pvp

[pale iris]

Wait wtf how do you open this window to see your artifact weapon ?

[stoic spruce]

Gosh I still gotta do the monstrosity cheivo

[gaunt egret]

Legion remix artifact addon

Seems like the honor in retail counts despite it saying "unavailable"

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats for sure

But remix idk

I actually can't remember how I unlocked them, this was years ago.

surely there's a way in remix.

[gaunt egret]

I got it when remix released, never played the original remix

[stoic spruce]

I'd have to log back on and check but my guess is they're not unlockable on remix because of lack of pvp

Hope I'm wrong tho

They're really good

Then blue ones are the best

[gaunt egret]

Yeah those look sick

[gusty hedge]

warband everything all at once should unlock them if you've done them in retail

[gaunt egret]

From what it seems like weapon tints that say "unavailable" just means it cant be unlocked on Remix but can be unlocked through retail

[outer sky]

LOL Look at what I did to this warlock. It's from my warlock's PoV but watch the enemy warlock's health and the dps meter. Bro just disappeared in the opener 🤣

[wanton breach]

I blinked and he was gone

Disc priest pumping too

[proper heath]

Hey guys corruptions are no longer a thing right?

[outer sky]

nope

[outer sky]

the funniest part is the holy priest flies away right as he dies. bro's like "yeah no fuck that I'm out"

[proper heath]

is conquest uncapped yet?

[outer sky]

not yet

i think 2 more resets

[wanton breach]

21st/22nd

[proper heath]

Guys what did they change

disc priests are sending entropic rifts

without casting mind blast I swear

it's just coming out of their ass.

[gleaming sentinel]

All the homies love fatebound assa

My second one is almost 2.4 then I’ll sit em til uncap for the legend spam

[gleaming sentinel]

Convince me there is a good outlaw mog on remix, I hate leveling

[stoic spruce]

Leveling in legion remix is soooo much better than mop

So much smoother

But there's a couple

[gleaming sentinel]

Only one I want is the varian sword

[dark kernel]

Just go slow. I may be played mist remix a couple times a week for a few hours and I got everything

[stoic spruce]

Bf6 launches today

It's so over

[dark kernel]

I have never played a battlefield

I've only played like three or four of the call of duty's

[waxen meteor]

Me either

Tbh I am not a fan of any shooting game

Btw BM 2.1 is free ride lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Shuffle Q on second account while I level

[dark kernel]

That'd be nice man

I should activate my ancient account and use it to power level and flex all my vanilla discontinued stuff

[gleaming sentinel]

I got money, what I don’t have is time

[dark kernel]

I do t have either rn

Lol

[gleaming sentinel]

been there buddy

[spring bough]

Do it

Only thing u can’t do is xfer chars between blizz accts anymore 😭

[dark kernel]

Yeah I messed up because of how tech was

So my old account was so old it wasnr even associated with an email, this was in legion

And I had to physically call customer service to get into the account

They manually.linked it to an email, but this was before you could house different wow accounts on like one battle.bet, so it's attached to a completely separate one no transmog share or nothing

[molten hedge]

Damn you an oldhead

[jolly sierra]

i had a linked acc too

was a trial one, i got some xmogs from there

[jolly sierra]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17HkaYx14g

XD

[spring bough]

Facebook? Haven’t been on there in years 😭

[jolly sierra]

its a wow meme

sec

the comments are funny anyways

[languid ravine]

guys I got blamed for the 200th time for losing a blitz BG

but you know whats weird

this time is different it was the first time it was actually my fault lul

guess miracles still happen

[spring bough]

Damn what happened

Usually it’s everyone else and somehow we get blamed 😭

[languid ravine]

I went to the wrong cart and my team died after 10 seconds of zerging

[spring bough]

The crystal cart map?

Or the water lava map

[languid ravine]

lava^^

[spring bough]

Damn. I don’t think I’ve gone lava once on that map. Just solely stay water/top lol

[languid ravine]

yea but Outlaw though far as I know you re still healing enemies with every global

[spring bough]

What do you mean

[languid ravine]

like hitting earth shield with sabre slash for example

[spring bough]

Are we playing the same retail lol

[vocal surge]

Time to enjoy some Chicken Nuggets stuffed with Jalapenos and cheddar cheese

before a PvP session

[outer sky]

Im gunna tank rating tonight because I'm going out drinking. Every night I go out drinking I come home and lose like 300 pvp rating

[vocal surge]

F

[spring bough]

Love when a windows update bricks my launcher. And exe file too. And then I gotta do some crap in the game settings / scan and repair to get back on lol

[wanton breach]

double dh

in awc (again)

🤮

[dark moon]

they are losing tho, so its fine

[verbal field]

had 2 xplain what dispells are twice today

[wanton breach]

dis-what?

[dark kernel]

My battle.net is telling me I need another bios update and I fucking hate doing these

I already did the major Intel voltage fix so I wonder whatsup

[spring bough]

Yeah tell me about it bro

I had one come out like 3 weeks ago and I’m smashing delete key and can’t get into the bios utility. Sometimes that screen shows other times it doesn’t

Also q flash straight on the motherboard doesn’t work either

Losing my mind trying to get it to work. Have done display port, hdmi port on GPU and on the motherboard back n forth. Keyboard in every single usb slot. Tried to restart into it from CMD and from advanced startup and nothing 🤦‍♂️

[dark kernel]

Yeah...I may just fuck it off a bit.

[spring bough]

You have a 14th gen intel shit stick too?

[dark kernel]

Yeah, but I already did the voltage bios update

Which is why I don't know why we're getting the error message for another one

They typically only send that if it's like game breaking or PC busting

[spring bough]

I finally got in the bios and got it updated after an hour of trying

[broken otter]

Oh hey, I too spent ~$600 on a steaming pile of shit from Intel like a fucking clown!

I'll be buying AMD only, going forward.

Super infuriating that it was like a whole 8+ months between when I bought it and it started degrading, to where WoW was polite enough to tell me. Cause Intel sure as shit didn't say anything to me.

[hidden moth]

guys

scared for devourer

gonna be op in pvp

just looking at spell power for damge and nto weaving in colapsing star till the end.
voidblade 600% sp, (8% amp) hunger slash 900% sp , retreat 800% sp, hunt 800% (16% amp) +510% dot sp,Hunger 900% sp, retreat 800%, void meta, felblade 600% sp + 330% sp from explosion, (24% amp) hunger slash 900% sp +330% sp explo, retreat 800% sp, hunt 800% (32% amp) +510% sp + 330% sp explo, hunger 900% sp, retreat 800% sp
into a fucking star for 2000% sp lmfaoo

amp prob gonna be set to not refreshing with each application, so prob just 16-24% damage amp at any given moment of this chain. without accounting for crits and damage buffs from talents making spells hit % harder etc. the melee weave build for it the spec wit hfelscared

gonna do so much burst

[hybrid palm]

I've started playing feral, n literally rogue is 5 gcds for kill

[hidden moth]

14k % of spell power total

[potent pivot]

tuning rn is going to be very far off

all those numbers can be changed with a couple of backspaces

but yh they're probably going to be powerful s1 in all content, thats the usual M.O.

[hidden moth]

true

howeevr

fuck the damage

just

[potent pivot]

they gotta put out the carrot to get people to play it

[hidden moth]

that combo sounds so fucking brutal and satisfying

[potent pivot]

i didn't even read it all ngl

just saw all those numbers

i did watch a couple ppl play it on alpha

[hidden moth]

basically felblade or hunt onto the target, do big aoe follow up, vengeful retreat into ranged which also does good aoe damage.

[potent pivot]

does look kinda satisfying

if i do play midnight, i will likely play for dh than rogue

[hidden moth]

that go in pop melee dam pop out combo with felscared hero talents

can be done 4x in tandum

[potent pivot]

i'm just hype for the new sub rogue

[hidden moth]

i thought u said new sub was

[potent pivot]

dh stole another spec from us

[hidden moth]

basically ww monk

[potent pivot]

so fuck em

[hidden moth]

wym another rogue spec

what other rogue spec is there

[potent pivot]

ye i mean void dh

the new sub rogue

[hidden moth]

ah i see

i see

true

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1o3iccl/lemix_gearing_levelling_guide_clenchette/

[hidden moth]

bet

[spring bough]

remix fun asf

getting good past 600ilvl

[broken otter]

Yeah, at first I was bummed it wasn't super OP like MoP Remix, but I'm actually having fun at the slower pace.

I got my Mage to 76, but then "re-rolled" to a Subtlety Rogue.

[spring bough]

im doing DH or BM next lol

[static holly]

Got the damn shoulders for my rogue 👌 but they are super ugly

Now I can wait till Dec and get the time gated leather ensembles and the karazahn mount

I'm too lazy to care about cosmetics 😄

[gleaming sentinel]

we all rolling dh in midnight?

(I refuse)

[spring bough]

They are pretty good ngl. Plus warglaives and tier 3 looking like an OG rogue

[gleaming sentinel]

they cant stealth tho

https://tenor.com/view/chess-checkmate-its-it-over-gif-17459417336418427755

[static holly]

Matter of time till we get glaives for rogues

Hunter got 1h, so why not

They should really add pistols

[lime oar]

What’s it lookin like? Any videos out I can watch explaining the changes rn?

I’m prob gonna come back for midnight but arms and devourer are lookin juicy

[static holly]

I assume he means the new dh spec

It's always the same with blizzard, new spec/class = OP = more profile / sells. And maybe after s1 they will tune it down

[lime oar]

Oh I see the context now lmfao I’m dumb

[static holly]

I will stick to rogue. I don't care if we are low-tier or whatever

[spring bough]

Meld

Checkmated checkmate

[potent pivot]

[tender tartan]

I have decided I am tired of thinking

I am now a filthy 1 button presser

[jolly sierra]

just pick ret

and win everything without thinking

[tender tartan]

nah that needs me to use my sanc weakaura and listen to it

im pushing wind strike 50 times and oneshotting people

its great

[jolly sierra]

i don't use sanc weakaura and reached 2k4 in a season

xddd

[gilded gulch]

Theres few sets they work with

[jolly sierra]

is he talking bout sathyr ones?

[gilded gulch]

i imagine

8 years late to the party

[jolly sierra]

ye, i got em back in the day w abandoned tokens lol

does they matches well w new bloodfang?

[gilded gulch]

imo not really

[jolly sierra]

got it, i recall using it a lot w the V cut red vest from legion

[hidden moth]

im not even lvl 30 lmfaoo

[spring bough]

itll go quick

[spring bough]

i rerolled DH

outlaw just isnt doing it on remix lol

tank DH at that too

[gleaming sentinel]

navrans ever disc makes me feel like a super saiyan as oulaw

lol

[spring bough]

use felspike youll thank me once u hit that lol

[woven gale]

Im just using remix to level my Worgen Rogue atm

Think imma just use Fury and Icemage for actually doing anything

[spring bough]

yeah i spent too much time on rogue thinkin it would start pumpin and it feels flat. then seeing the DH go crazy... yeah im switching lol

[gleaming sentinel]

i bet sub can blast

[spring bough]

possibly... just seems like DHs and rets just outpacing.. same with warrs

capstone for vengeance a life saving talent too GG gonna be invincible lol

[outer sky]

This game is so bad

[spring bough]

join everyone on remix lol

go DH or ret and GG

[outer sky]

i dont see the point

like thats so weird to me that people actually play a dated version of the game thats going to be deleted in 3 months anyway

[broken otter]

It's something to do aside from my usual queue spam, and I get lots of neat pets, mounts, and xmog.

Then again, I've always kinda enjoyed just throwing on a podcast and mindlessly doing casual content.

[sharp sierra]

ive been doing ww and it feels fun but lowkey might just do an ice mage to make the aoe farming even easier lmao

[potent pivot]

its mostly to farm appearances and shit on everything from being overpowered

[hidden moth]

its ass

all the dam is that fuckin infernal bs

[stoic spruce]

we back at it

with the GOAT

THE GOOOAT

[hidden moth]

that og or remaster?

[stoic spruce]

og

[hidden moth]

groiss

well i say that

but thats just bc in og and the other games u cant change ur fucking key binds

[stoic spruce]

Why would I need to do that? It's all adequate enough

[hidden moth]

bc who tf

is using 1 hand

to hit

tilda

zxcafeasfd on the left side and hitingf ljmkoljiojlmp[[[ookkp=-=+\ on the right

AND THE FUCKING KEYPAD

those key binds are so fucking dog water

[outer sky]

If you guys find a good voidweaver

it's so OP

these are the recent games from 2 of my rogues

it feels like we cant lose

all of those losses we either hard trolled or just got 1 shot by some cheese in the opener

and those are 2 different priests

like it really feels like we can't lose

[tender tartan]

Finally

[outer sky]

aye gj bro sick 6-0

[tender tartan]

all it took was popping cds and mashing wind strike

the way blizz intended

[outer sky]

did the warrior not just disarm you every ascendance?

[tender tartan]

the 1 time he did i insta trinketed

[outer sky]

what I do is save all my DRs for ascendance. Then I disarm it, the sham trinkets, then I insta kidney him then gouge him

[tender tartan]

lowkey been nice to not have to think for shuffle

kite and mash windstrike

[outer sky]

yeah if you lose as enh shaman it's almost impossible for it to ever be your fault lol

[tender tartan]

I had a 0-6 hpal yelling at me for hitting a priest

when I hit them while rooted to build maelstrom

xD

but yea its kinda just full brain off except capacitor moving ig

which arguably isnt even needed

just helps

least in pisslo

[outer sky]

I'm losing my mind with these idiots

[outer sky]

Tilda is my keybind for push to talk when I use that in discord

[lost quest]

Whats that font?

[outer sky]

Idk. Its just how my chat looks

[orchid plinth]

Prototype I believe

[carmine sequoia]

Is there any hope outlaw will be getting a damage buff in pvp? Sometimes I'm losing in DPs to Disc voidweavers

[stoic spruce]

Yeah in midnight

[carmine sequoia]

[stoic spruce]

Sorry pookie

We're too under the radar

[warped basin]

This may be too broad of a question but in SS when do I sit on healer vs one of the dps?

Also, when do I go for more control vs dmg? I’m playing assa btw

Thanks (:

[spring bough]

Jett is that u

[molten hedge]

I’ve killed thru bop with kingsbane just git gud man obviously 🤷

😁😂

[jaunty mirage]

Never talk to people in shuffle

I’ve had a healer whisper me before that I was throwing on his team cause my damage was lower and lobby was like hpal/ret/sv

Had a destro lock the other night tell me to stop pressing kidney on the dps so I started throwing it on the heals and when he eventually died he was like “bro peels???”

[gleaming sentinel]

I lost a rd with a destro lock becuase he pressed shadow fury on cd…. Next round I told him to take it off his bars and we won

And he was all snarky about it

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

[karmic summit]

Trying to reason with a paladin

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah first mistake was talking to a paladin player

[manic steppe]

seems like they havent fixed this yet i dinged 80 like 2hrs ago and did my gdruid artifact quest and some other stuff and went back to put the scornwing on my druid and i just had the gdruid forms

[spring bough]

they better never fix it lol

i hope the only fix they can figure out is some game breaking thing so they cant implement the fix LOL

[hidden moth]

nah my ;point wasnt that eww tilda it was ewww 1 hand to use everything from tilda to the keypad

i like tilda i useit of abilities in wow like tranq shot

my push to talk is ctrl but

i ususally dont have ptt on sincei have adjusted my mic sensitivity to block basically everything but my voice

[dark moon]

Whaazz got dced and still won, that must've hurt

[outer sky]

nah see what happens when someone DCs in this game is everyone on the enemy team burns all their CDs trying to kill someone before they get back but are never able to and then when they get back their team is way ahead because yours blew everything trying to kill during the DC

[dark moon]

wdym nah, they got baited so hard

on a tournament game and lost like shuffle dogs, which hurts

[outer sky]

hey guys, since we're playing this envenom build now, what do you think about taking the System Shock PvP Talent when we dont need disarm? I just tried it in a skirm and it was hitting for 400k+. That's basically like 15% more envenom damage

i know it's not a lot of damage overall but it's a good bit of extra damage when it counts

[potent pivot]

Tried dfa at all?

Might be shit without supercharger tho idk

[outer sky]

it's too slow

like in the time it takes to do the animation your stun could end, your healer CC may end, your bomb could fade, etc etc

Plus its a cooldown. System Shock hits every single envenom right as the envenom hits. And the 90% slow aint bad either

hey look my shuffle and blitz ratings are the same

[jolly sierra]

that sync

is like alignning stars wtf

[outer sky]

i just won another blitz so my blitz rating is 2653 now rip

[jolly sierra]

welp

worth it

u have the screen

[outer sky]

it was the orbs map and at the start i beat the ret to the zerker then stunned him, when he got low he BoPd then I immediately envenomed him for 3.3m and killed him through BoP LOL

[outer sky]

oh that wasnt a question

i misunderstood

sorry

[jolly sierra]

all good

[outer sky]

Ya know what assa rogue really needs right now? Marked for Death. That would be perfect with the current way it plays

[jolly sierra]

agree, idk why tf was suddenly removed in end s1

from df

[dark kernel]

first games in about 3 weeks

outlaw doesnt feel near as bad

[outer sky]

sick 6-0 thats always nice

anyone know why the Inevitable End build isn't preferred in Blitz?

[outer sky]

doing 3s and we just won a game where my healer topped damage and healing

[teal adder]

New assasination rogue player here 🙂 how to play out of stealth in solo bgs? I have several options, like ambush, cheap shot and garrote. I tend to use garrote for silence but not sure if that's optimal.

[dark moon]

It's mostly situational, but if you're playing deathstalker you need to apply with ambush.

[tight hill]

wondered the same thing, assume the logic is running deeper strat over cold blood = more consistent dmg over the game

[outer sky]

but they mostly run cold blood

[tight hill]

hm, maybe changed talents and forgot to switch inevitable end back lol otherwise i can't think of a reason

assumed most people switched off IE because it does nothing without CB and running DS

[outer sky]

Lol look what I did to Val and Mes's healer

https://www.twitch.tv/notmes/clip/DiligentRockySoybeanDancingBaby-TgayiXPQKO7NCU1e

[orchid plinth]

What even happens? Kingsbanecoinlol?

[outer sky]

4.4m kingsbane and a 2.8m coin

[wanton breach]

My guess would be that some prefer envenom crits over kingsbane crits ans the other way around. I haven't played enough with both to have an opinion yet

[wanton breach]

I miss MFD into DFA 🥲

The ability pruning continues

[dark kernel]

I played a good bit of assassination this weekend

[lilac sigil]

Both Drake and Trill played deeper strat in AWC. I tested both and Inevitable End seems more dmg if you manage to use envenom 2 times and be lucky to get KB crit

[dark kernel]

It's so funny you just never know when a deathmark/kingsbane combo is just going to instakill someone

[spring bough]

Are we so back?

Idt im gonna pvp till im max ilvl in remix 😂

[dark kernel]

You can't anyway lol

[spring bough]

I mean I don’t think I’m gonna stop playing remix to go back to my rogue until im max in remix. It’s too much fun being OP tanking whole dungeons

[dark kernel]

Yeah remix is fun

I'm not even level 30 yet lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

rogue kinda sucks in remix

[gleaming sentinel]

when you reroll, do you keep your wepaon power? or anythign to make leveling easier?

[spring bough]

You keep all the xp gains your wep gives. And you keep the infinite knowledge level which power boosts your infinite power gains

I started a DH and in one day he’s at 630 and almost 1.5mil infinite power. It zooms for alts

[gleaming sentinel]

ok so i dont have to repeat the campaign

maybei blast a prot warr up

[spring bough]

Nope. Goal is to max out infinite knowledge so the infinite power gains for alts is 20x what the original char was

And stack the xp gains so it’s even easier. I think completing all the campaigns gives 50% warband xp buff too

[gleaming sentinel]

should i do the suramar one too then?

[spring bough]

Think you need to do it for that 50% one

[grave basin]

it's not about the campaign

campaign gives cosmetics

it';s the sojourner that gives IP

[gleaming sentinel]

ah

[grave basin]

@spring bough

the ilvl creep is crazy

[spring bough]

Just make ur own group and stack it now lol

[grave basin]

i mean the boss just melts lol

19 seconds

[spring bough]

It’s gonna be even faster full 740 groups which is what Nighthold will mostly be next week

[grave basin]

yea really important to have a main you just keep feeding IP on

imagine having 30 of these

on an alt

you press the 100 tokens one time and you get 5% versa each time

we getting there

theres a rogue in this raid with 5m artifact power

[gleaming sentinel]

So the move is to do all the quests then spam m+ or what? I’m not sure how to get better ilvl

[grave basin]

you do the raid on mythic and heroic every day

then do m+

or just raid log the raids, thats what im doing

[grave basin]

im about to get the next rank btw

mythic raid OP

[gleaming sentinel]

cool

[grave basin]

hell yea

[gleaming sentinel]

so not really worth doing sojourner?

[grave basin]

it is lol

[gleaming sentinel]

bahhh

lol

[grave basin]

just not as important as mythic/heroic raid daily

[spring bough]

Do them. Takes like 30 or so not even

Heroic world tier get more rewards too

Smash all the rares and empowered mobs you see

Open all them boxes and just stack

[grave basin]

i think i was like 614 before this reset

and by this reset i mean 1059pm

now im 623

[grave basin]

done heroic helya

whole heroic raid took 6mins

[dark kernel]

Damn

I'm not even max level yet.

[grave basin]

i mean once you start to do mythic raids it start to snowball quick

i started at 614 ilvl 1 hour ago and now im 625

now im gonna raid log and just chill and level alts

@spring bough dont you need to do mythic helya on every armor type to get the chosen dead mog?

i dont see mythic tint on the vendor

[spring bough]

Yeah need the achieve to get the mog but it’s only for that armor set on the class u do it on not all of them

[grave basin]

rip, then i need mail and leather and cloth

[dark kernel]

What's the rare sets from

Different achievements and finishing campaign zones?

[spring bough]

For TOV just a quest

[dark kernel]

Oh yeah?

I always just go in blind

[gleaming sentinel]

guess i do normal and heroic til my lvl is higher

cant get into mythic

[spring bough]

Just get up to 600 then you will get some invites lol

Unless the cutoffs higher now 😭

[gusty hedge]

IM SLACKING ON raids 100% did mythic EN yesterday,
really doing it for the bronze and mogs!
i tried to lvl anothe char but didnt seem like anything carried over except the 87% exp boost

[spring bough]

Time to retire rogue and go OP tank and solo it all

Only thing that carries is the xp boost and the infinite knowledge making gains faster

[gleaming sentinel]

just sticking with rogue, i cba leveling agian

[spring bough]

It went fast. Leveled my DH and passed my rogues ilvl in less than a day lol

[gleaming sentinel]

im pretty close to 600

assa seems to scale pretty good

[grave basin]

leveling is INSANELY fast

[gleaming sentinel]

i just dont want to

rofl

[grave basin]

most of your power isnt actually in your weapon

it's from the verse you keep stacking and total ilvl

the +1000 stam or whatever is nothing

[spring bough]

Just get to 200% verse and any class gonna be a tank lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/Ii6vcHDzlx

😭

[outer sky]

I'd be so mad if I was this Mistweaver LOL

[outer sky]

wtf is this game

[gleaming sentinel]

Everyone’s on remix dude

Uncap soon then we’re so back

[outer sky]

this is excessively bad though

[dark kernel]

It is, but depending on what your MMR is you're just straight locked out of games

[outer sky]

my MMR is 3k

[dark kernel]

Yeah that queue ain't popping

One time nahj was trying to queue on his rank1 shuffle rogue during the day and his queue was like 9 hours because there was nobody even in range of him to queue

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

[spring bough]

Join the remix craze

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988

[spring bough]

Bro it’s so much fun being OP and just wrecking all the old content lol

[outer sky]

Not for me. I'm wrecking all the current content 😎

[spring bough]

Yeah I think I’m packed in on the season. Cause rogue in its current state ceases to exist in a few months just like remix will

And remix is more fun right now lol

[outer sky]

Rogue is in a great spot rn wym

[spring bough]

??? Go play outlul and tell me that lol

[outer sky]

thats not a rogue thats a pirate

[spring bough]

😭

I’ve become a DH can finally use these warglaives again

[outer sky]

ive just always thought it was such a strange spec to play in a fantasy game. Like, you could be a wizard hurling fireballs, a flying Godzilla monster, or a shapeshifting master of nature. But instead you decided to be a pirate.

[spring bough]

I mean it used to be just combat so I guess pirate is better lol

But now it seems like it is more cowboy

[outer sky]

should have your own divine steed

[outer sky]

I kinda wish theyd lean more into the alcoholic aspect of the pirate theme

[spring bough]

Do I just become a DH main at this point lol

[outer sky]

like you can drink liquor and the stronger it is the bigger buff it gives you

[dark kernel]

This made me remember, when playing vanilla wow the first time, the fact alcohol made your character perceive enemies as lower level was the coolest shit to discover

[outer sky]

Did it also make you perceive goblins as sexy women you want to sleep with? Because it's done that to me IRL a few times

[gleaming sentinel]

Ngl I’m having fun as assa

[outer sky]

Assa is so good rn

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/now-i'm-sad-that-was-unexepected-happy-to-sad-wallace-and-gromit-not-even-wensleydale-gif-8738173672854768801

[outer sky]

If I lose the game this queue eventually gives me I'm gunna rage so hard

[gleaming sentinel]

Play an alt or something.

[outer sky]

And miss the queue i've been waiting over 3 hours for already? Bro i'd skip my own funeral to take this queue when it pops

[gleaming sentinel]

lol

You gonna get like double hpal frost mage or some thing man it ain’t worth

[outer sky]

its blitz

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh

Rofl I’m dumb

[pliant lintel]

or you'll get some dog low mmr lobby

[outer sky]

At this point it's just a test of my own will power

[dark kernel]

I hope you genuinely want rank1 or something. High key you typically have to queue at 10pm or later at that mmr

[outer sky]

OH MY GOD

I WENT TO PISS FOR 20 SECONDS AND I MISSED THE QUEUE POP

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM GOING TO LOSE MY FUCKING MIND

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ye

that always happens

[outer sky]

FBSJEHFASKJHEBALJ NFALJEFNALJFNA LJFBsieFB eFBk GERBKsrj

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think ive ever been this tilted on this game before OMG

3 AND A HALF HOURS

GBWSOgfnos re

owqj pi

njr gbHSBRGUHBSKRJGBNksjlgnLEakMF;qad

~!!!!!@@

[runic laurel]

Shouldn’t have pissed

[outer sky]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[jolly sierra]

oh god

he got into boss enrage

F

[gleaming sentinel]

Dude. LOL

[outer sky]

I want to take my mouse and throw it across the room right now I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE THIS

[dark kernel]

You should try drugs, might be an improvement to your life

[outer sky]

Been there done that

[vocal surge]

I am startin' to cruise in Remix lol

[pale storm]

You’re r1 mmr, games don’t start until like midnight lol you would have gotten some 2.6 shitter game anyway bro, it’s a blessing you missed the Q ong

[spring bough]

step 1 log out

step 2 create timerunner

step 3 no ques to deal with

[keen canopy]

it's really that easy

[broken otter]

I legit don't take heart pills I'm prescribed for that very reason.

(they make you pee constantly)

[stoic spruce]

/cast Soothe

[grave basin]

imagine playing the game

and not afking in dorn looking at an eye ball

cant be me

[stoic spruce]

imagine not playing BF6

LMG simulator frfr

[gusty hedge]

sheeesh

i just started 2nd char remix, Went Guardian druid

[gusty hedge]

ahh yeah i dnt have any vers lol 13%
havent done a single soujourner so thats prolly why over half way completion on suramar and stormheim.
noticing that now i will finish the achievement then finish druid

[glass hazel]

so tanks are op in the end?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[glass hazel]

which is the best one or doesnt really matter with this amount of vers?

tried rogue as first one but well stuff dies way too slow i forgot rogue sucks at leveling

[stoic spruce]

Van blue my notifs up about DH

So I guess DH lol

[glass hazel]

haha yeah probably since its dh expansion

[dark kernel]

You end up just soloing everything anyway

Makes sense tanks are mobile and self sufficient

[hidden moth]

Key meta rn is 5x tanks anyways

Lolol

[spring bough]

DH. War. Ret. Guardian

All of them blast. Just won’t blast compared to someone that’s already 50+ verse. But the power will come and you’ll be doing the same sooner than later lol

[glass hazel]

thanks

[gleaming sentinel]

Out. Law.

[spring bough]

Out. Lul.

DH was doing more dmg than the outlaw when it was 40 ilvls lower lol

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[spring bough]

I’m back to identifying as DH for now

[sharp sierra]

For sin I’ve been running disarm, preemptive, and smoke bomb but I notice some people run hemo toxin in place of disarm/preemptive. Is the only time to use when there’s no melee?

I also notice not everyone runs instant poison which is…weird no?

[potent pivot]

why on earth would you use instant poison

you run hemo like 90% of the time

[pliant lintel]

i'd rather run tricks than hemo if theres nothing to disarm

[potent pivot]

and wound poison

[potent pivot]

preemptive/disarm/tricks are the main swaps imo

[pliant lintel]

tricks is too good

if used right

[potent pivot]

its not that crazy

[pliant lintel]

i guess it would depend what you play with as well

[potent pivot]

also depends a bit on if we're talking shuffle or 3s etc

[sharp sierra]

Ngl I had two people rage at me in a shuffle a few months ago for not using it and I felt dumb lmao

[potent pivot]

but not running hemo is kinda whack to me idk

[sharp sierra]

Shuffle

That was my thought on hemo

But I love disarm

[potent pivot]

disarm is only useful into certain stuff

same with preemptive

[sharp sierra]

So would you swap hemo for preemptive or disarm

[potent pivot]

sounds like they have no idea what they're talking about idk, no rogue spec runs instant poison in pvp

[potent pivot]

i mostly lock in bomb/hemo and swap between disarm/preemptive/tricks

[sharp sierra]

So wound and cripple

I don’t use tricks ngl I’ll try swapping away from disarm so much

[potent pivot]

if you really want preemptive AND disarm you could drop hemo into that match up ig

[potent pivot]

ye

[sharp sierra]

Usually I keep disarm for the dh burst

Or double melee

I’ll try with out it for a few games

[potent pivot]

ye its pretty easy to tell when you want disarm

preemptive is a bit more obscure

a lot of stuns don't trigger it until the person hits you or some shit

[pliant lintel]

take disarm into warriors, rogues and mm hunters rest is meh

[sharp sierra]

Thanks all

[spring bough]

How’s your remix going before the sub expires

[potent pivot]

zero

been too busy to even try it yet tbh

whats that remix illusion called again

i wanna see what it looks like

[spring bough]

Felshatter or something

It’s pretty good ngl

Really good on the warglaives with sargerei set

[potent pivot]

wait

they added a green one?

[spring bough]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Can buy it and ones an achieve or something

But can’t get it till Argus comes out in like five weeks

Nighthold is Tuesday for 2 weeks then tomb then antorus

[potent pivot]

damn

i'm gonna have to read up on things

[spring bough]

Just go a class with a tank and crush everything lol

Fel spike artifact spell doing billions of dmg

[stoic spruce]

That's just outlaw

[jaunty mirage]

Disarm can be good into dks too

Doesn’t stop their damage really but a well-timed disarm when they’re low can be gg cause they can’t deathstrike

[wintry dew]

Or, you know, hit your boys up over in #transmog

[spring bough]

Outlaw 😭

[pliant lintel]

nah

[gleaming sentinel]

Tired of my favorite spec being hard to enjoy in literally every content

[gusty hedge]

@grave basin @spring bough
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/wrGlyVGaDk

[dark kernel]

I love league of legends

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-idiocracy-movie-movie-idiocracy-luke-wilson-gif-5372983730459315256

[spring bough]

Maybe it would be OP at 200% verse but no way am I suffering to get there

[spring bough]

Some dudes in the 800s already

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea wonder if going absorb traits and a bunch of vers you can be a tank rogue

[molten hedge]

Idk about anything going on in remix. I started in df s4 so I just sit in Dorn and press Q

Clueless about lore, story, remixes, etc

https://tenor.com/view/ozark-ruth-shit-about-fuck-gif-24761955

[sharp sierra]

nobody has cared about the story since shadowlands

"Oh look heres the main boss but to stretch this out two more years we will instead say about 40x that they werent the true boss"

[molten hedge]

Lmaooo. Ya I’ve skipped every cinematic and never read a single quest outside of the objective. I’m sure some ppl enjoy the lore though

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s fine the lore has been cheeks for years

[jolly sierra]

lets see how stable will be that spec for midnight so i have a backup

[fluid trench]

It’s not going to go any lower, it’s the favorite and the few devs that look at PvP main ret

It’s why I’ve played my rogue more lately 😆

[jolly sierra]

hope rog stays well

else will be a 1k8 trip only xd

[fluid trench]

I honestly don’t think rogue will be bad at all, maybe unpopular and zoomers will move away from it but a good rogue is still going to be terrifying

[molten hedge]

Whaazz, Kalvish, and Pika are all excited for rog changes

Maybe they’re just being optimistic idk

[fluid trench]

I like the shift to try and make shadowmeld less useful

[molten hedge]

For assa meld becomes even more valuable though

[fluid trench]

I’m gonna pretend you didn’t say that

Because fuck them knife ears

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[spring bough]

Can they idk give meld to everyone or disable it so I don’t have to play night elf in rated games

[pliant lintel]

imorph

[gleaming pawn]

With the importance of stealth getting removed from Outlaw and Sin (Sub is a shitshow of an incomplete dumpster fire still so who knows) Meld won’t be super impactful in Midnight. It will be nice for a defensive/restealth but it won’t be as good as it is now

[fluid trench]

Would absolutely rather be human or undead

I don’t play well when I ain’t vibin

[spring bough]

All about the mog vibes

[hidden moth]

Tbh though

Meld will still be meta for assa

Since your gar gets damage buff from coming out of stealth still.
You still have gar silence
And cheap shot still useful

Just rip aoe gar silence

[gleaming pawn]

Imp garrote will be less important to your damage and assa damage is going to come from chaining envenoms. So not getting restealths from meld won’t be a big deal

[carmine sequoia]

Quick question, is outlaw truly getting outdamage by voidweaver healers or is that just me?

[spring bough]

Voidweaver is omega and outlaw is lowest ST dmg class in the game right now so it’s everyone that’s playing outlaw lol

[molten hedge]

Ya I was gonna say wdym it won’t be as impactful @gleaming pawn As far as we know it’s still silencing as well

But I do hear you on envenoms being a bigger part of our dam

[hidden moth]

The cherry on top with imp garrote is the 50% damage buff. While it is not need for kills it’s very strong due to 6 sec of spammable silence 12 if taking subterfuge

Getting 12 seconds of extra damage, spam silence, and a use of cheap shot will make nelf the best assa rouge race bar none without question

[verbal field]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[gleaming pawn]

I think you’re misinterpreting what I am saying. Meld will still be good, without question but the gap between other racials is going to be a lot less. Assa is losing its focus on bleeds, and that silence effect is going to be shorter and cannot be spread to other targets through Crimson Tempest

We might not even be playing many of the bleed damage talents with how important poisons/kingsbane/envenom are going to be but it’s too early to tell.

Orc for instance is going to be a lot stronger when you can only get stunned twice before immune.

[pliant lintel]

they banned ruins and dalaran for cup 3 awc because people keep falling through the map

[hidden moth]

that silence is spamable so doesnt need to be spread, and its still 3 second duration then 1.5 second which is still a 4.5 second silence on enemy healer

[languid ravine]

10 years too late

[hidden moth]

sure the other races might catch up a little

but nelf will be the best race for assa rogue

[jolly sierra]

ruins of lordaeron revamp when

nagrand is good af

[hidden moth]

side note @spring bough @vocal surge

lock finna be crankin

[spring bough]

Sick pickup

[vocal surge]

Sheesh

[dark kernel]

You absolutely can buy a really good priest, especially if you are newer

[stiff tangle]

i aint buying this lol

not anymore

just realized im in the pvp channel, i take back what i said

[hidden moth]

quick flame em

jkjk

[stiff tangle]

lmao please i deserve it

[hidden moth]

tbh nelf was only bis for pve in keys for trash but even then dwarf was mmmmm juicer

still is

2 min cd on "yeah fuck ur mechanic"

[stiff tangle]

i feels thats

[hidden moth]

"thats bull shit this is bullshit its all bull shit fuck the church heres 95 reasons why"

[vocal surge]

Uhh

[severe helm]

Not anymore than now

Same same

[hidden moth]

i wasnt arguing that it will be more bis than now

more that it will remain bis race

[severe helm]

I mean all the racial suck compared to it for rogue

It's an extra vanish

[hybrid sapphire]

are queue times long af for anyone else

speak of the devil

[stoic spruce]

calling it an extra vanish is giving it too much credit tbh

[outer sky]

ridiculous

longer range and shorter CD than shadow step. Up to 3 charges

plus 40% increased glide speed

okay so i guess they just get to have the best mobility in game

and theyre mid ranged anyway so they dont need to fully connect in the first place

This should not be a choice node IMO

[jolly sierra]

that is a pve node tho

[vocal surge]

Iron Wire kinda too strong to ignore

even for a PvE node

between speed n CC

[severe helm]

Eh it's pretty close

[severe helm]

No one's taking that shit in pve

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

[severe helm]

33% is so hilariously piss useless compared to iron wire haha

They just did a bad job with the tree

[outer sky]

You wouldn't even take it in pve. Its probably more useful in pvp actually. It just competes with something that's absolutely mandatory. Thats why it's just a bad node.

[broken otter]

Fucking disgusting, but I kinda expected them to make the new spec stupid OP for launch.

Meanwhile my main (Mage) loses a bunch of mobility/defs

And Fire is down to a 3 button snooze rotation

[outer sky]

Yeah they always do that. It'll be busted for the 1st season and then they'll nerf it once the hype dies down

But they really need to stop adding new classes and specs

The more of them there are the harder the game is to balance

Simply because there's more variables

[broken otter]

Yup 100% agree

I'm less mad about them making new classes OP and more upset about them always making them seem way more fun than existing classes

Like they get to zip all over the map with a fun rotation and my class gets a lobotomy

[pliant lintel]

should've spent the time making evoker better rather than having some bs 2 button spec

[gleaming sentinel]

we kill them in kidneys ong fr

[molten hedge]

30 sec blur with 2.5 sec of nether gonna be a problem if they don’t die by the time kidney ends 😂

He did say IN kidney tho

[gleaming sentinel]

thats how it is now tho, sub soft counters dh

im a be a sub 1 trick next expac, i just dont see how outlaw gonna be good

[dark kernel]

We rolling boys

[languid ravine]

jesus man I m 50 rating from elite and my teammate keeps griefing me
-freecogs on cooldown
-cyclone my killtarget
-healer gets feared in the middle of the map first global
-death grip the Warlock AWAY from me in the opener
-focus the tankiest enemy

how does anyone play this game

[sharp sierra]

Most people are and with fire being dumb downed, frost getting giga buffed and arcane being giga buffed I’m sure mage will be feel amazing

I’m scared of fire

New bm hunter of magic

[molten hedge]

Being a multiclasser and someone who has friends that play a variety of classes, it’s funny that everyone thinks rogues are absolutely disgusting no matter what. But the rog community doesn’t always agree. But I play rogue and other classes and have mixed feelings

[gleaming sentinel]

rogues historically traumatized players

but hey maybe adrenaline rush will be like avatar and be scary

[pastel burrow]

rogues are reliably strong in pvp, even if its just 1 spec out of the 3 there's generally always one thats slapping cheeks, but most people who whine nonestop about rogues are the people who saw that video of a level 60 rogue with a grey dagger killing people back in vanilla

and they just havent got over it

[gleaming sentinel]

losing while in a stun is also just frustrating

and thats what rogues do the best

[pastel burrow]

true, no matter the class its always gonna eventually tilt someone to have their gameplay interrupted in any way

prob why the amount of micro/stutter cc in the game rn is giving people heart attacks

[gleaming sentinel]

like sub rogue is "im losing this im losing this" "oh wait he trinketed, dance bomb i win"

hit 2100 with 60% win rate on a fresh sub rogue

[spring bough]

By being cool calm and collected 😂

[languid ravine]

you know who else is cool calm and collected? the enemy marksmanship hunter that has been completely ignored during freecasting

aaaaaaaaand a leaver after 25min queue cool game

[spring bough]

Yeah I’d be raging lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah marks is not scary on outlaw, but as assassination I am not a fan

I'm 2100 mmr in 3s on both sin and outlaw rn

Kinda where the learning happens

[languid ravine]

I dont think I ve learned anything this season you cant work with shuffle ppl anymore everything I do feels bad, CC chains bad, Deathstalker very mid, trying to oneshot sucks, I need to permapeel for my teammates, Stun DR on everything, cant focus healer even when it would be good, going for restealths is impossible because the guy will die instantly when I stop tanking

and cant push backline either so they are ultra spread out

the only thing left is to log DH and spam Blade Dance for 6-0 every lobby

[tired sparrow]

Can any one explain how assassination rogue do most dmg (PvP)

[dark kernel]

Empowered garrote hits hard and you bleed the whole team simultaneously

When DRs come off you vanish stun, do it all again

[languid ravine]

2400 lobby, Ret pressed HoJ TWICE over 150 seconds match

whats the point

[tired sparrow]

Is there an Arron to see dr?

Addin

[pliant lintel]

gladius/Sarena

[hidden moth]

Diminish

God ima miss diminish

[outer sky]

Can someone copy and paste the meld>stealth macro please?

[tight hill]

/stopattack
/cast !Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```

[outer sky]

ty

[vagrant mulch]

Guys, pvp beginner here. Whats the diffrence between assa and sub?
I am mainly asking for Blitz Battleground, have no desire to play 2v2 or 3v3.
**I know this much. **
Assa: Better teamfight because of garrote and constant dps on multiple target.
Sub: Better cc? Better for solo cap? (I heard thesee but idk why its this way.)

[hidden moth]

Sub has easier access to stealth abilities via dance so they are the best at solo capping nodes

Also very high hurst so can kill efc easily or other prio targets

Assa is team fight supreme

It can do everything listed above just not as good as sub

[vagrant mulch]

I see, thank you for the answer. To a new rogue player what would you advice for blitz?

[hidden moth]

W/e u want to play

Assa is more zug zug though

[pliant lintel]

if you are new to rogue I would strongly suggest playing/learning assa first as it is much simpler but ultimately the choice is yours

[vagrant mulch]

Assa's rotation seems easier but idk

[hidden moth]

Sub you gotta be able to win your 1v1s

Assa is easier for sure

[vagrant mulch]

Assa can still yoink bases right, because u still have kidney - blind - sap - gouge just not infinite cheap shot i guess

[hidden moth]

U don’t have dance

That’s it

So less windows to cheap

[vagrant mulch]

Ait thx a lot, this was rly helpful to clear my mind

[hidden moth]

But your cheap windows are as big as subs

Assa can still spam cheap shot for 6 seconds upon leaving stealth

[vagrant mulch]

Yeah i saw some clips, 1 shot combos lookin good on assa aswell, being able to contribute to teamfights aswell seems fun since some maps would be better for assa

[vagrant mulch]

didnt knew that

[hidden moth]

All 3 can

Spec talent subterfuge

[outer sky]

The gap between sub and assa for base capping/sitting shrunk dramatically with the removal of shadowy duel

Now sub is really only marginally better

Especially since sub isnt playing subterfuge anymore

[gleaming sentinel]

I’d argue sin overall better atm since it can team fight and every kingsbane you can delete someone

[dark kernel]

I don't even know if I'm playing Assa right

I just use deathmark for coins and use kingsbane after shiv

It does large dam

[outer sky]

Unless the enemy team has no outs and i'm doing a go to kill, I usually use deathmark first then wait and see if they use a defensive or if someone trinkets in response to it. If not I send kingsbane, but if they do I'll wait out whatever they used and then send it

[dark kernel]

I've noticed this to. People think deathmark does damage which is funny.

[outer sky]

Hey can anyone send me an omnibar profile

To import

My main account got banned for a week so im playing my wife's in the meantime but she has no addons

[dark kernel]

Sorry hombre me no use omnibar

[gleaming sentinel]

lol what happened?

[outer sky]

I not so politely asked someone how they still dont know how to play Warsong Gulch after 21 years of it being in the game

[gleaming sentinel]

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Ly-nuKVf3Fc

AWC open bracket link

if you guys wants

and then some people are directly streaming their games on twitch too

[dark kernel]

I have a question since your here

When you play Assa in real 3s how aggro are you with your first vanishes and re applying imo garrote after your initial opener

[jaunty osprey]

uhhh

depends on if i can kidney/blind the enemy healer

[hazy monolith]

thats a first xd

[sharp sierra]

That’s the neat part about rogue PvP, there’s about 40 ways you could use it and each way could either be gigabrain or gigawaste

[long shore]

anyone here still playing Sub?

miserable experience with ret /war in the lobby

[pliant lintel]

yes

only 3s though sub is trash in shuffle

[spring bough]

Is that pirate talk

Or gunslinger outlaw talk

[stoic spruce]

Weird FF14 npc lol

[outer sky]

LOL Sub in shuffle

good luck

[spring bough]

I tried one round this season as sub and logged off and never did it again

[gusty hedge]

starting to feel good now, took way too long tho

[vocal surge]

Aye

[spring bough]

Wait till u get over 100 and level 50 verse DH pumping more 😂

[dark kernel]

Sub must be doing okay because the Perma rival drug addict in my server is 2400 in shuffle and he's been hard stuck for years

Oh NVM that was sin LMAO

[outer sky]

the funny thing is 100% of people in this channel feel this meme

[pliant lintel]

or not being dispelled on dance/blades

[outer sky]

I can legut gauge healer quality by how high they prio my dispels

[pliant lintel]

people not pressing dispel on 2.4/2.5mmr should be insta banned

[spring bough]

Sitting in a full poly or hex. Or people not interrupting shamans cast stun

[outer sky]

like right now im queueing a shuffle on the rogue i made on my wife's account and this is my healer

so this aint gunna go well

[pliant lintel]

/ping [@player]
/i ++DISPEL ME!++

this is my new favourite macro

[glass hazel]

so true if healers dont dispell rogues its 2 vs 3, since we are perma cced

[gleaming sentinel]

I have 60% wr on sub

(I am only 2100)

[glass hazel]

my favorite ones stun\disarm\sheep\cyclone after getting out of stealth -_-

[outer sky]

phew okay I managed to 4-2. Got 1 win with the hpal who went 1-5

[jaunty mirage]

Messing around on my uhdk last night and had a lobby with a ret/fdk/mm hunter and they all trained me every round it was utterly bizarre

[glass hazel]

why are you surprised? dk almost every time is kill target

[jaunty mirage]

Uhdk? Gotta be like bottom 3 dps targets

Esp in a lobby with an mm hunter

Even fdk is a better target in that lobby

[pliant lintel]

ye dk is hard to kill

well a good one is

[jaunty mirage]

Fdk is squishier as well but I mean even the ret is prob better

When the hunter was on my team we just killed the ret

Both times we swapped dps I asked them what they were doing

[dark kernel]

Super easy to merc DK in opener

[jaunty mirage]

I went 6-0 man idk didn’t seem like the play

First two rounds I had the mm and they literally just let him tee off

[outer sky]

DK became harder to kill when I switched to this envenom/kingsbane build because now their stupid AMS actually does something against me

[dark kernel]

Yeah against that team it's bad. But MM/unholy right now is a super meta S tier comp

uH just does so much damage and peeling for the MM makes it super tilting. Lots of people playing that for glad.

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah I could see it

[outer sky]

But DKs definitely seem easier to kill than a lot of shit

[dark kernel]

I'm playing thug cleave which is like a soft counter

[outer sky]

they always, ALWAYS IBF offensively

even the high rated ones

[dark kernel]

Yeah you disarm the IBF and bomb KS

[gleaming sentinel]

I feel like unholy pretty good against assa in general now yea

[outer sky]

youre disarming a UDK?

[jaunty mirage]

I hold my ibf forever

[outer sky]

theyll just coil through it

i dont even take it vs them

[dark kernel]

They can't Deathstrike though

Or their other damage

[outer sky]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

idk that sounds sus

[dark kernel]

I'll have to ask someone more experienfed

It's worked out so far.

[jaunty mirage]

I’ll take disarm for like one round vs dks but they usually figure it out beyond that

You can catch them by surprise like one time

[outer sky]

thats like one of those things like "if you disarm a WW they cant fist of fury parry" like yeah okay but how much value is that really

id rather have system shock

[dark kernel]

I'm outlaw not sin tho

[jaunty mirage]

I only do it when I’m planning on trying to all in the dk with a burst spec partner

[dark kernel]

DKs aren't rets they don't have that much damage disarmed

Like other than coil and chains of ice what can they use?

[outer sky]

"Other than coil"

[jaunty mirage]

Epidemic and just dots

It’s occasionally worth taking once if the dk is being super aggro

Otherwise I’d rather just run something else and probably kill their partner anyway

[outer sky]

idk i'll need to ask someone but im pretty sure disarm vs UDK aint great

i know its really good vs frost though

[dark kernel]

I haven't touched DK in a decade is cool actual damage now

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah fdk and uhdk are two different classes

[dark kernel]

Like idk

I always thought necrotic strike was damage

[jaunty mirage]

They changed it

Necrotic strike isn’t thing anymore

Necrotic wounds gets auto applied

[long shore]

hey bro, do you still do shadowstrike -> evis opener ?

[dark kernel]

That is still the opener as Sub yes

[pliant lintel]

erm honestly it's situational depending on what my comp and what I'm playing against, sometimes it's more beneficial to get a sap on anything and cheap other two

or cheap 3 if playing with lock/hunter/mage etc

vs rets i like to sap pala in opener and cheap and let team follow up on healer so he can't sanc

or i blind off my cheap

[long shore]

Ya I realize having a good opener with stuns is better than going full send with strike-evis.

At most I can just double symbols to proc darkest night.

Getting good opener helps with momentum

In shuffle I have so many scuffed openers 😂

[pliant lintel]

it's very hard to get good opener in shuffle though tbf

[long shore]

Ya I feel like with sap and blind we can force alot in opener

So don't like to strike - evis and get peeled

And then enemy team sends their go now

[pliant lintel]

yea you really just want to get a trinket in the opener and work off that

but don't over commit

people also trinket air

win on like 3/4th go

[long shore]

Ya sometimes if they pop like pain supp or roar of sac I can hold blades

Then send it next go and force even more CDs

[pliant lintel]

ill alwasy blades opener

[long shore]

You running the 30% shadow damage after blades or the symbols - Evis damage talent ?

[pliant lintel]

can spread rupture fast and get's it on CD

[pliant lintel]

ye

[long shore]

I usually blades opener too

Are you running replicating shadows ?

Feels like just pad damage that talent

Been so used to gloomblade now

[pliant lintel]

nahh i play gloomblade

[long shore]

Gloom is so good killing totems

Shadow focus + gloomblade ?

[pliant lintel]

goes through bop too

[long shore]

And 25s symbols talent ?

[long shore]

Oh yes this too. It's big for building points and applying find weakness haha

I also run shiv.

Against mages and mm hunters shiv is so good

Think shiv is just good overall got catching up

[pliant lintel]

ye

drop nimble fingers for shiv

[long shore]

And then the big slow crippling poison talent.

Ya big slow crippling + shiv

Feels great in shuffle

Especially when the range start kiting it helps alot

Goal is to try get 2400 as sub in shuffle

Came close at 2380 then got destroyed by a 6-0 warrior

[pliant lintel]

that's what i play 90% of the time

and obviously if i don't need disarm i pick up tricks

[long shore]

Oh nice. No shiv for you?

Guess it's a preference thing

[pliant lintel]

ye

depends what i paly into

shiv's also nice into other rogues

[long shore]

Oh yes

It's great Vs Mm

They disengage and I step shiv

Beautiful

They just start choking

By then usually crippling will reapply

Ok I got to sleep now. Shall continue the shuffle grind tmr

[outer sky]

my win/loss ratio on this rogue is really good

[pliant lintel]

yea man that's sick considering it was a freash char

[outer sky]

my 1st lobby was a 5-1 at 708 ilvl lol

This mage was amazed. The bracket I loaded into in my 1st lobby was the bracket he usually plays at which means he had never seen someone who actually knew how to play the game before

Also for anyone wondering, this toon has been my guinea pig for testing fatebound assa without 4 set and it feels way better

[pliant lintel]

i'm tempted to make another rogue and play some assa

you can coach me!

[outer sky]

I have 3 rogues on my main account and 1 on my wife's account

as soon as conq uncaps im getting rid of my 4 set on all 3 of them

on main

[pliant lintel]

yea i'd imagine it's annoying having KB offset from trinket etc

[outer sky]

it is

youre taking shittier stats to water down your go

[pliant lintel]

would you run engi helm then if you play 2 set for the mastery because tier set doesn't have vers

[dark kernel]

It's been known for a while that 4set for fatebound does absolutely nothing. Im not even going to use it on outlaw

[pliant lintel]

or just run pvp head

[outer sky]

yes engi helm and engi wrists

[pliant lintel]

kk makes sense

ill make another rogue tomorrow

we assa main now

[outer sky]

5-1 in a triple pally lobby imagine how bad they have to be

my time is coming. I'm 40-14 lol

and I swear every one of those 14 losses I got trolled

and im still in honor gear

see like I just lost this round because my healer did nothing

[pliant lintel]

he was too busy trying to get his mind blast off probably

forgot he had ps & dome

[languid ravine]

-"wow everyone in this lobb sucks ez 6-0 for me"
-garbage marksman hunter oneshots everyone in this lobby

fungame

[outer sky]

another won lobby man im on fire

that 3-3 is such an eye sore

also just realizzed 7/10 of my lobbies have had a disc priest

[pliant lintel]

i guess it's quite easy to bully a disc as assa though

[outer sky]

my wife is horrible at wow lol people are gunna see her rating and W/L ratio and wonder wtf

[pliant lintel]

she gonna get reported for rmt fr hahaha

conquest is un capped next week?

[outer sky]

Think so yeah

[pliant lintel]

alright might jsut wait and turn one of my sub rogues into assa

[outer sky]

The gear should be identical

Same stats and trinket

[pliant lintel]

yea i could run 4 set assa tbf

[outer sky]

Most people are

[verbal field]

is a conquest back or reshii wraps better?

[outer sky]

reshii

[languid ravine]

Marksman is so disgusting this guy is oneshotting a guy every round its not a fluke

[outer sky]

i just queued a skirm and this happened to my teammate

[languid ravine]

I pressed sac on my teammate + 20% wall + 8mil barrier and died in 1 and a half seconds in the opener

how is this a thing

[outer sky]

oh youre a pally

sorry

no sympathy

git gud

[languid ravine]

16% vers

you think other classes lvie longer kek

[runic laurel]

Ur teammate has under 9m hp they’re supposed to get oneshot

[molten hedge]

Ye ur right coil is main thing. Which pops wounds as well. So they can hit a coil, burst a wound which also triggers necrotic wounds.

[outer sky]

how many lobbies do y'all think I can go before I lose one?

[outer sky]

Yeah i thought so. they can do everything they need to do

[molten hedge]

Ya can’t death strike but coils all you need. And you can do other stuff as well. Your pet uses claw to put up wounds too so you basically always have wounds to pop