pvp

[outer sky]

Stun>12s CD starts>dance>its still on CD

[potent pivot]

no

it ignores its cd

[outer sky]

I thought it meant if you vanish or dance then it wouldn't go on CD

[fathom crag]

yea its still on cd but the game gives u a free charge its like yellow glowing and MEANWHILE the cd is going still

[potent pivot]

it should do this too ye

but it'll let u cheap even if its on cd as well

[outer sky]

Ok then yeah its better than 2 charges for sub

[fathom crag]

then we go to the point

assa/outlaw will be omega useless if it doesnt do a shit ton of damage

but then whats the fun though

i play rogue cus i like ccs

[spring bough]

Damn bro we don’t talk about it 😂

[fathom crag]

i mean we need to see the PvP on beta see how it feels

[spring bough]

Ima pretend outlaw S tier for season one midnight

[fathom crag]

but why would u play these specs if u got no ccs

and warrior/dh/dk outdamages u

[outer sky]

Yeah but no class will have a lot of CCs so its not like you can just swap to something else to scratch that itch.

[potent pivot]

we are the warriors now

[potent pivot]

is feral losing any cc?

i didn't check

[outer sky]

I think so

[fathom crag]

i really think they should make kidney 20sec & 6sec duration + make blind 6sec

so were useful

if we lose cheap shot u know

[outer sky]

They dont want blind>sap or kidney>sap in the game

[fathom crag]

ye then i guess remove all the ccs

[lime oar]

those were the good ol days

[fathom crag]

and make us do big damage 0 ccs

its very fun i guess

[outer sky]

I actually didn't like blind>sap because I hated being expected to do it lol

[stoic spruce]

Easier to balance that way tbh

[spring bough]

I never did it

[lime oar]

it was sooo much easier than what we have now tho

[stoic spruce]

Esp when everyone is losing stuff

[fathom crag]

quick video so u can understand

@outer sky

[gleaming sentinel]

I don’t want to play dh

[stoic spruce]

As long as we have blind, gouge, kidney, and disarm, I'm fine. Which is what more than some classes can say.

Also I got a ping but didn't see what it said

And its lost to time so I won't find it

[outer sky]

Disarm is the 1 CC that actually needs to be pruned

[stoic spruce]

Only rogues and warriors should have it imo

[outer sky]

That shit needs to either go away all together or go on a longer CD

[stoic spruce]

Rogues and warriors should have an MS and DK gets a health absorb

No else gets it

[fathom crag]

but lowkey sub is gna be insane

and very fun with the haste build

[potent pivot]

i don't think feral is losing any cc?

[outer sky]

Does sub still have sectec?

[potent pivot]

yes

[outer sky]

Fuck

[fathom crag]

you mean secret tech?

[outer sky]

I hate that button lol

Its so clunky

[fathom crag]

im not playing it

[stoic spruce]

It's like bte but with shadow ninjas

[fathom crag]

whole sub tree is about shadowstrike so mastery becomes less mandatory than before

[potent pivot]

[fathom crag]

im playing this

[gleaming sentinel]

Secret tech killing blow is crazy vibey

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw killing blows will be from SS hitting twice

[gleaming sentinel]

Mainnnnnn gaucheeee

[fathom crag]

they changed so many talents that are now buffing shadowstrike man

its gna be fun

[potent pivot]

goremaw could be fun

[fathom crag]

yea i could drop 1 finality for goremaw

[outer sky]

IMO sub should be stun people, build with strike, spend with evisc

[fathom crag]

i agree

but IMO

[gleaming sentinel]

Doesn’t it? lol

[fathom crag]

some new playstyle is good for the game

i like changes

it gives me some classic vibes

big ambush

[stoic spruce]

I love the premise of the new bte

[gleaming sentinel]

Same actually

The more I’ve thought about it

[outer sky]

Theyre trying to shoehorn all this extra stuff into it like sectec which always just felt horrible to me

[potent pivot]

thats practically all it is already

[gleaming sentinel]

Staying in the fight etc

[fathom crag]

cus sub is literally same as DF its the same boring shit rupture ppl secret tech n shit i cba

at least were changing now

but ur right when u do big evis it feels good

i remember SL kyrian was a lot of fun

[stoic spruce]

Idk how high it stacks but Guy said he got it to 10

[outer sky]

Yeah for like a week then emergency hotfix

[fathom crag]

hahaha

it was still good

in unchained season

when u land on the blue CP

[outer sky]

I went Venthyr

[fathom crag]

ye i played venthyr mainly as well

w the flag vanish

[gleaming sentinel]

Like in a solo Q setting, if we’re balanced around kidney / gouge and notbcheap spam… maybe a good shuffle spec

[stoic spruce]

Venthyr gsw peak

[outer sky]

I played 1 dance and just killed people in duels through every defensive

[fathom crag]

🤣

[stoic spruce]

If there's less to coordinate then yeah for sure

Not for me anyway

I ain't playing that garbage lol

[gleaming sentinel]

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw officially not stealth focused

[stoic spruce]

Crazy

[fathom crag]

so much memories...

[stoic spruce]

Crazy how bfa really solidified outlaws spot as a stealthless rogue

[fathom crag]

ogs remember between the eyes as a ranged stun

that had CDR

[stoic spruce]

What a great ability

[fathom crag]

plunder armor bro...

[stoic spruce]

[fathom crag]

legion outlaw was peak

https://youtu.be/gAlJnvl_NsA?t=34

[outer sky]

@fathom crag

https://www.twitch.tv/mmarkers/clip/AmericanBreakablePineappleImGlitch-eMq78BonGrRbbmo5

[fathom crag]

taku 100-0 loony through skin w plunder armor

& the belf at the end

the old belf man

[fathom crag]

bro HAHA

duel was so good

i actually forgot about that spell

everyone was playing BM

[stoic spruce]

Shadowy duel

That fuckin talent

Idk if I've hated anything more in pvp

[fathom crag]

shadowlands great times man

2400 in 3s was like #4000 or smth

[stoic spruce]

Any Outlaws in here starting arenas on their mounts in Midnight?

Stealth? Wdym?

Speak into the mic

[fathom crag]

its good they remove the stealth gameplay

[spring bough]

Mounting in on my VENGEANCE and showing off

[wet crown]

it's not. It should be optional. WTF is subterfuge even for

Wrong reply lol

but like

Rogue needs more self healing or some shit to make up for this, because literally what the fuck is a rogue doing in pvp now

[stoic spruce]

Me pulling up on the block in the dreadwake

[wet crown]

i feel like an afflock can probably afk and kill an outlaw on alpha r/n lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Tbc glad mount for the billionth season in a row since I’m not good enough for the new ones

[wet crown]

and half of aff doesn't even work

[stoic spruce]

I think the overall changes to every class is too broad to make assumptions atm

[wet crown]

I mean tuning will happen and whatever tf near the end

[gleaming sentinel]

Complain early and complain often

[wet crown]

but in terms of toolkit I'm really not seeing a compelling reason to be a rogue besides loving rogue.

[stoic spruce]

Sure but in terms of defensives and utility and such.

Rogue still has a lot of ST CC

[wet crown]

Well i've been forum banned since wod and the only other outlaw player is a wowhead writer so gg

[stoic spruce]

Culled yes but we'll see come beta

[gleaming sentinel]

Sub players seem to be really excited in PvP

[wet crown]

not dooming anymore?

They're the only ones that can still spam cheap shot so I guess it makes sense

[stoic spruce]

Sub gets a second cheapshot

Sub is sub

[wet crown]

I thought it was three

[stoic spruce]

They should never cry

[gleaming sentinel]

And 8seconds of dance

[wet crown]

free + 2 charges

dogshit change btw

Hate it

[outer sky]

I still had almost half the kidney left too. He could have had iron bark on him and id still of killed him there

[potent pivot]

Idk I always think the opposite. They should have done their jobs properly and designed stealth things better and fixed all the damn bugs.

I love playing around stealth/vanish/subterfuge

[fathom crag]

i do too but not on outlaw

[wet crown]

what did you do to him good lord

[fathom crag]

for me outlaw is like the brawler spec

like warrior 2.0

but with ccs

[potent pivot]

Ya

[wet crown]

It needs sustain or it's gonna be like putting a small pony against conquest

[fathom crag]

and yes it wouldve been better without these shit bugs

[outer sky]

Venthyr sub rogue with the 1 dance build. If I got your trinket you cant survive unless you had an immunity

[wet crown]

like

Crimson vial ain't it chief

[fathom crag]

legion crimson vial wouldve saved u tho...

[wet crown]

gimme that feint heal back, it'd be trash but it'd be better than vial lmao

[potent pivot]

I don’t mind rogue defensives

I don’t want to be like DH or warr

[fathom crag]

feint is too good atm

it needs a nerf without being delusional

[wet crown]

kinda don't have a choice

without vanish

or we can just be shit

[potent pivot]

I’m talking about healing

[outer sky]

This was later that same afternoon. Look how fast i 100-0d this guy in a duel

https://www.twitch.tv/mmarkers/clip/RichFantasticMochaFutureMan-q6xitMxi3QiA2Kg5

[wet crown]

every other class is keeping their sustain stuff for the most part

either we get some of that or we're just kinda ass outside very niche situations

[potent pivot]

What sustain is being lost

[fathom crag]

shouldve roared u in duel but u had trinket for it anyway

[wet crown]

not losing sustain

but without our vanish and vanish utilities we're going to wish we had more sustain when every other melee is outhealing us effortlessly

[fathom crag]

haha if they had wekauras man in that clip they can just pre wall pre bark i dont think u go through

[potent pivot]

That’s completely tuning dependent

[fathom crag]

midnight is gna be so fun without addons

[wet crown]

You have faith in the tuning? >_>

[fathom crag]

u wont get stopped 0.1 on dance

[potent pivot]

Just saying we can’t really have any good discussion about things that are tuning reliant

Because lord knows what it’s gonna look like

[wet crown]

Idc about discussion, think we should sound the alarms NOW or it's gonna remain shit probably

Take a page out of the paladin book, apparently that works.

[potent pivot]

Idk

I don’t think we need sustain

[wet crown]

also burn down the server or something

[potent pivot]

How many people do you think are going to turn to using illegal addons

[fathom crag]

u think it will be a thing?

[potent pivot]

I do

[outer sky]

1000000000000000000000%

[potent pivot]

Some people already use full on pvp bots or just kick bots etc

I think more people will be willing to use illegal addons than those

[fathom crag]

WTS Mes Midnight weakauras 50$

that mes pack man

gna be hella expensive...

[potent pivot]

I also think people will get better at watching enemy buffs

Like they should have been from the start really, but used WAs instead

I heard BBF/BBP is continuing in midnight

So it’ll probably still be possible to add glows and enlarge certain buffs on enemy frames etc

[outer sky]

Well theres a real chance that illegal add-ons will be so prevalent that it will practically create a situation where you have to cheat to win

Thats something im afraid of

The entire top of the ladder being mostly players using them

[lime oar]

i vote we all just brainless zug and don’t look at any buffs

[outer sky]

And I dont think blizzard will even do anything about it. Theres a prot pally who has an actual youtube video going around about the strategies he uses to win trade and he's somehow still not banned

[lime oar]

Everyone just full on tunnel

all the tanks win trade it’s a criminal underground fr

[outer sky]

I dont think tanks should be eligible for r1s in arena. Actually I dont think they should even be allowed to queue arena in the first place. At least not rated. But, one battle at a time

[dark kernel]

This build is probably pure ASS in shuffle, but when teammates dont recognize shaman is cheese 1 shot and dont make moves to kick

anytime an enemy player gets down to like 75% HP they just die

[stoic spruce]

You're gonna be fighting that battle forever tbh

Blizz won't prevent players from queuing based on role

[wet crown]

nah i love queuing into a tank in rss and getting 3 wins at best because of it

fucking get that troll shit outta here

_>

[stoic spruce]

Tanks are such a non issue anyway

There's only a handful of them

But sub rogues?

Far worse

Every match up is rmp and cupid

[outer sky]

Theyre a non issue now because of tuning.

Tuning changes and they become an issue

Its happened before

[stoic spruce]

They're tuned pretty good rn

Bdk keeping up with most dps specs

Vdh being vdh

Which ain't new tbh

[outer sky]

Nah man

You should have seen early SL prot paladin

[stoic spruce]

I did

[outer sky]

It saw play in AWC

[stoic spruce]

I played with one too

[outer sky]

And did alright

Yeah thats what I want to avoid

[stoic spruce]

Why

[outer sky]

If that ever happens the game is trash

[stoic spruce]

I'd rather tanks in my 3s than MW being good tbh

Solo shuffle fine

Idrc about that

[outer sky]

Its really just prot pally tbh

[stoic spruce]

Teah..Yeah.

[outer sky]

Prot warrior can be annoying too

But pally

My god

That shit

If its ever even decent

The game is so bad

[stoic spruce]

Unholy/prot warr/hpal tsg =unkillable

Bodyguard go brrrr

[outer sky]

The entire concept of a tank doesnt fit with the format of arena

The idea of a tank is to either take a ton of damage and never die or just never take damage

Mixing that design philosophy with arena is just aids

[stoic spruce]

Nothing does. Every spec is designed with pve in mind and pvp as an afterthought maybe. Pvp is just a formality atp.

[outer sky]

Thats just a game design flaw from the eyes of pvpers

[dark kernel]

Tanking only works for pvp games like Warhammer

where the game is designed for big team battles

[outer sky]

But in an abstract sense tanks and arena dont mix well

[stoic spruce]

Tanks should provide a more support role. Area denial and stuff for bgs.

[outer sky]

Tanks in pvp are fine. Just not arena. Theyre perfectly alright in BGs

And the reason why

Is because in BGs

The objective doesn't necessarily depend on killing the enemy team

So a tank can mesh with that

But not arena

[stoic spruce]

Idk

I'm still more pro tank than pro sub

Or pro ret

[outer sky]

When prot pally is good its just a more aids version of ret

[fathom crag]

but sub is so fun to face tho

[outer sky]

Sub dies 100-0 in a stun all day long

[stoic spruce]

Everyone does, that's why human is one of the best pvp races

[fathom crag]

why

[outer sky]

No thats not true at all

Warlocks dont

Priests don't

Mages don't

[fathom crag]

how is human good

[outer sky]

Pallys dont

[stoic spruce]

Will to survive

[fathom crag]

it’s awful ?

just play orc and u will never die in a stun no ?

[outer sky]

Druids don't

[stoic spruce]

You don't track their stuff do you?

[outer sky]

Of course I do

[stoic spruce]

I don't think you do

[outer sky]

Yes if you get their CDs everything can die

But a sub rogue cant press anything while stunned

You just need his trinket

Thats something true for very few classes

[stoic spruce]

Did you call a stun break awful?

[fathom crag]

yea human is terrible

orc just better by far overall

[stoic spruce]

Orc is nerfed by half and the dmg racial is negligible at best

???

[fathom crag]

orc nerfed but still counters sub

sub will miss 1 global damage if he restuns u

u wont die if he restuns

if he doesn’t restun and decide to kill u have a gap to either

feint vanish cloak anything

yes human u will get a second trinket earlier but u will get triple cheap shotted every 20 sec

so it’s pointless

looks sick tho

[outer sky]

Yeah the only reason to play human over orc if youre concerned about stuns is if youre playing a class that cant be an orc

[stoic spruce]

Yall

Come on now

[outer sky]

Like Human is really good for paladins because they cant be orc anyway and even if they could, they can talent into orc racial and it doesn't stack

[stoic spruce]

I'm not saying they're better than orc

I'm saying it's not terrible

[fathom crag]

u said it’s one of the best

[stoic spruce]

It is

Top 5 for sure

So tell me how that means its better than orc

[outer sky]

Well yeah but so many races arent even played

Hes saying its bad because if youre worried about stuns just play orc

[stoic spruce]

Mecha gnome will see a resurgence

Mark my words

[outer sky]

But also your premise is false

Not everyone dies in a stun

Very few classes do

Go open on a warlock without a trinket and try and kill him in a stun DR

[stoic spruce]

Again?

I'm at work

[outer sky]

He has to be afk

Or it won't happen

[stoic spruce]

No, my teammates just coordinates CCs and Silences

Though in shuffle idk

[outer sky]

He can wall and dark pact while silenced

[stoic spruce]

I probably couldn't

[outer sky]

And stunned

Priests can disperse

Like the list is exhaustive

There's very few classes where you can kill them in a stun lock if you can just get their trinket

[stoic spruce]

Idk, I usually win by 2nd go if we live that long from random 1 shots

Which

I'm pretty sure they didn't actually nerf black arrow

Performative nerf for sure

"See? We're doing stuff."

[outer sky]

@fathom crag the one argument i can see for human over orc for sub rogues is into sub/fire RMP. Because if the fire mage has combust he can kill you by himself even in the shortened stun lock. So in that situation since orc or no orc youre dead if you get caught without a trinket and Combusted on then its probably better to just have the 2nd trinket

[stoic spruce]

I'm actually so excited to see how pvp damage profiles change in midnight

Fire mage looks so Zzz

Rip Fire fr

If there are still random ass 1 shots, I'm gonna be livid.

[hybrid palm]

I mean, what kind of set up does one even need to track this stuff, curious

[stoic spruce]

Soon you can't :P

[jaunty mirage]

Def not race changing cause I’m not really good enough for it to matter

Plus I don’t like playing orc

[vocal surge]

10/10 Legion Remix content

[wanton breach]

haha

[turbid ore]

guy wins 1 round and starts talkin shit

[true warren]

what is this spell and why can it stun me 4 times in a row + another stun spell without DR?

[pliant lintel]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=213688/fel-cleave

demo warlock pvp talent, it's troll

[vocal surge]

Boots acquired (Heroic)

[hardy bough]

Against Pres as sin (3s) when can you start sending goes on them? Post trinket post communion, or earlier?

[outer sky]

if theyre low you can kill them through communion

If they dont have trinket and you do your go on them youre pretty much guaranteed to get their commune

[gusty hedge]

dam thats how the new raid is going? bout to get on after 2 days

[gusty hedge]

more context
this looks like u started it

[hardy bough]

So if they trinket opener you can send second kidney for communion and then send second dm on them to kill

But first go is likely dps

[outer sky]

well theyd have trinket back

you dont need DM to kill them just kingsbane tbh

dragons take the dick from assa rogues

idk why

but all of my hardest hitting shit has always been on them

[spring bough]

No addons 2026 the reckoning is upon us

[molten hedge]

Agree them and mages

Mages take the mostest

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough @dark kernel @vocal surge did all my Laws turn Sin?!?!
been peepin whats going on?

[hardy bough]

Would you start on pres or only after trinket

[outer sky]

https://www.twitch.tv/notmes/clip/DiligentRockySoybeanDancingBaby-TgayiXPQKO7NCU1e @hardy bough

I'd usually go them after trinket

[hardy bough]

Alright fire ty sir

[spring bough]

Moonlighting as sin but my solo rating is higher on sin somehow 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

i didnt even get tagged, we're down bad

[dark kernel]

I'm still predominantly playing outlaw. Funny enough higher mmr in 3s rn

[outer sky]

realistically you dont really want to "go" them as much as you want to kill them in a swap. If they suspect youre trying to kill them they can play really defensively and its kinda aids

[hardy bough]

Okay so don’t like actively go them just swap if they push in or something

[outer sky]

yeah

my lock usually starts the go

like he coils him from a distance then I stun off of it

[stoic spruce]

Imagine rerolling

I've played the same 3 specs my entire career

[outer sky]

as outlaw you have to reroll a lot

bad buffs

[stoic spruce]

You youngins don't know how to stick to a spec these days

[hardy bough]

I’ll try this with my warlock when we play next, ty 🙂

[gleaming sentinel]

i played druid from vanilla to shadowlands

[outer sky]

I swap specs often enough but ive mained rogue since 2018

[stoic spruce]

Df s3 tier my boved

Beloved

Wtf

[outer sky]

thing is, once you get used to having garrote silence, it feels really bad not having it

so whenever assa is meta it takes me a while to swap off of it

i also dont like grappling hook for outlaw

[spring bough]

Garrote silence too OP

[gleaming sentinel]

outlwa losing cdr on a bunch of stuff is gonna feel terrible

[stoic spruce]

So evasion cdr loss will suck

But my cope is that I remember playing without it so I'll be fine

I also sometimes don't play it now and just take sting

However that's gone too

So

:(

[outer sky]

hm it looks like the Inevitable End build is falling out of favor for assa

[pliant lintel]

I except people have finally made weakauras for kingsbane so they just auto press now, at least with the other talent you're guaranteed to do some damage 🤷‍♂️

they finally realised death mark does nothing

[outer sky]

this guy left the game when I was 2-0

I killed him in a smoke bomb through enraged regen

says "eat shit"

i said I just did

and he leaves

[jolly sierra]

funny

he wasted 170 CR for that

dat knucklehead

[spring bough]

Why does it take so long to fill out paperwork at dealerships 😭

[pliant lintel]

you brought your jeep bro?

[dark moon]

Epic, hahha

[snow anvil]

Using psychological DPS to earn rating faster, nice

[spring bough]

yeah finally got out of there after 3 hours lol

2024 grand cherokee with 6k miles certified preowned, seems like a steal of a deal

[dark moon]

congrats!

[pliant lintel]

enjoy it bro they're cool!

[turbid ore]

so midnight is trying to make classes more simple and less bursty?

[wet crown]

how much was it lol

[wet crown]

it's dumbing the game down for stupid people, pretty much.

[turbid ore]

yeah idk seems wack

[pliant lintel]

🤢

what a lob

[gleaming sentinel]

Kinda insane you won as ret assa vs that lol

[pliant lintel]

I ran at healer he crumbled, he swapped his lock so i killed lock in a bomb

[spring bough]

40 flat

Liking this lane assist feature that nudges you back into the lane. Pretty cool

[jaunty mirage]

5 win destro gotta be pissed about that last game

[pliant lintel]

was insane game play bro, i sat at a pillar waiting for DR's

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

I remember winning a game vs a destro/hpriest in bfa where we sat behind pillars in nagrand and I would just peak out to bomb and serpent sting and eventually they went oom

Nothing more then they deserved

[outer sky]

Idk about less bursty but simpler yes

[outer sky]

Thats what you have to do. Its extremely degenerate gameplay. If youre ever in their LoS and cant CC them youre in immediate danger of getting one shot

[pliant lintel]

Yea mate trying to go through, dark pact, wall, bop, lay, PSx2 & swap is a pain

Thank god I had a destro lock on my team

R4 I killed the priest after my lock died which was kinda troll

[outer sky]

Yeah he goes through all that in like 3 bolts

[bold laurel]

I saw a duel war vs dk in midnight alpha, shit took forever. At least triple the amount of time it takes now and these guys were trying to win the whole time.

[outer sky]

That doesnt really mean much tbh. Its alpha. Theyre working on the design right now. The numbers will be tuned a million times before launch and even some after launch

[bold laurel]

Only time will tell

[wet crown]

It's nice to see ret get bullied

I love warlock

Always have damage

[signal raven]

is there a good wa to show i can use shadowstrike? i tried to make one but its not showing the icon for some reason.

damn i got an "oldschool" tag.

[outer sky]

just put it on the same keybind as backstab/gloomblade but on your stealth bar. That way any time you can use it you will

[signal raven]

oh.

[signal raven]

lol idk why, maybe it's just to drive me crazy but when i put backstab as 1 out of stealth, and then go into stealth and put shadowstrike in that same slot, i go out of stealth and it makes shadowstrike outside of stealth 1.

basically it won't stick. i'mma try to ask chat gpt or smt.

would this work, or does this cause issues:

#showtooltip
/cast [stealth] Shadowstrike; Backstab

[grave basin]

So anyone can tell if the VW nerfs did anything ?

[outer sky]

yes

it did a lot

it basically killed the spec

[grave basin]

Are you trolling or srs

[outer sky]

serious

even my most optimistic priest main friends are saying its dead

[grave basin]

What's everyone rerolling to

Hpal?

[signal raven]

whytf wouldn't backstab just turn into shadowstrike or gloomblade when stealthed. i feel like that makes the most sense by a fckin mile.

[potent pivot]

because there's been times where pressing backstab during dance was a thing

you should be able to just drag backstab from your spell book, put it on 1, go into stealth, drag shadowstrike to 1

[signal raven]

idk if its some elvui shit but when i do that, shadowstrike just goes into the spot under nonstealthed too. i come out of stealth and surprise, shadowstrike took the damn no stealth slot too

[grave basin]

It's literally a thing rn with danse

[potent pivot]

there's an elvui setting for stealth bar

[potent pivot]

in pve?

[grave basin]

Ye

[potent pivot]

ye

ik its been a thing in pve quite a few times

[potent pivot]

you probably have the elvui stealth bar turned off entirely

thats what its sounding like

[signal raven]

lmao you might be onto something lemme see

[sharp sierra]

Forgot elvui existed, been on BBP for what seems like forever now

[lone jasper]

Hello people, can any1 explain me, why rogues have more mastery than allowed, for example 68+ percent, when it has penalty 10%, if im not wrong.

I always have max stat and trying to gear without penalty. Am i doing wrong?

[fathom crag]

i guess were last season of war within so stats are really high

it’s always like that

end of xpac everyone has big stats

you should still put mastery even tho it DRs

i mean even if penalty just max mastery

[vocal surge]

Really?

[true warren]

does sub rogue in pvp use backstab after dance for danse macabre like in pve?

[fathom crag]

no

[lone jasper]

Thanks a lot for the advice

[fathom crag]

lmk if u got any questions

[dark kernel]

Danse is so reduced in pvp and BS damage so ass that it's just worse than using SS

[fair sparrow]

I know it’s super early to tell, but how does everyone think the midnight changes will effect rogue PvP? I want to main rogue but scared that DR changes will make it bad in PvP

[pliant lintel]

most likely sub will be the pvp spec which is a good thing, Assa and outlaw are very questionable but honestly it all depends on numbers tuning you also got to remember a lot of classes have been pruned so a lot of BS in the game has gone

[fair sparrow]

So you think rogue will be decent at least?like viable? Just worried about DR changes. I love you rogue and will main it regardless just worried it’ll be trash due to DR

[gleaming sentinel]

Sub gonna be good, almost no doubt about it

[pliant lintel]

rogue will always be viable even if it doesn't do any damage the toolkit you have is just suited well to a pvp environment

the DR changes are also nice less micro piss CC and 16 sec DR duration

[pliant lintel]

I think i hate VW disc even more after these changes, they're even worse! not only do they never press dispel/PS/swap now they can't even heal

[grave basin]

i gained 100 cr on my monk post reset

hyped for beta now

gonna have all sorts of dueling schenanigans

[lime oar]

i’m hyped to see ppl messing with specs talents and duels. gonna be interesting for once

[lime oar]

can you explain why? i have barely looked into it tbh but i thought it seemed mid

[gleaming sentinel]

8second dance. Cheap shot and kidney shot are still good abilities

[pliant lintel]

no BS thistle tea, can play double vanish with subterfuge, playing goremaws bite, the rotten, no more desync finality/darkest night, triple symbols of death etc

going to be good

[lime oar]

as a sub refugee this pleases me

if goremaw actually hits hard again that’ll be nice.

[long shore]

Been hearing alot of chatter online.

On how terrible the sub changes are. Not sure if it's just an echo chamber or maybe it's only for Pve in midnight

[pliant lintel]

hopefully but you mostly want because it makes your next 3 finishers cost no energy so you don't get energy starved during dance because no tea/vigour

[pliant lintel]

i think it's mostly PVE it sucks at least they changed the hasted dance cdr, i think sub will be just fine

[true warren]

I'm so confused about sub changes. Initially they said to get rid of flag but now i can't find anything about this anywhere

[pliant lintel]

yea flag is gone it was in one of the first posts about changes, theres no talent for it anymore in the beta talent tree calculator

pressing flag always felt bad anyway

[long shore]

Ya thank goodness flag is gone

We don't need that budget shadowlands talent coming back

Just makes you have an extra button and global to press

[long shore]

Ya would be great if rogues can shine in midnight

[lime oar]

https://youtu.be/lHr536z7xuo?si=Ph1LctidbM9be2S4

interesting watch

[spring bough]

This on live? Lol

[dark moon]

Someone in the subway farted and it's so sour I consider this pvp flagged.

[spring bough]

This is actually diabolical. Might convert a remix rogue to live and do this for shits and giggles

[lime oar]

yeah it’s on live. i wanna try it cuz it looks like he’s melting these players waaay faster than we are with mastery. but idk could just be complete shitters

[spring bough]

Def lost a ton of verse so solo shuffle would probably suck with it a lot of lobby’s

But I guess it wouldn’t matter if your deleting people off the go lol

[lime oar]

strictly for fun yeah

[spring bough]

Wonder how far I could take that exact setup in solo lol

[lime oar]

it would definitely throw people off in the first round lmao

[spring bough]

Everything critting and all the talents just synergizing and ripping 5mil envenoms and more lol. So wicked

[vocal surge]

He's technically doing it in BGs thou

[lime oar]

he is. it’s a meme build but honestly it looks really fun

[vocal surge]

Yee

[wet crown]

Still iffy on the new drs.

[outer sky]

i actually support the DR change

i dont like the pruning of actual CC buttons though

[vocal surge]

@outer sky

Someone checkin' you out

[outer sky]

probably curious how I lost so much rating so fast

dont press queue after shooting tequila

[vocal surge]

lool

[outer sky]

BRO WTF LOL

My lock didnt load in

[dark kernel]

You're at my mmr

Time to queue

[vocal surge]

Egotistical lock lol

For reference, healers didn't come to FC

they just 180'd to mid fights

while our FC got ganked n killed at flag room

[spring bough]

Lock having a bad day 😂

[vocal surge]

Yee lol

Dude spent most of the BGB in the g raveyard

after fighting mid

[jolly sierra]

fkn report him

[spring bough]

We should just let people live and let live

[jolly sierra]

not those ones

they wastes time for their griefing

[spring bough]

Yeah I guess bro spent half the match just typing

[wanton breach]

@fathom crag

[fathom crag]

10/10

[outer sky]

nah bro

[lone jasper]

I have been kicked on loading screen of blitz after the que window poped up twice, with 15 min and 60 min deserter debuff and lost rating. Great thing happened after losing 5 games in a raw. For mood improvement 👍

[potent pivot]

the penalty just means you gain 10% less of the stat from the gear, whatever their % shows, is the % they have. you rarely pay attention to stat DRs when it comes to mastery etc

at least until you hit like 126% or so in some seasons as thats the hard cap iirc

[lone jasper]

Thanks mate 🙂

[vocal surge]

Healre diff lobby on first matchup lol

[fathom crag]

where gladius

[vocal surge]

No Gladius

[spring bough]

Brother plays off pure vibez 😂

[vocal surge]

PvPers the moment Gladius gone

https://tenor.com/view/virus-flu-sick-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-gif-16631627

[dark kernel]

Honestly. After getting nameplate DRs I hardly have to look at gladius

[outer sky]

same

fuck me

I was doing really well in a solo shuffle

then i died

losing 1 round

and just out of reflex

i typed /afk

and lost 150 points

[dark kernel]

You have a reflex to type afk?

God damn

And I thought fat fingering my wow journal mid match was bad

[outer sky]

yeah when i die i just type /afk

[gleaming sentinel]

dont you have to confirm the afk now?

[jolly sierra]

no

its just type and leave

like /gquit

[jolly sierra]

enables in fight as arcane mage

type /cast Arcane Missiles

peak challenge gameplay lol

[dark moon]

I really want healers to have 2 min cd on trinket

[outer sky]

FUCK YES. I HATE this guy OMG fuck you Meep eat shit!

[fringe barn]

if they add DRs to default ui and make cc prio over other debuffs on frames, midnight gunna be fine

[outer sky]

BRUH LOL

[dark kernel]

Just a comfy lil 6M 30% hp crit

[wanton breach]

@fathom crag tried to add the flag colours

[fringe barn]

i just got bfa flashbacks looking at this

[wanton breach]

How so? None of these items wre around in bfa

[potent pivot]

Why lmao

[fathom crag]

pefect

now go male w moustache

[potent pivot]

Meep is chill

[fringe barn]

https://i.imgur.com/Ckl0AaZ.png

[wanton breach]

oh now I understand

[lime oar]

this is how it should be fr 😤

oh shit what are yall using for nameplate DR’s. the addon i used no work no more

[wanton breach]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[potent pivot]

Some people use Diminish, that shit never works for me tho

[outer sky]

No he's the 2nd biggest dick in this game only bested by Crusader and its VERY close

[potent pivot]

I just use gladius for Dr

[potent pivot]

What lmao

Really?

[wanton breach]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/jaxsurrender
outdated but still works

turns afk into /surrender

[outer sky]

I am having so much fun farming this absolute shit tier ass clown

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

so much hate

[neon jasper]

ok

wtf is this

there is no way u play blade rush in pvp 💀 hell naw

[potent pivot]

We have before, quite a lot

[wanton breach]

it used to be the go to

extra mobility, some energy gain

[potent pivot]

The extra gap closer is good

[neon jasper]

interesting

[vocal surge]

YES

[wanton breach]

not sure if the range was different on it

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/yess-yes-gif-25420589

https://tenor.com/view/meme-bob-esponja-gif-2904459546447199840

[vocal surge]

It wasn't uncommon back in Shadowlands to use Blade Rush

the only problem Blade Rush has rn is it does 0 damage

Energy aint a big issue either

[neon jasper]

ye thats why I was like

if it does 0 dam

whats the point of having set anyways lmao

[potent pivot]

Tuning can always change

[outer sky]

thats not a problem

the problem would be if it does do damage

then you have to choose between damage and mobility

[wanton breach]

we will have to wait for tuning before making calls liek that

[vocal surge]

It will do damage thou in Midnight

they triple'd its damage

[neon jasper]

idk I dont like these kind of set bonuses they kinda boring

[vocal surge]

Well

[neon jasper]

they could do something with rolls

[vocal surge]

over tripled actually

88% Attack Power --> 270% Attack Power

[potent pivot]

Tier sets that force different builds are dope

[vocal surge]

The other thing too is that they move the talent up from the capstone area to where Killing Spree was

Which is really good

it didn't belong down there when it was competing against build defining capstones

[keen canopy]

i didnt even know this was like a thing that could happen in a way thats really funny

[wanton breach]

are they gonna be tied to hero talents again?

[keen canopy]

i dont even remember the last time i used blade dance

not blade dance

blade rush

i think i might have cast that ability like 5 times in the past 2 years

[potent pivot]

That seems like a last season type thing

Since they’d have to create 2 different sets for every spec again

[wanton breach]

I honestly like it like this

you aren't forced to play a hero talent because of synergy with tier set forcing a class/spec talent

[neon jasper]

I mean ye u can freely now swich around

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think some of them are good. I just know it’s prolly doh me the work for them to make the sets work for every spec etc

[wanton breach]

yeah

[vocal surge]

I feel like

Outlaw's boutta be in another expac

where Fatebound dominates

[fringe barn]

im new to outlaw does that not make unseen blade look really good

% chance to reset icd on auto attack + 25% chance to double proc + procs off pistol shot AND ss/ambush

vs guaranteed 1 coin on finishers and every 4 finishers its double and hoping its tails

[vocal surge]

The issue isn't if Unseen Blade is good

The issue is Infinite stacking coins triumphs straight damage

Since Flawless Form is capped at 5 stacks, we're just refreshing the buff whenever the UB procs come in

On the other hand Fatebound coins now giving 8% damage on 1st coin and 6% per coin after on heads

Or 25% increased tail damage is nutty

[molten hedge]

You’re just another one of those delusional coin flippers, aren’t ya

[fringe barn]

i didnt know it was infinite i thought it reset at some point

[vocal surge]

Now this is where it splits by spec

[vocal surge]

Go Overflowing Purse on Assa

15% chance per envenom to gain 3 coins

Mean streak is applied to that alongside Destiny Defined

And you got coins pumping in like crazy

For Outlaw, depending on Between the Eyes RNG

Imagine stacking 6% damage increases from Between the Eyes with 8% +6% per subsequent Head coin everytime Crackshot pops off

[outer sky]

Its only going to be as insane as the final numbers tuning allow it to be

Stacking modifiers is only busted if the base damage is already high

And I dont think they'll let that happen

[vocal surge]

Yee

[vocal surge]

This'll dampen Deathstalker for Assa and Trickster for Outlaw hard lol

Either dampen or buff up

Hopefully buff up

[cerulean rapids]

Is arena 1,2,3 macros or focus 1,2,3 macro better ? Or preference ?

Feels insane to me to make 12 extra bindings when I can just make 3, but I guess there’s less input between GCDs that way?

[fathom crag]

arena123 better but only on certain spells

what do you play @cerulean rapids

[cerulean rapids]

Sub

[fathom crag]

cheapshot arena123 mandatory

rest focus

[cerulean rapids]

Is that due to the fact CS is used pretty much always in high tempo

CS heal, CS dps etc

[fathom crag]

yea when ppl r close its just way way faster to have cheap123

instead of tab

[cerulean rapids]

Ah gotcha, makes sense

Not shadow step? Feel like that can be a quick decision sometimes too

[fathom crag]

nah focus

[cerulean rapids]

Or is that because you’re not tab targeting shadowstep

[fathom crag]

yea focus step & focus kidney

[cerulean rapids]

Where as CS is usually 2-3 targ

[fathom crag]

in total u got 4 steps

[cerulean rapids]

Kk

[fathom crag]

1 normal, 1 focus, 1 step + kidney & 1 on ur healer

[cerulean rapids]

Ty for help -

So CS mandatory for arena 1-3 and some shadow step kidney/focus as well

[spring bough]

looks like it. they seeem to hate trickster and dont wanna update it lol

pistol triggering an unseen blade tho seems pretty wicked

and extra strike chance too

[fathom crag]

well every cc u need on focus

but what u will use on arena123 is cheap shot only

[outer sky]

I kinda want deathstalker assa to be the best spec again. I prefer the play style of it over fatebound

[pliant lintel]

i use arena 1/2/3 Cheap shot and sap

rest is focus binds

[pliant lintel]

you want focus blind, focus gouge and focus sap too

[outer sky]

Idk how necessary focus gouge is

Im not saying its bad

But its like by far the least necessary focus macro IMO

[cerulean rapids]

Do you guys tab through your focus targets or have a focus 1,2,3 individual macro

[pliant lintel]

Gouge healer running into bomb, gouge off target cast etc I like it

No have focus 1/2/3 bound

[outer sky]

I just tab target im not tying up like 6 keybinds just to target somebody but plenty of people do

[pliant lintel]

You can tab target that’s fine, just have focus 1/2/3 bound

If you play caster it’s different

Then you want arena 1/2/3 bound

[outer sky]

Yeah caster is a whole other game

[cerulean rapids]

Just to clarify - tab target is cycling through each arena opponent, not mousing over and pressing tab

[outer sky]

Correct. But the game smart targets. You can turn your camera towards someone and it'll prio them for tab

[cerulean rapids]

I saw that option yesterday, it works consistantly does it ?

[outer sky]

Yeah

But like

Another thing I want to say about this

[cerulean rapids]

Turning around to target a bit troll thin

[outer sky]

Is its by far one of the least impactful things about how you play the game

Just figure out something youre comfortable with

[cerulean rapids]

Kk Ty

[outer sky]

Even if on paper its sub optimal

It'll almost never lose you a game

[cerulean rapids]

Heh

[pliant lintel]

have it on player not nearest enemy

you said you're playing sub right?

[cerulean rapids]

Yes

[outer sky]

Up until literally this season, I used to shadow step to my healer by clicking their frame and stepping to them. I didnt have a macro for it. And the ONLY reason I made one was for convenience, not because what i was doing wasnt working

[pliant lintel]

ite make sure you have separate keybind for symbols and get used to it don't just macro it into dance

[outer sky]

But if you ask the average wow PvPer, they'd say you couldn't break 1600 doing that

And I was 2900

I could go back to doing that today if I wanted to and it wouldn't make any difference

[cerulean rapids]

Good to know, so you have a target enemy macro and a target focus ?

[pliant lintel]

my dynamic macros has been broken past 4 days and i've had to click step healer haha

[cerulean rapids]

Feel like you could just mouseover frame step anyway

Save a click

[pliant lintel]

you can yea but it's not something you're going to press all the time

but

[outer sky]

I was talking to this guy in one of the guilds im in who's new to pvp and he was having trouble getting 1800 for the elite said and this guy unironically said it may be because he didnt have a macro to set focus targets and I about spit my coffee out. Like hey if anyone here thinks they cant hit 1800 because of anything to do with macros and targeting then I have a beach front property in Mongolia to sell you

[cerulean rapids]

You’ve got your mouse over the frame anyway to click

Might do that

[pliant lintel]

stepping to your healer can sometimes save you from having to use something like evasion etc

you can easily get 2.4 without target/focus binds but if you're new to pvp or havent set any binds yet why not just do it from day 1 and get used to it it makes gameplay smoother

more so having focus 1/2/3 bound not target 1/2/3

[outer sky]

I'm not saying dont do it i just think people spend way too much mental bandwidth worrying about this shit when maybe they should worry about not backpedaling instead

[pliant lintel]

oh yea i agree

but if i could start from scratch i'd rebind all my shit

i have some horrible binds

[outer sky]

Yeah we all do

[outer sky]

Yeah you see infernal come down so you just step your healer and line instead of having to cloak

Its huge

[pliant lintel]

ye quick step healer dip on pillar for a sec can win you games if you don't have to burn a defensive

or if you're like me a cba waiting for dispel and cloak aggro

[outer sky]

I will only do this if I need to in order to not lose right then and there. Like i'm rooted, my healer is in a clone without a trinket, and my teammate is getting incarn'd on

Cloak the root, step>kidney the boomie

[cerulean rapids]

Is there a reason people don’t mouse over frame for a lot of spells?

[outer sky]

Healers do that shit. Healers are very simple minded creatures. All they look at are enemy nameplates and friendly frames.

[cerulean rapids]

Haha seems like it would save time rather than setting a focus and clicking a macro you can just mouse over with step kidney

Might look into it tonight, doubt you could do it for everything

[pliant lintel]

ill cloak/eva aggro if i know im going to win or im going to force a big CD and can win in the next set up

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-alpha-test-development-notes-tier-sets-class-changes-and-ui-379161

Boissss

[pliant lintel]

then reason you don't want mouse over macros is because you use your mouse to move your character so you can press binds it's the same reason why you jump just so you can press some keybinds etc

[grave basin]

Interesting tier set bonus for outlaw

What if you mouseover kick one of the billion pet summons?

[pliant lintel]

and this ^

[gleaming sentinel]

Blade rush is back on the menu

[pliant lintel]

or you get knocked and accidently blind your kill target or some shit haha

[grave basin]

Iirc blade rush is very important now

Since it's like a main energy generator

You use it on cd

[spring bough]

Can’t wait for that

[gleaming sentinel]

Ngl me too

[spring bough]

Zoomin into people again

[gleaming sentinel]

Watch out fury warriors

[spring bough]

Need that without fast grapple

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s outlaws time to zug

Who needs to cc

[spring bough]

Yeah as long as it pumps lol

[gleaming sentinel]

[grave basin]

Summon Gargoyle has been updated – Army of the Dead now summons a Gargoyle into the battlefield to bombard your enemies for 25 seconds and instantly Putrefies 4 Lesser Ghouls summoned at 100% effectiveness.

[pliant lintel]

probably not

[grave basin]

Cool

So finally Garg is gonna be summoned

[spring bough]

Let me dream lol

[gleaming sentinel]

[spring bough]

They talked about outlaw in the xpack previews gotta be S tier….. 😂

[pliant lintel]

erm

you'll have S tier transmog now at least

now you can mog different weps

[cerulean rapids]

Mouseover frame, not player

[grave basin]

That's so inefficient though

[spring bough]

in a solo right now... just hit a silence on the disc/mage and the second it went off DK dies LOL

[grave basin]

Rallying Cry has been updated – Health granted is increased by 50% when not in a raid.

[outer sky]

almost completely irrelevant

[grave basin]

Rally on live is almost completely useless though

I've seen many warriors just use it for the root break

In midnight it's not gonna have the root break anymore and it goes from 10? To 50%

That's a very healthy change

[wet crown]

I'm still on team garrote for sub

sin can keep the giga bleed but I reject the notion it's sin only

[spring bough]

1882 in solo as a highmountain sin rogue LOL

[outer sky]

half hp to dead in 0.4s through earthern wall totem

[pliant lintel]

nerf cheap shot

[fathom crag]

Outlaw Rogue

2-set bonus: Blade Rush’s damage is increased by 30% and its damage to your primary target is increased by an additional 25%.
4-set bonus: Blade Rush’s cooldown is reduced by 6 seconds and it increases your damage dealt by 5% for 8 seconds.

wtf is that?

[keen canopy]

it's a tier set bonus

[fathom crag]

its awful

[gleaming sentinel]

Cc bot rogue is over

[wet crown]

10000% playing lock in midnight now

all three specs look great.

[vocal surge]

This good

[keen canopy]

i'll probably be playing a lot of void dh it's really cool

but outlaw looks sick too but i guess ill see how it plays when it comes out

[potent pivot]

Could be good

Just depends on tuning

[pliant lintel]

void DH is a safe bet it will be OP first couple of seasons

[wet crown]

demo getting the other pet effects as actual talents

not just pvp talents

so like, spell lock with the guard out

[pliant lintel]

they're also gaining mobility

which is cool

[grave basin]

Void DH looks completely dogshit for PvP

Pve different ofc but it doesn't seem to be built with PvP in mind from what I've seen supa play it

Super squishy with little sustain, your hardest hitting move takes 2 business days to cast

[hidden moth]

What spec was he

[outer sky]

you mean devour?

[hidden moth]

bc i feel like

[grave basin]

Ye devourer

[hidden moth]

felscared gonna be nasty af

[grave basin]

Havoc looks good

Devourer is piss

[hidden moth]

devourer voidscared

was he doing melee combos on it

also depends on tuning tbh

[grave basin]

I mean if your rotational abilities hit like current aimed shot then yea its gonna be busted

But not mechanically busted

Just numbers

[hidden moth]

the melee combos are going to slap

since they are cd based

tied to the hunt and voidblade(1.5 min cd + 30 second cd)

link vid/ clips

[grave basin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_-NocZE_r3E?si=RkZMTHGjIxT_UkTx

Not sure if he knows what he's doing but it doesn't seem like the spec he's playing can do much else

Also asked lvladen (R1 Ret) who has alpha and he said the same thing

[hidden moth]

bro

hje literally said

"i dont know what im doing

like he didnt do 1 coherant thing that whole clip

[grave basin]

We'll see when beta is up

[hidden moth]

didnt even have pvp trinket kekw

[grave basin]

Don't think they can even buy it on alpha

It costs honor

[hidden moth]

either way

cant really make a conclusion whithout gear for pvp that and i doubt he even was in a pvp spec/ had talents for pvp

[wet crown]

ill lowkey be mad if they make it so you can't duel there

[hidden moth]

true

tbh though dev dh assa rogue havok dh prob gonna be what i play da most

[wet crown]

everything is there for warlock to feel great

tuning, who knows

[hidden moth]

meh

destro needs somethiung more tbh

losing free bolt/rof every 15 shards spent/ overfiend tied to it is hurting alot

[outer sky]

IMO pvp needs a whole new design approach. Healing needs to be completely gutted. Every healer needs to have their mana nerfed by at least 30%. Most "oh shit!" Buttons need to be removed or put on substantially longer CDs. And healing in general should be nerfed by 20% flat in pvp. The goal would be for the longest games played to not even be 5 minutes and for most games to end in 1-3 minutes. Im so sick of this dynamic where inevitably we get seasons where every game is a 10 minute damp fest that comes down to mana, or where healers aren't allowed to play the game because healing is so powerful that if the healer is free for 2 globals the whole team can be topped. Thats a horrible design for arena

[sharp sierra]

Healers should also all be able to do considerate damage im ngl. All of that is great but if healers can’t have fun or engage besides being healbots there’s no PvP

No VW damage ofc

[fringe barn]

healers generally play healers to heal..

[outer sky]

Yeah I agree with that. Although I do think that there should be some tradeoff in healing for that damage. That way someone could decide where they want the balance to be between their damage and healing. I actually dont even think VW damage was a problem. The problem was them doing that damage AND as much healing as they were doing. If they did that dam but were struggling to keep their team alive while doing it then I think that's fine

[gleaming sentinel]

Making healing less fun is bad imo

I don’t wanna sit 1hr Qs again

[outer sky]

This is literally the most easily solved problem in the game. Blizzard should be ashamed of themselves for not addressing it.

Healer exclusive transmogs and mounts unlocked after 100, 500, and 1000 wins above 1800, 2100, 2400, and 2700.

Do that and the next day the healers will be the ones sitting 1 hour queues

[fringe barn]

what

[sharp sierra]

pve healers and pvp healers are vastly different creatures

[sharp sierra]

100% agree, make it a CLEAR window of "oh we died because i commited too much damage instead of healing"

[fringe barn]

just fix their mmr and they'll q more, healers go 3-3 probably like 80% of their games and if the lobby is lower mmr they get cooked; while being super punished for losing and gaining nothing. that + rewards

[sharp sierra]

thats also because of low amount of healers

just ties into it

[hidden moth]

tbh

when i heal as disc

i LIVE FOR

not healing but

clutching shit up

fade the cyclone, death the fucking rep

meld the storm bolt

[fringe barn]

meld the hoj into revival the blind

i'd rather have better dps players because it feels good to play healers in good games w good players, than just statically more damage on my x ability

[hidden moth]

nah

watching people fucking die los of their healer to ult pen

is just

nothing in this world can make me nut harder tbh

[hidden moth]

kekw

hpal full fuckin greens

[hidden moth]

2x edge case from dm into shiv kb for 2x edge case envenom

so nasty

@outer sky

[hidden moth]

people talking shit

then this is their check pvp

is fucking tragic

my check pvp for comparison
havnt even done 150 rounds of shuffle this season and im approching 2400 fast

[hidden moth]

@outer sky

thoughts on how to win this lobby on nagrand

ret pal hpal rsham ele sham arcane mage

[gleaming sentinel]

Barf

[outer sky]

I mean I wouldn't be super upset with that 2-4

I assume the 2 you won were the rounds where the mage was on your team?

Hmm maybe not

Im sure you won the round where you had both the mage and the resto shaman

[hidden moth]

no

no lol

didnt win a round with the rsham

[outer sky]

Which 2 did you win

[hidden moth]

he was hella trolling

me ret hpal

me mage rsham

sorry

was incorrect

but

[lone jasper]

The topic above touches on a very relevant and sensitive issue for me. Starting this Saturday, I’m planning to switch to a 12-button mouse and play using arena1-2-3 and focus1-2-3 targeting, but my head is a complete tornado right now. I’m so used to my current keybindings that replacing them feels almost impossible. If anyone has time, I’d really appreciate some help. maybe an example of how to organize new bindings using the mouse and what to assign them to. Right now, I play using the keyboard, and practically every useful key is already bound with Shift combinations.

[hidden moth]

i threw round 4

[outer sky]

If you beat arcane/ele/rsham as assa/ret/hpal someone on their team mustve trolled hard af

[hidden moth]

we won bc i got a clutch spell bop into 2nd spell bop

[outer sky]

I love how that word is allowed but the non PC word for mentally challenged isnt

Anyway

[hidden moth]

its not

i got a message from moroes

[outer sky]

Ah lol

That dudes always hitting me up

[hidden moth]

but that "word" may as well be "pussy"

lmfao

that and eu people say it all the fucking time so

legit we won round 1

ret says who?

i say who i think we should focus then rsham replies

"dont talk" "training wheel spec" trash player"

start of round 2 havnt even played a round with the guy

[outer sky]

So ill never say any match is unwinnable but of all the rounds you lost, the most winnable of them would have been when your team was assa/ele/rsham vs arcane/ret/hpal

But its so aids man lol

[hidden moth]

felt winable but i wasnt abvle to stick to mage

and was being ran through like a diddy party

everyones daamge feels so high rn even outside of cds

[outer sky]

Yeah idk if mage is really the play ngl. Because even when you connect you have 2 sacs to deal with

[hidden moth]

i legit had to keep trying to play for restealths and feel halfway useless

yeah thats my thoughts but thats what ele wnated

[outer sky]

Id probably try and force a bubble then blow up a pally with ascendance

[hidden moth]

truye

[outer sky]

Cuz like you should be able to get a bubble pretty easily. Most likely the ret's because the hpal will get sancd

But if you stun the ret he cant magic bop

So if he doesn't have trinket he has to either bubble or regular bop

[hidden moth]

ret kept

chasing me los of his heal

on other side of map as well

[outer sky]

If he regular bops it should be insta purged because you have 2 shamans that game