pvp

[broken otter]

Oh, shit! That's awesome. I've been wanting to do that for forever.

[sharp sierra]

Guess you aren’t that good of a mage!

I’d fuck with a spell blade spec so bad

Fav archetype

[vocal surge]

Casually climbing Brawler's Guild w. my fists

[potent pivot]

Did they change it?

I remember reading that rogue was the only class left out

[spring bough]

They finally updated it. Fuu posted a vid of it in midnight sub

#midnight-subtlety message

[potent pivot]

That’s insaaaane

I’m kinda surprised they back tracked

[spring bough]

Outlaw with daggers can’t wait

[potent pivot]

They’ve always said that because of rogue animations they don’t want to let us mog swords

So assa players mog those old ass daggers that have the same model as the swords

The diff color ghost sword looking shits

[broken otter]

Haha I just stumbled on those on the AH for like 19k today

Almost bought em

Had no idea they existed

[potent pivot]

The gurubashi poker?

You can probably find it cheaper on another realm

And with the warband bank you can buy basically any AH transmog from any realm

I got the Night Blade for super cheap that way

[potent pivot]

Can we mog other specs artifacts or naw

Or at least the old base thunderfury on sub/assa?

[spring bough]

Probably. On live I can mog the sin artifact daggers on my OH dagger when I’m outlaw. Haven’t done it in beta but I bet it works

[potent pivot]

Maybe sub players will finally stop buying mace offhands now

[broken otter]

Oh 19k is nothing really. I just wasn't a huge fan of the colors.

[potent pivot]

I know it can suck at times, but they don’t allow trade chat stuffs in the server

[broken otter]

Oh my bad.

[potent pivot]

No worries

[broken otter]

:)

[spring bough]

Posted it in housing. Some guy made a wrestling ring in his home 😂

#housing message

PVP has finally evolved 😂

[hazy monolith]

three shuffles in a row healer insta leaves, next one healers leaves 3rd round, game after priest goes afk second round. waiting 20m each q pop. idk how to play the game anymore

[sharp sierra]

If I have to fight another demo lock I’m gonna rearrange my brain matter

[gilded gulch]

try 30-40 min q's

[hazy monolith]

no thanks

[gilded gulch]

havent had bad luck to have healers leave though idk what mmr you're at for that to happen

[hazy monolith]

2400

[gilded gulch]

oh yeah sounds about right

idk healers in shuffle are whiny turds

I personally find the biggest tilter about shuffle is people who throw 2s stuns randomly

[hazy monolith]

imho they deserve to get flamed when theres 0 dispells into frost mage + mm

[gilded gulch]

Idk shuffle is the most unfun bracket to play rogue in i feel

[hazy monolith]

like i cant play the game. congrats for throwing 5000 void blasts while letting me rot in roots

[gilded gulch]

its a mistake of a game mode that really should give less rewards alas

[hazy monolith]

i play disc too its not a miracle

imho they should give a buff for dispelling

[gilded gulch]

my favorite is people who never try to push in then ask

[hazy monolith]

like these boots from DF

[gilded gulch]

"why dont you hit the caster"

gee i wonder why overextending is bad

[gilded gulch]

I dont know why people dont swap kill rdruids more

i swear so many flop if they have no trinket

[sharp sierra]

i swear just applying DM makes them go "TREE TREE TREE TREE" its like they never learn 😭

[gilded gulch]

Atp i should make a compilation of people who trinket and throw the kitchen sink at dm kidney

then proceed to die to kb in a bomb 30s later

[outer sky]

Nothing flops harder than a pres evoker

[severe osprey]

sub rouge pvp talent tree builds?

[potent pivot]

pins or murlok.io

[severe osprey]

i am new i dont know what your are asking

[potent pivot]

look at this channel's pins

or check out murlok.io, its a website

[severe osprey]

ok ty

[gilded gulch]

Playing sub when totally new to wow

is a bold move

respect it though

[potent pivot]

i don't think he's new to wow

[severe osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[potent pivot]

maybe to pvp

[severe osprey]

you right - new to pvp

[gilded gulch]

well point still stands

[potent pivot]

meh

[gilded gulch]

granted idk if sub or outlaw has higher learning curve rn

[potent pivot]

if you already have the dps rotations ingrained in your brain

i don't think spec matters

[gilded gulch]

ehh cheap spamming has a bit of a curve

to not gap

[potent pivot]

pretty much every spec has similar cc to learn

[quasi thicket]

Guys, can you help me with the talent build for BGs? Which of the following builds should I use?
I think I screwed up gearing as I have, unbuffed, outside of pvp, in the city the stats in the picture.
Did I screwed up or I can still be fine as Outlaw (It's my fav rogue spec so far...)
Which Build will keep me going better?
Thank you so much in advance! 🥺

[spring bough]

Build and gear looks fine. Some outlaws go a little more haste. Are the stats at PvP ilvl or just hanging in dorn?

[quasi thicket]

@spring bough Hey Van, Thank you for answering! Yes, stats are 730 ilvl in pvp andd 680 haning in dorn.
ATM i'm trying this build, and i never run out of energy and its crazy fast. I just weanted to understand if I screwed up because of haste, and what build is better for picking up people in random bgs (not those huge team fights). Is this ok?

[spring bough]

I meant the stats you screenshotted. Were you at pvp ilvl for them or just hanging in dorn? Looks like hanging in dorn. Haste looks good. Most don’t ever run tea always supercharger. And I’d probably do the CC speed reduction talent over rushed setup or w/e the kidney reduction one is called

[quasi thicket]

These stats are mine, completely unbuffed, standing still in dornogal, doing nothing.
I saw every youtuber with haste, and I was like...Oh damn...I screwed up.
So, I scrambled to find a build that wouldn't energy starved, and decided to kindly ask here.
So, so far, the one that doesn't seem to starve me of energy is the one with tea. The one with supercharger starves me...

Not sure what talents I should swap. The "cc speed reduction talent" and the "kidney reduction on". I kinda switch to outlaw from ASSA, as I always dying stunlocked in the middle of the skirmish. At least i have 4 hooks and that SAVES me everytime or almost always xD

[spring bough]

It’s the foot with the chain. Take that over the one to the right of the feather (sprint) talent that you have the X on

[quasi thicket]

Done!

[spring bough]

I would also use the ambush extra cp talent over the 6% finisher reduction since you’re playing HO. Other than that you’re good. If tea feels better than supercharger for you I’d run that

[quasi thicket]

@spring bough Thank you so much for this! I'll try in some bgs and then give you feedback! 😄 I appreciate your time and attention!

[quasi thicket]

@spring bough Hey Van! So, I tried this talent tree... It's good on burst, but when i'm dragged out in a team fight, i get energy starved.
The thistle tea talent build is better for sustained but a bit worse during burst.

[spring bough]

Yeah just gotta go with what works for you on that. I usually run the charger build. What would help with energy starvation is Loaded Dice AND sleight of hand together

For that in the outlaw tree if you wanted to test it with supercharger. I would drop heavy hitter and blind and go for stamina and loaded dice. The extra rolls will really help

[quasi thicket]

Hey Van, would love to trry this! Is it possible if you could send me a string? Having some difficulty allocating that what you said!

[spring bough]

Take those two to the left. And put one into stamina and the second into loaded dice. You’ll get a lot more bones rolls

[quasi thicket]

Much appreciated!!

[lone jasper]

Hey guys, when is it better to use tricks of the trade pvp talent in SS, and is there a macro that will work automatically when i push on another dps in party

Tott instead of hemotoxin

[spring bough]

Can probably swap TOTT in for whatever PvP talent. I think most use FrameSort so the DPS is always second and use a party target macro for it

[lone jasper]

Thanks

[safe pelican]

Wants swift azul tiger , has hard time paying 1k for old 2 pixel mount but best mount ever 😔 #pain

[lone jasper]

Zulian ? Ye i tried to get it but drop rate is too low:(

Hmm not, i tried something different, just read itsnt dropping

The price is 1300 $ lol

[vocal surge]

Id drop CTO for Greenskin Wickers

Gives you alot more punching power between fights

[quasi thicket]

@vocal surge Hey! Thanks for your input.
I will try this build now. Any tweak I could do?

[spring bough]

I’d still probably drop heavy hitter/blind talent and go with loaded dice/verse. trust that loaded dice gonna make energy feel a lot better in downtime. Especially without CTO lmao

[quasi thicket]

Yes, I will do that!

atm tryingthis build, See how it goes, looks like it's hitting quite heavily 🙂

[gleaming sentinel]

No cto

[quasi thicket]

I took out cto to put GW like @vocal surge suggested

[safe pelican]

Yea lowest i could find was like 1100

I’ve got someone for cheaper but I have to get the max gold first on top of the source fee

I’m going to get it before i retire for good lol only mount i drool over

[lone jasper]

Noo, i will never pay that for mount 😆

Even thought i like rogue t3 old set very much, i wont pay for it either

[quasi thicket]

Have not been running CTO and I’m doing way better with GW.

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo that’s how it started i say someone with T3 and they told me everything you had to do to get it now … def don’t have time for that , rather pay t3 is cheap old and pixelated cause it’s outdated but it’s dope

I think the mount is a better flex lol

The poors must know pain

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-gif-22072927

[grave basin]

ok so beta is completely borked

why are there people crafting 302 ilvl gear man

[spring bough]

What’s that saying. Exploit early exploit often 😂

[jolly sierra]

exploits, like when ppl was using rog lego daggers in DF pvp for bad scaling lol

[wanton breach]

at least lumber farming is something to do while in shuffle queue

[vocal surge]

CTO good for shuffle, but GSW comes out on top in BGs when fights are far shorter and more common

Gotta end fights faster

[gleaming sentinel]

I buy that, makes sense

[rare vector]

how are we feeling about beta? are CC of other classes also getting nerfed? Noticed that our blind is nerfed too, not just cheap shot

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[spring bough]

No

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[rotund fulcrum]

is blitz always easy rating? first season trying and my mmr is 2900 lol

[lime oar]

what did they do to blind

[spring bough]

Idk

[fathom crag]

yes

[rotund fulcrum]

thanks @fathom crag big fan btw :3

[fathom crag]

[final anvil]

What makes sub the best dps for blitz? Whats my role as sub in any given match?

[final anvil]

Is it better to bait cd with deathmark and not use kingsbane in arena,save it for next stun dr?

[jaunty mirage]

Sometimes you can get good damage out of death mark but it’s def pretty effective to bait cds and KB is the real danger

[gilded gulch]

there is no one way to do it

[little mountain]

hey all, happy holidays! anyone have a good pvp talent tree for S3? It's been a while since I've done some pvp.

assassination. sorry

[broken otter]

Hey, check out https://murlok.io/

Also, happy holidays :D

[little mountain]

Thanks!

[grave basin]

anyone else?

all my WAs just went nuclear

[wanton breach]

I'm now counting solo q wait time in lumber as a measurement of time

21 min = 56 olema lumber

[grave basin]

im blind without my weak auras aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw grind almost over....

[grave basin]

bro gets trained as a braindead vw

leaves

[wanton breach]

getting trained isn't that bad if it enables your team mates to crank insane dmg

[grave basin]

he went 0 5

[wanton breach]

probably not fun in a full melee lobby

dk is insanely annoying there, blanket silence is just so op

[lone jasper]

won 6 games after 2100 with 2 6-0 and lost on 2387. it was an awful lobby

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

[grave basin]

he lost against monk war with dk ret on his team

lol

[lone jasper]

and awful feeeling, just wanted 13 rating :/

[grave basin]

i was 239x ATLEAST 3 times with 2380 atleast 5 times

before i got to 2400

[lone jasper]

Daaamn

[wanton breach]

but you did it!

just got the artisan voucher quest after 77 rounds of shuffle... thanks for that I guess

which class is next?

[sharp sierra]

I just want a way to link my phone for que times lmao

[spring bough]

I think it’s like 100% off epic BGs. I found that out the hard way lol

take the portal to Boralus and people are in /1 doing WAR FRONT pvp

[spring bough]

wish this was every dps que ever

put down a bomb and this DK just stood there lol

[final anvil]

hey guys how come sub rogue is more popular in blitz bg? what makes it better than assa in this mode?

[potent pivot]

more/easier access to cc

you can really play whatever spec you want regardless

[spring bough]

Just know if you play any rogue spec you’ll still get blamed for losses 9/10 times 😭

[lone jasper]

They hate us, because they aint us

[gilded gulch]

feels like its still a mentality left over from when sub had duel

[spring bough]

It’s crazy. I’ll go ninja a base then my team loses say like WW. They never get it back or come help my ninja. Then it’s “damn rogue shoulda stayed WW”

[gilded gulch]

pretty easy to ninja a flag with someone else when duel existed

[spring bough]

Or when you could cloak cap a flag

[gilded gulch]

i mean can you still as ds?

idk blitz a shit bracket

[spring bough]

Can click flags anymore with cloak active 😭

[gilded gulch]

yeah i mean even shuffle is a clown fiesta imo for rogue

get cc'ed first global out of stealth

[spring bough]

Hell sometimes pallys just be knocking me out of stealth and they didn’t even hit me lol

[gilded gulch]

meanwhile i play my dh people just

let me bonk them

for a solid 30s

[gilded gulch]

feels alot of classes can

its just a mindgame of if you go the same way they cast a target area aoe

[spring bough]

DH phenomenon is crazy every1 afraid of them lol

[gilded gulch]

evoker landslide a prime example

i rarely get dh lobbies i feel

[spring bough]

i had one earlier with a lock.... lock could never get away and the DH had a boomy with it... we got crushed lol

[lone jasper]

Dh and boomkin kicked hardly my ass some minutes ago and i rage quitet after the games.

[gilded gulch]

oh yeah lock games are freelo as dh

if you purge and get a greater demon soul from the purge

[spring bough]

i was disarming and stunning this DH and this lock could never get away

DH dumped so much dmg on lock

[gilded gulch]

you vr hunt while in the flip so you're cc immune during the hunt cast

its pretty funny when he gates it and gets chased by hunt

demo its more disgusting because you just cleave his zoo for free and funnel into him

very high chance of getting healer trinket if you detain into fear sigil on healer tbh

[spring bough]

Wait wait wait

You can do this???

How have I had a DH alt all xpack and didn’t know I could do that 😭

[potent pivot]

[gilded gulch]

You are cc immune in the flip animation

if you are talented into the thing

[spring bough]

yeah i knew that didnt realize i could cast the hunt during that lol

brb setting up a macro lol

[gilded gulch]

idk if you can macro

you can play your character in vr’s animation though

[potent pivot]

I press them all separately

[gilded gulch]

Yeah

[true warren]

i play my fury alt one time on low mmr and this is the type of players i have to deal with lmao

[potent pivot]

YOU were hunting the healer

[true warren]

yeah great hunt with 2m damage on him lamo

i told him "bro check your details you'll see who i hit with what and how much" and he were like "what details there are no more details than that you didnt hit the mage"

[gilded gulch]

idk whats with people at low rating

and not knowing swaps can happen

[potent pivot]

some people are just blind as well

[gilded gulch]

I've had healers tilt so hard

when i swap them no trinket

and 100-0 them

[true warren]

i used one charge on him for hamstring plus fear didnt even hard switch

[gilded gulch]

its generally hard to 100% uptime a half decent mage

[hazy monolith]

JUST STAY TARGET

🤖

[spring bough]

obv you were training healer man idk

[true warren]

my favorite mates are the fury and arms warriros stun DR'ing the kill target and then wondering why i do no damage on my sub

[gilded gulch]

like sometimes you straight up cant always train a mage if he knows how to kite

+abuse positioning

[hazy monolith]

charge insta storm bolt

https://tenor.com/view/orgasm-bridesmaids-jonhamm-gif-4624535

[gilded gulch]

nah the nutworthy moment

is the rshams that cap totem 2s left on stun dr

[spring bough]

nah shockwave so they aoe DR it all

[true warren]

had one arms yesterday after first round i told him to not stun the kill target bc of DR. he straight up said "fuck you little rogue you shit" i went 6:0 this round lmao

[gilded gulch]

i think the only time i've dr shockwaved someone on warrior

is occasionally doing it on someone at low hp

can make them shit their pants trinket panic

[true warren]

/w him afterwards said "when a better player tells you start you want to listen and not insult" he replied with capital letters fuck you

[gilded gulch]

the real shuffle approach is

disable chat

music 200%

[true warren]

i can't because i constantly have to remind people to not stun DR the kill target in 2,2k+

[gilded gulch]

yeah thats one downside of sub

[true warren]

it's ok. most people get it after one round and even apologize. but then there are warriors

[gilded gulch]

assa can kind of just rot the team and kidney someone who trinketd some random shit

tbh i think the 4 edgecase coinflips from dm+kb still jumpscare most people

[true warren]

can't say i'm not one of them on sub tbf. i got deleted too much by an assa after i didn't took much damage the whole round

[gilded gulch]

yeah i killed this guy once 3 rounds in a row in bomb

after he tried to aggro trinket for momentum

[true warren]

i only aggro trink on sub if im VERY confident on my pre feints and only against specs with low duration stuns

if i see assa bet i only trink if i get hit with DM and see smoke

[gilded gulch]

Yeah i mean i only trinket on rogue generally if theres a moderate/decent chance i die or they die

like im not gonna trinket a kidney bomb i have feint up for and my teammate is in there too

[spring bough]

this VR hunt combo is elite

[jolly sierra]

what a shame

that guy is from my server

xd

[spring bough]

https://x.com/treesapjake/status/2001189671011811576?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

TreesapJake (@TreesapJake)

Day 870 of asking @Warcraft @WatcherDev & @Blizzard_Ent to make a dedicated WoW PvP twitter for communicating with the PvP community. An ideal format for promoting PvP in the Worldsoul Saga.

Midnight could be the next best PvP expansion 👀

(New issues/bugs post below)

X · Dec 17, 2025, 7:16 AM

I wonder if blizz will ever respond 😂

[stoic spruce]

Lol

And also

Lol no

You know what Van?

Lmfao, even.

[hazy monolith]

There will be a housing Twitter before we get a PvP twitter

[gilded gulch]

Well yeah one has way more fans

Tbh if you've seen the average playerbase of pvp you wouldn't want to interact with them either.

[broken otter]

There's an addon for this.

Lemme look it up

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/lAM6FnJbEI

I haven't tried it, myself, but I've read the code when it was originally posted on Reddit, and it's a neat way to handle the problem

The addon takes a screenshot in a specific file extension format on queue pop, the Python program scans your screenshots folder for any image with that specific file extension, then texts you a notification and deletes the screenshot

[potent pivot]

Does that not seem a lil risky

Oh it uses an app to notify not your actual phone number

[broken otter]

I can read the code again, but when I initially read it a few months back it was safe code.

Huh I got auto modded for saying this but

It uses a popular chat app now

For mobile phones

[lapis steeple]

Yeah, you got automodded cause no one actually uses telegram, the only mentions of it are from scammers and hacked accounts

So we added it to the filter

[broken otter]

Word. Yeah I kinda figured. I don't use it either.

Sorry, for that.

But as far as I can tell the addon I linked is safe to use

If you guys are against me linking that, I won't take offense if you nuke the whole thread I posted

[lapis steeple]

Idc personally

If it makes you feel better, notrickz got filtered too

[broken otter]

Haha

[lapis steeple]

Imagine being a bozo without a purple name

Beholden to earthly rules

Telegram telegram telegram telegram

But yeah it’s whatever

[broken otter]

Oh did NoTrickz say the same word?

[lapis steeple]

Yeah

[broken otter]

Oh hahaha

[hazy monolith]

A ton of people use it especially in the tech and science sector

[lapis steeple]

Yeah that’s what I said

[potent pivot]

You’re evillllll !

[potent pivot]

Yes I went and read the code

And nah there’s no issue with you linking the Reddit thread or anything

At first I thought you meant it was sending literal text messages as the queue pop notification, which made it sound kinda sussy

[outer sky]

DM is bait. The script is "get trinket with DM. Kill them with KB"

[sharp sierra]

What? First time on the internet?

It’s just as safe as brave browser!!!

[sharp sierra]

I missed with some of the lua scripting but always getting an issue when using an actual app since paying Apple to upload even your own app is absurd. I had it working before on old droid I used for random apk stuff but since I moved away from it I’ve been missing it lmao

Couldn’t pay me to code with swift either that shit makes me want to paint the roof red

[gilded gulch]

I swear to god sometimes, there is a "spam cc on rogue randomly, anything that works randomly throw it" in the shuffle guidebook

[broken otter]

Apple charging money to develop iPhone apps is what drove me back to Samsung

[sharp sierra]

Also tele is legit for not wanting to pay for IDA pro lol

[broken otter]

But when I had an iPhone I just made web apps

[sharp sierra]

Only reason I use it at this point

[gilded gulch]

Yeah it just happens that tele is also used by scammers

for the same reason other people use it

[sharp sierra]

I mean I could do a web app I guess that would work too but then again with the new changes to the api I’d have to see if it’s still possible. I don’t want to hook anything lmao

[sharp sierra]

Ahhh this is just like the discord one on github that adds rich sense by scanning the image I see now. Seems way more do able with a web app you’re right I should do that instead

[broken otter]

I really enjoy their approach with using the screenshot to transfer the queue event out of the WoW sandbox

But I've never used it

[broken otter]

Okay, so I know there's a ton of different openers and rotations, for Subtlety. However, I'm just starting out building muscle memory, here.

I'm terrible at gapping my Cheap Shots. I'm looking to spend the next few days spamming the same Cheap Shot stun rotation over and over.

So, taking CD burst out of the picture. Focusing just on the hit part of the general bread and butter hit and run. What is my Cheap Shot stunlock rotation?

[jaunty osprey]

man

been queuing shuffle this week and pushed 2 rogues up since i havent really been queuing shufs this season

and i still think deathstalker is better

i just have so much pressure

[broken otter]

Sub or Sin?

[jaunty osprey]

SIN

[broken otter]

Word

[gilded gulch]

ds still has more rot doesnt it

just fb can randomly clap people not paying attention with its kbs

[jaunty osprey]

ya ds still has more rot

FB is definitely good, but it's so annoying when teammates cant force any cooldowns and then everyone has full defensives all round

[lone jasper]

Hello, can u copy talents ?

[broken otter]

https://murlok.io/character/us/zuljin/ivanrah/pvp

[lone jasper]

Thx

[broken otter]

np

[dark moon]

How do you manage to play ds if they are spread apart? I struggle a lot in such scenarios

[rare vector]

I hate how blind lasts 3 sec in Midnight tbh

[balmy mirage]

do you think DS would also be better in 2s or is that griefing ?

[potent pivot]

Not better

[jaunty osprey]

Your rupture lasts longer when you’re DS

In addition, you have A LOT more rot damage which makes the enemy team get punished if they ever stack for any of your subterfuge windows

[jaunty osprey]

Fatebound is too good in 2s

Season ends on Jan 19 since prepatch is Jan 20

[spring bough]

ive tried DS over fate but i just enjoy the one shot rotation too much lol

[lime oar]

too bad we’re losing it

[outer sky]

Have you tried it? I think i actually prefer DS in 2s. Because in 2s you dont have anyone else who can force CDs and it feels like you just get run down and killed before you can rotate through enough kingsbane bursts to actually get a kill. But with how fast dampening ramps up in 2s, the constant rot pressure of DS definitely makes healers fall behind really fast and at least for me thats been a more reliable win con in 2s than fatebound burst

[jaunty osprey]

ANOTHER DS ENJOYER

[grave basin]

So uh

Prepatch is on the 20th..

I don't feel good bros

Half the classes on beta feel like trash to play and the base UI still sucks

[stoic spruce]

you know whats great though?

I dont have to work so hard at gatekeeping outlaw anymore

Blizz is doing that for me

[grave basin]

Who tf is gatekeeping outlaw

[stoic spruce]

me

get off my spec

[grave basin]

Outlaw gatekeeps itself

[stoic spruce]

not without a little help

[spring bough]

Wait what

Mr DK

[stoic spruce]

I gatekeep unholy too

[grave basin]

Wait wait

January 20th prepatch so season ends

[stoic spruce]

nobody can play what I play

yeah

[grave basin]

March 2nd is midnight release

Right ?

[stoic spruce]

ye

[grave basin]

So 1.5 months of nothing to do?

Wtf ?

[stoic spruce]

a whole month of prepatch is pretty normal

[grave basin]

Pre patch for A MONTH?

[stoic spruce]

maybe a bit longer than usual

yeah

[grave basin]

pre patch is like two weeks

[stoic spruce]

I mean

feb only has 28 days

[grave basin]

Wow saved me 3 days

[stoic spruce]

6 if you have EA

:)

[grave basin]

Ofcourse but wtf man 1.5months of no rated content

Jan 20th to march 2nd then two weeks more for the season to start

[stoic spruce]

why 2 weeks for off season

[grave basin]

So it's really two full months

The expac launches and the season starts in week 1 or 2?

Isn't there a pre season

[stoic spruce]

expac starts and theres a week of off season

[grave basin]

Ok then Jan 20th to march 10th ish

[stoic spruce]

sure

a new tierset inc so maybe a mini season is coming

[grave basin]

49 days?

[grave basin]

Isn't that just to replace our existing ones

[stoic spruce]

we dont know

all we know is they exist

[grave basin]

Cause the talent trees and tier sets might brick each other

[stoic spruce]

and they dont typically care about that

which is why I think small season akin to a fated season is in the cards

[grave basin]

Classes
For the Midnight Pre-expansion Patch, class tier sets have been updated to grant a damage or healing bonus, based on role. This is intended to alleviate concerns for many specs that are being changed significantly in Midnight and would otherwise find their Manaforge Omega tier sets to be deficient.

Bruh they explicitly explained it

[stoic spruce]

cool

dont bruh me

I dont read that garbage

[grave basin]

Bruh

[stoic spruce]

also

lets not act like rated content is all that and a bag of chips

shuffle needs to go

[grave basin]

It's literally the entire point of having a seasonal game

To play the season

[stoic spruce]

im talking shuffle exclusively

[grave basin]

Housing needs to go

[stoic spruce]

housing serves a purpose

[grave basin]

Shuffle tests my irl profanity filter

[stoic spruce]

you really got me going lol

Had to step away

dude I absolutely loathe shuffle and its players lol

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/planet-of-the-apes-caesar-no-gif-9726913691316398235

[stoic spruce]

for every good thing about shuffle you give, I can give 2 bad things about it.

[gleaming sentinel]

Glad its here

[stoic spruce]

the biggest monkey paw the pvp community ever experienced

shuffle goes

blitz stays

[gleaming sentinel]

boomer dorks said that about arena in tbc

[stoic spruce]

I dont really care about what they said 20 years ago

18?

17 I think

[gleaming sentinel]

ok

saying something like "ever" and ignoring history is weird

[sharp sierra]

healers

[stoic spruce]

im not ignoring history, theyre just wrong

[sharp sierra]

feels like this beta has had more daily/weekly changes for the better than tww had the entire expac

which...idk im kinda glad and hopeful but no rated content for that long is a bit odd

dont see why they cant just keep it open

[grave basin]

Changes doesn't mean good

[stoic spruce]

what even is the prepatch event

[grave basin]

That's how you know

[stoic spruce]

prepatch is ALWAYS super unbalanced so they probably dont want people taking advantage of it

If I had to guess

[sharp sierra]

i personally feel like a lot more people are gonna be doing pvp

even healing feels fun for me again

idk im trying not to doom but track record is track record lol

[stoic spruce]

the last good prepatch was SL

[grave basin]

Prepatch is an unbalanced shitfest

Like soulscar bleed ticking for half your health

[potent pivot]

Not this season but ye. I don’t see any way ds would be better than fb in 2s ever

[sharp sierra]

im not trying to be an ass but isnt that what prepatch is for?

i mean this is the most changes weve seen since what? BFA?

[grave basin]

Yea but it shouldn't be rated

[sharp sierra]

oh oh oh

agreed

[stoic spruce]

btw you'll still get rating but all achievements will be unobtainable

[grave basin]

Changes aren't always a good thing

[stoic spruce]

so if you want a greyed out rating youre more than welcome

[grave basin]

If changes mean I lose half my kit then leave the me fuck alone

[hidden moth]

https://youtu.be/LgcekFPpM1I?si=ae6Cc2AVspaP126x

no shot pika is this bad

[spring bough]

Pika got his ass whooped

[hidden moth]

did i miss any pvp tuning, and or is the dampening still going unga bunga rn

[grave basin]

Dampening bug is fixed

No tuning for since the VW nerfs

[lone jasper]

i tried framesort, but it only make visual changes, it seems that for example healer is always first in enemy group but targets are changing (visually first but target 3 or 2) am i using it wrong?

[potent pivot]

probably need to add DynamicMacros

[proper heath]

has the season ended?

[stoic spruce]

no

[languid ravine]

how the fuck they doing TBC for the 4th time or how many and it is still bugged

[spring bough]

12.0 is when we get tuning

Or I guess prepatch so January 20 lol

[glass hazel]

Any info about season end?

[spring bough]

usually ends on prepatch i think?

[potent pivot]

jan 19

[glass hazel]

Thanks

[lone jasper]

can any1 share gladiatorlossa profile, if any1 uses it?

[hidden moth]

What was bugged lmfao,

And it’s tbc classic the 2nd time so

And they did add arena changes to this version etc

[sharp sierra]

Kidney for internal bleeding

[fathom crag]

kidney on healer most of the time

[gilded gulch]

I maen in shuffle its probably kidney whoever your animal melee partner hasnt put on dr

[gleaming sentinel]

You try outlaw moonkin Pres recently?

[fathom crag]

no last time i qd 3s was months ago haha

[drowsy vine]

You guys normally going mage in assa rmp mirror?

[hidden moth]

Starting mage usually

Idea is keeping pressure on enemy mage will make it hard for him to get polys and free cast

[outer sky]

You go mage but usually it'll be the rogue that dies

[outer sky]

Depends on what youre opening on

Guys I dont think my youngest daughter likes Santa Claus LOL

Not necessarily

Melee cheap yes for sure

But some casters you also have to cheap

Like a boomie

If you open with garrote he will just Bash stun you then clone you after the garrote silence wears off

So you want to stun him first

[grave basin]

"this guy kinda sus"

[dark moon]

She doesn't trust the guy

[spring bough]

currrently in a game with a ret and DK and a destro lock and when i had the lock on my team both ret and DK charged us both rounds and LOS died

[grizzled basin]

I'd like to try the sub one shot build just for fun. What's the best source to find the exact build and opener / rotation ?

[spring bough]

outlaw orc rogue is pretty fun ngl

[stoic spruce]

Because it's outlaw

[broken otter]

Is there anyone beside Nahj that's producing YouTube content of Rogue PvP, on the beta? As any spec.

I've seen a bunch of Sub gameplay, from Nahj, but I haven't seen any gameplay of the other two, in PvP.

[potent pivot]

doubtful there's any from people worth watching

hasn't been much worthwhile yt content in a long time for rogue in general, just a few good things here n there like nahj/trim/shade

[broken otter]

What's trim channel name? Shade is Shadenox, right?

Yeah, I wish Rogue had someone like Aeghis posting regular content.

Nahj is great, but he's been so busy with IRL, he barely has time to stream.

[potent pivot]

Yea but I think he’s quit wow for the moment

Trimaz has his linked in his discord profile I believe. @fathom crag

[broken otter]

Word. Thanks.

[potent pivot]

Nope nvm

Lemme go find it rq

[broken otter]

And yeah, you know the game is dead, when even the Rogue PvP channel is moving at a crawl haha

Usually this channel moves so fast I can't keep up

[potent pivot]

His YT is just “ML”

[broken otter]

Okay

[potent pivot]

Or “@ trimaz6777”

If you just search “trimaz wow pvp” it should show up

[broken otter]

I got the MT channel subbed now

Appreciate it :)

ML*

[potent pivot]

Np

[rose lion]

is it worth getting pvp gear or would my 730 mythic gear work out fine

[potent pivot]

you're going to want pvp gear in most slots yea

depending on spec a bit for secondary stats etc

[rose lion]

Just sin just trying to get the enchant for the season

[potent pivot]

you want mostly vers/mast

for sin

and pvp gear just has way more base vers typically etc

[rose lion]

looking at a 71 master and 31.5% vers just in pve gear should hopefully be enoug to get me started on pvp gear

[gilded gulch]

Well yeah if you had mostly sub gear its a bit easier

[rose lion]

had both really

[gilded gulch]

though sin doesnt play 4p if fb

[potent pivot]

it won't really matter at first while gearing up

but ye i'd still get pvp gear and crafted pvp gear etc

will have much more mastery

[gilded gulch]

Yeah its easier this season ig

since loom dagger is mast>vers and loom’s shoulders

you’d wear reshi boots if you have them on mythic since vers mast anyway

[rose lion]

sounds good

not looking to go ham just get to 1950

[gilded gulch]

21 is weapons

but yeah

[rose lion]

Isnt the illusion for this season only 1950?

[gilded gulch]

all of tww

weapons are 2100

Though jackpot kind of sucked

arcane is the nicest tww enchant though

[potent pivot]

yes

just do shuffle or blitz and 1950 is pretty cake

[rose lion]

That's what I heard I appreciate it didn't wanna grind Hella hard for pvp gear if I didn't have too

[potent pivot]

you can get gear really easily

look up how to farm war crates or just do pvp

[gilded gulch]

blitz cr gains feel slower

[potent pivot]

slower but easier

[gilded gulch]

mostly since i couldnt gain +100 to 2k even at 1.8

[gilded gulch]

opinion on healer diff shuffle lobbies

where one goes 6-0 and you stuck net neutral

[potent pivot]

3-3's still better than 0-6

[gilded gulch]

frost mage lobbies tilt me

mm is actually ok

[broken otter]

Are we losing Grappling Hook in Midnight?

[potent pivot]

no?

[broken otter]

Oh I had a vague thought I read it somewhere in the back of my mind. If you think we aren't then we def aren't

[potent pivot]

ye all the hook talents are still in the trees

you can check a basically all of the beta changes on wowhead n stuff

[wanton breach]

i would not want to play rogue without shs/grappling hook

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-shudder-gif-3979544

[broken otter]

Tbf I thought Grappling Hook was being replaced with Shadowstep (I was wrong)

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[lone jasper]

Shadowy duel pvp talent was my fav 🥹

[analog tapir]

hi as asssin rogue do u use cheapshot in opener on ur kill target
or do u just apply garrote and wait until u doted everyone and
then kidney and burst?or do you just cheapshot and dr kidney?

[potent pivot]

DRing your kidney is more of a last resort kinda thing

[analog tapir]

ok

is there any good assa rogue pvp streamer?

[potent pivot]

You don’t always have to open with cheap or a stun as your first global

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so rn

Very few rogue streamers left especially assa

[analog tapir]

i know but thing is i dunno how to open 🙂 i only know kidney dm shiv coldblood kingsbane envenom

[potent pivot]

Your opener is basically just trying to spread bleeds

Garrote/rupture/CT

[analog tapir]

even if it is melee i open with garrote?

[potent pivot]

Kinda depends on the situation/comp a bit

You can open with cheap but the main goal of the opener is to get bleeds rolling

More bleeds = more damage and energy

Then whenever you’re ready to burst you can do a set up with CDs etc

[analog tapir]

okok

[analog tapir]

what about in duels ? @potent pivot

[jagged quiver]

hey, do you guys know any PvP content creators for Outlaw?

[vocal surge]

What you wanna know about Outlaw?

for PvP

[gentle pelican]

Has Blizzard mentioned anywhere that the xp buff for warmode is being increased for Midnight? I'm getting 25% at the moment on beta and on Horde 30%

[jagged quiver]

idk, just a good beginners guide? I couldn't find any good ones.

[vocal surge]

Finisher Priority:
Between the Eyes > Killing Spree > Dispatch > Slice and Dice

Between the Eyes is your main source of damage
Killing Spree hits like a freight train but has a long CD
Dispatch is what you'll be pressing when neither of the above are available
Slice and Dice Cancelaura macro if BTE is off CD, you're out of range for Killing Spree, and you're not able to Dispatch anything near you.

Sinister Strike/Ambush is your bread and butter for the rotation. Weave Fan the Hammer procs after you hit 6 stacks into your rotation, dumping it mainly when you get Broadside after hitting a finisher.

RTB Buff Priority:
True Bearing >= Broadsides > Skull and Crossbones
Biggest Damage buffer: Ruthless Precision

For 0 - 1800 climb, expending all your vanish charges is fine. If you wanna climb higher than 1800, I recommend saving a Vanish charge to get a cheeky kick in on healer or a Kidney Shot --> Blind --> Sap combo off.

There's multiple viable builds for Outlaw in PvP. The main allrounder is the one you see in Murlok.io. If you want a fast dueling build where you're going to need to pop people back to back in scenarios such as BGs, I'd recommend going GSW & Heavy Hitter over CTO and more defensive talents.

PvP Talents, theres 2 talents where you can't go wrong with and thats Disarm and Smoke Bomb. You can opt out of Disarm if theres no melee on the enemy team. Smoke Bomb is harder to do so unless fighting 1 on 1. Your 3rd PvP talent depends on what you're playing with/doing. Drink Up Me Hearties is a goated all rounder for extra healing when paired with Iron Stomach. Turn the Tables is great for the extra burst needed to down stun heavy targets (Paladins/Rogues/Warriors, etc). Honor Amongst Thieves + Tricks of the Trade over Blackjack if you got a partner that can put out EXTREMELY Nasty numbers like boomies.

You're opener can look something like this
Cheap Shot --> AR + GS --> Between the Eyes

Now in terms of why we do the things we do in that order

Cheap Shot enables Double Jeopardy which flips 2 guaranteed coins that match the same outcome as the first coin you flip. In this case, its Edge Case via Adrenaline Rush

that'll cause you to flip 3 coins of both sides

Ghostly Strike then flips another one because of set bonus

So ye, out of that opener

Between the Eyes flips the final coin

You'll end up with either 6 heads & 7 tails OR 7 heads & 6 tails

1 more finisher after that to flip a #8 and you proc'd your Lucky Coin

After that you weave your rotation as normal.

In terms of when to manage coins, its once you reach the 7 Tail Coins before you should determine if you wanna stack Tail Coins and gamble for a 30 in a row (lottery style) to line up a 1-shot or continue as normal

I wouldn't recommend this on opener because ye, its when the fight's most volatile

Stat Priority wise,
20% - 25% Haste then rest into Crit/Versatility.

Mastery's kinda a meh stat in PvP

You can get some of it, but I wouldn't overcommit on it

If you're able to get your hands on mythic soulhunter boots that buff up Reshii Wrap proc rates, thats BIS even in PvP

[jagged quiver]

bro, i dont know how to tank you

❤️

[vocal surge]

YW

[jagged quiver]

i already hit like, 2600cr on all hunter specs, but outlaw look so dificulty to me

[wanton breach]

i mean you're downgrading from a F1 car to an electric scooter

[jagged quiver]

i being maining surv since BC, and this is the first time I feel like the class is completely off fantasy, idk, im autistic and playing with something so different from what I've enjoyed my whole life is really bad. Luckily for me, I love the outlaw theme and have always flirted with it.

[drowsy vine]

Anyone know the addons that highlights enemy buffs under their target frame, e.g if pala sacs the sac buff is slightly larger and it gets this glowing purple border

[ivory radish]

how are we feeling about the new glad mount'

[drowsy vine]

looks cool as far as proto drakes go tbf

could imagine it looks good in diff colours

[potent pivot]

betterblizzframes

can do the same to nameplates with betterblizzplates

goated addons

[drowsy vine]

ty

[safe palm]

Hello! im new to assa rogue and i rlly wanna learn how to open vs melee and vs casters? what in what order do i p+ress buttons? i tried asking high rated players and look on guides but i cant make anything out of it i need like a written opener and burst rotation..id appriciate it alot Like REALLY much

[potent pivot]

They are written on wowhead/iceyveins guides

[stoic spruce]

Prepatch needs to hurry

[spring bough]

Give or take a few minutes and seconds

[stoic spruce]

Ughhhhh

[spring bough]

Soon

[stoic spruce]

I miss outlaw

Granted it's a bit more simple in midnight

Than I'd like

BUT

Uhuh is gone so it's okay

[spring bough]

Everything is simple now

[stoic spruce]

True

[spring bough]

No more weak auras king

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw got off easy relatively speaking

[spring bough]

CC completely changed up too

Gonna be a new era

[spring bough]

Not on defensives 🪦

[stoic spruce]

I'd argue we're middle of the pack when it comes to that. Some specs got it worse. Some managed to get better somehow.

Dk came out relatively the same

Death Strike nerf for dps

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that part is rough

That's gonna take some getting used to for sure

[spring bough]

Just gonna chase down people with slow grapple can’t wait

[stoic spruce]

I've been playing remix with slow grapple and I'm starting to get over it.

Not to say it doesn't suck ofc. It absolutely blows.

If blizz had a good track record I'd say they're planning on doing something with it to justify removing fast grapple.

[spring bough]

Blizz and good track record in the same sentence 🪦

[stoic spruce]

Write a truer sentence

[rose lion]

solo shuffle ques are rough T_T

[spring bough]

Some can take a while

[ivory radish]

healers go brrrrrrr in solo shuffle haha so much easier compared to dps

[static holly]

But u gain less for what you have to go through

[wanton breach]

healers have to suffer faster

[stoic spruce]

Worth it tbh

[spring bough]

You couldn’t pay me a billion dollars to play a healer

[wanton breach]

how about 2 billion dollars?

[spring bough]

Replace the B with a T and it’s still no

[analog tapir]

do i sap healer everytme ? in sloshuffle or do i open with garrote cheap on them ?

[dark moon]

That's the fattest lie ive seen today

I'd play evoker for that amount, and even smaller one

[hazy monolith]

just had a healer run max opposite direction on maldraxxus into lock fury rsham after he pushed for a stun fear on rsham on 3 sec stun dr left, ate a predictable fear from lock while doing that, then ran back when I got feared while doing nothing and our hunter just dies to piss then starts to flame dps

[glacial barn]

Is there any rogue youtubers that discuss bgb strategy? I somehow got to 2500cr and at 3k mmr in 2 days. I need some more help lol.

[hazy monolith]

do you guys also get dcd in arena and when you log back in youre not in arena but still in the lobbys group? shits weird

you also lose no rating at all youre just there

[static holly]

@glacial barn not really. keexy does some vods but no commentary. General strats maybe stinkie

It's hard to give advice because of so many factors

[glacial barn]

Damn alright. Will watch some Keexy then. Im playing sub so but general idea of a the match is the same still. Thanks

[static holly]

@glacial barn sfury / avidance plays sub but idk never watched him. But he plays duo if I'm not wrong

[broken otter]

Hell, for that much money, I'd play a Ret Paladin!

XD

[glacial barn]

Yeah I just found out about him yesterday so. I fought him 3 times and he stomp my shit in lol

[lone jasper]

Lot of people have that problem

[lone jasper]

Akrololz and magepet ar streaming russian/english content and also nasklaga-french/english

[static holly]

@glacial barn I really like blitz but sometimes it helps to stop queuing or on different hours/days.
It's harder when you are solo and you're MMR is not high.
On low mmr it's really frustrating

[glacial barn]

I already followed Akrololz but some times hard to catch his streams.

[lone jasper]

Magepet is more active, he is streaming now btw

[glacial barn]

Yeah I found out the hard way last night lol. Just a bunch of r1s who just gapped me. Its fine though I just wanna play and learn.

[wanton breach]

are servers on EU unstable

getting dced in arenas

[lone jasper]

Ye a lot of people.

[static holly]

This. See reddit

[wanton breach]

eww reddit

[static holly]

That's fine. maybe roll a second rogue where you can try and mess around

[lone jasper]

Even they are making a lot of shit mistakes so take it easy, dont listen and have fun playin.

[glacial barn]

Yeah I got a rogue on remix and gonna level another one for next expansion. I got my elite. Might shoot for strategist but I got what I wanted. Will just play and learn now. Thank you and @lone jasper for the help

[wanton breach]

holy dc's

[hushed forum]

what is best race for alliance rogue in pve server?

[gilded gulch]

Why are you asking as if pve servers still exist

[jolly sierra]

what about that question, in a pvp thread

xd

wtf

[hushed forum]

sorry

let me be more specific

im playing on a pve server, but i want to focus on arena, so im debating on human or gnome

[jolly sierra]

night elf

[hushed forum]

lol

[jolly sierra]

why lol?

its the best ally race for rogue

[gilded gulch]

You didnt specify if this is retail or classic

[stoic spruce]

well

pve and pvp servers dont exist on retail

so if its not retail

[stoic spruce]

human

[stoic spruce]

between human and gnome

[glass hazel]

if its not 2.4k+ any race will do

like whatever

really

choose what you like the most

[jolly sierra]

his questions are sus

i don't think he is on retail

xd

[gilded gulch]

I mean if it's classic, im pretty sure gnome isnt remotely on the table for consideration.

Wasn't human so obnoxiously dominant in that era

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-in-angry-walk-in-angry-gif-13889037

Yerrrrr what’s the word Rogue family , I hope everyone had a splendid day today ✅

[potent pivot]

can prolly check out kalvish or weedtyler vods and see how they play

[potent pivot]

you should try to get a sap most of the time ye, won't always be able to in shuffle because of

[hushed forum]

Yea playing anniversary

So I should play human? Human > gnome in arena?

[stoic spruce]

yes

[gilded gulch]

i dont think gnome was ever the meta in pvp...

isnt anniversary mop

[stoic spruce]

vanilla im pretty sure

[gilded gulch]

isnt undead/orc king of vanilla

[jolly sierra]

gnome was used for mages tho

[gilded gulch]

or am i tripping

[potent pivot]

but those are horde

[stoic spruce]

youre right but hes alliance

[jolly sierra]

fkn rogues always went NE

in vanilla

[stoic spruce]

his only options are human/gnome

[gilded gulch]

why play alli in vanilla though

[stoic spruce]

why anything

[jolly sierra]

he is a patriot idk

glory to archbishop benedictus

[gilded gulch]

iirc it was undead dominant meta until they kicked wotf in the shin

then female human face 5 wotlk-wod

[potent pivot]

this isn't really the place for discussing classic regardless, and this is why

[stoic spruce]

mimimimimi

@hushed forum go human

[jolly sierra]

dude i am reaching dala or the garrison

[stoic spruce]

case closed

[jolly sierra]

and i get booted off

from game and permastuck in logout

[gilded gulch]

classic is a hard game man

/s

[jolly sierra]

frost mage is probably the hardest spec overall in vanilla

[gilded gulch]

I mean it was cool when the game was actually og vanilla, and resources were limited.

[jolly sierra]

one button is way too much

[gilded gulch]

Now the game is "solved" tbh.

There's a charm in being a dumb kid and being trolled in /1 when asking about a quest.

That you don't get in modern wow.

[jolly sierra]

or getting a random low level guy from the opposite faction in your territory

and actually both chosing to let him help you or killing him on sight

[gilded gulch]

but thats like what a guy said once, you dont actually miss vanilla gameplay you miss being a kid and not having to adult

[jolly sierra]

agree

rose tinted glasses hits hard w it

[gilded gulch]

tbh people were generally more social in oldschool dungeons

now its, join group type "1" in chat

insta

@jolly sierra One thing that has never changed in wow however, people who can't spell "rogue".

[stoic spruce]

true

I find it hard to take them seriously

[gilded gulch]

I actually dont get why it happens so much

[stoic spruce]

means red in french and thats all I can think of

outlaw red

hey guys im thinking of picking up outlaw red, any tips?

[jolly sierra]

rouge

XD

dyslexics hits hard

[spring bough]

Rouge?

[spring bough]

Yeah wait until January 20th

[stoic spruce]

yeah

means red in french

[jolly sierra]

bat

[stoic spruce]

huh

[gilded gulch]

outlaw yellow

[hazy monolith]

combat mustard

[stoic spruce]

Assassination rogue can be called Rouge Rogues

That's crazy

[spring bough]

Rouge the rogue

[analog tapir]

sorry im asking all these questions, but afther i sap healer how do i open on them i know it depends on class but can u give aany idea how it works?

[potent pivot]

What context

Like a duel against a healer? Or a healer in solo shuffle

You’d sap them then open on the dps in shuffle

[analog tapir]

well i ment soloshuffle, lets say im against 1 caster 1 melee and a hpal

[spring bough]

https://x.com/evokerlord22/status/2003232974540800180?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Don (@evokerlord22)

One of the other glad mounts of Midnight. It's not confirmed which season though.

Whatever season it is - it will be popular.

X · Dec 22, 2025, 10:35 PM

This mounts too good to be true

[hazy monolith]

turns out its for 2400 in blitz

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Ez pz

[spring bough]

I hope blitz and shuffle get a mount…. Hope…..

[gleaming sentinel]

Where do you see that? lol

[safe palm]

Hi im new to assa rogue can someone tell me how to open against dks,warrs ? in both arena and duels please i beg u..i ven offer money if just someone wanna help i cant win how much i even try with the cheap garrote rupture shiv one it works if i have a healer but not in duels?

[outer sky]

@potent pivot we probably dont want an RMT post to stay up in the discord just saying

[outer sky]

What is it about those 2 classes that youre having trouble with opening on them as opposed to other classes? Like what do they do that makes you think theyre harder to open on than anything else?

[potent pivot]

isn't rmt

[outer sky]

Offering money isnt RMT?

[potent pivot]

for coaching? no

[outer sky]

Oh wtf let me grab my venmo QR code rq then

[potent pivot]

🙄

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-training-grounds-quest-drops-hero-track-jewelry-in-midnight-379734

Hero track item from AI bot battleground? Sign me up

[vocal surge]

Aye

Let's slay the enemy

[jolly sierra]

are they trying to bring players or do a playground for andies without real rewards in pvp lol

[spring bough]

Yes

They should add pvp back to the vault while they are at it

[jolly sierra]

that will be bait for brave andies

if they decided to go adventurous

XD

[spring bough]

All they’d do is spam the new training grounds and mow down AI bots 😂

Having permanent comp stop gonna be nice for alts

[grizzled basin]

For sin r/e Sanguine blades, should I manage to stay above 50% energy most of the time (ecept burst windows) to make the most of it?

[spring bough]

They should add 1 mythic piece to the new 40 man. Get some players there too

[jolly sierra]

forcing them to face 40 other guys

yeye

would be funny

[hazy monolith]

spilled my water

[dark moon]

knowing the crybabies that are pve players this will result in "waaah, blizzard making us do pvp, waaah". No mfs, blizzard aint making you do shit.

[wanton breach]

I'm not gonna judge someone just on their win loss ratio but strangulating a warrior who has spellreflect up....

[jolly sierra]

i have one worse

but i need to search him

had like 4k games

[wanton breach]

hyper?

I've played with a lot of random people in 2v2 and the amount of utility and defensive used is in like the 10% range

[jolly sierra]

lemme look for it after job

[restive vessel]

Hello, between flagelation, blades, dance and symbols, in what order is it optimal to press them in arena?

[slate ingot]

Shadowstrike into evis
Dance blades symbols cheap sectec shadowstrike evis cheap evis

I think thats the usual sub opener in pvp

[spring bough]

put a wow token on the AH over 6 hours ago and its still not sold.....

[glass hazel]

game is dead till prepatch imho

[dark moon]

It's gonna be a even deader in prepatch tbh

[restive vessel]

Dead af queue times 15 days

Wow white knights be like

[lone goblet]

Is shuffle or blitz easier to get 2100 do you think?

I want to unlock the weapon tints

[spring bough]

either is pretty fast

[lone goblet]

Last season I waited until the last week to start pvping and only made it to 2096 before hitting a losing streak and got frustrated. So I'm being smart and giving myself a whole month this time.

But the less games it takes the better.

[potent pivot]

shuffle would likely be quicker, but blitz usually easier

[jolly sierra]

do something funnier

i am trying to get the proven healer title with the ret

lol

[wanton breach]

do it on rogue

[jolly sierra]

w bandages

[jolly sierra]

got it

now i have the three proven titles

[pliant mauve]

Haven’t played in months since deathstalker was all the rage and I’m seeing now that barely anyone is playing it. Trying to take advantage of this 2500 mmr but I think I’m misunderstanding something about FB. Is the big dam coming from tails into shiv, deathmark, vanish, kingbane?

Or some shit like that? I’m playing so much clunkier as FB than I was as DS.

[potent pivot]

It’s from coin damage in general and kb

You can also just play DS still

[lime oar]

i wouldn’t worry so much about using vanish for extra coin dmg

[hoary spade]

Is RMP best with Assa or sub now?

[spring bough]

https://x.com/jaybeezyx/status/2003733749524234383?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

jaybeezyx (@jaybeezyx)

never have i been more tilted by something in shuffle

X · Dec 24, 2025, 7:45 AM

I’m gonna use this 🔥

[hazy monolith]

Explosive Shot into Rapid Fire into Trueshot into instant Aimed Shot

[jolly sierra]

go back to animal crossing

[dark moon]

hahahahah

[wanton breach]

oh my god that made me laugh out loud

[safe palm]

is there a guide out there that explains in detail? caus i got intellectual disability makes it harder to learn stuff..ii looked online but only old guides from season 2..are those guides still viable ?

[gleaming sentinel]

Won’t bother me I love housing rofl

[dark moon]

https://youtu.be/Z48eTXm7HCM?si=6xtC32iVfQe53ZJs

[spring bough]

games are pretty quick today

[restive vessel]

how to sap after kidneyshot or blind I seem to miss something? very new to rogue

[fathom crag]

no longer possible with CC change

can kidney => blind => sap tho

or any stun => blind => sap

[restive vessel]

Ok, do I need to macro any stop attack on the blind target for sap to work after or do I just need Vanish/dance?

[fathom crag]

nah dont need any stop attack or w/e

just a regular focus sap macro

[restive vessel]

Ok and general burst combo is blades -> dance -> symbol -> SS -> evi ?

cheapshots inbetween?

[fathom crag]

cant rly tell sub rotation is every situational

but i would say

shadowstrike to build combo points

and spend with either secret tech or evis

prefer evis if people are stacking so u dont break CCs with secret tech

[glacial barn]

this what Avidance told me but idk if its diff for arenas. "just cheap shot evis shadowstrike secret tech, cheap shot evis cheap shot evis"

[safe pelican]

🤣😭😭 this is gold

[dark moon]

Merry chrysler, you beautiful people

[neon jasper]

Wait rogue cant sap off blind????

Thats a huge nerf wtf

[stoic spruce]

Did you read the whole thing? Lol

You can but it has to be gouge into blind into sap

Or kidney into blind

Blind duration doesn't last long enough

[neon jasper]

Nah I was in the plane

I was pretty sure u could

Nvm so x > blind > sap

[stoic spruce]

Correct

Goober

[vocal surge]

Its been like that

for quite some time now

[spring bough]

Blizz hates rogue

[outer sky]

Well

Let me clarify this

So it takes 6 seconds for combat to drop and blind lasts 5 seconds

So if you blind, combat wont drop before the blind ends so you cant sap off of it

But you only need 1 more second

And it doesnt need to be of your own CC

I watch for shit like this all the time

Like if the healer is casting a heal

That'll take more than 1 seconds to cast

So hes out of combat for 1s

Blind him before he finishes the cast

Then combat will drop before the blind ends

Just anything at all

Watch for moments when the healer may not have done anything to keep combat for as little as 1 second

Then blind

And you'll be able to sap off of it

[spring bough]

How’s the Christmas Day pvp going

[wanton breach]

just saw an arms warrior disarming a holy priest

[hazy monolith]

holy scheiße

[restive vessel]

Hey people, can someone tell me possible reasons why my sap after blind isn’t working?

[potent pivot]

zicore just explained it 3 messages up

[restive vessel]

Attention span, tnx

[potent pivot]

it takes 6 seconds for combat to drop, blind is only 5 sec

:p

nowadays you have to blind off of another CC in order to blind->sap

x->blind->sap

[restive vessel]

Right, so another cc before blind and then sap.

Does shadowstep enter combat?

[potent pivot]

shadowstep on its own no, but if you start auto attacking the target, that will

[restive vessel]

Ok and does combat dropping count before blind to sap or only after blind?

[potent pivot]

huh

[restive vessel]

So if a person doesn’t do anything or get hit by anything for 1 second before blind, will sap work on them immediately

[potent pivot]

it can start the 6sec before blind

yes but thats basically a gamble

[lime oar]

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[restive vessel]

Are there any must haves macros for sub

[outer sky]

More and more ive been doing shit like watching to see the healer cast healing surge, holy light, regrowth, etc etc then I'll vanish>blind them. Combat almost always drops while I still have subterfuge so I can sap off it

[hazy monolith]

AWC next season: https://x.com/shitpost_2049/status/2004088558903071162?s=46&t=272UXsai3Te9rgv6WfZMlg

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X · Dec 25, 2025, 7:15 AM

[safe pelican]

Top secret stuff buddy

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[waxen meteor]

Been a while since i logged on last time, did NE racial get nerfed at retail?

[potent pivot]

no

[waxen meteor]

hmmm why my meld doesn't trigger the 6s stealth skills anymore

[stoic spruce]

Its always been unreliable

[coral scarab]

I made an earthen rogue and a contemplation recuperate stealth macro works. You can heal for 10% a sec as soon as you can restealth.

It has to be a castsequence for stealth though.

[potent pivot]

meld alone never did

[wanton breach]

i wish it would work with subterfuge though

[gusty hedge]

this is nice the earthens racial heal plus recuperate is op, now to have it being able to stealth and pop out at 100% is nice

[lapis breach]

good morning folks, just joined the discord, returning to wow after about a year, getting geared up again for pvp on my assn. can anyone please recommend a server? i'm on chromaggus and it feels pretty dead. also, should i be using fatebound or deathstalker? not sure how to decide which to use. thanks for that, and any other direction!

answered my own question, murlok.io has everyone as fatebound! server advice most welcome, and anything else, i'm way out of the loop... i assume crippling+wound poisons are still best?

[gusty hedge]

for server it can vary on faction population plus time of day, Sargeras dragonblight/Kel thuzad cluster, For alliance, tichondrius cluster for horde/ there is alliance but later on in the day evenings when people off work. assuming warmode enabled. dnt know of any other cluster realms.

crippling and wound for pvp 100%

there is a site that shows what realms/servers are clustered together, i myself cannot seem to find it sorry

[lapis breach]

all good, thanks for trying! i'll look at the ones you recommended. i do like that chromaggus is underpopulated so i get the bonuses

is there any must-do PvE stuff i should be aware of for top pvp gear?

i'm also going to assume season changes relatively soon so crafting gear would be unwise?

[gusty hedge]

crafting rings and neck is a go for emeblishments still, u should get 9 heraldies for a bg win. Not too sure on other crafted pieces for sin, mostly murlok.io has a compiled list of what top users are wearing.
also gearing is pretty ez right if u crate farm(join a crate farm group in lfg pvp) but its boring at times as your flying zone to zone(also should unlock undermine siren isle and karesh before attempting to crate farm as you'll be limited to crate drops)

[lapis breach]

thanks, yeah, i did try crate farming and it was... time-consuming. don't have all those zones unlocked yet, so that made it more inefficient. doing the entire campaign to do so feels like it would take many hours though

rings and neck, got it

[lapis breach]

do i need to upgrade to midnight for anything pvp-related?

[glacial barn]

not for the war within

[vocal surge]

First game

4-2

at 2400

last round just nuked the DH in opener

[wanton breach]

just waited 25 minutes just to notice this dogshit ass game jumbled up my keybindings from 2 servers and now none of my abilities wre doing what they were supposed to do

fucking archaic game structures just combining keybindings from two characters on 2 different servers