pvp

[dark kernel]

BigDebuffs is ALLL I want

Also is kidney shot feeling like it's a 4-second stun nd not a five to anyone else

It was feeling kinda wonk

[hollow carbon]

There is a setting at Interface, at personal Bar section, to show resources on nameplates. Works with CPs, Essences etc

[karmic summit]

is tfd worth for pvp?

it says 10 sec for 2 sec dance

[magic creek]

anyone managed to track smoke bomb in the sub spec advanced cooldown settings?

It shows as a spell but it is not tracked when put under Utility or Essential cooldowns

[true warren]

yeah looks like it's 10 sec for 2 in pvp

with dance not being CDR'd by spending Cp anymore there might be some situations where we can actually hide 10 seconds but its probably not worth it

[grave basin]

bro?

i cant move this shit?

why is it all the way to the left

[hidden moth]

Welcome

To

“Weakauras at home”

We got housing over a working in game ui

GG

[knotty oxide]

gotta try it out, its gonna be my first time playing with double poison, do i just use wound and amplifying , or wound and deadly

[grave basin]

wait so what's the work around?

i just turn it off and that's it?

[hidden moth]

Uh

Idk tbh change edit mode stuff

[royal crag]

You can change it in edit mode, there's an option to turn on personal resource display in edit mode and then you can move it

[grave basin]

i mean yea i see it

but there's no way to resize it

so it's not obnoxiously big

[royal crag]

Yeah I dunno about that

[grave basin]

so like

you cant change debuff size only

you have to change both buffs and debuffs?

yea @spring bough im just gonna use platy

bbp is dead to me

add widget -> power

you can even adjust JUST the debuff

amazing

imagine if blizzard had competance

to mimic what some guy in his basement can do

[grave basin]

when i put shadowdance into the tracked bars

it works

but when i put it under tracked buffs it doesnt work

what?

[dark kernel]

What's that addon for the stun timer?

[grave basin]

platynator

[dark kernel]

I just want nameplate stun timer

[grave basin]

look at how big i made it kek

looks almost like pre nerfed addons

[dark kernel]

Ty sir

Ao

[grave basin]

question

how do you track shadowdance buff

[grave basin]

cause mine doesnt work

[dark kernel]

I have not figured that out yet

[grave basin]

under CDM

i put shadowdance under tracked buffs

[dark kernel]

However I did discover my new rotation perfectly completed a dance

[grave basin]

nothing pops up when i press it

[dark kernel]

I'm running 8 second dance

I have 20% haste

I'm still tweaking I had VERY little time to play

[restive vessel]

Is haste now a thing for sub?

[dark kernel]

Unfortunately

It feels okay. Our damage just feels lower on command

[restive vessel]

Sucks ngl

Go’s don’t feel rewarding at all with almost no dt on dance

[dark kernel]

Like people say 25% haste is the breakpoint. I will have 25% vers and 60% master with that

I find 8 second dance works

[grave basin]

idk feels super watered down

im scared to even log into my sv hunter

half my buttons are gonna be gone

[dark kernel]

Here's what I'm doing: Ss open - kidney -dance/blades - goremaw - SecTec - Ss - evis - cs - evis

And then one last SS

And that uses the whole dance

And goremaw opener keeps your energy high

[restive vessel]

Goremaw is now also a thing right

[dark kernel]

For the whole rotation

[grave basin]

goremaws is good yea

[dark kernel]

Yeah nahj pretty much said it's not great, but there's no point running anything else

It's mainly the energy component

[grave basin]

why does SUI not work mang

[restive vessel]

I honestly feel like removing rupture for lower downtime on dance wasn’t the best move

[fathom moss]

They removed rupture because they could never fix it bringing you out of stealth. My conspiracy

[restive vessel]

But! It is what it is, will get used to it in a week and forget what it was before kekw

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m afraid to log in

[dark moon]

whaazz is currently streaming sub atm if ppl want to watch and cannot play like me

people are dying in 2-3 seconds, kekw until release

[restive vessel]

Will tune in later, what’s his thoughts on it?

[fathom moss]

Instead of goremaw im running the rotten with higher crit. (Not meta, more of a meme build) juicing up Ss & it hits like a truck

[restive vessel]

So goremaw is literally a meta now? 🫨 dam

[dark moon]

if youre asking about whaazz, he said that its kinda funny that the highlight of the expansion is being able to mog daggers to swords

[fathom moss]

Who knows what meta is tbh but when people see nahj running it they assume so lmao

[restive vessel]

And furniture let us not forget…..

[dark moon]

its complete clown fiesta deluxe supreme in his 2.9k shuffle lobby

[dark moon]

i havent been to my house in 2 weeks 😄 dont carea bout that

[restive vessel]

Was in my nub 2k lobby this morning no one knew what to press

[restive vessel]

Same! Ngl, feel like so many are hyped around it, I just don’t find it appealing. Might download sims city as well

[dark moon]

tbh, everybody hated garrison in wod (with reason) but to me housing feels like garrison from ali express or temu, there arent quests you just build a nice place (which is cool for all the minecraft/sims lovers and im happy for them)

no gameplay tied to it = miss me with that shit

[jolly sierra]

my garrison is my home as i dont own midnight yet

[dark moon]

except for cool mogs cause thats the real endgame and we all know it

[jolly sierra]

and i love having AH, BANK and insta LFR qs for freeze my shuffle matches queues

[grave basin]

So does anyone have a personal resource display addon

Anyone give me anything this standard one is horseshit

[spring bough]

Yeah platy is looking like my nameplates addon for all of midnight

It’s pretty fire. Looks good. Customizable

[grave basin]

Its basically kui name plates

[spring bough]

Use nephUI or sensei

[grave basin]

Which i used before bbp

So im fine with it

[grave basin]

Which is better

[spring bough]

Neph is like an all in one. Changes blizz frames to rectangles and such. But the highlight is the Cooldown manager tweaks and the energy/combo bars that attach to the CDM and change size with it

Sensei is just combo points/energy bar and can kinda do the same

[restive vessel]

What race are you guys running now and for expac, is nelf still go to

[spring bough]

I was doing human outlaw for double dps trinkets

[grave basin]

so if i have platy i dont need neph right

[true warren]

zandalari sub for big bomboclaat eviscerates

[spring bough]

Neph is for frames and action bars and some other stuff. Check it out

It doesn’t do nameplates

[grave basin]

aah shit here we go

[spring bough]

More addons 😭

[grave basin]

where is my mog

[restive vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-christmas-happy-birthday-eden-basin-ido-bomboclat-bomboclat-gif-9138605067843489924

[grave basin]

i have to reset all my mogs on ALL MY TOONS?

[spring bough]

Yes

And then when u setup the outfits u gotta pay gold to mog to it but then its free to switch after

I think I spent 30k gold on unlocking 10 outfit slots and setting them up last night

[true warren]

since meld is still here i assume nelf will still be meta for every rogue spec

[spring bough]

No1 missing that CC 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

we digginng outlaw?

[stoic spruce]

Imma say it

I do not care they made grapple slower

[spring bough]

Was smacking the fuck outta people last night

Felt like one kidney with BTE chains could KO anyone

Hit a good interrupt on a healer if they live thru that and they dying

[gleaming sentinel]

rotation still feel pretty active?

[spring bough]

Yes

Very

[gleaming sentinel]

i am happy

[spring bough]

Even if BTE chains u gotta build after before sending next BTE

Energy felt good

[grave basin]

i dont see how this is a good change lol

breaks the flow

[spring bough]

Yeah but idk it still feels good

[ocean thunder]

So cheapshot only once every 2 mins.
No 2nd vanish (which translates into less garrotes with +50% dmg), plus less defensive options
No sudden demise / Crimson tempest.

Do we just focus one target and aim for double envenoms?
I have heard assa is kinda terrible so far

[spring bough]

It felt engaging

[dark kernel]

No bullshit....this is not sounding bad to me right now for sub

[spring bough]

Sub rogues were pumping

And moving faster than outlaw lol

Bout to try it later with 31% haste

[dark kernel]

Yeah I realized last night you cannot just send a 4 cp bte on proc, it does piss damage

[spring bough]

Swap my OH dag to MH and rock some sub w my outlaw stats

[dark kernel]

So if you proc you gotta weave in an ss to get back full

[spring bough]

Do not finish below 6cp ever

It’s a huge dps loss to finish at 5 CP

[dark kernel]

Yeah I saw that

Like it's comical

Ambush does piss damage too

8k crits

sinister is 5k crits

[fathom moss]

Im going to run the 60% haste outlaw auto attack lord build real fast

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[spring bough]

HO is so piss it’s not even funny

Tried it one lobby never again whole xpack

[dark kernel]

No joke, they literally need to double it's damage

[spring bough]

At 31% haste auto attacks are usually my top dmg

Or within top 3 overall

[fathom moss]

Its the funniest thing im going to mog my weapons to the hot poker

[ocean thunder]

Is this a bug? because they clearly changed it so that you can apply it with shadowstrike, if not alreayd exists

[dark kernel]

It is

[spring bough]

My swords are perditions now and my human finally has the full Vanessa vancleef dog 🔥

[fathom moss]

I have a deadwin vancleef mog i run sometimes

[dark kernel]

My daggers are swords lmfao

I realized...we can't change an outfit to use dif weps unless we completely make it a new outfit

That kind of is ass

[fathom moss]

Yeah it’s pissing me off

[grave basin]

guys

i have hidden tech

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/minicc

the arms race begins again?

in b4 unfair advantage

[fathom moss]

Jfc the lobbies with 2 unholy dks are abysmal. Every arena is just strathomle

[dark moon]

whazz just realized dk's magus pet does more damage than his sub eviscerate in arena

hahahahaha

[fathom moss]

I just saw that lmao

That’s insane

They should drastically decrease the health of the dk pets so you can easily cleave them down

[restive vessel]

Unholy broken yes

[dark moon]

its not broken its godly

tomorrow everybody and their mothers will be dk-ing in arena

gonna be so fun to watch people die in 2 seconds

[stoic spruce]

Btw

Its totally fine for unholy to be this way

[fathom moss]

Hero class working as intended

[stoic spruce]

Unholy and Outlaw should be exempt from nerfs

I'm not even joking

[dark moon]

nah if the prepatch is 1-2 weeks its fine, like 6 weeks this is horrible

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it'll get nerfed into oblivion as is tradition

When midnight drops

[dark moon]

they should start number tuning twice in this case

[stoic spruce]

No it's fine

Unholy should reign supreme all prepatch

[dark moon]

ok so i see what you are going at

so they can get nerfed on max level

fair enough

[stoic spruce]

Do I want them to?

No

But it's what happens

Oh wells

[dark moon]

haha whaazz dooming about dks https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz/clip/LightSlipperyPheasantMrDestructoid-xXZXVhm3cs1-G5z_

[grave basin]

yo i dig this nephui

looks SO much better

[spring bough]

More addons u say?

[grave basin]

totally worth nuking weak auras over

[spring bough]

I like how it centers the CDM and attaches the combo points/ energy resources to it

[grave basin]

also uh dk

is good

[spring bough]

And auto sizes those depending on the # of cooldowns on ur tracker

[spring bough]

There is a custom aura buff thing you can add and track with nephui too

[grave basin]

bicmex is big malding

[spring bough]

I was last night till I DLd platynator

[grave basin]

ok so

this is kinda playable now

i just need to redo my bars

[gleaming sentinel]

killing spree kinda slaps

[spring bough]

I hate hitting it tho cause if it misses it’s like 🤷‍♂️

Rather just pump sinister and pistol into BTE/dispatch with 2/2 dispatcher it’s doing good numbers

Feels like less rng can happen to you. Think KS around 3% and 2/2 dispatcher about the same

[gleaming sentinel]

adr and killing spree big boorst

slow grapple

why

lol

[dark kernel]

Kidney bomb Killing spree prep killing spree go for the fucking 70iq one shot

THAYS WHAT IM DOING

[lone jasper]

Is anybody happy with the new pre patch? 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

the ui gonna take a bit to get used to

and am i crazy, but my focus macros arent working

[dark kernel]

When did last night, it's just the UI and the difference in appearance of things I think tripping me up

Mine did

[lone jasper]

Sitting at pc, afraid to turn it on

[jolly sierra]

are you guys already practising without addons?

[fathom moss]

Auto attack outlaw is meta

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-going-on-play-football-running-gif-16729081

[dark kernel]

No need to track anything if your damage is all white

Genius

200iq the addon changes

[gleaming sentinel]

demos hp bar doesnt seem to go down

[dark kernel]

Demo is for sure UnH DK tier rn

[spring bough]

With addons but an ungodly amount of bugsack errors

[spring bough]

Demo HP doesn’t move. Also I feel like they have more teleports??

Had one last night that was moving 50+ yards across the map and it felt like it happened every 5-10 seconds

[lime oar]

yall lowk get me hyped to try outlaw

[jolly sierra]

does they still work? oof

[spring bough]

Most lol

[acoustic junco]

I mean, all you're going to do is auto attack every once in a while as outlaw. energy is trash

[gleaming sentinel]

I don’t feel any energy issues maybe I suck rofl

[dark kernel]

I dowhen not running tea

As sub I can ignore tea and it feels okay

Someone tell me when the AH works

I need a haste fiber for my cloak

[vocal surge]

Found a diabolical bug

From DevDH lol

[spring bough]

I’ve had absolutely 0 energy issues

And trucking people last night

[tardy rock]

does anyone have sub talents they can share plz?

[grave basin]

is there a way to turn friendly player nameplayes

into something else

like arrow signs or something

healer symbol for healer

[restive vessel]

DAE feel like combo points don't fill up as easily during dance as it was before

[sharp sierra]

Drop the build

I was trying cleefs without KS

This new outlaw needs some variety to find my groove lol

[grave basin]

i kinda fuck with this

im cooking

[lime oar]

is there a way to track dr’s?

[grave basin]

Sarena

Sarena reloaded btw

[gleaming sentinel]

I played for like 3 skirms and now I’m at work. Ask a better player lol

[grave basin]

make sure it;'s the 12.0 one

[analog tapir]

i cant se ccs

[lime oar]

kinda wish we had a nameplate one

[analog tapir]

like how long i got left on cheaps

[spring bough]

Looks good

@sharp sierra This is what Verm was running for trickster

[grave basin]

i have to do this for all my toons

super cba ngl

actually i can import and export my platy settings

gonna head to bed, will fuck around with this later

[sharp sierra]

I’ll try this lmao I feel like yours is hard as hell for me personally

I kept pressing gouge wondering why it wasn’t working 😭

[analog tapir]

is there a way to see the lengths on ur cc? meaning like if i cheap u how long it lasts

befroe we had bigdebuffs

but it aint there no more

[spring bough]

U can save platy profiles I think? Or export them?

[spring bough]

No gouge gaming for me just pure brawler vibes. On my FB you can go 1/2 summarily dispatched and put the extra point into KS too. But KS or 2/2 summarily dispatched about the same 3% dps

Could even put that point into KIR too and it’s about the same

[lone jasper]

It works only on npc

[spring bough]

You talking about the CC duration on the nameplate?

I wasn’t able to get it working in pvp matches last night gonna try again tonight for it

[spring bough]

Is that CC icon showing up in rated or skirms for u?

[lone jasper]

YeaH, about CC duration

[shy tendon]

Any sub build ?

[limpid creek]

Any big sub brain has a build for bg's?

[fathom moss]

Working on one for high damage shadow strikes, stacking crit & some haste, taking all talents that modify builder dmg, could be just a meme need to test further

[potent pivot]

There’s no real point in bleeding secondary targets

[potent pivot]

Wound and amp, double poison is too free to take now really

[lofty chasm]

sub talents?

[potent pivot]

#pvp message
look at what this guy had and what I suggested right after, and Trickster

[lofty chasm]

thanks a lot ❤️

[fickle marsh]

I’m sure someone has answered this already but stat focus now is haste verse?

[potent pivot]

It’s going to be a mix of all 4

Haste to a threshold > vers > crit/mast

[fickle marsh]

What’s the threshold? Just enough to get tech during dance?

[potent pivot]

Don’t know yet

Atm it seems better to focus on builder dmg which is why vers/crit are a bit better than before

We won’t have stats fully figured out until a few weeks into season

Once we have all our talent points and play live games etc

They could also just nerf builders if they do tuning and that’ll change it up a lot

[spring bough]

Gotta get that 25 lol

[dark kernel]

I don't think 25% is necessary for sub thh

[potent pivot]

is that what they're going for in pve?

[dark kernel]

I think that's a comfort point

[spring bough]

For outlaw for the CDR

[potent pivot]

it could be very different for pvp

[potent pivot]

buh

[spring bough]

Err the 0.8s global**

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

20% gives me 8 seconds of dance with no first dance talent which is a full sub rotation.

[potent pivot]

damn thats kinda shit ngl

ig the uptime is still going to be way higher than tww tho

[dark kernel]

Yeah but 25% haste I think gives 10 seconds of dance

Is that right?

If the auction house would work then I could access a cloak fiber

But I can't to test it

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm not 100% sure yet

[dark kernel]

I really, really think 20% haste will be the sweet spot on sub

[potent pivot]

but we have to keep in mind that we still need enough other stats to make our globals do dmg

[dark kernel]

I already had to lose a Ton of mastery

Like 35%

[potent pivot]

probably going to be around there ye

[potent pivot]

mastery lost a lot of value comparatively

[dark kernel]

BUT if you play the shadow clone damage and Rotten you do a lot more consistent damage

So I'm running a weapon master clone, rotten goremaw build and the energy also is very good while not running tea

[potent pivot]

hmm

[lofty chasm]

so do we know what is better in 2v2? assa or sub?

[dark kernel]

Hold on I'll link my sub build

[potent pivot]

its prepatch man

you're going to get stomped by devourers regardless lol

[lofty chasm]

good point

[potent pivot]

tuning is nonexistent, but atm sub

[dark kernel]

CUQA6i6ki8tqEZF+5XBKpc8wuCgZ2mBAAAAAmtxYZiZxMjZGzAzMzMLjZbMzMLLjZmZmZMgZMAAAAMDzYzsNjZbGGLMsMz20CtMbwAAA

I'm on my phone, but I'm confident that this is a serviceable build

Subtlety

[spring bough]

I’m trying sub later and my outlaw setup has 31% haste and I’m gonna use that

[potent pivot]

ill take a look rq

[spring bough]

Will see how long dance lasts at 30% haste in a game lol

[dark kernel]

The thing is you don't have a full Global from it to use I don't think

[potent pivot]

this looks decent at a glance ye

[dark kernel]

So that last second you're eviscerating

[spring bough]

I never played sub too much so ima have to learn a lil

[potent pivot]

sub haste is also hardcapped iirc

[true warren]

what's the best way to make honor to gold? vicious bloodstones are 200g on EU

[potent pivot]

it will be converted into gold on season start either way won't it?

[dark kernel]

Rotation: SS - kidney - dance/blades - goremaw - SecTec - SS - Evis - CS - Evis - SS evis

[true warren]

i know that cq will

[dark kernel]

Dance fades on the last evis

[potent pivot]

maybe this

also apparently you can buy the recipes with any excess

[true warren]

from when is this reply?

[potent pivot]

idk which is optimal conversion atm

[potent pivot]

like 5-6 days ago

you're going to have to do some math yourself to figure out whats best

bloodstones could drop more or not sell

so its likely easier to just buy something to vendor

[spring bough]

I remember when they were a few thousand gold…. Now 200g?? 😭

Can’t wait for early S1 to make a killing on them again

[potent pivot]

they're about to be useless

they never keep the same mats between expacs no?

[spring bough]

Yeah but I thought some people would still buy em to test out some pvp stuff didn’t think they’d drop that much

[potent pivot]

ye everyone spent their honor to sell them for gold if the price was good

[spring bough]

Nah but early season just dump honor into em and buy them back when the price drops

[true warren]

yeah so far i checked bloodstone, ring and mace and bloodstones are by far the most efficient with 0,086 gold per 1 honor. mace second 0,054 gold per 1 honor

[sharp sierra]

wish they would just let us buy all the gear we want

[potent pivot]

check the shields if you can

[spring bough]

Rings only 525 cost too

[potent pivot]

can change the vendor to view gear for all classes iirc

[true warren]

any way to make it non refunable without wearing it? i bought it on the rogue so i can't equip it

[true warren]

still worse than bloodstone or maces

[potent pivot]

sell it to a diff vendor?

like if you have a yak mount

[true warren]

everyone gives me honor back

[potent pivot]

[true warren]

ill check on my war in a sec

[potent pivot]

you will just have to hold it for a couple hrs for them to become non refundable ig?

if they're the best gold per honor

[dark kernel]

Yeah I sold my bloodstones at 4k like 2 months ago

Thank fucking god

[true warren]

yeah but im an impatient person

[dark kernel]

I only made like 40k at the time

[potent pivot]

just buy them all and play game for 2hr, ez

[true warren]

shield slightly better than mace with 0,057 gold per honor

so safe to say bloodstones are still the best

[potent pivot]

if you can sell em

refresh the AH a few times to see if they're selling

[true warren]

yeah true actually

[potent pivot]

my guess is that people are undercutting on them a lot, trying to sell their honor rn lol

[dark kernel]

I am very very very confident in this Sub build:

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgxyMAAAAAwsNGLTMLmZMzYGYmZmZZMLjZGLLjZMzMjBMjBAAAwMYGgxsZYgBmNtQL2wMAgZA

I think for now this is the best I can do, there are ways to modify it to focus more on Shadow strike damage utilizing trickster crit modifiera

[spring bough]

I’m stealing this build later lol

Human rogue double dps trinkets ready to rock

[dark kernel]

Rock on man let me know how it goes

[fathom moss]

They for sure will, the damage is quite ridiculous when running high crit

A cheapshot hitting for 35k is wild

[spring bough]

Wait what

It’s doing that much?????

@vocal surge chained like 9 BTEs last night and the overall was like 60-70k damage and you telling me one cheap shot doing HALF THAT?!?!?

[dark kernel]

I also realized running the vanish line of talents with how fast we get dance charges could make Sub INSANELY tank

Like we don't get targeted anyway

But the healing on dance with 20 second dance is insane

[potent pivot]

Yeah they will likely nerf builders and buff finishers a bit. Happens every time that builders do more than finishers.

[spring bough]

Cheap def getting a nerf if it’s balling on dmg like that 😂

[fathom moss]

Umbral edge gives you a 50% Ss as shadow damage when you cheap it hits really hard

[potent pivot]

Builder builds are just too toxic, there’s always a one shot set up etc

[dark kernel]

Right now I'm seeing a lot more consistent than that so far

[sharp sierra]

Im sure they will nerf it and let the devour keep oneshotting with two buttons 👍

[potent pivot]

?

[spring bough]

That and the fact devourer can DC u like priest MC can

[dark kernel]

Like the builder build hits hard but it's not like 1 giga one shot,

It's more PvE damage kind of

Trucking Shadow strike evis non stop for like 20% chunks

[potent pivot]

We aren’t max level homie

[dark kernel]

That's true but tbqh when they redid where new talent points are able to go I don't think it'll be THAT insane

I'm more curious after we see how many stats we will have

Because season 1 always hard to get heavy stats even late season

[potent pivot]

I’m willing to bet money that if there’s no tuning by expansion launch I can craft up a 1 or 2 stun one shot

It never fails

[fathom moss]

Cheap strike strike cheap strike ded

[dark kernel]

If it gets me a glad title I'll name my next kid after you

[potent pivot]

And yes this will be rough especially with haste tax

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

It's due at the end of Season 1 Midnight

[spring bough]

💯

Inc week 1 hot fix on day 5… blame trickz this time

“Subs dmg has been nerfed 33% in pvp”

[fathom moss]

They will nerf sub before unholy

Putting money on it

[spring bough]

Can’t nerf a hero class lol

[fathom moss]

Truth nuke

[spring bough]

But rogue? Everyone hates those guys

[fresh ermine]

Someone throw a build at me

[brave plume]

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[dark kernel]

I swear I will play demon Hunter blizzard

[fresh ermine]

wrong chat meant to ask the hunters lol

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-tears-cat-point-gun-crying-cat-gif-17741904

Put the nerfs away blizzard

Don't make me do it

[severe helm]

good

[spring bough]

Maybe outlaw will skate by this time

[severe helm]

outlaws just a flavorless melee with no cooldowns

it has no unique value in pvp

[spring bough]

It felt decent with prep in 2s last night

But time will tell midnight S1

[severe helm]

yeah just mechanically it brings nothing

prep resets adr, ks, and bte

and none of those do damage

[dark kernel]

Man ngl, it's definitely back to feeling like SL outlaw

But BTE doesn't not do damage that's for sure

It's just very warrior type play

You CC your kill Target your team has to cross the healer for you, you just blind when it's your turn and that's it

[potent pivot]

F u

[severe helm]

SL outlaw had short vanish still

Our vanish is now 300% longer CD

[dark kernel]

@spring bough were going to see if I cooked

[spring bough]

I’m bout to be outlaw gaming in a lil bit. More FB testing

Then sub a lil later

[dark kernel]

Single charge 45 second vs 2 charge 2 minute....yeah I see you

[exotic dove]

New Beta notes for Rogues

[spring bough]

Real??

[exotic dove]

It was on blue tracker

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2213807-1201-midnight-beta-test-development-notes/

Scroll down to todays date

[spring bough]

Why they nerfing aoe so much when we are capped. 😭

[exotic dove]

They nerfed Assa AOE too but buffed its single target

not sure its enough but we will see. Sub is just so much better than Assa on beta right now

Addons dont work anymore and Blizzard DR tracker only works on beta

[fathom moss]

No fixes for the laundry list of bugs lmao

[molten hedge]

Assa got 10% buff. With apex talents that should be a lot more dam

Sadly nothing even matters rn

[potent pivot]

No deathstalker change

Assa buffs are nice tho

[potent pivot]

They fixed the auto attack damage bug?

Or what is ravenholdts mint

I’m on mobile rn

[stoic spruce]

Ye it's fixed

[molten hedge]

I’ve only played pre patch not beta. But on pre patch assa feels horrrrrible haha

So it’s nice

[analog tapir]

have the fixed bigdebufs yet?

[fathom moss]

Im butthurt about no deathstalker fixes

[dark kernel]

There's a new one called micro CC

It's supposed to be just about similar, but Whaazz got a kind of big debuffs working with Blizz own UI stuff too

[analog tapir]

ok thanks

[molten hedge]

There’s a option in nameplate literally called “big debuffs” lmaoo

[exotic dove]

yeah sad about that

[potent pivot]

Never will

[sharp sierra]

😭😭😭

[spring bough]

nephui clears

[sharp sierra]

Was gonna try bbp

Neph the move?

[spring bough]

love these funny bugs

log in and my campfire setups are completely diff lol

platynator

[spring bough]

its all in one. changes up the blizz frames and action bars and such. customizable trackers u can add too

CC tracking and combo points working good w platynator right now

[sharp sierra]

W I’ll make sure to rip the code before whatever drama is going on gets it removed lmao

[exotic dove]

I will have to look into Platynator

[spring bough]

im doing solo shuffle

and just training healers

and they are all dying lol

get a good kidney follow with an interrupt on a heal and just pump BTEs and autos

and dispatch when BTE doesnt chain

[lofty chasm]

im new what sub you playin idk what BTE means tbh and want to try things out

[spring bough]

playing outlaw lol

BTE is between the eyes

[lofty chasm]

lol

kk ty

[spring bough]

overall breakdown so funny lol

this MM just left round 6.... RIP

3.4mil overall and UHDK did 3.6mil..... lol

[outer sky]

Oh did they hotfox it so we can queue shuffle now?

[spring bough]

yeah and blitz

[outer sky]

Thats good

[spring bough]

just had one round i was like 10% to 2% for over 10 seconds

recovered somehow and then smoked their healer lol

hit a kidney blasted it with BTE then an interrupt into healer dying lol

i miss the death details logs

[outer sky]

They'll need to walk some of this back

The response has been too overwhelmingly negative

[spring bough]

details still works it just doesnt have the death logs RIP

think im turning off blizz meters now

[marble oasis]

they won't walk it back because of details xD

[spring bough]

oh wait death logs on details works still

how did i not check this before lol

[marble oasis]

you checked in an instance?

[outer sky]

I mean everyone hates everything

[spring bough]

oh damn that was data i had saved in it prior to patch... RIP

[marble oasis]

They'll just dig their feet in. they've done too much engine work to get the damage meter giving server side info to can it because people are impatient.

[outer sky]

The damage meter is wrong though

Check it against the scoreboard after each match

Its not even close

[spring bough]

so details works it just doesnt update current until after i stop combat on a dummy

[marble oasis]

mine is updating live

[spring bough]

maybe one of my addons messing with it

[outer sky]

Didn't they specifically say they were getting rid of 3rd party damage meters?

[marble oasis]

yes but it's a details skin of the blizzard ui

[spring bough]

its pretty much just reskinning it

[marble oasis]

mine is fucked though

[spring bough]

i got it working so it updates current during combat

i had to swap to the blizz view

theres a new button u can flip between them

[marble oasis]

like mine still has the old layout i had previously but the skin etc is gone obviously but it's not really functioning great

only negative current with details it's not setup for the avoidable damage taken

[severe helm]

Details doesn't work

There is no combat log API

We are at the mercy of blizzard for what they choose to add to their damage meter

[spring bough]

It’s just a reskin

It’s buggy as all hell tho lol

[severe helm]

Yeah there's no way to get more functionality out of blizz damage meters

[grave basin]

Wow outlaw flat 15% damage buff

@spring bough

[spring bough]

yeah an some nice aoe nerf too

[potent pivot]

Were there any devourer nerfs btw

[spring bough]

Not sure just looked at rogue

[potent pivot]

lol they didn’t

[spring bough]

Looks like that’s a buff to me 😭

[potent pivot]

Looks like rogue and Druid are the only classes that got damage tuning really

[spring bough]

Best highlight of prepatch so far? Every MM I’ve played against is absolute garbage

[potent pivot]

Everything else is small or healing abilities

Like warrior demolish and unholy got some buffs/1 nerf

[spring bough]

Is MM looking not too good for midnight or was i just against FOTM MMs

[ocean thunder]

Trying to understand what does Assa bring now.
Can it CC better than sub? no
Can it burst better than sub? maybe with back to back evisc? probably not
Does it offer spread pressure? not really atm from what I read
Plus it's also affected much more by physical immunities
Not to mention that it's less durable - the least durable rogue spec and the least mobile most likely
We used to be able to play with 2 x vanish and apply cheapshots and silence - especially the chain silence was key, now we might even loose one vanish depending on spec

Might have to level an alt rogue just to have a sub rogue available

[tribal sedge]

i can't live like this anymore

[lime oar]

any other specs standing out besides DevDh and unholy?

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[spring bough]

Sin rogues becoming outlaws now?

[lime oar]

u guys think im kidding but im excited to single button assist with my uhdk

[ocean thunder]

please god no!

[sharp sierra]

im converted

had 5 bte chains and made MM fall over

still feel like im doing nothing half the time but this season i will refuse to swap

[spring bough]

It’s fun as hell lol

Dispatch chunks when BTE is down and autos just constantly blasting lol

[sharp sierra]

yeah i think im not used to autos

coming from sin

[spring bough]

What’s ur haste at at pvp ilvl

[sharp sierra]

i think 23%? i still have to redo my rings

[spring bough]

Inch that to 25% and it’ll feel even faster lol

0.8s global with adrenaline active then too

[sharp sierra]

Bet I’ll try that tomorrow, finishing up a factorio sesh tn lmao

[hazy monolith]

deepening shadows without any bonus is wasted right or is there some hidden stuff going on?

have 4% haste xd

[dark kernel]

Which one is deepening shadows? I'm just not at a computer right now

There are a few choices where there's just nothing better in a few spots

[potent pivot]

Get more

[potent pivot]

Dance duration for haste

[fervent smelt]

what stats are you running

more haste than s3?

[spring bough]

Pretty much the same setup I was doing in S3 but I’ve always went a little haste heavy. I did change one of my amulets to crit/verse tho lol. Think like 19 crit 31 haste and rest is verse with a lil mastery

[fervent smelt]

gonna try it! sub one shots are great atm though

[grave basin]

Enjoy it while it lasts

[spring bough]

Seems like u could do the same stats for sub n outlaw right now

[grave basin]

Youre playing haste mastery as outlaw?

[spring bough]

Isn’t sub using more crit and haste now?

[marble oasis]

Depends how it plays out sub has really high prio on haste until a certain percentage. at least in pve for the CD reduction how that'll look in pvp is not really known

[gleaming sentinel]

here's my fried build for now

[marble oasis]

This makes me feel sick for sub

[dark kernel]

I have 22% haste atn

[dark kernel]

35% looks way too high for PVP

I don't know if there's some PVE rationale behind it but I can't see a justification for it q

[marble oasis]

oh yeh this is pve stats but it gives an indication on throughput with low haste for sub

[marble oasis]

It reduces CD of Secret tech

dance sorry not tech

[dark kernel]

I know what interactions it has. And truthfully right now we're playing with kind of half baked stuff

It actually does both

[marble oasis]

i thought it was buy brain fart.
i'll never learn being up at 2am...

but yeh i can see that being a pretty big decider especially considering the free off CD Cheap dance gives

guess we'll find out though.
maybe raw damage from stats ends up being higher than we think by time season starts

[potent pivot]

That’s too much haste

But ye

[spring bough]

🤷‍♂️

[potent pivot]

You gotta make your abilities do damage otherwise the dance duration is kinda null

[potent pivot]

? It doesn’t

Reduces the CD of Tech. Increases the duration of Dance.

[grave basin]

Is subterfuge worth ?

[gleaming sentinel]

i like the heal, and a clutch vanish cheap seems good

having only 1 vanish feels bad thats for sure

[fathom moss]

56% crit 16% haste gives me a 22 second tech & extra 1.5 of dance. Im doubling the damage of full mastery sub rogues

[potent pivot]

Have u tried more vers

Vers is more reliable builder dmg innit

[spring bough]

I think verse gonna have a lot less stat weight in midnight than it has

[potent pivot]

Wdym

We’re going to have less stats entirely in midnight

[vocal surge]

Least durable rogue spec?

My boi, Outlaw got less damage reduction than Assa

Your Preemptive Maneuverability is 40%

ours is still 15%

[fathom moss]

Not yet i probably will tomorrow, having too much fun with this. I think once things are tuned vers will be king but as of right now i suspect the crit/builder dmg does more

[spring bough]

At least for pve they aren’t stacking it like crazy for outlaw curious how that’ll translate into pvp

[potent pivot]

We were talking about sub

For sub especially pve and pvp are going to be quite different stat wise

Because any extra globals in dance that don’t fit into your stun lock are going to be much less worth stacking more haste for

[fathom moss]

Very true there will be a sweet spot

[scarlet nest]

new to rogue, question re: combo points - is there benefit to overclocking points from say 5 to 7 in order to get full value out of finishers? like taking the extra gcd on a spender and overusing it for more dam on BTE or dispatch - the diff in the numbers would say no unless it's like a 2-5/6 jump but with the stat squish I figured it's better to ask

would it also vary by spec? plan on playing both outlaw and sub

[waxen meteor]

Damn UI is so uncomfortable

[potent pivot]

The general rule for law/sub is max -1

So finish on 6 or higher

This could change as we learn more

[spring bough]

Can’t wait for it to be fixed lol

[potent pivot]

It’s prepatch rn so more changes and tuning are expected

[scarlet nest]

gotcha, thank ya kindly - v helpful to learn with a baseline rule like that. I'll adjust later with tuning lol

[potent pivot]

Ye just make sure you check wowhead or here after the new season actually starts

First month or so of the season is when things get ironed out and tested etc

[waxen meteor]

I neeeeeeeed bigdeubfffffffffff

and how can't this be moved?

[potent pivot]

There’s a setting for it in the base settings

[spring bough]

Welcome to prepatch

[dark kernel]

There's a new add-on called micro CC

[waxen meteor]

I enalbed it from setting but it's not movable

[dark kernel]

And there is a big debuff in game and you can modify it with edit mode

[spring bough]

Make sure u enable DRs in blizz options too

[potent pivot]

I’m talking about big debuffs

[gleaming sentinel]

First impressions: ui sucks. New outlaw feels good but I like the previous version better.

[ocean thunder]

i havent logged in, but wowhead calculator shows pvp talent preemptive manuever being the same on all 3 specs? plus restless blades lower rogue CDs like vanish/evasion/clos (for outlaw)?

[vocal surge]

On Beta, its also 15%

[waxen meteor]

Guide me pls!

[vocal surge]

Also we dont have Float like a Butterfly anymore

that was removed when prepatch dropped

Current restless blades

If your curious what Float like a Butterfly does, its this:

Also CloS was never on Float

[ocean thunder]

Yeah my knowledge seems totally outdated - i know about float, didnt know it was gone. Still, preemtive on wowhead looks same on all specs.
Do we only have one shadowstep?
I haven't played outlaw - I kinda avoided it - so yeah i didnt know exactly which abilities were affected - i was pretty sure about vanish and evasion but it looks i was wrong about vanish too

[vocal surge]

So ye, technically Outlaw's the least tanky of all the rogue specs

[dark kernel]

im just getting on hold on

[waxen meteor]

there's no rupture for sub anymore?

[dark kernel]

no

[ocean thunder]

but do we all have one stack of shadowstep / hook? with outlaw having CDR on it and sub having 20% less CD?

[potent pivot]

Can’t you search big debuffs in the settings

[waxen meteor]

problem is not on english client lol

[potent pivot]

Isn’t there a talent for 2 charges of all

[potent pivot]

Oof

[ocean thunder]

sorry true, it's on base talent tree i thought it was on spec one

kinda panicked!

i'm trying to convince myself there's no reason to login more than a month from expac release, not sure if i will stand firm 😛

[potent pivot]

Just play the new DH spec it’s broken and looks cool

[dark kernel]

the "Target" name for spell on name plates

is actually insane

so you can see who is getting poly'd

this is actually BETTER than anything prior

[potent pivot]

It’ll be disabled in pvp

[dark kernel]

no because that would require blizzard to work on pvp

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

You know damn well that's the most logical reason it'll stick through

aint no lie

oh my god

In Game TTS

IMAGINE in BG Blitz on stream

[grave basin]

Tww survivability talent nodes are also on choice nodes now

[ocean thunder]

So you will be able to identify focus poly if you target the mage? wow

[dark kernel]

It also has Veev Spell alert

"Polymorph"

useful

[ocean thunder]

So it's gladiatorlossa but only for your target?

not for focus or anything else

[dark kernel]

See Im wondering about that

[ocean thunder]

I could live with that, i think healers have it the worst
You could have the enemy as a target and use mouseover macros for healing but i am not sure people will go that route.
And given teh fact most not glad healers just mainly look on health bars..it's gonna be a challenge to predict based on enemy CDs used and not just react

[dark kernel]

this really tracks some handy stuff

It tracks Unseen blade CD

[grave basin]

It procs loads now right

[dark kernel]

I need to make it 2 rows I dont like this one line thing

[grave basin]

They added another spell to proc it

[dark kernel]

wait r u asking me

[humble spear]

Assa hits like a wet noodle wtf lmao

[potent pivot]

What build you playin

[grave basin]

Yes im asking

[dark kernel]

yes here

[abstract stratus]

whats the assa build rn im lost af

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

just make sure you read the messages there too

[grave basin]

Yea so it just procs loads now

[dark kernel]

im proccing a load rn

[potent pivot]

this is a gooning free zone sirs

[dark kernel]

alright

so Blizz REALLLY makes it hard to get a lot of dance out of haste

So 24% haste - 7.4 seconds on dance, and 30% is a full 8 seconds

so, you need a LOTTT of haste to get big value from globals

Fortunately, rocking 30% haste, 30% vers and 82% mastery is not that bad

it also means, you could double dance a blades window and have 16 seconds of blades and dance at once

[lime oar]

nah fuck it full mast

[fathom moss]

Nah fuck it full crit

1 billion dmg cheapshot

[potent pivot]

that will not go well

[fathom moss]

Im so glad i farmed 3 different sets/ sockets & everything for this

so many crates…..so many bgs…..

[dark kernel]

So Sub is going to be a lot better than we even thought

Since Cheapshot having charges, even when used the first charge is cooling down and you pop dance it adds +1 and keeps cooling down the first

so we will have a LOT of CC still coming out on 3 targets, like an absurd amount compared to Outlaw or Assa

with how fast dance is we could probably keep all 3 targets on stun DR solo

[abstract stratus]

until the ui is in a better place im still doom and gloom

[dark kernel]

idk man

The only thing I dont have is my party CD tracking or enemy CD tracking (i didnt have this anyway)

I have virtually everything else

The only thing still not functioning is Blizzard DR tracking

[potent pivot]

losing aoe silence was a bit too much

i wouldn't be surprised if they make CT spread it later

because now assa has lost that in m+ too

[abstract stratus]

maybe its just my eyes but i never used anything too complicated from elvui but the nameplates and unit frames just made sense to my eyes and now i have zero idea what im looking at in combat

[potent pivot]

the new way that plates stack seems to be dogshit

from what i've seen

[dark kernel]

i said Sub, sorry man not assa

assa is rough

for sure

[potent pivot]

wha..

"compared to outlaw or assa" was in the message

[dark kernel]

Sub has a LOT of CC "compared to outlaw or assa"

its just i broke it up and context prob got lost

[potent pivot]

i was just commenting on assa's lack of cc

cuz its a bit egregious in assa's case imo

sub did lose a lot of control too though with just the loss of the 3rd dr

[dark kernel]

Yeah but I promise with how much we have dance it actually feels like....fine. I actually am feeling like I got a LOT of cc

[hexed blaze]

UI so random, suddenly no arena frames or raid frames on

[humble spear]

Can somebody share a sub build? ty 🙂

[hexed blaze]

CUQA6i6ki8tqEZF+5XBKpc8wuCgZ2mBAAAAAmtZmZZiZZbmxMjZwDMzYmlxsNmZssMzMYmxAmxAAAAwghNWmxsNDjFGMz20CtMbMzgZAA

[humble spear]

tyvm

[potent pivot]

i think goremaw may be better than 1/2 finality ngl

[hidden mirage]

Losing aoe silence is good for the health of PvP, But we got nothing to compensate, assa rn is unplayable with the current energy starving issues and does 0 dmg on top of it. its like 10 APM now.

[potent pivot]

i think the energy is fine as long as they continue tuning damage

[hidden mirage]

its not lol, if energy is fine, then you would need mutilate to do dmg like chaos bolt...

[potent pivot]

are you playing all the energy talents

[hidden mirage]

ofc

[potent pivot]

link?

[hidden mirage]

I don't have access to wowhead at work, can't post links.

[potent pivot]

ok 1 sec

[hidden mirage]

but it doesn't matter, it is same on beta with full gear.

energy needs to be buffed by a lot.

[potent pivot]

it does matter, but i don't think it needs to be buffed tbh

their goal with the rework was to make energy management/pooling matter again. i don't see them changing that

[hidden mirage]

you cant force pooling in PvP and expect it will work in current wow...

[potent pivot]

we're back to similar energy levels of Shadowlands, and we were mostly fine back then too (dependent on damage tuning)

[potent pivot]

and why not

[hidden mirage]

how many years do you play assa in pvp ?

[potent pivot]

tbc->wrath and SL->now

[hidden mirage]

simply because pvp is fast paced.

[potent pivot]

so you just hold globals

don't spam them without thinking

don't overcap energy, but don't run yourself dry

this used to be a very core element of energy classes

[hidden mirage]

but we are not in 2004

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

[hidden mirage]

no class in the game has this excessive downtime

play few shuffles and see for yourself

it does matter

the game is completely different

and devs are forcing rogue to be like TBC design

[potent pivot]

most other classes have to press meaningless globals to build their resources

if the damage is compensated to our abilities i just don't see a problem with it ngl

if anything maybe mutilate cost lowered back to what it used to be

[hidden mirage]

lowered to what ?

it was 60 now its 50

the spec will simply not work with current design, unless you buff the damage on the level of chaos bolts.

but that gameplay is not fun to play in a miles away.

[potent pivot]

i'm mixing it up with something else mb

[potent pivot]

idk we just see it differently

i know a lot of ppl have that opinion because spamming buttons is "fun" and the change is jarring

[hidden mirage]

you never played mop, wod or bfa assa to see how it was fine.

[potent pivot]

but i've seen the energy on beta and it did not look any different to SL

[hidden mirage]

they ruined it with legion and now with midnight again.

[potent pivot]

agree to disagree

[hidden mirage]

SL was bad, but atleast the Venomous wounds worked to some degree.

[grave basin]

Notrickz is a pooling enjoyer

[hidden mirage]

in midnight they killed the core of venomous wounds in favor of afk downtime.

[potent pivot]

its not even pooling that i inherently enjoy

[grave basin]

Weve had this discussion before

[hidden mirage]

something that exists since cata

[potent pivot]

its using my brain that i enjoy

playing more methodically rather than spamming APM

[hidden mirage]

what brain do you need for pooling ?

its just afk simulator

[potent pivot]

i fucking hate DF/TWW assa

spam FoK spread bleed

[hidden mirage]

I hate it too we can agree on that

but pooling is not some high school math

[potent pivot]

VW isn't working correctly atm

in case you didn't know

[hidden mirage]

its not working in multi target

but single target is way to low either

[potent pivot]

but even if it was idk if it its worth spreading bleeds

[hidden mirage]

and snapshotting was removed

[grave basin]

Huh

[potent pivot]

what snapshotting

[grave basin]

Imp garrote doesnt snapshot anymore?

[hidden mirage]

no i mean rupture for energy

from VW

[grave basin]

What does that have to do with snapshotting

[potent pivot]

what

you mean when something dies?

[hidden mirage]

yes

[potent pivot]

that isn't removed?

[hidden mirage]

that is removed

purposedly

[potent pivot]

read the VW talent though

[hidden mirage]

you get some energy back, but like 75% less than TWW

[potent pivot]

unless wowhead's tooltip is just wrong, it plainly shows it was even added to the tooltip

[grave basin]

How does this affect arena

[potent pivot]

that isn't super relevant to arena anyway right

[potent pivot]

and to answer this; restraint at the proper times can be an expression of skill

[hidden mirage]

that may be true in situations like KB burst window, but not during the general gameplay.

[knotty oxide]

is sub the best pvp spec atm

[potent pivot]

its prepatch

for rn prob

[knotty oxide]

holy shi i just copy pasted the build

is sub 2 buttons now

wtf

3 counting st

[potent pivot]

you can run goremaw > finality

4 buttons

the stats are entirely different now too

[knotty oxide]

dont tell me u want haste now for some reason

[potent pivot]

YEP

[knotty oxide]

[balmy mirage]

I like this part. Lets you offspec outlaw earlier in the season where conq is limited

bc outlaw is playable with haste too

[knotty oxide]

That is if they fix they fix the aa bug before midnight

[potent pivot]

already is i think

thats what someone told me earlier at least

[balmy mirage]

There are so many bugs rn on this class

that aa is the least of my worries

also full mastery outlaw i manage 20k+ procs into big coins

[potent pivot]

the biggest glaring issue rn is deathstalker's mark

[balmy mirage]

actually fun

[balmy mirage]

yeahhhh… like that thing ever worked properly anyway

i forgot what the bug even is on that tree i just avoid it like the plague

[potent pivot]

well there's multiple

[balmy mirage]

i lowkey liked nimble flurry on trickster this season, with how bad sub was it was my ‘’for funzies’’ alt spec

[potent pivot]

the main offender in pvp in TWW was Singular Focus damage breaking CC

[balmy mirage]

great cleave

[potent pivot]

or breaking stealth

but now the Mark can't ever be reapplied if it gets cleared

which is insanely bad

[balmy mirage]

stealth randomly breaking from wind blowing the wrong way outside has been a thing for so many expacs though i didnt realize it was the mark this time

[potent pivot]

[balmy mirage]

delete deathstalkers mark bring back acro

id trade all these hero talents just for acro sometimes

looking at you earthbind totem

[dark moon]

Yo guys, how are we feeling rogue right now? Any hopes of being decent or nah

[potent pivot]

yh

[dark moon]

Sub?

[potent pivot]

i think the other two will be alright with some damage tuning

[balmy mirage]

sub is gaming both in prepatch and beta

[potent pivot]

but ye

[balmy mirage]

outlaw very one shotty surprisingly

and quick assa guide: press N, find another Activate button, pick whichever

[vocal surge]

1 shotty?

[gusty hedge]

havent found the 1 shot sauce yet

close as ima get to my old Wa set up

[potent pivot]

game looks fine or am i trippin

[balmy mirage]

you do nothing for a minute but then get cool chains of hard hitting buttons and you one shot a lot of classes, ill try and record my next queue

[gusty hedge]

aside from the dr icons, looks good

[balmy mirage]

and share the build

i dropped crit and im running haste mast

[gusty hedge]

thats what im running on one of my law rogues rn

[balmy mirage]

it kinda feels like enh in some ways with the dr nerfs

do nothing then do big random dam

but with the zoomies

[restive vessel]

sub = hot garbage

[potent pivot]

wha

[dark kernel]

I agree looks good

[potent pivot]

ye i think we will have ui all figured out pretty quickly before season starts

plates leave a bit to be desired, dr icons will take getting used to but nbd really

[balmy mirage]

we’re not playing the same game

[restive vessel]

You're not playing world of warcraft?

[balmy mirage]

I am, but in that game sub = very solid

[restive vessel]

We can agree to disagree right

[true warren]

i don't understand why we can't change the icons. the addon has the option but it's greyed out

[balmy mirage]

What makes you feel like sub is garbo? maybe i can help

[restive vessel]

Rupture removal + dances don't feel exciting as goes anymore

dances are almost always up now

[potent pivot]

I think he’s just saying he doesn’t like the gameplay

[balmy mirage]

dont need rupture pressure when you’re in dance like 80% of the time

[potent pivot]

Not that the spec is bad compared to others

[balmy mirage]

oh

agree then

but dance having a really high uptime is literally what makes sub bomba rn

[true warren]

i don't know why but the gameplay feels scripted and less intuitive right now

[restive vessel]

exactly, feels like tutorial spec rn

[balmy mirage]

Yeah we have like 4 buttons now and don’t play around finishers

feels weird

makes sub feel like a brawlet

brawler*

[restive vessel]

also since no rupture anymore, you are more proned to pressing more evis so it's AA -> stab -> evi spec rn

[balmy mirage]

dance up constantly and we run haste and Rotten, a lot of dmg comes from SS and goremaw

[potent pivot]

It’ll probably get sorted, but it really shouldn’t be that hard to get used to for rn right

[balmy mirage]

barely even evi

[restive vessel]

How much haste are we running rn?

[potent pivot]

20%+

[true warren]

so far i only remembered the icon for stun and disorient

[balmy mirage]

all of it

[potent pivot]

I feel you

[restive vessel]

I'm still in mast/vers gear kek

[balmy mirage]

thats why it feels bad to you

swap to haste, brand new game

[potent pivot]

Not too much

[balmy mirage]

remember we run Rotten and our dmg is from SS and goremaw

[restive vessel]

should I spend my conquest on haste vers gear?

[potent pivot]

You still want some mast and also crit

Haste to 20%+ > vers > crit/mast

[balmy mirage]

I played like 15 ss lobbies and some 3s + dummy and hardest burst by far was full haste with mast fiber and one mast ring

no crit rest haste

[potent pivot]

That’s not possible

[true warren]

in pvp i have 19% crit, 30%haste, 60% mast, 31% vers right now which feels good. dance lasts 8.1 sec and sec tec has a CD of 19 sec. every second dance lines up with sec tec

[balmy mirage]

rotten SS and goremaw hit harder than full mast evis

[potent pivot]

Haste doesn’t add any damage to your burst really, just lengthens dance/shortens tech cd

You don’t need haste past a certain point

[potent pivot]

Crit and vers make builders do more damage

[balmy mirage]

all mast does is increase sectec, evis is a wet noodle

[balmy mirage]

i tried, longer dance was the big one

[potent pivot]

Brother

[balmy mirage]

not running rotten, some crit and mast was good

[potent pivot]

This isn’t pve

Dance duration longer than your stun lock isn’t worth

To a degree

[balmy mirage]

what stun lock

we cant even triple stun anymore

[potent pivot]

…

[potent pivot]

You still have to press them

May as well make them do a bit more damage

[balmy mirage]

idk anything though i just peaked 2.6 in the most inflated season since sls2