pvp

[hidden moth]

when i went for restealths

i have 0faith in any teammate puring

considering i got 0 root dispells tghe whole game

[outer sky]

I can see why an ele wouldn't bother purging (even though they should) but your healer absolutely should do that idk why he ever wouldn't

[hidden moth]

round 1 btw

rsham round 2 dispells

but their response is "wHyRoguEnOThavEmAxuMUmuPtIMeonThEmaGeANdELEshAmaN???"

[outer sky]

I mean thats just the shuffle life though. You may not have been able to win that lobby. Because its already extremely difficult for you even if everyone does what theyre supposed to do. But add on top of that people going non-optimal targets and not purging or whatever else and it does get pretty close to unwinnable unless someone on the other team hard trolls and dies without bubbling or blocking or whatever. Obviously id have to see a vod of the game to actually know, but just based on what youre saying it sounds like that 2-4 was a pretty solid outcome for you.

[potent pivot]

you got auto filtered, and your first thought was to bypass the filter?

it feels weird at first, but i would just change things up and try to play with it

maybe try using new mouse buttons in sets of 3 at first

its going to take some time to get used to every time you make a change regardless though. you just gotta do it and get reps in

[hidden moth]

I get the other word but can I get a explanation on that one

If it just means “pussy” “vagina”

Hell even bitch is allowed to be used in here

What makes the “c” word so horrible

Honest question

[lone jasper]

Yes, I’m planning to do it that way, but I don’t want to get used to an incorrect or untested setup. That’s why, if anyone has already figured out how to manage focus and arena1-2-3 bindings using the mouse buttons, it would really help me if they could share an example of how their bindings are organized. My brain freezes every time I think about how many new bindings I’ll have to add.

[potent pivot]

i don't make the rules man

its just considered a more vulgar word than the ones you said

[potent pivot]

i don't use my mouse for targeting

i use it for abilities, and i use shift-x/x/x binds for targeting on my kb

[grave basin]

I went from 3 button to 12 button mouse

[potent pivot]

my mouse binds are like kick, stuns, cloak, evasion, vanish, step, etc

[grave basin]

There's definitely an adjustment period

I recommend doing one set of binds at a time tbh

[potent pivot]

a lot of my off GCD abilities, i put on mouse

and i set every class/spec up this way and it works great

[grave basin]

Don't overwhelm yourself with all 12 buttons

[potent pivot]

ye i said this as well earlier

[grave basin]

I use the mouse buttons for stuff that every class can use

Like my button 123 is target arena 123

And shift button 123 is focus arena 123

So I never have to worry about mouse binds affecting my playspeed

[lone jasper]

Unfortunately, all my keyboard 1-2-3 keys combined with Shift are already taken, and I’m thinking about moving those abilities to the mouse instead. In short, I’m facing quite a challenge 🙂 but thank you all for the help!

[grave basin]

123 keys are perfect for arena123 binds

Like my 101112 are always some class cc

[lone jasper]

Hmm interesting, they are without focus ye?

[tight hill]

I tried this recently and ended up sticking with my old mouse I really cannot get used to it. Was much smoother for me to use shift alt and ctrl

[grave basin]

Fear/sheep/scatter

[potent pivot]

i use modifiers for focus

on most things

[grave basin]

Yeee

Focus and arena123 binds

Focus on keyboard and 123 on mouse

[potent pivot]

so just a modifier macro on the same bind as the base ability

[wet crown]

Me when the outlaw rogue grapples at the ret paladin: https://youtube.com/shorts/Gy5ZhMjgUJk?si=BS9hc2KcukN9roZT

[glass hazel]

jeez this one is good

typical paladin

i bought naga thinking i will bind stuff, now i dont know what to bind on it all my binds on keyboard

[lone jasper]

I think this idea is the most suitable for me. It’s true that I’ve been using keyboard keys for those abilities for years and I’m very used to them, but I guess I’ll have to rearrange everything and get used to it from start. The keys that get freed up I’ll use for focus CCs.

[vocal surge]

floating tools

[vocal surge]

Casually killing people

with Instant Poison

On a side tangent

there's a bug with Remix transfers lol

if you apply your poisons before coming over to retail

your poisons hit over triple its intended value

[grave basin]

Even if you reapply ?

[dark moon]

for me some buttons dont make sense to be on the keyboard. For example - evasion - if I need to evasion and turn around at the same time to dodge a stun or a hit, my brain cannot process this, i just cant do it, so evasion is on my naga. Also depending on your movement keys (some people move holding left and right mouse buttons down, some use W only, I use W A D) if your keyboard hand is occupied with pressing W all the time and you need to press some weird modifier shift/alt/ctrl keybind for another ability and evasion(or any other ability) at the same time it makes sense to have certain abilities on the mouse hand. I've had some key combinations that whenever I press my character starts to turn in circle and I have to alt tab twice to stop it and its not fun. Try different things and see what works for you.

[lone jasper]

Ye, im also using WAD for moving

And i cant use ctrl and alt for fast abilities, its very uncomfortable for me

At this moment i have bindings 1-5 (also with shift) + everything around WAD that is easy to click

[dark moon]

Try them out on the naga

[lone jasper]

I think i can free bindings like evasion, cloak, kick, gouge, blind, move them to naga and after use them for focus target bindings. Not sure yet.

[vocal surge]

cant over ride em in retail because those poisons are technically stronger lol

[lone jasper]

Im not sure ill be that fast with thumb 🤔

[pliant lintel]

I remap my caps lock to ctrl so it’s easier to press

[lone jasper]

Oh, never thought about it 🫨

[pliant lintel]

Or if that confuses your brain can remap caps to shift and make shift ctrl effectively moving both buttons up 1 row

[lone jasper]

Amazing idea!

[true warren]

do you have "show unused icons" on in omnbibar?

[vocal surge]

womp womp

[pliant lintel]

yea you can do if you're still learning or just forget what abilities other classes have

it's personal preference really

[true warren]

ok thanks. yeah i'm still learning omnibar. are there any other things i should definitely set up? right now i only track major offensive CD's from from specs i don't know and some minor ones from specs i know well. same with defensive and no cc yet

[pliant lintel]

So I have interrupts/CC on the bottom above my abilities. Big Offensive CD's at the top of my screen and enemy defensive CD's under arena 1/2/3 frames

i also have a miscellaneous bar that tracks things like blink, tremor grounding etc

i use sweepyBoop's not ominbar but they're both the same thing

[true warren]

ok thanks

[pliant lintel]

just start with tracking CC, offensives and defensives for now

[wanton breach]

sweepyboops has just so much more QoL stuff built in that I would now recommend it over omnibar just for that

[rare vector]

assa rogues are not using 4 set?

[pliant lintel]

nah desync's badge & kingsbane and you never want to press kingsbane without badge

[rare vector]

I see. Thanks

[dark moon]

Also kb is reduced by 1 sec in pvp, which is laughable

[wanton breach]

HUGE CDR

[dark moon]

Yuugee

[grim sequoia]

I asked his before but forgot what people said:

I have macros to focus arena 1/2/3

if i were to press focus arena 3, it actually selects the rogue (arena 1) instead of the mage (arena 3)

any ideas?

it does it every single game

1/3 are swapped

(i dont have frame sort)

nvm i just figured it out lol

gladius was turned to "up" instead of down

[pliant lintel]

[tight hill]

anyone got any secret techs for playing rmp into cupid

[dark kernel]

Hope you're not playing fire and kill the ret.

[tight hill]

we are playing fire

cant wait for ROS change in midnight

[dark kernel]

Yeah you're really fried on luck because you're going to have to get so much cross CC for a clean combust go

Play boomy/pres and you dumpster cupid

[tight hill]

that dire huh

[dark kernel]

Probably sounds worse on paper. You just gotta play it out and see how games are going

But my friends play cupid and say it's pretty hard still, but a cupid with BM should have a sacrifice for pretty much every combust unless they get forced to use one elsewhere

[tight hill]

yeah the games we win are usually when we force ROS outside of combustion but good teams don't do that

[dark kernel]

Yeah you're pretty much in that boat but if you get really clean setups I think you can.

[pliant lintel]

make sure pala is covered everytime you want to do a go

sounds obvious but will help a lot

[tight hill]

can bm/surv use ROS if pets in CC?

[grim sequoia]

fire mage is pretty fun, the things i learned playing ass rogue are helping me a lot (focus sheep the healer, etc)

Also i learned how to get absolutely trained on mage during season 1/2 playing arcane mage , so i dont have a problem dealing with 2 melee on my ass all game

[pliant lintel]

No

[fathom crag]

sheesh

[wet crown]

Did they ever nerf it or nah

I stopped playing mage for my rogue pretty early in the season

[harsh kiln]

biggest issue for the fire mages atm are all the hunters i'd say

[jaunty mirage]

If it weren’t for all 3 hunter specs being good there’d be a million fire mages

[grim sequoia]

yeah just went 2-4 against a double mm hunter lobby

its hard to los both of them at the same time

if i stop to sheep one, i die

[harsh kiln]

ros kinda messes you up as a firemage:)

aswell*

[grim sequoia]

im just los'ing their true shot window

[wet crown]

At this point aren't hunters everyones problem

[harsh kiln]

correct:>

[spring bough]

MM so trash to play against sometimes. Teammate LOS chasing Hunter and 0.5 seconds 20 mil dmg dead

Not even in a global lol

[wet crown]

Me screaming and pelvic thrusting my monitor as I burn a paladin to death with no casts.

[spring bough]

Thru a pillar too

[wet crown]

Lowkey wanna gear one just to experience the stupidity

[spring bough]

Just rocket firing all guns everywhere

[wet crown]

I won't lower myself to touch pally but I'm good with marks lol

How's surv

Still good?

[spring bough]

Yup survival still rips too

[wet crown]

Alright, dope

It's like outlaw but good

[spring bough]

Get that remix 80 in less than 30 min. Xfer to live and deck out with conq boxes or crate farming. EZ PZ

[jaunty mirage]

Tbh you could make an argument it’s the best hunter spec in the hands of someone that knows what they’re doing

[wanton breach]

love playing low mmr on my alts to get a healer feed twice in my team, once on the enemy team and then just rageqiot

[hidden moth]

Yeah I gotcha, still think it’s silly but is what it is

[hidden moth]

Sounds normal

[gleaming sentinel]

fought an assa rogue who did amp poision and would build up for like a 9mill evis crit lol

[spring bough]

Did he get a KB with that

[wet crown]

I erased a healer just now with a 10 mil chaos bolt into a 3mil incinerate + 4mil shadowburn

lol

all hit at the same time-ish

[gleaming sentinel]

yea he cheesed 2 rounds

[spring bough]

Bout to turn my Tauren sin rogue into that crit one shot build

[gleaming sentinel]

amp poison will play like midnight outlaw

lol

[hidden moth]

we thinkin they gonna have blodstones or something similar in midnight

[vocal surge]

ye

[hidden moth]

any betters

[sharp sierra]

4-2

[hidden moth]

yeah kekw

monk was useless

[hidden moth]

hmmmm @potent pivot in midnight how we feeling about doomblade

looking at either doomblade or thrown precision but its only 5% crit on fok and not 10%

thouhg for pvp i think we take razor wire for 6 seconds longer on gar

[potent pivot]

Did db change at all

Either way everything is just gonna be tuning dependent when it comes to damage talents

[untold hare]

why there is 0 guides on yt for outlaw rogue ):

is it really that hard

[near flower]

Guides on yt are a bit outdated, have to watch some streamers just to see how they play it. Playing outlaw myself and i have to say its so hard than how i did with sub

[untold hare]

any streamer u suggests other than whaz

[near flower]

Whaz is the only one i know that still plays outlaw atm

[vocal surge]

gotta get more lines on my tooltips

[jaunty mirage]

Was gonna say that’s not a bad lobby for assa

Tbh that lobby should have sucked for the lock hahaha

[hidden moth]

its the same as now

but extra dot for 2% dam buff?

[potent pivot]

Is lethal dose the same?

We’re going to be moving pretty far away from the bleed heavy damage we have right now

Going off the design changes at least

[hidden moth]

yeah but i still think we take sudden demise for sure

1 last point to spend before going bottom row of assa talents, debating on flying daggers vs secondary poisoning

[potent pivot]

Depends on health pools and how much dmg bleeds do

It’s looking like things will lean in favor of envenom

[hidden moth]

yeah for sure, i think this is gonna be decent, though toss up between mutilate dotting or 6 second extended gar duration. could take amp poison as well for a big boost

[spring bough]

has anyone been having lag with vendors since tuesday?

[grave basin]

leapfrogged toon now higher than main

i can smell the 2.4

[grave basin]

main leapfrogged my leapfrog

one more lobby to 2.4

!!

[grave basin]

@outer sky disarm doesnt do much against sv btw

funniest thing is getting disarmed on my CA and i can still kill command to summon the beast, bomb bomb FOTE all through disarm

[dark moon]

Negative

[hidden moth]

ight what race of rogue do i make

[pastel burrow]

goblin

[wanton breach]

@fathom crag curiousity got the better of me

[latent void]

is it possible to get elite gear in all ques?

[pliant lintel]

yeh

[latent void]

which one would you deem easiest to get 1600?

[potent pivot]

depends if u have someone to queue with or not really

if not then ur kinda forced to shuffle/blitz or try LFG

[latent void]

what would be the best spec for solo?

[potent pivot]

whatever spec you're best at playing is probably going to do better for you if you're just going for 1.6 or 1.8k

[pliant lintel]

hunter or ret paladin would be 'easiest' but you should play something you enjoy playing not something that is op

[latent void]

im playing rogue

i want the rogue set

[pliant lintel]

BG blitz would probably be the easiest, you can solo carry a team by just playing the objectives

or play assa and 1 shot your way to 1800 in shuffle that's also free

[spring bough]

an easy 5 or 6 win streak in blitz will have u definitely over 1600 might even get 1800

[latent void]

what spec i recommended for blitz

[spring bough]

any works tbh

[pliant lintel]

just play assa

it's easiest spec

[upbeat bear]

Play what you enjoy, that always works best. Even if other specs is stronger. Idk what is strong atm tho i dont play

[spring bough]

almost have my night elf for midnight ready with all the exalted reps from legion done lol

got all the class mounts last night for it too

doing a human rogue or drac rogue next lol

[untold hare]

can someone please tell me how he can click alt+7 or ctrl+9 😂

mouse button or he modify his alt key ?

[gleaming sentinel]

gaming mouse prob

[tight hill]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-jack-giant-hands-thumbs-up-bird-law-gif-14953762

big hands

[stoic spruce]

I'm so glad I don't have shadowstep anymore tbh

Don't like macroing things

[spring bough]

be real u kinda miss it

[stoic spruce]

Kinda

But I couldn't find a good bind for it lol

[spring bough]

yeah i feel u on that. cause i use the same bind for hook/shadowstep between outlaw and sin and it was hard figuring out what to have it on when i played outlaw lol

[stoic spruce]

I don't think I changed a bind more the shadowstep.

[lapis basalt]

am i meant to be using slice and dice?

[stoic spruce]

You get it passively via Cut To The Chase

[lapis basalt]

ass assassin btw

oh okay, and should i always put crimson tempest on people?

[spring bough]

yes

[molten hedge]

It’s good to have on your bars as sub. To get CDR if you’re being kited and have to use poison knife/slice

[grave basin]

chasing this since shadowlands

phew

[stoic spruce]

Azliey

I'm gonna get blasted on the 10th

[grave basin]

with what

alcohol ?

[spring bough]

is that like pre beta celebrations

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[stoic spruce]

No but that's a good reason too

[grave basin]

ravenholdt guild

on beta

someone make it

[stoic spruce]

They'd actually have feedback for outlaw lol

[grave basin]

outlaw doesnt even function on beta

bte still bugged half the time you cant press it

since week 1 btw

there also been zero iterating on outlaw since week 1 iirc

[stoic spruce]

Wdym

[grave basin]

saw mercelian play it a few days ago

your bte just bricks and you cant press it

idk maybe it's the apex talents bugging it

[grave basin]

i like how you didnt wdym this statement btw

[stoic spruce]

It's not wrong

[grave basin]

imagine having a class designer

meme spec like sv with like 0.01% play rate gets weekly interation

[gleaming sentinel]

Everytime I Q assa or sub it’s fun but I just wanna outlaw bro

[spring bough]

SAME

wish outlaw had that aoe silence OP talent lol

we used to have garrote back in the day =/

[wet crown]

pog

whats the burst combo

[true warren]

third time i ran into the same ww monk "clapping excitedly for me" after i deleted him in a kidney smoke 2 times in a row and saying sub rogue is the most braindead and noobs spec out there 😄

i love SS

maybe don't use trinket in my cheap shot when you not even the target or something idk

[cerulean rapids]

Is there any downside to having shadow strike and backstab on the same binding as sub?

You’re either pressing one or the other, right ?

[hidden moth]

Not for pve

But for pvp nah prob no down side

But pve will hit back stab in shadow dance window for more abilities used for more damage amp

[cerulean rapids]

ty

i guess no real point having backstab on stealthbar

[wanton breach]

i miss gloomblade being impactful

[pliant lintel]

nahh just make a stance macro for it

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0] Backstab
/cast [stance:1/2] Shadowstrike
/cast !Stealth

[cerulean rapids]

is there any downside just to having backstab on my normal bar and shadowstrike on my stealth bar?

whats the macro for

[pliant lintel]

nahh that's fine to do

i just use the macro because i don't have the ability on my a stealth bar

have it on hidden action bar because it's not an ability i need to look at

[cerulean rapids]

ah fair enough

[spring bough]

im gonna gear out a ret... lol

[dark moon]

let me get the meme

[hidden moth]

ight what rogue race gonna be uber good in midnight

still nelf orc and undead?

[fathom crag]

night elf assa

orc rest

[hidden moth]

fair, still cant decide orc vs undead tbh

[fathom crag]

undead useless in pvp as a dps

[hidden moth]

isnt will and trinket only share a 30 second cd?

[fathom crag]

will is useless for a dps

only good for healers

[hidden moth]

so unfort that undead looks so much better than orcs

[spring bough]

@wet crown what pet do destro locks use

[pliant lintel]

We Orc sub mains now

[sharp sierra]

I loved my undead for fighting locks

But I just went NE, you seriously can’t believe how insane a free vanish is on all specs

Only class I didn’t swap over with remix is my mage. He will forever stay undead

[lime oar]

gojo reference is tuff

[broken otter]

Undead Rogue xmog is OP though

[hidden moth]

valid

[hidden moth]

on ja

@outer sky tell me why tf

this warrior wants to go on the frost mage

and not the boomie

in this shuffle

assa arms pres vs frost mage boomie pres

[outer sky]

idk he plays warrior so right there you can tell he's not very smart

[hidden moth]

valid

[outer sky]

I feel so unmotivated to press queue

3 r1 shuffle slots and 1 will go to Pika so what's even the point

I can afk my way to glad in a few weeks

So what's even the point

Ill never get r1 in 3v3 so what's even the point

Its just all so discouraging

The achievements I can get i can get fairly easily and the ones I cant get i just cant get

So why even bother

This is cosmic trolling. I spent 12 straight hours in my shop today and I just got into bed exhausted. Now I see im 16 steps short of my daily goal

I really don't want to get out of bed rn

[hidden moth]

thats kinda how i feel with keys

[outer sky]

I feel like its just badly designed man. The gap between r1 and the next achievement below it for pretty much any aspect of this game is so large that it causes a large portion of the player base to just not even care to play the game because why would you push when you already got the highest achievement you can realistically get and the next one is totally out of reach because its so much score away

Like just put something in between

Instead theyre going in the opposite direction

Fast forward 10 years from now and Gladiator is 10 wins above 1600 and the next achievement after it is r1 at 3k rating or some shit

[fringe barn]

i mean worrying abt 3v3 is just a waste of time

shuff is the future

m+ shuff only a matter of time

[outer sky]

Yeah ya know it's been said before that shuffle is a meme bracket and ive even said that myself before but the fact of it is shuffle is where all the participation is and now 3s has become the meme bracket because it's almost exclusively played by sweaty try hards and nobody else

[pliant lintel]

Shuffle is pve game

[outer sky]

Wym?

[fringe barn]

not enough people play pvp to have elitism as it exists today

[pliant lintel]

There’s not really much strategy to shuffle matches you’re just waiting for A) somebody trinkets air B) you run X down until they have no CD’s left or dampening is so high healers can’t heal it C) somebody gets 1 shot 30 seconds into the game 😂

3s isn’t much better though tbf

[outer sky]

I was just about to say this

The only difference between shuffle and 3s in this respect is that in 3s you have voice

I actually much prefer dampening in shuffle though idk

I feel like shuffle matches last about as long as a 3v3 round should last

[pliant lintel]

I think 3/4mins is a good number

[outer sky]

Yeah but closer to 3 for me imo

2.5-3

Give or take

[pliant lintel]

I’m having 7/8 min RMP games because we can’t kill anything 😂

[outer sky]

Yeah that SUCKS

I absolutely hate when the game is like that

[pliant lintel]

And I don’t think I have the will power to get legend this season cba

Unless I do it on Assa

[outer sky]

Anyone who queues enough games to get legend as sub needs professional mental health help

[pliant lintel]

Yea idk if I can do it, not even sure we’ll get glad this season

Half the people I queue with are in midnight waiting room playing League of legends

[outer sky]

Im definitely getting glad. I really like this seasons mount

My warlock has been on vacation so I haven't really queued any 3s in a couple weeks

But he gets back Monday

So can probably start farming wins next week

[pliant lintel]

Nahh tbf we haven’t had decent queues, maybe towards the end of season when MMR is a bit higher and it’s easier

[outer sky]

If you're playing RMP this meta is griefing the fuck out of you

Cupid is probably the biggest counter to rmp

Especially fire mage rmp

And right now every other game will be against cupid

[pliant lintel]

Yea well we were waiting for tuning changes until we started queuing but that’s not gone very well so far 😂

[outer sky]

I dont foresee any further changes

[pliant lintel]

I have no issue queueing into counter comps but when there’s literally no outplay then it’s boring

[outer sky]

Theres always outplay since no team will ever play perfectly. But when you need to play 10x better than them to just have a chance then its just fucked

[pliant lintel]

Ye exactly

[outer sky]

I think some things are too big of a counter

For example

Pet sac

[pliant lintel]

Hunters in mages

[outer sky]

Shit like mending bandage for assa rogues and feralz

[pliant lintel]

Yea even then you got bop lay sanc etc etc

[outer sky]

Back before DF warriors used to counter rogues. It felt terrible fighting them but the reason they countered us was becauss they were really tanky, hard to CC, and we didnt get disarm back yet so they could disarm us but we couldn't disarm them. They could run us down and shut us down and we couldn't do much about it

But IMO

Thats a "healthy" counter

Because they still need to play the game

Pet sac and bandage are counters just because they can script them. Like "he pressed combust so now ill pet sac. I counter him"

Thats boring

[pliant lintel]

Yea completely agree

Surv Hunter is just super op and has been for ages just people didn’t really play it

[outer sky]

It's hard to play. Rotationally its mid tier but theres a huge skill element in the fact that its kinda like a melee/ranged hybrid. So like you can do okay from ranged but you really want to be in melee if you can be. So what makes a really good survival hunter is largely how well they can judge when they can be in melee and for how long and when they need to play like a ranged spec. Its a very fun spec to play. I suck at it though

And it competes with BM and MM which are arguably 2 of the most braindead specs in the game

And usually just as good or even better

[pliant lintel]

Yea I played a little bit of survival so I know where you’re coming from

Dunno maybe I queue some boomie rogue see what that’s like, my mage just get shafted by hunters

[grave basin]

[outer sky]

As assa pet sac fucks us too now that we are playing Cold Blood

[grave basin]

ret is fun lol

idk it's so streamlined

[outer sky]

WW is a ton of fun to play its just usually trash tier. WW mastery buffs every button you press as long as its not the same as the previous button. So that incentivizes never pressing the same button twice. And once you get into it its almost rhythmic feeling like you can vibe just doing the rotation

[pliant lintel]

Yea when I did my Assa rogue between 2.1-2.4 90% of my lobbies were hunters I ended up running the Big KB crit talent instead felt a lot better

I swear 2.1-2.3k lobbies are the hardest as well holy f I spent some games there going 3-3 because people trolling or won’t press

[outer sky]

I know this is obvious but it didnt occur to me until someone said it to me before so ill say it to you too.

Hunters cant swap pet sac. So if you Bane and they sac you can tab and just blow your load into the other guy. I swear I totally blanked on that and until recently I was like "that's pet sac guess my go is over"

[pliant lintel]

Yea had a couple of games 1 shotting palas because Hunter would pet sac so I’d tab to pala hahahaha

Then they bop and think they’re safe

[outer sky]

Yeah its weird that somehow spellward is a bigger cuck to assa than bop is right now

[pliant lintel]

Assa is just a weird spec rn tbh

[outer sky]

Yeah it is

[pliant lintel]

It’s like some hybrid sub assa spec

Doing sap > sap > blind > kidney/cheap into triple garrote is toxic though

[grave basin]

problem with ret is 90% are fucking brain dead

and they dont press on your team

then playing against you they use everything in thier spell book

[pliant lintel]

Yea always

[grave basin]

i shoulda gone 3 3 on my latest lobby but the ret on my team didnt press a single button and died

ret still went 5 1 and got his 2.4

unbelievable lol

[pliant lintel]

I bet he’s a 2k player last season also

[sharp sierra]

I’ve been playing my mage a bit more and I have no idea why I’m so ass at fire but ice and arcane is like 2nd knowledge to me

1 stun during combust and I’m just sitting there crying

Fought a rogue and war and nearly gouged my own eyes out

[grave basin]

we need a mage in this lobby

[pliant lintel]

Ohh I mean my mage partner but yea mage is annoying when you get shut down on combust because you don’t really do much outside of it

[stoic spruce]

I was promised shammy was fun

All I got out of shammy was procs and wasted time

[gleaming sentinel]

million keybinds

[hidden moth]

start of season i was top 1% for keys

but

even though im 3400 week 3 or so of season

ive hit 3k

and the title is gonna be 4k+

rating

dont get shit between the 2

[wet crown]

felhunter and succubus mostly

[hidden moth]

what we think best rogue spec in lemix is?

sub for burst damage

[stoic spruce]

lemix?

you mean legion remix?

next youre gonna say we need to call mop remix pemix

[hidden moth]

bro

everyone just says

lemix

kekw

[stoic spruce]

probably assa though since a lot of the stuff procs off damage

[hidden moth]

huh?>

[stoic spruce]

everyone is wrong but me btw

[hidden moth]

shit gets 1 shot

dot classes arnt the play

[stoic spruce]

it procs off damage

a dot can proc the spell

its part of why tanks are so good

[hidden moth]

sure but

stuff is dying in 1 gcd

wont die in 1 gcd as assa

[stoic spruce]

things die in 1 gcd as outlaw

I think assa will be fine

they omega buffed it for dps and healers

its really moreso about your infinite power

I've got a lot so thats why I can do that

[hidden moth]

yeah my dh is 500+ vers rn

but im setting up a rogue on other acct

[grave basin]

@lilac junco hows UH so far

on alpha

[vocal surge]

by nobody else, you mean triple rogues : )

[vocal surge]

1.8k at minimum

[vocal surge]

Assa rogues

Outlaw end game is stacking mastery

after 25% Haste, Crit 50% - 75% (essentially crit overcap if 75), rest Mastery

[wet crown]

insane how outlaw's mast still hasn't changed for midnight

I can't think of a worse mastery from the last three expansions offhand

like even the numerically bad ones would do something

[grave basin]

this game man

the next round

[spring bough]

sin is crazy with high verse on lemix

[stoic spruce]

I believe it

[true warren]

does disarm work on ret, enhance, survival and ww?

[lost quest]

Yes Yes Yes No

[grave basin]

yes yes no no

[pliant lintel]

What are you going to disarm on ret?

[glass hazel]

doesnt work on ret he is literally melee caster

[true warren]

ok so on pal i rather stun when he has wings up?

and run if stun is on dr

[pliant lintel]

ya

i guessing you're talking about blitz?

[glass hazel]

stun\garrote\blind yeah

[gusty hedge]

yes to all but, ret can range u with other spells sure disarm only stops one of reta moves and ww only works if u disarm before fist of fury but yeah pretty much doesnt do much for the 2. Also SV they can still wildfire bomb but im sure mongoose strike is affected by it aswell as eagle fury ultimate (forgot the name).

[gusty hedge]

yeah with wings up wanna cc/ stop his go if he bubbles vanish/cloak (if dotted)(run on stun dr yes, dnt get caught by his stun/30 sec burst cd)

[hidden moth]

hit 80 and at 50 vers in 1 day ez

[glass hazel]

so fast -_- how did you do that?

[dark moon]

u can get to 80 in an hour depending on your % exp bonus. Get someone to farm elite mobs for you in open world eye of azshara

for legion remix that is

[glass hazel]

yeah i got it, thanks

[outer sky]

No yes no no

[true warren]

shuffle

[pliant lintel]

ahh yea just give him micro piss cc on his wings gouge is really good for when people press CD's, don't run if you/your healer isn't in CC and has CD's otherwise you'll loose all pressure and end up losing

you need to keep your momentum up

[spring bough]

the new orc rogue almost 80 and ready for midnight with the new night elf fully legion rep'd out

[grave basin]

trying blitz for the first time and the rdruid is trying to be a hero

so i called him out and he says im 288 rating cause it's literally my 2nd game

meanwhile this is him

how is blitz a real bracket

[spring bough]

just get gud lol

[grave basin]

[static holly]

https://tenor.com/view/chihuahua-bag-chihuahua-bag-dog-carry-air-jail-gif-4494907393940822114

Just carry or die on this hill

Starting on a low mmr is way harder to climb. I know what you mean... Just keep going and do your best. You will have a bunch of good games and a lot of bad ones... Pretty normal

[wet crown]

Heal diff games are the worst. Often nothing you can do but go 3/3 lol

[spring bough]

That’s blizz for u

[jolly sierra]

dude that is cringe af, to say that BS its better to just shut up wtf

i say about that guy

[static holly]

I think a lot of the blitz players don't know the basics or tactics

Katmago is a good example

[runic laurel]

Show your message let’s see if his response is warranted

[spring bough]

That wasn’t in the screenshot for a reason

[lone jasper]

Hello, dont laught at me, my Thristle tea is always used automatically when im low energy. how must i make it to use right :? with burst i know but, it is just used automatically. am i doing wrong the whole time ?

[dark moon]

use tea with shiv + kingsbane (burst window) and dont go below 30 energy in the meantime

[lone jasper]

Ye i use it like that way. But, it uses automatically when im below 30.

[dark moon]

im still mad about this tea change... nobody asked for it, wasnt needed...

[dark moon]

yeah its on the tooltip, blizzard decided to do it at some point last expack i think or this one

just try not spend all of your energy and stay above 40-50

[lone jasper]

Another thing to be controled… just started using focus binding s and macros and i had emotional breakdown. I couldn’t figure out how to set it up properly. bought a Naga with 12 buttons, but I just can’t use it. I don’t like the buttons.

I tried to completely rework my keybindings, but playing became impossible. I couldn’t do anything at all. I went back to my old setup and added focus kick, kidney, cheap shot, and blind. I bound target 1-2-3 to the Naga, and focus 1-2-3 (with Shift) also on the Naga. I’m not sure if I’m doing it right.

[dark moon]

poor thing

[lone jasper]

I hope that someday I’ll finally get used to not switching targets with Tab.

[dark moon]

dont sweat about it. I underwent 2 or 3 keybind overhauls before i was comfortable with my binds. The first couple of days you have so much brain lag, but it gets better after a week. I think the good players suggest having all the important spells for target and then arena 1 2 3, but it didnt work that well for me, so i learned to have target + same button and modifier (shift or alt or ctrl) for focus target and i just switch targets and focus a lot in arenas

for example target arena 1 2 3 is shift + 1/2/3 and focus is F1 F2 F3

and i just use V for blind and shift + v for focus blind

also, since you're using naga, you can try binding the focus spells there if it makes sense for you. Having target blind/kick on keyboard and their focus casts on the naga also works

[lone jasper]

As i use shift 12345 on keyboard very well for main abilities i couldnt do that. So im trying now naga 123 keys(as you call f1f2f3h and shift same keys for targeting and focusing.

For kick, kidney, blind,cheap i made bindings with modifier ctrl. I mean same keys - im used to with ctrl. But im not comfortable to use ctrl yet.

[dark moon]

sounds alright, can you show your bars?

[lone jasper]

Wait, ill take a scrn shot

[dark moon]

ctrl + q is nasty

[lone jasper]

ye its awful..

but Q is my favorite key for kick

[dark moon]

i have the same kick bind, Q, but my focus is shift + Q and my macro for focus shadowstep kick is shift + B and works well as my focus cheap is B, but my cheap target is 1

[sharp sierra]

Mines always been 3 for kick

[lone jasper]

Q - is a new for me as i changed class and its racial, so i can bind easily shift+q at it will be much better

[sharp sierra]

Qertg is like my main rotation

Never understood how people use 123 for abilites

Uncomfy for me

[dark moon]

I dont see you using Y, G, H, J, Z, X

having something on focus on single bind without modifiers is also good if you're having too much trouble using the modifiers

[lone jasper]

i made garrote rupture E - R and DM KB shift E - R but cant get used to iy:(

[lone jasper]

hmm, why its shown like that i have Blind on G.

[wet crown]

I'm assuming they're gonna nerf it in tuning, but with all the talents for it, drain life is pretty dope on alpha r/n

[lone jasper]

how can i use them?

[dark moon]

default action bar starts with 1,2,3,4,5 etc

[dark moon]

my kidney is 5, but shift + 5 is my rupture, so my focus kidney used to be 6, but now is Y and shift + Y is focus shadowstep + focus kidney

[verbal field]

kidney e, rupture r, vanish v, cheap 3, crimson f

[dark moon]

ofc they are far from ideal, but the basics are kinda logical

[lone jasper]

I can’t reach those letters with my fingers except for G.

[verbal field]

my shiv alt + w

[dark moon]

how do you move if alt + w is your shiv

i never learned how to use the WAD keys for spells

only S cause its my tea or shift + s is my crimson vial

[verbal field]

i could move sideways

s is my sap lol

[dark moon]

also, to save space, every macro is target and focus

[verbal field]

vial for me is ctrl + mouse wheel up

[lone jasper]

Everyone plays in their own way. I think it’s impossible to have identical keybindings — some people just happen to overlap. I’m really used to my bindings, and I don’t think they cause any problems. I mean, if they do, I guess I should change them, but I can’t figure out what’s ideal. The keys you use — I don’t use those at all, I can’t even reach them properly with my fingers, even though I have big hands, and pressing Shift+Y would slow me down a lot.

[dark moon]

ofc, identical keybinds is just out of the question, im just giving ideas. You know what feels best for you

[verbal field]

yeah i recently changed some of my binds which were really more annoying than useful, and im still thinking to consider a real mmo mouse

[lone jasper]

Unfortunately, I don’t understand what you showed me in the video 🙁

ah i understood, its shift ctrl modifiers, i suppose

[dark moon]

nothing important, just having some macros for different spells on 1 button

yeah

[lone jasper]

yee, i tried that, but dunno why, i feel better when i see them always. buts its great for saving spaces

[fringe barn]

https://i.imgur.com/GGzxM4b.png

feels like most the stuff on peoples bars is kinda w/e

[dark moon]

I got the inspiration for space saving from this legend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrAjowatJS8

[dark moon]

is your focus target below your target or is it somewhere else?

[lone jasper]

Hmm, I didn’t quite get the question, sorry.

[dark moon]

wyeah

[dark moon]

is it like that or focus is somwehre on the left/right

[fringe barn]

default cursor tracker is insane

[dark moon]

i can give the wildest most autistic suggestion as it worked for me. That's if you want to bind some spells on the naga.

[lone jasper]

By the way, do you know any video guide I could follow to set up my graphics properly? Even though I have good specs, I’m getting only 80–100 FPS in Dornogal, while today someone streamed with lower specs than mine and had over 200 FPS there — and outside of Dornogal, around 400+.

[dark moon]

my focus used to be under my arena frames (on the right) and each spell i wanted to have on the naga (using it with my right hand) i forced myself to think - target on the right - mouse spell

depends on addons, but in the city hub it gets on the low end. I'd ask copilot or chatgpt for your specs what would be the optimal settings

[lone jasper]

internesting! do u also use naga?

[dark moon]

yes

cant play without it

[lone jasper]

can you tell me what abilities you use on Naga keys?

[true warren]

as sub rogue, are stats like that alright for shuffle? i could switch one or both vers/mast crafted daggers for the CQ crit/vers if needed. i also use 8x masterful sapphire vers/mast

[potent pivot]

I think fps in cities is largely dependent on cpu

[potent pivot]

That’s fine

FPS in cities is also just going to be worse than anywhere else in game for most people

[dark moon]

currently (after all my keybinds evolution) - meld macroed with stealth, evasion, my outside of arena focus macro, my mount, open all bags button, ping, health potion, healthstone, shroud of concealment, friendly shadowstep (for the healers)

[potent pivot]

I rarely see anyone get that high in dorn

[lone jasper]

yes but that guy had lower pc then mine and had 200+ in dornoga when i have 80-90

[potent pivot]

Define lower

[lone jasper]

RTX 5070

[potent pivot]

Gpu is whatever for wow really

What was the other guys cpu

[lone jasper]

ah so almost none of main abilities.

[lone jasper]

i didnt ask.

[potent pivot]

Then how do you know he had lower specs

If he had worse gpu/memory but had an AMD X3D cpu for example

Would make sense that they had better fps in a city imo

[lone jasper]

ill ask him tomorrow for sure. i asked him only the graphics card and it was 4070

[potent pivot]

Ah

Yeah wow is just weird when it comes to specs

Gpu barely matters compared to cpu for certain stuff

[lone jasper]

I see...

[potent pivot]

Assuming you don’t have your fps limited by the settings or your monitor ye?

[lone jasper]

ingame settings? or other thing? i have there 144, max as my HDMI cable handles

[potent pivot]

In game/windows settings etc

If you get higher fps outside of dorn n stuff then they’re prolly fine

[lone jasper]

Ye its high outside ofc. With high-ultra settings i have 95-110 fps in dornogal

[potent pivot]

Oh. That’s already good

You won’t really notice a difference between 100 and 144

[lone jasper]

@dark moon @potent pivot Thank you very much, friends, for your feedback and for taking the time to give me advice. It's late here already, and tomorrow is a workday. I wish you a successful week!

[vocal surge]

Where's Slice and Dice?

[fringe barn]

its a passive

[vocal surge]

Its cooldown reduction

[fringe barn]

when u dispatch it gives slice and dice no ?

[vocal surge]

Ye

But if you cant dispatch and you cant BTE

You slice and dice

[fringe barn]

i dont know when that ever happens

[vocal surge]

Kiting, post combat, or during fights when your being rooted a lot

50/50 chance to flip a tails coin
Supercharged Combo Points aren't consumed by Slice and Dice while affecting it
While Out of Combat, there's a decent chance you'll start a Slice and Dice chain that can give upwards of +1.5mins of CDR without the need of fighting someone

[fringe barn]

how does it start a chain

ill put it on my bars for that sounds interesting

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t consume the supercharged points so you can spam it

[vocal surge]

^

[potent pivot]

It’s a min max thing, not a hard requirement

[fringe barn]

it does on mine

1s

[potent pivot]

Huh

[fringe barn]

that's gunna imbed surely

[potent pivot]

Nop

[fringe barn]

https://i.imgur.com/itdrOWx.gif

ok well click it

LMAO

that's me pressing snd, getting a refund 20% proc, then using it

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[fringe barn]

https://tenor.com/view/hakase-nichijou-city-imageperms-image-gif-14266088836892708433

[vocal surge]

Small chain

[fringe barn]

ok ya so its just the rng talent

i can see how that could be useful

prob too min max for me to worry abt tho

[vocal surge]

x)

[jaunty osprey]

i love when your abilities that proc a coin

also proc your wound poison

which in turn has a chance to proc your coin as well

[wet crown]

single core speeds really

otherwise any modern day cpu would laugh at wow, but engine be old

[turbid ore]

tryna find a new class to play but literally nothing is as fun as rogue

[outer sky]

Yeah ive fought that battle a few times. Also learning a new class is annoying af. Like right now im trying to learn survival hunter and its just so frustrating

Idk what else to do besides spam games

But surv hunter is a spec ive wanted to be good at for a while now

And ive pretty much lost all motivation to push rating

So I figure now would be a good time

[potent pivot]

Feral/surv/dk/dh/warr

In order of “most fun”

Sometimes I like DH more than surv tho depending on the design at the time

[outer sky]

Which DK and warr specs? Also where do the rogue specs rank? And the other hunter specs?

[potent pivot]

Rogue is usually my favorite regardless of spec but sometimes I get bored or frustrated at the state of it

[outer sky]

I would play feral if they'd get rid of cyclone. I find cyclone spam for all druid specs to be INCREDIBLY degenerate and just generally unfun

[potent pivot]

I like frost dk/fury warr and fuck the other hunter specs

Arms warr is kinda fun sometimes though

[outer sky]

Yeah the other hunter specs are piss I agree

Surv or bust

[potent pivot]

Like when arms was really good in s1 or s2 idr

That was fun af

It felt great to smash ppl on it

[outer sky]

Oh you forgot to rank ww monk. Thats a really fun spec

[potent pivot]

Didn’t forget

For me it didn’t even rank cuz I’ve barely played it

[outer sky]

But the problem with warr and ww in general is that they need so much uptime to be good that if the meta doesnt allow for that they just feel awful to play

[potent pivot]

Just doesn’t stand out as fun to me

It used to be a fun spec in m+ when it had that green thingy

The necro ability from sl?

[outer sky]

Like obv every melee wants uptime but warriors and windwalkers absolutely need it

[potent pivot]

But meh

[outer sky]

Fleshcraft?

[potent pivot]

Naw

The offensive one

Was it bonedust brew?

[outer sky]

Weapons of Order

[molten hedge]

This is pretty spot on for me. Feral may be a little lower but prob only bc I mained it a lot. Next ssn feral looks nice

[outer sky]

Do you play surv?

I need a mentor

[potent pivot]

It was something else

[molten hedge]

I’m like 2300 on surv iirc it’s been a while

[potent pivot]

Something that got added to the new talents and then removed

Coulda swore it was bonedust but idfk

[outer sky]

Im so new to the spec that even a vod review wouldn't help me

Im just in the fight floundering

[turbid ore]

gearing is so annoying as well

have to spend so much time to gear for a class u might not even like

[potent pivot]

Surv is a bit weird cuz u can play it like a ranged spec half the time

[outer sky]

A vod review would just be like "umm yeah so you should actually press the other 50% of your buttons"

[potent pivot]

Kiting and doing dmg from afar

[molten hedge]

Bicmex’s guide is rly in depth

It’s like a 2 hour guide lol he’s funny

[potent pivot]

^ye

[outer sky]

I watched his guide he made it sound like astrophysics

[molten hedge]

I like that trick/bug where you can harpoon and los on a pillar and it won’t put it on cd

[outer sky]

Like bro idk what these buttons even do

[potent pivot]

Think you can pretty much tell if you’ll like a spec while you level it, then gearing with crates is ez

[outer sky]

Gearing has gotten WAY faster. It used to take Iike 5x the time it takes now

[molten hedge]

TLDR build tip of the spear and spend em

[potent pivot]

You should track Tip yea

[outer sky]

Yeah I have a weakaura for it i try and spend it on flank and eagle

[molten hedge]

You want tip for every spender

It’s too much dmg to not have

[jaunty mirage]

Also however much you press mongoose, press it 70% less

[potent pivot]

Every what spender

Focus spender?

[molten hedge]

Like you don’t wanna explosive shot before having tip

Or bomb

[potent pivot]

Idk if things changed from s1 much

But it wasn’t the end of the world then

[molten hedge]

Isn’t it like a 15-20% mod

[jaunty mirage]

It’s mostly during burst

[jaunty mirage]

It’s closer to 35 with everything available

[molten hedge]

It does happen yeah but I try not to spam stuff if I have kill command

[jaunty mirage]

But you shouldn’t focus too much on it imo

[potent pivot]

There’s times where you can’t fit the extra global in beforehand

[molten hedge]

Surv does so much dam it’s wild

[outer sky]

But thats not what im really having trouble with. I can do fine hitting a training dummy. I just get overwhelmed when im actually in a game and I have a boomie incarning on me and a pally casting rep on my healer and then its like I know what the damage should be but I dont know it well enough so I start floundering and trying to think about damage, CC, kiting, defensives, etc all during the game and then I inevitably just dont press shit right or dont press shit at all

[potent pivot]

Sounds like you just need reps rly

[molten hedge]

Yeah. Feign is ur first line of defense im sure yk that tho

[jaunty mirage]

Tbh surv isn’t massively harder than sub rogue, it’s just that it’s such a unique playstyle you kinda have to really get into it to get good at it

[potent pivot]

Yep

[jaunty mirage]

And if you can’t really get into it then it isn’t gonna be as fun

Bicmex is good at sv for the same reason petkick is good at unholy

They’re both freaks who don’t play anything else ever

On the whole most people I know who hard main sv barely play other chars

[outer sky]

Like on my rogues, regardless of the spec, i know how to do damage so well that I legit dont even have to think about it at all. And that frees up my brain to think about what's actually happening in the game. I know the most specific, minor inerractions that every button has with everything else so if I choose to press something or not I know exactly what that'll look like. So going from that to a spec and class im totally new to, especially one thats more difficult, and it just feels terrible

[jaunty mirage]

It’s just harder to jump into when you aren’t super invested in the playstyle even if you’re a good player

[molten hedge]

Not having a ranged kick is my least favorite thing about surv

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah it’s wonky as hell

[molten hedge]

And the amount of stuff you can’t press when your pets slowed or rooted also kinda sucks

[outer sky]

Nah im a newbie surv hunter and even i can tell already that the worst thing about the spec is your own damage breaking your traps

[molten hedge]

Yeah that too. I don’t play radiant power for that reason. Bicmex told me it breaks traps sometimes too

[jaunty mirage]

Been like that for a while though so most sv players just got used to it hahaha

[molten hedge]

Bismix*

[outer sky]

Ngl if I dont need disarm or bandage id probably just take diamond ice. The shorter trap duration isnt really a downside when for all practical purposes without it your traps only last 1s

[molten hedge]

The only bad part about diamond ice imo is you can’t chim to time the silence off trap, but it’s not the end of the world

[jaunty mirage]

Sometimes in shuffle you are forced to run diamond cause people are idiots

[outer sky]

Yeah but I think its worth

[molten hedge]

Idk if you guys knew this. Whaazz taught me this. Druids Remove corruption removes the silence from chim shot

Idk how many silences I’ve dispelled on my feral

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

[molten hedge]

I do have a WA tho. So idk if I’ll be doing it in midnight outside of 3s

[outer sky]

Yeah I learned that last season playing assa boomie when my healer flamed my boomie for not doing that

Did you know if you garrote silence a ret and he presses Wake of Ashes he won't get wings from it lol

[molten hedge]

Yeah you did mention that. That’s crazy

[outer sky]

Thats so extremely troll

[molten hedge]

My friend msgd me ln that if you rupture into fade, it will apply internal bleeding but won’t spend combo points

I haven’t tested but that’s interesting if true

[outer sky]

Basically that garrote silence is a 40% damage reduction for 8s

[outer sky]

But it doesnt apply the rupture? If not then thats not very impactful

[molten hedge]

He didn’t mention that. It was just a weird mechanic of the game that I found interesting

Why does assa shit on Pres so hard

Lmao

[outer sky]

Yeah my hardest hits ever have all been on pres

[molten hedge]

It must feel so bad dying through commune even if u use it at like a reasonable hp too

[outer sky]

Theres this garbage tier healer named Meep who thinks hes some kind of wow God and I spam queued into him like 5x last week playing his pres and I beat him every single time and it was never even close

[molten hedge]

Lmaooo

What about shaofsilence. My friend was pushing r1 on mw last San

Ssn

And he would leave games before they would register a loss so my friend wouldn’t get credit for the win

My friend ended up getting r1 and he was like 1 or 2 spots from r1 so all was well

[outer sky]

When i queue drunk I do shit like this. I play horribly and get really toxic about it. Like on Friday I think I went 0-6 3 lobbies in a row absolutely shit faced and the entire time I was flaming everyone else

I actually woke up feeling embarrassed about it

[molten hedge]

LMFAO

Was it anyone you knew

[outer sky]

No but I did get angry whispers i dont remember who from though

That happens like every month or so

[molten hedge]

Damn hopefully you don’t get banned

[outer sky]

Its why my win rate on one of my rogues is so bad

[molten hedge]

You don’t wanna lose ur acct that would suck

[outer sky]

Yeah I mean im toxic but not like tos toxic

[molten hedge]

They’ll get you for anything nowadays I feel like

Maybe ppl just aren’t reporting

[outer sky]

Yeah they will

Blitz is the real ban magnet

[molten hedge]

Oh fr I don’t ever blitz

[outer sky]

Everyone in this discord

Who has been banned

Has gotten banned in blitz

I got a 1 week ban from blitz

@fathom crag got one too

Lots of people

[molten hedge]

I haven’t been banned a lot but it was for stupid stuff

[outer sky]

Its because in blitz theres this idea that a good rogue can carry the team. If youre above a certain rating, you must be a good rogue. If your team loses then that means you couldn't carry. And since youre a good rogue and a good rogue can carry, you must be throwing. So then all 7 people report you for de-ranking all at once and it triggers an instant ban just about

[molten hedge]

I can relate. I have a similar story but not in blitz. That’s crazy tho so dumb

I had 2 shuffles with the same dk. And both times he refused to touch the destro lock. So I said are you dumb? And got banned. Then a few months later I was “boosting” my own alt on my 2nd acct on siren isle. And the real boosters got pissed and we’re whispering me. And I told them I can lvl my characters here they can’t stop me. And they said if you don’t leave we’ll report you. And sure enough I got a ban for boosting the next day

How poetic. I get banned for boosting by boosters.

[outer sky]

Yeah and blizzard pretty much never accepts ban appeals either

[molten hedge]

They didn’t

[outer sky]

In fact I dont think i can think of a time where they have

Idk what you'd need to do to get your ban lifted

[molten hedge]

My healer/good friend had 7 million gold

He logs in one day

All his alts are at banks

Blizz tells him to go fuck himself

They can rly be pricks

[outer sky]

I remember when I started playing this game, if you had an issue and submitted a ticket, you'd wait and eventually a customer support person from blizzard would legit message you in game

Like on a character

Now days they just auto email you a middle finger 🖕

[molten hedge]

Yeah everything’s automated. And if it really is from game master insert the stupidest name here, it’s a copy pasta

[outer sky]

Yeah a scam

[fringe barn]

is this rage bait

[potent pivot]

no

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/those-were-the-days-curtis-payne-house-of-payne-good-times-good-memories-gif-22163985

[fringe barn]

everything on that list with the exception of feral basically just w keys at someone

[gleaming sentinel]

That’s the game now though

[potent pivot]

idk i only play melee and those are my favorites other than rogue ofc

[fringe barn]

ya i mean true but he said as fun as rogue, which is like not that

unless ur assa i guess

even then not really

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw is very gaspedal, with drive by stuns if you aren’t bad

Even sub kinda has to stay in now lol

[potent pivot]

what i said had nothing to do with rogue in general

[outer sky]

The only melee that legit just W key are warriors and windwalker monks

[turbid ore]

i havent tried sub yet

heard its worse so havent bothered

[fringe barn]

u should look at midnight changes to see what looks cool

[outer sky]

Its the best spec for RMP

[fringe barn]

imma play udk if outlaw is cooked in midnight

so i can have a billion minions

[turbid ore]

i just got good at assa i hate to play a diff spec and suck again

ok well not rlly good

but 1800 in shuffle and 2's is good enough in my opinion with only 5 days playtime

[fringe barn]

as long as u get weapon ench thats all that matters B)

[outer sky]

My fallback when rogues are fried has historically been WW monk but with them having taken away keefers dash it jist feels SO BAD. So ive been trying to find a new fallback but nothing really seems to be sticking. Rogue (all specs) and WW monk are all i can break 2.4 as. Next closest is devoker which i got to 2.1 but I swear it just does so much damage right now that anyone could get 2.1 as dev if youre geared

[molten hedge]

Feral

[outer sky]

No.

[molten hedge]

Y

[outer sky]

I dont like cyclone

[molten hedge]

You don’t have to clone

[potent pivot]

feral is basically the 4th rogue spec

[molten hedge]

As much at least

[fringe barn]

u r a sentinel against the darkness that is cyclone being op

[molten hedge]

Transitioning from feral to rog was such an adjustment. You get so used to shifting roots, not being able to be poly’d easily, having an on demand defensive in bear, skinning while in a stun. And endless clones and roots.

[potent pivot]

going from rogue to feral was insane

felt like a god

[molten hedge]

Yeah hahaha I can see that

[outer sky]

Maybe I'll give it another try

[turbid ore]

i might have to level a druid

[molten hedge]

Cloning someone’s offensives/defensives is very satisfying albeit a lot of ferals don’t clone a ton these days

[outer sky]

I know some people who can afk speed level you from 1-80 for just 200k

[molten hedge]

Just during critical moments where it’s good

[outer sky]

IMO cyclone, time stop, ice wall, and life grip should all be grey'd out in PvP until the player has reached 2.7k xp as that spec

[molten hedge]

Hell I’ll watch axtin and he’ll just W key ppl sometimes not multi bleeding

[turbid ore]

life grip i agree

[outer sky]

I did a shuffle with him a few hours ago

[turbid ore]

when im about to drop a fat envenmon u keep ur grubby fucking hands off me

[molten hedge]

Feral deff doesn’t feel super good in shuffle compared to assa. It just doesn’t have that mmmmfph

[outer sky]

On my dev evoker if people piss me off I'll time stop them on their CDs and pretend I just dont know any better

[turbid ore]

i think i was spoiled by starting the game as assa idk

nothing feels as good as 100-0 ppl on assa

[outer sky]

"Sorry bro I saw you in smoke bomb and its just a reflex to time stop. I didnt realize that was your bomb!"

[fringe barn]

"how can i tell if its not enemy bomb?"

pure rage bait

[molten hedge]

My hyping up baker earlier so he’ll rage bait more on twitter

[molten hedge]

Just line up a maim or clone on healer before feral frenzy that helped me a lot last ssn

[outer sky]

Like this guy. I griefed him so hard. He was healing and when I saw him running in to spirit link I time stopped the guy who was dying and just played it off as though I was trying to save him too

[molten hedge]

Lmfaooo

Classic

[outer sky]

One thing about rogue though thats really hard to get used to not having is shadow step

Its the best mobility CD in the game

[turbid ore]

is there any class whos damage distribution feels comparable to rogue

[outer sky]

What do you mean

Like pad meaningless damage for 95% of the game and then randomly one shot somebody?

[turbid ore]

yeah pretty much

XD

im considering a ww monk

i have a lvl 70 that i gave up on lowkey

[outer sky]

Ive played WW a lot. It feels kind of shit right now because they took away keefers dash this expansion. They also extended the CD on a lot of mobility cooldowns and recently they added a talent called Slicing Winds which does a shit ton of damage but it replaced Serpent Kick. Which means you have to choose between using it for damage or mobility which feels like shit. WW is very rarely any good, it doesnt do much else besides damage. The kit is very limited. And it needs extremely high uptime to feel capable. Into things like devokers, mages, and even decent hunters the games feel next to impossible. Its very frustrating to play right now. I also cant remember the last time it was a top tier spec.

However, the damage rotation is a lot of fun. Its very satisfying and dynamic

But I think the damage profile youre describing is pretty unique to rogues. Theres this running joke (thats actually kind of true) that every season rogues all play the same build until one of us actually bothers to read what our talents do and realizes that theres a way to do 80% of someone's hp in 1 global and then we all play that build until it gets nerfed

[lone jasper]

@potent pivot amd ryzen 7 7800x3d this is the cpu of that guy

[potent pivot]

makes sense then yep

[jaunty mirage]

A tale as old as time

[grave basin]

Ww is just a poor man's dh

Ww/enhance are """""fun""""" to play in a vacuum when you're just hitting target dummies

Next minute you're just waddling for 90% of the game

Wouldn't feel nearly as bad if conduit actually scaled to this season but It kinda hits samey as last. My slicing winds max crit for 5m which is the same as last season

Shadow pan is basically just non fatal dam till you build up max lightning stacks with images to potentially 70-0

(you will get instantly microd)

[outer sky]

I saw a 7.3m slicing winds

[grave basin]

That's on the high end for sure

[grave basin]

One thing I Wana try is 2pc conduit

But I'm alrdy full crafted with eng bracers on my monk and close to 2nd Dr on mastery

7.3m is every proc in the game maybe

[dark moon]

Midnight cannot come faster... game is so boring atm

[wanton breach]

ugh I want that elite tabard

[dark moon]

Go go, nows the time

[wanton breach]

not sure about what to play for it tho, thinking about MM bg blitz

[grave basin]

im just playing a spec ive never played much before

arms

[wanton breach]

arms is fun even though it's not the greatest

feels decently tanky

[grave basin]

ye both hero talents feel good

im just swapping between the two

[wanton breach]

colossus for me is matchup dependent, feels like crap against hunters/mages

[stoic spruce]

I'm waiting for Brawlers Guild

Now that's good content

[grave basin]

every lobby has a hunter

lol

[dark moon]

now or planned for midnight?

[grave basin]

now

just to pass the time

[dark moon]

learning a new class/spec helps pass the time

[grave basin]

well it's either that or make a 4th monk/3rd hunter

[dark moon]

i almost tried blitz this season, but left queue after 2 minutes

[grave basin]

technically alrdy have the 4th onk

it's just in remix

[dark moon]

ive beaten remix pretty much

leaning towards mop as new season will have some cooool rewards

[grave basin]

idk i enjoy retail when it's like from a fresh perspective

[dark moon]

same, everything new and not played before feels magical the first time 😛

[spring bough]

Blitz probably the easiest way to do it

[grave basin]

if youre playing mm then for sure blitz yea

i think he;s trying to send a message

[stoic spruce]

Full of whimsy

[lone jasper]

Just took 1800 in blitz and it was real madness without healer partner.

[dark moon]

nice, congrats! I dont know the tactics and what im supposed to do as a rogue and dont have the courage to queue

[lone jasper]

im not the best in tactics, but practice gave me fast reaction how to move and where to be. more to go...

[true warren]

as sub in shuffle, do i only wanna pop blades if i can follow up by two back to back dance + symbols?

[static holly]

If anyone wants to unlock any hidden Artefact appearances, do it in retail. Doesn't work in lemix

[sick moth]

hey guys. anyone got an assa pvp build i can use to get going? just coming back

[dark moon]

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[outer sky]

No you dont need 2 dances to blades and in fact in most cases its a bad thing to chain them because if you got any value out of the 1st dance then you won't have any stun DRs for the 2nd one. You definitely want symbols though

[sick moth]

thank you!

[wet crown]

at least he's doing it intentionally

but man pvpers suck at mogging lol

[fallen wharf]

Haven't played rogue in 2 years.. what's the easier one to pick up right now, Sin or Sub?

[pliant lintel]

sin

[fallen wharf]

Thanks - any reliable guide for typical rotation/upkeep?

[spring bough]

Well I’m screwed on rating. Fifth round. Power browned out. Internet went out and can’t get my computer to boot back on 🪦

[grave basin]

Dont worry most likely your cr got rekt but your MMR stayed the same

[outer sky]

Highly unlikely

If you DC out of a lobby, your MMR still adjusts based on your wins and losses for that lobby

[grave basin]

Isn't the whole point of dcing from the lobby to maintain mmr

I'm talking about those who do it on purpose

[outer sky]

Youre supposed to do it when you see a really bad lobby upon loading in. Not after you've already lost a bunch of rounds

If you do that then your MMR stays the same and you just lose CR

But he DCd on round 5

So his MMR definitely didnt stay the same

[grave basin]

Well rip then

😭

Good news atleast, beta is tmr

Finally

[fathom crag]

no arenas yet

i think

later on the beta

[outer sky]

Tomorrow im going out drinking and am gunna come home and play beta

[stoic spruce]

I'm not gonna play beta

[gleaming sentinel]

just won a bgb 1500-1499 with a last second crystal cap. grapple ftw

[outer sky]

im only doing it because the rogue pvp community basically relies on me now to theorycraft the meta build for the 1st season of the new xpac so they can all clown on me and then eventually end up playing it without crediting me

[stoic spruce]

Been there

I already have the perfect theoretical outlaw build

Just gotta wait for launch so it'll be null and void after beta tuning

[potent pivot]

?

[outer sky]

You remember

[hidden moth]

2 destro locks in this shuffle

wtaff

nothing i can do to stop 2 locks doing choas bolt spam

wtaf is this lobby

i get enemy lock 5%

and my lock is nowhere with follow up

wtaf is

spriest and destro rn

[gleaming sentinel]

Trimaz has a good guide on youtube

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/UUPSPdJyoW

[potent pivot]

ez

love how that haven't even implemented the cc DR api yet

surely thats a good sign right

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-game-no-life-anime-wall-gif-20356400

When your lobby should be a guaranteed 3-3 healer difference and you go 1-5 due to MASSIVE fuck ups from team members

and then new lobby is a 3-0 into an afk

[outer sky]

like wtf even is this. 2 cauts and 2 disarms?

[jaunty mirage]

All-caster lobbies suck