pvp

[grave basin]

unfair advantage continues

damage meter shows enemy damage too now

[gleaming sentinel]

Rofl

[grave basin]

i love my unfair advantages

[stoic spruce]

Enemy damage itself isn't an unfair advantge

[grave basin]

yea ofc it;'s just nice to see

[stoic spruce]

Also isn't details just reskinned blizz meters?

[grave basin]

yeee

it was disabled at first

now theyve opened enemy damage

[stoic spruce]

Nice

Was worried it'd take a lot longer

Like a looot longer lol

[grave basin]

apparantly on beta there's a working death log too

saw it on mes' stream

[stoic spruce]

Oh good, now we just gotta be able to see buff uptime and I'll be all set

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s gonna be the same ui as before eventually rofl

[grave basin]

so i tested it

and it works in skirms

perfection

[safe pelican]

When can we pvp and get gear again?? March -ish ??

[grave basin]

you can pvp right now

[safe pelican]

Rated ? For midnight ? 🤔

[grave basin]

rated will be midnight

you can queue on solo shuffle right now and there's mmr

[gleaming sentinel]

Now just need big debuffs to not prioritize freakin fort buff etc lol

[safe pelican]

What the hell is the point of that , does the MMR you achieve secure rewards for the new xpac ?? If not waste of time

[grave basin]

you asked when you can pvp

you can pvp right now

[safe pelican]

You know what I’m here for , i need that new enchant shits fire… I saw March 2nd or something like that like damn

[grave basin]

sounds like you already knew the answer

[safe pelican]

Yall are just usually faster than google , we getting slack in here but March 17 is dumb long see you boyz then

[grave basin]

🫡

[dark kernel]

7 weeks til season start...

[molten hedge]

Idk I played sub and it just clicked 😂

[marsh blaze]

Just an update to whoever gave me advice yesterday as a noob coming into TWW/MN rogue. I wanted to play Assass but Sub just does so much more damage wtf...

[molten hedge]

It’s just prepatch man. It won’t be like that when midnight releases. Also not like that in beta

[marsh blaze]

oki

I love the rot bleed playstyle, it's cool but when i try to compare it it feels really weak on the prepatch

[molten hedge]

It is fun to mess around with though

Yeah assa is pretty dogshit no offense to your name lul

I’m sure it’ll get better!

[grave basin]

is my UI fucking clean or what

almost got it back to tww status

just need bigdebuffs to not throw a million errors and we gucchi

[marsh blaze]

Is there no way to get the buff/debuff track bars working for stuns?

[grave basin]

track BARS?

[marsh blaze]

Ye in the cooldown UI option

"Tracked Bars" I would like cheap and kidney there

for assassination you could put the bleeds there, so debuffs were possible

[grave basin]

erm

those are on your target, so CDM isnt exactly what that'sfor

you can use platynator addon to setup an icon to show the debuff

also just play beta they said

[molten hedge]

It’s not nearly as bad on beta

[spring bough]

Feb 27 early access and max level that day 🔥

[jolly sierra]

its in feb?

nice, more time to get money for a fkn dull upgrade midnight version

[shy vortex]

getting crates as horde is impossible

[gusty hedge]

need to join a crate farm group as horde or get lucky in ak , but yeah crate farm or no crates for hordie

[jolly sierra]

or belonging to a dead server

[gusty hedge]

im on a dead server but the cluster isnt dead. Horde dominance but Alliance dominates warmode. On Na i only know of 2 clusters that share multi realms/servers and and alliance dominates all warmodes because horde usually off warmode or sitting inside main cities

[spring bough]

Hell yeah long weekend inc that weekend

[spring bough]

Tichondrius alliance for crate farming >>>>>

[gusty hedge]

yeah that part of my cluster realms haha alliance dominated warmode for crates. Horde will have to gather up forces in lfg never solo unless early morning hours when its almost dead

[jolly sierra]

god dammit

my server is distributed in crates looting

sometimes a group of 5 allies picks it up

else its horde

[gusty hedge]

man i would like to see more horde out in warmode not only outside of durotar, like in the new zones haha tired of seeing only alliance.

idk ifs anyone seen last weeks against all odds wpvp quest. didn't see anything this week. i was for sure they were bringing it back but maybe it was a mistake and they hot fixed it

[spring bough]

Anyone had issues w their iPhone not charging after the latest software update? 😭

Reset my phone it works then randomly stops working but wireless charging works…. Gd apple lol

[jolly sierra]

wait for them, i think ppl is returning slowly

else, its dead xdd

[gusty hedge]

been messing with Ai to create a new type of spy addon and well it doesn't work correctly but its a start

[grave basin]

are we all watching the blizzard reveal in 30mins

[spring bough]

More AI…. 😭

[spring bough]

Meh

All I need to know is how to get my dark portal decor item

[gusty hedge]

yeah cuz i dont know how to do any of this stuff haha, just need something to let me know when there are enemies nearby that i cannot see or dont notice

[spring bough]

I’m just joking cause that’s what trickz says when I talk about arena core 😭

[grave basin]

do we agree with trille's prediction

on pvp

[spring bough]

Yes one statement made it’ll take less than 5 min

[gusty hedge]

when tricks said they all use ai anyway, thats when i had to check myself, and sure enough ai can create some ish wish i knew this before they gutted everything

[grave basin]

there was a huge addon war a few days ago

of developers accusing other devs of vibe coding (using ai to generate code)

and basically stealing and changing the homework

[lime oar]

i could not get freshDR’s to work for the life of me last night @hazy monolith

[gusty hedge]

dam i didnt know that ! ngl i seen an options that said vibe coding , is that what that is ? stealing code lol
is it ok as long as its not published live? or that gonna be against tos or something

[dark moon]

been like that since week i think

is the wow stream in like 15-ish minutes?

[grave basin]

yeee

15mins more

[grave basin]

so this is pretty close to tww UI no?

other than omnicc

sarena bugged out cause it was 2v3

[jolly sierra]

no info bout the portal decor yet?

[spring bough]

Looks fine

[static holly]

I went with a classic ui approach. Kinda happy

[gleaming sentinel]

We getting decor duels before a PvP reward revamp

[jolly sierra]

lemme trade my saddles for gold

2500g each would be fair lol

after all is random af to get one

[alpine basin]

hi guys what the best spec for pvp

[dark moon]

sub

[gusty hedge]

didnt see any info on the live stream or i msutve missed it, just ended

[jolly sierra]

did it finished?

rlly

[gusty hedge]

yeah its done atleast teh youtube live one has finished

[jolly sierra]

bruh

no portal info?

[lone jasper]

its first time rogue in official video :D?

[jolly sierra]

that is a fkn scam dude

[lone jasper]

and they connected it to housing 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soq6g3dL1Ys

[jolly sierra]

you log and its seems you get it

according to comments

[grave basin]

yup can confirm

[jolly sierra]

good shit

gj

[grave basin]

Wow basically a housing decor simulator now

Like 50% of that entire presentation was housing

At the end ion said somethinf about prince of darkness, thought he was gonna referance arthas

Jk more housing

[livid grove]

Can we get some neighborhood brawls?

[spring bough]

Wow is housing now 😭

[grave basin]

[dark kernel]

Wow is now a dress up game, there's just a combat game still buried

[static holly]

I have not even bought a house yet.
Couldn't care less

But I get their intention behind that

Wish they would spare 10% of this effort into pvp

[jolly sierra]

i dont have midnight yet

cant care less

[spring bough]

Did they even bullet point pvp or nah

[stoic spruce]

yall log in to outlaw

its a good Ace seed today

[spring bough]

Yes?

[stoic spruce]

good ace seed today

[dark kernel]

I log in to outlaw

[spring bough]

Everyday is a good ace seed day

[dark kernel]

Then change to sub

[stoic spruce]

no im telling yall to log in lol

[spring bough]

I’m at work 😭

[stoic spruce]

its a good ace seed today

boooooo

[spring bough]

By the time I login you’ll have used up all the RNG

[stoic spruce]

typical outlaw fashion

im trying to get a hitless fight in brawlers guild

people say to fight Dippy but that feels like cheating

[spring bough]

Idk what that means

[stoic spruce]

im fighting random dudes

[static holly]

PvE is for noobs. It's like playing chomp stomp

[stoic spruce]

mimimimimimimimi

a REAL outlaw plays outlaw in ALL content

ALL

no exceptions

@spring bough fact check?

[spring bough]

All content

3k io key player and elite pvper go hand in hand with outlaw

[sharp sierra]

im starting to enjoy sub a lot but theres no way beta rogue gonna go live like this lol

wayyy too op

[spring bough]

Less than 30 days…. Def going live… just don’t play it week 1 so we can avoid nerfs

[sharp sierra]

lol

i hope the nerfs dont go overboard

[stoic spruce]

you on beta?

[sharp sierra]

ye got access

[outer sky]

Idk sub isnt all that great on beta

[sharp sierra]

it can still stun lock and kill within it

[spring bough]

Outlaw can too. Shhhhhhh

[sharp sierra]

lol

[spring bough]

You playing aoe blind?

[sharp sierra]

nah

[spring bough]

It kinda OP and with new DRs it works well

[sharp sierra]

lmao

[spring bough]

Blackjack aoes

[sharp sierra]

i gotta try that

[spring bough]

And with only 2 DRs using that with an interrupt and a stun it’s kinda wicked

[sharp sierra]

ah

[spring bough]

16 second DR and outlaws blind is 18 second cool down

[sharp sierra]

assass feels super week from where it was

[outer sky]

Ive been having trouble in shuffle getting the kidney>blind>sap because my team keeps trying to CC off my kidney and refreshing combat on the healer

[sharp sierra]

assass feels like it just tickles

lol

[outer sky]

Assass is arguably the worst dps in the game on beta rn

[sharp sierra]

wild they havent buffed it

🤷‍♂️

maybe it scales well over time

thinking out loud

[spring bough]

I wait for a heal cast in shuffle. Send a kick. Almost immediately blind after right into the stun and a lot of these healers are folding. Takes a few tries but they eventually die lol

And if I got vanish up cheap right after the kidney if they low and it’s wraps

Just gotta pray teammate sees next cast and interrupts too sometimes lol

Feel like interrupts importance sky rocketed with the DR change

[outer sky]

Sometimes I send a stun or blind into a priest or monk healer and theyre just randomly immune to it even though theyre not on DR. It only happens with those 2 healers idk wtf it is

[spring bough]

The priest has a buff thingy like preso evoker has that immunes one CC

It’s like a light type icon kinda like holy nova looking I believe

[outer sky]

Ah but obviously if I'm able to see it that would be an unfair advantage

I think I want to know when my target is immune to CC

But I actually dont

[spring bough]

I think it shows up on the buffs on nameplates

Not sure if it’s on prio or not with platy

[sharp sierra]

dont flame me

but im actually starting to like their UI customizations a bit

obviously for the hardcore WA users, prob not

but i never really used WA and im not a hardcore PVPer

so there's that too

still needs a lot of work for sure

but its def a start

[static holly]

Just remove them all and where are fine

[gusty hedge]

throwing ccs into the abyss

[static holly]

Maybe

Or you coordinate and speak to each other

How do you think it worked in the past

Grinding R14 was really fun because it was a coordinated massacre

Or city raids

[severe helm]

as if people didnt used to coordinate and speak to each other haha

The truth of the matter is there were WAs that did far too much processing on the information that allowed people to think less like warnings on enemy cds so you just press your defensives when your alarm goes off. But a huge majority of WAs and addons made up for clear inadequecies in blizzards base UI and blizz has yet to deliver full substitutes for like base level functionality so it would be pretty awful for the player if they just flat out removed addons with how underdeveloped the base ui is still

[gusty hedge]

For wpvp non rated bgs non arena there is little to no coms. No one is gonna be typing mid fight i just cc this guy etc. lol Proper Dr trackin is all im asking and currently there is none

[static holly]

But it creates room for mistakes and not seeing and knowing everything is good. Not sure why you want to track everything

I think it will make pvp and especially healer more fun

[potent pivot]

They have

[sharp sierra]

barely

[potent pivot]

Idk in real games it doesn’t look that crazy

[sharp sierra]

it still sucks

[potent pivot]

Real games are going into deep damp regardless of specs afaik

[sharp sierra]

yea i dont play arena / shuffle. I just do blitz if i wanna do rated

[dark kernel]

Dude I've had multiple shuffles go 70% damp

[molten hedge]

It still does a lot of dam I’ve been almost even as far as dmg goes with other classes

Nothing I’ve faced one shots so everyone’s in the same boat

[grave basin]

Not sure why you want to track everything

Youre welcome to not track everything btw

Not sure why you want me to squint my eyes to see a faint buff amongst 20 buffs/debuffs for shit that's completely untelegraphed in game

Stuff like evasion/blur where only opacity drops

This is like pure venruki propaganda

And even he admits we need to be able to filter/ whitelist buffs/debuffs

[jolly sierra]

cdew already did his agenda

by boycotting rog so much than ccs turned into shit

all is mage's fault lol

[grave basin]

I mean priest presses fade and hes immune to the next cc

Yet theres NO WAY TO TELL??

[jolly sierra]

and feral is mostly ignored

[spring bough]

Early access is Feb 26 now???

[jolly sierra]

even if is assa 2.0

tell me who tf is the dev which hates rogues so much lol

[potent pivot]

We can though right

With a lil help

[grave basin]

Not yet

Unless theres a work around

[potent pivot]

BBF?

[grave basin]

Bbf cant filter buffs/debuffs

That section of bbf is completely gone

[potent pivot]

Ooh

[grave basin]

So dk looks at you

Puts up 20 debuffs insta

Priests have this new holy ward tech

With zero visuals

[spring bough]

doesnt platy somehow prio them?

[grave basin]

I have no idea but the system is balls

I love seeing a 2hour battle shout buff icon perma

Cause thats really important

Or fort on specs that can purge

[potent pivot]

Wonder if that’s part of the stuff they’re working on or if it’s just gone

[grave basin]

For now its gone

Blizzard has so far only let up on player power [combo points, maelstorm etc] so far

So we can reskin those

[tulip thunder]

does wowarenalogs still work or is that gg too going into Midnight?

[potent pivot]

I’m not sure about arenalogs. Warcraftlogs is still going to be fine.

Saving the combatlog data after the fact and exporting it somewhere like that is fine

So it depends on the addon dev afaik

[frank ravine]

is nelf still mandatory for assa in midnight?

or are we free

to be mandatorily orc

[potent pivot]

Nelf is likely still the best option, but less mandatory

Orc is quite good for Sub

We won’t fully know until a bit after the season starts really

[hazy monolith]

new pvp game mode

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

love prop hunt

[potent pivot]

PvP is dead boys we’re all prop hunters now

[stoic spruce]

thats fine

besides

its RMPs world and we're just living in it

[spring bough]

addons fine yesterday

now buggy today

[gusty hedge]

I still have snd on my bars and when i cast it in stealth it takes me out of stealth lol

[potent pivot]

Fatebound by chance?

[gusty hedge]

yeah, even with no one targeted

[potent pivot]

Ye it will still try to flip a coin

That may be what you’re experiencing

[gusty hedge]

feels weird now that it takes you outta stealth, never had that issue before prepatch😭 i guess i shouldnt be using it anyway tho lol messes up deadly pursuit proc

[molten hedge]

What does kingsbane hit for with the 4-5 hits it does on beta

[potent pivot]

Strange, it’s been an issue for a while iirc

[gusty hedge]

duro raided right before i logged out

[spring bough]

https://x.com/takhsick/status/2016986226343964837?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

🌧️ Takhsick 🏹 (@takhsick)

Imagine if they took the art budget they spent on making a useless hide and seek game feature no one will care about in 6 months. Then did something useful with that budget by redoing the player vs player system. Making it a renown track with more rewards up to 2.7. Creating

X · Jan 29, 2026, 9:26 PM

This looks like a cook I could get behind

[gleaming pawn]

depends on what all they backload that with, if super cool stuff everyone will want is at 2700 then people will riot

if it's a title, or a mount recolor then probably not so much

[dark kernel]

Hey that's my mentally ill friendo

Lol

[outer sky]

Not enough to make anyone's hp go down noticeably

[stoic spruce]

I LOVE RENOWN I WANT EVERYTHING TO BE RENOWN

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Isn’t everything but PvP renown already??

[stoic spruce]

Art team is involved with pvp rewards confirmed

[stoic spruce]

No

It's just rep

[lime oar]

who up hunting props

[stoic spruce]

Meeeee

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/VXB9sn6BTt

HAHAHAHHAHAAHHWHAHWAHHWHWGAGAGGAGAGAGAGGAA

@potent pivot

@spring bough

Rets will sanc every stun

Shamans will ground every trap

Nothing changes

[spring bough]

MiniCC? Got it 😂

[grave basin]

Dont you already use it?

Minicc was one of the first addons post midnight

[potent pivot]

“Chad”

Ban this guy

[grave basin]

Was intended i think

[potent pivot]

??

[grave basin]

Eventually we can see cc in the combat log

[potent pivot]

That icon in the middle of the screen

Saying “healer in CC!”

That needs to go

[grave basin]

Ye it can read the healer got kidneyed from the combat log

[potent pivot]

The icons by raid frames is fine

But get that WeakAura shit outta here

[spring bough]

Can’t wait for DontCast to get updated and yell at me when BOP is up lol

[potent pivot]

i genuinely think things like this shouldn't be allowed idk

[quick crypt]

So, based on the tier set, is outlaw forced to play Blade Rush in Midnight?

[potent pivot]

prob

cool ability

[grave basin]

Btw the beta version of that healer cc thingy also has a sound alert

Airhorns are back

[thin grove]

Yo, is there an omnibar alternative or see other player's kick cooldowns?

[outer sky]

Wait lol I dont understand. This goes back to the point I've been harping on for the last week. Wtf was the point of all of these changes regarding addons and weakauras if all that actually changes is which addons we have. Like, if we're gunna have shit like this, then put it back to how it was before and let us use the addons we're already used to instead of these new ones doing the exact same shit

[outer sky]

Not yet but im sure there will be soon and it'll do exactly what omnibar did just look slightly different because if you could see kicks with an addon called Omnibar that would be an unfair advantage but if you can see kicks with a different addon nobody likes the look of then thats totally fine

[sharp sierra]

fucccckkkk servers went down while i was farming darkfuse

[potent pivot]

This is the kind of thing they specifically wanted to remove from the game

[potent pivot]

[grizzled basin]

Just realized cold blood is gone right after making a pvp come back in 11.2, the most iconic vanilla spell for rogue, so sad. Borring passive now.

[dark moon]

I think they are going soft on the restrictions due to the player outrage. I have seen a couple of positive opinions and everything else is doomer negative since the addons got nuked couple of months ago on the beta.

Also haven't found a single person liking the simplification of the classes and the changes in the prepatch/beta

I don't really remember the legion spell pruning being that bad. There were certain shit parts like assa not having blind at the start of legion, but that got fixed

[dark moon]

Everything is a passive now, but I kinda like hearing the sound of it and seeing my hand glow often

[potent pivot]

I hope they don’t cave too much. Some people will never be happy either way, and some people won’t be happy unless they get their way

Impossible to make everyone like change

[dark moon]

Same. I hate all the warnings weakauras provided. It was so bad that everybody and their mothers started kiting, ccing, and generally getting on the other side of arena once a dmg cd was popped

[potent pivot]

Yep

[dark moon]

I even started trolling with coldblood before initiating a go, just so they can pre-use everything

[potent pivot]

If you’re actually good at the game/want to get good at the game, you don’t need all that

[dark moon]

True, but it helps. Awc players used it cause it helps, there's no denying that

[potent pivot]

The problem is that once some people are doing it, it becomes a race between players

“They’re using it so I must also use it to be competitive”

[dark moon]

That's the human psychology

[potent pivot]

of course, but it dumbs down the game and skill

[dark moon]

100%

[potent pivot]

i think once people get used to playing without all of these crutches, the game might be able to grow into something more fun than it has been

[dark moon]

I also think that, but there's a high chance we might never experience it. I personally disliked weakauras, so hopefully it doesn't make a return

[potent pivot]

there are things that they still need to work on making more apparent in some way

like fade etc

but having an air horn and text pop up on screen telling you.. you're letting an addon play the game for you

[dark moon]

I like the animation when a cast gets interrupted, but the duration is too short and can easily be missed

[potent pivot]

what pvp game does that kinda shit

i'll wait

[potent pivot]

wdym

like the actual castbar itself?

[dark moon]

When you interrupt a cast, an animation appears above the caster, that the spell has been interrupted

[potent pivot]

ah

[dark moon]

I'm not sure if its visible in pvp

I can't find an example of it

[potent pivot]

no worries

[dark moon]

Cause its a thing in pve

[potent pivot]

i think we really need to get back to communicating properly

like in comms in 3s etc

[dark moon]

With blizzard?

Ah

That ain't happening with this pkayerbase. Ita a common thing in other games, but not in wow

Ingame chat is dog

[potent pivot]

ye i don't mean shuffle

tho it'd be nice if we got to that point as well, i doubt that ever happens

[dark moon]

Im not sure how i feel about regular 3s. Always dreaded sitting lfg just to play 1 match and somebody leaves if a mistake has been made, because that's the majority of the lfg if you're not multiglad/hota/r1 player

Shuffle feels less punishing in that sense - queue up, play, win, lose, go next

[potent pivot]

3s is a lot better if you start out with friends or find ppl that are willing to push from scratch

[dark moon]

Maybe shuffle needs to be removed or tweaked, but that's a long discussion

[potent pivot]

but yea

[dark moon]

I don't have friends sadly

Pug life

[potent pivot]

i've barely used lfg in the past few yrs

[dark moon]

That's why I like shuffle.

And been playing that ever since

[potent pivot]

there's also cords that have lfgs in them

can sometimes help finding ppl to add on bnet and play

[dark moon]

Duo queue shuffle should be a thing tbh

Other games have it

[potent pivot]

if someone is already willing to go outside the game to a discord lfg, they're more likely to get in voice/add ppl/learn, etc

[dark moon]

Might reduce queue times, who knows

[dark moon]

True

[potent pivot]

i fear that would make win trading even more prevelant tbh

blitz already kinda has that problem in a way

where people "coat-tail" on high ranked healers

[dark moon]

There's wintrading on 3s as well so it wouldn't be that different, no?

[potent pivot]

in 3s both full teams are participating in it

in shuffle you're actively fucking over 4 other people

[dark moon]

In order to reduce wintrading blizz needs to obfuscate mmr, cr, names, transmog, appearance, chat, etc

And wintrading will still be a thing

[potent pivot]

they'd still know when the queue pops at the same time ye

[dark moon]

Yeah, unless there's a way for the queue to pop at different times

Which would be revolutionary

Like smaller acceptance windows and bigger preparation time inside

[potent pivot]

they need to add a penalty for missing queue pops

like if its happening multiple times etc

its just rough when q times are so long

easier to miss

[dark moon]

Yeah, but that's due to the rounds inside

I was thinking if shuffle gets reduced to one or two rounds. Seems logical that the healers spend more time outside of arena than inside

Like 6 rounds, each one is average like 2? Sometimes more sometimes they last seconds

But if they are 2 mins on average you spend 12 mins without the preparation which is how long?

So between 10 and 15 minutes inside, while if its one or two rounds per lobby it would be significantly less

[potent pivot]

i mean yea but all of that wouldn't be an issue if more ppl were queuing

[dark moon]

So more healers available

[potent pivot]

how long is your avg league game

[dark moon]

We already have the highest participation

[potent pivot]

20min or somethin?

[dark moon]

20-40

20-25 average maybe

But shuffle is being played by 200k people, league is more than that id guess

[potent pivot]

most games have way shorter q times

even if they have healer/tank roles

[dark moon]

There are couple of issues with healers in shuffle, but main one is the stupid mmr. It's really not good for healers

If you go 4-2 5-1 or 6-0 and you don't get points and you lose mmr that's not okay

[potent pivot]

where are you getting this number

[dark moon]

The activity throughout the season

Check-pvp

It was around 200-220k people

In 3s it was 20k?

[potent pivot]

half of those people played 1 game

[dark moon]

It was a huge difference

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't call that 'being played by 200k'

its also characters not players

i do agree its got more players playing it

just not enough still

[dark moon]

Yeah I agree

I was just check the last 24 hours of activity

[potent pivot]

between 1800-r1 there was 95k characters across the entire season

[dark moon]

So i would imagine it would be more accurate

[potent pivot]

can you show me where

[dark moon]

Will try on my phone, one sec

But that was during the season

https://check-pvp.fr/activities?bracket=shuffle&region=eu&page=1&lasthours=24

It shows 18 games in the last 24 hours cause it's nit an active season and i think its not being recorded

[potent pivot]

something must have been fucked up

[dark moon]

But during the season you van filter by spec etc

[potent pivot]

because that would've just been false

[dark moon]

Ye ofc

So whenever i checke, those 220k games it was in for the last 24 hours at that time

[potent pivot]

even if you say that was "rounds" and not games, it sounds impossible

[dark moon]

It was rounds

Cause it calculate 1 game as 1 round

There was another way to check the amount of people, but i need to get back to you on that

Even wowhead/icy veins shared the statistics at one point

Cause if you open the link the druid played 7-11 and the total amount of games is 18

So rounds are counted as one 3v3 game

[potent pivot]

ye i've checked these type of stats a lot

like on drustvar etc

[dark moon]

But 3s in general is like 10% of the shuffle participation

Which makes the bracket deadge

[potent pivot]

?

3s q pops are damn near insta

like 3-4min on avg typically s1/s2 idk about s3

i think shuffle participation is barely 2x of 3s participation

[dark moon]

At one point, the lfg was one page, no scrolling

2s and 3s

[potent pivot]

like truly active players i mean

[potent pivot]

because its lfg man

[dark moon]

Last time i played 3s it was DF and was facing multi r1 awc players on 1.8 so i stopped

It wasn't fun

[potent pivot]

i think df pvp was kinda dead overall

i remember some long ass queues

[harsh kiln]

I dont think lfg gives any reliable view of what the 3s queues are like. Lots of teams are already premade

[dark moon]

I didn't say it gives queues, but it's one point of the participation

Cause lfg plays shuffle, 3s is played mainly by premades

So finding people to play with when lfg is empty is not enjoyable

[harsh kiln]

Yeah thats fair

Lfg is not without its flaws for sure

[gleaming sentinel]

The last month of the season i think 3s was nearly more popular than shuffle on the weekend

[gusty hedge]

outlaw and aug the 2 classes i played s3

[marble oasis]

isn't that just a FOMO bump for gladiator rather than actual player growth though

[gleaming sentinel]

It should be a pretty telling sign what gets people to play though. The vast majority of players want rewards

[marble oasis]

Well the only rewards they can give mid season is gear and people don't want to be at a disadvantage for a long time they want full gear asap

[gleaming sentinel]

I wish they’d uncap conquest sooner

And 2300 being elite will be interesting as well

[marble oasis]

then player numbers will die off quicker that's the issue
if people are only pvping for gear/rewards it'll always die out between the start and end. so they've gotta make it actually fun

[spring bough]

Day one elite solo shuffle ez

Woulda had it this last season if it was 2300 on day one 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

im def gonna rush the enchant

matches my mog!

[jolly sierra]

which illusion will be this time for s1?

[lime oar]

galaxy or something like that

[dark moon]

That's just due to inflation. There's no reason to actually play before season end.

[gleaming sentinel]

I meean i think the game is fun personally... but yea

[jolly sierra]

galactic

seasonal titles will be funny af

[lime oar]

galactic gladiator

[jolly sierra]

galactic warlord

chad title

[gleaming sentinel]

time to throw like 3 outlaw rogues at blitz all season

[jolly sierra]

call one "galactus" pls

[gleaming sentinel]

im jk thre is no cchance i get it. I cant play in the middle of the night forr one

and there is the issue of not being very good at the game

[molten hedge]

Yeah apparently if your entire class just bitches on forums they’ll revert changes and buff #fkpalas

Palas are the biggest babies man although we got some in here too 😂

[jolly sierra]

gotta go ret depending and how messy the season will be lol

all depends of that

[molten hedge]

Im probably going to play sub destro this ssn

Or rmp

[gleaming sentinel]

I think im over it now, the initial shock of a prune always feels bad

and addons are whatever, i dontcare

[jolly sierra]

gotta read a lot of news before s1 tho

about that

and skip rated in the first 2 weeks as always

that spared me a lot of stress ngl

[spring bough]

G A L A C T I C 🔥

It looks sick asf

[spring bough]

I’m doing human rogue all in on it double dps trinkets all season fk a medallion

[gleaming sentinel]

feel like one KT might be good

just launch fuckers on cerrtain maps

[spring bough]

I got one ready too lol

Yeah that always fun

[jolly sierra]

if you get the r1 title flex it out lol

but send screenshot from illusion pls

idk how it looks tbh

[spring bough]

Illusion and mount top prio…. Title a pipe dream lol

Maybe 3s title but def never blitz or solo title for me 😭

[jolly sierra]

F

[spring bough]

Can’t lie outlaw feels good. Tried a few diff builds and passive dmg the way to go lol

No KIR for PvP feels too rng… 2/2 summarily dispatched is nice for dispatch dmg

[gleaming sentinel]

wrapping my head around adr being a real cd has been an adjustment for me

[jolly sierra]

glad they finally made a way to make the dices comfortable

[spring bough]

Menacing rush makes it feel strong

Prep is great for PvP too

[dark kernel]

I got a few games in last night, and it didn't feel terrible. It felt like my damage could actually hold heals down

[spring bough]

I tried the raid ST build….

Didn’t do so hot in PvP

[jolly sierra]

for me the fkn dices were the issue here xdd

[spring bough]

Went back to 2/2 heavy hitter and the opportunity inc talent

And it feels so much better

[dark kernel]

I just don't know when I would prep, I guess if I just really want more AR pressure immediately

[spring bough]

I save it for a cc window when adrenaline coming off to rip into another

[gleaming sentinel]

When adr / bte / blade rush is on cd

And kidney is ready tbh

[dark kernel]

The fact prep doesn't work on defensives and they nerfed our defensive with remorseless is funny

[spring bough]

I went from movement speed to combat stamina last night and we are still pretty tanky

Idk why but crimson feels like it heals a ton more and I don’t event use the crimson talents

[dark kernel]

Combat stamina is probably still mega buffed in pvp so I wonder how much it gives

It was giving 54% stamina this past season

[stoic spruce]

because vansih healing was just that strong lol

[spring bough]

Crimson just healing more idk maybe it’s from the squish

[gleaming sentinel]

yea combat stam / vial talents and the vanish heal is strong atm

[spring bough]

It’s 15% … 54% just a tooltip bug

[gleaming sentinel]

i cant not play double van tbh

[spring bough]

I’ve been doing 2/2 lethality and 1/2 supercharger and it’s baller

With tea and deeper

[potent pivot]

@jolly sierra https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1okkqof/wow_midnights_new_pvp_rewards_galaxy_illusion/

[jolly sierra]

ohhh lemme see

wtf those orbs

[potent pivot]

They aren’t as big on most weapons

But it looks decent

[dark kernel]

The weapon mogs look good next season

Our set just got shafted

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I’m just too used to being able to vanish cheap for defense

[spring bough]

Mounts even better 🔥

[grave basin]

low key i kinda like the low fantasy rogue sets

thecolor scheme for elite set is really bad though

but the mythic set is good

[spring bough]

Idk… it’s like tier 4 but dumbed down 🤦‍♂️

Helm looks uhhhhhh

[dark kernel]

I agree i just think it's a really weak set even for mix and match mogs

[spring bough]

Woulda been cool if they did the helm like tier 4

[dark kernel]

I'm trying to make a set to match my aq mount

[jolly sierra]

dimensius' balls

gladiators gathered them after TWW wtf

tbf looks weird af

to have 2 void orbs swirling around

with skulls looks different ngl like with unholy

[stoic spruce]

[spring bough]

Okay Mr. DK

[stoic spruce]

what does that have to do with only cool people liking low fantasy rogue sets

[gusty hedge]

this illusions looks 🔥

[spring bough]

Idk 🤷‍♂️

[spring bough]

High fantasy for me gotta be the red undermine pirate set w the skull mask. That shits one of the most top tier sets I’ve ever mogged

Gun belt 🔥

Skull mask 🔥

Trench coat 🔥

[jolly sierra]

low fantasy a rog with starter set

like the orc rogue one from classic

high a bloodfang

its very hard to raise the bar from there imo

[jolly sierra]

pick the orc rogue starter xmog then

idk if the alliance one its easy to get as xmog tbh

as they standardized all the starter armors since bfa tho

[dark kernel]

I just need to finish my full bonescythe

[jolly sierra]

i have it w my panda

wanna see?

XD

[static holly]

Goblin is the best

https://share.google/Pla61N3wL0pEsDwEr

Heritage or mixed with heritage

[gusty hedge]

@potent pivot Even with trickster using slice n dice while stealthed takes you outta stealth

[gusty hedge]

looks like when its 4 or 5+ Cp it will remove stealth

[rustic isle]

Is sub finally easy enough a moron like me can play it?

[gleaming pawn]

Guildie has been playing pve sub on his steam deck, so probably yes

[jolly sierra]

can that match the feral with controller at 2k4? lol

[gleaming pawn]

Lol feral is legit 2 buttons, but sub is definitely close

[jolly sierra]

that is fair enough for me

[stoic spruce]

cap

big cap

kul tiran dungeon set clears any set rogue has ever gotten ever

and its low fantasy

[spring bough]

the one u just linked right

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[spring bough]

Wonder if that new standalone will have updated sets of this

[stoic spruce]

new standalone?

[spring bough]

The new plunderstorm type game mode coming in midnight

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah

[spring bough]

Has a kul tiran type setting

[stoic spruce]

it looked more tiris fal to me

lemme rewatch

something about an evil scientist

im pretty sure its nothing like plunderstorm though

[dark kernel]

I want to be undead Rogue again but I think nelf may still be too good

Meld Shadow strike blink is good

[spring bough]

That’s fine as long as we get a bunch of good mogs

[gleaming sentinel]

Looks great on undead

[stoic spruce]

sick art

[gleaming sentinel]

Too bad we’re cowboys now

[stoic spruce]

I bet its gonna be like mafia

[dark kernel]

Looks like town of Salem

Yeah

[stoic spruce]

oh he called the team responsible for the standalone modes mad scientists

not that a mad scientist is involved

how endearing

[spring bough]

But what about the tumbleweed

[stoic spruce]

thats what hes saying

we're cowboys because of the tumbleweed

[potent pivot]

What’s that

[stoic spruce]

the new standalone mode

theres no name for it yet

or any info at all

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

yeah all the state of azeroth was stuff wcouldve guessed 5 years ago

minus housing obv

Trickz

did you know 12.1 will have a new zone and PvE/PvP season with new season rewards?

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

the mad lads actually pulled it off

[potent pivot]

I watched that thing yesterday and spent maybe 1.5 min actually watching

Skipped through most of it

[stoic spruce]

theres about 1.5 mins of new info

[spring bough]

Yeah I didn’t fully read it I’m doing a lil multi tasking right now lol

[stoic spruce]

the new cinematic was hype idc what poeple say

I thought it was cool

[spring bough]

AI?

[stoic spruce]

Are you saying it was made with AI?

[spring bough]

Was it?

[stoic spruce]

No

We just saying shit now?

[dark kernel]

Yes

I make up everything I say

[spring bough]

It was a question I didn’t even watch the video lmao

[stoic spruce]

In a way we all do

[stoic spruce]

No it wasn't AI

[potent pivot]

A lot of ppl were saying it was ai

Like a surprising amount

I don’t think it was though

[noble zodiac]

It looks really good the start is really epic. Was really surprised that its just for housing

[stoic spruce]

I think people say stuff like that to spite blizzard

every cinematic from here on out will have that claim

[potent pivot]

Rightfully so.

[stoic spruce]

not really

[potent pivot]

They’re taking all our PC parts we must band together

[potent pivot]

Jkjk

[stoic spruce]

its working >:|

[potent pivot]

The trailer did seem weird to me though

Like it’s overly bubbly or something

Felt less like a WoW trailer and more like a… animal crossing trailer? Sims? Idk

The first part was cool

[stoic spruce]

yeah was verrry friendly

but like

idk I thought it was cute

[potent pivot]

But the whole orgrimmar part just felt off

[stoic spruce]

first part was great yeah

[gleaming sentinel]

What you not excited to take on Xalatath and the void after that?

[potent pivot]

..no

lol

[stoic spruce]

well it got me excited to remake my house

maybe im just a bigger WoW fan

[woven copper]

Ha ha, you must all be joking, even though you've been playing for quite a while. This video is probably the worst of them all. Remember other videos promoting new additions, not to mention cinematics. This is on par with some Palworld or mediocre mobile game. On the other hand, as an animator, I can praise the detail, but this isn't about WoW, it's about some other no-name game, IMO.

[stoic spruce]

mimimimimimimimimi

[pastel burrow]

Pretty good copy pasta material here

[gleaming sentinel]

I can be excited for housing and let down about other things at the same time

I play all the content homie

[stoic spruce]

I play the content more

[gleaming sentinel]

Doubt it

[stoic spruce]

you cant even name all the content

[woven copper]

Wdym?

[gleaming sentinel]

42k achievement pts, I hit 3k in m+ and aotc with my dad guild every season. Legend / Strat every season. My house has a freaking gym and a bar dude lol

[stoic spruce]

light weight

[potent pivot]

It was a rogue so like

The first part was cool

[woven copper]

My goodness, have you seen that elf's face?😆

[stoic spruce]

its bait trickz dont go for it

yeah shes hot

I SAID IT

[potent pivot]

He means that’s a whole lotta words that can be copy pasta’d as a meme

https://tenor.com/view/albert-wesker-albert-wesker-resident-evil-4-resident-evil-gif-6288452723485402601

[gleaming sentinel]

Ha ha, you must all be joking, even though you've been playing for quite a while. This video is probably the worst of them all. Remember other videos promoting new additions, not to mention cinematics. This is on par with some Palworld or mediocre mobile game. On the other hand, as an animator, I can praise the detail, but this isn't about WoW, it's about some other no-name game, IMO.

[stoic spruce]

Ha ha, you must all be joking, even though you've been playing for quite a while. This video is probably the worst of them all. Remember other videos promoting new additions, not to mention cinematics. This is on par with some Palworld or mediocre mobile game. On the other hand, as an animator, I can praise the detail, but this isn't about WoW, it's about some other no-name game, IMO.

A tier pasta ngl

[woven copper]

😫

[lime oar]

Ha ha, you must all be joking, even though you've been playing for quite a while. This video is probably the worst of them all. Remember other videos promoting new additions, not to mention cinematics. This is on par with some Palworld or mediocre mobile game. On the other hand, as an animator, I can praise the detail, but this isn't about WoW, it's about some other no-name game, IMO.

[severe helm]

felt like a hearthstone ad to me lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah idk it just didn’t feel very “world of warcraft” to me lol

Was that the actual expansion cinematic?

Oh nah it was just a housing cinematic

Kinda whatever then

Forgot there was an official expac cinematic months ago

Don’t see why ppl care at all now

[severe helm]

I think people are just trained to look for weirdness in this day and age

[gleaming sentinel]

Just think a lot of people feel
Bad about pruning / addons etc and just wanted a glimmer of hope

[spring bough]

Half of the posts I see about midnight are not happy about it 😢

[gusty hedge]

World Of HousingCraft

[potent pivot]

The negative nancy crowd has always been the loudest

People are a lot more likely to post “I hate this, change that” than “wow I love this keep it up”

[spring bough]

I’m ready for early release so I can max level and wait for season to start lol

[potent pivot]

I’m not the biggest fan of how pruned they went

[woven copper]

It's not exactly negative, it's more like indignation; the game is becoming more and more like Disney world

[spring bough]

I’m just going w the flow season one hope PvP feels a bit more lively than it did with S3

Outlaw feels like no buttons got pruned just rotations changes really

[potent pivot]

They’re probably trying to appeal to a broader audience to get new players in

[spring bough]

No feedback loop about it lol and vanish big whoop still got the same builders and finishers and CDs at least. I logged onto my BM and DH and half the buttons on my bars gone so I can see where people mad about the pruning

[woven copper]

I agree, and it's not their fault, but their approach is confusing.

There are loads of games for a wide audience, most people play FF Online, it's cuter and easier

[pastel burrow]

idk what the fuss is tbh

WoW has always had stupid/funny/wholesome stuff

the only difference is they have the tech to put more effort into the cinematics for that stuff now

[potent pivot]

Both have been dying for quite a while now

They gotta try new stuff

[spring bough]

It’s crazy wow still has a 7 mil or so avg players a month after 20 years lol

[woven copper]

23 of them are my crafters👀

[potent pivot]

Where’s the number coming from

[woven copper]

It would be preferable if they had at least done the old one properly.

[spring bough]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/what-if-wow-quietly-revealed-a-9-million-subscriber-number/

According to google wrath of lich king peaked at 12mil subs. Pretty incredible run they’ve done lol

[violet halo]

hey, is assa good in pvp? never played rogues so im pretty new to it

[woven copper]

No, not now, play sub until midnight.

[potent pivot]

It’s usually fine yeah. Prepatch isn’t the best time

[potent pivot]

What does that even mean

[violet halo]

well i will try the class in pve for a while and then decide if i wanna play pvp, but i usually like bleeds and melee xD

[potent pivot]

It’ll be fine after a while, after the expansion actually launches

[vocal surge]

Aye

Almost brought back a 2v3

after a sub rogue left us at the start

our foes? MW Monk, Sub Rogue, and Fury Warrior

if the lad stayed with us, we'd win 100%

[solemn plover]

Can't decide what spec I like for PvP now. Ass feels like it's lacking burst (I could be playing it wrong) and I still don't totally understand Sub

[potent pivot]

Give it time til after the season starts

A lot of things are out of whack during prepatches

[dark kernel]

Im getting so many LUA errors the game is becoming unplayable with only one addon

and it's blizzard default UI lua errors

lets hope Bugsack works

[pastel burrow]

yeah buggrabber and bugsack work, highly recommend

[grave basin]

do they make the lua error spam stop?

[grave basin]

did 2nd wind get nerfed

kek

[dark kernel]

Yes they do

[grave basin]

Warrior

The effectiveness of the low-health effect of Second Wind has been reduced by 50% in PVP.

That was the only thing warrior had going for them atm

[potent pivot]

That their healing shit right?

[grave basin]

yea passive healing

warrior complete dog class now

needs a massive aura buff

[potent pivot]

Deserved then I think

[sharp sierra]

dont worry guys they fixed sub DM!

[potent pivot]

?

[sharp sierra]

the hot fixes they dropped a few hours ago

i thought it was funny they didnt fix the DM issue

[potent pivot]

idk if they ever will

[sharp sierra]

or is it already fixed?

[potent pivot]

idk if they even consider it a 'bug'

[abstract stratus]

whats with people getting 91 stat from reshi wraps on murlok?

[grave basin]

Its bugged on the website

In game it's the proper amount

[sharp sierra]

sub got obliterated in the hotfixes

due to a bug lol

this might explain why sub was one shotting people

Deathstalker: Fixed an issue that caused Precise Killer to apply double its listed effect

essrntially a 20% nerf to sub

[sharp sierra]

Been farming the darkfuse rep the last two days and man I feel bad for anybody in the future that has to come do this solo. Thank god everyone is spamming it right now

[vocal surge]

Just swap to Trickster

you'll be able to destroy people through huge walls constantly

[sharp sierra]

ah

got a good build?

[grave basin]

no one was running darkstalker..

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I think illl finish ravenholdt since it’s a 50% boost lol

[spring bough]

Are there premade for this??

This is the black trench coat one right

[sharp sierra]

Yes

They nerfed mobs though so it’s just fucking digging

[spring bough]

Ew lol

[sharp sierra]

Barely half way at 8 hours

[spring bough]

God damn so it’s gonna take two full days even with half the rep needed lol

[sharp sierra]

You but imagine trying to do it solo two expansions later lmao

[sharp sierra]

I need to do this next for those blades cape thing

[grave basin]

I need the soup event from dragonflight and its impossible solo..

[spring bough]

time for u to sit in lfg and wait for that one rare group farming it lol

[grave basin]

i have an alt parked and im just waiting for some random group

kek

[potent pivot]

Nah

[spring bough]

4k research to go homie

[grave basin]

thank fuck i did it when the patch was current

[gleaming sentinel]

Huh?

[abstract stratus]

is auctionator ever getting updated lol

[spring bough]

TWW being under the legacy tab now for currency 😭

[grave basin]

i just upgraded my mirrors to max

but i havent been bothered to farm

soon

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh you’re talking about the revendreth. I’m talking the vanilla rogue rep lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Already did that

[grave basin]

i need abom factory

takes a billion years

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea

I’m slowly chipping away at the BFA one… but like, the character I played back then has all the rep and stuff and I cba

[grave basin]

the mount looks pretty sick

[spring bough]

2940 market research to go we moving boys

[jolly sierra]

you guys have a cookie cutter sub build?

so i do this fkn fast and play the preevent too lol

[grave basin]

pins

[jolly sierra]

omw

[grave basin]

thank god there's a rep bonus

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I’m gonna farm lock boxes today get that pointless task done

[sharp sierra]

hopefully the dam is still there lol

[sharp sierra]

The mantle of crimson blades

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea tahts revendreth

not ravehholdt

[sharp sierra]

Oh lmao

[spring bough]

darkfuse scrap farming so boring after a while lol

[grave basin]

i hope you have the one cosmetic black pants that goes with it

that drops from scholo

[spring bough]

i have the black tuxedo pants

[grave basin]

geegee

[spring bough]

how am i getting 750 rep a box

isnt it supposed to be 500?

[grave basin]

..

[spring bough]

nvm 50% lol

[gleaming sentinel]

thats just this weekend right?

or is it all prepatch

[grave basin]

Should be all.of prepatch

[sharp sierra]

If you don’t open boxes and wait till tomorrow they give even more with DMF buff

Only need 5.3k market research

[sharp sierra]

Where is this? Didn’t even think about it lol

curious, how many of you actively pve

but are hardcore pvp players

[gleaming sentinel]

i do m+ up to 3k and aotc with my buddies

top 20ish in solo brackets usually

[sharp sierra]

nice

[gleaming sentinel]

good player not great

[sharp sierra]

i just do randoms lol

im a dirty bad casual

lmao

i tried solo

but get so tilted

so stopped

[sharp sierra]

I get the same way, I’ve never broken past 2000 because I’ll lose 2 in a row and just stop for a week and swap to another class till I’m cooled off

This season I’m sticking to 1 melee, 1 healer, and 1 caster

[vocal surge]

x)

[clever knot]

hi guys, hitted 80 now. whats the fastest way to get pvp gear? and what should i do? just wanna play a bit of all (bg arena etc) before midnight comes out

[potent pivot]

do comp stomp or join a crate farm

[clever knot]

sorry i have no idea what you say haha.

[potent pivot]

youtube is your friend, if you search 'wow pvp crate farm' you can prolly learn what that is. idk if there's any up during prepatch but they'd be in custom LFG

comp stomp is like BGs vs NPCs, its the best way to farm honor

crate farm is good for bloody tokens and conquest, comp stomp for honor

[clever knot]

aö

alright, ty 🙂

[spring bough]

sub is so ez rn lol

overall from a shuffle... secret tech and evis just chunking lol

[potent pivot]

I can’t wait for prepatch to be over

[spring bough]

cant wait for it to still do this at max and get nerfed week 1 lmao

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t

[spring bough]

beta isnt live still got 30 days much can change lmao

[potent pivot]

Yeah they’re just gonna randomly buff finishers by 50%?

[static holly]

I second what trickz said

[potent pivot]

Lmfao okiedoke

[static holly]

They didn't change it before, why should they now do it where it's not meant to be balanced

Enjoy the ride and let's see what happens

[dark moon]

hopefully they change their mind and get away from damp games on 90 cause its a snooze fest

reroll factory at its finest 😄 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FOxfRvcNDxg

[molten hedge]

That’s dogshit I had someone kill me with 1 sec left in a cheap 🤣

[quaint cedar]

this pre patch is trash lol

[molten hedge]

I’m having funsies

What do you not like?

[spring bough]

March 17. Seasons coming soon

[kind jewel]

hey guys i was wondering for those who are pvp'ing as sub rogue, what 3 talents would you take for open world and for 2v2's?

[calm heath]

Is assassination shit right now?

[potent pivot]

Balancing kinda nonexistent rn cuz it’s prepatch

[potent pivot]

There’s a basic build in the pins

[calm heath]

Fair just kind of feels awful atm

[abstract stratus]

Anyone else having issues with the settings from fresh drs resetting constantly ?

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

sub talents up-to-date?

in pins

[potent pivot]

They’re ok but there’s a couple things that are swappable

[jaunty osprey]

4 set or 2 set? or does it make a diff

[potent pivot]

Lemme dm

Sec

[potent pivot]

I think 4 is worth trying

[jaunty osprey]

any little things

i need to know?

[potent pivot]

Many hastes

You can swap for supercharger/forced induction

I can’t get talent calc to work on mobile

You can also use shadowcraft/goremaws

[jaunty osprey]

haste vers?

[potent pivot]

Haste to 22-30% > vers > crit/mast

Like an actual mix of all seems rly good

Idr the exact breakpoints for haste without checking

The deepening shadows tooltip can be fucky so

Check what actually gives you more globals during dance

7-8 globals

[jaunty osprey]

okok

[potent pivot]

With 4 set it MIGHT be possible to get 2 techs per Blades

Which could be a decent double burst every Blades

That would require hella haste though

[jaunty osprey]

What are haste vers gems called

fuck

@potent pivot

too much?

[potent pivot]

ye get some crit

[exotic dove]

Anyone better blizz frames and plates not working anymore Blizzard UI plates only thing that works and Sarena

[jaunty osprey]

better?

[potent pivot]

ye

really close to what everyone else has been testing

that i've seen

[molten hedge]

[[go biggggggggggggg mast ftw

[potent pivot]

[abstract stratus]

I will say i swapped my crit pieces out for a bit more mastery and used nahjs build and i definitly like it a bit more than the ss focused build

still have a 7.4 sec dance too which feels NICE

[potent pivot]

things are a bit diff on beta

on live you can run essentially any stats/build and still just run people over because prepatch scaling is out of whack

[vocal surge]

Sub Rogue Rerollers when they think they stronk (they suck in reality and die to Outlaw Rogue)

https://tenor.com/view/mafia-boss-city-level-up-gif-26419484

[sharp sierra]

i see shadow step

i disarm

with all these new sub rogues thats enough to make them rage 😭

[vocal surge]

[sharp sierra]

plus 16 second blind is BALLER

[vocal surge]

TRuuuu

Lines up perfectly with their SD timer

[sharp sierra]

been running this

i swap the hook in arenas for blind

for a newbie to outlaw, its been fun

[sharp sierra]

you liking FB more?

[vocal surge]

Its stronger