pvp

[potent pivot]

This builder shit isn’t likely to last either

Jussayin

[balmy mirage]

prob not its such bad design / tuning

but rn its all builders

[true warren]

anyone played as sub against a frost mage already? i dont know why but i chased him like a dog even more than before. did mage get something new?

[balmy mirage]

full mast evis literally less dmg than rotten SS or goremaw

[balmy mirage]

your healer didnt dispel bc addon brain

prob sat more snares or roots

during dmg windows

ngl this is a hot take but longer dance duration means more lashe macabre procs which feels better than rupture did btw

[true warren]

yeah might be

i'm usually the first one to complain about no dispells but i'm very confused myself right now lol

[balmy mirage]

ive been sitting half of poly/fears/sleep durations before healers realize and press dispel, its been bad

[true warren]

what bugs me the most is no reliable way to tell when enemy pops certain CD's. like i can see paly wings or DH meta but how tf does trueshot look

[potent pivot]

?

Isn’t that just every different spell used during the dance

How does adding length make it proc more exactly

[grave basin]

You can dance goremaws into sectec into strike evis with 0% haste

[balmy mirage]

you’re missing half the buttons

[grave basin]

What 4 other buttons arent i pressing

Other than backstab

[balmy mirage]

cheap shot procs it, kidney procs it, long dance you can get your full dr + every damage buttons to proc lashe

idk

i am also not smart fyi

swallow the whole container of salt before reading

[restive vessel]

still running thistle tea or no

[grave basin]

Im obviously referring to post stun

Like in a kidney

How much does one danse stack hit for ?

[balmy mirage]

8-11ish

[potent pivot]

Supercharger/deeper/double vanish

[grave basin]

So kidney into blades dance goremaws sec tec into strike evis cheap and you still have 1 more second of dance

To recheap

And thats with z e r o haste

How is stacking haste gonna offset the mastery loss

[balmy mirage]

idk for you but ive had time to go blind etc the healer during long dance go

and 1 charge of cheap on healer 1 on dps after kidney

i might just be trash, too

[grave basin]

idk i could see the value of extending it to maybe get it to 7seconds

How much haste do you need for that

%

[grave basin]

I mean youre just choosing a more flatter dps curve than a burstier one by stacking haste

Its not right or wrong

Strike doing so much more than evis is prolly an easy tuning knob after first week of season

Then mastery gains way more value again

[balmy mirage]

like i said earlier it enables a brawler gameplay as well which feels good with no triple stun and high constant dmg

no frost dk like curve

is it good design, no

is it doing good, yes

hopefully it changes and finishers are worth pressing again at 90

[grave basin]

An unstoppable mass stunning brawler is gonna get nerfed into the ground so id hope it doesnt remain this way at 90 lol

[balmy mirage]

no i mean sub being a brawler is not great design, but this new cc dr kinda breaks the whole hit and run mass cc sub gameplay in a way, too

[grave basin]

I feel like thats more of a fact that dance has such a low cd so it doesnt really feel impactful

[balmy mirage]

yeah we’re just in a constant state of burst rn, feels like arms warrior pressure

[grave basin]

Feels like the nerf bat is dropping

[balmy mirage]

and with this new dr we have less incentive to reset and go for triple cross dr

not sure about nerf bat just retuning of diff knobs

evis needs a buff

rotten or SS / goremaw need a nerf

sectec is good

[grave basin]

The worse case scenario is ret pala in tww

Where builders and spenders did the same dam

Dogshit design

Final verdict barely did as much as a judgement which felt so weird

Like your damage profile is just full pad

[balmy mirage]

maybe im doing something wrong but my evis doing 18k with mast and SS doing 17+ with full haste

with lashe macabre hitting for 8-11 on top of each button

the danse macabre rework kinda nerfs big sectecs / evis in a sense too

if the damage ramped up or only worked on finishers maybe ?

[grave basin]

What about sec tec with full mast?

Im not at my pc so i cant test

[balmy mirage]

i forgot but that one hits hard

but thats it

evis is the issue

or rotten

or both

like sec tec is great as it is right now minus the gazillion bugs

[potent pivot]

i forgot to reply to this so maybe you already found it - but the in game settings do support this.

[hollow carbon]

I just found out that the base UI doesnt offer anymore to put resources like CPs on Enemy nameplates.. whyyyyy

[potent pivot]

i'm honestly surprised how many people have been bringing that up

thought i was one of the few that had them on plates these days

there are addons that let you put them wherever you want

a couple that still do plates like platynator

pretty sure BBP will add it back eventually as well

[vocal surge]

XD

[potent pivot]

level up newb

[stoic spruce]

Dude had all expac to hit lvl 80 💀

these fuckers put my mog on the shop

(I know its a bug but its funny to think otherwise)

[fervent smelt]

girl u right

evis garbage

phys portion did 12k

this is full mast btw

[jolly sierra]

i was leveling up another rog, we had A LOT of issues in exile reach, even with heirlooms

the scaling is bad af, comparable to leveling in wow classic ngl

[stoic spruce]

so youre saying they fixed leveling?

[jolly sierra]

finally they did

i got deleted in the dungeon there and we were killed in the end boss

adds w spell did like more than half dmg to overall hp

and those interruptable ones i say

[stoic spruce]

finally

[jolly sierra]

details is gone, right?

[stoic spruce]

yeah, its just a reskin of blizzards now

[jolly sierra]

ye the idk how tf will check if i am doing shit badly or not

[stoic spruce]

cant even check buff uptime

smh

[potent pivot]

gonna have to install WCL

[wanton breach]

Arenas log review inc

[potent pivot]

arenalogs shows a decent amount of stuff as well

[potent pivot]

this is something we should have been doing all along lets be real

[stoic spruce]

do the enemy nameplates not tell you stacks of buffs?

I relogged, its working now

[jolly sierra]

do we have a list of relevant addons we can use for midnight in pvp?

like gladius or gladiatorlosa or idk anything else could would help lol

[sharp sierra]

Man this outlaw shit fun as hell

[potent pivot]

sArena reloaded

thats basically it

[jolly sierra]

ohhh nice

is still alive

[potent pivot]

betterblizzplates/betterblizzframes

possibly Platynator until more addons are updated

uhhh

i think thats it ngl

[jolly sierra]

its fine

we dont have too much right now

[stoic spruce]

if two brawls overlap, the game doesnt know what to name you

[spring bough]

Arena Core

Its like Gladius layout. It’s pretty nice ngl. Customizable too

[outer sky]

This guy Wade. I cheesed a kingsbane kill on him in a low mmr lobby and won a round i really should have lost. He lost a decent amount of rating. That Kingsbane may have actually kept him from r1

[potent pivot]

you can do that with sArena reloaded no?

[spring bough]

Evil 😭

[potent pivot]

pretty sure

[spring bough]

Think so. Visually arena core looks a lot better

[potent pivot]

show

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[spring bough]

Feels modern compared to sArena

[potent pivot]

i gotta be honest that looks horrible to me

compared to the new sArena which looks a lot like gladius

but if that arena core has some customizability then maybe its ok

[outer sky]

Idk why we cant just use gladius

Its so weird and arbitrary

[jolly sierra]

ohhh nice

[gleaming sentinel]

Hate it all tbh. Idk feels weird

[outer sky]

I cant even bring myself to play. Ive tried and I dont know what's going on.

I feel so blind

Can't tell when major CDs are up

Kidneyd into IBF a few times and there was legit no way for me to see he had IBF up unless I inspected the million buffs under the portrait

And no DRs in nameplates is criminal

[potent pivot]

just get the new sArena

its the same thing

[potent pivot]

you can also fix that

[outer sky]

I did but it wasnt working for me. Maybe a bug thats sorted out now

[potent pivot]

go into all the new settings and edit mode customization

you can make the UI very similar to what we had before

just without a few addons that are no long allowed

[outer sky]

Can you make it functionally the same as the bigdebuffs addon?

And can I get DRs on nameplates? Thats honestly my biggest complaint

[potent pivot]

you can get some buffs to show on the target frame

with the big debuffs setting turned on

[outer sky]

Not nearly enough of them

[potent pivot]

DRs on nameplates i don't think so no

Platynator also has the bigdebuffs thing on the side of the nameplate iirc

[dark kernel]

Honest to God, I was a UI minimalist and in 30 minutes last night got my UI back

[potent pivot]

i also heard that Diminish is working on being updated supposedly

but no idea if that will include nameplate DRs

[stoic spruce]

man

unholy and outlaw are so fun

[outer sky]

How's sub feeling rn?

[spring bough]

Prob give it a week till all these addon issues get fixed lol

[outer sky]

I hope so. But also if were still using add-ons then wtf is even the point of all of this

The no DRs on nameplates though

Thats a big problem for me

[spring bough]

Cause blizz just does some not all 😂

[outer sky]

Like

Game breaking

I need nameplate DRs

[spring bough]

They don’t have enough AI bots to recreate all the addons natively 😂

[keen canopy]

how's the new DH spec in pvp i heard it sucks

[potent pivot]

????????

[spring bough]

Idk if they catch u in a CC u are dead

[outer sky]

Yeah its terrible dont even bother playing it

[spring bough]

They can also DC you like priest MC

[potent pivot]

fine afaik

[spring bough]

Bet that’ll never get fixed

[potent pivot]

weird but fine

[spring bough]

Priest MC has been DCing for 20 years? Yeah devourer bug never gonna get fixed lol

[keen canopy]

does collapsing star just 1 hit you or like what does the damage for them

[potent pivot]

barely anyone knows

[spring bough]

Haven’t even looked. Just a bunch of visuals and your health is gone

[potent pivot]

can't see proper breakdown on meters

[spring bough]

All you see is the VOID

[keen canopy]

nice

[spring bough]

Bunch of bullshit and boom you out

[outer sky]

Its actually spectacular how bad blizzard fucked things up

Even i didn't think it would be this bad

And I expected it to be very bad

[potent pivot]

nothing seems that bad

[outer sky]

Its egregious

[potent pivot]

?

[spring bough]

How lol

[outer sky]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/m-glad-pvper-take-on-prepatch/2233749

I agree with this guy

[potent pivot]

i get that the UI/addon changes might be shellshocking and you can't have your DRs on nameplates

but that isn't the end of the world

everything else is just regular prepatch shit

[outer sky]

The native bigdebuffs isnt showing half of what it should be showing

And the nameplate DR thing is huge for me

[potent pivot]

brother that guy is bitching about gladius VS sArena

thats an addon issue not a blizzard issue lol

gladius hasn't been updated

[gleaming sentinel]

I can’t even tell who’s a team mate and who’s an enemy in a bg

[outer sky]

Nah only at the start

[potent pivot]

you're kind of in the minority on that

[outer sky]

Yeah I haven't tried any BGs but ive heard that from other people

[potent pivot]

thats barely been a thing even from addons

[gleaming sentinel]

I used the old default name plates just fine. Maybe in need to turn off class colors or something

And outlaw feels so squishy

[outer sky]

I also think they fucked up not letting us see friendly CDs

In shuffle its terrible

[potent pivot]

have you tried any of the nameplate addons?

[outer sky]

Idk when my teammate has CDs so I cant set up for him

[potent pivot]

or turning off friendly name plates

[outer sky]

Also who green lighted this xmog change

[spring bough]

I had to turn off friendly nameplates lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I did that too, still feels weird. I jsut want the old blue names and red names back please

[spring bough]

We will get there lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ll look into them

[spring bough]

Still 30+ days till launch

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m bumming pretty hard though. Outlaw feels fun to play but I just kinda die

[outer sky]

Its these little QOL UI customizations that we all have specific preferences for that the add-ons are needed for.

[potent pivot]

you can configure how friendly/enemy plates look with betterblizzplates

and i'd assume Platynator has function for that as well

[spring bough]

Just need them to update it lol

[potent pivot]

it works for the most part

[spring bough]

Platy doesn’t seem to differ friendly / enemy. Might be a setting I’m gonna play with it more

[potent pivot]

teddyp was using it last night fine

[grave basin]

ok so im finally starting to queue skirms and shit

[outer sky]

Also one of my weakauras is still working. I cant access the weakauras page anymore to get rid of it so I hope I dont get banned for it

[grave basin]

and game feels so weird

[spring bough]

I didn’t swap back and try it last night they probably updated it since Tuesday

[gleaming sentinel]

We’ll see how it goes over the next few weeks, but maybe i finally move on. I’ve played enough. I’m not gonna get rank 1 or anything so it’s just getting the same goals over and over

[spring bough]

Casualty no 1 for weak aura TOS

[potent pivot]

can probably just delete the weakauras in Curse or in your files

[grave basin]

my last skirm had kalvish on ddh.....

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

what we talking about

NA just went down

[spring bough]

Did he mop u

[grave basin]

he was on my team

[potent pivot]

so

[grave basin]

game just damped till servers went down

[potent pivot]

did he mop u

[grave basin]

nah game didnt end

it's also so hard to see what's happening

i have to play with a freaking magnifying glass

im just blind with all these explosions and shit

[potent pivot]

i think betterblizzframes is going to be insane

[grave basin]

lowkey specs that just W key and gas pedal really benefit

[spring bough]

How so

[potent pivot]

shits too good for seeing buffs

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw is that now but we just die

lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I need that

[dark kernel]

What gives you the name plate coil icon

[grave basin]

i meant like windwalker/fury warrior/dh

[dark kernel]

That's the only thing I'm missing

Not the name plate that's not the right word, just the character Avatar icon

[grave basin]

minicc has been really good so far

but it doesnt do that

[potent pivot]

playerframe

is what those are called

[dark kernel]

Thank you that's the one thing I'm missing

[potent pivot]

nono

[grave basin]

lmao

[potent pivot]

its not the addon lol

[dark kernel]

Oh s*** I see what you mean

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

target frame

[dark kernel]

Yeah I just understood what you meant

[potent pivot]

player frame

etc

did u enable the big debuff setting in game

[dark kernel]

Yeah I did it works for nameplate though but it didn't have that

[grave basin]

is bbp still super bugged?

[potent pivot]

i don't think so?

[grave basin]

it barely worked yesterday

[potent pivot]

its missing a couple functions compared to beta rn

[grave basin]

ok im gonna try it again

cause not having stuns on player frame is killing me

or w/e cc

[potent pivot]

thats not what puts them on player frame like that

[grave basin]

then what does

[potent pivot]

thats the old bigdebuffs

in the ss

[grave basin]

omg

i just got edged

[potent pivot]

u have to use the big debuffs setting in game

for that

[grave basin]

but can you do thatRIGHT NOW

[potent pivot]

isn't perfect atm

[potent pivot]

yes but idk what all it shows

its a base game setting

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m gonna sub to whaaz and get his ui

I cba doing all this shit

lol

[potent pivot]

bruh

[grave basin]

im gonna try again when

[potent pivot]

you don't even have to do anything

[grave basin]

servers come up

[potent pivot]

i can get you an sArena profile

[gleaming sentinel]

Messing with all this crap makes me wanna die

[potent pivot]

people are still making new betterblizzplates/frames profiles atm

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I’ll log in and download all the stuff when someone figures it out

[potent pivot]

there's multiple ppl who give it out free

[gleaming sentinel]

Catch up on shows

[potent pivot]

don't pay

[grave basin]

if youre really desperate

like omega cba

just use your twitch prime on any streamer like aeghis and join his discord

and download his presets

[gleaming sentinel]

I wouldn’t say desperate, I just really have zero interest in tinkering with ui, I’ve never liked it

[grave basin]

or trille eventually has a bpp setting only for his subs

[gleaming sentinel]

Like just let me play

[grave basin]

do NOT pay

[potent pivot]

do NOT play

[grave basin]

use your twitch prime and get a profile

[grave basin]

this is an option too

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

I think i gave it to foxy recently, becuase I love his shuffle r1 push streams lol

[potent pivot]

prepatch pvp is always fucking miserable regardless

boot up a devdh or jus chill

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m sure there will be some decent options for uis by the weekend it’s all good

[grave basin]

im sure some degen will have all this min maxed yea

and we can just copy his settings

[gleaming sentinel]

[grave basin]

where's nahj when you need him

[gleaming sentinel]

And I’m fine with paying someone like whaaz 6 bucks to figure out for me

I’ll share it here for the boys if I do

[potent pivot]

i updated the addon list in the pins

[grave basin]

GIMME

BEST BUILD FOR XYZ

he doesnt have optimised prepatch builds in pins

[potent pivot]

!!!!!!

[gleaming sentinel]

Prep killing spree adr feels good

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/imagine-derek-muller-veritasium-visualize-envision-gif-26337376

[gleaming sentinel]

Ok I’ll send you 6 bucks

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

Freakin whaaz is playing league nevermind

[dark kernel]

That's what I'm running man. I need to get some time in with outlaw

Sub is just feeling really ridiculous

I actually feel so powerful

[potent pivot]

maybe ill make a thread for UI imports soon

since we've had such a massive shift

[gleaming sentinel]

Kalvish dropped his ui

[potent pivot]

ya

[outer sky]

These are the people who blizzard is listening to.....

[gleaming sentinel]

Am I crazy? None of that is correct lol

[potent pivot]

they're ragebaiting

[outer sky]

Its correct if youre a sub rogue in pve

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh oh

[spring bough]

In bbp and bbf, there is usually a Kalvish profile you can preload. It’s really good

[grave basin]

ive tried kalvish's profile and im not a fan

his bars are way too small or too big

[potent pivot]

i made my own profile

[gleaming sentinel]

I still play double vanish for outlaw, that heal is pretty nice and good to cross cc at opportune moments

[potent pivot]

i started with Magnusz's profile as a base

and iterated on the buffs/debuffs/aesthetics etc

[grave basin]

multi legend hunter btw

i recognise him lol

sv/enhance player

[outer sky]

Yeah and if brains were dynamite he wouldnt have enough to blow his nose

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

[potent pivot]

idk how you can't see that its just bait

[outer sky]

Because im on the forums a lot and I see people say shit all the time as dumb or dumber than that with all the conviction of saint

[potent pivot]

ye some ppl are just dumb

[spring bough]

Why the F are hunters commenting on rogue. Fucking MMs

[potent pivot]

but

thats a pvper ragebaiting the op

lol

[spring bough]

And like Zicore said. I bet blizz reads that rage bait shit and takes it as literal feedback

AI can’t tell the difference

[outer sky]

The context was that he was saying how hunters lost so much shit but rogues didn't lose anything

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

on god that's not bait

[outer sky]

Yeah I really dont think it is

Because he started with rogues not losing anything

Then I mentioned the cheap shot CD

Then he commented that

[gleaming sentinel]

Everyone hates rogues

[potent pivot]

if he can play to elite

there's no way he thinks cheap is 6s

[outer sky]

It was extended to 6s this patch but only in pve

[potent pivot]

ik

[outer sky]

He probably missed the "does not apply to pvp" note

[spring bough]

Imagine if it was 6s in pvp

I can hear the crying now

[outer sky]

I remember when kidney was 7s

[spring bough]

Wasn’t kidney like 9 seconds in one expansion in pvp

[outer sky]

Not one i played

[potent pivot]

like classic or somethin?

[spring bough]

I thought around WOD or legion there was something that was giving kidney omega time

[outer sky]

See

People are so clueless their takes get mistaken for rage bait

[potent pivot]

Midnight Builds

Assassination:

Fatebound: (preferred)
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzsMmNzAAAAAAY2mxsNDAAAAAollxMYmxYmZmxwMzwMzMzMmZMmZGGYgFYGjGzCIbDYbG2AmZGMA
Deathstalker:
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMbmBAAAAAwsNjZbGAAAAAQLLjZwMjxMzMjhZGMzMzMjZGDzMMYzsNwAWC2GmADLzYZbmBYwA

Outlaw:

Fatebound:
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZ2mBjZYmtZmZMjxssYmZmtptBbzAAAAAAmllxMYmZmZMzMGAAAAGGYgNYGjGzGgtJswAgZmxwA
Trickster:
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZ2mBjZYmtZmZmZMmtFjZmtptBbzAAAAAAssMmBzMmZMzMGAAAAzYGAGzihhMwsxCtwGDwMDmBD

Subtlety:

Trickster: (preferred)
CUQAphyM11FofNMFa1K3vFEDUCgZ2mBAAAAAmtZmZZiZZbmxMjZgZmZmlxsNmZmllhBzMGwMGAAAAGmBwYWMMwAzmWoFbMzAmZwMzA
Deathstalker:
CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZ2mBAAAAAmtZmZZiZZbmxMjZgZmZmlxsNmZmlthBzMGwMGAAAAGmhNzyADYBsNMhMLMzwMDwMzA

-# Deathstalker has been changed as of 12.0.5 to have an extra ability (Mark for Death) to swap your Marked target. Currently unknown if this fixes any of the immunity bugs that were affecting Deathstalker pre 12.0.5.

-# Updated 04/21/26

[spring bough]

Damn 🪦 outlaw

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

[potent pivot]

anyone know if sweepyboop ever said they were gonna update their addon for midnight

[grave basin]

na up

jk

[outer sky]

Why are servers down on a random thursday

[gleaming sentinel]

Open beta test

[outer sky]

Ngl I legit can't play any version if this game without nameplate DRs

Its beyond miserable

[fathom moss]

I’ve been playing on a janked default UI for the past year

Ive only played a few weeks the past year though lmao

[grave basin]

question, how do i get rid of the combo points

from personal resource display

[dark kernel]

The only thing I cannot get working is any DR timer

I try to just use Dance and Kidney CDs as references

[spring bough]

By disabling PRD

[grave basin]

but i want prd...

[spring bough]

Ew

[grave basin]

just have cp on target not there

[spring bough]

Just use sensei and put it above yr action bar lol

[grave basin]

got it

[potent pivot]

sArena reloaded mane

[dark kernel]

Oh I do have that...I didn't get a lot of time to play yesterday

It's funny because I have that add-on installed

[potent pivot]

The reloaded one?

It should look very similar to gladius

[dark kernel]

I do have the reloaded but I didn't even check my add-ons if they were working

I was so focused on getting name plate stuns and stuff

I only played like 2 skirms lol

[worthy lark]

for prepatch fun, is sub haste/vers or remains vers/mastery

[dark kernel]

Because of how many stats we can get you can honestly kind of do a mix of all three. I have 30% haste 30% verse and 85% mastery

[worthy lark]

i see

and what about the pin saying not to play DS, in raid ts giga dam

its*

[dark kernel]

Deathstalker is bugged on live

It's fixed on beta

[worthy lark]

whats bugged? cuz in raid everyone played it

[dark kernel]

The marked target cannot be changed unless it dies, so if the fight has Target switching your fucked. It's also just underperforming to trickster from tuning

[keen canopy]

well i just had voidsurge do my entire healthbar in an instant so part of me is thinking maybe thats what does devourer dh damage

[restive vessel]

So are we re rolling unholy dk or what

[sharp sierra]

They are the new MM

[potent pivot]

It’s not fixed on beta

I think you mentioned the wrong issue entirely too

[potent pivot]

If someone clears your mark you can never reapply it. The hero tree is dead

[worthy lark]

unfort

[restive vessel]

Are you talking sub rogue

[potent pivot]

And assa yes

Deathstalker in general

[restive vessel]

Isn’t murlok updated by now?

[potent pivot]

Why would that matter

Murlok is borderline useless until like 3-4 weeks into a season

[spring bough]

MM been trash so far for every MM I’ve met in arena

[restive vessel]

I didn’t know that

[restive vessel]

So where do you check then sub talents + gear atm

[potent pivot]

Ye first few weeks every season is just people testing different stuff and the players murlok actually shows varies widely based on who happens to be queuing that spec that early in the season etc

[potent pivot]

You don’t, it’s prepatch

Just get 22-30% haste, 30%+ vers, the rest into crit/mastery

That’s a basic guideline

There’s a build in the pins

But this isn’t really a time to take the game very seriously, just have fun and try different things tbh

Some specs are overtuned, some are undertuned, some are bugged to shit. There’s no rating to worry about, etc

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

I have not had a chance to really look into outlaw myself yet at all

Will try after work

[abstract stratus]

Has everyone moved over to sarena

[potent pivot]

sArena Reloaded

[abstract stratus]

Gotcha gotcha

[acoustic junco]

I just need cooldown manager to not show abilities for me on CD. is that too much to ask for

[spring bough]

Take a look at Arc UI. Seen a lot of people talking about it. Might be customizable with it

[acoustic junco]

yep, arcui does seem to be better than tweak

[keen canopy]

yeah i played some dev dh
void scarred hero talent tree seems like thats the thing that one shots i did that my burst was crazy

Swapped to the other hero talent tree and the damage was like fine but not nearly as good

[acoustic junco]

arc ui is definitely weakauras lite

[keen canopy]

and collapsing star does do damage but probably better to not run it if the cast stops at all you lose the resource it uses so casting it kinda a herculean task

[sharp sierra]

Yeah I saw some of the people in dh discord saying they need buffs for damage for devour

Had to step back

It’s like watching a nuclear bomb get casted

[keen canopy]

yeah i mean void scarred just completely smoked whoever you touch when you enter void meta

the other hero talent tree
is there too i guess

[fathom moss]

Going for the re cheap & cheap just killing them is hilarious

[sharp sierra]

I couldn’t be bothered it’s way too braindead for me I’ll stick with my havoc alt

I wonder how it’ll be in arenas

[keen canopy]

my gear is uber bad too since i hit 80 like yesterday so fact it was still doing so much damage kinda crazy

if i had gear it might just actually 1 shot

[true warren]

are the sub rogues subterfuge or thistle tea playing right now?

i kinda f with subterfuge

[dark kernel]

I'm playing coldblood supercharger deeper strat

[knotty oxide]

i played sub+hypercharge

[lime oar]

so what’s the interaction with this? does cheap spawn shadow clones or something now

[dark kernel]

No tea or vanish

I can't find a reason to run 2x vanish right now other than survival, and tea maybe a play, but you have to sacrifice coldblooded, lethality, and deeper strat to get tea and I don't like that

[true warren]

cold blood look kinda poo idk

[dark kernel]

It is but you drop it and lethality and you still can't get tea or a second vanish

You can get vigor or subter

But subter does nothing at all

And having vigor is okay, but I'm running Shadow craft and goremaw (may change) so I don't have energy issues at all

When we have more talents this will change tho

[true warren]

annyone watched a pro streamer since pre patch and know what builds they use? murlok seems to be updated but i'm not sure since everyone is only at around 5% haste

[dark kernel]

Honest to God the only person I even saw play a little bit of sub so far was whaazz and he was playing some weird stuff. Kalvish just streamed all night but he was playing beta at 90 with full builds.

Nobody else notable has really messed around or put a lot of effort in yet

[gusty hedge]

nahj been out in duro testing sub/ showing other sub rogues his build/dead in a global

[true warren]

where can i find this?

[gusty hedge]

off stream sadly. open world tich shard

[true warren]

ah damn. i'm EU

[fathom moss]

Yes when you run the umbral edge talent

Im running a high crit/ Shadowstrike build for fun in pre patch. Does insane damage

I recommend to anyone searching for a meta build to just theory craft & have some fun with it

[hexed blaze]

does sub rogue have double bomb now in the trickster tree? talent; Cloud Cover

[fathom moss]

I don’t believe it functions the same as the pvp talent

[static holly]

No, doesn't work

[molten hedge]

I deff have energy issues at times

Also vanish is really good for roots and shadowstriking to someone

How much haste are you at out of pvp

[molten hedge]

It’s a fake bomb that you can bait trinkets with

It does work

But anyone can cast through it from the outside

[hexed blaze]

True now that you cant track enemy bomb this should be a great button for baiting cooldowns

[molten hedge]

Baker played a cheese comp with fdk sub and even at high ratings ppl would trinket it sometimes

If they fix Deathstalker ppl prob just go back to that instead of trickster

[true warren]

Does it work on targets that are in combat? I remember you receive an error message when using distract on someone in combat.

[hexed blaze]

it works

[molten hedge]

The PvP talent makes it useable anytime anywhere

Wait sorry

The PvP talent makes it mirage

That’s prob what you’re referring to

The fake bomb is a hero talent

Useable whenever wherever

[dark kernel]

I have 31% haste right now

[molten hedge]

Outside of PvP??

[dark kernel]

25% ish

[molten hedge]

I feel like that’s a lot lmao

But could be wrong

[spring bough]

I’ve got about the same amount but I tend to run more haste than most 😂

[molten hedge]

Isn’t 20% where it starts to DR

[dark kernel]

Yeah but right now I have 31% haste, 30% versatility, and 82% mastery in 16% crit

If you don't run that much haste, you do not get a full global of dance

[true warren]

I went back to full Vers+Mast. Figured 6 sec is enough and pressing buttons feels better with mastery

[dark kernel]

So you really are just picking between having 7 for 8 seconds of dance and you need like 8% haste to get that difference

[molten hedge]

I’m dumb wdym a full global of dance

[dark kernel]

Having 30% haste gives me exactly 8.1 seconds of Shadow dance

Meaning I have a full extra second for my spell window

If you run less then you'll have like 7.5 which is not a full spell window

[molten hedge]

Did the self proclaimed “Chef” get back to you on your build

[dark kernel]

No LMAO, but you jest but Val is one of the few rogues who have gotten rank one on specializations that nobody else can get it on

[molten hedge]

Val is really good

I just enjoy how he refers to himself in third person

[dark kernel]

Yeah he's a little on the spectrum but we like that

[molten hedge]

LOL

[dark kernel]

He usually plays turbo late at night, but I don't even know if you got on last night

And I was super burnt out so I went to bed early, I'll check back with him though

Kalvish already called me an idiot tho

But he's SOLELY playing beta with full build so

Nahj said it was good for what we have available

So mixed bag?

[molten hedge]

What about the haste? Idk if sacrificing that much mastery is worth one global of dance

[unborn compass]

anyone run into a group of surv hunters spamming their harpoon to DC you?

[keen canopy]

no

does that work

[leaden sand]

is sArena still broken or its blizzards DR or both or w.e.

[unborn compass]

yeah, just ran into a few of them spamming harpoon to dc you

got dc'd 4 times in a row lmao

[keen canopy]

first of all
how the hell does that work
second of all
thats funny
third of all
chances that blizzard fixes that any time soon or just condemns us to dc hell for a couple weeks

[static holly]

Api doesn't allow you anymore to track them

[dark kernel]

If you jump and get rooted right now it's causing DCs

I believe that's the issue

[keen canopy]

oh that would make sense

[static holly]

Happened when I tried to mount and simply hit jump

[static holly]

U can't track enemies CDs etc. But that's good... Back to classic

[keen canopy]

make sure i keep my finger off the spacebar i guess

[molten hedge]

Sarena works fine now

It’s goated. The reloaded version

And the guy that runs it and BBP/BBF is working like a mf hamster trying to fix everything Blizz has created problems for

You can’t use the DR thing to change the image with sarena Blizz stopped that. But Bicmex has a workaround you have to sub for

[static holly]

Lol

Pretty sure it's not that hard to code that

Api let's u track ur team I guess

[molten hedge]

I have no idea but he said sarena can’t do it

[static holly]

Hm... You cannot get use of realtime combat data anymore. Therefore no tracking

[spring bough]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/sadfriendlymarkers

@gleaming sentinel

Friendly arrows for arena

[gleaming sentinel]

“We’re deleting addons”

“lol but these are fine”

[spring bough]

This the first thing I’m DLing and setting up when I get home

[leaden sand]

just had a solo shuffle at 2400 where someone was perma dead at the start of each round
and all 6 rounds would auto end because the person was dead

this game is so shit lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

Like I said: I’m jsut not gonna play til this weekend, find some players ui and take it

[spring bough]

They musta taken the que as a ghost or something

[molten hedge]

I’m talking about a workaround to replace the shitty universal DRs Blizz has

[static holly]

It's possible via lua scripting. But I'm not interested and never was into addons

[molten hedge]

It involves setting up a folder with some images and one other thing I’m not too sure

These just make no sense for fear and incap lol

And concussive shot for stun isn’t intuitive. I know there’s a PvP talent to make it a stun but jfc

Like Fear, Sheep, and Cheap or Kidney shot would make so much more sense

[spring bough]

https://x.com/mvqdh/status/2014409045168279728?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw
@potent pivot sArena drama

Mvq (@Mvqdh)

Just an FYI, @sammers_wow has copy pasted the entire code-base of sArena Reloaded and claimed it as his own.

Every single PvPer uses the creator of sArena Reloadeds addons, namely BetterBlizzPlates, BetterBlizzFrames.

This kind of behavior discourages addon creators.

X · Jan 22, 2026, 6:45 PM

[static holly]

@molten hedge just guessing. Like I said I'm not into lua. I'm coding in c#
Just from seeing, it's because you have 3 types: fear, stun and incap

So I assume the script just runs locally and tracks certain skills and shows u the image /duration etc

[dark kernel]

I can't even get Blizzard DRs working at all, how are you guys? The option just doesn't work period

I know sArenas works rn apparently

[static holly]

Lol... Forking the code and claiming it's yours. He must be 6

But btw by forking the old CC watch code you could may rebuild your desired tracker

[true warren]

wsame for me. and yeah i use sArena. it's buggy sometimes and it sucks that you can'T change symbols for DR's for whatever reason but it works

[molten hedge]

Sarena reloaded is rly nice i like it. Just go into his disc and ask body is very helpful

https://discord.gg/pKJzBbTvm

[dark kernel]

Yeah bodify is the man

He's also an insane affliction lock

[static holly]

Working like intended. You are not supposed to change it

[true warren]

why is that?

[static holly]

Part of their restrictions for add-ons

[true warren]

i don't understand blizz' logic behind that tbf

[static holly]

By simplifying the entry-level you gain more subs, pretty simple

[true warren]

yeah but that's such a minor thing

[dark kernel]

It's pretty evident classic does well and that the love of the game is independent of complexity. We also haven't had a true pruning since WOD and it was kind of getting back to MoP levels of bloat.

One last thing, is the average age of WoW players is now 31ish

The game functionally must simplify and take strain off the players hands in the future or people will start dropping

This is for PvE larger than pvp as well, but PvE complexity has gotten so fucking stupid to the point I just flat out did not want to do it.

I never want to see a puzzle game in a boss encounter or in a dungeon ever again

[molten hedge]

How is it ok for dk to have a fkn sick set and dogs get this garbage

I would never mog that

Who is making these sets man

[dark kernel]

We got the hunter treatment

[wanton breach]

[static holly]

@molten hedge don't nail me on it but by adding the current version to the dimishing.toc you may get a solid base to track DRs from your team

https://github.com/wardz/Diminish

[true warren]

yeah no class has as bad mogs as hunters

[wanton breach]

mail got shafted very often

[molten hedge]

Sry for the confusion. I meant for tracking enemy DRs

[sharp sierra]

console

only reason

but also dying in 2 seconds from a healer pov was dreadful imo

[molten hedge]

It would be so hard to play wow on console. Everyone has 30-40 binds

Or more

[static holly]

No u can't

[wanton breach]

not anymore

[sharp sierra]

Single button rotation wasnt made for no reason

[molten hedge]

You can track enemy DRS

[molten hedge]

Every class I played besides sub rog has the same amount of binds

Or a couple less

[sharp sierra]

they would use rows

like FF14

and tera did

controllers have like 14 binds not including modifers

dont see how it would be an issue on most classes tbh

[true warren]

i once read that a blizz employee responded to the rumors saying that midnight pruning is the first step to consoles and he said something like "if we plan on making wow available on consoles why wouldn't we tell you"

[sharp sierra]

I think it would be a dookie experiance personally but its def possible

[true warren]

i mean there are many reasons why they wouldn't tell us but he made it seem like there are no plans

[molten hedge]

Ian also said something similar

Zorpo plays rog on a controller it’s possible lmao

[dark kernel]

Console playing for wow would honestly be such a pain in the ass I don't see that being a feasible thing from just the technical options available

People who REALLY want that, can already do it.

And I don't think it would really "open" wow to a new market

[static holly]

The socializing part is lacking as you can't interact with random that's easily

Sub wise it would totally make sense

[lime oar]

there are like 1 or 2 guys on youtube that played sub rogue at the 2100-2400 range using controller in DF and TWW

[sacred radish]

Is there no way to track dr outside arena? or i am stupid and i cant find it?

[leaden sand]

is it me or does ass feel TERRIBLE in arenas

[potent pivot]

It’s prepatch, tuning doesn’t exist rn

[potent pivot]

That one might not exist yet

[sacred radish]

jesus christ...

How are you suposed to play a cc heavy spec without tracking dr?

[molten hedge]

You can lol

[leaden sand]

but it isnt me right? like i just feel like i do NO damge lol

[molten hedge]

I didn’t see the outside of arena part. Haven’t tried doing that

[molten hedge]

It’s bad for sure. No apex talents or 2 set

[abstract flume]

anyone have a link to some good sub builds?

whhops

nm

im good im good

[leaden sand]

okay cause im straight going 1-5/0-6 in solo shuffel and my damage feels AWFUL like 1/3 of my teammates

[potent pivot]

Pins

[sacred radish]

ive been looking ingame options to see the drs outside arena and either im an idiot and cant find it or it doesnt exist

[potent pivot]

Did you try the build in the pins? But again it’s prepatch

[leaden sand]

yep

[potent pivot]

Lot of factors go into things being unbalanced atm

[abstract flume]

you all liking sub the most?

[potent pivot]

As far as what

[abstract flume]

just generally in pvp, dmg output and whatnot

[potent pivot]

The gameplay is more boring, but the damage is fine atm

Idk why everyone worries about dmg so much in prepatch every expansion

[true warren]

don't worry about damage output now. every spec is tuned for 90 with apex talents.

as far as playstyle goes, it feels a lot slower and a bit boring right now to be fair even tho i don't know why. Symbols was macroed into dance anyway and rupture was only applies every 30 seconds or so

[potent pivot]

You’re not trying to play the same playstyle as TWW assa are you?

[leaden sand]

i pop shiv - mark - trinket/kb and i am just doing NO dmg

[potent pivot]

Shiv does nothing now brother

[leaden sand]

hemo toxin?

[potent pivot]

It’s not a dps cd anymore

You have wound poison

[leaden sand]

we dont use hemotoxin shiv?

[potent pivot]

It’s a dead global

[leaden sand]

..

[potent pivot]

It does no damage and doesn’t buff your abilities anymore

Like doing it a fair amount before your burst is fine

[leaden sand]

Give me a TLDR -
i garrote rupture and just spam even?

[potent pivot]

But you want as much energy as possible for stuns/burst saved up too

[potent pivot]

Basically but don’t spam

Try to upkeep envenom buff if you can

With the apex talents we will want to actually let envenom buff fall off periodically

[molten hedge]

For the energy

[potent pivot]

Because of the apex talent

Assa is going to be way slower

As long as they keep tuning the ST damage up it will be fine

[potent pivot]

Symbols macroing was technically not good

[sacred radish]

To be fair, the pacing in general is fairly slower across the whole game

atm at least, idk how it will be at max lvl

[dark kernel]

It feels and looks like on beta.....really similar to MoP

It is either slow damp, or insane burst

Sometimes both

But it seems very hard for most classes except overturned ones to 100% you in CC

[potent pivot]

Honestly we probably do when season starts, but if you want my advice for RIGHT NOW, try running dfa or another dps pvp talent

Just try different things n have fun

[molten hedge]

Can run the @outer sky special system shock

Bigggg dam (in Crusader voice)

[potent pivot]

In what context are you even asking about btw

BGs? World pvp?

[odd yew]

ig we'll never know

[potent pivot]

Whatever happened to that guy that said getting rid of addons would be good boys

He’s been MIA

[grave basin]

Whats crazier

Is i just replaced all my addons with addons

So nothing changed other than now i have to jump through hoops to have an objectively worse experience

[potent pivot]

YEP

I remember telling that guy for hours

[hazy monolith]

coming from assa in tww with full mastery, how much haste do I need for sub?

[potent pivot]

Either blizzard would replace the addons or we would

[potent pivot]

22-30%

[grave basin]

Trusting blizzard in the big 26

[outer sky]

We're not doing enough damage right now for system shock to matter. When envenom was doing 25% of someone's health pool, an extra 10-15% envenom damage via system shock was meaningful in a burst window

But now

Its just 10-15% of nothing

[strange trellis]

prepatch assa feels incredibly weak. Hopefully that balances out in Midnight but Sub doesnt feel too bad atm. Just feels like there should be another button somewhere though lol

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s prepatch, it’ll be fine. Are you running goremaw

[strange trellis]

no I was trying someone's build since I played assa all of TWW and it wasnt included

[outer sky]

Sub is the only spec that still feels like a rogue. You can kidney the healer and double stun your kill target, or kidney the healer and stun both dps. Having only 1 cheap shot per stealth window doesnt even feel like a rogue anymore. Its like a storm bolt but with a "only from stealth" condition. Terrible change

[strange trellis]

Stupid question Im sure but is Goremaw actually good? Its weaker than Shadowstrike and I dont feel energy starved on Sub at all compared to Assa

[potent pivot]

I’ve got a build in the pins, idr if it has goremaw but goremaw is also good atm

[strange trellis]

oh let me take a peak at this

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s an extra macabre and a builder

Atm builders seem to be doing good dmg compared to evis

Sec tech doing ok dmg tho

But subs stat prio is way different than before

Mastery is almost the worst stat rn

[grave basin]

Feelswierdman

If you didnt prefarm gear it does feel gimped

But then again its prepatch

[strange trellis]

lol Im sitting on 52% mastery

[grave basin]

And literally nothing matters

[strange trellis]

honestly though Im still 1v1 pretty decently

[potent pivot]

That’s fine

[molten hedge]

I was memeing 😂

[fathom moss]

I’ve been able to 1v3 with the crit build & double vanish

Im basically just hunting the new DH since they randomly 1 shot me at times & I get tilted

[strange trellis]

Has anyone else had difficulties spreading bleeds on Assa with the new Crimson Tempest?

[molten hedge]

It’s more single target now than rotting everyone down I think

[strange trellis]

The spec itself?

[waxen meteor]

the cs cd talent seems buggy isn’t it

I am not sure if it happens to everyone, but the cs no CS talent seems failing to me a lot of times

[potent pivot]

Don’t play CT

There’s no point in spreading bleeds rn really

[strange trellis]

aw, use to get a lot of collateral kills with Indiscriminate Carnage

[outer sky]

Idk i cant really even bring myself to play the game without DRs on nameplates

[potent pivot]

Assa is going to be way different than TWW/DF assa

[strange trellis]

Yea which is a huge disappointment. I came back after missing a few xpacs and thought Assa was amazing and fell in love with it again

[potent pivot]

Midnight assa is going to be like shadowlands assa

[strange trellis]

At least this version of Sub feels like a streamlined version of it's BC days

[potent pivot]

I think sub is gonna be a lot easier for people to get into now than before

While assa is probably going to be harder

[potent pivot]

It should be fine

Can you describe what you mean?

[waxen meteor]

Stealth, cs on target1, big 12 on cheap shot icon..

[potent pivot]

Dance triggers it

[waxen meteor]

Could be elementary school translation issue again

I read as every re-stealth, dance will allow a CD free cheap shot

[potent pivot]

Probably. It doesn’t trigger on regular restealth

Dance and vanish only iirc

[spring bough]

has any1 been able to get DRs on nameplate yet

[outer sky]

No 😢

[spring bough]

i have it on the arena frame i have

im just not used to looking there

finally got a giant CC button so i can see kidney duration on nameplates

[outer sky]

I dont understand how anyone can play without nameplate DRs. Im not going to put my arena frames in the middle of my screen and im certainly not going to be constantly looking at the edge of my monitor. ESPECIALLY now that they got rid of all the add-ons that let you know what's going on and I have to look at character models under a microscope to see what CDs are being used

[molten hedge]

It’s in the game brotha

Stock

[molten hedge]

I feel like most ppl don’t play with nameplate DRs

Oh nameplate

My bad LOL

Ya I guess not

I’m cooked

[spring bough]

yeah it dont work i guess blizz is broken. i disable ALL of my addons. go to blizz settings. click enable diminish tracking and i go stun something and no nameplate diminish tracking shows

[outer sky]

My PRD wasnt working yesterday

[molten hedge]

Yea all we can do is enable big debuffs

[molten hedge]

U need combo points on nameplates? Ik how to do that

[spring bough]

doesnt even show on the frames

[molten hedge]

It does with sarena reloaded

[fathom moss]

I just time it off my tech tbh

[outer sky]

No i need them above my action bars. I know how to do it too it just didnt work yesterday

[spring bough]

im talking like enemy player frame or enemy nameplate

i have my arena frames it works on there

just not on enemy frames or plates. stock or with addons on

guees its WIP

[molten hedge]

Oh ok I thought you meant enemy unit frames

[spring bough]

like my S arena unit frames it shows

but not my target frame

buggy i guess

[potent pivot]

???

Look over at arena frames like everyone else

[outer sky]

I just cant. Ive been trying since patch dropped and its not getting any easier

When I see a nameplate and theres no DR on it I look like spongebob and Patrick when they turn on the Orb of Confusion in Mermaid Man's lair

https://tenor.com/view/orb-of-confusion-spongebob-mermaidman-gif-8622712

[potent pivot]

Lool

You can get used to it man I promise

Just takes time

[outer sky]

I dont see why I have to get used to it

Just let me put the DRs where I want them

[potent pivot]

Just need to build up the eye muscle memory

[outer sky]

Who cares

[potent pivot]

Blizzard apparently

[jolly sierra]

dudes, i fkn get a full set of glaives in classic

BUT IN MY PALA REEEEEEEEEE

[spring bough]

anyone used Arc UI yet? how do i get the tracked buffs to only show when active

[outer sky]

Ummm....you wouldnt be trying to gain an unfair advantage now, would you? After all, you cant expect to actually see a significant buff or debuff applied to your target. Because an ultra casual player may not be able to see it. So now its fair.

[spring bough]

brother its a CDM addon lol

but w/e reason i cant hide my tracked buffs they are always visible even if not up

[outer sky]

Im memeing the logic behind this dumpster fire of a patch

[acoustic junco]

Turn saturate when active to 0

Or something like that. Not at my pc right now

[lime oar]

just count the seconds in ur head after u cheap, duhhhh

[spring bough]

i got it workin

[outer sky]

If only we had the last 15 years to figure out how to configure our add-ons to our liking

[potent pivot]

[last jasper]

they've added dr to arena frames?

[potent pivot]

Yes?

[last jasper]

damn, what a time to be alive. finally no addons

[last jasper]

in midnight?

[outer sky]

Its not no addons

Theres plenty of addons

[potent pivot]

…..yes…..?

[outer sky]

Theyre just shittier

[last jasper]

u are acting like midnight was released 3 years ago 😄

[lime oar]

nameplate dr is elite

[potent pivot]

They were on beta too afaik

[outer sky]

I guess I see it from blizzards perspective. Obviously if there were a button I could press to put DRs on nameplates then I would have an unfair advantage against newer players who may not click that button

[last jasper]

u are acting like blizz didn't put beta under the paywall

I bought epic tww, not going to repeat that mistake again 😄

[potent pivot]

I didn’t touch beta

[last jasper]

same or any type of content about midnight. So.. I mean, ppl were asking for arena drs for like ages

[last jasper]

like what?

[potent pivot]

Most addons still exist

There’s a new list of the ones you’d want for pvp in the pins, likely to add more as they are created

[last jasper]

I kinda like the new changes. Except removing resource from enemy nameplates. Idk who thought this is gonna be a good idea to remove them.

[outer sky]

Yes but if you stun somebody you certainly cannot see the next time you can stun them for a full duration anywhere on your screen because obviously that would be an unfair advantage over newer players who may not have the experience to think to put vital game winning information in an easily visible area for them

It all makes sense when you think about it ya know

Like how did I ever not see it

[potent pivot]

You can have that too

[last jasper]

I see ur pinned msg from 2024.

[potent pivot]

It’s edited man

[last jasper]

how? I tried betterblizzplates - nope. And it was removed from basic ui

[last jasper]

true 🙂

[potent pivot]

BBP should have it after it updates more functionality. Platynator has it right now.

[last jasper]

Wow, this is a gamechanger tbh

[potent pivot]

Most people will have basically the same exact UI as TWW in midnight

[outer sky]

I mean just this morning I was thinking about how unfair it was to new players that I was ever able to actually see when I applied a critical debuff to a target and even knew how long it would last. I mean a casual player would never know that of course I have to be in the dark entirely now for the game to be fair I mean come on

[potent pivot]

The only addons that are killed are all the Omni addons and WeakAuras

[last jasper]

I am that type of guy who was playing mostly with basic ui. With some tweaks from BBP and BBF

[outer sky]

Tweaks? Sounds like an unfair advantage to me

[potent pivot]

You’ll legit have the exact same UI then ye

[last jasper]

wdym? If it baked into basic arena frames?

[outer sky]

The new players wont have those addons. Theyre too much trouble to download and configure

Unfair

[potent pivot]

…..

You’re being extra rn

[strange trellis]

There were a few things Blizz didnt want players being able to track so they removed those. Just so happened a few of the really popular addons had those very things so now people are moving/updating addons that do not have the parts Blizzard didnt want. Way less of an addonpocalypse as people were making it out to be

[outer sky]

Bro do you realize i used to be able to actually see what abilities killed me in something called a death log? Good lord no wonder the game had such low participation like how could a new player ever possibly compete with that??

[potent pivot]

The expansion isn’t even out yet dude

[last jasper]

let me check that personal resource bar. Cuz I used to track my hp, some buffs etc with it. Plus CP, runes. If u can get it back with an addon, then we gucci

[outer sky]

We're all paying the same subscription fee we paid last month. The game needs to be reasonably playable or they need to eliminate or severely discount the sub cost until it is.

[last jasper]

isn't is what they are doing rn?

[outer sky]

They reduced the sub fee?

[last jasper]

make more reasonably playable

[outer sky]

No the balance is out of whack and none of the new UI features even work

And everyone is defending it saying "its pre patch"

[potent pivot]

The new resource/cd/buff tracker is pretty customizable it’s not terrible tbh

[outer sky]

Like yeah ok but theyre still charging the same fee

[last jasper]

You’re exaggerating

[potent pivot]

Heavily

[strange trellis]

I like the new trackers. I wish plates were a bit better by default though

[outer sky]

Idk i think anyone who bought into the whole "new players will try X content if they dont need this weakaura pack that takes 10 seconds to install" is just an idiot idk

[last jasper]

its basically a personal frame without portrait and buffs.

[spring bough]

RIP death log maybe blizzard will get it done by next xpack

[potent pivot]

Have you even tried to create a UI whatsoever

Most of them work just fine

[outer sky]

Literally yesterday my PRD was gone that was working the day before and nothing I did could get it back. The game is broken.

[last jasper]

well, we are in public beta test. no wonder

[potent pivot]

The resource display breaks like every patch

[last jasper]

its a pre patch after all

[potent pivot]

That doesn’t make the entire game broken

[last jasper]

^this

[outer sky]

Have you ever stopped to think about how unfair it is to new players if I can see how many combo points I have?

[potent pivot]

I’m the farthest thing from being a fan of blizzard and cancel my subscription and stop playing often. Once I’m done with each season, skipping final expac seasons, etc

But you’re being extra idk

It gets old after the tenth message that says the same thing

[outer sky]

Not for me

Well we will see very soon if it works

Maybe ill eat my words and we'll have a boom of new players

[last jasper]

Like it was fair before these changes

at least they can see it in basic ui

[outer sky]

I sincerely doubt these changes will make any difference though

[last jasper]

they mostly were made for pve content

[outer sky]

I mean in general.

[potent pivot]

Also if you really think they won’t keep iterating on these things as time goes on idk

Adding everything to base UI is fine

[last jasper]

in general, its a positive changes. imo

[outer sky]

Yes but it needs to be in a format comparable to the addons theyre replacing BEFORE they get rid of them

[strange trellis]

Except most things arent gone. And the ones that are is intentional

[last jasper]

like what?

[spring bough]

Blizz hasn’t thought about pvp in forever 😭

[outer sky]

A warrior cant even see the hamstring debuff

Its a meme

[spring bough]

My fave is hunters w pack leader can’t track howl so they can’t do the double stampede thingy

[outer sky]

Perhaps picking out icons 2 pixels in size and mentally counting down the duration of CDs is some form of skill expression but im not so sure its a form conducive to good gameplay in 2026

[potent pivot]

????

[outer sky]

Try it. Log on a warrior, queue a skirm, hamstring, and its like totally invisible

[last jasper]

downsides?

[potent pivot]

I don’t even have to do that to know it’s bs

[spring bough]

Not for me 😂

[outer sky]

I must be bugged then idk

[strange trellis]

I just got on my Warrior and I can track the hamstring debuff =/

[outer sky]

Where

Show a SS

[strange trellis]

under timers

[outer sky]

Its invisible on mine

[outer sky]

I dont have that

[strange trellis]

did you try turning it on?

[outer sky]

Yes LOL

[last jasper]

[outer sky]

Ive turned all this shit on and off a billion times

[last jasper]

its a part of the cooldown manager?

[potent pivot]

🧢

[strange trellis]

yes

[last jasper]

oh, than I know why it doesn't show for him 😄

[strange trellis]

I rather like their CD manager. I know on Beta there doesnt seem to be a way to track your implaccable stacks so its not perfect...

[outer sky]

It works for empowered garrote on my rogue

[potent pivot]

Platynator can also track hamstring on plates

BBP too

[outer sky]

What addons do i need? And are there profiles available for import?

BBP, BBF, what else?

I like as much as possible on nameplates

Not frames

[strange trellis]

maybe this? I saw this earleir but I like my betterblizzplates - https://wago.io/zaiOOdVa1

[gusty hedge]

Prot pally is so busted rn its not even funny

[outer sky]

Anyone got a bbf import string?

[spring bough]

The kalvish profile on its pretty good

[outer sky]

@potent pivot i kinda think FI is better than feathfoot. we usually dont need the whole 12s of sprint and the extra 30% is kinda meh anyway

what kinda gear are we running for sub?

[molten hedge]

im trying @dark kernel build its a lot of haste

it does feel pretty good

i just did 400k dmg in a 30 sec skirm

[potent pivot]

If that swap works then sure

Not at my pc atm

[molten hedge]

before i was full vers/mast

[potent pivot]

This is still a bit too mastery

[molten hedge]

oh fr? dang ok what stat should i get more of? maybe vers haste or haste/crit

[potent pivot]

Was that ss with pvp scaling

[molten hedge]

no thats out of pvp

[potent pivot]

Show in pvp

[molten hedge]

ok sec

my 5 year old wanted me to fly on my dragon LOL

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

"dad can u stop hitting the dummies and hit real people"

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[potent pivot]

Crit and a bit more vers

[molten hedge]

ty ty!

am i trying to get down to like 70% mast

[dark kernel]

That's about what I have

Looks good

[potent pivot]

You can go to even lower tbh

But it isn’t an exact science rn