pvp

[dark kernel]

But I played thug VW

I'm trying to play Dancing mainly. I don't have RMP

[stoic spruce]

Trust me I get it

Being right all the time is so hard on the mental

[gleaming sentinel]

A lonely road

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooo i need this gif

Is this confirmed 🤔Season 3 ending dec.2 ??

Then two weeks of downtime or 1 I can’t remember

[dark kernel]

That's MoP classic compadre

Roughly 8-10 weeks left in retail and maybe more because there's some rumors of Midnight delays

[fathom crag]

human alliance ud horde

[stoic spruce]

oh man

undead rogue

how it fell from grace

[spring bough]

Rogue* fixed it for u

Can’t wait to CC every two minutes in PvP

[stoic spruce]

why are you CCing every 2 minutes?

[spring bough]

It’s an exaggeration brother lol

[stoic spruce]

Can't be too careful with people in wow discords

[gleaming sentinel]

Full kidney every 30 ez

[safe pelican]

Kopy that’s what i was thinking 🔒

Full Kidney off CD regardless of DRs is the only way

[dark moon]

i still can't get over 30 sec kidney cd

[stoic spruce]

I don't mind it

Lines up with CDs better

[gleaming sentinel]

Makes it easier for an idiot like me

[stoic spruce]

Also true

[dark kernel]

After them reducing cheap shot, they should have at least give us the one second back on kidney

[stoic spruce]

Gonna be like bfa without the grind

Mmmmmm

No uhuh 🤤

[dark kernel]

Just excited for new

[spring bough]

I miss it already

[stoic spruce]

Glad it's gone

If it were a physical object I'd chuck it in a river

Part of why it sucks to play rn

[gleaming sentinel]

blade rush is a cool looking spell

[hidden moth]

Tf is it

[spring bough]

UHUH

[hidden moth]

Tf is thattttt

[safe pelican]

Wait what are they doing to cheap shot ?

[hidden moth]

1 charge

12 second cd

So uh

Have fun with it being one use per vanish unless ur sub

[stoic spruce]

Sap breaks stealth

[lime oar]

[spring bough]

UHUH

[dark kernel]

In midnight? There's no way that's not a bug

[gleaming sentinel]

epic tank sesh after internet crash and a cuple 1-5s

but i did it

2600 -> 2350, and back up

lol

5th legend

[dark kernel]

You are just insane.

I'm sending my last few games outlaw since I picked up engine finish my Assa gearing

Pray to God Assa is as stupid proof as you all make it sound

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk if it’s stupid proof, it just has a very obvious win condition

Outlaw not as obvious

[dark kernel]

That's because outlaw doing damage is a literal coin flip and assassination is guaranteed

[gleaming sentinel]

And kingsbane just slaps

[outer sky]

actually right now both of their damage profiles are coin flips 🙂

Any tips on what I should use my level 80 boost on? I bought Midnight last week and still haven't used it

[dark kernel]

i dont know

[lime oar]

what don’t you have as an 80

more simple, what 80’s do you already have

[icy crystal]

For assass are you all running deadly poison instead of wound poison when running the shiv talent that applies healing reduction? It doesn't look like the healing reduction stacks so not clear to me if it's worth it to keep up the wound poison reduction between shiv's vs the extra dmg from deadly poison in the burst window

[potent pivot]

run wound basically always, but ye they don't stack

[hidden moth]

its extra insurance for burst

esp bc ur using shiv during kb window to buff its damage more

[icy crystal]

Thanks

[outer sky]

Rogue, monk, evoker, shaman, hunter, pally

[spring bough]

rogue x 5

[outer sky]

x3 but ngl im considering using this boost on a 4th rogue

[wanton breach]

I member when they did stack

[true warren]

as sub rogue
should i macro thistle tea with small burst (dance + sod) or with big burst?

[potent pivot]

you can macro tea with dance and generally be ok

may waste some if you dance for CC but it is what it is if you're going to use macros anyway

[lime oar]

same lmao i have 4

[lime oar]

i like warr, just nice to turn ur brain off and still do dmg

[opal tide]

what specc would you guys recommend for 2's with a healer?

[dark moon]

What class are you playing?

[opal tide]

rogue + any healer

[dark moon]

Assa fatebound kingsbane build

Or outlaw if you enjoy it

[opal tide]

do they perform similar?

[dark moon]

Can't tell, haven't touched outlaw since shadowlands

Just seeing the ladder there are outlaw rogues between all the assa, but mainly it's assa

[opal tide]

alright, just plan on going for 2.1 for the mogs so guess assa will be fine

thanks, appreciate it

[dark moon]

You're welcome. Do tell how it goes, cause I bet it's enjoyable

Less stops than 3s etc

[opal tide]

guess the hardest part will be finding someone who wants to play with someone that hasn't played since df s1

[grave basin]

hmm i wanna play ww i hope my next lobby is fun

of course

[gleaming sentinel]

lol

[grave basin]

biggust kekus

[dark kernel]

you got Cabal'd

[grave basin]

hows the outlaw life

[dark kernel]

brother the week I had was so absolutely terrible I have rarely played in 3 weeks.

[grave basin]

terrible irl or in game

[dark kernel]

I finally sent my first game after hitting like 2100 and ate a 0-6 to a ret paladin who didnt know how to use half his defensives, like actually didnt use them the entire lobby

IRL

I finally have run it back to 2100 but im picking up assa to play

fuck it

[grave basin]

assa is fun when you yolo crit kingsbane into crit envenom

and kill from 70%

[dark kernel]

it is so stupid because my gear is nowhere even near correct yet but im getting close

but its just like "oh that person is 50% hp they are just dead"

and then theya re

[grave basin]

i feel the same as ww

can just log like unholy dk and play worse and get better results

[dark kernel]

the only issue im having

is a lot of assa guide stuff is outdated

so im piecing together some stuff

like I dont know our current best combo, I think I got it

for 1 shots

[grave basin]

not really

nothing changed since the first few weeks

[dark kernel]

im just not good at assa

[lime oar]

shiv em

deathmark em

cb kingsbane envemon

Dead

[dark kernel]

welp

i suck at assa

im unsubbing

i cant bother

im just bored

[grave basin]

bruh

[dark kernel]

what

sorry guys, i don't want to aids this place anymore so i'm leaving, gl everyone with your goasl and have a good holiday.

[lime oar]

bro ur good

[sharp sierra]

Damn

He just like me fr

[dark moon]

i know its too much tinfoil hat, but i swear sometimes it feels like im facing counters on every char queue shuffle with

[dark moon]

ive been playing with destiny defined and feels better than inevitable end for shuffle at least

cause I can get easy kills when someone's at or below 50% and just cold blood kingsbane into next round

[gleaming sentinel]

Don’t let shuff get to you bro

[grave basin]

it just gaem

dont take it too hard

[grave basin]

apparantly one of my UH dk talents is bugged

and there's a "new" build

petkick linked it to me and i went from 2.1 to 2.2 insta

[grave basin]

ima be real my g i have no idea what those talents do

i think inevitable end is the the reverse funnel one

envenom does more dam if it hits no one else

destiny defined i have no idea

[dark moon]

one makes your cold blood affect two envenoms, the other spends cold blood for kingsbane

[lime oar]

just tried it on dummies and ngl i like destiny defined more as well

[hidden moth]

Tbh its not the

Guarantee crit if envenom that’s good it’s the fact it guarantees 2 x edge case flips

[formal pebble]

Would yall reccomend assassination or sub for pairing with ret in 2s. I main sub in pve.

[hidden moth]

Either is fine assa is a big more cc via garrote silence but both would be fine

[harsh kiln]

think they're gonna put in some pvp tuning b4 expac?

[potent pivot]

There will definitely be be more base tuning before launch but yeah I’d imagine so

[harsh kiln]

it'ss about time i feel like

[potent pivot]

Then we’ll also prolly get tuning a couple times weeks in

[spring bough]

have we ever got tuning during turbulent timeways

[harsh kiln]

i'm not ssure

but i really want some b4 season ends. rmp outlaw/fire is just completely sweat to play atm, would be nice to have some tuning to hunters

[potent pivot]

Oh you meant live tuning, I thought you meant tuning on beta mb

Dunno if we’ll see anymore live tuning before launch ngl

[gleaming sentinel]

I had cope after awc

I have cope for after mdi

[spring bough]

idt we see tuning until midnight goes live RIP

[harsh kiln]

Hope not otherwise ill say goodbye to glad title again

[sharp sierra]

Holy hell some of these other class discords PvP channels are legit whiners

[stoic spruce]

Which ones

[lime oar]

rogue discord is goated

[stoic spruce]

Idk

One of the better ones for sure

[fathom crag]

is there a world this is good in SSM at lava only ?

since everyone will be stacked

tryna cook a tf build

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah they are phoning it in at this point

Midnight too soon to care about live pvp tuning

Sorry lads, it’s 8m instant aimed shots until February

[stoic spruce]

HASTA LUEGO BITCH

RiP the goat tho

And an OG

Bros a day 1

Literally

[dark moon]

Ofc, just saying that I had better time sniping cheeky kills without any setup with cold blood kingsbane crit

[safe pelican]

lol man i was busy at work just seeing this , what the fuck ??

Stunbots forced to play sub now , so what about sub , no cd like before ?

12 second cd is absolutely diabolical activity

Just remove the button lmao wth

[spring bough]

RIP

[stoic spruce]

had that in every expac since legion

[lone jasper]

after pushing to 2008 i met 2 mm hunter and ele shamy and i lost every game because they where hiting 7 milion everytime. im giving up. hate this game

[gleaming sentinel]

everyone has a bad lobby buddy

the amount of fotm hunters calling you bad when they just piss random binding shot beofr eyour goes is so crazy at lower mmr lol

[lone jasper]

I kidney their healer shadowsteped to kill target and was dead in air

Its not fair

[gleaming sentinel]

u def wanna use kidney on a dps, and evasion or disarm the trueshot

[lone jasper]

Everygame 2 mm on me than mm + ele on me with enormous damage. I was disappearing

[wanton breach]

Tbf that lobby sounds like pain. You'll get blasted regardless of who you cc

[hollow stratus]

jo pvp cracks one question how do i farm mark of honor fast

[dark moon]

Don't give up mate. I was 15-30 rating (1 lobby) away from 2.4 4 times and dropped to 2.1 cause i raged after losing the promotion lobbies cause of people trolling or caster/ret teams

Just a bad session, try later or tomorrow again

[gleaming sentinel]

daily win in all the regular game modes and rated game modes

or just spam shuff

[dark moon]

Play round pillars if u don't have dmg, let your teammates play 2v3 until you get restealths or wait for kingsbane

[dark moon]

What Pk said + spamming shuffles as healer

[lone jasper]

Tried, kind of, (you do it automatically, trying to run out and kite from that damage) but they still rolled over me with Insta shots. Trapping and coming from both sides) Thanks, my friend, for the encouragement.

[hollow stratus]

dh healer :d

[hollow stratus]

but u need to winh ?

i mean why do glad weapons cost 80 marks

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea need a win

[gleaming sentinel]

Can’t answer that idk

[dark moon]

well there are comps that are impossible to win, but most are not like that. Step healer and get out of line of fire

[dark moon]

i think 3 lobbies for a box

if im not mistaken

[dark moon]

cause its an arsenal containing all types of weapons. I havent done the math if buying everything 1 by 1 is cheaper or not (would guess not)

[hollow stratus]

u cant buy anything without purchasing the arsenal

[dark moon]

oh, I see

i remember there was an option previously, but maybe they removed the single weapons when they added the arsenals

[hollow stratus]

i need dragonflight stuff

[molten hedge]

Yea I was gonna say in shuffle I just play for bomb and one shotting by myself half the time

[hollow stratus]

idk why it has to be 80 man

30 would be enough

[lime oar]

just gotta play more

i had like a 1000 marks at one point, i know people probably have ungodly amounts just from playing so much over the years

[dark moon]

i played some shuffle in df cause i didnt have a guild to raid with, and got a lot of elite sets + was using my resto druid to farm conquest for alts and i had 2k marks in less than a season i think

[hollow stratus]

but i hate pvp XD

[dark moon]

oh, thats why 80 marks is a lot for you

[hollow stratus]

yes

[dark moon]

another way is the arathi comp stomp brawl

that you fight the computer and win under 5 minutes

its a great way to get exalted with the league of arathor/defilers and get the juicy tabard

[hollow stratus]

but i need to wait for it to be active right

[dark moon]

yes

it will become permanent mode in midnight, but im not sure what the rewards will be

[gleaming sentinel]

Imagine if they nerf fire mage / marks hunter and kingsbane on Monday night

[dark moon]

dont care about the first two, but assa will be unplayable

[hollow stratus]

so basicall there is no easy f ast way to get zo 80 marks

i miss pvp wq from legion :/

[gleaming sentinel]

Nope not really, gotta PvP

[hollow stratus]

legion pvp wq were great for that

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk I enjoy playing the game lol

[jolly sierra]

u need to pvp

xd

[wanton breach]

You can collect the BFA shadow lands and DF war caches for conquest and honor. Not really any real competition in old content war mode

[jolly sierra]

but will need to wait a lot

for every fortnite box

[sharp sierra]

Yeah I don’t think any of those zones have a timer add on

That sounds like it would take years

[hollow stratus]

anyway i cant just farm for an hour or so

[jolly sierra]

yes

with pvp

lol

[sharp sierra]

I usually do crates till 2500 for weap then fill rest of slots with honor

Otherwise it’s 3 1/2 hours to fully cap

[jolly sierra]

i get them on loads via skirmishes

or shuffle or blitz

[hollow stratus]

80 marks in 1 hour ?

[sharp sierra]

I will only do that first season when you can buy ah gear. Not gonna sit and get farmed for hours till I have enough to only have honor

Oh marks

[jolly sierra]

nope, but bunch of them

i have like 1k of them by just playing normally

and just gotta spend them for 50g recipes xd

[dark moon]

oh god, please not the fornite boxes

[dark moon]

you can use the warcrate addon for tww in the old zones

[hollow stratus]

normal pvp but i dont do pvp

[jolly sierra]

u will need to

they are not tradeable

[hollow stratus]

ye but pvp players just run old pve content to get their transmog

is that fairness ?

[jolly sierra]

well, u don't have legacy pvp because there is no brand new battlegrounds per season

and we don't decide that we are not blizzard devs xdd

[hollow stratus]

never said ur responsible but its unfair anyway

[jolly sierra]

old customs, when i used to receive clients they were like about to gunpoint at me because prices lol

like the one attending public is the one placing the prices lol

[wanton breach]

[lone jasper]

Love brewmaster monk in SS 😒

If someone has cursed me and that’s why I’m getting these combos in solo shuffle, please tell me, I’m ready to pay the price in natura.

[spring bough]

love me a random dungeon finder. not one word typed by anyone. tank pulled everything. on 3rd boss and group randomly boots me.... wish this game told u why u got vote booted =/

[gleaming sentinel]

💀

were you afk? lol

[spring bough]

no i was doing the most damage too....

[gleaming sentinel]

did you say anything?

[spring bough]

not one word... just a random heroic in remix tryna level up lol

[gleaming sentinel]

strange

[spring bough]

just tryna dps my lock heart out and got the boot for no reason lol

i mean i soulstoned myself tho is that like a no no? lol

[jolly sierra]

nah no reason

people is weird af sometimes

dont blame urself

[true warren]

any macro for tricks of the trade in shuffle? or what other pvp talents make sense in a caster lobby as sub rogue? the sprint one is nice but nobody play it on murlok

[potent pivot]

use framesort addon or something so you can make a macro that casts it on the other dps on your team

[true warren]

how would the macro look? i tried /target [@party1] or something like this as i saw on google and just switch the number as needed but it wasn't working

[potent pivot]

the addon will have special macros listed in it's description

[true warren]

ah ok nice. i'll try that. thanks

[potent pivot]

iirc there's like 2 different addons that can do it similarly, but framesort should be all you need iirc

then you just make healer always frame 1 or 3 for example, and the other dps always frame 2, etc

[true warren]

is it the one that sorts gladiusex frames?

ah ok i guess so haha

[molten hedge]

You want Dynamic Macros @true warren

It’s a smart addon that automatically uses it on your dps

[outer sky]

this is like the 4th DK ive messaged who's said this

[gleaming sentinel]

sadge

the path of least resistance

[outer sky]

yeah i mean i dont blame him at all

anything with an MM hunter right now isn't even a comp

its just 2 guys supporting a 1 shot machine

[jaunty mirage]

Can my destro lock have a talent where I can proc instant, full damage chaos bolts that cost zero shards

[jaunty osprey]

lmao fresh rogue

2700 mmr after 16 games :^)

[gleaming sentinel]

Assa moonkin?

[jaunty osprey]

yessssir

assa boomy stonks up

this is my other alt

[lone jasper]

Omg, that’s awesome

[fathom crag]

sick

wish we had boomies in eu

[jaunty osprey]

trimaz x petkick WHEN

[fathom crag]

we did play was a blast

but dont think dk rogue is as good as df

[true warren]

can anyone help me with framesort macro for tricks? i copied this from the addon to cast tricks automatically on the other DPS but it's a mousover even tho the mouseover macro looks different

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
#FrameSort Frame1
/cast [mod:ctrl,@none][mod:shift,@none][mod:alt,@Player][] Tricks of the Trade

should add that frame 1 is my healer but for the sake of testing in skirmish i used frame 1

those are the premade macros and supported variables

[potent pivot]

try the other addon too

dynamic macros addon

[true warren]

ok i'll try. i found framesort discord too right now will ask there

[tight hill]

#FrameSort DPS1
/cast [@none][] Tricks of the Trade

the addon should update the cast @none every game due to the header

[stoic spruce]

assa/dk pretty good tbh

but

not MM :(

[true warren]

addon author in their discord gave me this but haven't had the time to test it yet

you can do it like this:

#FrameSort OtherDps
/cast [@none,help] Tricks of the Trade

the other DPS part is nice since i won't have to adjust for 2v2 because in 3v3 healer is always frame 1

[grave basin]

the framesort dps works?

wtf i didnt even know you could have that command

[spring bough]

https://x.com/chrissyxchi/status/1992642736294617262?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

chrissy 🦇 (@chrissyxchi)

if the world of warcraft servers were shutting down where would you park your character and leave it forever?

X · Nov 23, 2025, 5:13 PM

Where would you park your character for its final resting place if this happened 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

Moonglade

[pastel burrow]

winterspring, dun morogh, or grizzly hills

[spring bough]

OG orgrimmar ontop of the bank

[dark moon]

Either grizzly hills at the start of the log riding quest, or Undercity near the cockroach vendor with a campfire and a fishing chair and the picnic basket so my char doesn't sit directly on the floor

[vocal surge]

Boralus Harbor

[jolly sierra]

eversong woods or hillsbrad foothills

[spring bough]

https://x.com/evokerlord22/status/1992691470722351262?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Don (@evokerlord22)

WOW awesome change. The new legend/strategist pennants are cloaks. So you can actually show them off finally.

Unfortunately on Beta, the old ones are still toys.

Can someone get confirmation if these toys will be converted to cloaks? Asking on the forums surely won't work.

X · Nov 23, 2025, 8:27 PM

New pennants are cloaks??? Love the change

[jolly sierra]

OOF

that is a good change

ngl

[gleaming sentinel]

We already have a PvP cloak… just make the toy usable in arena god damn it

[spring bough]

These are the new exclusive ones 😂

[jolly sierra]

its ridiculous to get a thing from arena and not being able to use it there wtf

[safe pelican]

Is there a customer support phone # for Blizzard at all ?? Or do i have to wait for this slow ass GM ticket response to get back into my account

[spring bough]

Put a billing ticket in. A real person will deal with that. Anything else some AI robot slop

[bitter charm]

Whats CB?

[spring bough]

Cold blood

[bitter charm]

ty

[true warren]

i wanna uninstall after that ngl

[lone jasper]

I feel you 🙃

[safe pelican]

It’s 2025 we could at least outsource these calls to Bangladesh like Amazon this is bullshit

All cause i changed my phone number foolishness

Who knew changing my number would bar me from the great world of Azeroth

2FA is the devil , don’t let them fool you.

[hazy monolith]

this and not a single dispell on roots, binding shot or trap

[sharp sierra]

whats funny about that is i have like 15 OW accts and even 6 different HWIDs ive never once been asked to verify the phone number

Even if you null the serials it doesnt ask 😭

[harsh kiln]

what's that ret pally falling down stairs meme?

[harsh kiln]

Thanks i needed to see that

[jolly sierra]

the best trending in the thread

[fading blade]

if u dc in ss, do you lose mmr

[spring bough]

I don’t think much if any but you’ll be -150 CR

[fading blade]

damn, hope i get the cr back

[outer sky]

4m coin flip LOL

[hidden moth]

2v2 assa disc is so freee

[gleaming sentinel]

I was convinced we’d see tuning last night

[dark moon]

Congratulations, you played yourself

[lime oar]

man if they keep the current pacing in beta …

it’s so bad

[stoic spruce]

It's so sad

It's so sad, even a Devil May Cry...

https://tenor.com/view/cry-devil-may-cry-3-lady-crying-here-i-thought-i-wasnt-gonna-cry-gif-22874691

[hazy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-cat-boxing-lethargic-disinterested-gif-14128609

this is how it feels rn

[lime oar]

someone confirm/ jog my memory but wasn’t bfa like this. i didn’t play much pvp back then

but i mildly remember having little to no burst potential

[spring bough]

Tuning is gonna happen when midnight releases on live

[stoic spruce]

Games went on forever

[gleaming sentinel]

BFA PvP wasn’t my fav

[spring bough]

I played one season of pvp for bfa. Hit 1600 and left till SL season two 😂

[stoic spruce]

Might be the same angle for yall

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk I’ve been playing a lot of different specs this season and I just prefer outlaw. My beloved

[spring bough]

What play S1 midnight then come back S2 the last titan? 😂

[stoic spruce]

ye

[hazy monolith]

you are cooking sir

[jolly sierra]

bfa s4 was a fucking mess

[hidden moth]

Tbf

Looks like pvp in midnight is going away from cc chains and Burst into a

Let’s meet up and hit each other and see who dies first

[jolly sierra]

the game really is turning dumber, does it?

first addons, then a lot of spell removal

[hidden moth]

Games gonna lose a lot of skill expression imo

[oak imp]

Which spec bursts harder in current patch? Sin or Sub?

[jolly sierra]

ret

[spring bough]

I kinda like that tho

BRAWL TILL U DROP

And what’s outlaw best at ? Brawling

[oak imp]

Guys im trying to figure out what spec to play for pvp

Can somebody help me out

[jolly sierra]

play ret dude, its the safe option

xd

[potent pivot]

You can generally do fine as any spec

[dark moon]

shuffle or blitz?

[hidden moth]

Ye but uh

Assa and sub lost their identity

[hidden moth]

Bgb sub shuffle assa

[hidden moth]

Yes but when wanting path of least resistance playing meta goes far

[spring bough]

Good thing I’m an outlaw at heart

[bitter charm]

Where can I find the BiS gear? Someone sent me Whaxx as a Screenshot, but on this I cant see the stats on the crafted things

[spring bough]

Take a look at Murlok to see what people are using

[fluid trench]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-yoshi-hammer-hit-gif-14834810

[hidden moth]

Spec?

[bitter charm]

Assa

[bitter charm]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/ravencrest/finnëas/pvp

Why is he playing 2-set?

[spring bough]

Cause 4 set desyncs kings bane lining up with trinket cooldown

And you always wanna have the trinket up for kingsbane

[bitter charm]

Okay, so 2-set is the way?

[hidden moth]

bc fatebound 4 set is dooki

bc its nerfed to 1/3rd value in pvp so uh

its like 7 second cdr for ur 2 min cd

just better to have a better stat spread

[bitter charm]

Okay, thanks

[lime oar]

the mog is crazy tuff

[hidden moth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sAgXYUQcZA7KvEvipZpMuh

should give u the items u want

ignore the sim dps etc thats all pve bs but the gear list is correct

[spring bough]

Yes

[hidden moth]

pvp stats juicin

[gleaming sentinel]

title goes hard, love that one

[tidal snow]

Guys how hard is it to get elite set atm?

[hidden moth]

free

[tidal snow]

O. O

I will try : P

[hidden moth]

i fucking hate dev vokers

stole a round

[safe pelican]

Of course my first game back is temple 😒

[jolly sierra]

what? blizzard is very shameless spoiling rets rotten lol

[lime oar]

is that shit annoying to do? it’s the delve boss right

[gleaming sentinel]

I had a tough time for a bit but it’s been nerfed since

[hidden moth]

just made a aug quit

went 4-0

kekw

aug afk'd out on first round i was to play with him

though i prob would quit if i died to a death from above envenom XD

[hidden moth]

its kyveza solo

yeah its not bad tbh

[lime oar]

i haven’t even done the story to unlock it

[hidden moth]

u know the cloak

from the story is

bis right?

[lime oar]

i have that

i thought i had to do more than that.

[hidden moth]

go do delves till u can run a +11

thats it

[gleaming sentinel]

limited time title, may as well work at it

sweet rogue title

[hidden moth]

<contract killer>

for rogue is just crisp

gonna have to figure out how to trim recordings bc

man

Kb into death from above on the evoker who just used hover to make distance so i cant envenom and the DFA kills him is just

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[safe pelican]

Why is disc priest still a walking 3 man mission -_-

Is assa the only spec giving decent pressure to disc rn ?? I don’t see how sub or pirate gets its done these mfs just don’t die

[fluid trench]

No I mean that's the Templar ret coming and hitting one button

[molten hedge]

Got both my assas elite ln

[tidal snow]

yoo

gratz!

How hard was the grind?

[hidden moth]

holy fuck mm hunters

[hidden moth]

pulled the W

[molten hedge]

wasnt too bad. i have a third rog i just made thats 2300 mmr and 26-10 so maybe i get that one 2.4k and do legend wins or something idk haha

[jolly sierra]

ah fuck em

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeexoooo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[safe pelican]

The urge to ball out and get the swift zulian tiger this weekend grows larger

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocked-oh-damn-and-i-oop-im-dead-gif-8020162073998133143

Me everytime i see someone with the mount

[pearl bane]

@fathom crag

[fathom crag]

@pearl bane

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

My goat.

[true warren]

in a sub/disc/mage comp, is frost or fire better?

[gleaming sentinel]

fire

[pearl bane]

What’s good pk

[jaunty mirage]

Had a fire mage/uhdk/arms lobby last night and I died first round with the mage on my team and he started laughing and talking shit immediately then proceeds to go 1-5

[vocal surge]

Cocky Mage moment lol

He got what he deserved, a bad lobby

[jaunty mirage]

Just kinda wild you can get 2300+ playing the way he did

[pale storm]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/24243639-world-of-warcraft-midnighttm-goes-live-march-2/

[spring bough]

Yeah they won’t be ready

[safe pelican]

Yea i see 0 advantage to buying the beta here

They got me with TWW & the poors didn’t miss out on shit but early access to questing tbh

Unless you really want that mount which will be available some kind of other way after release

[spring bough]

Prob trading post recolor a month after launch

[hidden moth]

Tbh extra 3 days to level

Got 13 classes and more toons to level and early farm on mats goes hard

I mean u gotta get $50 version

$40 upgrade gives u
30 days game time ($15 value)
So the upgrade is only $25

$25 for all the mounts and the character boost and 3 day early play and beta is

Kinda worth tbh

[spring bough]

Also get a free level 80 boost

[hidden moth]

I mentioned it

[spring bough]

Yeah ima be real I only read the first line of that wall of text

[hidden moth]

Valid

[safe pelican]

I mean yea the game time being squeezed in there makes it better , wish there was actually something exclusive to the early version everything that’s exclusive is still available in game, i need some sort of gate keeping for paying extra imo still gunna buy it tho just gotta vent first 🙂‍↕️🦦😂

Free 80 boost for yet another rogue , yes

[spring bough]

Have u figured out that housing items cost actual $$ yet? 😂

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooo you’ve could’ve waited a little longer to drop this bomb on me i don’t even understand this housing update , smells like a cash grab from miles away what are we about to do have Azeroth club / house party xpac

[spring bough]

There’s a whole new housing currency that costs dollars to buy it 😭

My house is gonna have one free chair in it and that’s it

[hidden moth]

Velf dh

[hidden moth]

“Real money” brother get it with gold

[spring bough]

$20 wow token later 😂

[hidden moth]

No

Buy a wow token with gold

The token turns into $15 battle net credit

Use the credit to buy housing stuff

Fiancé bought midnight with gold

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/you-keep-talking-explain-idris-elba-point-question-gif-4892661

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo it doesn’t make any sense why do we need houses , I’m definitely only gunna have a welcome mat. No furniture

$20 wow token for pvp needs , gear , crafting mats i refuse to give blizz money for a virtual loveseat this is madness

[dense comet]

Just because you dont like it doesnt mean the playerbase doesnt

[harsh kiln]

Midnight release march 2nd, long season ahead boys and girls

[runic laurel]

If you don’t care about housing why does it matter if it costs money to buy some accessories?

If you choose not to engage with it that’s fine but it’s a great addition for the game

[potent pivot]

Because realistically no one should be okay with paying money for it

The fact that people still give them money for things like that is insane

[stoic spruce]

This convo has been happening for almost 20 years

It ain't going anywhere

[jaunty mirage]

It’s the single most requested feature for the game since vanilla, they were always going to find a way to monetize it

[dense comet]

I mean people complain if they gate vanity items behind cash and they complain even more if they gate character power items behind cash

So either blizz needs to stop gating anything behind cash to appease those people - and gain nothing in the process - or they can gate some things behind cash so people who want to pay for them are happy and blizz also makes extra money.. not rly a hard decision imo

And vanity items for $$ is the way better option

[stoic spruce]

Fun fact

Housing was in the alpha for WoW

[jaunty mirage]

Yep lol

[potent pivot]

My issue with it is that there’s already a box and monthly price for the game

[jaunty mirage]

I think blizzard with wow will reach a point where they have to choose between continuing as a subscription model or switch over to battle passes

[potent pivot]

But this is an age old opinion about blizzard

[lucid lark]

I feel the same way, but this opinion isn't going to stop Father of Four who sees a $90 dinosaur and buys it without a second thought, because a $15 sub and the occasional cash shop item is still insanely cheap compared to say, golfing. As many complaints as I have about the ethics of cash shops in a sub game, $15 a month for 20 years is crazy value and I've never felt like I was behind anyone for not buying something.

[dense comet]

Always a valid argument but as time goes on it needs to consider that the playerbase grows older with the game

Alot of people dont have the energy or time or both that they had when they were 17

To get things the in-game way

[safe pelican]

Thought we we’re battling for Azeroth cuz, didn’t know we needed bunk beds my bad bro

[dense comet]

Yeah turns out, nothing in entertainment is "needed"

Noone "needs" to pay 230 dollars for a musical but they choose to

[lucid lark]

I didn't need a 5090 Suprim LC but... wait, nah I did need that

[dense comet]

Imo blizz is doing a fine job of keeping business integrity with their income model

[potent pivot]

Personally I don’t think that matters

[dense comet]

Like id personally be happy if they charged 10 or 15 bucks extra per monthly sub in exchange for max trading post progress but they are philosopocally against that shrug

[potent pivot]

It’s just greedy

[dense comet]

It does matter though

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t

[dense comet]

And as much as players exist who argue everything needs to be sourced from ingame content, there are players who argue for being able to buy with cash

[potent pivot]

Think of how many new players they are not getting because of these things

[dense comet]

Whos to say one feedback is valid and the other isnt

[potent pivot]

The younger generation can just play Fortnite for league for free

Instead of transitioning into a more modern business model to bring in new players, they choose to drain as much as they can out of existing players

[dense comet]

Because its free. And wow isnt

So thats heading for a non subscription model which is a whole other argument

And the most basic rule for business management is to appeal to your existing customers, not potential ones

[potent pivot]

🧢

[dense comet]

And id confidently speculate at least 40% of the existing playerbasr is over 28

Its like, why change when their business model is working

[potent pivot]

Because if you never try to bring in new players, you die out

[dense comet]

Well we were talking about vanity items being cash gated which is not even remotely the biggest reason younger gen dont play wow

[potent pivot]

That’s not the only thing I was talking about at all

[dense comet]

If its about competing for new players against free games, then the problem becomes that there is a monthly cost at all

And even then they will still avoid it because their characters look like clay figurines

And the game has tab targeting system

[potent pivot]

Ye the monetization structure as a whole is just bad

I wouldn’t care about the cash shop stuff if there wasn’t (multiple) box payments and a monthly sub. At that point mtx cosmetics are expected. But you get the point

[dense comet]

But based on whose metric? If its the best earning mmorpg in the world which it probably is ...?

[potent pivot]

Based on the gaming space as a whole

[dense comet]

Yeah I get the point

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t get a free pass just because it’s an mmo

[dense comet]

But frankly blizz is doing this because they can and its working

And people have been saying blizz is milking for cash at the cost of the games integrity as far back as cata

[potent pivot]

Because it’s true

[dense comet]

🤷

[potent pivot]

And the playerbase has only gotten smaller and smaller since

[dense comet]

Most games come free backed with a battle pass model, yes. There is a large and wide gap between saying that and also saying that wow should follow that model

The playerbase has not grown or shrunk in a linear fashion over time

Per expansion yes

[potent pivot]

They’ve kinda already started the beginnings of that in addition to everything else, with the trading post, no?

[dense comet]

Yes but they dont push trading post beind cash

[potent pivot]

They’ve put tenders into cash transactions multiple times have they not

[dense comet]

Which they would if they wanted to "milk" it

Only for like deluxe or mythic w.e expansion editions are called I think

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so

Pretty positive they’ve added tender onto cosmetic transactions

The limited time shit

[dense comet]

Eh maybe i wasnt there to see it. Id personally do that and get it over with than doing 15 pet battles wins vs lvl 1 pets in elwynn

Idk, the idea that blizz should scrap their monthly sub model to grab potential customers is just out of touch

imo

[potent pivot]

lol

[potent pivot]

But you also said this so

I can see why you might think that way

[dense comet]

Its like what i said at the start. They have nothing to gain by appeasing people who advocate nothing being cash gated

When there is another solid portion who are ok with vanity items being cash gated and blizz does stand to gain by appeasing to them

Its just math

[potent pivot]

I just find it cringe

[dense comet]

I mean whats the alternative other than just flat out demanding that they make less money than they currently do

Effectively speaking thats what they are demanding

[potent pivot]

They could easily replace monthly subs with more cosmetics that’d bring in more than the subs

But getting rid of a “more reliable” thing like monthly subs is a scary thought for a billion dollar company like them

When they can trickle out the cosmetics and still rake it in with less work

[dense comet]

That is at best a debatable opinion that comes with a huge business model shakeup and risk

[potent pivot]

Sure

But at the end of the day

I think the good of the consumer is more important than the billion dollar company

[dense comet]

Does being the top dog kill a motivation for innovation? Yes. But have they been the top dog for a long time? Also yes.. so 🤷

[potent pivot]

Games been dying for such a long time and I hate that

[dense comet]

I dont really believe the current model is hostile to players..

[potent pivot]

I don’t think they’re even that far ahead of the competition these days

Maybe in revenue, but not player count

[dense comet]

i mean.. its vanity stuff

You ever play those korean rpgs?

[potent pivot]

Let’s not start the p2w debate lol

[dense comet]

But thats literally what is counted for hostile transaction model

wow is not even close

I dont even rly know whats hurting "the good of the customer" here

[potent pivot]

You can buy tokens to exchange to gold to exchange for every achievement or item in the game

Yet wow players argue wow isn’t p2w

[dense comet]

Lol

Are they permanently ahead of people who dont pay?

At any point in the season?

I mean by that logic even free games are p2w?

Token or not real life trading will happen under the table

[potent pivot]

Not a great argument

[dense comet]

And why is it not? Thats the whole reason in game shops have been introduced across the whole industry

[potent pivot]

“If I don’t sell these people meth, someone else will…”

[dense comet]

Ur missing the point

I am saying that games dont suddenly turn into p2w just because the transaction shifts from one medium to another

[potent pivot]

This is the only true part yes. People that pay don’t gain “extra advantage”, doesn’t make it not p2w imo

[dense comet]

So.. wow is a p2w game? Well I certainly missed it all these years

I am pretty sure i can be on exactly the same footing as anyone else, esp in the part of the game this channel is concerned with. As for pve, sure that bis trinket may not drop after 37 clears but that is the nature of a drop driven rpg

[sharp sierra]

Buying tokens lol ain’t getting ripped off

Not my fault they don’t want to combat the gold rmt

[potent pivot]

I’m using p2w as a general term. Let’s call it “pay to succeed” then since this is everyone’s rebuttal ig

[dense comet]

And my point remains the same that even 100% free games cannot escape that, because people exist who are willing to pay under the table. And if that transaction happens on a different medium it makes 0 difference

Maybe there is an argument that an ingame transaction platform makes it more "accessible" to p2succeed, but I think its a better evil than not having it

[potent pivot]

So just because some bad actors will do it behind the scenes, it’s okay to add the avenue to do so legitimately?

[dense comet]

That goes down to an argument is what is wrong and right which is ultimately upto the person.. I believe blizz has decided that buying in game carries is legitimate

[potent pivot]

I’m not even fundamentally against the wow token being a thing to be real. But it does add less incentive to make ways for players to make gold in game, and that’s always irked a lot of people.

[dense comet]

But then again, its not just blizz. that question applies to the whole industry

[sharp sierra]

You guys don’t have to say p2w just say Korean mmos

[potent pivot]

[dense comet]

or mobile games

[sharp sierra]

It’s either p2w or you know what they do with the characters…

Like in TERA

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[dense comet]

Like bad actors in csgo paying for gun skins even if steam(or valve, w.e) shop platform wasnt a thing

That specific point touches on the gaming industry in general and not just blizz

Buying masters accnt in league

No company can ever eliminate rmt, so they settled for a legitimized platform

[potent pivot]

Sure but not all game companies give legitimacy to those things, not by a long shot

[gleaming sentinel]

I kinda feel like gold buying / bots etc is what just crushes wow classic servers

[potent pivot]

It will never be fully gone, but many of them take action against those things to stop them or punish the people that do them etc

[dense comet]

This argument can be carbon copied to apply to real life debates on what should be legal or not lol

Should prostitution be legalized so that its no longer a platform for black money and be brought into legalized standards..

Whole countries are divided on those topics so who are we to make the call on videogames 😂

[potent pivot]

[dense comet]

I mean marijuana

[potent pivot]

We are the consumers

[dense comet]

literal same thing

[potent pivot]

We pay we say ! ! !

[dense comet]

Yeah and im not just being blizz's lapdog but if they had some customers who say dont cash gate anything and other customers who are willing to open their wallets.. 🤔

[lime oar]

who caressssss

if someone buys a glad carry they get check pvpd and see 1 glad and years of hardstuck rival, congrats ur a clown

[potent pivot]

That wasn’t at all the point of the conversation 😅

[lime oar]

i feel like what i just said is pretty relevant to this statement

feel like there’s a lot of miscommunication in this convo, i’m out

https://tenor.com/view/the-place-beyond-the-pines-gif-11471857

[potent pivot]

Ye the main thing was just talking about monetization

[jaunty osprey]

noobs

especially @potent pivot

[stoic spruce]

webster called, they said theyre changing the spelling of loser to J-A-S-O-N

[jaunty osprey]

aint no way this game is this dead

havent even queued shuf that much this season

how tf cant i get a pop

[wanton breach]

[icy crystal]

it usually pops 7-12 minutes for me, lookin bugged af

[fathom crag]

NA is fucked shuffle wise

no1 plays that

[stoic spruce]

they shouldnt

garbage mode

they should all go to 2s and 3s

[fathom crag]

idk i fk w shuffle

2s damp ruined the bracket

3s is only fotm S tier + comp

can also learn a new class easily

[spring bough]

Maybe we will get pops in season 1 of midnight

[true warren]

what's the deal with feral in ss this season? i see them so rarely but when i do they are either destroying the lobby or do less damage than discs even when not trained

[safe pelican]

lol I went to sleep last night missed the Blizz Money Grab ranting 😭😭😭 @potent pivot we stand at the front of the anti money grab committee 🦦

[safe pelican]

Damn we are in dark times

[safe pelican]

Majority of the player base are 30+ give or take 25 yr old + dudes…. Why in the flying baked potatoes would your created mythical war fighting character need a house 😒… game is dead needs revival , we add houses… by all means everyone’s entitled to an opinion on the matter, you either spend your time questing , PVE OR PVP or farming mogs / collectives. Now this house has been should’ve in front of the PVE / Just For Fun scene and they are gunna eat that shit up , end product = blizz gets more money milking the game therefore we await the newest xpac to bring and influx of players back to the game to rinse and repeat the same process 🦦….. okay now I’m done

[stiff mesa]

Ngl I don't see how housing is any different to them releasing now mogs, as far as I know nothing is locked behind a pay wall, it's just a case of if you want to mess around with it then have fun, if not then it doesn't affect you at all

[noble zodiac]

Its already known that there are things for housing you only can get with real money currency. And alone the reason they gave for adding a extra currency is ... pretty bs. Everything they said they need the extra currency for is already achieved with bnet balance.

The extra currency is there the same reason its in nearly all other games. It makes knowing how much something cost harder to grasp. And oh you bought a currency packet with 20k in it? You bought something for 11k and later you want something with 10k cost? Time to buy a new bundle.

Can you play housing with no real money? Yes ofc. Will it make A LOT of money for blizzard? Definitely also yes.

[spring bough]

should i try my luck with a demo lock for solo shuffle

see what the other side about lol

[oak imp]

Which one is better at what?

[hazy monolith]

so millennials can get a taste of what it's like to own a home

[dense comet]

Does this "game is dead" dooming have any metric credit?

[dark moon]

I was asking what you were planning of playing. Sub for blitz and assa for shuffle would be better imho.

[tidal snow]

How gimped m i if i dont have Reshii wraps?

for arena

[vocal surge]

like down 1 conquest piece + special effect

[oak imp]

I was thinking more to focus on blitz with some 2s in there as well

[jolly sierra]

ppl was like this since mop

xd

[languid ravine]

-LOG IN
-queue 45 min
-that DK is a bot for sure
-healer is spamming for me 50 lines of text how to play my class
-eat 10 mil Aimed Shots in 0,2 seconds

yea this is a good game

[dark moon]

2s assa kingsbane is really good from what ive heard

[dark moon]

It takes like 30 minutes to an hour to get it if you haven't done the campaign for the skip

But it's good for pvp

[hidden moth]

Yeah season end will be like February

[hidden moth]

Go assa fatebound 2v2

I’m killing people in the opener at 2100 rating

It’s nasty

Healer is playing oracle disc priest and they don’t get a chance to top their teammates off between be and my priests mind controls lmfaoo

[river pollen]

Does honor transfer to the next expansion? Goofy question but i forgor

[safe pelican]

😂😂😂😂 this was gold

I feel attacked lmfao

[potent pivot]

Resets iirc

[lucid lark]

Returning to wow to do some pvp to get the elite set and the enchant from blitz. I was advised to check out murlok for data on builds and meta stuff, but I'm having trouble with subs multipliers and buffs. I really dont want to get too deep into add-ons to track but I feel like I'm going to need to to know when I can maximize a go. Primarily interested in blitz for now, so looking at sin and outlaw as well

[potent pivot]

Usually you farm up honor in the week after the expac launches, because the s1 doesn’t start immediately

[river pollen]

Oh yea true ty

That means i can freely transfer honor from my main to alts haha

[spring bough]

can prob hit 1800 in blitz with a 10-0 or so

if you get some fast ques can go pretty quick

[dense comet]

Prune intervene pls

[potent pivot]

There really isn’t many buffs that are impactful enough to track anymore. The only thing you really need to see is your Deathstalkers Mark debuff on enemies.

[hot ermine]

Should i race change NE or stay as human rogue for Midnight?

[potent pivot]

If you’re having trouble seeing it on enemy plates/frames I’d recommend at least grind betterblizzframes and BetterBlizzPlates

[potent pivot]

NE will matter less in midnight, might still be one of the “best” racials, but you can kinda just play w/e you want

Especially if you aren’t trying to push r1 type stuff etc

[safe pelican]

I forgot about that enchant , it’s better than last season but it’s still meh but the visibility is way better might have to to snag that 1800 aint nun

I’m too lazy to gear my toons now, just conquest gear boost me so i can get to work time is money. Rather my time these days

[hot ermine]

The extra garrote silence is swaying me

[safe pelican]

Extra garrote silence for being NE ?? I need to go look at these patch notes lol tf is going on

[potent pivot]

extra restealth

as always

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-gif-12945843696836467887

lol he had me in the first half

[potent pivot]

nothin is changing about NE

afaik

just hella class/spec changes ofc

[safe pelican]

Yea they are going crazy this time gunna have to do some adjusting , hopefully it’s for the better … hopefully , & that extra garrote silence for assa is major in shuffle not sure what you’re pushing but it’s a healers worst nightmare when they’re on the ropes if you can keep the ace in the pocket long enough for a win condition @hot ermine

[hidden moth]

Rupture and garrote

[potent pivot]

"subs multipliers and buffs"

[hidden moth]

Did it reset going into war writhin?

[hidden moth]

Ahhh

Sub

[potent pivot]

i can never remember but i'm pretty sure ye

[hidden moth]

Hmmm

I didn’t think it did but I’ll check

[potent pivot]

i remember always grinding honor cap in pre season

[hidden moth]

Ye I memeber that but for me that was just for gems etc

[sharp sierra]

i usaully just buy the greens when they go live

[potent pivot]

i remember grinding honor for blue gear w1

[potent pivot]

i just don't remember if that was cuz i didn't have any or if it was cuz it reset

[hidden moth]

Nah you right

Honor hard resets so

[potent pivot]

yeah

[hidden moth]

No reason to honor farm before midnight

[potent pivot]

i didn't really play DF s4 so

started playing again during beta/EA

[hidden moth]

Valid

[dense comet]

It may matter even more, given that they get to trigger additional cheap shot (sub)

[potent pivot]

doesn't work that way

[dense comet]

Entering stealth?

[potent pivot]

the extra cheap shot for sub is not based on 'stealth'

[dense comet]

Ah its vanish or dance

[potent pivot]

indeed

[dense comet]

Not sure if it was always like that

I just read the tooltip again

[potent pivot]

pretty sure it was

since the first round of changes at least

[dense comet]

What makes you think it will matter less? Pruned ccs?

[potent pivot]

basically all of the damage that was reliant on stealth/vanish is gone

[dense comet]

Less helpful for people who rely on WA alarm to press it?

[potent pivot]

that is why it will matter less

the only reason NE feels so mandatory as a rogue rn is because of the amount of extra damage you can squeeze out of it, as assa/outlaw

it will still be decent for melding casts, but way less extra damage

[dense comet]

I only speak from subs perspective

[potent pivot]

sub doesn't even want to be NE in the first place really

[dense comet]

Which else race?

[potent pivot]

like it isn't "mandatory" for sub

orc, human, etc

[dense comet]

I dont think it is mandatory either, but I also think it will still stay top, maybe slightly less value or not but still top

Orc is better only if you are also matching into a rogue but

[potent pivot]

the only reason its "top" for sub is because its so good for assa/outlaw

[dense comet]

In a free environment aka non tourney that is hard to predict

[potent pivot]

so you see the cross over on the trackers

[dense comet]

Im also functionally speaking. Just the ability to dodge a spell and generate full cps on demand

It might be less braindead since cheap has a cd though

So it may offer less value

[potent pivot]

yeh

[dense comet]

Bring back relent trinket and ill stay human forever

[potent pivot]

i really think even rn sub is a good 'play w/e race you want' spec

the different races provide so little to it

[dense comet]

This is definitely the season where meld matters least for sub

Having no subt to chain off of it

Honestly so many people will fail to utilize its full value in midnight when they dont have a WA displaying screen sized stormbolt icon when its flying to them

Ez mode is prob go orc

[tidal snow]

I got my elite set!

[stoic spruce]

[humble spear]

Are you guys crafting daggers or keeping conquest 1s for assa?

[fathom crag]

craft

[hidden moth]

Vers mast

[surreal steppe]

so i got the elite appearance, does anyone know if it will auto unlock the conquest set next season when that change comes through?

[potent pivot]

no idea if it'll work retroactively, but you can always buy conquest sets with marks of honor later

[hidden moth]

sub isnt real on the beta

wtaf is this shit

rotation of unironicaly

blades on cd
dance on cd

tech on cd use during dance bc both have 20 second cd basically

and only press shadowstrike/ backstab (same fucking ability cant tell me otherwise) and evis

[sharp sierra]

I lowkey like it

[hidden moth]

changes took one of the most skill expresive class/specs sub assa etc

and tunred it into

press 1 then 2 then 3

press 1 then 2 then 3

boring and uninspired as fuck

[true warren]

i don't play the beta but it should pretty much be the same than before just without rupture no? symbols is macroed to dance anyway since seamless cheap shot's wouldn't work and flag isn't used this season

the removal of rupture hurts tho. i still hope they dump that idea and give it back to us

[dark moon]

Why does it hurt us?

I mean apart from the fact that wr have 1 less finisher

[true warren]

i'm wondering too. symbols felt good to press but ultimately it was unnecessary to have an extra button since you macro in anyway

[dark moon]

I hope sub does more dmg and we can focus on the game rather than rotation ala 2 button classes kekw

But ultimately I'm sad where the class is headed

[safe pelican]

The game would be lit if queues times weren’t ass trying to wait for midnight queues but i want weapon enchant lol , caught a 1880 placement match W on sub full greens

So many other games to play with instant queues

[true warren]

which loa is good right now for a zandalari sub rogue?

those 3 sound good but there's a 5 days CD on switching.

Embracing Bwonsamdi gives you Embrace of Bwonsamdi, giving your damaging abilities a chance to deal additional shadow damage, and heal you for 100% of the damage dealt.

Embracing Kimbul gives you Embrace of Kimbul, giving your damaging abilities a chance to make your target bleed for 6 seconds. This ability can stack up to 3 times.

Embracing Pa'ku you Embrace of Pa'ku, giving your damaging abilities a chance to grant you 4% Critical Strike chance.

[lime oar]

i feel like the sap bug isn’t a bug

[spring bough]

bout to be a bug that turns into a 2 year issue until they fix it in the last titan

[grave basin]

has shadowheart even been changed?

[spring bough]

fresh outlaw for solo shuffle.....

train healer each round and cleave melee dps and healers just drop and im full greens

[potent pivot]

they're all so tiny it prolly doesn't even matter

[potent pivot]

because now you have nothing to stop restealths or prop up your consistent damage

[potent pivot]

losing symbols means less control over supercharger. atm you can symbols twice in 1 go for more burst.

[dark moon]

Ah, ye didn't think od that. But tbh i don't want consistent dmg, just ret or eoe burst on my dance

So people would be raging left and right

[potent pivot]

well the entire design is leaning into more consistent damage

a lot of modifiers are gonezo

so hopefully losing rupture won't matter for that

it just feels weird to lose your only bleed

[dark moon]

Yeah it will be weird launch/prepatch overall

No more cs spam in subterfuge as assa

Or outlaw

[grave basin]

is this real life

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[spring bough]

Close

Just one more lobby

[grave basin]

i just wanna get 2.4k and fuck off from this season already

lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m gonna begin the outlaw journey soon :<

I’ve been too nervous to Q lol

[grave basin]

arent you multi legend PK

why are you nervous

[gleaming sentinel]

Crippling imposter syndrome idk

[jolly sierra]

in midnight terms that is akhually elite lol

[spring bough]

officially qued up as a demo lock for solo shuffle lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Nice

[spring bough]

yeah demo lock is fun... so many pets lol

and i feel invincible with this death pact and reflective shield pvp talent

[jolly sierra]

how you guys you reply to those guys?

i just reply "fuck you"

[dark moon]

i used to bait them and treat them as real gms and they would just ignore me

[jolly sierra]

god fucking dammit

[spring bough]

does this mean u needed OH lol

[jolly sierra]

that means i need a rogue in classic to loot them

but my fucking rogue never loots them

[outer sky]

its actually insane that we killed this guy here. he Communed at 40% jfc

[true warren]

i learned how to sim them and the bleeding is +1,5% DPS in PvE but after choosing it it's only 0,5% in PvP unfortunately. Back to +5% movement speed

[wanton breach]

realest GM possible

chaos bolt doing chaos bolt things

[wanton breach]

you can check the wowhead page for spells/buffs and look at the pvp modifier, some things are heavily nerfed in pvp

[safe pelican]

5 Am Queues? Sounds like a terrible idea tbh

[hollow carbon]

Sin Destro def one of the fun comps 🙂

[spring bough]

has ur game popped yet

[jaunty mirage]

Every once in a while I can cosplay mm hunter on my destro

That being said

My highest instant aimed shot in arena on my hunter is 8.6

My biggest bolt so far was like 7.7

Wild that blizzard is fine with this lmao

[hidden moth]

I hit a 12 mil bolt

In pve gear lmfaooo

[jaunty mirage]

In arena? I’ve never see anything that high lol

That’s some stars aligning stuff

[hidden moth]

it was like every other game istg

[jaunty mirage]

Literally don’t think I’ve ever seen anything over like 9m

CB specifically

Def see a 9+mil aimed shot lmao

[thick dagger]

Would anyone mind helping me with my Sin burst and telling me if its correct? What im doing right now is from invis double garrote into rupture into ambush into kidney then shiv into kingsbane into deathmark then mutilate till 5-6 combo points then spend on envenom. Im just not getting as many tails flips as other sins ive seen 100-0 people in 3 seconds so was just wondering what im doing wrong ? Im also only 723 pvp ilvl and I do not have 2 set yet

[amber goblet]

10mil dmg in 1 global from rng coinflips.

As if assa couldnt be more brainrot

[muted spire]

Do we have a guide for assa rogue? like rotations

[potent pivot]

@thick dagger @muted spire trimaz made a guide on YT, wowhead pve opener is practically the same iirc, IceyVeins, etc

[potent pivot]

Gear matters but it also sounds like you’re leaving out possibly vanish

[muted spire]

the trimaz guide is 2 month ago, the rotation is up to date?

[potent pivot]

Nothing has changed

[thick dagger]

Ahh ok were should I plug in vanish I’ve been using it for triple garrote silence on heals when I’m doing a go on dps

[potent pivot]

Check out the guide, idr if it mentions that you can vanish during burst or not

You don’t always want to commit a vanish to your burst if you’re already going in with subt, but it does add coin flips etc

[thick dagger]

Ty

[hazy monolith]

is there a reason a kick on penance doesnt trigger a lockout?

or is it just a UI thing

[hidden moth]

depends

if its shadow mode bc of voidweaver

it only locks shadow

so they can cast holy

if they are casting normal penance they can still cast shadow

[hazy monolith]

I see, thx. usually it would show me a lockout icon on the nameplates but a penance kick somehow doesnt show any so I was wondering

[thick dagger]

just checking out that video seems like he is running 4 set instead of 2 set like everyone is running and his talents are different are you sure this video from 2 months ago is still viable ?

was trying to find where you were talking about with vanish but it isnt mentioned

[sharp sierra]

Looking for something like this?

[thick dagger]

actually yes ty

i guess ive been doing deathmark and kingsbane wrong

i always useds KB firsst

[potent pivot]

Iirc there’s 2 different sections in that vid

[potent pivot]

And last I looked that graphic was slightly off

[sharp sierra]

Not mine btw idk who exactly made it but +rep to them

[potent pivot]

Yes I’m sure it’s still viable he goes over both hero trees

A couple talents in either builds are interchangeable and do not matter

As far as the gear, pretty sure he was using 4set because he preferred deathstalker at the time and that tree uses 4set

Question was about rotation which is fine in the vid

[sharp sierra]

anybody getting lucky with midnight pvp ques? 4th 20 min shuffle que where it just auto kicks everyone

[hidden moth]

why are we quing shuffle on beta lol

though im not pvping on beta till they fix assa rogue energy

[stoic spruce]

So we can get burned out on release and blame the devs

Duh

[potent pivot]

I think it’s going live like that ngl

[hidden moth]

no

implacable is bugged

only giving 20% energy max

when it should be caping at 80

[potent pivot]

ah

i still think assa is supposed to be way slower energy regen in the end

compared to rn on live

[hidden moth]

iut will be

[muted spire]

If rogue vanish and get sighted + imprison or stun by a dh, will it proc Subterfuge?

[lone jasper]

@dark moon /shy

[lone jasper]

6/6 killing blows, 1B damage 😄

[sharp sierra]

Wasn’t sure which mode would have the most players and skirmishes was hit or miss

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[dark moon]

Ayoooooooooooooooo

Congrats my man!!

2.4 next

[lone jasper]

🫡 ❤️

[spring bough]

i think im gonna gear a ret out and do some solo shuffle

[gleaming sentinel]

you should try devastation

[spring bough]

ive done that and demo

i like lock but idk i cant really do caster well lol

[gleaming sentinel]

ah

fury warrior kinda outlaw vibe

very spammy

[static holly]

Do you think we will see a change in racial meta? Or still all ne for restealth

[grave basin]

im getting cabal'ed

[spring bough]

Why do u have the same bar twice lol

[grave basin]

cause im old with bad eyes

[gleaming sentinel]

why not play marks hunter? blizz obv aint tuning shit

i might gear a marks

[grave basin]

30min queue btw

[spring bough]

I got that and BM too lol. I think it’s time to wait till midnight lol

[grave basin]

i used like 3k conq to regear everything

and playing conduit