pvp

[outer sky]

When FDK/Devoker is good

Oh man

Youre just dead af

[jaunty mirage]

But my teammates don’t

I can press cloak in a panic but he’s going to absolutely shit on the two other people on my team

[outer sky]

Your healer trinkets the frost stun and then gets stranged and dies

[jaunty mirage]

Yep lol

Alternatively playing against petkick is kind of a nightmare

[outer sky]

When we fight that shit our healer tries to pre-dome the go

[jaunty mirage]

He does like 20% more damage than every other uhdk

[outer sky]

Man I play with this devoker sometimes, Disintegon

This guy does unreal damage

[jaunty mirage]

If there’s a caster on your team or he decides to go your healer you’ve got like less than a minute to figure out how to close the game out

[outer sky]

I was playing assa/dev/disc with disintegon and he was running this one shot build

My god

Disc would dark ark, id tricks him

On deep breath>dragon rage

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah dev damage is pretty wild too

[outer sky]

Bruh

He got a 3.6m disintegrate tick

I didn't even know that was possible

Thats 1 tick

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

My friend made a dev to mess around with and he said it’s such a vibe

Plays some gimmick 1shot spec and he’s like 2.4/2.5

It’s like 4 buttons total

[outer sky]

Yeah

Disintegrate, Azure strike, living flame

Deep breath

[jaunty mirage]

Fly around cause melee can’t touch you if you know what you’re doing

[pliant lintel]

I nearly boosted a dev the other day just to piss people off

[jaunty mirage]

lol

[outer sky]

I play disintegon's build on my dev and he doesnt even play Shattering Star so thats 1 less button to deal with

[grave basin]

wanna crate farm

just go horde they said

[jaunty mirage]

I never have issues finding groups on ally tbh

[gleaming sentinel]

none on ally too

[grave basin]

yea thats because im not ally

[grave basin]

yea true

checked on my ally toon

how tf do i gear up now

get off remix reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[gleaming sentinel]

6 straight dubs on outlaw blitz, we’re coming back

[dark kernel]

All my homies play rogue.

[spring bough]

its not even noon on a friday most people at work or sleeping lol

[grave basin]

[grave basin]

on ally

[gleaming sentinel]

ust joined it

to get an assa set lol

[true warren]

kidney > smoke or smoke > kidney?

or maybe shiv > smoke > kidney?

[gleaming sentinel]

dude wanted me to pay him, i bounced lol

[grave basin]

da fuq

i went over back to horde and theres a crate farm group thank god

[spring bough]

love when a healer blames devo

and then gets swapped hard and deleted last round and i miss a 5-1....

god damn resto druids so bad sometimes

[pliant lintel]

gouge > smoke > kidney

yw

[true warren]

damn. feeling dumb now. thanks

[pliant lintel]

if you don't have gouge it's kidney > bomb

[spring bough]

if i have one more hunter

tell me how to play im gonna flip out on them

"dont sap anyone open with a cheap"

next round "make sure u sap DH"

[tight hill]

proceeds to binding shot everyone

[vocal surge]

Aoe DRs everyone with Binding

Traps your kill target

With the special ice pvp talent

[pliant lintel]

diamond ice is troll af haha

[vocal surge]

I got Diamond Ice saved by an enemy hunter before lol

[pliant lintel]

the best one is when they say you sap X so you sap then they volley straight on top of it haha

[vocal surge]

Atleast its not as bad as Reshii Wraps proccing on Gouge or Blind

[pliant lintel]

ye that triggers me

[spring bough]

lost one round with that BM won the last for a BS 3-3 lobby

it was DH MM and BM

first 2 rounds the healer died i just silenced and smoked them lol

but that was with the DH and the hunters were....

[outer sky]

lol 3 minute shuffle

[spring bough]

i wish i had one of those today......

[outer sky]

it was like a 1700 lobby

im not a good dragon

[tight hill]

'no cooldown used'

[outer sky]

12 second game that last round lmfao

[grave basin]

i just realised next expansion

i can dual weild 2x cutlasses

use parrot pet

go stealth

have bombs + shotgun

and generic pirate mog

can be a weird outlaw rogue lol

[spring bough]

.>

[grave basin]

harpoon is aesthetically a pirate ability too

[molten hedge]

Yeah it’s embarrassing

Saw Val die thru evasion/bark/every hot to a feral sp and he feinted the stun

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-annoyed-angry-frustrated-silence-gif-3234177536345299895

[spring bough]

i second this statement

[vocal surge]

Real

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[spring bough]

druid tells me how to play

then clones my target that i just kingsbaned

unreal

how does one report a battlenet tag after the whisper i got from this druid lmao

[jaunty mirage]

You can just say outlaw rogue

[wet crown]

Man I love warlock

If someone misplays I can just kill them without a 2m cd

Imagine that

[spring bough]

i hate a good ret that goes 6-0

i hate it

casters like this spriest and boomy just melt

[outer sky]

Idk this game feels great rn to me

I just queued 15 games with total randos from lfg and we won 12 of them

It really does feel like we have to make huge mistakes to lose

Granted im only queueing around 2.4

So not like top of the ladder

But we're still fighting a lot of high xp players

I queued into RMP and my healer and I both trinketed in the opener and we still won

[pliant lintel]

[gleaming sentinel]

assa feels good ngl

[outer sky]

Yeah it feels really good rn

They finally balanced it properly

Now of course the fact that Im saying that probably means its overtuned

But we're just gunna ignore that

[pliant lintel]

i think assa is fine

it's a bit cheesy but most classes are rn

[outer sky]

Objectively its probably a touch overtuned but its so far from being the most offensive thing in this game right now nobody even has the bandwidth to care

[gleaming sentinel]

i really think its just the other classes that are good we do ok vs

lke im not afraid of mm or bm at all

vw is nice

[outer sky]

Im slightly afraid of mm

Im not afraid of bm at all

But with cold blood though, hunters became more annoying for us

Their pet sac cucks our go

Since its all about critting

[pliant lintel]

im not really afraid of anything just can't kill anything

[outer sky]

Im afraid of mm hunters, survival hunters, all mage specs, ret pallys, devokers, and other rogues

[verbal field]

anyone got that blitz macro for dropping flag for me?

[pliant lintel]

when i play assa im afraid of mm hunters

/cancelaura Warsong Flag
/cancelaura Silverwing Flag
/cancelaura Twin Peaks Flag
/cancelaura Gilnean Flag

?

[spring bough]

/cancelaura Alliance flag
/cancelaura Horde flag
/cancelaura Netherstorm flag

@verbal field

[wet crown]

Bro like

They can single handedly stop a go with one button, have three immunities, and burst every 30s

Why is rogue so limited lmao

I should just play a dk or some shit, at least I'd be great at pally killing

[spring bough]

this guy was just training the healer every round and i couldnt or my other dps couldnt stop him

it was 2 holy paladins too

getting bitched by a ret lol

[outer sky]

Try and garrote silence them when they have Wake of Ashes off CD. Most people don't know this but if the ret presses Wake of Ashes while garrote silenced he won't get the wings proc from it for some reason. I highly doubt thats intended but it is what it is for now.

[spring bough]

they were just running circles around a pillar and dying lol

[spring bough]

hard to catch them when healer runs 100 yards away and the ret just follows lol

plus a good ole pillar LOS

[outer sky]

And you know he's not going to be slowed

I dont think I've ever seen a ret not have a freedom or horse charge when they needed one

[verbal field]

Yeah thanks man

[wet crown]

That's really fucking funny and good to know.

But my issue is more like kill pressure stuff

Like they could easily fix this shit with tuning and never do

I might as well be afk between kingsbanes on fatebound. Meanwhile Conan over here can just blow my ass up every 30s with a zero resource cost hoj

Catch the pally alone? Rogue doesn't win thst fight pretty much ever, and even if they're bad enough to lose, they have three uncounterable get out of jail free cards.

/rant lol

[hidden moth]

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[hidden moth]

Tbh it’s just sv, mage, dev, ret and monk

[outer sky]

Monks are a meme

[hidden moth]

Still fucking hurt

And half their go ignores evasion the other half ignores cloak

[pliant lintel]

step healer

[outer sky]

The only thing they do that ignores evasion is conduit

But its aoe damage

Feint it you get a 40% dr

Literally monks arent even being played right now

Theyre so bad

[hidden moth]

I thought ewf ignored casino

Vasion

[wet crown]

Damn that looks annoying.

I want it

[outer sky]

Efw?

Oh

The clones

No the clones dont

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk I feel like kingsbane just deletes mages

[hidden moth]

Yes it’s just

If u don’t one bang em

It’s rough

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s 🔥

[pliant lintel]

fire is scary

frost is a meme

[outer sky]

Id rather fight a fire mage than a frost mage any day

Only 1 block

Not as many slows

[pliant lintel]

ye frost is just omega annoying

[neon jasper]

do u ever use ambush as assa?

[lime oar]

During subterfuge? I think idk

[jaunty mirage]

Not if you’re playing fatebound

[lime oar]

What’s assa burst rn? I just got back on after a long break. Imp garrote, rupture, DM, shiv, CB+KB, envenoms?

[neon jasper]

thanks

was like confused

[jaunty mirage]

Should be cold blood in there too

[neon jasper]

cuz would be logical to use ambush during subterfuge was not sure cuz u dont pick any ambush talents anyways

[jaunty mirage]

If you play death stalker the you might it honestly just macro mut and ambush together anyway

[neon jasper]

everybody is fatebound so why waste time lmao

[jaunty mirage]

It’s cause frost is designed exclusively to make you never want to play a melee character

[hidden moth]

mut turns into ambush lol

dont need a macro

[jaunty mirage]

Does it?

[hidden moth]

not fully

[jaunty mirage]

Had no idea lmao

[hidden moth]

bc supt is 6 seconds of cheapshot available

[jaunty mirage]

I’ve always just had them macro’d together

[hidden moth]

so ur building cps wit hcheap bc ur looking to (in shuff and 3v3) keep 2 people locked down in that window

cheap tab cheap, insert filler filler cheap 1st cheap 2nd again subt over

[neon jasper]

what if DR

lowkey id just remove it from bar and use mutilate

if there is no use

[jaunty mirage]

You don’t really wanna spam mutilate either hahaha

[grim sequoia]

For quickest burst on someone, fatebound ass rogue:

SS->garrote->cheap->rupture->cheap->vanish->cheap->Death mark->shiv/trinket/tea->cold blood/kingsbane->enveom->mutilate->envenom?

is that correct?

[neon jasper]

ik xDDD

but like when ur done with dotting u need some fat envenoms right?

how do u generate CP > mutlate so idk if everyone is on DR and I got subr so

[hidden moth]

congrats u didnt open with cheap so u got instantly cc'd and ur burst is ruined try again

[grim sequoia]

but they get silenced no

[outer sky]

Here save this one

[hidden moth]

u dont vanish if they have stun dr up

[neon jasper]

ofc but what if u must

[hidden moth]

tbh if im in imp gar/ rupt im using imp gar for 3cp hella fast

[neon jasper]

idk got 0 xp with class thats why I came here u guys should be pros

[hidden moth]

but also it silences so

ah i see

[hidden moth]

silence gonna stop leg sweep?

blind

gouge

[outer sky]

Actually it does stop hoj

[hidden moth]

intim shout shock wave storm bolt?

[hidden moth]

shhh

[grim sequoia]

lol

[hidden moth]

still

almost every class/spec can cc u in silence

and even if they cant their teammate can

[grim sequoia]

what if they dont have their cc

[hidden moth]

coirrection, i have mut where stealth bar overlaps so mut is on normal bar and ambush shares the mutilate keybind slot on the stealth/ subt bar

however if playing blind side talent and it procs it makes ur next mut ambush instead

[grim sequoia]

for some reason, im finding ass rogue harder to play than sub rogue

[hidden moth]

u keeping all 3 targets doted? or at least 2

[grim sequoia]

last season sub rogue was pretty easy to kill people

[hidden moth]

wanna maintain a minimum 2x rup +2x gar

[neon jasper]

ive seen good rogues just cloak opener yolo

and do a good opener get momentum

finished

[hidden moth]

depends bc cloak doesnt stop

leg sweep lolol

[grim sequoia]

trickster sub rogue was so fun, is that still a thing this season?

[hidden moth]

or intim etc

[neon jasper]

ofc but in wizards or esp double casters

u can force a lot

[hidden moth]

true

[potent pivot]

I mean you can play it, but sub in general is a bit behind where it was last season iirc

[grim sequoia]

so what is the quickest burst @hidden moth cus all you said was just no

didnt provide the correct one

memelord

[hidden moth]

sec

recording it

[grim sequoia]

ty

[potent pivot]

Trickster will do more overall dps

In most cases

But as sub you shouldn’t care about overall dps

[pliant lintel]

trickster is horrible

[potent pivot]

Eh

It takes a lot for me to call something horrible

[jaunty mirage]

Outlaw?

[pliant lintel]

well you can play it in bgs

[jaunty mirage]

Ehehehehe

Gottem

[hidden moth]

waiting on this dummy to heal god damn takes forever kekw

[grim sequoia]

im ok with just text

dont have to record

like 1v1 situations

fastest way to kill the dude

the clanker says this

[hidden moth]

Ideally
cheap, gar, gar/bush, rupt, cheap, Dm, shiv, gouge, kb, venom, mut to 5 venom

[hidden moth]

where they getting the cps for all that for 1

2 it says gar only gives 1 cp

lmfao

[grim sequoia]

whats a bush

lol

[hidden moth]

ambush

[grim sequoia]

o

[hidden moth]

both are valid there, bush is a bit more upfront 2nd gar is more for sudden demise proc though

[grim sequoia]

ok ty let me practice it on a dummy

ty

[hidden moth]

though bush not even hitting 500k crit on a dummy

going off tooltip though making gar pandemic adding 6 seconds extra of imp gar is about 700k damage added

[potent pivot]

🤮

Is that ai

[grim sequoia]

its the clanker yes

dumb clanker

[potent pivot]

Don’t subject others to that

I’m joking

But ai is really bad at specific things like a game rotation

Especially for something as niche as wow pvp

[grim sequoia]

your keybinds are wild

these are mine, but theyre set up for multi class. Each keybind group stays the same for all classes (z defensives, x movement, c CC, v kicks). first row for most used abilities, second row for big CDs, third for heals/extra

rogue is the hardest to do since they have so much CC

[neon jasper]

u dont have to do for every spell

tbh u dont need 3 blinds since u use blind to win a game

[grim sequoia]

its arena1 blind, etc

[gleaming sentinel]

No shot you chat gpt’d assa rotation 💀

[grim sequoia]

it was as a joke

[neon jasper]

ye ik but is it really necessary? it should be used perma on healer pretty much

[gleaming sentinel]

No shame buddy just really funny to me

[neon jasper]

if u use blind to peel its kinda bad idk

[grim sequoia]

idk what if youre in a smoke screen, and the fookin ret comes rolling into the cloud to stun your ass before you kill the mage

im balls deep trying to kill this dude and pressing arena 2 blind for what ever reason to get him off me

its happened to me from the other side lol

[neon jasper]

I mean ok u do u

but u have gouge for that reason

[grim sequoia]

dont most rogues do arena1/2/3 for spells?

[neon jasper]

yeah with abilities that are used constantly so u dont have to target

cheap is fine

sap sure

but blind is kinda too much cuz long CD

[grim sequoia]

True, but its a ranged cc that you have to usually use asap

[pliant lintel]

blind 1/2/3 is fine

[grim sequoia]

like u cant gouge behind u

you have to turn

but you can blind1/2/3 any direction

you cant even gogue to your sides

or at least over 90 degrees

[fathom crag]

only 123 macro mandatory is cheap

rest is w/e

if i had more binds i would blind123

[neon jasper]

agreed

I mean in R1 range sure

on a glad level w/e

[fathom crag]

no1 uses blind arena123 in R1 range or tourney

on retail at least

but if u had the binds for it its good

but most ppl cant use

[grim sequoia]

Ill start using

is there a way to force healers to be arena 1 or whatever on gladius?

[fathom crag]

nah

[grim sequoia]

dang

[fathom crag]

you dont have gouge focus?

[neon jasper]

thats a shi thing cant sort

[hidden moth]

there is platter stuff that sets their name to w/e arena tar they are

but doubt they gonna keep that or add it to the arena frame ui in midnight

[grim sequoia]

i have to usually face them to gogue

so easier for my brain to just turn to them and tab gogue

[fathom crag]

gouge focus mandatory

u waste time tabbing

[hidden moth]

u can face them and turn around lol

without droping target

[grim sequoia]

o

thats true

[hidden moth]

mans gonna tab to a pet and gouge the fucking monkey

and not the healer

[grim sequoia]

i think smart tab only targets players no

[hidden moth]

generally yes im mostly memeing

[grim sequoia]

[fathom crag]

ye but trust me u will lose a lot of time tabbing

you should have garrote focus too

[neon jasper]

u can just rebind but not on rogue

tab targeting is speed killer

[grim sequoia]

too many keybinds

my ape brain cant handle

[fathom crag]

yea thats why blind123 cant be used

[grim sequoia]

i cant go crazy with rogue keybinds because then playing other classes will be harder

[hidden moth]

im troll and dont have 123 macros

i have arena 123 bound and focus macros

[fathom crag]

thats what i have

[pliant lintel]

only thing blind 1/2/3 is useful for is if you want to blind a resto druid when they come out of stealth

[hidden moth]

^

[pliant lintel]

if you have to blind defensive you already lost

[hidden moth]

also dont forget to

forget u can make a action bar say 6

[fathom crag]

if it was classic tho blind 123 is mandatory

[hidden moth]

and put macros for focus there and hide the bar and still hit the buttons

[fathom crag]

but u can play easily without it on retail

[pliant lintel]

lets start from scratch

do you have target 1/2/3 bound?

[grim sequoia]

yes

wheel up wheel click wheel down

[pliant lintel]

ok do you have focus 1/2/3 bound?

[grim sequoia]

no

[pliant lintel]

swap you blind 1/2/3 for focus 123

[grim sequoia]

i'll try to only focus the healer

[hidden moth]

healers can be kill targets

[grim sequoia]

im mainly copying this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw6Ybwn4OMI and trying to play like him

and i saw that keeping healer focused next to your allies' frames helps see how long theyre in CC

cus i tend to tunnel hard until im comfortable with a class

[pliant lintel]

If you bind target 1/2/3 & focus 1/2/3 you only need @focus macros then and like Trimaz said cheap 1/2/3

[neon jasper]

I mean its a 2.5 xp

id just watch any R1 player out there and not waste time

[grim sequoia]

who's R1 here

[neon jasper]

he legit showed himself to u xD

[grim sequoia]

jacko?

[neon jasper]

Trimaz

u dont know?

[grim sequoia]

The only R1 i know is papa bicmex

[hidden moth]

vw disc uses swap?

mmmm juicy kb target

[grim sequoia]

There aren't a lot of ass rogue pvp video guides

[hidden moth]

instant solo shuffle que pop?

is this a good sign or am i fucked

[grim sequoia]

u gun git hurt

[fathom crag]

i got a guide for assa if u can handle the french accent, can link in dm if u want

[grim sequoia]

oh wait trimaz has a guide

[hidden moth]

lmafooo

[grim sequoia]

oh i just found it! let me look

you sound familiar, did you do an outlaw rbg guide?

[neon jasper]

typically a bad sign

[hidden moth]

its okay

[neon jasper]

if above 2.6+

[hidden moth]

que failed 5+ times

[fathom crag]

probably

[grim sequoia]

season 1?

[neon jasper]

hmmm this brings back memories

[fathom crag]

nah i didnt play retail season 1 war within

[neon jasper]

smells on wintrade but who would wintrade mid season

[grim sequoia]

ahh

[hidden moth]

shitters

[fathom crag]

this was probably the cringest lobby i ever had

1 void 1 demo abusing the pet bugs & 1 sub rogue

[dark moon]

I vote fucked

How did it go?

[fathom crag]

apparently theres tunings

void nerf

is it actually true

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/594486-priest-adjustments-incoming-5-november/

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

lmfao

[neon jasper]

classic Rikmeyster guy

[harsh kiln]

what's the setup for big kingsbane?

[neon jasper]

every single exploit hes abusing

[harsh kiln]

or are you guys relying on envenom after?

[neon jasper]

about demo

[fathom crag]

vancleef enjoying the sin?

[outer sky]

Wtf 2.82m was only 9% of his health?

[spring bough]

yeah having a blast some lobbys

[spring bough]

lol this lobby was wicked cant believe i won a game with the spriest XD

every round but one under a minute lol

[outer sky]

Damn 1-5 for the fury

I had a 3 minute lobby on my dragon earlier

[spring bough]

god damn lol

mine was just under 5 lol

[outer sky]

3 minute lobby and in 5/6 games the healer died

Iike imagine being that bad at the game

You cant keep yourself up for 1 minute

In 5 games

[harsh kiln]

GOD DAMN, assass is boring

that shit made me log off out of boredom. amazing

[spring bough]

Maybe so but it does big dam and that silence too OP

[pliant lintel]

voidweaver nerfs

[harsh kiln]

the damage does not make it up for how boring it is for me atleast, i just had to get it out

[hidden moth]

25 min que

loged out to play lemix before it poped XD

[hidden moth]

both

[harsh kiln]

thanks, i've decided i do not care anymore haha

[hidden moth]

basically get gar rupt up

get death mark on for the extra damage+ extra dots etc and stacks for lethal dose

shiv 30% nature+bleed damage buff
into Tea+badge+damage buffing racials + cold blood+ kingsbane
envenom

[pliant lintel]

@outer sky i re played the same lobby as earlier, only this time it was on black rook hold

[hidden moth]

on dummy the kb and 2 coins from it did over 10 mil then the envenom with coins on follow up did another 9 mil

[hybrid palm]

In midnight cheap shot cd cycles around together or individually?

[potent pivot]

What

[hybrid palm]

Aren't there two charges ?

[pliant lintel]

only for sub

[potent pivot]

Not quite no

[potent pivot]

“Shot in the Dark has been redesigned – After using Vanish or Shadow Dance, your next Cheap Shot is free and ignores its cooldown.”

That’s not the same thing as 2 charges

[pliant lintel]

you'll run subterfuge as sub now and go for re stealths that's how you get 2 charges

but ye Notrickz is right

[hybrid palm]

Ok, thanks

[fathom crag]

this is gna be weird gameplay

cus GL restealthing as deathstalker

and all the aoe piss

[pliant lintel]

hopefully they fix corrupt the blood

[lime oar]

I think assass is fun tbh

[long shore]

Jacko I thought you were Sub? 😄

Sub is tough in shuffle, so much easier to play as assas

[pliant lintel]

I am just giving assa a go past 2 nights

feels like cheating tbh

Oh @long shore I’m playing different sub build now

[long shore]

Yes I know right. Spec shines in shuffle with bleed cleave damage !

[long shore]

Oh mind sharing a screenshot of your sub build?

Gonna try push 2400 as sub 😀

[pliant lintel]

i drop shadow focus and pick up replicating shadows in some match ups

same with shiv

damage is piss on sub so i just play for set up and giving people aids now

take lingering darkness too, not symbolic

i was trolling

[potent pivot]

Corrupt the blood is fine

[stoic spruce]

Corrupting blood is not fine wdym??

That's so mean

Who knows what side effects having corrupted blood would do to someone

[potent pivot]

Singular focus is the bugged deathstalker talent

[stoic spruce]

Sounds like the devs should have a singular focus on fixing the bug

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[pliant lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-rdj-eyeroll-gif-10493083

you knew what i meant

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/twinkie-cream-filled-food-yummy-gif-16469405

[potent pivot]

🤓

[long shore]

Oh wow you playing with double vanish here that's cool

I actually love double vanish

[waxen meteor]

Geting alt rogue up, will try more fatebound

@outer sky Do you actually use the 90% slow pvp talent?

[potent pivot]

He does, most don’t

[waxen meteor]

but that thing requires deadly to work isn't it?

playing without MS?

[potent pivot]

He uses the envenom one

[pliant lintel]

system shock

[potent pivot]

No? Where do you see that

[vocal surge]

@spring bough @outer sky we smashing 3s?

or yall shufflin'

[waxen meteor]

nvm, bad translation, just read the english version

[spring bough]

id do 2s or 3s

[vocal surge]

Lets get 'er done

[potent pivot]

Ahh

[vocal surge]

VW moment

[spring bough]

4.82million kingsbane lol

just for the initial

[vocal surge]

Waiting for dampening to kill a VW Disc

Peak gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

It took 80% dampening to kill him btw

[turbid ore]

i hate that shit bro\

when u kill thier dps and the healer doesnt leave the game

and makes u play an extra 5 mins for no reason

[glass hazel]

true wasting time

[turbid ore]

i sit there an msg them in stealth while i wait for dampening sometimes

[stoic spruce]

Is that you in your pfp?

If so, you look like you shred a mean guitar.

[turbid ore]

yeah lol

i can shred the fuck out of a mayhem song

[stoic spruce]

I'm telling you man, us shredders have that sense.

I get asked if I smoke weed as well

[broken otter]

Man, I've been sober from weed for 2.5 years, and not a day goes by I don't long to get baked.

Just can't afford it

Nearest dispo is 1.5 hours away and medical card is crazy expensive to upkeep

[turbid ore]

alright

time to bite the bullet and try to get my rogue to 1800 as well now

[stoic spruce]

What spec?

[turbid ore]

assass

i suck at outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Best of luck!

[turbid ore]

havent tried sub at all

it was my understanding assass is better though anyways

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[outer sky]

I just loaded into a shuffle, looked at my team comp, and thought "ah shit a dev evoker lobby"

but Im the dev evoker

[outer sky]

nice work!

[outer sky]

This sub rogue keeps talking shit to me so I'm time stopping him on his shadow dances

[pliant lintel]

Sub rogues are toxic players man

[stoic spruce]

Ye

Yet I'm the toxic one when hating on a spec that shares the same class as my main?

Okay buddy

[pliant lintel]

it's the unwritten rule that if there's another rogue in the lobby you have to completely piss on them to show them who's the alpha

[stoic spruce]

It annoys me how people hear "similar" and equate it to "exact perfect replica, 1:1"

Completely unrelated. I just wanted to vent rq.

[fathom crag]

how french is this mog

[stoic spruce]

@open thunder I didn't know you had it in you, I'm impressed.

[orchid plinth]

wow needs cigarette transmog

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[neon jasper]

u mean Balkan transmog

xd

[outer sky]

Missing the burqa

Man you guys ever have those lobbies

Where 1 dps just doesnt do anything right when theyre on your team

Then they play like a blizz con champ against you

That just happened to me

The WW monk died on my team without pressing ANYTHING twice

He had fort brew, karma, diffuse, port

He gets HoJd and he trinkets it but he just doesnt do anything after he trinkets. So he just dies anyway

Then the same thing happened the next game

But then when he was off my team he rotated his CDs perfectly

Like wtf

If it happens once like okay thats a fluke happens to the best of us. But twice in a row? Yeah no wtf

[wanton breach]

[outer sky]

Shuffle is such a troll fiesta I swear

[gleaming sentinel]

it can be so frustrating

went 2-4 in assa/ret/destro/feral lob

[outer sky]

Its annoying when the result of the match feels out of your control because someone else keeps griefing you on your own team

[gleaming sentinel]

me and the feral couldnt get a singlewin... shoulda been a 3-3 healer diff but ret had a crazy bop

[gleaming sentinel]

its hard in a situation like you're not sure if your healer is gonna press

so you cloak

and they press at the same time

then you die 30s later needing that cloak lol

[outer sky]

Even just trinketing

If you get a rogues trinket you may as well have gotten every single one of his defensive CDs

Because he will die 100-0 in a half DRs HoJ

Cloak and evasion dont do you any good when you die that fast in CC

If you dont have trinket

Like when I fight a rogue if they trinket theyre dead on my screen

I dont care whether or not they still have cloak or evasion

Its completely irrelevant

[wanton breach]

Surely Cheat Death will save you

[outer sky]

Yeah sure it will. Right after my date with Taylor Swift

[wanton breach]

[gleaming sentinel]

I think feint is a nice ability, like if I pre a big stun it’s such a big play… but if I mess that up I die

[outer sky]

Ive died 100-0 through feint wall in a stun before

[gleaming sentinel]

Unless I am on outlaw I just have it up all the time

[gleaming sentinel]

Really? To what lol

[outer sky]

Shadow blades and combust with dark ark

[gleaming sentinel]

ah welp

shoulda lined it

[outer sky]

I actually had trinket and every button

I refused to use them

Just out if principle

[gleaming sentinel]

man went down on his shield

sub fire mage is the most aggravating team man

you're winning, you're trading

woops trinket, its over

[outer sky]

I was like "theres no way the game is this bad that im going to die 100-0 through feint wall. No way"

I think part of me was also just curious if it was possible

[gleaming sentinel]

i want to be a god sub rogue, but solo shuffle makes me wanna stab myself in the leg as sub

yea thats crazy

[outer sky]

Did i tell you how the other day I was in a shuffle and I pre-feinted a hoj when the ret was bursting and my healer and his IQ comparable to a mentally disabled goldfish went and dispelled me so I ended up having to cloak

[gleaming sentinel]

thats a tough one

[outer sky]

And I swear we would have won the match if I had cloak a minute later

[gleaming sentinel]

its pretty ingrained to dispel hoj

[outer sky]

He basically put a 60% damage taken increase debuff on me

For all intents and purposes

Like what're you doing man

Idk

I'll never understand some of the decisions people make in shuffle

"This guy im responsible for keeping alive isnt taking enough damage right now. Id better fix that"

[fathom crag]

play blitz if u wanna improve mechanically

[outer sky]

If you can do it without getting banned

[gleaming sentinel]

2.6 in blitz

[rare vector]

is being a night elf mandatory?

[keen canopy]

only in the same way that going to company meetings is "highly recommended"

[rare vector]

rip

[pliant lintel]

Only if you play law or Assa but you can get 2.4 on whatever tbh

[outer sky]

one of the best things about having 4 kids is the haul they bring in on Halloween holy shit they cleaned up last night

[grave basin]

i mean

i fucking hate this game

i legit died from 100%

[lime oar]

Bro how do you play so much and have kids. I have 3 and barely play

[grave basin]

i have 2 with one more on the way

[pliant lintel]

bet you got the 'bro just press your turtle wtf'

[grave basin]

it was from stealth too

so he opened and the game just ended

[grave basin]

good thing is this is my alt that i just got geared

[pliant lintel]

yea still cringe gameplay tho

[spring bough]

i find myself leveling a paladin.....

do i auto convert to retail from remix and just deck it with the 20+ conq boxes ive stocked

[spring bough]

get wrecked

[outer sky]

I also own my own business

this is honestly one of the worst Mastery effects in the game imo. Like its not actually bad its still a good stats but it feels really bad being a reverse execute where things get harder to kill the lower their HP is. Like the whole enemy team will be sitting at like 5% hp and I just cant fucking kill anything because i do no damage when theyre all that low

[fathom crag]

what spec ?

[outer sky]

Dev evoker

[spring bough]

step 1 dont play evoker

LOL

step 2 ???

step 3 profit

[outer sky]

this mage was top damage on the meters but i deleted him so I looked to see what he did and its this

[grave basin]

im on a turkey

[spring bough]

i dont like it lol

[grave basin]

the monthly reward is more neutral coloured

[spring bough]

we have 2 turkey mounts.... lol

[grave basin]

look at the sweat

[grave basin]

in an epic bg

dude is laying out raid markers

[spring bough]

lol

people take epic bgs so seriously

[grave basin]

these premade go wild

oh oh

[jolly sierra]

agh

not that guy

[molten hedge]

He’s p good but his builds are fried

[outer sky]

Why did you reply to my screenshot with this?

[grave basin]

wanted to curse you

[outer sky]

Too late bro I'm already married

I like Flark's tournaments actually though

[keen canopy]

dude the epic bg premade scene is crazy

[grave basin]

ok i chuckled abit

[keen canopy]

some of those guys treat random epic bgs like it's the AWC or something i swear

[outer sky]

Have you seen the forums? Heres a lot of people who play the game just for that. They spam epic BGs and its like a huge deal to them

[keen canopy]

yeah i know right i never got it

whatever makes them happy i guess

even though arguably it ruins pvp for the super casuals who only queue bgs

[outer sky]

Its enough people that blizzard has made a new epic BG for midnight. I think the last one they made was Ashren right? That was a long af time ago

And its honestly the worst content in the entire game like my idea of hell is spending an eternity playing Ashren as melee dps

[keen canopy]

that's true now that i think about it

[outer sky]

So the new one cant possibly be worse than that

[keen canopy]

dude ashran is so bad idk how people enjoy it at all

honestly the only epic bg that isnt complete garbage is Isle of Conquest

not that Isle of Conquest is very good either

[outer sky]

None of them are very good

[spring bough]

cant wait to not play this new 40 man the entire midnight xpack

[keen canopy]

They could be good if people played them differently but that would require them to do something that isnt as effective

Alterac Valley is at it's best when both teams zerg boss not gonna lie but obviously turtling is more effective for winning even though it takes a decade and sucks

[outer sky]

Ill play it once just to try it if only so I can contribute to the conversation when people start complaining about it

[keen canopy]

to play

yeah ill play it but certainly not gonna be willfully

[gleaming sentinel]

i

[grave basin]

original ashran was really good though

[gleaming sentinel]

will do all the achieves for it and never do it again

[grave basin]

there were skirms distributed around

so you werent compeltely useless

i remember farming people in those mines

then alt tabbing to watch 15yr old pikaboo

[keen canopy]

but hey maybe i'll be wrong and this epic will actually be the one time they make an epic bg that isnt if you're melee you cant do anything basically and if you're ranged you rule with an iron fist as you slam your face on your keyboard to do 30 million dps

but who are we kidding

[grave basin]

boomy and mm hunter stonks..

[keen canopy]

ashran is the worst offender

what does a melee do in ashran other than grab solar sphere

defend mage?
get real

if you're melee in AV at least you can sit in towers usually, or take mines if it's a super turtle game

or in Isle of Conquest you can take Refinery and Quarry and kill glaives

[outer sky]

Regardless, even if its good all that will mean is some of the pvpers who dont currently play Epic BGs at all now may risk queueing one each week for the honor/conq. Since theres no rating or brackets or or rewards or anything attached to it, its just kind of pointless. Who's the game's best Epic BG player? Nobody even knows lol

[keen canopy]

isle of conquest now that i think about might actually not be super garbage if they nerf hangar slightly and buff glaives a lot

but idk

[keen canopy]

yeah exactly, and do people who start to WoW pvp really begin with epic bgs?
so it's not like it's going to get people into it either probably

and it's not like people want competitive epic bgs either of course i dont think anybody cares which team can get more crits as MM hunter or press more buttons as boomkin

[rose wigeon]

why are less rogues running hemotoxin now

[outer sky]

Because we need the feint talent to die 80-0 in a storm bolt instead of 100-0

[rose wigeon]

wouldnt we just run hemo/feint/bomb or disarm?

[outer sky]

You need bomb in every match up

If you dont need disarm you can take hemo

[rose wigeon]

hmm okay, gotta switch up my logic a bit

[outer sky]

Our meta build also kinda changed. Instead of just rotting everyone down all game we changed to doing literally nothing whatsoever and then randomly one shotting someone in 2 globals

So theres not really any healing going on

You either one shot them or you didn't

So an extra 5% MS is pretty trivial

[rose wigeon]

fair enough, appreciate the insight, id noticed it lately and i like understanding the WHY we do things, big ups ty

[spring bough]

wow they disabled the timerunner xfer.... cant get this new ret into solo shuffle lol

[rose wigeon]

thank god, i hope they never let you bring another ret into ss

[keen canopy]

I don't "wittle them down" I don't "do sustained damage" I ONE SHOT and if my combo doesn't kill them I. LOSE.

[spring bough]

i wanted to dole out some crazy cowboy shit like most rets do lol

[fathom crag]

DFA p cool too if u don’t need disarm

if u wanna have some fun

obv tricks is rly good as well

[jaunty mirage]

Really feel lately that system shock over hemo is the play

The extra damage on burst feels more noticeable than the extra ms

[outer sky]

yeah i think so too but I dont have any r1 titles so I can't make that call. The last time I suggested talents everyone clowned on me and then my build became meta for the 1st 2 seasons. Is what it is

[jaunty mirage]

Plus the added bonus of them being briefly slowed to shit

I love it vs super mobile classes

Watching a ret waste freedom on a system shock slow is great

[outer sky]

I've heard the objection that system shock is "conditional" meaning you may not always proc it because it needs a target that has garrote, rupture, and a lethal poison on it plus use at least 5 combo points. But my response to that is "Yeah maybe once every 100 games. If it's more than that then you need to figure out why you're constantly sending your go on a target without full bleeds or with less than 5 combo points"

realistically every target you kingsbane should meet the system shock requirements

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah exactly

Bare minimum you should be getting system shock procs on every kingsbane go

[outer sky]

yeah for sure

[jaunty mirage]

But really if you’re pressing envenom, the target should be fully dotted anyways

Otherwise why are you pressing it

[outer sky]

exactly lol

i mean yes theres niche situations

mage has combust

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah for sure

[outer sky]

so you kidney bomb

no bleeds

just send it

but thats not happening very often

[jaunty mirage]

Yep

Yeah

I’ve def sent envenoms on people with like 5% hp with minimal dots cause the healer is in cc

But probably 80% of the time or more you shouldn’t be pressing it unless they’re fully dotted

[outer sky]

id say like 95% lol

[outer sky]

Dominance asserted successfully. Although the Surv hunter clowned on all of us with a 5-1

[rose wigeon]

So why are top rogues not using 4 set. A massive cdr on major cds seems like a sure fire lock in, yet alot of top rogues arent even using

[fathom crag]

u want to kingsbane with badge everytime

there’s no CDR on badge

so pointless to lose stats for it

deathmark bit useless since lots of ppl can remove it

[trail nacelle]

hi gamers

how do i do dmg

i used to be a rlly high outlaw player in sl and im picking it up again

i can win cus cc but is the damge just horrid

[keen canopy]

crack windows with high coin stacks

[trail nacelle]

i feel like i should be going greenskin but it doesnt look like it

[keen canopy]

no

HO is what people use

but between you and me

and probably vancleef i think

KiR is cooler

but most people use HO i think

[trail nacelle]

ngl king i have no idea what those acryonyms stand for

[keen canopy]

the one time i use them

and its somebody who doesnt know

HO is Hidden Opportunity

the talent left most on the outlaw tree

[trail nacelle]

i figured that one out i cant figure out kir lmaoo

[keen canopy]

KiR is Keep it Rolling

[trail nacelle]

ahh

[keen canopy]

center talent

[trail nacelle]

yeah im not using ts

[keen canopy]

shame

[trail nacelle]

the dispatch node above it seems good tho

hmm

also why do ppl press ar instantly

[keen canopy]

wdym

like when they already have it?

[trail nacelle]

the like 2 outlaw players i saw on my way up to 2700 on my main always pressed AR the second the gates dropped

[keen canopy]

idk probably because they just want it up and to have the cooldown ticking?

but dont they miss coin damage while doing that

surely that isnt right

[trail nacelle]

yeah it didnt make sense to me i was so curious

[keen canopy]

but im not nearly as good at outlaw as I am Sub or Assassination so i cant really say with 100% confidence

[trail nacelle]

so for kir what else do i even drop

or do i also trash crackshot

[pliant lintel]

don't play kir

just play HO

[trail nacelle]

it seems like bait

[keen canopy]

yeah most people dont play kir at all

[trail nacelle]

ah

[keen canopy]

im just the 1%

[trail nacelle]

the node above it seems good w cracklshot too tho

[spring bough]

KIR is fun lol

[keen canopy]

yeah vancleef gets it

[pliant lintel]

and

you won't do damage on outlaw

you just set up

[keen canopy]

yeah that is also true

[pliant lintel]

and micro cc until you win

[keen canopy]

unless you're hitting crackshots with high coins
you aren't really doing a lot of damage

sub and sin fatebound are really the high damage specs

[pliant lintel]

eventually somebody will drop to 50% you'll pop Vanish AR between and kill them with coin procs

that's how you kill on outlaw

[keen canopy]

yeah exactly

unless you get like REALLY lucky with coins
then you can just go crazy

but that is only gonna happen every like 100 games so

[outer sky]

it desyncs kingsbane from badge trinket thats why

[trail nacelle]

so its normal for me to be like below everyone by 30% 😭 ??

[fathom crag]

yes

unless u got insane momentum and enemy team is perma ccd perfectly

[potent pivot]

It’s also just not a massive CDR

It’s reduced in pvp

[spring bough]

what spec should the tauren rogue be

[pliant lintel]

sub

stealth cow

[spring bough]

just used 26 boxes and filled every slot lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Maybe I need to level some chars in remix while it’s easy…

[spring bough]

gonna have to wait to xfer they turned it off for now lol

lucky i got this rogoe off remix like a week ago

[pliant lintel]

you going to play sub?

[spring bough]

idk think im gonna troll and play sin with one less vanish lol

[outer sky]

What would you gain for doing that

[spring bough]

nothin but a challenge lol

[pliant lintel]

warstomp

[spring bough]

im highmountain

so bullrush

and less dmg

[pliant lintel]

oh rip

[spring bough]

first solo im in a 2k lobby bout to 6-0 this

[outer sky]

Try the supercharger build if youre gunna do that. The problem with that build is you cant get forced induction without dropping double vanish or thistle tea and dropping tea practically defeats the purpose and dropping double vanish feels terrible but if youre gunna do it anyway ya may as well be our guinea pig for that build

[spring bough]

so do i drop tea or vanish

lol

[jaunty mirage]

Drop gouge

[spring bough]

i already dont play gouge

[outer sky]

That doesnt get you forced induction

[pliant lintel]

you could play some cheese build drop tea for supercharger and grab amp poison and hit massive envenoms

idk if that would work im not assa nerd

[jaunty mirage]

Drop blind

[outer sky]

It defeats the purpose. The damage you'd gain from supercharger wouldn't be much more than what you lose for dropping tea. Tea is a ton of mastery

Its actually a really badly designed bottom row

2 talents that basically do the same thing just differently

Tea and forced induction

[pliant lintel]

i'd imagine playing assa without vigour would feel bad as well no?

[outer sky]

Yep

[outer sky]

That wouldn't just feel bad. It would be a pretty substantial dps loss just from all the sanguine blades procs you'd miss out on

[pliant lintel]

ye

trying to spread bleeds would be a pain

[spring bough]

6-0 with 1 vanish

lol

rupture went BRRRTTTTTTT

[outer sky]

You 6-0d a lobby?

[spring bough]

oh whoops i was ER and not forced induction too LOL

[spring bough]

2k mmr fresh char 0 cr and i only have 1 conq wep lol

and i have 40% mastery

[outer sky]

If youre doing this meme shit then you may as well drop tempest and carnage and pick up amp poison

[pliant lintel]

do for science

[outer sky]

You also dont need garrote silence

Its useless without subterfuge

[spring bough]

would u adjust anything or leave

[outer sky]

I wouldn't take dragon tempered.

Just dont run wound

[spring bough]

im taking it

for wound and amp

[outer sky]

Just run hemo

That'll cover your ms

[spring bough]

oo i need to get mind numbing too

[gleaming sentinel]

top 50 all 3 specs in shuff, im gettig there

[outer sky]

Also

Im wondering if maybe you should run deathstalker instead of fatebound

One of the talents is like +20% envenom damage after shiv

[spring bough]

nah def running fatebound lol

this kinda similar to the FB raid build

[outer sky]

I would drop garrote silence and pick up master assassin

I really hope theres no noobies that just came in here for the 1st time looking for advice reading this

[spring bough]

master assassin only a 6 second with no subterfuge lol

[outer sky]

Well garrote silence is completely useless because you have to choose between the silence and a cheap shot off your vanish

Like i would for sure not run that with this build

[spring bough]

how bout this

[outer sky]

Mmm I wouldn't. Youre losing a lot of agility not having scent of blood.

And I feel like you still want the execute

[spring bough]

5.3mil envenoms on the training dummy with the one i linked before. waiting for a solo match lol

1 kingsbane did 18mil lol

[spring bough]

its working.... round 1 17 seconds

lock dead

2.2k mmr

[spring bough]

i need more mastery since i just got the conq box gear on lol

[outer sky]

Yeah that helps

In pvp I have 90% on my rogues

[spring bough]

yeah 89% on my night elf... 41% on this tauren

just had 3-3 healers win trading clear as day

2 rounds shaman and disc didnt do anything not press 1 button

[outer sky]

Idk sounds like most healers below 2.4 lol

[spring bough]

bro stood in opening area

and didnt move

then played next round

[gleaming sentinel]

i had a very obvious bot in a lobby today

[pliant lintel]

hunters?

[gleaming sentinel]

it was actually an assa rogue

[pliant lintel]

ooh interesting, i just played 2 lobbies into a surv hunter with trap & flare bot

cringe af

[potent pivot]

What was obvious about it?

Just curious lol

[gleaming sentinel]

well when he woudl dps, he'd just stand in one place

i'd hit dance and he'd blind or step disarm within a millisecond

even when i'd open, the same global he'd have me disarmed from stealth

he had like 8 honor level, no transmog, a weird name

and was 2300 mmr lol

[potent pivot]

I see

[gleaming sentinel]

tried to check his account

hidden

[potent pivot]

Does sound a lil sus

[gleaming sentinel]

he still went 1-5 too which is kinda funny

"darknet" a gnome rogue

with funny letters

[outer sky]

Nasrajin posted what looks like a bot on the forums today

Here look how fast this guy trinkets

Thats either a bot or a very coincidential fat finger but nobody's reaction time is that fast

[grim sequoia]

Why is arena 1 the third slot in gladius? lol

[tight hill]

pre trinketed the stun

[tight hill]

do you have framesort set to sort arena frames?

[pliant lintel]

that's a bot

[outer sky]

Yeah i think so too

I slowed it down to 25% speed and it looks exactly the same

[gleaming sentinel]

just cracked 2300 on sub :>

[pliant lintel]

good job man keep it up!

[outer sky]

https://www.betterhelp.com/

[pliant lintel]

LOL

[dark moon]

goddaaaaamn

[gleaming sentinel]

[grim sequoia]

i did but i took it off

[gleaming sentinel]

I'm putting in the gmaes this expac! i wanna be a good rogue

[grim sequoia]

I spammed target dummy, pretending to do focus target CC and shit

and i think i finally got how to play ass rogue

[dark moon]

double dk pres looks so yummy

they stack, you bleed, they die, you collect points

[grim sequoia]

yeah lol crimson tempest putting in the work

i was able to rupture their pets too

[tight hill]

ok, well framesort can move the the frames around but not change arena123 so it's most likely that, you can write macros that use frame1/2/3 if you want to use it

[outer sky]

Wow thats a dream assa lobby

[outer sky]

I was doing shuffle earlier on my dev evoker and thats just some trap alt im playing at like 2.1 so idgaf about his rating. So there was this sub rogue in the lobby who was flaming me for being shit at my class (which is true but also fuck that guy) so every time he was on my team when I saw him dance and stun someone for a go id Time Stop him lol

[pliant lintel]

poor rogue man, i bet he logged out and went for a walk after that lobby

[spring bough]

maybe it was PK lol

[pliant lintel]

I used to get so tilted playing sub in shuffle but I think I've gone past the point now

[outer sky]

Yeah you just get numb to it

[pliant lintel]

Yea man exactly! Helps if you play 3s though

[spring bough]

nothing like winning a hard fought out AV

[pliant lintel]

I think if you just shuffled 24/7 you’d quit

[outer sky]

There's a new rival in the game boys

[pliant lintel]

next stop elite

[outer sky]

I'm so bad at this shit its unreal lol

[pliant lintel]

nahh man can't be bad at dev

it's got like 3 buttons