the bug is
#pvp
gilded gulch
i had 0 clue what i was doing i just drank 15 lightblood elixirs
and pressed brutal slash
hidden moth
duno what any of that is
gilded gulch
idk how people miss peak expansion
and come back in shitty ones though
maybe they patched it
ik people who arent trying because they dont want risking a suspension
hidden moth
I was like 15
Gma sold the pc
To get everyone Christmas shit
Or sum
Meanwhile I’m like
Muh pc
Rather not have gotten shit for Christmas but kept the family computer than lost it
river pollen
Seems to happen on mage tower in ashran too, hunter pushed me off the roof, pressed shadowstep and spawned on the road underneath
this tower
gilded gulch
well they did say they didnt intend for it to be on remix
so either they give everyone the skins or they take it off people
i imagine
stoic spruce
They'll take it off
grave basin
Expected really
hidden moth
“It’s old and prestigious” so is t3 and I can get that for 10 mil gold
hidden moth
2.5 m is free tbh
stoic spruce
The unholy one is the only one I miss
gilded gulch
idr what that one looked like
stoic spruce
hidden moth
well i got this
grave basin
Tfw I was 15 and couldn't get it
grave basin
Yea
grave basin
Bug do be bugging
hidden moth
true
stoic spruce
I can't imagine the amount of people who had no interest in druid, has never played druid, and will never play druid, made a druid for forms they'll never use.
That's gotta be most people
gilded gulch
i had sparkle cat
hidden moth
gilded gulch
and probably have sub 5h played on feral
hidden moth
I can't imagine the amount of people who had no interest in druid, has never pla...
i at least hit 1800 on mine and play resto in pve lolol
gilded gulch
i still dont have the other 3 colors of it
hidden moth
8i got all 4 colors of bear
stoic spruce
I had it for outlaw, unholy, and blood. I had to get a new account since it was on my dad's though 
Now I gots nuthin
gilded gulch
yall having parents that play games is neat
meanwhile mine are like
"adults dont play video games"
stoic spruce
Do they just stare at walls?
gilded gulch
tv
stoic spruce
That's wild
gilded gulch
i think my funniest elite grind was stll
dh war
my dh never pvped before yet we still won most games in first min
stoic spruce
Smh
river pollen
are reshii wraps still good, since now their ilvl is same as conq gear
glass hazel
good, they proc some damage as well
wet crown
I couldn't get it to proc on me :c
dark moon
yall having parents that play games is neat
You can be the cool parent that plays video games for your children, so don't lose hope
dark moon
That's neat! Mine said games are stupid and was always mocking me for playing
Now guess who's ignoring his messages and calls.
Kaboom
wet crown
Yeah, fortunately my dad was always the cool parent. Not a gamer though. Weird because his adhd ass would probably love it.
halcyon timber
Yeah, fortunately my dad was always the cool parent. Not a gamer though. Weird b...
Same with my dad, always got us kids into games and didnt care as long as we kept learning. Rpgs and mmos helped learning to read and im glad my dad encouraged it instead of snuffing it.
stoic spruce
My whole family didn't think negatively towards video games
Hell my granny had an N64 and would let me run around as Diddy Kong
long shore
so as Sub, do we shadowstrike -> evis the opener?
Just seems like a super dumb way to open and get insta peeled
sap healer -> shadowstrike -> evis.
the enemy just pre use a defensive or ports or turns around and stuns me
hope im making sense here, cause i see all these openers on Youtube by Palumor and other rogues saying to do that cause 4 piece
wet crown
I only really do that against someone that isn't expecting it, personally
So you can milk the stun dr a bit more, but that's just me
pliant lintel
That’s not a bad thing you’ve just forced them to use mobility/utility before you’ve even commit any of your CD’s
You can strike cheap double symbols evis tech evis though
untold remnant
so as Sub, do we shadowstrike -> evis the opener?
Just seems like a super dumb ...
If you want to stop them from doing something:
Gouge (from stealth gives max CP) > Flagellation > Kidney Shot > Blades/Dance rotation
long shore
If you want to stop them from doing something:
Gouge (from stealth gives max CP...
Oh right I didn't think you've gives max CP with premed
long shore
That’s not a bad thing you’ve just forced them to use mobility/utility before yo...
Yeah I understand. But it just wastes the sap duration on the healer doing this. Like get insta peeled and now the enemy team has momentum and the opener instead
So just trying to understand why not just open with a cheap shot or gouge - kidney and get momentum going
If I do it to a lock he insta ports away. And then coils me, and starts casting fear or bolt
Putting us defensive right away
If I do it to a warrior he bladestorms or a hunter who feigns death and disengage
So many ways our opponent can react when we do Shadowstrike - rupture as opener
Playing at 2200 MMR and people do react when they see a rogue open without stuns
pliant lintel
you're never going to 100-0 anybody in the opener as sub unless it's like sub 2k mmr, so if they use utility/defensives when you havent pressed anything you farm darkest night finalty etc then go when defensive finish or make a swap
long shore
you're never going to 100-0 anybody in the opener as sub unless it's like sub 2k...
Oh okay. So whole point is to farm darkest night finality, and bait out defensives did I get it right?
pliant lintel
ye
long shore
What if halfway through the match I lost track of my deathstalker stacks. Or it resets when they bubble for example.
Can I just kidney and send the go ?
pliant lintel
if you watch whaazz stream sub you'll quite often see him send a piss go in the opener to bait cooldowns then his '2nd' go he's usually commiting everything
he'll generally send blades in the opener to get darkest night faster
long shore
he'll generally send blades in the opener to get darkest night faster
I don't understand how.
Blades on opener or blades on 2nd go?
Because blades opener with the piss go, means high chance he is getting peeled no?
pliant lintel
nahh blades to open because it makes your combo point generating ability give max combo points, so he can farm marks fast
glass hazel
you will get cced anyway once you press them haha
long shore
So I pop every cooldown in the opener.
Get CCed. Disarmed.
Enemy uses defensive / runs away cause I didn't stun first global.
Next go I pop dance and full send with no blades ?
Or I do a fake open without stunning.
pliant lintel
blades lasts 16 sec's + you have the lingering darkness hero talent that increases shadow damage by 30% for 30 secs when blades expiries
long shore
blades lasts 16 sec's + you have the lingering darkness hero talent that increas...
Oh I'm running the symbols Evis damage one. Should I change it ?
pliant lintel
yea
open thunder
where is notrickz, why is he never here !
long shore
Ok so I do a fake open.
If they pop defensive I don't use anything
If they are slow I full send ?
potent pivot
where is notrickz, why is he never here !
potent pivot
open thunder
glass hazel
how fast is remix leveling?
hidden moth
see we got this chud in the disc yet we mute my boy @stoic spruce
novel karma
Oh nice, pvp gear scaled with the new patch
stoic spruce
If you can't flex your prowess with a spec in all endgame content, you're just not goated 
novel karma
Didn't do pvp in s2
novel karma
I don't remember them expanding ilvl before undermine
stoic spruce
I really hope they did because it'd drive a wrench in everything I'm saying
novel karma
I wonder if ilvl boost favors specs like outlaw since you got more survivability and games can take longer into dampening
Or the burst keeps up
harsh kiln
I wonder if ilvl boost favors specs like outlaw since you got more survivability...
yes
the better the gear, the longer you live and the more damage you do
livid yew
do i cast thistle tea at all or just let it auto cast?
potent pivot
do i cast thistle tea at all or just let it auto cast?
ye you cast it
livid yew
sub/ass
potent pivot
for assa its fine to put it on shiv
for sub you can but if you dance for cc it'll consume it too
livid yew
for sub you can but if you dance for cc it'll consume it too
becoz i will lack energy?
potent pivot
no i'm saying if you macro it
as sub sometimes you dance specifically for CC
and it'll consume the tea if you macro it to dance
but if you're not pressing tea on its own may as well
potent pivot
for 2s/3s your team mates should let you get a sap off
for shuffle sometimes you sprint because randoms don't let you get a chance to sap lol
just depends
livid yew
oh i see
lone jasper
Hey, how does it feel sub on remix?
gusty hedge
hell yeah
gonna finish doing my undead rogue once im off Work
Also For those playing remix
Warband skill everything all at once grants you 15k + bronze and unlocks alot of the misc bs if you've done it before
hollow flax
Sorry i'm new to pvp, and to wow in general. started at TWW and want to learn pvp now ! Idk about pvp stuff, if i get myth item pve its like i've a pvp gear or pvp gear is better ? And if i've like 730 myth pve head with gems that work in pvp too ? i've see other way to get gems slot in pvp but its just the way to get it right ? If i've head pve with gem got in with tokken in vault this will work in pvp ?
dark moon
cant even log in
hollow flax
I mainly talk about sets gear and gems slots, because i've see lot of pvp gear except sets got way more versa, just sets gear looks same pve or pvp
static holly
I hate Leveling... Mop remix wasn't mine and legion is the same nightmare 😭
potent pivot
Sorry i'm new to pvp, and to wow in general. started at TWW and want to learn pv...
The gems will work yes and the pve gear is fine if max ilvl. The important thing is the stats on the pve gear.
potent pivot
I mainly talk about sets gear and gems slots, because i've see lot of pvp gear e...
You want to be using the proper stats for your spec, which are a bit different in pvp than pve. Depending on the spec you’re playing
hollow flax
Ok thanks ! I'm playin sub because its the spec i enjoy more in pve content, and i've switch all gear into pvp gear except head gloves and legs i got in myth and the shoulders of loomi because give me masteries main stats and versa, looks better than pvp shoulders
potent pivot
Ok thanks ! I'm playin sub because its the spec i enjoy more in pve content, and...
You want to be using 4set, and if the 4set is max ilvl pve that’s fine because the stats are the same no matter what. I’m not sure what shoulders you’re talking about
hollow flax
ye i've buy chest pvp gear and turn it to 4set because i've it only in hero
this one
with ilvl boost of the patch today i'm fuck up for pvp but in 1 more week will be fine xd
potent pivot
ye i've buy chest pvp gear and turn it to 4set because i've it only in hero
Ok that’s good. Those shoulders are lower ilvl than pvp shoulders though no?
hollow flax
its the same as pvp i can up to 730 just d'ont have crest atm
long shore
damage doesnt matter bois, my first 6-0 this season as Sub rogue. the disc priest almost did more than i did
potent pivot
its the same as pvp i can up to 730 just d'ont have crest atm
Pvp gear scales to max ilvl when you enter pvp combat
So just make sure you upgrade or replace them later
But those are fine once you upgrade to max ye
hollow flax
ye i got all fine before ilvl boost of today but now i've like 1 week without 730 becasue of crest cap, in 1 week will be fine
potent pivot
Can you show me all your gear?
I can try to point out anything that may need fixing
potent pivot
ye i got all fine before ilvl boost of today but now i've like 1 week without 73...
Ye that’s fine
Like idk if you’re using good jewelry, embellishments, etc, without seeing it
hollow flax
i got good embellishment but dont have gem slot atm on pvp gear
potent pivot
You got focusing lens x2?
hollow flax
potent pivot
And yea gems are kinda w/e, they’re very small
hollow flax
got this and i've now 7 ilvl behind on head shoulder legs and gloves because of ilvl boost
potent pivot
Yeah this looks mostly fine
long shore
damage doesnt matter bois, my first 6-0 this season as Sub rogue. the disc pries...
@pliant lintel ty for the tips jacko, it helped alot. i just do bait go in opener, and they end up using stuff to peel air.
then ill blind or kidney healer, and send the real go
potent pivot
If you can’t upgrade the lower ilvl items
Just try to buy them as pvp items instead whenever you get more conquest etc
But ye ur fine for the most part
hollow flax
ok thanks ! and if gem from pve gear works in pvp i will take one gem slot in vault and put one on head and upgrade head to 730 i think
idk about boots if i buy one 720 with blood money or craft one because blood money give haste / versa
potent pivot
idk about boots if i buy one 720 with blood money or craft one because blood mon...
Craft ye
Buying bloody token boots prolly won’t make a difference
hollow flax
ok thanks a lot ! will check for it
potent pivot
Np
hollow flax
and btw did u've mandatory addons or wa for pvp ? I take gladius but not sure if its correctly configured and idk there's differents gladius addons
potent pivot
and btw did u've mandatory addons or wa for pvp ? I take gladius but not sure if...
There’s a list in the pins of this channel
pliant lintel
<@368485382817579008> ty for the tips jacko, it helped alot. i just do bait go i...
yep no problem mate, sub just needs to work through CD's
potent pivot
Get the exact gladius on the list
long shore
just a quick question:
if i have deathstalker mark on target A,
and then shadowstrike target B, will the deathstalker mark be transferred over or start from 3 stacks again?
potent pivot
Gladius (bicmex version) iirc
potent pivot
just a quick question:
if i have deathstalker mark on target A,
and then shad...
Yes and yes
hollow flax
Gladius (bicmex version) iirc
ok nice thanks !
long shore
Yes and yes
I realize if the deathstalker mark is on Target A, finishers on Target B doesnt reduce the stacks on A
pliant lintel
no you have to clear marks before swapping, but don't think too much of it because we have 4 set now it's quite easy to clear marks fast
at the same time don't think you can't swap because marks not on target you have a team mate so if you can set them up to do a clean go that's more beneficial then cleaning marks etc
if that makes sense
long shore
no you have to clear marks before swapping, but don't think too much of it becau...
ok so basically if Target A pops a defensive (marks are on him),
i can just swap with my Dance on Target B and send Shadowstrike -> Evis -> Cheapshot and spend my marks on Target B right?
long shore
at the same time don't think you can't swap because marks not on target you have...
yes agreed, tbh i dont pay that much attention to Deathstalker stacks
i just try to do clean goes, and pop symbols for the Darkest Night buff
had a few kills where i land the killing blow with Darkest Night
pliant lintel
i don't know how much experience you have so i apologise if im telling you to suck eggs but when things are on Stun DR you just go into 'maintenance' where you farm back dance charges, apply rupture to everything and farm a darkest night before stun DR's come back up
that way you are not tied down to go on target x because they have marks
long shore
i don't know how much experience you have so i apologise if im telling you to su...
yes that makes sense. i usually just apply rupture, stay alive
however, should i be holding on to darkest night buff?
lets say my next go is 20s away
i thought using evis would be good for reducing the CD of dance, so we dont end up DanceCharge starved
pliant lintel
If you’re 20sec away I’d send it because you can build it back or just line it up in your next go with symbols and tech
If you hold it your pressure drops off
if you're kiting you can cancel aura slice and dice and reapply slice to farm back dance charges
vocal surge
if you're kiting you can cancel aura slice and dice and reapply slice to farm ba...
Cancelaura S&D
/cancelaura Slice and Dice
/cast Slice and Dice```^ this
long shore
i dont understand, why do we need to cancelaura Slice and Dice when kiting?
harsh kiln
to spam snd
vocal surge
Cooldown Reduction
harsh kiln
guess it depends what spec
vocal surge
Sub for Shadow Dance
Outlaw for ALL cooldowns
Takes prio over holding for Dispatch when unable to cast BTE and unable to do anything melee
hidden moth
No need to have snd even near your bars as assa though
stoic spruce
That's weird
stoic spruce
That's really weird
stoic spruce
No evisc?
hidden moth
Bc most energy regen is tied to when evenom ends
stoic spruce
Yeah
hidden moth
That’s replaced by envenom
stoic spruce
What???
stoic spruce
Dang idr that
hidden moth
Assa hasn’t had evis since like df
stoic spruce
So you have bleeds that just tickle?
hidden moth
To 4
stoic spruce
Isn't assa the bleed spec?
hidden moth
And has reduced gains beyond 1 target
hidden moth
Isn't assa the bleed spec?
Oh and crimson tempest isn’t a bleed anymore
stoic spruce
Wtf
hidden moth
It’s 60 energy cost fan of knives that spreads your gar+ rupt to 2 targets
stoic spruce
When you say bleed spec to anybody in the game, they say assa
What is this perversion of assa?
hidden moth
Or feral
Uhhh
Low energy regen
Spam envenom as much as possible without letting buff drop then let energy pool back up to like 200 250+
Start envenom spam all over again
Maintain gar and rupt
That’s rotation
Death mark doesn’t even duplicate rupt and gar anymore
Aoe silence gone anything that gave a buff to coming out of stealth gone
stoic spruce
That's wild
hidden moth
The kings bane stuff is cool
Bc of the doing poison adds a stack up to 50 20% kb dot dam per stack
Talent below it “every 5 stacks gives u 2% haste” decaying by 2% every 2 seconds or sum
Then the apex talents make it so when u kb u do basically killing spree
potent pivot
Isn't assa the bleed spec?
It’s the envenom spec
stoic spruce
This kinda blows ngl
How did Outlaw manage to be top dog in all these revamps?
For rogue anyway
gleaming sentinel
How did Outlaw manage to be top dog in all these revamps?
We’re so back?
gleaming sentinel
I love outlaw bro, honestly your basic tips I haven’t lost a lobby since
long shore
Do you guys ever get double sub rogue lobbies. Is that the most aids thing ever? 😭
gleaming sentinel
what were the tips ? xD
I just realized I wasn’t cc’ing enough
And used crack shot for dmg
My only beef with outlaw is it’s hard to carry my bad friends in 2s, I like to help guildies get 1800
Vs sin I can just fatebound 1 shot everything super quic
harsh kiln
i am alos getting carried by a voidreaver
yeah fair enough
i wouldnt say i'm better but i mostly dont play with new healers
gouge killtarget, stun offtarget, stun killtarget
and send damage when you have vanish
gleaming sentinel
They pay for my consumables help them get xmog it’s a fun gameplay loop each season
harsh kiln
haha that sounds fun tbh
harsh kiln
My only beef with outlaw is it’s hard to carry my bad friends in 2s, I like to h...
oh and vs voidreavers you pretty much sit healer all game, stop mindblasts at all costs, make the game not fun to play for them
gleaming sentinel
Yea all that sounds about what I do
harsh kiln
except vs disc/warlock, that's just autolose
gleaming sentinel
Voidweaver demo is cancer
languid ravine
its the same as pvp i can up to 730 just d'ont have crest atm
brutha I have the exact same two issues, no crests and my pvp gear is nerfed
thats what you get for using your crests designed to upgrade your gear to upgrade your gear
its so fucking dumb I made my character relatively weaker by upgrading my gear
spring bough
How did Outlaw manage to be top dog in all these revamps?
Outlaw supremacy
gleaming sentinel
Outlaw supremacy
I made an aff lock for remix and I already regret not going rogue. I’m gonna do outlaw incase they release the mage tower weapons. I want those swords
lol
spring bough
I made an aff lock for remix and I already regret not going rogue. I’m gonna do ...
That ???? Surprise last week is gonna be MT
Calling it now
Been calling it. I’m just delusional tho probably
gleaming sentinel
That ???? Surprise last week is gonna be MT
well the fact that the werebear thing is going on makes me think they are testing the waters
or something
dark kernel
Wait what happened
potent pivot
Wait what happened
People are getting the feral and bear legion MT forms
dark kernel
I saw that and I was playing a druid anyway but didn't get shit
High key I'm being deadass fr
The legion mage tower artifacts mostly suck ass
potent pivot
Have you done the mt on Druid?
dark kernel
Nah
potent pivot
That’d be why
potent pivot
At least that’s what I’ve understood of it
dark kernel
But even the rogue MT weapons are kinda ass
potent pivot
Nah you crazy for dat one
dark kernel
People will learn that exclusivity is the flavor that makes them special
gleaming sentinel
the outlaw ones are so good
dark kernel
There's literally 3 other color variations of the rapier
gleaming sentinel
People will learn that exclusivity is the flavor that makes them special
💯
the feldrake immediately became less cool when it was a twitch drop
dark kernel
I've said it time and time again they become dead pixels when people have them
Full stop
And I have a rogue from vanilla with the TBC intro tabard and rare titles
potent pivot
People will learn that exclusivity is the flavor that makes them special
I just like the design of the assa daggers
Best daggers in the game
dark kernel
The glowy ghosty ones
potent pivot
Don’t care about exclusivity at all
potent pivot
Yeah idc for those really
The assa daggers and glorious tyranny
Are the only things that I think are pretty sick
Regardless of fomo
molten hedge
Best daggers in the game
What are they called
stoic spruce
There's literally 3 other color variations of the rapier
The outlaw rapier isn't even in the top 3 rapiers in the game
languid ravine
anybody know PvP discords or communities to find people for 3s?
dark kernel
The outlaw rapier isn't even in the top 3 rapiers in the game
I know
dark kernel
anybody know PvP discords or communities to find people for 3s?
There's the worldofpvp reddit discord but I've literally never seen someone actually play with a person theee
spring bough
34/568 on legion remix 😭
stoic spruce
Wdym
spring bough
All the achieves and mogs and mounts you can get lol
stoic spruce
Oh
dark kernel
Dude it lasts over 3 months you don't got to rush
spring bough
Completionism website tracks it
dark kernel
I half-assed missed and I still got everything
stoic spruce
I got all the mogs from legion on my dk and rogue
Idek why I did it on my rogue
Legion rogue sets kinda blow
dark kernel
It's so funny the legion is considered like one of the greatest expansions. Because I legit played it two weeks and was so pissed off I quit
stoic spruce
I just made an outlaw actually
gleaming sentinel
The outlaw rapier isn't even in the top 3 rapiers in the game
what are top 3 rapiers, link for a friend
dark kernel
I hated rogue legion design after wod and mop so much
dark kernel
what are top 3 rapiers, link for a friend
2 were from plunderstorm
There's a purple/grey tint and a green/white
stoic spruce
Proudmore from bfa so theres 4 already, the venthyr rapiers, and there's another I'm blanking on. Not from plunderstorm.
dark kernel
Also a red/gold inthink
languid ravine
It's so funny the legion is considered like one of the greatest expansions. Beca...
its my favourite expansion ever until Tomb of Sargeras it started to feel generic
stoic spruce
Plunderstorm rapiers are better tho
languid ravine
and now every second patch feels like Tomb of Sargeras just put a fkn Island with weeklys on it
stoic spruce
Just not top 3
languid ravine
call it a day
dark kernel
its my favourite expansion ever until Tomb of Sargeras it started to feel generi...
I get people loving it and I wish I stuck with it, but the spec changes were just insane. Also the treadmill of weapons really grinded on me
keen canopy
plunderstorm rapiers are trash
only good rapiers in the game are the mage tower ones
stoic spruce
Does being a contrarian get you off or something?
keen canopy
i mean i'm just saying the plunderstorm rapiers would be fine but the feathers are just so large
they don't fit in a lot of transmogs
keen canopy
i mean yeah i guess i would say they're the best rapiers (that arent the mage tower ones)
but that's just because there arent a lot of rapiers
stoic spruce
You lost me
languid ravine
my fav are the shadowlands rapier with the Batshaped Basket hilt
stoic spruce
Yeah those are sick
keen canopy
yeah i like those but i can never get them to really match the colors are always slightly off for me but maybe thats a skill issue idk
jaunty mirage
I get people loving it and I wish I stuck with it, but the spec changes were jus...
Think most of the people who love it are remembering it post-legendary grind changes
stoic spruce
Well
I mean at first people enjoyed the grind because it was new and exciting but overtime people became more neutral towards AP.
jaunty mirage
Yeah
jaunty mirage
SL was pretty good by the end, just like every other expansion
dark kernel
Time gated torghast
dark kernel
Yep
And the weeks with the 13 floor one
Like what the fuck
The scaling was also bonkers
To start
jaunty mirage
SL launch was only good because of the PvP weapon stuff and arena having crazy participation the first season
dark kernel
Yeah a LOT of people I know love SL because of covid boost
stoic spruce
It was good because we we weren't at the point we didn't run torghast 17,000 times.
But like week 4 came
And it turned sour because the novelty ran off
I remember having a blast the first 2 weeks
dark kernel
I liked the aesthetics
jaunty mirage
All the modern expacs look really good tbf
stoic spruce
Yeah they're killing it
jaunty mirage
The art team consistently gets it right
keen canopy
yeah that's true torghast was actually really good but the problem was the fact you had to do it like 20 trillion times
it's like they made something really good and thus wanted people to do it a lot but didnt realize that when they do it too much they start not liking it even though it's good
stoic spruce
yeah that's true torghast was actually really good but the problem was the fact ...
What happened was they started working on SL when Legion launched and they didn't get the strong negative feedback about AP grinds until it was too late.
All the work had been done
They knew at launch people wouldn't like it but credit where credit is due
SL S2 is my favorite season of Outlaw
It was super strong and was so low under the radar
God I'm old
long shore
anyone here uses the add-on called "Top Target", where it shows you who your teammate is targeting in shuffle especially?
dark kernel
Wish they'd tell us the release date so I can call off
It's 2/26/26
That's the tentative datamined date
stoic spruce
dark kernel
And that seems highly accurate because blizzard does early release dates on thursdays
stoic spruce
I mean an official release date
keen canopy
yeah but maybe it ends when prepatch comes out
dark kernel
Would make sense
stoic spruce
Last time it was like a week or 2 before
dark kernel
02/26 is like 6 months and 3 weeks from start of this patch, so it's likely a pretty safe place holder with breathing room
A week or 2 earlier could also be a good bet
stoic spruce
I actually need to hurry and get everything i need because brawlers guild is coming back in 2.7
I plan on maining that until midnight
gleaming sentinel
outlaw mog with the lean as you wait your turn in brawlers is a real vibe
/lean
grave basin
People's love for AP in Legion is why SL became the way it did.
massive lie lol
community was ADAMANT on stupid shit like locking us on one covenant
and conduit energy
and tieing player power with aesthetics of covenants
blizzard didnt listen to thousands of posts of feedback
and when they finally "pulled the ripcord" they were like yea youre all dumb but we're giving you what you want
gleaming sentinel
I liked SL, it was BFAs gearing system that sucked
grave basin
literally everyone was telling them that was a stpid idea but ok
ESPECIALLY player power with aestheics
people like preach talked directly to the devs and interviewed ion about it
keen canopy
yeah i mean i cant think of anybody who actually played the game who thought it was a good idea
like actually 0 people
grave basin
everyone knew if player power was tied to aesthetics people would be hard pressed to play the underpowered convenant just cause they like the aesthetics
but blizzard didnt listen
was like the most obvious shit known to man
i wanna be nightfae boomy JK you need to be venthyr cause it's blatantly broken for s1
i wanna be kyrian hpal NOPE hollwed ground was too good
novel karma
Content creators were against it, but for example a majority of my classic guild (yes they played sl for a bit) thought covenant separation was really cool and that it was only a hinderance to the sweatlords
And some more casual players on retail shared the same sentiment
grave basin
there is legimately zero good reason you can give me
zero
that makes sense
as to why locking you to one covenant in a video game is a good idea
keen canopy
idk everybody in my guild hated it
grave basin
especially with how unbalanced it was
and it had player power tied to it
so if blizzard randomly nuked your covenant spell youre fucked
gleaming sentinel
Content creators were against it, but for example a majority of my classic guild...
the thing is, you can be casual and pick whatever you want. but forcing people who push content to follow that suit is stupid
novel karma
I don't disagree with you, but there was a view that worrying about locking is a minmaxer issue and having a cool rpg choice was better gameplay
keen canopy
yeah it's not like appeasing the "sweatlords" would have ruined what the casuals liked
grave basin
but it wasnt better gameplay
who gives a fuck about what some world quester says honestly
coming from a rogue too since they nerfed our covenant spells literally every patch
novel karma
Turns out devs listen when there's a good amount of world questers, even if they are wrong
gleaming sentinel
I don't disagree with you, but there was a view that worrying about locking is a...
again, the rpg aspec doesnt leave if you're freely able to switch lol
just dont switch
grave basin
with their half assed appology
gleaming sentinel
i was gonna be a nightfae druid no matter what
novel karma
Just saying, there was much more support to covenant lock than you realise before ppl saw it put into practice
grave basin
brother i was there too
if you wanan lock yourself to a covenant go ahead
why are you forcing others to
like give me a good reason
novel karma
Meaningful choice :]
grave basin
meaningful choice only works if the covenants were balanced against one another
which they absolutely were not
there was only 1 choice
the most powerful choice
novel karma
Funilly enough it did not work when all covenants were balanced
grave basin
they were not even closed to balanced
novel karma
Like rogue had all 4 covenants within percentage margin
You still picked the 1% advantage
gleaming sentinel
theres a reason sl was one kf the biggest sub drop offs ever
grave basin
within a percentage margin?
did we play the same game
kyrian sub rogue in season one was the most broken shit in pvp for a whole week
before they nuked it
and guess what
now you cant switch
novel karma
(you could freely switch for one time)
grave basin
(you had to wait a week and redo the entire campaign)
and relevel all your conduits
and start from zero renown
and refarm your anima
yea ok
novel karma
But I was referring to rogue in pve as an example where all covenants were super close but ppl went for the barely higher simming choice anyway
grave basin
that is completely irrelevant though
if you were a boomy and not venthyr you werent getting invited
if you were hunter and not wild spirits you arent geting invited
if you were dk and not slappy hands you are hard trolling
wtf does the night fae dk one even do? does anyone know?
gleaming sentinel
made death and decay cooler
grave basin
any1 play that shit in any content that mattered?
in the end they nerfed everyone down and by the end of SL we were all necro for the shield anyway
gleaming sentinel
i was a convoke moonkin enjoyer
novel karma
Kyrian outlaw go brrr
grave basin
i think a few specs still played thier actual covenant
but i played feral and ww and they were all necro
bone dust brew my beloved
novel karma
But yeah turns out when they unlocked all 4 covenants it was actually fun to play with 4 different abilities instead of one
Who would've thought
novel karma
Ye
grave basin
novel karma
Evil minmaxers were correct 
spring bough
Sick
grave basin
i got it natty, im better
take your meds grampa
gleaming sentinel
just give old accounts a title and release the xmogs
"mage tower enjoyer" or whatever
wet crown
I dislike the fact that SL remix is probably next
gleaming sentinel
imagine you cna get torghast powers but all the time though
just running around as a convoke moonkin with a 10second cd on it
vocal surge
I haven't touched or looked at Remix yet
vocal surge
When does Conquest uncap?
grave basin
When does Conquest uncap?
week 11 iirc
vocal surge
How many weeks are we in now?
languid ravine
my delves are bugged, trashmobs dying to random chunks of like half their HP
pliant lintel
i had same bug, logged out for 15 mins fixed it
dark kernel
How many weeks are we in now?
Eight or nine
static holly
Remix is really boring for me
Hope it gets better with 80
At least I can practice outlaw
hidden moth
Eight or nine
Uhhh raid rep this week is what 9?
Yeah it’s week 9 this week
Of season
Gonna be week 11 when we get our first dinar piece
Week 14 for the 2nd and
We get our 3rd dinar item on week 17 of the season
vocal surge
21st of October conquest uncapped eyyyy
static holly
With legion around it will maybe hard
outer sky
I dislike the fact that SL remix is probably next
Bfa?
wet crown
Bfa?
IDK
I feel like after mop and legion the content density dropped a lot
SL is dog but it does have a lot of covenant cosmetic swag
jolly sierra
nah, all those xps are awful
they will do tbc remix tho
or lk remix
they wont risk themselves with bad xps
wet crown
I hope so
thats what I want
imagine they do tbc remix and they release HD versions of tbc sets
jolly sierra
hope so, that would be hype
hidden moth
Tbc remix 4 months after tbc fresh
What bout.clasic 1-60 remix
With old world in retail with shit that was removed with Cata launch
Have it reward t3 In updated graphics etc like they did t2
Could also have it give Warcraft 1-3 inspired stuff. For mounts and other things
Give class specific mounts for doing the respective lvl 50 quests
stoic spruce
community was ADAMANT on stupid shit like locking us on one covenant
Yeah, by the time of SL announcement, like I said.
But when Legion launched, the general concensus was that AP grinds were good and blizz built off of that
stoic spruce
What happened was they started working on SL when Legion launched and they didn'...
.
hidden moth
But when Legion launched, the general concensus was that AP grinds were good and...
ap grinds?
stoic spruce
Artifact Power
outer sky
I feel like after mop and legion the content density dropped a lot
Figures lol because I came back to the game for the 1st time since Wrath in the last season of Legion. Of course the game would take a shit right after that lol
stoic spruce
And azerite power. Basically player power grinds
hidden moth
is todays awc games being streamed
potent pivot
is todays awc games being streamed
they always are afaik
vocal surge
is todays awc games being streamed
Venruki watches :3
Alright
What should I get before AWC
jolly sierra
What bout.clasic 1-60 remix
that would be a crazy good idea
they removed A LOT in cata
molten hedge
Does anyone here play assa boomie or is rly familiar with the comp?
spring bough
Venruki watches :3
I hope he doesn’t remember my character name from shuffles 😭
vocal surge
XD
jolly sierra
Does anyone here play assa boomie or is rly familiar with the comp?
anything in assa which isnt a healer in 2s usually doesnt ends so well tbh
you need the healer as assa
sharp sierra
Does anyone here play assa boomie or is rly familiar with the comp?
It’s extremely fun if your boomie is good but right after 1600 in 2s I stopped doing it. Like the other dude said without a healer it’s rough for sin
molten hedge
anything in assa which isnt a healer in 2s usually doesnt ends so well tbh
@sharp sierra Sorry I didn’t specificy it’s 3s I’m asking advice for as boomie assa lol. Healer is a voidweaver. Priest is my healers best class
So I’ll ask again clearer haha. Anyone play assa boomie x in 3s to glad or so and can answer some questions?
gleaming sentinel
I’m just wondering the more I look at alpha, how is outlaw not gonna just get run down?
spring bough
I’m just wondering the more I look at alpha, how is outlaw not gonna just get ru...
It’ll be fine somehow it’ll work out okay
wet crown
since this is the remix channel now I guess, are we feeling dh or paladin for the brainless alt to play when my rogue gets stuck in limbo
devout meadow
Does anyone know if using one of these Conqueror's Astral Lacquer or Varnish to add PVP ilevels to a PVE tier piece unlocks the related conquest transmog appearance?
spring bough
2 charges of blur and a better seasoned winds
Wait wait that new talent gives an additional charge?!?!?
jolly sierra
Does anyone know if using one of these Conqueror's Astral Lacquer or Varnish to ...
no, the pvp tier have nm skin i recall
devout meadow
fuck
molten hedge
Wait wait that new talent gives an additional charge?!?!?
Yuppppp
Basically they’ll have blur every other DR 😂
outer sky
ugh guys, I'm so split. I absolutely cannot decide which of these 2 talents I like better. On one hand sometimes It feels good having the "longer" go with inevitable end, but also sometimes those envenoms dont even hit that hard. On the other hand, I sometimes really like having the instant burst, total control over my damage wuth Destiny Defined and Cold Blooding Kingsbane. But then I run out of gas in one global. Another benefit to Destiny Defined is that the damage is front loaded which means after I CC the healer or kidney>bomb someone it's just 1 global (maybe 2 if i didnt shiv first) before the big damage hits which reduces the chance that my bomb or CC will fade before i've done the damage since i won't have to build combo points to an envenom after spending them on a kidney to make the damage happen. But again its a very all in build. They both have their benefits and I feel like every time I play one i at least sometimes find myself wishing I had played the other.
literally me rn
spring bough
i need the TLDR
livid yew
do i ever use slice and dice as ass rogue in arenas?
outer sky
do i ever use slice and dice as ass rogue in arenas?
no you can unbind it
outer sky
why is it not worth it?
You have a passive that gives you Slice and Dice when you envenom so it'll just proc itself. No need to spend combo points on pressing it
livid yew
ohhh!!!! thanks
potent pivot
and do i ever use crimson tempest in ST situations?
You use CT on 2 or more, including pets
It’s damage scales based on targets
livid yew
is crimson tempest just padding dmg to give heals pressure or does it do sth more?
potent pivot
It’s just more bleed damage
outer sky
i need the TLDR
TL;DR:
I'm torn between two Assassination Rogue playstyles — the longer sustained “Inevitable End” setup vs. the instant burst “Destiny Defined + Cold Blood Kingsbane” build.
Inevitable End: feels smoother over time but sometimes hits weakly.
Destiny Defined: gives huge front-loaded burst, great for CC chains (Kidney → Bomb → instant damage), but runs out of steam fast.
Basically:
➡️ Inevitable End = consistent pressure, longer fights.
➡️ Destiny Defined = explosive burst, all-in kills.
I like both but always ends up wishing I'd picked the other after each game.
livid yew
why does Hekili keep asking me to use CT on ST?
potent pivot
A lot of assa’s damage scales based on how many targets you have bled
livid yew
haha ok
potent pivot
That’s because they might do that in pve when talented into CT
spring bough
why does Hekili keep asking me to use CT on ST?
get ready to delete hekili for midnight lol
hidden moth
That’s because they might do that in pve when talented into CT
no
spring bough
TL;DR:
I'm torn between two Assassination Rogue playstyles — the longer sustaine...
inevitable end >>>>
hidden moth
assa never presses ct in single target for pve
long shore
TL;DR:
I'm torn between two Assassination Rogue playstyles — the longer sustaine...
ChatGPT summary? 😂
hidden moth
even when talented
potent pivot
assa never presses ct in single target for pve
That’s not true and not the point
livid yew
so theres two builds for ass rogues 😮 im running the cold blood one currently, my partner is a destro lock, is this the better build to play with him?
hidden moth
That’s not true and not the point
i never seen where whysper said thats a good idea nor do i see how its a damage buff
potent pivot
If the hekilli is telling him to press it in CT it’s because it’s coded to do so, but we don’t do that
hidden moth
just envenom
outer sky
Well, sometimes if I'm going to try and global someone, like I have every button besides deathmark, I'll throw a CT up on the target before I send the go even if it's just 1 target in order to help proc sudden demise in the go
potent pivot
i never seen where whysper said thats a good idea nor do i see how its a damage ...
It might not currently be the thing to do, but it 100% has been multiple times in the past
hidden moth
It might not currently be the thing to do, but it 100% has been multiple times i...
ah
livid yew
its crazy im in green pvp gear and is bursting 3.5m ST on dummies wtf
ass rogue is nuts
hidden moth
hasnt been a thing since ive played assa, but my "we never do that
was more so as a "we dont do that in this expac
potent pivot
its crazy im in green pvp gear and is bursting 3.5m ST on dummies wtf
Key word: dummies
Dummy damage doesn’t translate into damage on a player
outer sky
Anyone know how long the servers will be down for tonight?
livid yew
i mean i play all 12 classes, but not many class can do that dmg in green gear
potent pivot
was more so as a "we dont do that in this expac
I think we did in s1
gleaming pawn
its crazy im in green pvp gear and is bursting 3.5m ST on dummies wtf
Dummies don’t have vers to replicate pvp damage, and those dummies also aren’t trying to disrupt you or kill you
outer sky
i mean i play all 12 classes, but not many class can do that dmg in green gear
are you hitting multiple dummies? assa scales really well when it can cleave
hidden moth
I think we did in s1
i mained assa in s1 and dont remember us doign so
potent pivot
i mained assa in s1 and dont remember us doign so
In m+
hidden moth
And we did in SL
sl not significant
potent pivot
You could CT in ST
hidden moth
Renewing Blaze has been redesigned – Now upgrades Obsidian Scales, causing it to heal you over 8 seconds equal to the amount of damage it reduced.
Twin Guardian has been redesigned – Rescue increases movement speed by 100% and allows spells to be cast while moving for 3 seconds.
New Talent: Stretch Time – While flying during Breath of Eons or Deep Breath, 100% of damage you would take is instead dealt over 10 seconds.
evoker finna be
beefy as fuck
holy
potent pivot
sl not significant
Why not tho
halcyon timber
Yeap pretty nasty
potent pivot
halcyon timber
Also looking through mistweavers and such
Unsure if the “if no enemies are in 15 yards you heal for 300% sp” is to all monks or just mw
Looks like fistweaving is strong in those notes
hidden moth
that effectivly makes scales an 80% dr..
hit evoker for 100 dam 40% dr, only hit for 60 dam, 40 dam mit,
evoker heals for 40 dam.
total damage done 60
total damage mitigated/ healed 80
hidden moth
Unsure if the “if no enemies are in 15 yards you heal for 300% sp” is to all mon...
all
thats a class tree taLENT
outer sky
Unsure if the “if no enemies are in 15 yards you heal for 300% sp” is to all mon...
so port becomes a full heal
are we getting anything good????????
gleaming sentinel
Yea idk might be a sin rogue angle forme in midnight. I really don’t see what outlaw brings now
outer sky
Blind cd gonna be low af
but isnt its duration also low af?
potent pivot
but isnt its duration also low af?
Don’t think it matters ngl
You’d get so many more casts
Way more disruptive
outer sky
well if youre trying to kill somebody while the healer is CCd
potent pivot
With cheap being gone I think we’re going to need the low cd blind
halcyon timber
all
Yeah just looked weird on my phone. I also saw druids dont do renewal but have a heal back on taking 12% of their life every 30s .
Just observing not complaints. Just studying enemies
Dks do some increased healing thing during deathpact now too etc ignoring the penalty kinda i guess
potent pivot
well if youre trying to kill somebody while the healer is CCd
The way DRs and everything is changing idk if burst window kills will be the play tbh
Depends on tuning obv but we keep going into more and more pve style design
outer sky
The way DRs and everything is changing idk if burst window kills will be the pla...
you think itll just be about winning with pressure?
halcyon timber
Yeah probably man
halcyon timber
Wont be hehe nurf rmp yeah yeah garbage
potent pivot
I think they’re going to tune subs baseline a lot higher
halcyon timber
I dig the changes
potent pivot
Then dance/blades will be a small bump
hidden moth
12 SECOND CHEAP SHOT CD
potent pivot
They removed so many of subs modifiers
That it’s baseline will have to be tuned better
hidden moth
AND ONLY ONCE SILENCE FROM GARROTE PER VANISH THATS NOT EVEN AOE
potent pivot
AND ONLY ONCE SILENCE FROM GARROTE PER VANISH THATS NOT EVEN AOE
You might be able to spread it
With CT
But I have no idea
halcyon timber
Cant be penalized into cc bot
gleaming pawn
You might be able to spread it
Thought the assa channel said it does. Would make iron wire a dead talent for pve otherwise
halcyon timber
Shaman doesnt have double incap totem anymore and sundering no longer incaps. Lightning lasso back on pvp talents
No more random ass freeze from mages and blast wave only is from where they blinked etc
potent pivot
Thought the assa channel said it does. Would make iron wire a dead talent for pv...
My assumption is that it should/would but idk the other day I had 2 people tell me they don’t assume that’s how it would work
halcyon timber
No more tar trap roots
From the build today it seems chaos nova is a 5s stun now and isolated prey was halved or did i read that wrong
livid yew
is deadly poison only used against full dps teams?
halcyon timber
Mage alter time cheat death version to get them back to 50%
potent pivot
is deadly poison only used against full dps teams?
Never
halcyon timber
Fury warrior kill or be killed cheat death thing too . Interesting moves
hidden moth
From the build today it seems chaos nova is a 5s stun now and isolated prey was ...
chaos nova is now aoe 3 second stun
4 second stun on primary target bc of focused ire
5 second stun on primary target if he is the only one hit wit hthe aoe chaos nova
halcyon timber
chaos nova is now aoe 3 second stun
4 second stun on primary target bc of focus...
Tracking ty man
livid yew
what would be an ideal ass rogue opener? any resource for that?
halcyon timber
Just got home trying to catch up on notes
gleaming pawn
Dragon Tempered Blades maybe making a comeback in Midnight
halcyon timber
The KB stabbing the frick out of people is cool
potent pivot
what would be an ideal ass rogue opener? any resource for that?
Wowhead
hidden moth
Tracking ty man
so bm hunter got pet on u, u nova, u stun pets for 3 seconds and hunter for 4
halcyon timber
so bm hunter got pet on u, u nova, u stun pets for 3 seconds and hunter for 4
Make sense brother. They will probably hit our premptive maneuver too tbh
halcyon timber
so bm hunter got pet on u, u nova, u stun pets for 3 seconds and hunter for 4
Kick some ass in the tourney today too man
Discipline can smash the frick out of radiance during Evangelism and void shields talent is interesting to see. Dome vs ultimate penitence
livid yew
is it fine to bind cold blood to kingsbane? i dont have enough keybinds lmao
keen canopy
yeah
livid yew
how about binding thistle tea on shiv? bad idea?
hidden moth
there is a cast sequence macro u can get from assa channel
ask for it
btu ideally u have shiv and tea seperate
livid yew
can anyone share the macro?
hidden moth
#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
molten hedge
evoker finna be
I think these make them less tanky overall. Bc ur forced to use renewing and scales together. and rescue no longer has a shield
hidden moth
I think these make them less tanky overall. Bc ur forced to use renewing and sca...
rescue can be give take
no shield but more movement is fat for kiting and 3 seconds of cast while moving
livid yew
#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
whhat does this do?
molten hedge
Yeah idt Evokers have issues moving 😂
hidden moth
whhat does this do?
can spam shiv but wont use all 3 charges of tea
molten hedge
Infinite hover
hidden moth
Infinite hover
no no
thats not the thing for the dragon
it gives there target that 2
imagine their healer mount speed running charging up a fat holy light
or some shit
livid yew
can spam shiv but wont use all 3 charges of tea
amazing thank youi
any burst macro here?
for ass
hidden moth
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/use 14
/cast Cold blood
/cast thistle tea
/cast Kingsbane
halcyon timber
ROGUE
Class
New Talent: Toxic Stilletto – Shiv’s Energy cost is reduced by 20, its cooldown is reduced by 15 seconds, and its range is increased by 2 yards.
New Talent: Quick Fingers – Agility increased by 3%.
New Talent: Deep Cuts – Damage dealt by your finishing moves increased by 6%.
New Talent: Danger Sense – You have a 20% chance to partially evade any damage dealt to you, reducing the damage it deals by 20%.
Cold Blooded Killer has been updated – Critically striking with an attack that generates combo points increases the critical strike chance of your next direct damage finishing move by 10%.
The following talents have been removed:
Rushed Setup
Shadowheart
From blue post rogues
wet crown
meanwhile we get an rng damage reduction of 20%
hidden moth
ferocity doesnt put trinket on cd
hidden moth
meanwhile we get an rng damage reduction of 20%
that talent is roughly a 4% flat dr
livid yew
do i cast kingsbane or deathmark first in burst?
hidden moth
u get swung on 5x each swing hits for 100 dam each
say it procs 1 time bc 20% chance
that 100 dam swing now does 20% less so hits for 80 dam
total 500 potential damage inc, 480 damage taken
total 4% damage mitigated
hidden moth
do i cast kingsbane or deathmark first in burst?
depends
typically u death mark but
some games
ill death mark a target and fuck off somewhere else
gleaming pawn
When y’all post feedback for Midnight, make sure to bring up that Deathmark is still the only dispellable spec defining CD in the game
hidden moth
When y’all post feedback for Midnight, make sure to bring up that Deathmark is s...
soul rot enters the chat
jaunty mirage
Lock cds have at least always been dispellable
potent pivot
Bro what is that shiv talent
spring bough
When y’all post feedback for Midnight, make sure to bring up that Deathmark is s...
Don’t you love having ur hero talents main ability getting dispelled
spring bough
Bro what is that shiv talent
Them getting ready to reintroduce 8 yard melee range
spring bough
I’m gonna make myself believe we getting by extendo range again
spring bough
Shiv isn’t a dps CD in midnight
We can shiv a fury war 
hidden moth
make beastial wrath shivable
lolol
yeah shiv so useless
a single target 8 second increased slow
jaunty mirage
When y’all post feedback for Midnight, make sure to bring up that Deathmark is s...
Even better that it technically used to not be dispellable
gleaming pawn
Yep! The only thing that should remove DM is BoP/Bubble
jaunty mirage
Blizzard giving rets spell warden is so funny because dk (the class whose entire fantasy revolved around being the anti-caster) had it and both blizzard and the community decided it was too much and removed it
outer sky
lmfao
outer sky
Nah it was on a tank lol
potent pivot
?
jaunty mirage
Zicore gonna get rogues nerfed
potent pivot
Nah I was question marking what he said
jaunty mirage
Oh I know haha
Just saying he needs to stop fatebound zapping people we’re only 2 days in
livid yew
do i use cheap shots on my goes as ass rogues? or just garrote
hidden moth
Elite Rank is now attained at 2300 personal rating (was 2400). Additionally, this also means that correlated ranks and titles such as Legend, Strategist, and Gladiator will have their game win requirements to be at or above 2300.
Developers’ notes: We’ve seen feedback around the top end PvP rewards being extremely difficult to achieve in the more recent seasons. Our goal with this adjustment is to slightly ease the requirement while still maintaining the prestige that comes with attaining these rewards and titles.
outer sky
Nah I was question marking what he said
this was done to a prot pally
livid yew
any weakaura that can show the "12 sec after stealth" buff?
molten hedge
What do u guys think is better generally speaking for assa boomie 3s? Fatebound or DS
vocal surge
FB
outer sky
any weakaura that can show the "12 sec after stealth" buff?
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I just made one
enjoy
potent pivot
What do u guys think is better generally speaking for assa boomie 3s? Fatebound ...
They’re both decent enough
Try both and see what fits your comp better
outer sky
What do u guys think is better generally speaking for assa boomie 3s? Fatebound ...
In my experience the best build between those 2 is always the one you're not playing
molten hedge
In my experience the best build between those 2 is always the one you're not pla...
LOL
Ivan think DS is better. Its more overall but i can almost solo in a bomb with FB which is nice
outer sky
Ivan think DS is better. Its more overall but i can almost solo in a bomb with F...
really? Ivan was one of the first ones to swear by FB
molten hedge
really? Ivan was one of the first ones to swear by FB
mans switched up
potent pivot
Ye he said earlier that he feels DS is better for 3s
But I really think that’s comp dependent
molten hedge
yea hhes playing with an arcane last i saw
outer sky
really that sounds like one of the worst classes to play DS with
molten hedge
but one might think FS is better since arcane can sheep dots off and that seems more detrimental to DS.
outer sky
the mage will just spam sheep off alol your damage between go's
molten hedge
arcane does usually sheep less than fire and frost tho tbf
err maybe ive watched too much cvarks lol
outer sky
oh interesting hes playing DS with Kingsbane and supercharger
hes one of two rogues doing that
potent pivot
oh interesting hes playing DS with Kingsbane and supercharger
Ye he said he was playing the same build as s1
outer sky
yeah idk about that
molten hedge
hes one of two rogues doing that
he followed that up with "im just doing it to prove u can play whatever u want it doesnt matter"
lol
outer sky
he followed that up with "im just doing it to prove u can play whatever u want i...
yeah he has a hard time understanding the difference between "good" and "viable"
a lot of people do
you could probably play pretty close to your typical max rating for the season with a few talents not even selected. it would be viable but it wouldnt be good
potent pivot
yeah idk about that
Has been my favorite build in a long ass time ngl
Since like shadowlands legendary builds
outer sky
Since like shadowlands legendary builds
but you like the big envenom playstyle
potent pivot
I think it’s good enough
Like
There can be lots of different builds that are good
What matters most
Is if you can make it work for yourself
spring bough
yeah he has a hard time understanding the difference between "good" and "viable"
ivan too good for a build to matter to him lololol
bro could play without talents and win games
potent pivot
Like some of our local outlaw rogues enjoy playing some random ass shit at times
But if it works for them, it works for them 
spring bough
hey it was good S1 lolol
outer sky
But if it works for them, it works for them <:shruge:1374448505120227450>
kinda like how not playing DM works for me? 🙂
outer sky
dont knock it till you try it
spring bough
trickz have u pvped in S3 lol
hybrid sapphire
should i craft max level bracers or replace my blue trink
potent pivot
trickz have u pvped in S3 lol
Fuckin barely
outer sky
should i craft max level bracers or replace my blue trink
bracers
potent pivot
Kinda cba
outer sky
that trinket is the last thing you upgrade
spring bough
should play remix im having fun on outlaw rn
potent pivot
I cancelled my sub for rn
Think I still have it active this month in case I try remix
spring bough
have u bought midnight yet lol
potent pivot
Fuck no
After the alpha notes came out I decided i prolly won’t play it
I’ll keep an eye on alpha to see how things are shaping up
We’ll see what happens from there ig
spring bough
damn that bad? outlaw lookin pretty okay lol