pvp

[outer sky]

doing damage is easy

its the not dying while getting trained by melee part

that im having trouble with

[pliant lintel]

try some blitz on dev i bet that's fun

[pliant lintel]

i find it hilarious when people die to sudden death half way across the map

[outer sky]

Ive had it where they die after I die

[outer sky]

The funniest shit ever though is when a warlock dies to sudden demise in the middle of gating across the map

Or warrior mid leap

Did I show you guys the video where I one shot this warlock and his priest flies away as he dies

Its from my lock's PoV

The priest at the end lol

[pliant lintel]

lmao

if my healer did that he'd be kicked and black listed

[noble venture]

As well as double garroting, is it optimal to double rupture if all desired targets are dotted?

[outer sky]

Its less important because rupture doesnt get buffed by anything that makes it hit harder out of stealth

That you'd want to extend

But if you want to pandemic effect rupture just so you dont have to think about it for a while you can

I will do that if the entire enemy team is stacked and I have indiscriminate carnage

Basically taking advantage of the fact that theyre all in my melee range to put the longest duration dots on them as I can

[noble venture]

I see I see, thanks

I'm trying to figure out how to get better dot uptime in general, it feels like a mobility issue (Wasted shadowsteps)

I'm vanishing a lot in the first minute of my games, so I've considered just getting uptime in those CC windows

But no clue ahah

Obviously there are moments where I can dot, but particularly rough when fighting melee and caster

[outer sky]

Try not to blow through your vanishes too fast. Make sure you alternate vanish and shadowmeld. Never vanish twice without melding in between. You want both cooling down not just 1

[noble venture]

Yeah

Generally I'll meld first, then vanish next

[outer sky]

Thats fine

[noble venture]

I should post a vod here sometime, I think I'm over complicating my games

3v3 mobility is very different than 2v2 ahhaah

[outer sky]

Post away

[pliant lintel]

sounds like what I was doing when I started playing assa

trying to play it like sub

[outer sky]

You mean yesterday? Lol

[pliant lintel]

ye

kek

[outer sky]

But yeah common problem

[pliant lintel]

nahh i spoke to zicore and figured it out in 3/4 lobbies after that haha

as soon as i got out of the mindset everything needs to be CC'd and i needed big garrote up for burst it was pretty straight forward

[outer sky]

o7

[pliant lintel]

sounds weird but your 'burst' is a completely different thing to your bleeds

idk if that makes sense

[noble venture]

As far as the CC thing goes, my warlocks generally don't do much unless I stun both DPS

Maybe this is incorrect

[outer sky]

Yeah the bleeds just apply passive pressure in between

[spring bough]

got a DK to 80 today too with remix

400% xp gains zooms

[outer sky]

Idk how to play lock so I cant help you with that. Generally speaking a good lock won't need you to CC everybody for them. They can cover someone themselves

[noble venture]

I see I see

[outer sky]

Here, weary traveler. Take this map. For it will guide you to your desired destination

[noble venture]

ahha saw this yeah

[spring bough]

bro do u get a commission for posting that

[spring bough]

pin it

[outer sky]

Im not a mod and @potent pivot didnt pin it when I pinged him too

[potent pivot]

I usually don’t add rotational things because of how situational they are

[outer sky]

Its not rotational. Its just how to think about subdividing your CDs. The kidney could be on the healer

Its just showing what CDs to use each 30s interval

[molten hedge]

I like melding before vanish myself bc at least if it bugs I’m not completely fcked lmao

[noble venture]

That's a good reason

Sometimes it's situational for me, if I need the snare clear or etc

[molten hedge]

Giga chads vanish to clear roots

👀

[noble venture]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f4GnrLbrz0QijeTBSLRRkHRuVpEqL-RM/view?usp=sharing
Here's a 3v3 vod from today's session. I chose this one because it's long, and I generally played how I currently want to, so hopefully there's something to pick on here hahah..
I figure that there must've been some way to end this game faster

[spring bough]

i maybe do this a lot lol

outlaw habits lol

[outer sky]

Ill take a look when I get home. I have a queue of vod reviews to do

[molten hedge]

@spring bough this priest

going 0-6

i think

[noble venture]

Thank you

[spring bough]

which one are u lol

[molten hedge]

HUunter

havent played in soo long

HAAAAAAA

@spring bough my man

[spring bough]

oh hell yeah got that priest a win

[molten hedge]

lmfaooo

he ran on top the locks port round 1 and got like triple feared and repped

BM is so braindead i havent played this in so long

[spring bough]

that priest talked shit? lol

[potent pivot]

Anything like that is just too rigid

[molten hedge]

yea lmfao

i was like ohhh shit its vancleef

the lock said go rog i said uhhh lets not

[spring bough]

yall got me the round with the priest lol

[molten hedge]

idt anyone wouldve been safe with him lmfao

he would get ccd for 15 seconds then try to mind blast when we were all dead like bro its too late its time to trade something lol

[spring bough]

2.3 2.6mil coins

[jaunty mirage]

Is this the meme build

[spring bough]

nah that was the regular fatebound build

coins went crazy before that death log lol

i got a 5mil envenom just now with the meme build

[stoic spruce]

I love coming here and getting my pvp fix lol

[spring bough]

you should play

[stoic spruce]

I'll pass ty

[pliant lintel]

Probably the most sensible option tbh 😂

[stoic spruce]

"Do you want to play rated random bgs and rated skirmish or do you want to have fun?"

[gleaming sentinel]

Just comes in here and says mean shit

[stoic spruce]

It'll change come midnight

This outlaw ain't fun

[spring bough]

well what if u say that season 1 midnight...

[outer sky]

I cant see where your CDs are. Deathmark or Kingsbane

[stoic spruce]

Now that I know what's coming, I've lost all will to play.

[stoic spruce]

Nah it's almost a 1:1 with how it's played in the past.

[spring bough]

be like my play a sin rogue thats tauren and troll urself out of a 3rd restealth

[stoic spruce]

I like remix though

Playing outlaw with that

[gleaming sentinel]

300 vers outlaw is pretty Pog

[stoic spruce]

I'm gcd locked with all the haste. Never ever run out of energy ever

[grave basin]

@outer sky when you play too much hunter

i accidentally made the mail ones

on my rog

😭

[spring bough]

about to do a void disc on remix

[turbid ore]

double assass is so fun icl

[outer sky]

Lol I misclicked once and made an intellect dagger

[spring bough]

you on? 3s?

[outer sky]

sure I'll queue for a bit. Is Verm on?

[spring bough]

yeah

[vocal surge]

Ye

Eating mah stuffed bellpeppers

[outer sky]

I cant queue forever but I can do some

[hidden moth]

@grave basin

[grave basin]

say cheese

[grave basin]

ur a legend m8

[hidden moth]

❤️

got azliey and delusional coinflip aotc

[vocal surge]

You took a photo of me tripping

[dark moon]

Healers are very useless on remix

Better off as shadow

[turbid ore]

im stuck in the 1700s again

this time on my rogue 🙁

save me from this hellscape

🤣

[stoic spruce]

Sorry I only help outlaw rogues 💅

[plush delta]

If I wanted to try rogue in pvp (as someone who has at most done casual bgs) is it a high bar to learn?

Always felt like rogue had more responsibility with stuns etc than other classes and it put me off

[stoic spruce]

Kinda, yeah.

It's more to think about

[plush delta]

Maybe I’ll just rip the band-aid off and try it soon

Had the goal that I want all the pvp sets each season of midnight but unsure how achievable that’ll be

[pastel burrow]

there's no better way to learn than to get in there and smash it, you got this 💪

rogue has a higher skill ceiling in pvp for sure but its very rewarding when it clicks

[plush delta]

Hell yeah I’m motivated

I’ll post back when I have my set from this patch 😉

[fathom crag]

u can start w assa

p easy to play compare to outlaw or sub

and also big impact if you know what to do at the right times

[plush delta]

Nice, will do

Cheers!

[hidden moth]

high key

i look bad ass in tghat pic

[noble venture]

They were a little cut off due to OBS being setup incorrectly

But here they are

[tight hill]

hope you don't mind, being nosy with the vod. You blind healer in open and kidneys not used till 40 secs. If you kidneyed healer instead here and had blind at 02:00 you could have blinded off smoke and warr dies

[pliant lintel]

mmm the blind was fine you got priest trinket but then he pops GS and warrior has die by the sword rolling so you'll struggle to kill through it so kidney was kinda wasted on priest, everything on DR so i'd wait it out warrior dies in a bomb next go anyway

the sap at the start is kinda

[noble venture]

I see I see

Yeah the opener was pretty troll ahahha

You think if I get any melees trinket, next stun should be a win?

I guess warrior is a good example since trinket is all they really have

[vocal surge]

PvP players seem better than PvE players lol

imo

[stoic spruce]

They are

I've yet to see the contrary in many a years

[gleaming sentinel]

sub gaming :>

[stoic spruce]

Loser

Don't @ me again

[noble venture]

It's difficult to compare the two.. Blizzard seems to think all 2500rio is the same as 2400 in pvp, you can basically fall asleep at the keyboard in M+

[vocal surge]

Yeee

2500 io is 1800 PvP

+3k where it starts to get equivalent

To 2100

[gleaming sentinel]

1 tricking is so 2008. I’m trying to be great

[noble venture]

Does a 2500io player even know how to use defensives

that's my question

[stoic spruce]

I bet you play nelf too

[gleaming sentinel]

[vocal surge]

Prob not

I had a 2k priest ilvl 728 die multiple times to mechanics

All while having an addon installed telling the whole group who took damage

In mah +7

I had to carry that group through my key on the DPS side

[gleaming sentinel]

I have 5 rogues dawg

[vocal surge]

Also Schtabby took me to get AOTC

[stoic spruce]

A bad apple ruins the bunch

[vocal surge]

Was beating people at doing mechanics and was outdpsing people +20 - 30 ilvls above me

Without the use of addons

Especially on Dimensius

[noble venture]

I think both PVP and PVE have "infinitely" scaling difficulty

[vocal surge]

First time exposure on Heroic

[noble venture]

So they both equalize at some point I guess

[gleaming sentinel]

they are just entirely different game modes

[noble venture]

But the rewards are the issue IMO

[vocal surge]

PvP has a finite cap depending on inflation

[noble venture]

Yeah

[vocal surge]

Whereas M+ goes infinite

[gleaming sentinel]

3k io when turboboost exists is whatever

[vocal surge]

But at that point its a matter of practice and rotation

[noble venture]

I just think the time investment you need to put into either form of content to get the seasonal rewards is not equal

[stoic spruce]

Well, M+ gets to a point where you just die to a mobs auto attack. In theory it's infinite but in practice not really.

[vocal surge]

PvP is heavily skill based

And partially how op your class is

[stoic spruce]

No argument there

[noble venture]

I think the skills needed in PVP are far more abstract

So it's a bit more challenging to learn in some way

[vocal surge]

You use so much more of your kit in PvP than in PvE

[stoic spruce]

They don't even use gouge in pve

I couldn't fathom

That mfer always on CD for me

[vocal surge]

Lol

M+ CC = Interrupt

[gleaming sentinel]

high end m+ players usually do pretty good in shuffle

[vocal surge]

PvP CC = Secure the Kill

[gleaming sentinel]

because they can just blast

[noble venture]

I mean it's not the PVE players fault that blizzard loves them, we're just bitter

hahaha

[stoic spruce]

ST cc is also poopy doodoo in pve

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[stoic spruce]

I mean

Rogue, the ST CC king, getting an aoe blind because it lacks CC in pve is honestly crazy.

[vocal surge]

Yee

The aoe blind change is good

Since we've always lacked CC

[noble venture]

They should revert the CC length change

: (

[stoic spruce]

I don't like it. I just know I'm gonna clear my teammates dots.

[vocal surge]

Tru

[stoic spruce]

I'm more upset about that than vanish cdr tbh lol

I know I probably shouldn't but I feel ill adapt to that alright

[vocal surge]

Lol

Time to grind +10s

And finish Heroic

Then do Mythic Manaforge

Prayge for them special boots

[stoic spruce]

[gleaming sentinel]

hesitant about that part too, idk bro

[stoic spruce]

I'm not worried about the cdr part, I'm worried about how frequent stealth will bug out while I'm running away

It's cool they're taking stealth stuff away from Outlaw but I think the CDR part was too heavy

[vocal surge]

[spring bough]

lfg pains

[jolly sierra]

for a moment i've read your name as "Bookworm Outlaw" i was like wtf since when

[pliant lintel]

🤓

[midnight grove]

does main gauche scale with the weapon at all?

it says it hits with the offhand but is it some sperate number or does it matter if your offhand is a slower weapon instead of dagger

[vocal surge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Main Gauche does Main Gauche things

it says it scales with .1% attack power

but it scales far stronger than that

10% mastery effectively doubles the damage it deals

[midnight grove]

yea but does the weapon matter?

dont you want a slower weapon in that case?

[copper arrow]

Will assa rogues be able to have 2 cheap shots for every vanish in midnight?

With the 12 sec cd on cheapshot and 2 charges of it, has anyone actually mapped out how this affects assa rogues go’s?

[noble venture]

I presumed it was 2 charges, and 1 charge refresh on vanish

I am also interested

[copper arrow]

I thought the 1 charge refresh is for sub only when they hit shadow dance

[noble venture]

I honestly have no clue ahha

[copper arrow]

Yeh I heard it’s shadow dance only

[worthy tinsel]

This has never made sense to me:

X has to be interrupted or big bad happens.

Rogue: "Shit, kick is on CD!"

Cast gets off.

.. Mob is stunnable.

[pliant lintel]

nahh it's only sub

it's not really 2 charges

[noble venture]

I wonder if sub will take over as the dominant pvp spec

[midnight grove]

isnt it already?

outlaw is basically a meme

[pliant lintel]

so is sub

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw is the best at the top of the ladder

3s

[midnight grove]

how

[gleaming sentinel]

enables casters well

[pliant lintel]

ye CDR on vanish is nice basically have a set up every time DR is off

[outer sky]

the entire rogue class is a meme except for when certain casters are completely busted and need someone to CC shit for them

And when that happens rogue becomes good

@gleaming sentinel was this DH you?

[gleaming sentinel]

nope

copy cat

[fathom crag]

i just find outlaw cringe atm

ur only really good in 3s/blitz

useless in other brackets

if ur playing assa rn ur top tier in 2s/3s/blitz/shuffle everything

[pliant lintel]

sub is kind of in the same boat

damp spec waiting for somebody to trinket air

[molten hedge]

I hate fighting sub fire and sub boomie lmao

A lot of subs trinket air tho

Aggro

So I do enjoy killing them

[outer sky]

sub is just badly designed. The whole spec is built just to 100-0n someone in a bomb. So if it's ever tuned to not be able to reliably do that, it just turns into a stun bot

[pliant lintel]

you just delay until your mage has combust ez win

[outer sky]

I wish they would just revert the design change they made in Legion to sub

[sharp sierra]

Yeah ngl if I wanted to play a buff class I’d just play Aug

Then again hearing that refund sound go off 10x is #1 sound in all of wow

[gleaming sentinel]

mfw both sub and outlaw are support specs

[sharp sierra]

I play sin so when I kidney smoke bomb and fumble the entire go the bleeds make me look good on damage meters 👍🏽

[spring bough]

How’s the PvP going today

[pliant lintel]

well im bored of fighting hunters

[spring bough]

I’m bored of rets

[pliant lintel]

yea those too

[turbid ore]

RAHHHHHHHHHH

WHAT A COMBINATION

[outer sky]

You need to race change to nelf

[turbid ore]

yeah i know

i jsut picked worgen when i first started cuz it looked cool 😭

[outer sky]

jesus fuck

this game

is so bad

[pliant lintel]

grab bloody token belt and bracers too 👍

[turbid ore]

yeah i was gonna craft them, but thats a good idea until i have the heraldrys

this is the game that got me 1800 😭

[pliant lintel]

ill pretend I didn't just watch you mouse click your sprint

but nice work man keep it up

[turbid ore]

i like to click sprint

idk why

everything else i press with keys

[potent pivot]

add it to a mouse bind

scroll wheel up or down, scroll wheel click if your mouse has it, side buttons, etc

[turbid ore]

up wheel is arena 1, down wheel is arena two, middle mouse click is arena 3

i can press it with keys when i need to i just dont in open idk i have brain worms

[pliant lintel]

perhaps it's in the back of your mind that you might accidently press trinket so that's why you prefer to click?

[turbid ore]

this might actually be it and i didnt even think about it

cuz i did that earlier and lost a game

[pliant lintel]

do you have anything bound to C?

that's my sprint key try it

[turbid ore]

death mark

ill keep it on shift 3 ill just make sure to actually press it from onw on

[outer sky]

C is my shadowstep

[turbid ore]

my shadowstep is m5 lol

[outer sky]

these are all my main binds

[turbid ore]

i dont think u want to see my binds XD

this woulda been rlly clean if i didnt accidentally mutilate and leave a gap after kidney 🙁

[potent pivot]

your binds look mostly fine

do you not have vial bound tho?

i'm assuming Tea/Badge/Cold Blood are just macro'd so you don't have them individually bound

[turbid ore]

ye

[turbid ore]

i was moving shit around and didnt realize until later , it sits on shift 1 now

[potent pivot]

ah

[pliant lintel]

ahh yea sorry mate I didn't see it

@turbid ore here's mine if you're looking for ideas

[turbid ore]

wut do u move with

[pliant lintel]

qwe

and mouse

[turbid ore]

ahhh

i think that would explode my brain lol

[pliant lintel]

shift 123, ctrl 123, alt 123 are target binds. focus binds with focus sap in a macro and cheap 1/2/3

[outer sky]

we queued into destro/mage and look at these famous last words from my healer lol

[pliant lintel]

and how'd it go?

[outer sky]

good the mage died in the opener without blocking

[pliant lintel]

it do be like that sometimes

[gleaming sentinel]

500 iq pres

[dark moon]

having fok and rupture on single binds without modifiers is a blessing

[outer sky]

This pres is actually really good

he doesnt have any glads but hes playing better than most healers I know who get glad every season

[pliant lintel]

you gotta get him his first glad this season then!

mounts pretty cool now too

[sharp sierra]

It’s weird seeing other people because my main stuff is on QERFT

Always hated using 123 idk why it’s annoying to press 😭

[outer sky]

1 through = are under my thumb

[sharp sierra]

Ahhhhh

Needa get one of those

I’m over these light mouses since I stopped playing Val/ow so much

[potent pivot]

Ever since I tried a light mouse, I’m hooked

But still use a Naga for wow

[outer sky]

He was doing a lot of shit that I wanted him to do without me having to say it. He made this one really sick play where I did a smoke bomb go and the pally bop'd himself out of my blind to freedom/horde in and he wing buffet knocked him back from it which let us kill. He would also sleep healers coming into my bomb. Like it was so good

I have a Logitech G600 and I could never give it up. I honeslty need a new one but its discontinued

[potent pivot]

I still have my broken g600

[pliant lintel]

i got a logitech superlight pretty good but i used to play a lot of CS

[gleaming sentinel]

i have a 20 dollar walmart mouse

[outer sky]

idk why they fucking discontinued it man

everyone I know whos used one loves it

[outer sky]

thats what I use for my work laptop but for games I need a 12 button

[gleaming sentinel]

i remember buying one of those once, and by the time i got used to it, it broke

meanwhile this cheap one has now lasted me like 5 years

[outer sky]

well I was a clicker from 2007-2018 and couldnt ever get out of that habit. This 12 button mouse finally fixed me

[pliant lintel]

i used to have a naga but that thing broke in like 6 months

[outer sky]

idk ive had this g600 for like 4 years and its still kickin'

[pliant lintel]

was like moving dumbbell across my desk

[potent pivot]

Just not enough sales prolly

[pliant lintel]

do they not do a similar or revampped model?

[outer sky]

nope

they discontinued it and replaced it with nothing

nothing but the deep despair of not having it

[pliant lintel]

you'll have to find a spare while they're still about

[outer sky]

They've been discontinued for a while. I just looked online for any and the ones I found are all like $100. Which to be honest im actually considering

[hidden moth]

Idk how everyone has issues with razor

Legit I’ve had a razor huntsman tourney edition keyboard for 3+ years no issues with it outside of me cracking the space bar (my own damn fault)

And my razor naga has been going for 2+ years now

[potent pivot]

Way too late unfortunately

The last one I bought was the last one at Best Buy a couple years ago or so

On clearance for $30

Went there to buy a Naga and saw it, bought both it and the naga

[potent pivot]

It’s mainly the mice

[pliant lintel]

damn that's unfortunate

[potent pivot]

Sometimes you just get a razer mouse that stops working in 6 months to a year

Sometimes you get one that lasts a few years

[pliant lintel]

yea think mine was just a duff one, my buddies got one of the first ones it's like 10 years old still going strong

[lime oar]

Naga ain’t done me wrong once

[potent pivot]

My first naga stopped working in less than a year

The one I have now has scroll button issues

[hidden moth]

interesting

[potent pivot]

Like the left and right clicks on the scroll wheel will double/triple click sometimes

[hidden moth]

i had some scroll issues when breaking it in but they didnt last more than a month and was able to fix em ujp meslef

[lime oar]

However I have a corsair k75 mini keyboard or whatever they’re called and while it is nice and well made I hate it

[potent pivot]

Yeah Corsair is trash

Their keyboards are ok

Headsets are dogshit

[hidden moth]

i like my corsair headset and my ram is corsair

[lime oar]

need to get something else but just don’t wanna spend the money

[hidden moth]

brother ur smoking something

[lime oar]

Most of my stuff is corsair

[potent pivot]

Pc components are different

[hidden moth]

sure but headset is the hs80

[potent pivot]

I had a Corsair headset and it stopped working within a year as well

[potent pivot]

Nah

[hidden moth]

interesting

my first headset lasted almost 3 years until my gmas dog was over and ate it

[potent pivot]

All “gaming headsets” are trash to be real

I have a razer headset and it’s been great so far for 2yrs or so

[lime oar]

I have some super budget Logitech headset it was dirt cheap

[potent pivot]

I also have a razer viper(?) v3 or something

One of their best super light mice

[hidden moth]

inm my experience anything not costing 100-150+ didnt last more than 2 months

[potent pivot]

It’s been amazing so far, but been less than a year that I’ve had it

[lime oar]

Tf are you guys doing to ur gear 💀

[hidden moth]

i used to have cheap $20 headsets that hardly worked

from vintage stock or w/e

but that was when i was in highschool and was liek

man i want to speak to the homies

[outer sky]

I was thinking the same thing. Their shit ain't breaking because its poor quality. Its because every time they get globaled they slam their fist down on it

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[pliant lintel]

damn marks hunters

oh on a side note I swapped from gladius & Sarena cast bars to the new Sarena Reloaded so far so good ✅

been trialing it past week

[dark moon]

i remember using logitech mx 300 mx 510 were the shit

until i got the damn naga and its rip from there - cant play with another mouse cause a lot of keybinds on it

[outer sky]

The Logitech is the only one of those 12 button gaming mice ive tried where I dont accidentally hit buttons i dont want to hit

[potent pivot]

Literally nothing lol

[potent pivot]

I treat my shit very well

One of the pros of being a mechanic/technician

You learn how to take care of stuff

[outer sky]

Oh nice im an armorer. Not exactly the same but related

[river pollen]

Really hope they can fix shadowstep soon, been an issue since the start of the season

Whenever i get pushed off a ledge or something in epic bgs theres a 50/50 chance im gonna teleport on the ground instead of behind the player

I just started using gliders instead, its too risky when doing things like protecting a flag

[sharp sierra]

20$ IEMs > any headset under 300$

[river pollen]

Like in ref in isle of conq

[sharp sierra]

Will never be able to play any comp game the same without iems

[potent pivot]

Real tbh

I just can’t do wired

[sharp sierra]

Nah I feel that there’s times I get up and forget lol

The biggest thing for me is allowing some outside audio to be pass through

[potent pivot]

Yeah

IEMs are dope and I care about sound quality a lot when chilling listening to music

But wireless is just too convenient

[stoic spruce]

Well I do read

[outer sky]

Ive had it happen a few times where somebody will use a mobility CD (like hunter disengage or something similar), ill step>kidney them during the travel time, and ill end up around the half way point but they'll be kidneyd over wherever they were supposed to go

And its very annoying

I feel like getting kidneyd should stop the travel

And I burn a step and my stun and cant do anything with it

[jolly sierra]

hello dagran

[pliant lintel]

it should do

gouge stops it

but yea it does bug

[outer sky]

Gouge doesnt really work in that context because gouge requires you to be in front of your target but step puts you behind them. Its annoying

[pliant lintel]

i was on about stopping travel

oh hold up after you step your stuff bugs if they use mobility?

myb

[outer sky]

If they're mid travel it does

At least sometimes

So like hunter disengages from point A to point C

I step kidney him while he's at point B

But he still gets to point C

And im stuck at point B

And he's sitting my kidney at point C laughing at me

[jolly sierra]

unless you are pandaren

[pliant lintel]

Ohh yea I always thought it was down to latency tbh, happens very rarely

[outer sky]

It happens to me often enough that I worry about it

By far the biggest latency related cuck is when a warrior bladestorms out of a cc

It uses the DR but doesn't keep him in CC

[stoic spruce]

[spring bough]

hows ur expectation of midnight outlaw pvp

[stoic spruce]

I general pretty good, a couple pain points but I bet it'll be good due to how bte works now

And if not at least it'd be fun

[lime oar]

Excited for beta to see more people making videos hopefully

Wanna see some duels and how broken some of these specs are gonna be

[gleaming sentinel]

the dmg ramp?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[turbid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-i-got-a-rock-gif-10605542

[lime oar]

How is this ret in a bg right now able to just toss hammers at me when I’m stealthed

It’s not aoe bro legit targeted me and I was hella far away

[vocal surge]

Was he in Divine Shield?

[lime oar]

he has me targeted and im stealthed

[potent pivot]

they have a true sight talent now

[lime oar]

thats fucked

[stoic spruce]

That's crazy

Actually

I'm not surprised in the slightest

OBVIOUSLY Ret would have something like that

They could have a working battle rez and it wouldn't phase me in the slightest.

[lime oar]

reveals stealth with divine shield and it lingers for 20 seconds after...

bro

[stoic spruce]

Or reincarnation rather

Since they have that brez in the pvp talents

[lime oar]

thats honestly fking hilarious

me chilling wondering why this ret bubbled and is running straight at me in stealth

[grave basin]

Was doing a skirm on rogue after a long layoff and had a Ret + enhance on the other team

Was thinking ok I have to go through 20 defensives but gonna take my time

Jk he insta bubbles + steeds right at me and bops his enhance

ok let me bend over real quick

[abstract stratus]

[vocal surge]

Run him in circles

Then bend him over

[queen wigeon]

what is randomly pulling me out of stealth in bgs?

[dark moon]

A lot of things mainly ret paladins with wake of ashes

And judges

[orchid plinth]

if playing Deathstalker: Singular Focus dealing damage breaks stealth

so if you have Mark on one target and Rupture another target, Rupture dealing damage will break stealth :) you can try it in Dornogal on the dummies

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/man-im-dead-gif-17956446054868952924

Best attempt

and Kyveza resets because Vanish

Finally

[hidden moth]

??

Fuckin ez

[vocal surge]

It was Anti-aliasing

that gave me issues

[gleaming sentinel]

shit was not easy for me rofl took me a lot of tries

[pliant lintel]

[gleaming sentinel]

rofl

[dark kernel]

Damn she was harder than elite shuffle?

[gleaming sentinel]

nerf cheap shot

[vocal surge]

Nah, but she did make me harder than Elite SS

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-salami-gif-20225806

[vocal surge]

I can hear the sub rogues with the Kyveza body pillows already lol

Once the Mythic Interloper Boots on my rogue

Time to swap my Mastery Weapon to Crit

[lone jasper]

When i was killing her i removed vanish from action bar, it helps

[vocal surge]

Aren't you assa thou?

[lone jasper]

Yes, im assa

[vocal surge]

At least you dont have to rely so much on stealth like Outlaw

[dark kernel]

I haven't even given that ho a try but I hated the first patch boss and never did him

[lone jasper]

Congratz, it was very fun

[lone jasper]

I was pushing vanish mechanically

[vocal surge]

Ah

[gleaming sentinel]

i learned you just cant vanish after the portal part

can do it right at the clones and during the lines just fine

[lone jasper]

Previous boss was harder for me rather than kyvez

[spring bough]

10mil?!?!?

Not once but twice 😂

[pliant lintel]

yea man think he needs to go buy a lottery ticket tonight he's obviously got the luck on his side today haha

[spring bough]

I woulda logged off mid round

If that happened to me

[jaunty mirage]

Assa flying under the radar atm cause I think it’s actually the third best dps spec in shuffle currently

Above like 1800

[pliant lintel]

I wouldn't say it's flying under the radar but yea it's one of the best spec's in shuffle atm

rogues just not a very popular class otherwise you'd see it more

[gleaming sentinel]

I think assa is really good yea

[outer sky]

There's just so much shit thats more offensive than assa rn

[gleaming sentinel]

mm and vw, ret utility

[outer sky]

Destro

[grave basin]

well well well

we meet again flark

he went 1 5 =/

[pliant lintel]

i'd go as far and say destro is the best spec in shuffle rn

[outer sky]

Id probably say MM but with destro as a very close second

[lime oar]

sigh 😮‍💨

Why do I have to love rogue

[pliant lintel]

yea MM is insane, maybe we just got a lot of precog donators on EU

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/in-pain-ouch-dumb-kids-pain-gif-14445724

how it feels to play this class

[dark kernel]

I'm going back to league of legends for the winter map at the end of this monthm

It's the only thing I wanted back

[waxen meteor]

I will try destro next then, played affl and demo lock before, never played destro

[jaunty mirage]

I agree, I just think assa is probably around third

I don’t think assa is busted, it’s just very well rounded atm

[gleaming sentinel]

Getting an assa set on my main boys….

[lofty vine]

Playing outlaw in shuffle and having 2000 apm while still bottoms of meters and barely breaking 2150 and transitioning into assas and winning shuffles feels like cheating. 100 games.and hitting 2350 not doing anything fancy. Makes me sad that outlaw and sub feel like poop

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea my ego wants me to slam games as outlaw but it’s just easier as assa, and winning is fun

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-laughing-gif-lol-funny-loud-laugh-gif-7926424135311815001

[midnight grove]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-laugh-gif-23293520

[outer sky]

my god they really need to take smoke bomb off the gcd

[dark moon]

preach

[dark kernel]

That would be so helpful, but so insanely busted

[outer sky]

It wouldn't be busted at all

[dark kernel]

I would run Thug cleave, with a void Weaver, and we would automatically instant win against any ret Paladin team

Just open bomb Mass dispell

[outer sky]

Every healer has a way of healing through it besides hpal

[dark kernel]

It already works like a third of the time at 2200 MMR

[outer sky]

And most classes can still cc you in it

It would have been busted maybe 7 or 8 years ago

But not now

[spring bough]

was that a 2.8mil BTE or coin lol

[outer sky]

I think the hunters collectively agreed to gaslight the entire wow community about their damage.

Like

Every time someone gets one shot by one they swear that never happens

Stars aligned

Crazy damage

Won the lottery

But then every 3rd game against one this is someone's death log

[rose wigeon]

anyone have insight on whether or not radiant power vs the Oathsworn+Stonebound combo is better or for what situation? Looks like most are using 2x radiant power wep enchant, but alot of the highest rated assa rogues are using the other combo. Wondering WHY they choose either, or if its preference based etc

[outer sky]

For rogues Radiant Power is objectively better. At max item level you will have about 117k agility so the proc from radiant power is a meaningful % increase. Some specs have a lot more main stat at 730 item level than we do, like a pres evoker has around 150k intellect (dont ask me why) and for them the Radiant Power proc is not a meaningful enough % increase and the other enchants actually edge it out. Any rogues at the highest ratings not using Radiant Power are almost certainly just testing out how it feels because for them (and most of us) that enchant won't make or break games anyway

[rose wigeon]

i love your responses, im so big on understanding WHY people do things

[outer sky]

Happy to help!

[rose wigeon]

saw Dzd and Ggb are the main ones using the other enchants, the vers+Mast enchants that is, but the #1 rogue on ladder is just stacking radiant, so fuckit, just like knowing why and seeing if any competitive advantages are available ever

[spring bough]

outlaw sin sub and DH lobby LOL

holy pally and disc priest too....

[outer sky]

I predict a 0-6 for the DH

[spring bough]

nah me and DH won round 1

im an outlaw tauren lol

[hidden moth]

i need a name of a bad ass rogue ability

go

[potent pivot]

vendetta ofc

[hidden moth]

Nah id vendetta

[abstract stratus]

i rand the other enchants for some time it was completely negligible

[potent pivot]

basically every 'choice' you can make when it comes to these things is extremely negligible

enchants, gems, embellishments, one piece of gear compared to another

as long as you're not like fully statted incorrectly its all kinda w/e

[jaunty mirage]

Is this in arena?

Bonkers

Uninterruptible cast lmao

Chaos bolt can’t come close to 10m and you have to dodge every interrupt in the game to get the cast off

[pliant lintel]

watched a Hpal get b2b 10m chaos bolted today

pushed in for a hoj bro said not today

[outer sky]

Yeah

[jaunty mirage]

Difference is that 10m is ACTUALLY the stars aligning lol

For destro

[wet crown]

dayum

what was that opener macro you hit him with?

the first global

[wet crown]

so, exactly what paladins do

actually wait, hunters have been doing that

[grave basin]

Mm one shotting all expansion: I sleep

Outlaw having damage for two weeks at the start of a new season: real shit

[dark kernel]

I bet if they completely undid the Nerf they did, we still wouldn't be overpowered right now

[abstract stratus]

warlock didnt even know what hit him

[jaunty mirage]

stars aligned, completely lucky damage, nothing to see here

[abstract stratus]

[turbid ore]

assass rogue is op

[wet crown]

paladins dominating the ladder and breaking the meta: 15% nerf to an ability that doesn't do much, before glad weapons are out c:

[wet crown]

i'm pretty sure even in the blizzcon/awc whatever the fuck it was game they nerfed us around it wasn't close to top dam lol

[true warren]

what's currently the tankiest rogue spec?

some people say sub rogue but i really don't see why it's tankier than assa or outlaw who generally play with 2 vanish charges instead of 1 like sub

[grave basin]

Sub isn't tanky because of vanish

Outlaw is generally the tankiest though

Outlaw is the tankiest since it has the most control ontop of natty 40+% verse

Then sub then assa with the least control

[true warren]

ok i see

the only reason i can think why people say sub is because of passives from the sub/deathstalker tree like ephemeral bond, fade to nothing and bait and switch

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[jaunty osprey]

I'm using Oathsworn and Stonebound now btw

The uptime on it is crazy

compared to Radiant Power

Radiant Power, I'm getting like 5 procs in a 8 minute 3s game

[dark moon]

As assa?

[pliant lintel]

It’s the general play style of sub that makes it tanky

[vocal surge]

My 1 shot casually getting us all nerfed lol

[grave basin]

Who's casually getting mm nerfed

[jaunty osprey]

Ya

[dark moon]

Guessing the difference is not that big, but I'll try it out. Ty

[fathom crag]

they should change the free cheapshot thing when u press shadowdance

at least make it on restealth

imo

[pliant lintel]

yea agreed

[fathom crag]

all my chars are night elves

if it stays like that will have to go orc 😄

unless assa ofc

[pliant lintel]

ya ill be swapping to orc too in midnight

[fathom crag]

whats the point even to play assa/outlaw in midnight? u got 0 ccs

[pliant lintel]

need to re read patch notes again does it ignore it's CD or just reset cd when you dance/vanish

[fathom crag]

when i tested it

going shadow dance window gave me free stack

doesnt reset CD

[pliant lintel]

yea im not sure tbh, budget fury warrior tbh

might as well just play feral

blind has short CD though? so you'd have to blind gouge healer into kidney kill target but that sounds kinda aids

[obsidian pulsar]

Just Play a Dh or feral and Ure off way better

[spring bough]

Fun? Lol

[pliant lintel]

yea idk i think they should revert CC back to full duration if a lot of it is being purged

[gleaming sentinel]

8 second dance gonna go crazy

[fathom crag]

with 20% haste my dance was 14sec

[gleaming sentinel]

With 8 second duration? Crazy

But dance doesn’t increase dmg right

[pliant lintel]

ye does

they have changed dark shadow which i didn't realise also

[wanton breach]

why are there people playing oracle for the last few days

void weaver isn't nerfed just yet

and even afterwards probably still better

[gleaming sentinel]

Sometimes just healing is easier for some people

[sharp sierra]

It’s fun and has way more healing for burst

Oracle shields are no joke

[pliant lintel]

better off playing holy than oracle disc

[fathom crag]

i ate him alive haha

[gleaming sentinel]

[spring bough]

Servers up yet?

[wanton breach]

for sure, better healing output and utility cds

[spring bough]

What does everyone do during extended maintenance

[dark moon]

Gym

Also waiting for NA ptr servers to come live

Kek

[spring bough]

i think its time to level a character on classic till servers up

[dark moon]

Which classic?

[spring bough]

apparently none cause those are down too RIP

[sharp sierra]

Arc raiders

[dark kernel]

I keep getting roadblocked in diablo4

I get a character to like 40 every season and quit

Forget PoE2 so sloggy

[lime oar]

i cry

[spring bough]

what are the chances servers come up early

this game confuses me. the one banner says "7am to 3pm" then another says "live maintenance from 10am to 11am" like which one is it lol

[dark moon]

The correct answer is "Yes"

[spring bough]

if any1 wondering servers still down

[dark kernel]

I trust you

[wanton breach]

usually sleep or groceries

[spring bough]

Already did both and I’m loaded up on coffee and finished my to do items for work for the rest of the week……

[wanton breach]

dont you have a game or something to play while in shuffle/blitz queue?

[hidden moth]

Que account 1+2 and watch YouTube/tiktok

[jaunty osprey]

Open Pokemon cards

[dark kernel]

Can you get me a job where you work.

[spring bough]

Bro…. Ima neeed two jobs rn

Fucking car blew up the other day. Shop called “yeah the fix is gonna be more than the trade in. Start car shopping”

[hidden moth]

Lmfaooo

Rip the homie

[dark kernel]

Yeah that's Ass. I'm in a Toyota Corolla I am allergic to pricy cars

[true warren]

is this macro for saping stealthed enemies fine?

#showtooltip
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast [nocombat] Sap

[fathom crag]

looks fine to me

i personally use this

#showtooltip sap
/stopattack/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/use sap

[vocal surge]

Facebook Marketplace

[spring bough]

Found a 2024 jeep with 6k miles on it that’s in my range 🙌

[vocal surge]

Huge

[spring bough]

Now I just need to find a junk yard that will tow and pay me for my piece of shit junk I have sitting in my driveway

[dark kernel]

Yeah you're going to have the exact same issue with a jeep. Those are AWFUL cars for reliability

[spring bough]

I already have one same model and all. It lasted me 10 years 155k miles before this happened lol

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[spring bough]

I’ll deal with it 10 years from now 😂

[dark kernel]

You know what if you got the money and it makes you happy why not.

My boss is fucking insane and he was purchasing and trading a new Toyota Tundra fully loaded, every, single, year.

[spring bough]

Ima be eating PB sandwiches for the rest of the year but I’ll do it with a smile knowing I can get from point A to point B for work without issues

[vocal surge]

Tru

[pliant lintel]

servers still down on NA?

[spring bough]

yes

not even a server list yet.... we got some time lol

[hidden moth]

i see a server list

but they said another hour

[severe helm]

Nooo what happened?

[dark moon]

fucking hell

[spring bough]

head gasket is shot

[severe helm]

At 150k???? Wtf

That's bullshit

[spring bough]

it overheated twice earlier this year cause some coolant lines got cracks in it during the winter and he said that just added to it

[severe helm]

Yeah heat kills gaskets

Sucks man I'd be pissed

Wild you're staying with jeep after that haha that's dedication

[spring bough]

actually was 3 times it was in for overheating they fixed it all and now its popping so bad when they run it.... waiting on the junk yard to call so i can find out what i can get for it

i couldnt even get it up my driveway it was overheating so bad.... loudest pops i ever head from under the gas pedal

[severe helm]

Bro it was popping????

Wdym???

[wet crown]

That is a rough fucking lock lobby lmao

[spring bough]

he said the popping was the cylinders or something with the head gasket being shot i dont even know

[severe helm]

Like the coolant cap was releasing pressure or it was coming out of the head

Oh god

Yeah that is FUCKED

[spring bough]

like popping out of the head gasket popping i guess

[wet crown]

This is why despite not being a car guy I'm trying to learn how to tinker with them

Avoiding shit like that

[spring bough]

like a month ago i thought i got a whiff of like gas / exhaust in my car.... and now i know why

[wet crown]

Tragic autocorrect

[spring bough]

guess i been driving around fuming myself out everyday for the last month or so lol

[severe helm]

Jesus Christ rofl

[severe helm]

Honestly just learning to do your own oil changes and basic fluids/filters goes a long way

[spring bough]

i had a blast today. shop is a literal 6 minute drive from my house. had to drop their loaner car back off and the mechanic was like you should be good getting home

i had to stop 4 times coming up my road, it is mostly up hill lol

[severe helm]

Don't go back man jeep ain't worth it

[spring bough]

too late got a great deal on one since i know the guys that own the jeep dealership near me lol

[severe helm]

Well shiet haha

[spring bough]

never had problems with mine until the last year or so

getting the same one too... grand cherokee altitude... just one thats 10 years newer lol

[severe helm]

I had a grand Cherokee too

Early 2000s

Loved the car but it was a giant piece of shit

[spring bough]

going from a 2015 to a 2024... i love the drive of them.. plus my parents both have one too sooo i gotta keep it with jeeps lol

[dark moon]

shouldve seen the previous ones - surv dh affli/ sp destro devastation/ arms enh mm

[severe helm]

Power steering pump went bad, idle control valve went bad, differential locker broke, all before like 140k miles

[spring bough]

sounds like you landed with a lemon on that one lol

[severe helm]

Just jeep things

[pliant lintel]

gz man!

[dark moon]

thanks! firs time and i played out of my mind this evening

[spring bough]

grats!

[pliant lintel]

you'll get it every season now 👌

[spring bough]

we still sitting waiting for maintenace.....

atleast the server list is up we are close

[dark moon]

https://tenor.com/view/thekinardist-reaction-love-props-point-gif-10394827

[dark moon]

i usually joke that NA is like PTR and you guys almost always have it rough on patch days etc

but its one of those extended extended maintenances

is it a new patch or only hotfixes? havent been in the loop since i left my guild couple of months ago

[spring bough]

remix next phase release so you know they need to spend all day on it for whatever reason

not like they havent already released it in the past.....

[dark moon]

its not even a new patch on retail ehmagerd

seeing how long it takes for you guys, ill just go to the office tomorrow and maybe play in the evening lol

[wet crown]

Can't imagine playing current aff. Just destro. You can outplay a lot of clowns with destro lol

Fear into the double bolt is always funny

[dark moon]

i think i went 4-2 or 3-3 cause its rough

apparently everyone and their mothers learned to spam cc rogues after we open

[spring bough]

SERVERS UP

[wet crown]

That's what you get for not being a braindead spec.

[dark moon]

hype

[wet crown]

Idk why paladins have diplomatic immunity lol

[dark moon]

idk why paladins

fixed that for you

[wet crown]

Even when they aren't meta broken like right now

They are fucking annoying

[dark moon]

the thingy that makes you miss spells is one of the most annoying spells in the entire game

[wet crown]

Can I have evasion and cloak of shadows on a 30s cd each

[dark moon]

no cause cdew and everyone else on twitter will piss their pants

[wet crown]

I legit struggle to beat even mediocre paladins on my rogue

Mostly the lack of sustain

Doesn't matter how much you outplay

Like if I play my ass off I'll get bubble + loh and die lol

In arena I basically have to surprise them with shiv>mark>kb

[dark moon]

erm I followed what the ninjas in here suggested and thats friendly step to healer and wait things out behind pillar

[wet crown]

Yeah I meant solo/bgs

[dark moon]

it works like you taunt in pve LOL

[wet crown]

Arenas last line lol

[dark moon]

oh

if you're referring to blitz, then i have no idea, never played it

rogue seems unique and fun with all the different tactics on high mmr/cr in blitz, but i dont understand it so i just play shuffle here and there

[lime oar]

get a dirtbike that’s what outlaw rogue would do

[spring bough]

i sold my motorcycle when i bought my house eight years ago for some emergency cash lol

nice ole triumph daytona 675... thing was a BLAST

[lime oar]

yeah ngl thought of selling mine plenty of times too

[pliant lintel]

I had one of they for my first bike they’re awesome bikes and sound amazing

[spring bough]

It was great. When I was 17 I wanted one. My dad had a bike but he was like Ninja 250 CC for a year or nothing

Going from a 250cc to that was a crazy jump lol

[pliant lintel]

🤣🤣 yea man jumping on a 600 for the first time is insane! Wait till you try a 1000 that’ll blow your mind

[spring bough]

Yeah been on one. Crazy jumps. Was used to the 250 after a year. Day I traded it in the guy was like “is that thing broken? It don’t go anywhere when I hit the throttle” like nah that’s just a 250 💀

[pliant lintel]

I brought my first 1000 last year i honestly can't believe they're road legal

[spring bough]

I’ve always wanted an MV Augusta 1000cc

[lime oar]

started in a 250 as well. then a 700sm

went down to a drz400sm cuz it’s waay more fun around the city. zero highway riding for this guy. not with how bad the drivers are in canada

i didn’t ride with a plate once this summer 💀

[pliant lintel]

my trusty gixxer

[spring bough]

I had a Jardine pipe on mine

Installed myself was so much fun doing that and then revving it after was like woah 🤯

[pliant lintel]

yea bro a triple has to be the best sounding engine when it's on full chat sooo good

toying with the idea of part x mine for an R1 though they sound insane

[potent pivot]

🔥

Ayo we turned into the bike channel?

[pliant lintel]

you ride to bro?

[grave basin]

Bois

How are the VW nerfs

[spring bough]

Haven’t qued yet been getting my remix stuff crossed off lol

[grave basin]

Prayge to not get gangbanged by VW mage destro in my next lobby

[gleaming sentinel]

Need that sword

[spring bough]

Need it to be 11pm for the damn invasions to be up to finish the 3rd achieve I need for that mog lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ll chip away at it today

[hidden moth]

my girlie wont let me get a bike

says ill fucking die doing dumbshit

[pliant lintel]

my missus said exactly the same thing, then one day she decided she was going to get on the back and that was that now every time i go out she wants to come 🤦‍♂️

[potent pivot]

I have ye, been wanting to get one soon too

[outer sky]

I bought my wife a little Kawasaki Z125 for Christmas 2023

[lime oar]

we taking over

[outer sky]

Anyone here like guns?

Thats what I can flex with

[lime oar]

i built a noveske 16” years ago. sold it to my buddy when i moved

[pliant lintel]

I live in the UK man we’re not allowed guns, we do kitchen knifes here

[outer sky]

I sold my 16"s a while ago but im probably going to built one in 308 pretty soon. For a 5.56 I think 16" is too long becasue I put a silencer on everything

Check this out. Benelli M4

I fucking love this thing

Pistol. Ignore the beer in the background

[lime oar]

pvp channel is fire tonight

[outer sky]

This is my long range rig

Thats easily good for a mile

This one makes me harder than my wife ever has

This one is super compact and super quiet

[pliant lintel]

It’s such a hassle to own guns here

[lime oar]

bros got the whole armory

[outer sky]

I have over 50

I own a gun store so I keep a lot of "inventory"

[spring bough]

Bro ready for the apocalypse 😂

[potent pivot]

I had one similar to this back in the day, just without a suppressor lmao

[outer sky]

I always laugh when I listen to some dumbass liberal news anchor refer to like 3 guns and 1000 rounds of ammo as an "arsenal"

Like lady you have no idea

Thats my concealed carry lol

[spring bough]

My uncle works at a range and last time I talked to him he had like 40k rounds or something 😭

The guy builds his own guns lol

[outer sky]

Yeah same. Im sitting on like 75k rounds or something. Give or take a few thousand

[outer sky]

Vortex optic?

[lime oar]

this thing costs more than my salary

mk22

nightforce ATACR

[outer sky]

Oh shit dude thats sick af

[lime oar]

marine corps new rifle

[outer sky]

Love Nightforce optics

I have 2 of those, like 8 vortexes, and 3 or 4 leupolds

Yeah know when I was moving a couple years ago, some friends of mine were helping us out and one of them was clearing out the closet and found my old full auto Mac-11 in it. And I was like wtf I totally forgot I had that

And he goes "only you could just forget you have a machine gun lying around the house somewhere"

[lime oar]

perfect lil truck gun

lil problem solver

[outer sky]

Theyre not the most reliable but theyre fun when they work

I need to get an MP5

[rugged fractal]

What 3s comps are you guys likin best for assa rogue? I am liking playing with fire mages so far

[outer sky]

Destro, boomie, fire mage are all really good

Even affi lock but thats probably a tier lower than those other 3

But still good

[rugged fractal]

ya ive played a lot with destro too and liking it

would you say destro requires less comms than fire mage? I typically play no voice

[outer sky]

Yeah you can just be getting railed the whole game and then you randomly win in 2 seconds because the destro lock got to cast

[rugged fractal]

ya exactly

[outer sky]

Yeah probably since destro can kill somebody pretty much any time it can cast but fire mage needs combust

But when it has combust it can kill through like 6 health bars in 4 seconds

[rugged fractal]

i was getting hard carried by some fire mages the other day

[outer sky]

The ONLY reason we arent seeing fire mages in every other game right now is because hunter is super good atm and they hard counter fire mages

A hunter a day keeps the mages away

[rugged fractal]

is thug cleave any good? havent really tried it but no one really talks about it

[outer sky]

Its probably fine just because MM hunter is busted and pretty much anything paired with something that can kill someone 100-0 in 0.2s is going to be fine but its not as good as the casters

Im sure its viable for getting gladiator though

[rugged fractal]

makes sense

[stoic spruce]

Me me me me me me me

[outer sky]

I posted pics of a few of mine

[stoic spruce]

I like them

[stoic spruce]

What lower is that

[outer sky]

I machined that lower myself then added the parts to it

[stoic spruce]

Nice

[wet crown]

good question lol

[outer sky]

Well assa still has spammable garrote silence

[stoic spruce]

I wouldn't doubt outlaw goes double vanish still at the cost of getting more haste.

Or at least subt

[outer sky]

What would double vanish/subt do?

[stoic spruce]

More cheapshots for goes

[outer sky]

Idk how much it'll matter

Cheap has a 12s CD

Subterfuge will do nothing

[stoic spruce]

And 2 charges yeah

[outer sky]

Thats sub

Only

[spring bough]

No more CDR vanish makes me sad

[potent pivot]

resetting CD doesn't equal 2 charges

[outer sky]

Yeah its not even really 2 charges

[gleaming sentinel]

Logged in to remix so I can unlock sick sword xmog and you’re cock blocked by assault timers. So sad

[gleaming sentinel]

I try not to think about outlaw in midnight :<

[stoic spruce]

That's not what I said

[stoic spruce]

Where does it say that's sub only

[potent pivot]

?

[outer sky]

Its a talent only on the sub rogue tree

[stoic spruce]

If you're not gonna answer the question don't reply please

[potent pivot]

brother what

[stoic spruce]

Dumb

[fathom crag]

this talent is def better than 2 charges

[potent pivot]

[fathom crag]

but it needs to be for every spec

its only sub atm

thats a big problem

[spring bough]

Yeah the next ones not up until 4am est 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

Where are you seeing timers?

[fathom crag]

like i said earlier whats the point of playing assa & outlaw if u cant cheap shot

[outer sky]

Is it? Because with this talent you cant stun someone from stealth, then dance, and stun someone else. If it were 2 charges you could do that

[potent pivot]

how would it be better than 2 charges for the other specs lol

[stoic spruce]

Trickz I'm ngl, this pisses me off just as much as the "this⬆️" people

[fathom crag]

i mean on sub its better

cus u dance

a lot

[spring bough]

https://wow.gameinfo.io/legion/invasion-timer

[potent pivot]

ye

[fathom crag]

yes you can

i tried it

you can cheap shot someone u will have the 12 sec cd, then u dance u get a free charge

[gleaming sentinel]

Blizz: sub is for PvP

[outer sky]

Wait what

[potent pivot]

i was just confused to how you didn't know this by now, drop the sass

[outer sky]

Thats not how that reads at all

[potent pivot]

it is