pvp

[potent pivot]

yes

[wet crown]

oh man sub is fried

fuck that.

[grave basin]

I mean they're keeping the vanish talents in class tree

[wet crown]

i'm just gonna play outlaw and aff all expansion

[grave basin]

Even when they're deliberately removing stealth reliance

[radiant glen]

dw dw dw we will do dmg outside dance and we will do the same dmg inside dance and then its gonna be the sickest budget warrior u will ever see

im so glad the game is getting pruned it was almost a bit more complex than mashing ur face on the keyboard

[potent pivot]

all they needed to prune was modifiers imo

not actual abilities and shit for the most part

like

we still have even bigger hero trees and apex talents coming

i think they pruned the opposite of what they should have

[radiant glen]

ngl i think rogue having cheapshot during dance was a bit hard for new players to learn and understand, so now they will have to count teh amount of cheapshots and guess the haste level of the rogue without addons :D

[potent pivot]

[radiant glen]

it was also very unintuitive to have a new player see a 7 second blind and be unsure if they should trinket it, so now they can guess if they wanna trinket the axe toss, half stormbolt, coil, or quarter fear

healers trading cds also a bit complex so we're removing half of them and just making flash heal do 300% more

ok imma stop dooming and imma start looking at the league of legends meta

inshallah ring of titans or w/e blows up idk

[abstract stratus]

we thought not enough people played healer because its fundamentally the least fun role so we made all healers do 300% damage and tied all of their damage to healing so more people play healers HAVE FUN
inb4 all healers play like voidweaver

[spring bough]

DH gonna still be omega s tier lol

Can’t wait changes sound minimal and good

Blur more powered up had to read that one three times

[wet crown]

Gonna be sad since it seems like solo pvp is just gonna feel horrible on a rogue now lol

hopefully I'm just wrong but man

[gleaming sentinel]

it already does

[spring bough]

DH gonna annihilate all even faster

[wet crown]

true

this shit ain't helping

can sin still spam garrote silences

or is that gone too

[dark kernel]

im genuinely so depressed every night I queue this game

[wet crown]

real

[dark kernel]

Like, I legitimately put every single minute of my free disposable time into getting better and improving and I haven't seen any improvement in months

and my time is so limited I feel like at this point its actually just that Im fucking stupid

[potent pivot]

yeah

garrote silence is still there

[spring bough]

Think I’m doing a belf DH for remix

Things gonna zoom thru all the dungeons. Tank for fast ques lol

[abstract stratus]

i feel the same i zoomed up to 2380 the first like 2 weeks of the expac and then have had que anxiety ever since after i had 2 bad nights in a row lol just waiting for inflation to kick in harder before i que more shuffle on the main

[sharp sierra]

I’m so excited for the new spec

[grave basin]

Mages lost displacement blast wave and shifty p

[dark kernel]

That's like nothing. It's really not

[outer sky]

they finally tuned down their mobility?

[dark kernel]

Like you're trying to be where I am and I get it

But I've now been hard stuck like 6 months and it's getting to the point that I am legitimately clinically, mood and life affected depressed

At not being able to learn

It's not even losing, it's the fact that losing means I'm not figuring things out

I hit 2300 before and I'm struggling at 1900

[outer sky]

record some games

[dark kernel]

Anyway I don't want to aids chat here, the game needs less dps

It won't matter

I have before, I don't want to aids chat with depression again

Like it's done

[grave basin]

Priests no longer have void swap

Sp doesn't have horror

I mean ???

[gleaming sentinel]

Dk might be insane

[woven gale]

Rip got trolled out of my 6-0 thought I was gonna be done with Hunter.

[woven gale]

wtf is shifty p

[grave basin]

Shifting power

[woven gale]

I straight up never understood why they kept that from Shadowlands

It wasn't a fun mage ability it was just good

[grave basin]

It was good for skill expression

Using it correctly was a major DPS gain

[woven gale]

It was also a boring skill

[grave basin]

That's kinda subjective no

[woven gale]

I run it on my mage cause I feel I have to, not cause I enjoy it

[grave basin]

Was fun for me

[woven gale]

I mean its literally just stand still wait a bit for your CDs to be refreshed

Ill take 1000 hunt variations over Shifting Power

Or Mindgames

Or Divine Bell

[grave basin]

Yea and if you get kicked or used it before you got off the spells you needed

[woven gale]

Or Destro Bolt or Kyrian Spear...

[grave basin]

You're not as good as someone who used it correctly

[woven gale]

I never really had problems getting it off

It felt like Leylines 2.0

A mandatory power that just makes you stronger but doesn't actually do anything flashy or cool

[grave basin]

It literally made you flash with power

Aesthetically

[woven gale]

Yeah but The Hunt

[grave basin]

Not mechanically

[woven gale]

When I mean do something flashy I am talking like how the new DH spec has the bomb

Or how Ele in SL could send wave after wave of meatballs

I'd rather have duel even as a mage than that cause duel DOES look cool and feel cool to use

[wet crown]

So is it just me or like

doesn't the change to DR inherently kinda make the nerf to cheap shot unnecessary

Like IDK when cheap shot was ever a problem in pve

and it's never looked weaker to me than midnight

[potent pivot]

you can't cheap an entire team now

which is just an insane change to comprehend but yeah

[wet crown]

Like I want to believe our damage gets some much needed love because of it

But I've also played long enough to not instantly buy that lol

[potent pivot]

legit every new player

is just going to cry about energy regen

watch

[wet crown]

"OH THIS MEANS THEY'LL FIX THINGS"

teehee

[potent pivot]

even in aoe assa is going to be energy starved btw

[wet crown]

I hyperfocused on outlaw, why would energy be real bad

[potent pivot]

outlaw is going to be way slower

[wet crown]

Oh of course it is

[potent pivot]

assa is going to be way slower

[wet crown]

Outlaw actually looks good

[potent pivot]

etc

[wet crown]

Relative to most other specs

[potent pivot]

idk i don't like it

[wet crown]

Big question is if has any staying power at all in a pvp setting

[vocal surge]

Its a matter of PvP talents

[potent pivot]

basically all 3 specs are going to be 'just do damage idiot'

[wet crown]

I'm fine with that as a shuffle enjoyer

I don't care for 3v3 anymore tbh.

[potent pivot]

gutting cheap and leaving iron wire is also kinda crazy

[wet crown]

losing the aoe silence garrote spam will be sad

But we can still do it on st

and that's funny to do

just perma cc the healer, nothing they can do if they aren't a druid

[potent pivot]

you can spread garrote with CT

[wet crown]

Yeah but that doesn't apply to the silence

presumably

[potent pivot]

just not sure if that also spreads the silence until tested

[wet crown]

I'm ASSUMING not

[potent pivot]

i'd be surprised if it doesn't include the silence

genuinely

[vocal surge]

It'd be OP if it included the silence

[wet crown]

idk that wouldn't really make sense to me

garrote applies the silence, not the bleed

[potent pivot]

what

no it wouldn't

[vocal surge]

imagine Garrote --> Fok --> Crimson Tempest --> FoK x2 --> Crimson Tempest

and you'd reapply that silence twice

[wet crown]

it's the garrote actually making contact with the target that's the silence

[wet crown]

i mean as opposed to now

[potent pivot]

we can already aoe triple silence a shit load right now

[wet crown]

i don't think it'll work that way though

[potent pivot]

it would still be worse

than what we have rn

by a lot

[wet crown]

Like

I just want to be able to have mini burst windows again between cds

Feel like I'm fucking afk without deathmark

Meanwhile crusader billy smashes his keyboard and has a wake of ashes go every 30 seconds

[vocal surge]

and perma Slice and Dice

[wet crown]

I want paladin to lose at least one safety net

or 1:30 forbearance

[vocal surge]

They gave paladins perma Slice and Dice xD

[wet crown]

bro my mage can't ice block twice a minute, why can these assholes do that, and attack during it

and have actual defensive cds

that can't be interrupted

[potent pivot]

it just wouldn't work after dropping stealth/subt

[wet crown]

while also being able to give other players defensives

[potent pivot]

like

[wet crown]

It doesn't make sense though.

[potent pivot]

how not

[wet crown]

I don't think the mere act of applying the garrote is the trigger to begin with

I think spreading the bleed is all crimson tempest would do, the silence needing you to actually use the garrote spell on said target

[potent pivot]

IC spreads it just fine rn

[wet crown]

I HOPE you're right but I don't think you are. Because that sounds way better for M+

IC makes garrote cleave

its different

it's still garrote

[potent pivot]

its still worse for m+ than IC

[wet crown]

Well we're losing ic so it's moot

I don't disagree at all lol

[potent pivot]

and i feel like there's no shot they don't give pve players a way to spread silence

on packs

[wet crown]

Wouldn't surprise me at all tbh

[potent pivot]

its not moot in the fact that like

completely removing something that is that important

[wet crown]

this is the most important time

to raise complaints to blizzard

[potent pivot]

compared to giving a watered down version of said thing

[wet crown]

lots of negative feedback will make them change at this stage.

[potent pivot]

like now you have to waste a global just to spread to 2 targets

instead of it happening automatically

and you also have way less of a window to do so

[jaunty mirage]

I really hope that micro cc gets looked at

It’s one of the biggest issues with the game the last few expacs imo

Makes it so like melee HAVE to have a ton of gap closers

If you remove a bunch of micro cc then you can also remove SOME gap closers and make casters have to cast again

[wet crown]

I mean

I play a warlock and a mage too, so it's like

IMO melee mobility is way more of an issue than caster mobility/casting r/n in pvp

Something like a warrior you legit cannot out maneuver no matter how hard you outplay, unless you're a mage with shimmer

[potent pivot]

[jaunty mirage]

I mean yeah I’m just saying it’s all connected

[wet crown]

Like it's not really an issue for rogue sadly

but it's absurd

warrior, dh, a ret pally, a fucking dk or a monk are on you as like a priest or lock without peels, what do you even do

[potent pivot]

You say that after the last frost mage meta

Kinda crazy

[wet crown]

well again

I did specify mage

is like the only one that's just as bullshit

but they also kinda have to be so lol

[jaunty mirage]

It’s just sort of been an arms race between mobility and casting

[wet crown]

It's either that or we give them deep freeze back

[potent pivot]

The amount of roots, movement and knock is insane to me

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

[wet crown]

Personally I'd love having deep freeze again on mage

instead of just running away from 80 gap closers

that's like my #1 issue with mage pvp, there's a lot of situations you can't punish that most other classes can.

[jaunty mirage]

They have always had a hard time figuring out how to make casting good in pvp without making it toxic

[wet crown]

Also since stacking ua is back

we are absolutely going to see healers just randomly explode

[jaunty mirage]

Destro is basically the sub rogue of casters, blizzard doesn’t know what else to do with them so either they can kill you in 3 bolts, or they straight up suck

[wet crown]

I wouldn't say destro is sub

Destro always has damage

[jaunty mirage]

It’s been easier for them to just give casters more instants then try to figure out how to balance it

[wet crown]

sub has a very small window

[jaunty mirage]

I’m saying in the sense that they have only ever been able to balance them one way

[wet crown]

Ah, right

[jaunty mirage]

Sub can either kill you in a cheap and everyone complains, or it’s just not threatening

[wet crown]

I feel like destro is usually fine balance wise, in that if you let a hardcast chaos bolt hit you uncontested you probably deserve to eat that hit usually.

[jaunty mirage]

But that’s the design they backed themselves into a corner with

[wet crown]

I think the worst part with sub is that the changes don't really seem to positively address the specs issues at all.

[jaunty mirage]

Destro they went all in on chaos bolt which results in being stuck in a very similar corner

[wet crown]

Like before legion, if you damaged someoen without shadow dance

You probably wouldn't kill them but you'd be a threat

and if you get trinket before dance gg

ther subterfuge openers were fun

[halcyon timber]

Cant do that, cult gets pissed

[wet crown]

which cult in this context

[halcyon timber]

Just hiveminds of dance bs

[wet crown]

dude sub used to be my favorite spec in the entire game and now it's just like, I kinda hate it lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeah , slowly changing. Happy to see some pre legion influence

[wet crown]

I genuinely don't see how afking while waiting for shadow blades, mashing shadow strike and then being a cc bot for aminute is fun

[stoic spruce]

I still can't believe they just said no more vanish outlaw

It's cool that they get to omit vanish though

[wet crown]

At least crackshot kinda lives on

[stoic spruce]

Make themselves unique

[wet crown]

Everyone else gets fucked

[night vector]

These haste changes for sub feel like theres gonna be a single breakpoint you need and thats it, doesnt feel like the stat matters to us yet

[wet crown]

I'm not convinced it'll even feel better to play

[night vector]

Because you gonna lineup with symbols, so whats the point

[wet crown]

I thought it was hasted +cdr at first

This sounds awful

[night vector]

Just bake them together at this point, theyre talking about removing bloat skills but we still have dance and symbol that are used at the same time buy cant be macroed

[wet crown]

My #1 want

Is for outlaw to have sustain in pvp brawls

Like if you see a dk, warrior or paladin, you have a fighting chance slugging it out

[night vector]

Making symbols only buff finishers means u want to dance->builder->symbol->finisher

So 🤷‍♂️

Tried to read if retri gets adressed at all but all their skills have the same name

Holy this, avenging that

[halcyon timber]

They did that shit with sanguinary vein fuck that

Its how we ended up in the clown carnival that even the pve kids gripe about now . This is them moving the needle a little bit but not full swing and is healthy

[halcyon timber]

Dunno prob a “fixed” dance like the old days + small haste boost. Its a 45s cd which i remember talking in that chat when realz was in there back in alpha and beta talks.

We still have more talents in ds and trickster and apex. People need to calm tf down

[stoic spruce]

No WAs in pvp

[halcyon timber]

They said in end game so i assume so

[stoic spruce]

Blizzards tracker tracks all sorts of stuff buy I wonder if they'll track the opponents stuff as well

[potent pivot]

Did you see that all the CDs are hasted

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[potent pivot]

And desynced

Dance/symbols/sec tech

[halcyon timber]

Tuning and sshit etc

[potent pivot]

It just comes off as disconnected

[halcyon timber]

I read it all, have to work it out and such

[wet crown]

I want it to be good so bad

[halcyon timber]

Shall see

F the hivemind nonsense

[wet crown]

I'll take haste mast over mast vers

[halcyon timber]

Devs likely got tired of dealing with the bs

[night vector]

Skullsplitter removed from arms, goated decision

[wet crown]

I hate pvp gearing with vers so much

[night vector]

Remove versa, bring back multistrike

[wet crown]

Haste vers sub with no mastery would feel shitty

[halcyon timber]

I hate existing only in cds and hyperfixating on one thing of the kit every damn expansion since legion

[wet crown]

Fuck multistrike in pvp though

Was nerfed from the start, better in pve

[halcyon timber]

They specifically said that will never come back

[wet crown]

Good

[night vector]

It was such a weird test, but ngl it fit the rogue theme well

[halcyon timber]

Was a disaster to balance

[wet crown]

All the specs I played liked multistrike

Which gimped them in pvp

[halcyon timber]

Classes kinda have that via added effects anyway pending how they talent

[wet crown]

Lol

Like we are essentially forced to choose between more burst and our burst actually being scary due to half our stats always being devoted to vers

[halcyon timber]

Avoiding windfury memes

[night vector]

I think rogue had one interaction with it iirc?

[wet crown]

Sub had the bleed accelerant

[night vector]

Oh yea

[wet crown]

Which I hated because it fucked with our burst a lot

Sub in MoP was peak

[night vector]

I was combat enjoyer in mop

[halcyon timber]

Kinda nudging in pre legion direction and that is healthy

[night vector]

Bandits guile went brrrrr

[sharp sierra]

How do we think outlaw will be now

[wet crown]

Wasn't even op, just 100% skill expression

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i didnt get to stick in mop long. Had a lot of bad shit happen in life. Cata was great too.

[night vector]

Only change i truly dislike is removing new tmog from upgrading gear

Dadgamers lose mythic tmogs

[halcyon timber]

New cold blooded killer cbk is cool too

[wet crown]

Cata pvp was great till everyone got legendaries and broke the game lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeah they need to cut that shit out

[wet crown]

Then in dragonspul you had gurth and the rogue legendary making it so much worse

[halcyon timber]

I saw searing glare is on a choice node with blinding light for the pink kids. Hopefully that classifies as a disorient

Instead of this bs it currently is

[wet crown]

Cold blooded killer looks really cool

I think it looks better than cold blood

[halcyon timber]

Yeah good reactionary gameplay

Yeah i like cb but oh fuck sometimes man

[wet crown]

I rarely think a change like that is good, but that's a good one

[halcyon timber]

How did supercharger change for Outlaw and Assass? I see for us Subtlety they put it in dance

[wet crown]

Outlaw is ar

Idk sin

[halcyon timber]

Right on

I glanced over it but didnt check much

[wet crown]

I think they should add a thing to cbk

Where killing something also triggers it

[halcyon timber]

So 1 supercharger per adr? Or were notes dropped?

[wet crown]

Not sure, I get alpha tomorrow though so

[halcyon timber]

Cbk like old talents in old bc trees? Cant remember the talent

[wet crown]

Cbk is new pretty sure

[halcyon timber]

Was a finisher buff or some shit

[wet crown]

It's just cold blood

But now passive and way better for the modern game

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i know that but there was an old talents back in the day where you killed something and got a buff

[wet crown]

Oh uh

[halcyon timber]

Was early in assassination tree iirc

[wet crown]

Classic we had it but it was like a crit buff for ambush or ss

[halcyon timber]

Cbk not doing that prevents mfd cheese

[wet crown]

Man

Mfd

[halcyon timber]

Bc that is part of the reason that shit went away

[wet crown]

I miss the old ambush animation on that note

Current one looks so stupid

[halcyon timber]

I just miss when ambush was a fucking ambush

And not hehe generator no do dmg hehe

[wet crown]

Ambush cranked more than finishers lmao

Get crits and gg

[halcyon timber]

It was a god damn satisfying crunch

[wet crown]

Cp management and different openers

[halcyon timber]

I dig what were are slowly rolling to though. Finisher kids still get their stuff too

[wet crown]

As opposed to mashing cheap and ss

Garrote, remember that, wasn't just a sin bleed

[halcyon timber]

I just dont believe at all that any reasonable ability should be shit

[wet crown]

Wasn't garrote the sub tree too, I think it was

Well not tree, classification

[halcyon timber]

Way back in the day we all had it yeah

[wet crown]

It was under sub I think lol

[halcyon timber]

Old sanguinary vein days for sure

Was an interaction with serrated blades too etc. yeah

[outer sky]

Wait does Cloak not work on Kingsbane?

[grave basin]

Any1 watching alpha content ?

https://youtu.be/EgbKqvBNr60?si=CB3dEw56lu319YT9

Fire mage had
more complexity

In tbc

[outer sky]

I hear a ton of classes are getting toned down

which i support to some extent. but i hope they don't make it so simple that it becomes trivial

[grave basin]

Mages got absolutely butt blasted with pruning

And priests

[outer sky]

Ayeee i have a fan

[outer sky]

Yeah, im concerned they'll go too far

[grave basin]

Tell him you're teemu ivanrah

[outer sky]

Some classes really do need to be pruned though

Like Shaman

Way too much button bloat

[grave basin]

Yea agree rsham has a billion buttons

[outer sky]

Every shaman spec does

[grave basin]

Eh enhance isn't too shabby if you play stormbringer

Totemic is a mess though

[outer sky]

So theres 2 big concerns I have with this path theyre going down.

1. Making it too simple. For obvious reasons going too far in that direction is not good for the game

But 2. One issue I have with the game even now is how many things a single button does. And im afraid if they reduce the button bloat too much they'll just compound that problem where a single button does like 15 things and I dont like that.

In vanilla and TBC you pressed one button and it swung your axe. Thats all it did. Now that same button swings your axe, applies a healing reduction, gives you a proc, buffs another ability, and turns off your enemy's PC. I dont like that either

[potent pivot]

Bro wtf is that

That’s way too far

[grave basin]

That's classic fire mage

Kekw

[potent pivot]

The guy has 4 abilities

wtf

[grave basin]

No phoenix flames

No scorch

No skb

No cdr

[potent pivot]

It has CDR

It’s just baked in

[grave basin]

I mean shifting power

[potent pivot]

Oh

[grave basin]

No active cdr

[potent pivot]

Either way that’s just too much

[grave basin]

They pruned that from every mage spec

[potent pivot]

Like at least leave phoenix flames

[grave basin]

Yea that's insanely bare bones

[outer sky]

I mean i get wanting to dumb it down a bit to minimize the barrier to entry and attract new players but new players won't want to play if its boringly simplistic either

And neither will the current players

[potent pivot]

I think we have a similar outlook

[grave basin]

I feel like they alrdy had the right philosophy with choice nodes

[potent pivot]

I think that the backend passive shit is too loaded

[grave basin]

Let people opt into complexity

Like bloodtalons Vs lions strength

That's the literal perfect solution

[potent pivot]

And instead of cutting all that passive shit they’re pruning even more active abilities

[grave basin]

Why isn't that just across the board

[potent pivot]

Which is not what anyone wanted

Like I can understand the really bloated classes like shaman getting more buttons pruned

That’s obv

But most classes were close to a good amount of buttons

Shamans and druids stuck out as bloated to me

Maybe mage had 1 or 2 buttons that could be cut

But this is cutting like 5? More?

[outer sky]

Yeah, i can see cutting a bit of button bloat but it looks like its getting dumbed down to the point of making it a different game like all these other MMOs like GW2 where everyone plays everything the same because an ape could do it so it doesnt even matter

Like I dont want to only have 4 or 5 buttons lol

Something that makes this game more fun is having options with what to do

In a match

[potent pivot]

Did sub even lose any buttons

[outer sky]

I have no idea. But from what I've been hearing, every spec lost some stuff

[potent pivot]

I don’t think sub lost any buttons

Idr if outlaw lost any, maybe one

Assa basically lost shiv as a rotational ability

I think that’s it

[outer sky]

And CT

[potent pivot]

Assa still has CT

As a button

[outer sky]

Oh right

They just changed it

[potent pivot]

It’s just bootleg IC now

[outer sky]

Did you watch the preheat video?

[potent pivot]

Up to the start of the fire part

[outer sky]

He says he thinks theyre trying to get the specs to a place they can "build up from"

So maybe theyre stripping everything down to the most basic functions

Then adding stuff back until they think its adequate

[harsh kiln]

I thought he meant like start as in midnight and the buildup is over later expansions

[outer sky]

Because I watched it all and even Preheat is like "yeah all of XYZ is gone you just do this now"

[outer sky]

He may have

Idk

[harsh kiln]

But what youre saying also makes sense

[potent pivot]

This

Is correct

[outer sky]

Well like come on theres no way they're just gunna leave it like it is in that video

They cant

We'd all get bored

[grave basin]

Lol

This is the same team that gave us frost dk

Have you played reworked fdk

[outer sky]

There's no way theyre delusional enough to think thats what will boost their player base

[grave basin]

Fdk is basically 3 buttons too

[harsh kiln]

I mean were super early in alpha though, fingers crossed they figure it out

[potent pivot]

obviously its alpha and some things will change, but i don't see them stepping away from this overall design philosophy

not unless it bites them in the ass after release or something as usual

[outer sky]

I just feel like theres an obvious middle ground

[potent pivot]

the game has only gotten smaller and smaller over the years

so they're trying to get new players in any way they can

[tight hill]

I heard a theory that they want to release on console eventually or sort of, figure it out for a theoretical wow2

the changes kind of make sense from that lens

[potent pivot]

wasn't console release already done

or at least announced ages ago

[night vector]

Flagellation, but i think thats it

[potent pivot]

ye tru, knew i was forgetting something

[outer sky]

They just need to remove a lot of the passive stuff, then cut out a few buttons here and there from each class, and maybe redesign some specs because of that like they do from time to time anyway

[harsh kiln]

What they need to do is remove the subscription paywall

No kids cba paying monthly for a game JUST to play it

[potent pivot]

kinda true lmao

never gonna happen though

[harsh kiln]

yup

[outer sky]

Its $15/month

Thats nothing

I cant imagine that stopping anyone who wants to play it from playing it

[harsh kiln]

anyone who wants to play yeah

but anyone new trying it out?

i'd say that's a pretty big hurdle

[outer sky]

Try it for a month and of you dont like it unsub? And youre only out $15

Idk

I just dont think thats it

Also games that are pay to play are much less likely to be pay to win

[harsh kiln]

im not saying it's the entire problem, but i think it's part of it

like a big part

[potent pivot]

look at how popular free games are

[harsh kiln]

agree

but then again what do i know, im no marketing expert nor a game developer, maybe i just enjoy my 400apm ADD outlaw and dont want it changed :>

[outer sky]

The game used to be WAY more popular and the subscription fee was pretty much the same i think.

They just need to make the game good

[potent pivot]

yeah but back then it was the only game of its kind really

[harsh kiln]

this was b4 though, like it's apretty old game. there was nothing else

[potent pivot]

nowadays there's so many other options

[outer sky]

For MMO RPGs?

[potent pivot]

yes

[outer sky]

Final Fantasy

[potent pivot]

and games in general but yes

i'm playing a cheaper mmo right now

[outer sky]

All i can think of is FF and GW2

[potent pivot]

OSRS

BDO

[outer sky]

Runescape was around back in the day too

God thats a throwback

[potent pivot]

yeah but it was very different

[outer sky]

I havent played it in years, like maybe 2017

[potent pivot]

i played osrs over wow back then too

original rs2

[potent pivot]

its been kinda blowing up lately

lot of wow players coming over to it

but ye the other mmo's are kind of a drop in the bucket compared to other general games

league, fps games, etc

[grave basin]

Ripbozo

[outer sky]

Sure but ultimately people play them because theyre good games. The problem with WoW is the gameplay just isnt that great anymore

[grave basin]

No more mass barrier too

No more ice floes

[outer sky]

Honestly im glad their mobility is getting fucked

[grave basin]

No more supernova

Mages just got P R U N E D

[potent pivot]

i think the gameplay is fine

the seasonal game concept is just dead to me

[outer sky]

They kind of have to nerf ranged mobility if theyre nerfing CC

[grave basin]

yea but mages have nothing now

They're gonna be tanks again like with triune

Is that really better ?

[outer sky]

Honestly yes

Because if I cant kill the mage at least he cant root me all game to keep me from killing someone else

[outer sky]

Im not really sure how they could dispense of that

[potent pivot]

there's ways

i just don't know if they'll ever bother trying

too big of a shift

[outer sky]

I take it you're not too optimistic about them increasing the player base

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[outer sky]

Ngl if this game ever truly dies it'll take part of me with it. Im 31 years old and ive been playing this game since I was 13.

[potent pivot]

the main thing all the big wow guys coming over to osrs have been saying

is that they love how the progression is never gone

like with wow's seasonal model, its just endless seasons and you start over from zero every season

at the end of the day its just a hamster wheel of a game idk

pvping is fun, even pvm can be fun

[outer sky]

The progression ends when you finish every quest and get every skill to 99 doesnt it?

[potent pivot]

but the amount of unnecessary shit that comes along with both of them just kills it imo

[potent pivot]

not exactly

it is basically impossible to "completionist" osrs in 1 lifetime

[outer sky]

I remember when I played RS, leveling was a grind

[potent pivot]

getting all the quests done merely puts you in the mid game

leveling is a grind ye, but you can basically afk most skills

[outer sky]

I mean combat level

[potent pivot]

the fun parts of the game are pvm/pvp

[outer sky]

Its 120 right?

[potent pivot]

grinding combats is easy

every skill goes to 99, max combat level is 126

[outer sky]

126 yeah thats it

I wonder if I can get my old account back

[potent pivot]

you can grind that in a few weeks really

with enough gp

but maxing combat isn't that important

[outer sky]

I dont remember if my old account was OSRS or RS2...

[potent pivot]

its not like wow where you need to hit max lvl to start doing content

[potent pivot]

if you played it in 2017 it might be osrs

do you remember the name?

i can check it

[outer sky]

My character name?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[outer sky]

Thundermax6

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Hell yeah bro

[night vector]

Best thing about GW2 is that almost none of the content becomes irrelevant and the progression is horizontal

[outer sky]

The pvp is terrible though

I used to play a Thief

[night vector]

Pvp is shit but wvw was good

And they killed it

[potent pivot]

i can't find a char with that name on either game

[outer sky]

Well that was 100% my name

Ill never forget it

[potent pivot]

the name may have been flagged inactive

so if you can get into the acc it'll prompt you to rename or something i think

[outer sky]

It was the same account I made when I started playing runescape back in 2002

Does that narrow it down?

[potent pivot]

sounds like it would be an rs3 acc, not osrs

[outer sky]

Dammit

[potent pivot]

but i checked both versions of the game

so it likely got put as inactive or something

can happen after years of not logging in

[outer sky]

And i cant get my old character on OSRS if it was on RS3 can i

[potent pivot]

wdym

they are completely separate so like

[outer sky]

Yeah

So i have to start from scratch

[potent pivot]

if you leveled it on rs2/rs3, those skills are stuck on rs3

[outer sky]

Yep

[potent pivot]

if you never played it on osrs, yeah

[outer sky]

Fuck bro I dont want to have to do Monkey Madness again

The dragon at the end of the quest destroyed my cannon

I was so mad

[potent pivot]

its easy these days

nowadays we have much better game sense lol

[outer sky]

Yeah maybe things were harder back then because I was just a little kid

[potent pivot]

for sure

there's quests that are way harder than the old ones now

they're still easy, just so much different than the old shit

[outer sky]

Do they do patches and updates to it? I imagine not much in order to preserve the "old school" part

[potent pivot]

every week

[outer sky]

Arite sold

Im gunna start playing

[potent pivot]

they've added like

[outer sky]

How much is the sub?

[potent pivot]

50+ bosses since bringing it back

like 12 i think?

lemme see

[outer sky]

Do you remember Woox? That guy was a fucking hero to me

[potent pivot]

yes lol

mems is 14 now damn

i usually just pay for it with gold

[outer sky]

What server should I make my account on

[potent pivot]

there's no servers

you can change worlds whenever

[outer sky]

Oh right I forgot

Every time you log in

[potent pivot]

yea

you can fast swap while logged in now as well

[night vector]

I remember being hyped about wc70 as a kid, when i played osrs as adult i blasted fishing to 99 for shits and giggles

[potent pivot]

i almost did 99fish in rs2

back in the day

i got to like 94 before quitting

[night vector]

Almost

[potent pivot]

its actually crazy how much its changed

[outer sky]

You think they'd have updated the graphics by now

[potent pivot]

there is, but most people prefer to keep it OG

sec

also

your acc is prolly fine

it just doesn't show on the high scores list from being inactive

[outer sky]

Yeah but its an RS3 account

So who cares

Nobody plays that game

[potent pivot]

kinda true yeah

[mortal jay]

hi friends

[potent pivot]

sup

[mortal jay]

just getting back into wow and pvp and stuff. icy veins hints towards deathstalker but murlok and other spots suggest fatebound for arenaas.. opnions?

[outer sky]

Fatebound

[mortal jay]

is that due to the slight survivabilbi8lbity increase or does it actually have a higher output?

[outer sky]

Deathstalker is fine you can play it if you like it. I play it into some things but if you want a build to lock in then go fatebound

[outer sky]

It does less overall damage but it gives you a big bursty go every 45-60 seconds to actually kill somebody with

[potent pivot]

fatebound is more ST/burst

deathstalker is a bit more aoe/rot

[mortal jay]

with a focus on cold blood ?

[potent pivot]

you just macro it

[outer sky]

Macro it to kingsbane

[mortal jay]

is there a sticky for macros? i havent used them much historically

[outer sky]

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Cold Blood
/use 14
/cast Kingsbane

Change 14 to 13 if you want badge in slot 13 (the top trinket slot) instead of slot 14

But make sure you still have thistle tea on its own keybind

[mortal jay]

i shall give this a try then. i had tried the rotty deathstalker .. but it seems to not be effect4ive in solo. perhaps coordinating a rot comp with a ret paladin and a mage who probably dont like me might be ineffective. perhaps " go on the shammy" will be less offensive to them?

[sharp sierra]

I have better luck not pressing them in opener. With all the discs, rets, and pres I’ve found scaring them deathmark first to bait works good

I love death stalker but it really is a gamble

[grave basin]

Just saw that my sv lost scatter shot/bursting shot/explosive trap/tar trap root????/ ros

I'm at a loss lol

How tf do you kite now?

You also have no reliable way to peel now

Absolute piss changes

[tight hill]

what buttons does sv even have left

[sharp sierra]

Lowkey kinda hate that the class doesn’t even play close range anymore

Not a fan of the whole range only playstyle it has rn

WAIT NO CORD ASSAULT???

[grave basin]

It's renamed

Basically combined with flanking

Cause delve Davids can't press more than 3 buttons ig

[grave basin]

Bomb raptor strike KC and 1 aoe/st cd

Sv iPad edition

[tight hill]

i hope they do more dev interviews to explain as i don't really see what they're going for rn

[glass hazel]

assa changes so good so far

sub doomed

outlaw not sure since never played that except for mage tower appearance

just pressed what is glowing and brute force it somehow

[potent pivot]

I find it hard to come to this conclusion ngl

[glass hazel]

not going to drop mark anymore and lose a lot of damage, this is good enough already

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean that’s one of the few positives I guess

[glass hazel]

new cb looks kinda nice as well

should proc more i guess

[potent pivot]

I’m glad we’re moving back into a ST/envenom based spec

But

They’re kinda gutting a lot of shit

[glass hazel]

they removing a lot from other classes as well

[potent pivot]

Ik

[glass hazel]

hard to tell how it going to be for now

still i'm positive, that they start to change stuff since rogue now least played class

esp outlaw

[potent pivot]

I think the biggest shock

Is just how much cc we’re losing

[nova viper]

2300 glad? Crazy

[harsh kiln]

omg

what a struggel

struggle

it's done though

[gleaming sentinel]

You’re a stud

[harsh kiln]

diehard outlaw onetrick

[gleaming sentinel]

Inspiring brother

[stoic spruce]

[outer sky]

This is huge. Im not sure i understand. Without CC then arent we just squshier warriors with a worse MS?

[gleaming sentinel]

Isn’t everyone losing like all their cc?

[outer sky]

No lmfao

And even if they were

So what

Its a bigger part of our kit than others

So if everyone loses a lot of CC

We get hit harder

Warriors CC because they want to

We do it because we have to

[outer sky]

What happened in the next lobby???

[harsh kiln]

that was the last one!

had a pretty good run up from 2k though

[outer sky]

Why stop there?

Keep pushing

[sharp sierra]

Let the man breathe 😭

[harsh kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-gif-3746287728568117387

[sharp sierra]

You gotta be at least rank 5/23 outlaws for sure

[harsh kiln]

oh yeah for sure

[outer sky]

Hes rank 6 EU

[sharp sierra]

Insane

[harsh kiln]

5 if you remove whaazs alt.

but then again, there's like 23 of us in total like rune said

[sharp sierra]

I’m a 1800 sin rogue you better watch out

I’m up next

[harsh kiln]

i'll wait for you

[sharp sierra]

[gleaming sentinel]

Any basic tips? Im ready to get hurt again and push my outlaw

[outer sky]

Lol that 2399 mustve pissed you off. I hate when shit like that happens

[harsh kiln]

i got stressed out ngl! lobby after that was double ret, BM, double disc..

managed to sneak a 4-2

[outer sky]

I mean thats every lobby though

[harsh kiln]

controll the game, cc healer alot, watch the dr's. rely on your teammate to do most of the damage. that's it basically

[harsh kiln]

yeah i suppose so

[vocal surge]

Control the spice, control the universe

[harsh kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/giving-the-sign-timothee-chalamet-paul-atreides-dune-the-sign-gif-18400823

[molten hedge]

I think they have 2 blink stuns now 😂

[dark kernel]

I don't know how you hit 2.4k

I lost so much lat night I'm genuinely considering getting my account perma banned I'm so done

[vocal surge]

Stay till Midnight with us

[dark kernel]

I really don't know if I can man

I cannot handle not improving it's just draining my mental

[vocal surge]

Play other games

[dark kernel]

I'm playing a little diablo

It's just not about the game only isnall

It's about self improvement

Rating is and the game is really just an allegory or some shit for being able to adapt.

And I'm failing and that fucks me up

It's like showing that you're older and unable to grow

[vocal surge]

D1?

[dark kernel]

Nah 2 and 4

[vocal surge]

F

Atleast 2 good

4 eh

[dark kernel]

If you had a single player mode, and Diablo 4 on switch or steam deck it would be amazing

[harsh kiln]

honestly i think i got lucky with queues, and i took my time, if i felt like i was getting tilted or annoyed i stopped queueing, picked it up later instead.

[dark kernel]

It's just got a lot of content

[vocal surge]

My issue with Diablo 4 is that the gameplay was clunky

[dark kernel]

That's something I really need to adapt but unfortunately because I'm time constrained so bad that means I just can't queue for a whole day. I only can play 2 hours

[vocal surge]

and the initial grind

+100 dungeons mandatory

[dark kernel]

Oh yeah the initial grind for Diablo when you had to unlock all the renowning s*** was awful

[vocal surge]

Not optional like previous games

it was mandatory

xD

[harsh kiln]

neither can i, today wass the only day i've ssent more than 2 queues

like honestly

[dark kernel]

All I appreciate knowing someone out there can do it. Last night I went three and 15 over three lobbies, two of them were full caster cleaves and one was a full melee leave and it's just like I can't win anything

[harsh kiln]

yeah those are gambles for sure

triple caster = 1-5 or 0-6

melee cleave is the same

best bet is caster/melee lobby

[dark kernel]

That was almost my best lobby

I should have had a 33 in the caster lobby. I legitimately fat fingered my death from above and I animation locked myself against an elemental shaman with 1% HP and he killed me instead

[harsh kiln]

ouch

[dark kernel]

I almost broke my screen

[harsh kiln]

i would've too

[vocal surge]

Same

[dark kernel]

I guess we all like to suffer

[harsh kiln]

it's taken me almost a month to climb 300 rating. so i didn't spam queue by any means

[dark kernel]

I get it.

[harsh kiln]

and my mmr has been so high so even if i went 2-4 i gained rating

[dark kernel]

I've been sitting at like 2k all season and in the lase seasons past I just always have been lazy and I wait for inflation, but I am really wanting to get better, so it's just been piddling at 2k

[harsh kiln]

had a game where i went 1-2 because of a leaver, even that gained me rating. so i've been lucky

[vocal surge]

Imma wait until Conq uncap before I continue queuing for SS

[dark kernel]

Like Outlaw sucks, but it's nowhere as bad as the last season

[vocal surge]

rn geared to have fun in non-rated PvP environments

ie Slapping people with Main Gauche procs

[harsh kiln]

last season was horrible

last season i did what you described, sat and waited for inflation, pushed 2k4 like the last couple of weeks

iirc

[dark kernel]

Yeah, and that's why I'm so disappointed because last season was horrific and I still managed 2,300 and I talked out at 19 on the ladder, so I shouldn't be struggling this bad you know

I didn't keep that rating but I accomplished it

[harsh kiln]

what i've noticed now comprared to last season is that, this season i dont have to focuss on doing damage as much

since everything else is so good, i mainly just need to focus on controlling the enemy team

where as last season i had to do damage aswell

[vocal surge]

Had the most free paladin kill

He BoPs opener

[harsh kiln]

like i'm literally last on the dmg meters in every round

[vocal surge]

and my assa rogue still goes Destro lock

[dark kernel]

I am too

[harsh kiln]

lmao

[vocal surge]

despite the smoke bombs

[dark kernel]

I'm going to try streaming so I can record the game

Wait how long does twitch keep a VOD now if you're nobody

[vocal surge]

Medal.tv is better

[harsh kiln]

no idea, there's a good 3rd party option though that saves vod on your harddrive

warcraft recorder

[dark kernel]

Yeah, I've used Nvidia recorder, it's just the file size is so bloated I don't want to save that on my desktop

[harsh kiln]

yeah aight

[dark kernel]

I've watched my own thoughts before, I know I'm terrible. And I've had sandor who is one of the 2400 outlaws in a multi-glide watch my vods to

[harsh kiln]

never heard of, what's that?

[vocal surge]

Record/Edit/Share vod site

[vocal surge]

Talking Sandorroguex?

[harsh kiln]

the only way to get better is to play it out tbh, keep your cool and keep playing. regular breaks, so on and so forth, you know this already but still

i'm in the same situation, i'm under no illusion i'm actually any good vs a Good/Great rogue. but i'll hold my own for sure

[dark kernel]

Yeah

[vocal surge]

Ayyyy

I beat him 2v2s

2-1 W/L

[harsh kiln]

😅

[dark kernel]

I'm not going to lie he might have been uhhh

Playing with a less than substantial player

[vocal surge]

The last game, me and my partner were screaming

[dark kernel]

But yeah he's really good

[vocal surge]

"PVE COMBAT" in comms

as we PvE'd them down

[dark kernel]

Yeah that's kind of why I don't play twos

Maybe I should

[gleaming sentinel]

I think playing a balance of m+ raid and arena / blitz is crucial personally

[dark kernel]

I need to ultimately redo some binds too but I have been lazy

Alt binds are no good they flub stuff open a lot

I'll hit a macro bind that's like alt+g as I click another button and it'll incidentally open the travel log once in a while

[vocal surge]

Btw, im down to add him in my friend's list

He was fun to fight in the arena lol

[dark kernel]

I'm not super close but if the opportunity for sure. He plays absolute degenerate hours

[vocal surge]

Ye

[dark kernel]

Like he wakes up at 11pm

[harsh kiln]

I hit 2k4 back in s4 BFA for the first time ever, started to enjoy pvp alot more in s1 BFA, but didn't really try for 2k4 untill s4. (yes corruptions). i made a pvp video of it just to test what video editing was about really, i'm watching it back now. it's hella cringe because i was the biggest noob, but it's also really fun because i get the dumbest grin from watching it

[vocal surge]

midnight

[harsh kiln]

https://youtu.be/rt-koX9W05U?si=3ZM11D17pZESJmox

[dark kernel]

You love to see it

[hidden moth]

Self promo

[harsh kiln]

I didn't even know what the abilities of the paladin at the last game was called

nah

well

yeah

but not with that intention

just wanted to send slitelohel some love to since he's feeling like he's struggling with outlaw, look where we started man. here we are

rogue love

[vocal surge]

Aye

[gleaming sentinel]

Shuffle is such a brutal way to measure your progress man. Too many variables

It’s so easy to go from winning a lobby to losing if a team mate doesn’t press

[vocal surge]

mfw I die to BM pets auto attacking

and the hunter acting like he's playing on Windows XP using arrow keys for movement

barely does his rotation

[dark kernel]

I get it man. I'm just old in a boomer. I did the original high warlord grind two decades ago, I was pushing glad the very first seasons of this game but I don't have any titles

I just want to get good enough and maybe send one single season

It's just a process.

[spring bough]

Tbf hunter pet melee a huge overall for them lol

Pet melee does a ton of their dmg its kinda crazy. Wish outlaw brought back the melee damage meta like that lol

[vocal surge]

Aye

I just brute force coins on this warrior

and overpowered the HPS output of a MW monk

[spring bough]

War was prob fuming lol

[vocal surge]

Sadly it was a 2v3 lol

[gleaming sentinel]

What a goat

[dark kernel]

Fenryr one shots

[spring bough]

Yeah 2milly average on every overall

It’s scary lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah my buddy rolls with it

He literally gets RNG 8mil crits

[spring bough]

Time that tier get two beasts out and push a fenryr and shit pops off

[dark kernel]

So stupid lol

[spring bough]

I mean the bear averages like 1.5mil a hit

All of it’s crazy. Midnight changes seem even better for BM too

No more stacking barbed buffs it just auto there frenzy

BM gonna be op for the season 1 of midnight too calling it now. Stampede staying too

[vocal surge]

I've been listening to the same song for the past like

2 days

Today being the 3rd day on repeat

non stop

~500 times on repeat now

[harsh kiln]

Which one?

I have pink pony club stuck in my brain

[vocal surge]

Arknights OST - Battleplan Extinguished Sins BGM

[spring bough]

https://music.apple.com/us/album/particles-slowed/1710748360?i=1710748363
you’ll get stuck on this one next

[molten hedge]

Sub not ded

[spring bough]

Blade rush is so back for outlaw PvP

Can’t wait to close the gape easier again

[dark kernel]

This is completely dependent upon subs baseline damage actually being good

Having no modifiers is cool, if vanilla eviscerate still does 5% player health in damage then you might as well throw the spec in the grinder

[molten hedge]

Kalv said it. It’s gospel. Accept it.

This is ur truth now

[dark kernel]

Nah

[tight hill]

the cheap shot cd will have biggest effect in bgs also

[dark kernel]

Forcing sub to gear haste is the biggest question mark ever

We literally just went through this

[grave basin]

@potent pivot have you seen any rogue content creators

with alpha content

so far i havent seen any to go through with gameplay changes

[spring bough]

Maybe Kalvish has it? Or Whazz? Some of the only rogues streaming lol

[grave basin]

nope and whaaz is playing ret

lol

[molten hedge]

This is for the cc change not so much rog changes

Mr whaazzlysnips

[gusty hedge]

Potential A / Potential B Outlaw HO Path (non Kir Build)
Both 28/30 points Circled being potential picks for last 2 points, (assuming we have 30 only into next xpac)
PVP, Hot take atm
@spring bough @stoic spruce @dark kernel @vocal surge

[spring bough]

Damn you putting in the work lol

[spring bough]

Popo can’t speak to us until 7am tomorrow 😭

[grave basin]

bro really out here theorycrafting in alpha builds

[vocal surge]

^

Popo got muted

[spring bough]

Hell me and Verm did it last xpack lol

[gusty hedge]

trying to cope 😭

[grave basin]

also 7pm EU time whaaz said theyre giving out alpha invites @spring bough

[spring bough]

We were on beta trying some crazy shit

[grave basin]

so hopefully he gets one

[vocal surge]

I was thinking of running a Sinister Strike build

[grave basin]

im like 99..99% pika and xaryu will get alpha

probably venruki and supa as well

[spring bough]

Sinister gonna be going brrrrrrrtttttt

Same with pistol and FTH

[grave basin]

nah fam UH dk goes hard

[spring bough]

Till they get nuked by the new outlaws

[vocal surge]

lemme build what I want rq

[dark kernel]

Damn man you work fast

[gusty hedge]

Potential C

[gusty hedge]

legit trying to cope, gonna miss current outlaw

[grave basin]

just shuffle things

[dark kernel]

I feel it. I actually like the current play style to a degree even with all it's frustrations

I think the pseudo sub rogue outlaw is fun

If we just had more damage

[spring bough]

CB over vigor?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[spring bough]

Big balls of steel thinking energy isn’t gonna be starved with only 100 lol

[vocal surge]

I think Vigor is cringe

and for the weak

https://tenor.com/view/dr-livesey-treasure-island-twirling-guns-gif-26361325

[spring bough]

It kinda sucks now without it playing KIR in PvP when buffs aren’t right. But hoping with all these new modifiers it is a lot better

[vocal surge]

Ye

[spring bough]

Tbh

Could drop 3 points from vanish and subterfuge

Don’t really need those much anymore except as a life saver

And then have leeching and vigor

And have the best of everything to stand and bang

Would probably still pickup blackjack over cripple poison one too

Ehhh idk tho aoe blind seems meh

[vocal surge]

I picked Gouge

xD

[spring bough]

Aoe blind is standard now

[vocal surge]

Ye

[spring bough]

Airborne does some other shit

Haven’t even read it lol

[vocal surge]

-80% CD and -80% Duration

[spring bough]

Only other thought… feint without CDR… is elusive > cheat death or will cheat death make a comeback

[vocal surge]

I think Elusive goes hard

Just because we dont sit in CC chains as long as before

[spring bough]

Less uptime on feint but I guess it’ll still be good

[vocal surge]

and mitigating damage proactively is more important

than surviving a chain stun with no mitigation

Btw

AOE Blind w. Airborne Irritant is a 24s ability

[glass hazel]

that talent just omega bad

i dunno how they come to idea its good

[vocal surge]

PvE

Its really good for M+

[glass hazel]

but we pick gauge anyway

[vocal surge]

Outlaw was lacking in the AOE CC department

[glass hazel]

so whatever

[spring bough]

In pvp it’s like 3 seconds lol

Maybe airborne with blackjack will be a thing idk

[vocal surge]

is it all CCs

or only 1 CC archetype

that the 2 CC limit system affects

[spring bough]

Haven’t played gouge this entire xpack

[spring bough]

I think all CC is on the 2 limit, 16 second timer

[vocal surge]

He's talking about Gauges

https://tenor.com/view/grr-meter-anger-rage-anger-meter-gif-15697874

[spring bough]

Spelling or new ability lolol

[glass hazel]

yeah gouge

airborne kinda useless in arena

[gusty hedge]

this might actually be good, if its anything liek the augmentation evokers time rewind
should be able to get adr back up after 2-3 globals -5 -10 secs
a 2nd Adr charge would have been better tho

[glass hazel]

blinding bm pets?

[nova viper]

i know its warrior

but its gonna be pain in ass boyz xD

[spring bough]

That best be omega nerfed for PvP

I can’t imagine losing solo to a warrior that has that active

Would be a rage fest

[gusty hedge]

sounds like Tryndamere undying rage on lol😂

[spring bough]

8 seconds of a warrior just going completely ape shit and u can’t kill it

5/10 he probably gonna end u or ur teammate lol

They gonna get smart and save CDs for that and just dump dmg and take none

[vocal surge]

Tryndamere + that tower smashing dude who revives post mortem in an enraged mode

[jolly sierra]

ME WARRIOR ME ANGRY

[nova viper]

PANDAAAA

sexoooooooooo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[dark kernel]

I was looking at this. I think dead ass this isn't something we push for, but something to help us when we get stuck in roots