pala before rework in 10.0.7 was OP ?

maybe a few times during shadowlands for their divine toll 1 taps

or being the freedom bitch for the war in ret war fw

wanna look at how long ret was a dogshit spec piloted by vangaurds and other tryhards?

since classic till 12.0

Hunter ill give it to you, they always have one good spec

But thats just being a pure dps spec

Same with mage and rogue

[wise sequoia]

My bad - I meant 3 expansions back, or 9 seasons 😛

Ever since the rework ret has been S most seasons and A the rest.

Its extreemly rare that enhance, frost dk, outlaw, aug, demo warlock ect. are A tier

[grave basin]

A tier in what

3s or shuff

[wise sequoia]

And maybe thats just a matter of time. Maybe pala will suck for the next 3 exopansions. still a better run than most specs

[grave basin]

Xeek himself said frost was a good spec last season

Its more of why play frost when unholy exists

Youd also have to practice it way more to get the same output

[wise sequoia]

Heres the melee MMR for end of last season:

Frost at an average of 1750

[grave basin]

Yea no one plays it

Good players dont play it and thats shuffle

Xeek was talking about 3s

Where you can play frost dk mm

[wise sequoia]

Yes, even bad DPS specs are good in the hands of people like Xeek.

Noone but dedicated people play it ... and those dedicated people cant get better than 1750 average rating.

Meanwhile every washed boomer in existence rerolled to pala/hunter - and managed to get elite.

They are clearly not the same powerlevel. And thats how it usually is.

[grave basin]

So youre impliying blizzard intentionally keeps those specs OP because they have a monetary incentive?

And not because hunter is a 3x dps class where one is bound to be good?

Assa was OP last season yet barely anyone plays rogue though

So whats the logic there

[spring bough]

8 more days and we leveling

[wise sequoia]

No clue why.

Maybe the couple PvP developer play the specs. Maybe the popular specs are good because they are popular and lots of people whine when they are not. Maybe they only balance for PvE and hunter/ret have poor kits for PvE and OP for PvP.

Either way this is an undeniable trend. Even if I don't have an explananation for why it happnes.

[grave basin]

I got my monster energy ready

[spring bough]

80-90 gonna be what 6 hours or less 😂

[grave basin]

So what youre saying is

[outer sky]

This cant be right. It says its melee MMR but its showing ret paladin here

[spring bough]

I nominate you as the new PvP dev

[grave basin]

Pure dps specs with 3 specs to choose from

Usually has one that does well

Destro was also OP last season

So was fire mage

So was assa

All pure dps specs

[tawdry crag]

destro had like one person getting r1 in 3s so not really op

[wise sequoia]

I would charge for 40hrs per week, but just nerf/buff specs based of nothing but last weeks win/lose ratios ...

After 5 hours I would take a 6 day weekend!

[grave basin]

I thought we were talking average mmr

Not r1 playable

[proven field]

it's naive to think that PVP balancing isn't financially motivated

[grave basin]

Ok so lets say it is

What do i do with this info

[wise sequoia]

Also if I was the PvP dev rdruid would always be S tier.

Gimme those sweet tears! sluuurrp

[outer sky]

You mean its not just a random coincidence that the most played specs are never trash tier?

[proven field]

see zicore gets it, dude jumps in for 3 seconds, already there

[grave basin]

Because youre all over the plafe

First you said unranked and ebg and 1400 and under

[spring bough]

Just a coincidence 🤷‍♂️

[wise sequoia]

I'm not convinced in very monetarily motivated ...

More like monetarily deprioritized.

[vocal surge]

I got

[grave basin]

Then you moved the goalpost to new specs

[vocal surge]

The Shadowflame Sword

[grave basin]

Then when that didnt work you moved to most played specs

I mean pick a lane

[spring bough]

I heard Devourer can’t be anything less than S tier for all of midnight 🔥

[proven field]

that's not moving goalposts lol, that's providing an example of the same thing

[grave basin]

No its not at all

[vocal surge]

And I am about to start dealing True Damage to whoever it may concern xD

[grave basin]

Show me where 1400 and under bracket is dominated by mm

[spring bough]

You and the 100 other people on SOD 😭

[grave basin]

Ill wait

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Im about to sweet talk Baroness in KC to mind control me

So I can pop Blade Flurry + that sword

[outer sky]

There's unquestionably some specs that blizzard feels "more comfortable" with being very good. Like anyone who thinks theyre actively trying to make resto shaman as viable as disc priest every season but literally NEVER manage to even get close I think is completely insane

[vocal surge]

And deal 100% physical (unmitigated) damage to leather, cloth, and maybe mail

Ive already 1 shotted a fully decked out mage lol

[proven field]

it is not my obligation to pull you along homie, it's yours to understand or disprove

[vocal surge]

1 swing for +6.5k damage

Without that sword

And cleaved the whole group for +70% of their hp

[proven field]

my original point was, that comfort is certainly tied to financial incentive... specs people like and play and keep people subbed will always get better treatment than specs no one plays, or ones that disrupt the masses

[outer sky]

Yes I think thats true and fairly obvious

[vocal surge]

Paladins DF S1

[grave basin]

Makes positive claim, refuses to bring evidence

Youre delusional

Feral was broken as fuck in s2

[proven field]

thank you

[grave basin]

Like 10 people playing it in NA

[outer sky]

Do you not think blizzard actively tries to ensure the specs people like to play the most are always at least A tier?

[grave basin]

Like disc?

[outer sky]

Disc

[grave basin]

Cause loads of rogues like sub as the """"" pvp spec """"" yet blizzard had no qualms nerfing it

[outer sky]

Ret

[wise sequoia]

Yes bad specs are sometimes strong. But rarely.
Some speces are sometimes only A tier. But usually S.

[outer sky]

Hunter

[grave basin]

Hunter is a class

Mage is a class

Fire is a spec

Frost was historically the most well loved pvp spec

Nerfed

Same for sub

Same for arms

????

Unless youre telling me blizzard didnt know people loved these historic pvp specs

Since vanilla

[jolly sierra]

SS god ret paladin

ahhh i miss it, funniest ret incarnation ever

[sharp sierra]

Coin damage nerfed in 3 days but ret stayed broken for 2 months

[vocal surge]

Tails Coin dmg?

[sharp sierra]

Don’t know why it autocorrected

The yet/ret part

[vocal surge]

Ah

[subtle warren]

This is a good point but I feel like is aligned with what I was saying. It’s all about money

It is wild that some classes get giga nerf if they’re op for a week and some get a whole expac

I’m not even arguing that the most popular specs should always be good, but how hard is it to bump the others up a bit

Again, single digit tuning weekly and 80% of complaints go away

[wise sequoia]

To be clear, I'm not saying the ret pala has always been good ... just the there clearly are trends that last several expansions. If a spec has been good for the majority of 2 previous expansions its VERY likely to good next season. Mostly weak for previous 2 expansions: VERY likely to be weak next season.

This prediction method works 80% of the time ... but occasionally even "bad specs" have a moment in the spotlight.

[subtle warren]

I’ve been trying to find some mutual software connections with a Blizz dev

I have questions 😂

[wise sequoia]

Notably this method would predict sub being weak next season ...
But specs being reworked does introduce chaos into the model. And almost every spec got a decent rework for midnight ... so who knows.
It seems kinda crazy that Sub has the best rogue kit by a decent margin. Demo for warlock. Those specs will be hard/impossible to balance for PvP.

[outer sky]

20 second shadow dance CD and the only rogue spec that can multi stun still lol

Theres no way to balance that

[wise sequoia]

Also feint on demand and double vanish is a really good defensive kit.

It really feels like a brawler who can stay in and push big damage every 20s ... but then also has the control to run away and do setups.

With the same spec!

[grave basin]

Idk feels like you can just shift the "muh casual player loves X spec" depending on spec

[outer sky]

Yeah and the shorter step CD and extended range too

[grave basin]

Remember dh in df s1

You could say blizzard kept them op cause theyre easy

Then when they arent OP, casuals love mm cause its easy

Just keep playing casual roulette with specs

Blizzard keeps bm op in tww s2 cause its an easy spec

100 fenryr nerfs later and you conviniently forget bm exists

Then its muh casuals love mm

[outer sky]

I actually think the gap in CC between the rogue specs is something blizzard will be forced to confront at some point soon. Because they dont want 1 single spec of a pure dps class to be the only one EVER viable but the way its designed right now they'd have to give assa or outlaw completely broken damage to even make anyone look at either of them over sub. Im talking reliable 100-0s in a single cheap shot levels of broken. And they're certainly not going to do that so they've gotta fix this some other way

[wise sequoia]

Personally I think a better causation would be:

This specs buttons are 30% more effective than bad specs - so every press feels good and people enjoy playing it - so it becomes popular.

I don't think disc priest is actually that easy ... but its BY FAR the most popular healing spec.
Meanwhile rdruid/rshaman/MW has really strong utility and easy instant overtime heals (just stay back and you team is covered). But they don't have any throughput and so they aren't popular ... until they get buffed and then everyone plays them.

[grave basin]

What makes you think blizzard cares if a spec has like 0.1% playrate in shuff though

Outlaw s2 was what

[wise sequoia]

If enhance shaman becomes as oppresive as MM hunter was last season I'm gonna reroll for sure!

[grave basin]

0.1% of the pvp players getting 2400?

Zero shits given

[outer sky]

They will tolerate 1 of the 3 specs being like that but not 2 for very long

[wise sequoia]

And if enchance is OP in season 1 AND season 2 AND season 3 ... then it will become a popular spec.

[grave basin]

Theres just a massive pool of fotmers that reroll to whatever is most overtuned

Then youll point to that spec and retroactively grandfather a theory of why blizzard wants THAT spec to be op

Ignoring all the other non OP casual specs ofc

[dark moon]

that was a fast ban 👌🏻

[knotty oxide]

Where did that mr beast thing went

I wanted some free money

[outer sky]

Mods were on top of that

[knotty oxide]

Gatekeeping the wealth to themselfes

[wise sequoia]

My point is just that the ebb and flow of power is fairly slow. Pala got a rework in 10.0.7 (reworks are usually overpowered) and has been strong ever since. Likely going to be strong.
Frost DK/enhance shaman has been weak for several expansion. Likely going to be weak.

I'm hopeful that midnight reworks might "shake the bag" and make new specs strong - but some reworks are rather small.

[grave basin]

Pretty sure enhance looks to be even worse

[muted abyss]

man, sub is gonna get nerfed hard if it remains this strong

[grave basin]

[wise sequoia]

And IF a spec continues to be OP for an expansion that spec will become popular, buts thats more of an effect of the slow change of power

[outer sky]

Its not that strong? Like, its good. But its nowhere near being as busted as a lot of the shit weve seen in this game

Its actually worse on beta than pre patch

[muted abyss]

Yeah, I mean it's burst is insane in pre patch, if it's different at midnight end game then that's fine

[grave basin]

Sub alrdy got nerfed twice?

Plz no stun bot

[outer sky]

Its not even that insane on pre patch lol

With every cooldown you can maybe do 65% of someones hp in a stun lock

[muted abyss]

I just got 100-0 in a stunlock with 170 ilevel

assassination feels like you aren't doing any damage lol

[outer sky]

Clip or it didnt happen

[wise sequoia]

Main reason I think sub will excel is:

• Casters are looking VERY good for midnight. Melees will get kited a lot. Rogue is usually a really good partner with casters.
• Sub has a better kit than assa and outlaw.

But in a vacuum I'm not convice sub is that exceptional.

[outer sky]

I have perfect gear and cant get close to that

[muted abyss]

[grave basin]

Was it only the rogue?

[outer sky]

Assa is a dead spec

[outer sky]

Its bullshit

[muted abyss]

that's unfortunate, I only play assassination. I guess after 20 years I'll have to swap to a different class

[grave basin]

Brother the expansion isnt even out yet

[outer sky]

Im considering it myself

[grave basin]

[grave basin]

Ill see you on the sv train

[outer sky]

It doesnt really matter. Like imagine if arcane was the only mage spec that could sheep more than once. How busted would fire and frosts damage need to be to overcome that? So we can kind of just tell by the design how things are going to shape up

[wise sequoia]

Yeaj ... sub and demo will be S tier specs unless they make them hit like wet noodles

[grave basin]

I mean every rsk crit is like 30% of your health

Tuning matters alot

[outer sky]

The gap in CC between sub and the other 2 rogue specs is too big to realistically be overcome with numbers tuning.

[grave basin]

I get what you mean though

[outer sky]

Im an assa rogue lover by the way, I get no joy out of reporting this

But it is what it is

[grave basin]

Atleast you get garrote silence

[outer sky]

Not enough

[grave basin]

What does outlaw do

[outer sky]

Dies

Nerfed grappling hook is so bad too. Like I can order an Uber to take me 40 yards before the hook does

[muted abyss]

I say this every expansion I'm just being dramatic lol

I'll always main assassination pvp

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-family-guy-seth-mac-farlane-stewie-can-not-sleep-gif-6884780519234445417

[muted abyss]

I will say though, opening with full burst on a mistweaver and not seeing his health bar drop below 90% is pretty feels bad lol

[grave basin]

Gonna sleep im starting to look like stewie

[outer sky]

Yeah and its trash on beta too

[proven field]

yeah.. im still exploring as evidenced by my talents and it's pretty fun in BGB, but it basically is stabby outlaw.. I have to do so much endless work just to win something and other specs/classes just... press 2

[outer sky]

It is. But thats a pretty low bar

[wise sequoia]

Yeah ... assa is currently living in subs shadow - but sub is also very good for the meta.
Assa might easily be better than other melees.

[proven field]

here is assa vs... MW... or anyone else really:

https://klipy.com/gifs/thanos-blood-1

[outer sky]

Its simple really.

Casters do damage, but sometimes the target presses a defensive while theyre doing damage. Casters have minimal tools to prevent that. Rogue prevents target from pressing defensive. Therefore, caster wants rogue. Its just now, only one of our specs can do that job. So we play that spec so caster will play with us.

[subtle warren]

Rogue destro about to bussdown

[severe helm]

sub destro*

[sharp sierra]

I don’t think there’s a single class discord with a PvP channel that has more people talking in it than rogues

Yet we are one of the lowest played classes

[outer sky]

We're few in numbers but loyal

I mean what do warriors even have to talk about? How hard to press W?

[sharp sierra]

I want every single person on reddit/blizzard forums that bitches about rogue to have mandatory outlaw session for 1 week in pvp

I salute you outlaw players, but good god

[muted abyss]

Oh god, has outlaw ever really been good for more than 1 season?

[sharp sierra]

Well I mean they won AWC last year

But I mean I don’t think that’s fair to compare it

Despite the cc loss I’m ngl if it just had more damage I’d be playing it non stop. Really just feels like all it’s missing is fun damage. I’m okay doing flat damage, but pressing 300 more buttons for -99999 damage is kinda cringe. Although there’s guys in here that still smoke people so idk I just chalk it up to I’m not good enough at the spec yet

[subtle warren]

Hunter discord is always super active

As a long time Hunter player

Mostly us crying

[proven field]

This is 100% true - it's actually wild how active this channel is

[severe helm]

even when theyre winning AWC theyre not great on ladder lol

[severe helm]

they took out all the tools to smoke people sadly

outlaw is like a tutorial spec now

[grave pier]

wow they removed so many buttons

so what is the rotation now? is there a guide?

[molten hedge]

💀

[outer sky]

Wait is he kidding?

He has to be kidding

[molten hedge]

He’s serious @outer sky

And then he says not everything’s about damage

[outer sky]

Did he hit his head

[molten hedge]

I was dead

[outer sky]

Like

Their health bars arent moving

[molten hedge]

SP fkn cranking

Demo sp about to fuck

[outer sky]

Does he mean it feels good for the other specs?

[proven field]

why am I always in love with bad specs

[molten hedge]

Sp demo/destro with a VW rn would break the game

[outer sky]

Venruki does this a lot. Like hes said WW monk was broken when it was like C tier

[molten hedge]

And DH

[subtle warren]

I queued thug last night with mw and we rolled every team except for a good destro sp

And they smoked us

It was brutal

[outer sky]

Nothing on that team can die

[subtle warren]

Tbf it was that mop map with the upper floor so portal is broken

But still felt like we do no damage

[outer sky]

Mop map with the upper floor

[subtle warren]

Or idk maybe not mop

[outer sky]

Trying to picture it

[subtle warren]

It’s all gold

Staircases on the sides

Jungle theme

[outer sky]

Oh thats not mop thats bfa

[subtle warren]

Ohh

Tru

Any counter for tha?

I guess step up yeah?

[outer sky]

Yeah they cant kill you if you type /afk when the gates open

[subtle warren]

Or save kidney for dc jump 😂

We rode warlock was that the right move?

[outer sky]

Nah

[subtle warren]

Spriest?

It was double priest lock

So the second they got cloak they just 1 shot me

[outer sky]

What youre supposed to do into that, on that map, is go up where the locks port is and hit him. Then when he jumps down you just swap to his teammates. He has to come back up or you guys 3v2. Then when he comes back you just swap back to him. You dont chase him around.

[subtle warren]

We’d swap during defensive obvs but if I’m not on him he was just rinsing me with bolts

So what if his teammates are down?

And he ports up? Follow?

[outer sky]

Same thing just reverse the directions

If theyre down then you can line the lock

If hes up

So you can still create a 3v2

[subtle warren]

Hmm yeah I feel like they kind of stayed in front of him though? Like below him but in Los

They didn’t go to stairs or follow us behind pillar

[outer sky]

You cant really just concede the positioning to them

[subtle warren]

So I kept running up to get him and then he just jumps

[outer sky]

Theyre casters they want distance right so if you push in on them they have to reposition

[subtle warren]

Ya maybe we should’ve pulled back Los? I guess it benefits us if they let combat drop

[outer sky]

I think someone made a forum post about this recently let me find it

[subtle warren]

Ty

[outer sky]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/mugambala-mu/2250302

[keen canopy]

First thought is just go to the otherside of the big wall in the map to los the stairway side and the lock has to move to hit you

And if he doesn't just 3v2

[dark kernel]

Hard skill matchups, warrior gotta use blade storm immunities real well

[grave pier]

Hey guys is there a macro for Night Elf Stealth?

[subtle warren]

Ty

Ya kind of genius

Just stay up lmao

They have to come to you probs, max dampening probaly favors rogue comp cause you kill in opener

Right? Stand-off doesn’t benefit them?

[outer sky]

@proven field are you in Arathi Basin?

[proven field]

oh no

maybe

[outer sky]

I'm the other rogue

lmk how assa feels

[proven field]

oh snap

[grave pier]

guys is there a Macro for Night elf stealth into > rogue Stealth?

[proven field]

come LM then

[outer sky]

#showtooltip shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast [nostealth] shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat] !stealth

spectacular throw

[proven field]

your mage not putting pet on me on farm cost you that

[outer sky]

assa damage feels like trash though

i wasnt scared of you at all

too bad

maybe another 20% buff

[hazy monolith]

was there a patch today?

or hotfix?

[proven field]

I just tried to pre-push defensives hoping to survive your burst

but I had you close a few times from rot, just need to survive the wave

i think i got you once actually

[outer sky]

yeah if bleeds tick on me forever and I dont get healed eventually i'll die

but that doesnt mean the damage is good

at no point were you ever going to kill me before I killed you

kingsbane needs to hit for 40% of someones hp every time

[grave pier]

hey guys, how can I see when I dismantle someone?

[wise sequoia]

Id do:

#showtooltip shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast !stealth
/cast [nostealth,combat] shadowmeld

Mainly so I don’t accidentally use meld outside combat.

[grave pier]

I'm using BetterBlizzFrames etc, but for some reason dismantle doesn't show on the enemy namepalte

it shows when they're kidneyed and for long

[outer sky]

You can't. You ummmm....you wouldn't be trying to gain an unfair advantage, now would you? Because, ya know, the average casual can't see when they dismantle someone. So, now it's fair.

[molten hedge]

We got spoiled last ssn bruv stop with that 😂

Trust me I enjoyed it too

It’s joever tho

[grave pier]

ah

[odd wasp]

What are pvpers using add on wise nowa days ?

[wise sequoia]

Lol

Blizzard has 9 full time housing developers on staff 😝

I can totally see that housing is fun - but it obviously gonna die out when the hype fizzles out a couple months from now.

Noone wants to build empty houses in empty neighborhoods with noone to share their creations with. Do they expect people to invite friends over to click on their interactive chest decor to make it shake?

Its like playing SIMs without any of the content that makes the game fun. No NPCs, neighbours, challenges … just decorating your own empty house, over and over and over again.

NINE full time housing designers!

PvP developers?: zero

Hopefully I’m wrong and someone will be enjoying this feature longer than we enjoyed the undermine driving system. That was actually kinds cool.

But why be in the house? You could be farming mats, upgrading/buying gear, doing world quests, farming old dungeons ect., when you are in queue.

Would you rather /sit in your own empty house for 20 min waiting for queue to pop?

[sharp sierra]

sir im a pvper

i dont need to do any of that

[wise sequoia]

Hit dummies and buy gear and use AH and crafting orders and do world quests fpr bloody tokens

[subtle warren]

Idiots wasting time on your houses

I’m moving in my parents house in stormwind

[wise sequoia]

Will your house ever compete with the Lions pride inn? Or a dueling area outside SW/org or in voidstorm/dornegal?

these places are mostly dead - but if I build my own little private instance in my little private neighborhood instance … then people will come flocking in!

[sharp sierra]

i just crate farms anyways and BT's are in there

[wise sequoia]

I would love for you to be right!

I wish there was an active in game PvP community! But no guild I have ever seen has had more than a handful of active pvp players active at any one time.

Maybe what we needed was a self designed house to bring people together … where WoW has previously failed, Astriums abode will succeed!

I really root for you and will cheer you on and help if you need it. But my optimism is lacking.

I have tried Venrukis guild, skullcapped and a couple others.

Looking for people to q with in /g has had zero success. And Im a healer.

The only guild that I have successfully met people who wanted to pvp with me was a PvE guild, where I got to mentor pve andys.

Ohh … and also a pvp guild in MoP during initial hype.

In other news, I’m looking for an active PvP guild to socialize and meet people to queue and mess around with 🙂

Got tons pf bnet friends. But haven’t found a community yet - besides descord.

Obviously lots of people have tried and failed.

Maybe I can beat the odds. But I don’t really like moderating drama. I would much rather just be a part of the party, than lead it.

But as soon as I hear about the housing centered in game PvP community taking off, I will gladly participate!

[subtle warren]

I think oinks blitz community is pretty good

I’m sure lots of them want to play arena

Dudes a legend just spends all day carrying people for free lmao

Batman

[potent pivot]

There’s a few out there

[sharp sierra]

yo that new animation today lowkey makes me wish theyd do a series it was actually really good

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-and-furious-vin-diesel-paul-walker-rude-never-gif-12399066

[potent pivot]

@outer sky sub enh or ele could be cracked

[spring bough]

How’s enhance looking

[potent pivot]

No idea tbh but skyfury is bigly

Priest for PI also kinda big for sub now

[dark kernel]

You just made my pants move

I forgot about this new interaction

[spring bough]

Is void disc still gonna be a thing

Could be fun dpsing healing lol

[wise sequoia]

Right now both MW and disc seem to be doing a LOT of damage - as in 50-80% of a DPS if they are allowed to just free cast/punch

Maybe Pres can as well ... haven't seen it.

Thats with the changes they just pushed -> might well get some PvP modifiers before launch of season 1. Especially since fistweaving seems overtuned.

[hybrid sapphire]

its kinda silly they dont have DRs on the nameplates lol

like... hello

[stoic spruce]

Hi

[gleaming pawn]

there's like 3 people that play competative pvp at Blizzard, and they sure as fuck don't play Rogue

[hybrid sapphire]

[stoic spruce]

Yes they do, they play sub rmp

You can tell because every change they make to pvp only slightly effects sub rmp at most

[potent pivot]

define competitive cuz i swear its only 1

[gleaming pawn]

[subtle warren]

lmaop wait

so blizz cooldown manager doesnt work in combat?

[outer sky]

It does?

[subtle warren]

mine isnt showing coolodwn timer

until i drop

[outer sky]

Maybe its a setting?

Mine works fine

[outer sky]

Last season I played a really fun session with Biglawnmower. That shit was hilarious

We would literally kill people 100-0 through pain sup

[odd wasp]

you guys using anythuing to track cds in pvp currently ?

[outer sky]

You cant

[odd wasp]

thats what i was wondering

lame

[molten hedge]

Is that the enhance that has like 2k games a ssn and hovers around 2200

[outer sky]

He plays WAY more than 2k games. I saw him with 6k and still some season left. But he usually gets gladiator

[molten hedge]

I remember one time he was playing with a demo and didn’t do shit for like a minute and a half. Then he one shot my boy @stiff cedar

[outer sky]

He has a raid warning macro he spams when hes ready for the 1 shot. Its usually the 2nd stun dr

[molten hedge]

My healer loved his name so much he made a shaman named Tinylawnmowr

[outer sky]

Last season he was named Hugetruck

[molten hedge]

Lmfaoo

I just made a 2nd orc rog named Crankthathog hopefully I don’t get silenced

[outer sky]

I had a tauren named Bullshít for like 3 years before they forced me to name change

[stiff cedar]

yeah I remember that it was on empyrean. I think he got his first pop off and I like melded bear heart 2x frenzy with skin and like got through it it was a decently long game but then like his next pop came around and I just went up in smoke

[molten hedge]

That was with a warrior I believe. The one I’m thinking of was on Tigers Peak

[stiff cedar]

we definitely played him more than once and there was a game on empyrean

but he prolly did it again on Tigers peak lmfao

thats definitely just how that comp plays so

[outer sky]

Makes enh look fun

[stiff cedar]

it does

that one specific moment makes it look fun and the rest of the game you're just like wow that has to feel terrible

[potent pivot]

Sham gives sub something like +8% overall dps if you can stick to targets decently

Auto attack damage, shadow tech procs, and more chances to proc trickster iirc

[sharp sierra]

Are any of you outlaws playing much beta or have been? I genuinely feel useless compared to prepatch. 1 min in it’s almost like everyone in the lobby goes “yo this guy does no damage just ignore him”

[grave basin]

Saw some guy play outlaw on beta just now on lontars stream

Did less than a demo lock being trained whole game

[dark kernel]

Im just

Unable to be disappointed further lol

As long as sub can be good I can be happy

[molten hedge]

Demo is sick rn I’ve been playing it

Having axe toss and that fel lord that stuns ppl with no DR is nasty

You can place the fel lord over a bomb too which is crazy

[vocal surge]

Waiting for Outlaw Damage buff

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-waiting-bench-skeleton-gif-4894276245579207105

[molten hedge]

Alright boys

What we bitchin about today

[vocal surge]

Good question

[molten hedge]

😂😭

[vocal surge]

We already said most of em

And got nerfed inadvertently

Despite "bug fixes" that are mysteriously worth 15% of our damage profile

[spring bough]

Didn’t mvq get deleted for TOS? 😂

[vocal surge]

Lol

[molten hedge]

Lolol

[vocal surge]

SoD is so addicting

Bringing out my Leogan to do pumper dps

[potent pivot]

the guy used AI to code an illegal addon and for some reason still talks shit about sammers

[spring bough]

“Keep lying bud” 💀

[potent pivot]

its so weird and just.. cringe tbh

its not like any of them will ever make any money worth talking about with these addons

talking about "stealing" public projects that have been passed around through many other people and continued, all voluntarily, the guy is just weird af

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ve thought about jumping back into that

[hollow niche]

But its dead

[jolly sierra]

is sod still a thing?

[spring bough]

They need to re run it a second time

Maybe new abilities second time around? Finding them was fun for the first few seasons

[vocal surge]

Ye

Raids go on daily

[jolly sierra]

oof, gotta try anniv to get the corrupted ashbringer

rn i am lvl 38 with a hunter

[vocal surge]

Aye

I got mines on a warrior

Might get myself a 2nd one

[jolly sierra]

do you have the wep already? lol

[vocal surge]

Ye

Only 1 per toon

Gonna make a 2nd toon for it

[jolly sierra]

send a pic dude

i am curious

never met a homie w the wep

[vocal surge]

Its purified form

[jolly sierra]

ohhhh the SOD one

how long was the questline?

[vocal surge]

Pretty lengthy

Not as lengthy as it is costly thou

[jolly sierra]

ive heard truesilver skyrocketed in price during the questline

when was added

[vocal surge]

Ye

It takes 120 Truesilver Bars for each Ashbringer

alongside that, 40 Enchanted Thorium Bars (40 Thorium Bars + 120 Dream Dust) & 40 Large Obsidian Shards for the Obsidian-Infused Thorium Bars

[jolly sierra]

XD

[vocal surge]

makes 20 in total Obsidian-Infused Thorium Bars

[jolly sierra]

crazy mats, neither fy'ralath needed that much

[vocal surge]

Yeee

You also needed 12 Lightforged Ingots from either the raid or weekly

and Dirge's Kickin' Chimaera Chops

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDD

chimerok chops

god dammit

[vocal surge]

Yee

[jolly sierra]

that is pricey af

[vocal surge]

the rest of the Ashbringer mats

20 Arcanite Bars, 10 Huge Emeralds, and 20 Righteous Orbs

[jolly sierra]

alright tell me

how much overall in gold was it

[vocal surge]

When I got mines

it was cheaper

at a whopping 2k gold

I got a lot of free donations

In today's price
Obsidian-Infused Thorium Bars: 2800g
Arcanite Bars: 360g
Huge Emeralds: 70g
Righteous Orbs: 300g
Truesilver Bars: 2160g
Dirge's Kickin' Chimaerok Chops: 172g
Total: 5862 gold

Here ye go

^

Feel free to choose between Airborne & Gouge

[vocal surge]

This is also skipping the enchant btw

[jolly sierra]

fuck, excessive af

[jolly sierra]

grand inquisitor?

[vocal surge]

Best Ashbringer Enchant cost 164g + tip for Blood of Heroes

Ye

so ye, add enchant in and you're looking at 6026 gold lol

[jolly sierra]

crazy expensive

i barely have 200g on anniv tbh

[vocal surge]

You can skip the insane price by picking up mining

[jolly sierra]

ye

[vocal surge]

But it'll take a while

[jolly sierra]

you get the truegold but what about the dust

gotta try getting one for anniv, i already got greenlit to arrange a pug from guild officers, now its just level up

a sword i say

[vocal surge]

If I do grind serious in SoD

for like a day

I could technically generate several thousand gold in raw materials

Last night I was paid 275g for power leveling someone

[jolly sierra]

ye but classic versions from this game are crazy boring

[vocal surge]

The day before that, I made 1500g from just raw materials and item drops

in 2hrs of grinding

[jolly sierra]

oh

ye that is 1/4 the sword

4 days and u get everything

[vocal surge]

and there was the time I produced 3500g worth of flasks

[jolly sierra]

in one day?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[jolly sierra]

crazy af, i hope getting gold in that way too lol

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Pvp can still happen here n there lol

[jolly sierra]

pvp in sod? how you do it, r14 or so?

[vocal surge]

Duels and Blood Moon

[jolly sierra]

ahhh got it

thought were rated

[sharp sierra]

Dude I feel like I’m going crazy I want to main this spec and love it but it’s so sad

[outer sky]

I always feel like every spec i like is usually bad

Like the only shit I like besides rogue is surv hunter and ww monk

[sharp sierra]

I just don’t want to play sub, I don’t enjoy it and have been loving outlaw but the damage is so laughably bad

Totally okay with doing flat damage but the flat damage isn’t even there lmao

[sharp sierra]

Like there’s only few ways to write the same exact code idk why mvq is crying all day when he can’t even code himself 😭

[outer sky]

I wish they'd would just ban him

Like not even for the addons thing

He kinda just seems like a prick idk

[sharp sierra]

I wouldn’t go that far but he is annoying as hell

[grave basin]

sv and ww are good rn though

[outer sky]

Thats an anomaly though

[sharp sierra]

In the dh discord he would tag a dev and cry about shit

[outer sky]

Yeah def need to ban him

[sharp sierra]

I really don’t wanna lock outlaw and lose 500 games to get 1800 🤣

Maybe I just need to post a vod, I think I’m not connecting something right

In prepatch I definitely feel like I’m doing something though

[outer sky]

Ok its not THAT bad. Should still be able to cruise to 2.1 in 3s and 2.4 in shuffle

[sharp sierra]

It might be my stats maybe I screwed up somewhere. Idk could just be facing omega demons in SS cause like I said in prepatch I feel fine with the lower damage I can still feel like I do something

Does whaz stream at all?

[outer sky]

Yeah but idk if he streams outlaw

Or if so how often

I may need to spend some more time with Outlaw myself

[lusty forum]

Btw should sub be top dps in shuffle usually ?

[outer sky]

No

[lusty forum]

okay i wasnt sure because of the new expansion

[lone jasper]

https://www.twitch.tv/venruki

he is still very happy with assa rogue

but it seems its not bad on beta 😄

[wise sequoia]

Supa also played it after buffs and had lots of fun with it.

But he did complain that energy regen is low after the thistle tea is spent. And that its hard to use the CC without easy stealth.

But still a fun spec.

[grave pier]

Hey guy s for RMP do I open by:
Sap Off Target
Cheapshot Healer
Kidney Main

[cunning reef]

Make sure to use fire eaters and bubble wand that’s the most important thing

[grave pier]

que?

wdym by this

[muted abyss]

He just said he thinks rogues are the worst pvp class lol

[true warren]

is plater in the current state any useful for pvp? like do i see enemy CD's and CC's on the target like on better blizz plates?

[lone jasper]

yes he repeated again 😄

[severe helm]

it has all the functionality of better blizz plates

with more visual customization

and additional scripts/mods you can do

so in theory yes

[true warren]

ok nice was this changed recently? i had it up until 4 weeks ago and CC's didn't show up on the target

[molten hedge]

I just watched a couple shuffles from him yday. It was hard to watch ngl.

Cloaking air to avoid possible cc. Not feinting when opening before a sub. Trinketing a disarm. Cloaking glare vs ret mage lol

[cunning reef]

does he not understand how to spam garrote silence

He is doing negative damage

[severe helm]

rupture silences?

[molten hedge]

Some of those things are ok to win a game but not in the opener before nothing happened

[cunning reef]

chill shorty I fixed it

[molten hedge]

He actually did ok damage usually 1 or 2

But it looked like he was doing nothing for sure

[cunning reef]

he’s not applying spread pressure I wouldn’t take his word on rogue he’s obv being sarcastic too

[molten hedge]

Idt Assa does spread prsssure anymore

It’s single target

[cunning reef]

he can silence 2 target in that match up

[molten hedge]

Yeah he did sometimes but I’m just saying his use of trinket and cds was horrendous

[cunning reef]

yea I can tell he’s not played Assa in a while

[molten hedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/supatease/clip/GorgeousTalentedPorpoiseBCWarrior-V6OlqprzRLSKr469

[muted abyss]

why is he calling the lizards dragon?

[molten hedge]

Here he opens without feinting (clipped a few secs late), trinkets first cheap when nothing is happening, then cloak and evasions

The first 15 secs lol

[cunning reef]

Lmao that is comedy ty for that

“Rogue squishy”

[muted abyss]

yeah, gotta use evasion and cloak for rogue/pally lol

[cunning reef]

he’s so slow to open lol

[lone jasper]

Ive tried Diablo 4 with rogue. Any1 play here?

Love visuals, but very boring :/

[cunning reef]

I did for 4 seasons, barb was always so much better

[lone jasper]

The game itself is boring, not the class. I just feel like in two weeks I’ve already seen everything and I’m repeating the same thing a million times. The game has no soul. I want to feel motivated to play, but instead I’m watching WoW on Twitch while spamming one button in the same locations over and over. 🤣

[muted abyss]

put it into D tier lol

[cunning reef]

that’s ok leave it there it’ll be like s3 no one knew it was good for a while

[muted abyss]

Just needs another 15% damage buff

[cunning reef]

I like you

[sharp sierra]

I loved the trap build

But since paladin came out I can’t imagine playing anything else it’s just straight up broken lol

[exotic dove]

Hey those playing beta did they fix Deathstalker for Sub or Assa yet? I been away for a bit and havent had a chance to play

[lone jasper]

Im against that class even there 😄

Im liking assa rogue on beta more and more. Some days I wasn’t keeping up with the updates, but im kinda happy watching not rogue lover - venruki.

[sharp sierra]

I’m actually so mad I even bothered trying it. The stupid hammer spin build is so braindead I’m super excited for warlock to come out

[proven field]

D4 is so wildly boring compared to 3, it's actually insane. You set your basic build extremely early and just... do it forever with very limited change or innovation along the way. D3 you could do fun things like give an ability lightning damage, or make a single target now an AOE bleed and you kept getting rewarded with new playing styles. Massive step backwards. Also the 450 item stats make the biggest nerds cry - so needless

All of it to stare at 2,000 shades of black, brown, grey and dark red for the entire game. It's like the creators forgot what fun is

[outer sky]

Of course hes happy with it. He doesn't main it. I'd be happy with it too if I played something else lol

[molten hedge]

He’s so bad at it lmao. I played him last ssn on his 2400 challenge and he wasn’t as bad as yday tho

[odd wasp]

anoyne have a sold for arena frames atm... just went against 2 monks and couldnt tell which was mist and which was windwalker

[molten hedge]

Is the blue set the only rog reward from mage tower? Which spec easiest

Realized I’ve never done it

[outer sky]

Used to be you could tell because the windwalker would be the one in melee one shotting you but now Mistweaver does that too

[molten hedge]

Also which rog spec is easiest for mage tower

[potent pivot]

Yes and tbh whatever spec ur most familiar with

They are all harder in different ways

The outlaw one requires well timed target switching and killing the adds in an order of priority while dodging hella shit

The sub one requires methodical usage of shadow step, stuns and interrupts. As well as a near perfect dps rotation for the final phase

[gilded gulch]

huh the sub one isnt that tight

[potent pivot]

The assa one you gotta keep bleeds up on the 3 bosses while CCing, interrupting, dodging, etc

[potent pivot]

It definitely used to be

[molten hedge]

Keeping bleeds up on 3 targets sounds impossibruh for assa rn

[gilded gulch]

Idk i did release week havoc

so i guess my brain just knows xylem on autopilot

[molten hedge]

Ty for this info @potent pivot 🙂

[potent pivot]

Completely different class wow

[gilded gulch]

outlaw is just an m+ simulation

yeah havoc one was harder

[potent pivot]

LOL

[gilded gulch]

i did sub in one try

If you know how to hit your buttons the outlaw challenge is the easiest.

[spring bough]

So are we excited for next Thursday

[potent pivot]

For me it was assa > sub > outlaw

From easiest to hardest

But that’s just because of my personal strengths/weaknesses

[gilded gulch]

I mean it depends how well you know your dps rotation.

Because outlaw is just m+ simulator

kick a mob, dodge a boulder periodically

[subtle warren]

Does anyone not target enemies in arena with 123? I have 1/2/3 for like step kick and blind, and I focus with 1/2/3 and have a bunch of focus macros - but I generally just tab for targeting. However sometimes it’s slightly less than optimal. But it’s super hard to break the habit (I’ve been playing with tab unbound)

Basically wondering if anyone else has 1/2/3 for important spells but not basic targeting

[cunning reef]

outlaw, I 1 shot it

piss easy

[sharp sierra]

[potent pivot]

Not rly

For me it was just the most hectic one, and just unenoyable

[gilded gulch]

Yeah i just meant the actual mechanic involvement is low.

[spring bough]

It got fixed lol

[gilded gulch]

It's just a repeat of micro checks

[sharp sierra]

yeah its 45 sec in pvp but 18 sec outside of pvp lol

[potent pivot]

Idk I’d rather deal with mechanics than that much target swapping

Rather interrupt/cc certain casts than deal with 5 different types of 50 adds that all also have their own mechanics

Idk if u did the outlaw challenge back then but

Outlaws damage was dog shit in the challenge

It might have been easy on fury warrior or whatever else, but it was a bitch and a half on outlaw

[gilded gulch]

Depends which patch you did it.

any patch when mfd existed it was a massive joke

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-detector-bitcoin-rd-btc-my-clown-detector-is-off-the-charts-strike-memes-gif-22298893

[grave basin]

In terms of fun xylem > imp mother > 3 stooges imo

The 3 stooges fight has way too much piss overlapping mechanics

Did it as ret though, might be a bit different on rog

[sharp sierra]

okay so 4 set is cringe

2 set has way better stats

doubt we even bother with 4 set

[gilded gulch]

Yeah its the most actual mechanics

[grave basin]

Fight has like 3 mechanics iirc

Rng just makes them sometimes all overlap and ig as ret you can bubble first then just insta die to next set

[gilded gulch]

Yeah

imp mother is relatively kill imps and dodge boulders

[grave basin]

Like the rune soak comes up as the dude has his shield up

[gilded gulch]

and kick the heal cast

[grave basin]

And the demon at the side spawns right ontop of the rune

I mean ok ig ill just bend over then

[gilded gulch]

Yeah personally i think that was one of the more annoying towers

[grave basin]

Did xylem as sub, was really fun

Mistake was usually your own, could feel a sense of progging

[outer sky]

This guy has me on tilt so hard

as if he didnt know what I meant

when I called for help

[potent pivot]

noob

[grave basin]

1 week chat ban inc

[potent pivot]

Idk I liked it a lot

[gilded gulch]

Yeah xylem felt the most like a full on mechanical progress fight.

while imp mother is full on diarrhea of the same 2-3 things

[potent pivot]

Having to keep up with dps on 3 bosses while dodging/clearing/dealing with their casts etc

The xylem one was cool too I liked that the final phase was a tight dps check

First phase was just kinda boring

[grave basin]

Unforch the mage tower can be cheesed so easily now

With w/e embelish

[potent pivot]

Yeah and you just have 50 more talents

[grave basin]

Did a few in tww and had like infinite verse

Did the sp one and frost mage one so quick

[potent pivot]

I still have to go back and do a couple to get the mount

[grave basin]

I think the gaurdian druid one legit took me 250 wipes

[gusty hedge]

tricks just joined clown school with xiani🥳

[gilded gulch]

it was easier before df talent trees

since you could abuse gear

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

Damn lol that’s supposed to be one the easiest ones rn

[gilded gulch]

and mfd

[grave basin]

Really?

Damn

[gilded gulch]

Yeah i mean i 1 tapped most of the imps

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[gilded gulch]

in the sl variant

mfd finish

rinse repeat

[grave basin]

Call me monkey then

[gilded gulch]

guardian i guess depends when you did it

[potent pivot]

There’s YT guides on the beat one that make it look like piss

But most of that’s because of cheese and new talents

[gilded gulch]

There's always been cheese tbf

[potent pivot]

Not like there is now I don’t think

[grave basin]

Was one of the first i got when they reopened it

[gilded gulch]

nah sl reintroduction was piss

because there was alot of gear that didnt scale down proper

[potent pivot]

In SL you could use old trinkets and consumables, but now there’s so much new shit that doesn’t scale down

[grave basin]

Sl one was way harder than now

[potent pivot]

You can do like double the dps rn I think

[gilded gulch]

I killed the first miniboss of bear challenge in like 30 seconds

[grave basin]

Now you can just never die with 100% verse

[gilded gulch]

i just stayed in boomy form and blasted it

[grave basin]

Yea i did the boomy thing too

That was the easy part though

[gilded gulch]

the second guy didnt move my hp

[grave basin]

I usually died with one orb to go

You were supposed to rotate

[potent pivot]

Imagine cheesing a solo challenge

[grave basin]

Like regen then skin then si then si again or something like that

To get to the 4th orb

But i kept fucking up that part and i usually let ironfur fall off

[potent pivot]

The healer one still the true test of gamerhood?

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

Idk i did the rsham one in tww with infinity verse

Think i did it in under 10 attempts

[gilded gulch]

i mean bear challenge i killed him too fast that i had to relog

[grave basin]

Cant die until the last part

[gilded gulch]

for the achieve to register

3:41 kill

the actual sl cheese was using tbc gems

from dungeons

those didnt scale down

[grave basin]

That was half the cheese

You also had legion raid trinkets

[gilded gulch]

That was one option you could run

the iskar caster trinket from hfc for bears

[grave basin]

The seed trinket from first boss EN and the eye trinket from wod

[potent pivot]

Also old consumables

[gilded gulch]

oh i know

[grave basin]

Satyr shoulder enchants

[gilded gulch]

i made like 500k gold first week of sl magetower

selling old consumes

80% of it was from the bfa food

[grave basin]

Cant wait to ride my SL meta dragon in two weeks

And never step into oribos again

[spring bough]

Can’t wait for a broken farm the first week or so of midnight and make a ton of gold

[grave basin]

Ill be busy leveling 15 alts

3 dks 3 hunters 2 monks 2 sps and one of the other classes

[spring bough]

Just 1 rogue and 1 DH for me to start

[potent pivot]

Wait how long has that mount been a thing wtf

Looks like a scuffed glad mount

[grave basin]

It is a non armored glad mount

[potent pivot]

Didn’t even know it existed

[spring bough]

What is it from

[gilded gulch]

or first week of tww launch

i made like 800k selling the recipe for a crafted item

[potent pivot]

SL meta achievement ig

[muted abyss]

Yup, the epic edition pays for itself with just the headstart

[gilded gulch]

that dropped from the theater weekly

[potent pivot]

What all u gotta do for it

[spring bough]

People can’t wait I’m ready to make some gold

[grave basin]

What am i left with?

Or whats in the whole acheivement

[gilded gulch]

it was the recipe for the simp ring

if you're wondering

[grave basin]

Selling recipes from the pvp boxes was good too

[potent pivot]

The hardest parts of the whole thing ig

[gilded gulch]

you got to do all the covenant building things

like the anima conductors

[grave basin]

Make 4x toons do 4x covenants

And build the covenant building events

Thats by far the most time consuming

Im left with 2 quests from the necro abom factory then im done

Good luck getting the anima too

[vocal surge]

Aye

[sharp sierra]

im having fun

[spring bough]

Yeah see u in season 2

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

i think my blade fury usage is bad

imma try less haste and more crit

[vocal surge]

D1 more fun than 4 tbh lol

[vocal surge]

Wanna duel?

[vocal surge]

Lol tru

Waiting 10 million years for Blizzard to do something

[outer sky]

That priest must not have a monitor to go 0-6 against a pres right now

[sharp sierra]

Yeah he lowkey was screaming at Hunter blaming him

[outer sky]

Was he disc?

[sharp sierra]

I’m already down bad I do not to be even worse 🤣

[sharp sierra]

Yup

[outer sky]

Thats sad lol

[sharp sierra]

@vocal surge what’s your gear and stats looking like rn for beta?

[potent pivot]

Ah I’ve already got a lot of em

[vocal surge]

where we meetin' at?

Only got 4 crafted pieces

Rings, neck, and bracers

everything else is conq'd, fully enchanted, and gem'd

[vocal surge]

F

[sharp sierra]

I did not agree I said I’d get smoked 🤣

Already banging my head trying to do damage

[vocal surge]

Haven't you been playing the Beta more than me?

lol

Also I like how im having really bad connection problems in the Beta

everytime I log off 2 characters

[sharp sierra]

I’ve honestly just been testing each spec, only now seriously taking outlaw into shuffles. I have more fun with it in prepatch lol

[vocal surge]

Ah

[sharp sierra]

It like randomly will refresh all the graphics for me

[vocal surge]

u sure u dont wanna fight 1v1?

[sharp sierra]

I’m 100% sure lmao

[vocal surge]

with me having

200ms ping

lol

[sharp sierra]

When I feel like I’m not roleplaying as a healer I shall challenge you

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot the 2nd boss was throwing me but i kept dying bc i stunned it and had to step in the shadow lol better not to stun him

got er dun thooo

[vocal surge]

1v1?

[sharp sierra]

Are you playing from the ISS?

[vocal surge]

Nope

[potent pivot]

Yeah and the shadow fuckin hurts

Gz tho

[sharp sierra]

Can I ask how often you track the zero in buff? Like do you hold it till it’s max for BTE?

[vocal surge]

Sometimes forever

sometimes early

[molten hedge]

for sureee lol. i do like the green set from tomb of sargeras thats a nice set

[vocal surge]

4-0'd him 1v1 already lol

[fathom moss]

Forgot to send this a while back but 159% mastery baseline in pvp combat, 184% when wpns proc

[spring bough]

“Outlaw is bad” doesn’t win a game against it 😂

[vocal surge]

Not hunter

shaman

[sharp sierra]

[vocal surge]

Beat a Havoc DH

[sharp sierra]

average dh brain

clip a duel

[vocal surge]

Another win

Got it

[vocal surge]

There ya go

[sharp sierra]

damn ill have to try out trickster

[vocal surge]

xD

[sharp sierra]

send the string lmao

been running without KS

[vocal surge]

CQQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZ2mBjZYmtZmZmZMmtNjZsNtNYbGAAAAAgtlZmZYmZmZMzMGAAAAGzADmtZzMzMamZjZjltpF2YAmZmZGYA

[sharp sierra]

If i lose next shuffle its your fault

[vocal surge]

Ey, it was your choice

to take my build

The psyops is working xD

Getting more duels

Than I'd normally would

How SS go?

just destroyed an unholy DK lol

using only Adrenaline Rush and Vanish

[gleaming sentinel]

The blind on hunt

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[vocal surge]

BM Hunters still overtuned

lol

[sharp sierra]

way better damage ngl despite the draw

literally felt like i was making the subs day hard he was RAGING

I like that build more than FB for sure

[vocal surge]

[sharp sierra]

Orc racial + trinket + KS is FUN AS FUCK

not having the double charge of hook is weird to get used to but overall liked the build better

[vocal surge]

Did it feel like you had a nuke ready?

[sharp sierra]

Yeah i actually watched a health bar go down for once xD

[vocal surge]

xD

[sharp sierra]

i think imma try for some more crit

[vocal surge]

my current stats in PvP

lol

[sharp sierra]

yeah im about the same

shaman burst is terryfing tho

[vocal surge]

Yee

[sharp sierra]

when the sub was on my team i said "you do dam and ill make sure the healer has no fun"

he responded "dont mess up my cc"

he flopped by LOSing our healer and then procceded to flame him

then lost every fight against me xD

[vocal surge]

[sharp sierra]

Theres nothing more fun then seeing him go invis, hooking to him trying to dump on healer, and hitting a fat disarm

wait so if you wait for 20 stacks of zero in that makes the default max combo point for BTW hit for 54k

then you add racial + trinket for 65k

then you add supercharger whch is two more points so whatever that makes it

THEN if you hit a crit at max points its makes it x4 so theres a CHANCE BTe could hit for almost 300k?

im gonna be chasing this high all season

[vocal surge]

You forgot to account for Fazed

and Flawless Form

[sharp sierra]

8% + 20%

jesus fucking christ

imagine if coup worked for BTE

[vocal surge]

and you do that during Menacing Rush

for the x1.2 damage amp

Also the Crit DMG for BTE in PvP is x3.0

instead of x1.5

[sharp sierra]

oh and i didnt even account for BTE procs either

Boutta cook up the fattest addon to track that xD

[vocal surge]

BTE procs dont stack for the fat BTE from Zero-In

[sharp sierra]

oh thats right

[vocal surge]

You rather have the fat BTE first

then chain Ace into fat Dispatches / Coup de Grace

+6 stacks preferably

[sharp sierra]

damn im wondering what the absolute fattest you could hit for. I mean getting all those procs and buffs to line up would be crazy hard

[vocal surge]

I've been saying that

for a while

no one believes me

Remember this?

[lilac raptor]

how is assassination looking so far

[potent pivot]

🎱

[sharp sierra]

i am a believer

FUCK SUB

im ready to play 1k games and still not break out of 2k rating

[proven field]

This is actually crazy sustain.. very interesting

[vocal surge]

x)

[molten hedge]

anyone know what stats are on beta

for sub?

[potent pivot]

13-14% haste at least

The rest as normal

[molten hedge]

oh ok good 14% is all i could get

that's what im rockin rn out of pvp

didnt you say were playing 4 set? @potent pivot

sub

[potent pivot]

Iirc ye

[potent pivot]

You can swap a lil vers for more mast

[vocal surge]

I feel bad for this shaman

NO ONE STEPPED INTO THE SPIRIT LINK LOL

They lost because no one stepped into his Spirit link

[vocal surge]

30% haste go brrr

[molten hedge]

Just played sub in beta. Whoever said it’s not as good as prepatch sub is coping fs

[molten hedge]

Shaman seems hella weak atm I only played a couple shuffles but it seemed p bad

[vocal surge]

30% haste auto attack go brr lmao

[sharp sierra]

lmao if id love to see my auto attacks do more but no melee want to que anymore xD

[vocal surge]

Btw

that build plays with no tea

[potent pivot]

I said that

So did every r1 rogue I talked to

[molten hedge]

Yk what they say. Don’t meet your heroes

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

Did they say why

[potent pivot]

Games were going into 80-100% damp

[molten hedge]

Oh ya I think that’s just a beta thing though

[potent pivot]

It didn’t have as much actual kill pressure

[molten hedge]

Interesting. Damage felt fine to me and you get free finishers too. Ik they don’t do as much as we’re used to but they are free

[vocal surge]

@sharp sierra All haste

[proven field]

Oh this is beta lol - that makes way more sense

was watching on my phone like "damn 20k sustain dps? that can't be right"

[stiff cedar]

wow is that a new animation for blade rush or have I just never looked at it that close bc I'm on my phone so I zoomed in

bc it looks dope as hell

[vocal surge]

New animation for Blade Rush

[molten hedge]

when i get 4 set, thats what my stats look like out of pvp. i have haste vers or mast vers on every other piece. 2 of the set pieces are like haste/mast and crit/mast so thats where the versa goes

think i have 21% in pvp

[grave basin]

Can you get to the next break point of dance? ( 1 more extra second)

[molten hedge]

I have a shit ton of haste already

I’m at 7.1 out of pvp 7.3 in pv

So technically I could drop a little haste

[grave basin]

Yeap

[molten hedge]

The only non haste pieces I’m playing outside of 4 set is gloves lol

Everything else is haste even 2 of the set pieces

It is cool being able to play 4 set tho bc all stats are good

I can actually remove one of my crafted rings and be at 7 seconds of dance in PvP

So I guess I can make that one vers mast

[sharp sierra]

niceeee

2 set right?

[potent pivot]

That’s fine

You can swap a tiny bit of haste to mastery maybe

I think zicore ended up with around 13% haste when he geared on beta the other day

And like 6.9sec on dance

Anything over 6sec should still net you an extra global

[potent pivot]

That’s going to be damn near impossible in s1

Without going full mongo into haste

[grave basin]

I meant from 6 to 7

[potent pivot]

Oh I thought you meant 8 lol

[molten hedge]

I have 7 rn

[vocal surge]

Ye

[odd wasp]

should i be using 2 cheaps in my opener as sub ? is it even worrht ?

worth

[potent pivot]

pretty much any time you use a dance

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot

it feels like as sub now u can get into a trap of doing swaps every time you dance

it seems good but also bad. like im wondering if cheaping off target and continuing to do damage to our main target would be better

bc its like were just swapping around the entire game with dance being so short now

playing destro sub btw not rmp atm

[gilded gulch]

I mean doesnt it depend on what they trade

[molten hedge]

yea but it almost feels like youre just cycling through endless cds

[gilded gulch]

yeah i mean normally you just bang whoever is tapped

maybe rogue lock is different idk

stinky comp

Normally if they have cds back you probably give them too much time

[severe helm]

sub rn