Popo might have a stroke
#pvp
gleaming pawn
spring bough
Wonder what blinds new duration will be for PvP
stoic spruce
its baked into Ace and we're not on a timer from subt anymore
spring bough
It’s built in aoe blind now
stoic spruce
its good
spring bough
GG one healer blind
stoic spruce
I'm actually a huge fan of these changes
spring bough
I'm actually a huge fan of these changes
I was till I saw that stupid shit about audacity procs with pistol for HO
stoic spruce
yeah that one is lame
but overall I like it
Stealthless outlaw is back baby 
dude
uhuh being gone
spring bough
Gonna have to get used to that again
stoic spruce
is such a godsend for outlaw
spring bough
Pls tell me evasion CDR baked into restless
quaint cedar
Nothing about that in the notes. But it's still early
spring bough
Damn so I’m actually gonna have to use evasion when I need it and not ripping it off cd to get it back again 😆
dark kernel
I mean If we get stuck chasing we get big CDR
For a little
Grappling talent in main tree a little cooky
Cool blooded looks way too strong to not take
The proc rate on that makes it seem like every finisher is a guaranteed crit
quaint cedar
I have no idea how to feel about these changes
noble venture
Does assa care about the cheapshot changes? Generally you expect your team to CC the other targets as well, so I am unsure
quaint cedar
I guess I'm happy to see that outlaw doesn't need to rely on 6 second stealth windows anymore. But HO changes seem fried af idk
potent pivot
Does assa care about the cheapshot changes? Generally you expect your team to C...
yes it effects all 3 specs
quaint cedar
Can we get kidney shot unnerfed now that cheap shot has a cooldown? Like does blizzard realize how much CS is carrying rogue right now?
noble venture
yes it effects all 3 specs
Maybe it's wrong, but my team usually just plays around 30s kindey windows anyway
potent pivot
if you're not using cheap at all, yes its wrong
noble venture
I'm never running around the map using cheapshot on 3 guys, but maybe I should be
Of course I press it when positioning allows for it
But it's not like the main CC
outer sky
Can we get kidney shot unnerfed now that cheap shot has a cooldown? Like does bl...
WAIT WHAT????
potent pivot
I'm never running around the map using cheapshot on 3 guys, but maybe I should b...
its not really about cheap shotting 3 different people usually lol
double or triple cheaping 1 target, etc
outer sky
Can someone post the link to these changes please
quaint cedar
WAIT WHAT????
Yeah CS will have a 12 sec CD now
noble venture
its not really about cheap shotting 3 different people usually lol
Yes this is what I thought
potent pivot
Can someone post the link to these changes please
outer sky
Yeah CS will have a 12 sec CD now
That's going to need BIG compensation
quaint cedar
Yeah that especially destroys sub
potent pivot
compensation? you're getting fucked and you're going to like it
tight hill
i think im going to level a dh lol
quaint cedar
But effects all of us of course
noble venture
double or triple cheaping 1 target, etc
I've never felt much value from a 1 sec DR'd cheapshot, we can still double cheap
gleaming pawn
Yeah we won’t even be getting damage tuning compensation for this shit. Don’t worry
quaint cedar
Only 2 DRs now instead of 3 is also a huge change
potent pivot
I've never felt much value from a 1 sec DR'd cheapshot, we can still double chea...
every second that someone is CC'd is a second that they aren't doing damage, healing, or peeling
also adding a CD to it is an insane nerf
noble venture
I think it's totally an unnecessary change for sure
But I don't think it's nuclear meltdown levels
gleaming pawn
Yep only sub will be able to no-gap lock someone down now
spring bough
<:KEKL:938540034276065370> compensation? you're getting fucked and you're going ...
Blizz said “hey rogue… you getting bent over and we about to violate the social contract on ur ass”
quaint cedar
I mean KS was nerfed because we could all spam CS and now we can't do that so....KS needs to be fixed
spring bough
We gonna join solo shuffle and people gonna be like “get this shit utility rogue out of here”
Aoe blind….. GG prob reduced duration for healer CC
quaint cedar
Sounds like a reroll feral angle to me lol
potent pivot
But I don't think it's nuclear meltdown levels
its pretty bad
spring bough
Good thing I got a BM and DH ready
potent pivot
worse than the kidney nerfs
quaint cedar
I had a feeling this was coming and I'm still mad
noble venture
It's crazy timing, I was reading some crazies on the wow pvp subreddit talk about how they wanted this exact change, same CD and all LOL
spring bough
Blizz dev on Reddit what a surprise
quaint cedar
Doesn't matter, blizzard doesn't want rogues dominating pvp anymore. Any time a rogue spec does good in AWC these days it gets gutted
jolly sierra
if rogue goes extremely dire, explain me at midnight s1 pls
outer sky
Theyre also making glad easier to get
gusty hedge
these outlaw changes feel like the same bs people are putting on the forums 🤮
outer sky
PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER
Elite Rank is now attained at 2300 personal rating (was 2400). Additionally, this also means that correlated ranks and titles such as Legend, Strategist, and Gladiator will have their game win requirements to be at or above 2300.
potent pivot
ye
spring bough
PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER
Elite Rank is now attained at 2300 personal rating (was 240...
I just want glad mount for shuffle and blitz
And for them to fix MMR
gleaming pawn
Preemptive move knowing how few people will be playing 3s next season? 
potent pivot
yeah i saw someone say earlier
when ven was showing the glad mount on stream
"20 people will get that mount!"
gleaming pawn
lol so true
outer sky
I feel like if they make these achievements too easy to get they'll lose their value
spring bough
I feel like if they make these achievements too easy to get they'll lose their v...
But everything has to be spoon fed to people nowadays
No one wants to put in the work to do fucking squat
Participation trophy society
outer sky
Is any other class having an "oh shit" moment right now reading these changes?
Similar to us reading about the cheap shot CD?
outer sky
I have no idea how theyre going to balance sub. If you cant control the enemy team during dance you'll get peeled every single go. It's already hard enough
potent pivot
I have no idea how theyre going to balance sub. If you cant control the enemy te...
you don't know the half of it
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woven gale
I feel like if they make these achievements too easy to get they'll lose their v...
Personally I don't really think they have value at all atm. Its usually the same people and we often hear about win trading going on.
If its made actually atainable by others theres more reason for people to actually push for it
potent pivot
dance and sec tech CDR are HASTED now instead of from finishers
gleaming sentinel
Can’t see the new glad mount
spring bough
Sub with haste is so funny
potent pivot
Can’t see the new glad mount
its somewhere on wowhead
spring bough
GG mastery stacking to get haste 😂
fluid trench
if rogue goes extremely dire, explain me at midnight s1 pls
I gotchu
potent pivot
in one of the latest posts
gleaming sentinel
Oh nm yea I see it
spring bough
Gonna hurt ur damage % dropping mastery to pickup haste for cdr lol
gleaming sentinel
dance and sec tech CDR are HASTED now instead of from finishers
That’s actually so cringe
spring bough
Prob not even worth it to get haste
fluid trench
Damn that really fucks sub
spring bough
Maybe that’s the goal
outer sky
Personally I don't really think they have value at all atm. Its usually the same...
I think this is true for rank 1 but not for glad. Anyone can get gladiator if they practice enough,
spring bough
Make it so bad no one plays it then they can completely change it to something else
This fury warrior death talent better not work in PvP
If I die to a fury warrior on last breath and he lives ima lose my shit
gleaming sentinel
No triple Dr cc and less spiky healing encounters makes me consider wanting to heal again
jolly sierra
it so obviously deletes the spec
i think they are unable to just disable rogue and just will leave it like shit as a subtle way to say "fuck you, reroll, we are shutting down"
spring bough
No triple Dr cc and less spiky healing encounters makes me consider wanting to h...
We get countered so easy now lol. No second or third dr stun to stop a cast or some shit
They gonna save it all for when kidney and cheap down and just send it at us
quaint cedar
Dude our CC is so gutted at this point like why even play rogue? What is our purpose?
gleaming sentinel
Cheap shot is why everyone hates rogue. I really
Hope this leads to being more balanced for things like shuffle. They are always hesitant to buff dmg since we can triple cheap
outer sky
We get countered so easy now lol. No second or third dr stun to stop a cast or s...
I actually approve of that change. It helps eliminite micro CC which i agree with the casters has been a big problem and a big source of power creep
rose thorn
wait what happened did we get nerfed there’s no way
potent pivot
Cheap shot is why everyone hates rogue. I really
Hope this leads to being more b...
bruh?
potent pivot
first blind was why everyone hated rogue, then blind->sap, then kidney shot, now cheap shot
everyone is going to fucking hate rogue regardless
blizzard is just cooked
pliant lintel
They gonna save it all for when kidney and cheap down and just send it at us
you won't be cheap shotting on outlaw anymroe if restless blades doesn't reset the CD on vanish
spring bough
What yall think aoe blinds duration gonna be. 3 seconds?
pliant lintel
rip
potent pivot
they listen to no skill players complain on forums
gleaming sentinel
What yall think aoe blinds duration gonna be. 3 seconds?
We have aoe blind now lol
potent pivot
its been this way forever now
spring bough
We have aoe blind now lol
Every rogue does
outer sky
first blind was why everyone hated rogue, then blind->sap, then kidney shot, now...
I was typing the exact same thing. They change the reason "everyone hates rogues" every time something gets nerfed
wet crown
Oh fuck
spring bough
We have aoe blind now lol
It’s built into blind now
gleaming sentinel
It’s built into blind now
Oh what
spring bough
No more talent for aoe it’s just built into blind
So what’s that make pvp duration 3 seconds on it?
wet crown
Losing IC is actually fucking crazy
woven gale
I think this is true for rank 1 but not for glad. Anyone can get gladiator if th...
I don't think this is really true unless we are talking blitz.
rose thorn
Everyone who doesn’t play ret hates ret and they don’t get nerfed
obsidian pulsar
yea thats perfect for pvp, i blind the healer and my kill target with full debuffs gets blinded too
potent pivot
Losing IC is actually fucking crazy
CT now spreads your bleeds, but doesn't apply a bleed itself
spring bough
Blind def gonna be no longer than 3 seconds
woven gale
People have been complaining for a while that they are running into Pikaboo and others at 1600 alone
spring bough
So why even use it anymore
outer sky
I don't think this is really true unless we are talking blitz.
I said gladiator. You can only get gladiator in 3s
wet crown
Ret 100% has dev favoritism
spring bough
Another useless CC we will have
outer sky
People have been complaining for a while that they are running into Pikaboo and ...
thats in 2s when hes playing with viewers.
spring bough
Can’t wait to aoe blind all ur guys bleeds off kill targets
woven gale
thats in 2s when hes playing with viewers.
Naw people have been complaining about fighting glads in 1600
outer sky
Let me tell ya something bud, if I can get gladiator, ANYONE can get gladiator
wet crown
NOOO MY BONE SPIKE
wet crown
NOOOOO
outer sky
I was hard stuck 2200 as recently as DF S4
wet crown
its also a builder not a finisher
The fuck
woven gale
For most it really isn't attainable at all
wet crown
At least we still have demise
outer sky
Anyone can do it
woven gale
Especially with the massive que times
outer sky
queue times for 3s arent that bad
obsidian pulsar
at least i know Classic > retail, retail is full pepega as it looks with midnight
woven gale
They are if you don't have a group
outer sky
I'm just saying man, gladiator is 100% attainable like I got my 1st one S1 of this xpac and I'm not even good at the game. Ask Ivan if you don't believe me, he'll tell you
wet crown
Looking like sin got it the worst without playing it
molten hedge
I think sub got it way worse wdym
potent pivot
but assa is like a full 180 in design
wet crown
Did sub not get something to remove cheap cd in dance or whatever
pliant lintel
yea
wet crown
I guess the plus side of that is we might do damage without being a pure cc bot - nvm
pliant lintel
no it will still play the same you just have less modifiers to stack now and less cc
gleaming sentinel
Im just hoping Outlaw is good in pvp
We have no idea what’s gonna happen, looks like everyone getting massive changes
wet crown
Surely that means pvp tuning will be good for onc-hahahha sorry I cant
outer sky
its also the first changes announced of the alpha. things will change
obsidian pulsar
play a dh = autowin
spring bough
its also the first changes announced of the alpha. things will change
I said that before and got laughed at
potent pivot
the only thing that will change a lot is tuning
these base design choices won't really change unless they cause issues
just watch
spring bough
Idk I feel like a good amount of this design bullshit gonna change when it don’t work
molten hedge
play a dh = autowin
They removed nether basically or baked it into blue
gleaming pawn
Assa is really slowing down and focusing on chaining envenoms after pooling. It’s going to be so bad, after even worse energy problems
spring bough
We just quit discord until they give us what we want. Just be like rets
molten hedge
Blur
wet crown
If I get alpha tomorrow I'm down to live test shit you guys throw at me
gleaming sentinel
Delivering housing at the same time as the great prune 2.0 is diabolical
spring bough
They removed nether basically or baked it into blue
So blur is still 1min CD and super Op?
pliant lintel
with all these changes will rogues be better in a pve environment now?
wet crown
The changes themselves don't really inherently help in pve
tight hill
the CT change is deffo for m+
gleaming pawn
with all these changes will rogues be better in a pve environment now?
That will largely depend on tuning
fathom crag
no need to worry rogue always broken anyway
gleaming sentinel
Yeah might be the DH expansion for me
You say this every week then come back to outlaw insta, we ain’t going anywhere 🤣
wet crown
Like really rogue pves big issue was resetting fights with vanish
gleaming sentinel
Can’t quit outlaw bro
potent pivot
with all these changes will rogues be better in a pve environment now?
the only thing that matters in pve is damage tuning
nothing else really matters
spring bough
You say this every week then come back to outlaw insta, we ain’t going anywhere ...
Yeah fuck who am I kidding. Gonna be playing dog water outlaw for another xpack
pliant lintel
the only thing that matters in pve is damage tuning
yea i get that but what im saying is if it makes rogues play better in pve, theres no shot things will get changed haha
potent pivot
It has before at this stage so
yeah but there aren't even enough rogues left to cause an uproar
gleaming sentinel
Yeah fuck who am I kidding. Gonna be playing dog water outlaw for another xpack
Same buddy. We just have brain dead alts. Bro let’s hit glad as dh dev
potent pivot
look at the past few expansions and how many of us wanted things changed
wet crown
True
potent pivot
those things never got changed
outer sky
yeah but there aren't even enough rogues left to cause an uproar
Theres just no reason. Why bother when you can get way more rating for way less effort playing ret or dh?
potent pivot
even expansions later
spring bough
Same buddy. We just have brain dead alts. Bro let’s hit glad as dh dev
My DH and BM currently ranked higher than my outlaw……
wet crown
I think it's funny they removed vanish from dps rotation because people who don't play rogue are bad at rogue.
wet crown
My DH and BM currently ranked higher than my outlaw……
Bro you couldn't pay me to play bm
potent pivot
now - an entire expansion later - they're going to let garrote apply it
wet crown
Most boring shit ever
wet crown
Unholy is about as far as I'm willing to go braindead wise
spring bough
now - an entire expansion later - they're going to let garrote apply it
So garrote just became more OP
Inc fat garrote nerf PvP week 1 when everyone complains
wet crown
I think that's better though
rose thorn
Wait did I read that right cheap shot has a 15 second cooldown?
potent pivot
So garrote just became more OP
what? no
outer sky
Is assa still gonna be reliant on subterfuge I imagine?
got shortened a ton
wet crown
Like how fists of fury triggers the shado pan thing
pliant lintel
Wait did I read that right cheap shot has a 15 second cooldown?
12 sec
potent pivot
Wait did I read that right cheap shot has a 15 second cooldown?
12, and 2 charges iirc
wet crown
The actual opener we want to use applies mark now
rose thorn
12, and 2 charges iirc
Is this a joke
potent pivot
no
spring bough
Is this a joke
Real life
quaint cedar
I think it's not 2 charges but sub can use it twice with shadow dance
spring bough
Or is this just fantasy?
I mean it is a fantasy game so
wet crown
Malefic rapture is dead
rose thorn
I think it's not 2 charges but sub can use it twice with shadow dance
That’s still horrible
spring bough
Outlaw should just forget cheap exists
spring bough
Outlaw has kidney and aoe blind now GG
quaint cedar
Yeah it's pretty shit
pliant lintel
That’s still horrible
they also changed how DR's work
spring bough
Can’t wait to remove all ur sin bleeds and death marks with my aoe blinding in shuffle
pliant lintel
lmfao
wet crown
Abandon rewarding gameplay
wet crown
Embrace brainrot
outer sky
Can’t wait to remove all ur sin bleeds and death marks with my aoe blinding in s...
I'm already mad at you
spring bough
What does airborne even do now
wet crown
Cheap change would be good if it was on its own dr again
quaint cedar
That was posted by bigmoran right? I think he corrected it afterwards
potent pivot
idk
rose thorn
We literally have nothing that makes us stand out now 😑
quaint cedar
But I'm not sure really
potent pivot
it was posted by the skillcapped twitter
quaint cedar
I saw a post for it on r/worldofpvp that had the correction but yeah not sure really
potent pivot
yea no idea ngl
quaint cedar
Stupid either way lol
potent pivot
not gonna know for sure til i see the alpha itself
patch notes aren't always 100% correct
but yeh
might have just been a mistake on skillcapped's end
but all those websites get early access to info so they can put it out when the time comes etc
fathom crag
where is my plunder armor for outlaw
outer sky
IMO they could maybe balance this for assa and outlaw if they make cheap shot usable without stealth
but that aint gunna happen
pliant lintel
yea and restless blades doesnt give vanish cdr anymore either
exotic dove
To be fair this change wont affect most of the Rogue community I dont see enemy Rogues cheap shot an entire team until like 2300
in shuffle
They use it once and then dont use it again
outer sky
To be fair this change wont affect most of the Rogue community I dont see enemy ...
I hate that argument. "Most people are low rated so let's just delete the class from higher ratings since most people won't notice"
tight hill
the 2 charges is with dance i think
exotic dove
I hate that argument. "Most people are low rated so let's just delete the class ...
Oh I didnt mean anything by it I jsut said it nerfs the high rated and not the low rated
woven gale
This isn't making it tho so fear will DR stuns, yeah?
outer sky
the 2 charges is with dance i think
thats not really "charges"
potent pivot
This isn't making it tho so fear will DR stuns, yeah?
no
where are you getting that idea
tight hill
bit of a weird way to say it agree, see on alpha ig
pliant lintel
This isn't making it tho so fear will DR stuns, yeah?
it's 2x CC from 1 DR category
outer sky
I'm gunna need to play the PTR for this. I invented this xpac's go-to assa build for the 1st 2 seasons. Guess the community calls on me to do it once again 🫡
jolly sierra
@fluid trench dude should i keep the zandalari or just go human to abuse double trink?
i really hate how they manages changes
first MFD, then kidney cd, then cheap shot nerf, then veil
now butchering, without compensations xd
rose thorn
Absolutely shit on
pliant lintel
basically if you play rogue into a melee cleave now you might as well just afk haha
wet crown
I hate that argument. "Most people are low rated so let's just delete the class ...
"It's fine to remove skill expression because people are bad"
rose thorn
We already have to click 15 buttons to do half the damage of everyone else
rose thorn
I will 100% be playing afflock
jolly sierra
other specs are complaining hard recentlly but the biggest victims here are us since long time ago xd
wet crown
I'm 100% playing lock but probably maining outlaw or mage
jolly sierra
this is just the nail in the coffin
rose thorn
at least tell me ret got nerfed bad please PLEASE
jolly sierra
according to our trusted ret main
wet crown
Ret doesn't look that diff lol #favoritism
jolly sierra
they are adding them skill check
gleaming sentinel
Idk maybe I’m fried but I’m looking forward to outlaw PvP
gleaming pawn
Whispyr’s meltdown over how dead Sub is going to be would be really entertaining if it wasn’t so damned sad
wet crown
Outlaw has my interest
rose thorn
I’m waiting for pikaboo reaction
wet crown
Whispyr’s meltdown over how dead Sub is going to be would be really entertaining...
Where lol
pliant lintel
Idk maybe I’m fried but I’m looking forward to outlaw PvP
the changes look fun in terms of dealing damage, just the cc/control aspect is going to be questionable
gleaming sentinel
the changes look fun in terms of dealing damage, just the cc/control aspect is g...
Idk 2 stacks of cheap, kidney blind and gouge
wet crown
Legion flashbacks
pliant lintel
only sub can cheap shot 2x
rose thorn
2 isn’t even good 😭
pliant lintel
and restless blades no longer gives vanish cdr so you won't be cheap shotting much on outlaw
it's just going to be a brawler spec now i guess
wet crown
The fact aff, ret and outlaw are the best looking specs design wise is alarming
gleaming sentinel
Devastation is basically the same spec
spring bough
I'm gunna need to play the PTR for this. I invented this xpac's go-to assa build...
GL king
Ima play the opposite of what’s the meta again on outlaw and try to make it a thing
hidden moth
on the new assa rogue shit
it seems interesting, ima miss current crimson tmep but
the new stuff seems legit
fluid trench
<@86062568178749440> dude should i keep the zandalari or just go human to abuse ...
I play zandalari even though it’s bad because my wife likes the height difference with her blood elf
Also 5% move speed feels nice
fluid trench
at least tell me ret got nerfed bad please PLEASE
Ret is getting some changes that may result in better skill expression but could also leave it in a stupidly powerful state
I can say at least it likely won’t be as brain dead and should see some fotm shifts
spring bough
Repentance gone?!?!?
fluid trench
I like this change
spring bough
LOL FK RET
spring bough
As a ret hater fk ret
fluid trench
As a ret enjoyer fuck ret
rose thorn
Get that brain dead shit out, give us less cc
A ret with a brain and humility wow
jolly sierra
I play zandalari even though it’s bad because my wife likes the height differenc...
well yes can concede in that one lol
the only problems are xmogs tho lol
spring bough
What other annoying CC got removed for another annoying classes
jolly sierra
A ret with a brain and humility wow
ye, this guy gave us a very good impression the 1st time he joined us lol
rose thorn
Fel eruption DH
spring bough
Please tell me fears got nerfed or something like that
noble venture
its not that bad
fluid trench
A ret with a brain and humility wow
I don’t like my class being overly easy and free, I find it frustrating and like the rating I earn isn’t worth as much so I play every class
spring bough
Hmmm I wonder if cheap will be 6 seconds in PvP now
fluid trench
rose thorn
its not that bad
For sub only
spring bough
Imagine if somehow cheap is actually 6 seconds in pvp lol
noble venture
pve duration i think
tight hill
puts it in line with frost trap i guess
spring bough
Yeah but what if with the change they fuck it and the pve duration sneaks into PvP
pliant lintel
Yeah but what if with the change they fuck it and the pve duration sneaks into P...
it will get hotfixed within 3 hours because fuck rogues
jolly sierra
molten hedge
My friend said everyone’s dooming and rog still OP. He has a 
so ig ur all wrong
noble venture
he has a big pianissimo?
rose thorn
My friend said everyone’s dooming and rog still OP. He has a <:pp:12495992252942...
It’s never been “op”
no average player is doing anything op on rogue
it requires A LOT
noble venture
An average player gets less mileage out of rogue than they would a warrior, etc
fluid trench
An average player gravitates to ret thinks they’re a god and turns into toxic waste ruining my class
noble venture
they should have AI scan the chat from rets, if they're toxic they get a 25% damage debuff for forsaking the light
fluid trench
Make it a double edged sword to offensive bubble or bop
gleaming pawn
Bring back paladin’s inability to attack during bubble, fuck the rets
fluid trench
Bring back paladin’s inability to attack during bubble, fuck the rets
If they do that they’ll buff the damage again to compensate
I’m not saying g they should
In fact it needs a nerf
But that’s blizz
gleaming pawn
We get nerfed all the time without compensation. Fuck the rets into the ground
rose thorn
All because the best players in the game play rogue
fluid trench
We get nerfed all the time without compensation. Fuck the rets into the ground
I agree there shouldn’t be compensation but understand when the lead devs play ret as their main and 25% of the overall playerbase mains ret, tuning is going to be fucked if they do a hit like that
rose thorn
just get rid of bubble from ret and idc what happens
fluid trench
Not to mention ret complains more than anyone else
rose thorn
buff their damage to infinity just remove the damn bubble 😭
noble venture
All because the best players in the game play rogue
just like ret pala
fluid trench
Remove bubble in pvp and make it a better shield of vengeance instead so it’s like thorns/karma, not impossible to deal with but not outright losing a defensive. Tone the damage down by 10% and make my utility matter like it should
rose thorn
wow can you please take over the ret discord
outer sky
you need teammates to be good on rogue
Honestly ive been saying for a while that they should give the option to allow dps to queue with AI healers in shuffle up to a certain rating. AI would probably do a better job than most actual 1800 rated healers and if you just programmed it to say something snarky every time someone dies with a defensive available nobody would even be able to tell the difference. Only problem is forcing AI to heal low rated shuffle is probably the most surefire way to start the AI uprising
noble venture
So will cheapshot have 2 charges?
rose thorn
LMAOO
noble venture
I'm seeing conflicting info
rose thorn
I'm seeing conflicting info
Yes for sub only
spring bough
Honestly ive been saying for a while that they should give the option to allow d...
AI shuffle sounds dastardly
noble venture
And the cooldown will exist for assa/outlaw too?
rose thorn
Yes
rose thorn
but for sub if you shadow dance it resets cd I think so honestly not horrible
fluid trench
wow can you please take over the ret discord
They’ll ban me for speaking the truth - we’re irresponsibly broken and have the audacity to complain when things don’t go our way. Fuck ret for being an entitled fucking player base.
noble venture
Does vanish reset the cooldown for assa/outlaw?
rose thorn
They’ll ban me for speaking the truth - we’re irresponsibly broken and have the ...
And yall get the best transmogs man
noble venture
Or provide a free charge, etc
rose thorn
Or provide a free charge, etc
I think yes
noble venture
Ok, cool cool
rose thorn
Could be wrong tho but for sub I know that’s true
fluid trench
And yall get the best transmogs man
Personally I’m not too fond of gold everything and want a little more variety but the models themselves are solid
languid ravine
-2.8 blitz
-both enemy healers die in 3 globals
-Our Ret loses base after 10 seconds against ONE Assa Rogue
yeah right
wintrade lobby if I ve ever seen one
noble venture
4chan pilled message
rose thorn
Personally I’m not too fond of gold everything and want a little more variety bu...
Fax their purple and red stuff is sick tho
noble venture
just a funny observation
spring bough
-2.8 blitz
-both enemy healers die in 3 globals
-Our Ret loses base after 10 sec...
How does a ret lose defending a flag with 2 bubbles
languid ravine
wintrading like I said
rose thorn
They don’t lol
languid ravine
he s literally afk and we saw the rogue mounting there lmao
fluid trench
Fax their purple and red stuff is sick tho
Personally I want that red version of the cm set to be a reward for something, maybe hitting a m+ rating or hitting a certain pvp rating in each bracket
spring bough
wintrading like I said
My favorite was I got blamed for a WSG loss last night. I FC. Got to mid. Stop. Evo comes to me i drop. Evo rescues and leaves flag behind enemy caps. We get tied. After the tie I return flag from enemy and our devo dies in our tunnel. Then last play of game I kill EFC. Enemy rogue picks before I return and is 2% our Evo dies and they cap we lose. And somehow everyone blamed me like what lol
rose thorn
Personally I want that red version of the cm set to be a reward for something, m...
I bet ret gets some wild transmogs in legion remix
languid ravine
think I ll take another 6 months break from blitz that was enough
spring bough
I’m fed up with being blamed everytime my team loses lmao
Like I had two other players with me on O on the last play of the game last night. And neither of them could kill a rogue at 2% before he capped. I was stunned and in a smoke bomb when it happened
gleaming sentinel
My favorite was I got blamed for a WSG loss last night. I FC. Got to mid. Stop. ...
3 wins to go and I need a blitz break lol
spring bough
3 wins to go and I need a blitz break lol
That loss last night helped my MMR lol
Maybe Que will be faster tn
jaunty mirage
They’ll ban me for speaking the truth - we’re irresponsibly broken and have the ...
Had a ret in my lobby last night say “I’m god” after every round he won
jolly sierra
Had a ret in my lobby last night say “I’m god” after every round he won
average ret talk
spring bough
He went 2-4 thankfully
I woulda poured fuel on the fire and been in his whispers after
woven gale
I’m fed up with being blamed everytime my team loses lmao
Yeah blitz players ive noticed straight u pact like Rogues have to solo carry the game and will blame them for a loss
Even if they themself are infinitely attacking a healer in mid
spring bough
Yeah blitz players ive noticed straight u pact like Rogues have to solo carry th...
This hunter before game started “outlaw on D” I was like yeah no I’ll go D after I get flag to our Evo
Then Hunter was like yeah that’s what I said
gleaming sentinel
Yeah blitz players ive noticed straight u pact like Rogues have to solo carry th...
I much prefer having agency than none tbh
spring bough
Then 5 min later from Hunter “outlaw why aren’t u on O”
woven gale
I much prefer having agency than none tbh
People can have agency in Blitz. But they often choose not to imo
I see people too often just trying to zerg mid
Not peeling
Or killing orbs/efcs
spring bough
So I went O. Killed EFC returned flag once. Killed EFC a second time and my other 2 teammates couldn’t return it they cap and win and it’s my fault
woven gale
Just hitting mindlessly
spring bough
Then I had this Evo in my DMs “hey some advice don’t drop flag”
I’m like bro I literally stopped told u to get it and u rescued me instead
🤦♂️
amber goblet
gleaming pawn
Sub has been decimated, it’s a skin walker now
gleaming pawn
I’m like bro I literally stopped told u to get it and u rescued me instead
Few people realize how total shit Rogues are when carrying flag. You lose defensives and damage because you can’t vanish or cloak. Just brainletts wanting you to button mash like the rest of the classes
spring bough
Few people realize how total shit Rogues are when carrying flag. You lose defens...
I only carry to hand off then I go O or D
pliant lintel
nahh sub is pretty good at FCing
outer sky
nahh sub is pretty good at FCing
Vanish>shadowstrike to cover ground is clutch if you know how to use it
pliant lintel
having silhouette is op
molten hedge
Vanish>shadowstrike to cover ground is clutch if you know how to use it
That’s how I use meld and vanish sometimes in caster lobbies
I played that distract thing the other day
Is that silhouette?
That u can port to
pliant lintel
nahh reduces the CD on shadowstep by 67% when used on a friendly target
outer sky
something like that
molten hedge
Oh
terse spoke
molten hedge
District is underrated it’s funny to make an evoker root the opposite way lol
pliant lintel
you basically have somebody sit on their mount and run in front while you cross with flag
outer sky
District is underrated it’s funny to make an evoker root the opposite way lol
i wish you could steer their deep breath with it
tender tartan
a lobby where i actually feel justified using the deathmark-less build
molten hedge
i wish you could steer their deep breath with it
Trueee
I wanna make a warr leap the opposite way
fluid trench
average ret talk
Speaking of I got home from work and got to review the changes, it’s not as brain dead but man ret burst is going to suck for everyone else
outer sky
I wanna make a warr leap the opposite way
imagine doing that in an RBG. He leaps, you distract, and he gets turned mid air to jump off a cliff
outer sky
a lobby where i actually feel justified using the deathmark-less build
This is the way
molten hedge
imagine doing that in an RBG. He leaps, you distract, and he gets turned mid air...
Bro 🤣
woven gale
I swear I have had 3 solo shuffle lobbies in a row with someone doing intentional gameplay sabatoge to spite someone
spring bough
Is that AI or real
outer sky
why don't we just shut the discord down out of protest until blizzard makes us the only S++ tier spec in the game for months on end?
It's worked in the past for some people
woven gale
We need a rogue PvP neighborhood
This would either be hillarious/amazing/awful
wet crown
Is that AI or real
That's real
So is this
But they'll sooner die than let enhance mog 2h
spring bough
Is that really just for warriors fk that lol
wet crown
I mean shit at this point at least let sub use a sword offhand
pliant lintel
I’ve had voidweaver discs all day, if they can’t cast void bolt their brains go into meltdown and they don’t know what to do
It’s disgusting
spring bough
im turbo blasting DH rn
warrior 0-5 into round 6... tell him "fear healer. stick to spriest. stop ur swapping." his reply? "check achieves". does none of that. ends up 0-6
pliant lintel
🤣
jolly sierra
Speaking of I got home from work and got to review the changes, it’s not as brai...
its fine to me if it makes a gatekeeping
so pricks stop picking that spec lol
dark kernel
warrior 0-5 into round 6... tell him "fear healer. stick to spriest. stop ur swa...
Actual insanity. Fear warrior is literally the most straightforward class that has talents to incentivize not ever changing Target and he doesn't do that
spring bough
Actual insanity. Fear warrior is literally the most straightforward class that h...
bro went ret half the game like what u gonna do there buddy
molten hedge
Guys I practiced stunning two times in a shuffle every minute on sub it didn’t go well
severe helm
dark kernel
Yeah the change to two DRs has been suggested since DF
spring bough
love when i ask a brain dead war if they dumb for charging in on frost DK's 1 min CD thingy with the slow
and he just goes "sure ill do nothing" then proceeds to just sit the next round.... unreal lol
oh and he was 710 ilvl in pve gear too GG
quiet hemlock
How bad are the add-on changes going to be for PvP?
spring bough
How bad are the add-on changes going to be for PvP?
no idea yet. looks like we will see
wet crown
nahh daggers are bis
challenge mode daggers with shadowflame and arcane are a flex
spring bough
How bad are the add-on changes going to be for PvP?
no "combat addons" so idk if that means stuff like diminish or not
wet crown
oh god I didn't even think about that
wet crown
I didn't use hekili so idc about that really
wet crown
clip your death
noble venture
gleaming pawn
The 9 in that tooltip isn’t even the same font, terrible bait
noble venture
what you mean
i got this image from my friend
you saying he's a liar?
go check patch notes
spring bough
have u guys had moments in rated where u arent lagging and pressing buttons does nothing
noble venture
have u guys had moments in rated where u arent lagging and pressing buttons does...
yes
hard to say if that's the game being weird, or me pressing the wrong button though
spring bough
no its literally nothing happens
like i press a button and nothing
but i can interact and type
its crazy
spring bough
nope
noble venture
Dunno
spring bough
https://d2ertrwg9e34np.cloudfront.net/optimized/1X/baacfd8fdee1d828b098ed760f17a...
wow i may
get serious bout glad next season
fluid trench
I would like to 3s
fluid trench
me ret me smash
dark kernel
I got a healer in my guild that is 2,200 rating playing on a trackpad with no mouse
jolly sierra
i think i can get multi elite now
if they drops it to 2k3
in df s4 i recall getting 2k3 w the rog after tryharding too much
hybrid palm
will the finality crit changes override pvp crit cap ?
molten hedge
have u guys had moments in rated where u arent lagging and pressing buttons does...
I’ve been having randomly people disappear for 5-20 seconds
Can’t target them
In shuffle
grave basin
Cheap Shot now has a 12 second cooldown.
I repeat Cheap Shot now has a 12 second cooldown.
Kidney nerfed cheap shot nerfed blind nerfed
woven gale
Hopefully they make rogue pump like mad to offset the massive control nerfs
hidden moth
Cc only useable 2x before immune now as well
halcyon timber
They can't claim "b b b ut you have cc" as an excuse.
hidden moth
They will
halcyon timber
I dig the changes and look forward to seeing the rest of the talents. We have 3 in each hero tree and apex talents that will likely influence some things so the pve cultists can calm down.
hidden moth
Meanwhile assa will be dog shit bc
It’s no longer a dot class but a spam envenom as much as possible
stoic spruce
Love yall
halcyon timber
Lots of people were pissed about being "melee affliction" that has been echo chambered
hidden moth
I’m calling it now assa will have the same fucking damage profile as sub and outside of kb we will do 0 damage
stoic spruce
Big outlaw changes
spring bough
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
Why u gotta throw sand after rubbing it in 😭
stoic spruce
Unholy is melee demo lock
hidden moth
Lots of people were pissed about being "melee affliction" that has been echo cha...
Melee aff is fine
stoic spruce
What a time to be alive
hidden moth
That’s the fucking spec
halcyon timber
Dunno, I'm not one for hijacking and "mah fantasy" nonsense
seen plenty of that over the years. Envenoms being solid is good for those who enjoy it and I won't go against it
hidden moth
Shit just looks ass imo
halcyon timber
All styles co-exist through talents
halcyon timber
It's s1 , that's prone to happen
grave basin
Assa now basically requires 100% uptime
halcyon timber
and tuning and other stuff and we repeat the cycle as expected
grave basin
From what I'm reading
hidden moth
^
stoic spruce
Just the mastery is gone
grave basin
Need to chain envenoms
hidden moth
Can’t let envenom buff fall off
halcyon timber
if the core kit does it via talents then nothing was lost
hidden moth
Just the mastery is gone
The only thing that made tea good
For assa
Was the mastery
14% more damage basically
grave basin
You'd macro it to shiv anyway
hidden moth
^
grave basin
The energy part was irrelevant
hidden moth
u didn’t use tea for the energy u used it for the mastery and now that’s gone it’s a waste of a talent point
Take the 2 points of extra energy a above it and put the extra point in recoup
Lmfaooo
tender tartan
playing blitz to cure my shuffle sadness, encounter ret pres on comms in ctf
what fun
gleaming sentinel
i know dazed was being nice, but this made my day. they curb stomped us with kindness
hidden moth
Also the new midnight specs have WAY less energy regen
ye
but like
even then
at least for pve the only reason u took tea was mast
and in pvp i never
used it for energy
i feel like they took rouge out back with these changes
potent pivot
at least for pve the only reason u took tea was mast
That’s just false
hidden moth
like im a small victorian boy being escorted into the back room of the vatican
by the preecher man
potent pivot
The energy is a very big part of why it was so strong
hidden moth
whysper said dont use it for energy
to even send it in aoe when at 300/300 energy for the mast buff
potent pivot
Ppl underestimate just how strong the energy alone is
Yes, in aoe
Sure
Because not using your button in aoe is like, what are you doing?
hidden moth
i am very much hating the crimson tempest changes as well
i like that we can spread bleeds better but
crimson temp being some of our best damage and pressure
potent pivot
But that doesn’t mean the energy isn’t a big part of its value
hidden moth
gonna be hard to make up for it unless envenom hits for 50% of the targets hp a cast
potent pivot
Especially when ramping/hitting only a target or a couple
All bleed builds basically got taken out back for midnight
hidden moth
All bleed builds basically got taken out back for midnight
yes
and thats assa
bleeds
is assa
potent pivot
It’s all kb/envenom/poison
sharp sierra
No racial changes, NE legion spam it is
potent pivot
Which is weird coming from the amount of options we’ve had for the past couple years
But
A return to that is what I wanted anyway
hidden moth
and u know that some bitch boy is gonna complain if it does even 1/100th of someones hp in damage
potent pivot
So we’ll see how it goes
potent pivot
Bleed build assa was just brainless with no kill pressure
potent pivot
We’re also getting a stat squish
halcyon timber
how dare you want impactful abilities man
potent pivot
So we’re legit going back to Shadowlands feels
molten hedge
Didn’t ppl hate slands
potent pivot
Poisons, auto attacks, envenom
hidden moth
i liked rot comps
molten hedge
I didn’t play
hidden moth
the aoe pressure of the dots
was what felt good
the cc felt good
now we dont even have that
potent pivot
Didn’t ppl hate slands
Real pvpers enjoyed SL when it comes to the actual pvp gameplay
molten hedge
Real pvpers enjoyed SL when it comes to the actual pvp gameplay
Dope
Good nuff for me
Are you still dooming on sub? Surely Blizz devs will make rog great again
🤣
potent pivot
Idek
molten hedge
It’s so outta left field
potent pivot
The sub changes seem incredibly out of touch
They’re just trying to force haste to have value
Not the end of the world, just no one likes when they do shit this way
molten hedge
What tuning or changes would it take for haste to be a better stat @potent pivot
hidden moth
u cant triple dr
and now can only cc 2x before immunity
rogue was cooked
before the changes of cheap being a 8 second fucking cd
potent pivot
What tuning or changes would it take for haste to be a better stat <@6294633782...
It doesn’t NEED to be a better stat in the first place
molten hedge
It doesn’t NEED to be a better stat in the first place
I understand but if that’s what it is then what would have to change
hidden moth
if shit launches this way i might delete my rogues ngl
potent pivot
I understand but if that’s what it is then what would have to change
Energy class rework so that all energy classes can get hasted gcd
potent pivot
before the changes of cheap being a 8 second fucking cd
8?
potent pivot
its nerfed already in pvp
This can also be undone
hidden moth
even wit hsubterfuge thats only 1 cheap per vanish
whats the fucking point of subterfuge then
potent pivot
Running subterfuge is prolly dead anyway
potent pivot
will the finality crit changes override pvp crit cap ?
The what
grave basin
NGL the more I read the rog section the worse it gets
So sub is just ww monk but worse now?
hidden moth
NGL the more I read the rog section the worse it gets
im bout to just
grave basin
I don't get what sub is supposed to be
hidden moth
go kurt kobain
hidden moth
Since cc drs after two dr
this change killed rogues identity in pvp
grave basin
What's subs niche ??
hybrid palm
The what
crit damage bonus has been modified on the spells for finality, i thot crit bonus was capped at 150% for pvp, does it override that
grave basin
Also indirect buff to orcs btw
hidden moth
What's subs niche ??
to not be played like the rest of the rogue specs
potent pivot
crit damage bonus has been modified on the spells for finality, i thot crit bonu...
That’s not how that works
Any crit damage modifiers still apply
hybrid palm
Any crit damage modifiers still apply
meaning
grave basin
But now outlaw has no cdr on vanish
potent pivot
Idk how else to say it I just spelled it out
grave basin
So how does that work
potent pivot
Outlaw won’t need vanish anymore
potent pivot
Nothing
grave basin
Why not just fury warrior or ww
potent pivot
At this point
grave basin
Does everything the Same
potent pivot
They’re dumbing the game down too much
grave basin
Other than kidney
potent pivot
For all the 1600-1800 Andy’s
gleaming sentinel
For all the 1600-1800 Andy’s
they just like me fr
potent pivot
Just obliterating all the skill expression we had left
grave basin
Idk Rog seems to be going down this perma uptime space
And it's just piss
We alrdy saw it with current outlaw
It just doesn't work
hybrid palm
most of the skill expression was through addons spotting cooldown usage, im glad that's finally gone (hopefully with release)
grave basin
most of the skill expression was through addons spotting cooldown usage, im glad...
??
What
potent pivot
most of the skill expression was through addons spotting cooldown usage, im glad...
That’s not even close to being true
hybrid palm
it is
potent pivot
Don’t start being cringe
grave basin
No it isn't lmao
potent pivot
It isn’t at all
hybrid palm
not being cringe, i've always complained about addons :D, moment i use blades get cc-ed
that's not pvp gameplay
potent pivot
That’s a skill issue
potent pivot
Just wait
grave basin
So you intentionally handicap yourself
potent pivot
You will still see that gap
grave basin
??
potent pivot
Come midnight
hybrid palm
nope i wont see the gap
hybrid palm
i promise you i wont
hybrid palm
i m pretty high ranked in other pvp game environments
hybrid palm
won't happen
potent pivot
It 100% will
hybrid palm
classic gaslight
grave basin
You know for most specs there's a huge indicator you're gonna burst right
Surely when I see twin moons on a boomy
He's not gonna read me a bedtime story
potent pivot
And they’re making those indicators more apparent in midnight
Everyone is going to know when you press blades still
1000%
hybrid palm
no you can't set up perfectly on all 3, one can always cc you, and delaying for perfect setup is just losing the round
it is full add on based game play
potent pivot
no you can't set up perfectly on all 3, one can always cc you, and delaying for ...
False
hybrid palm
well then time will tell, at least what i kept asking blizzard for is coming through. and i got trolled on this channel saying it will never happen 😄
grave basin
No one denies its gonna happen or not
We are denying it's gonna make any difference for 1800 andies
karmic summit
no you can't set up perfectly on all 3, one can always cc you, and delaying for ...
Gauge off target kidney 2nd target cheap kill target
hybrid palm
right now if i press blades, enemy has weakauras screaming at them shadowblades
that will stop
karmic summit
And you have teammates aswell that can stun off your gauge
potent pivot
well then time will tell, at least what i kept asking blizzard for is coming thr...
Yeah we denied it at first because to people that play this game, it’s unnecessary and cringe
They’re catering to brand new players and average skill players
But what you don’t get
karmic summit
And you have teammates aswell that can stun off your gauge
If not you can dance cheap gauge aswell
potent pivot
Is that they’re making all the information available in some way still
grave basin
right now if i press blades, enemy has weakauras screaming at them shadowblades
What's stopping you from pressing blades only when you've setup ?
potent pivot
The same shit is going to happen to you
grave basin
Or do you blades air?
hybrid palm
sure, so what's the prblem 😄 let's do it in the new expansion without addons
potent pivot
You aren’t going to magically seem better because of no addons
hybrid palm
and let's see how reliably a rogue does it without addon vision on enemy
karmic summit
You aren’t going to magically seem better because of no addons
Tbh the skill level will actually be worse with addons
Like we wont see stun drs in arenas
spring bough
Sounds like we losing Diminish and most WAs. PvP gonna be raw dogged
Time to start counting DR times in ur head 😂
potent pivot
Like we wont see stun drs in arenas
They’re going to add DRs
They’ve already stated
karmic summit
They’re going to add DRs
Are they adding omni bar enemy cd tracker?
potent pivot
They said “in a later update” so either beta/PTR or maybe mid expansion?
spring bough
They said “in a later update” so either beta/PTR or maybe mid expansion?
Later yeah later lol
If blizz fucks up this launch with their updates. Everyone’s gonna be dogging on them lol
potent pivot
Are they adding omni bar enemy cd tracker?
Idk about Omnibar, but something similar to omniCD
If there’s no Omnibar people will go back to timing the CD of abilities on their own
Through a timer irl or on the pc
grave basin
I don't even use omnibar and still got elite last season
potent pivot
There’s legit no way to stop it just because you remove addons
grave basin
People are hard overestimating
spring bough
I don't even use omnibar and still got elite last season
Same lol
grave basin
The impact it has
potent pivot
I don't even use omnibar and still got elite last season
Ye I barely use it myself
karmic summit
I kinda like the idea of no omni bar
spring bough
I just want my weak auras man. I don’t trust blizz w shit
potent pivot
I track some kicks and cc
spring bough
Hekili gone too rip
potent pivot
Hekilli is in the game
karmic summit
I don't even use omnibar and still got elite last season
I got 2.4k this season without it
spring bough
Yeah one button but it’s not the same
potent pivot
Yeah one button but it’s not the same
No
spring bough
Hekili >> blizz one button or whatever they got
karmic summit
Just knowing it exists is kinda demotivating feeling unfair
potent pivot
Just knowing it exists is kinda demotivating feeling unfair
What is
karmic summit
What is
Other people having more addon info on their screens than me
Becouse omnibar fks my pc i cant use it
potent pivot
Idk it just doesn’t matter at the end of the day imo
karmic summit
I think it matters but just not that much
grave basin
It matters more for casters for interrupts
karmic summit
Like wouldnt give a duelist player elite
But it would make the game smooter knowing who has which buttons
Or if none knows
karmic summit
It’ll just be off memory
Yeah but tracking in your mind and seeing the number on screen is different things as in comfort imo
Its like tracking summoner spells in league
potent pivot
There’s an in game timer you can use
That’s how awc players tracked shit way back in the day
But idk no addons to me just makes the game far worse
As far as visual clutter and blizzards shortcomings
Addons pick up the slack
acoustic junco
Im going to miss diminish
grave basin
Seems like sv hunter/uh DK/ ww are top contenders for me
potent pivot
Forgetting DH?
grave basin
@potent pivot is sub just a flat profile spec now
I don't really like DH but I'm willing to try the new spec
potent pivot
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> is sub just a flat profile spec now
Not quite no
grave basin
Is dance cdr ontop of the haste ?
potent pivot
No
grave basin
Or is cdr being replaced with haste
potent pivot
Haste only
grave basin
What
potent pivot
Sec tech CDR too
grave basin
potent pivot
grave basin
Just creatively bankrupt when it comes to rogues
grave basin
Now two specs are haste taxed
potent pivot
IN MY BRAINLESS GAME
also
they removed almost all evis modifiers
strike will have more modifiers than evis
in this current iterations
grave basin
Doesn't it depends on crit now
potent pivot
jaunty mirage
Forgetting DH?
Heard their felblade attack that did the little like 5 yard dash towards the target is now gonna be 35 yards lmao
grave basin
So youre taxed on two stats
abstract stratus
seems like everyone is looking at flatter damage profiles for better and for worse
abstract stratus
also needing haste on sub is gross
potent pivot
so a large portion of dps is going to be auto attacks and shit
jaunty mirage
Are they doing a stat squish?
potent pivot
yeah
jaunty mirage
Oh good
Having a bazillion hp and shit just always seemed silly
Wait why would sub need haste
abstract stratus
cdr isnt attached to combo points anymore
jaunty mirage
Ahahaha
abstract stratus
potent pivot
we'll just run a haste/mast mix like every other class in the game now
jaunty mirage
Yeah
potent pivot
we'll find the haste breakpoint to an okay CD and stop there
from what i've heard CDs are desyncing atm
so surely that gets fixed
jaunty mirage
I’m kinda waiting to freak out until we see more changes and whatnot
potent pivot
because any added haste you proc is also making CDs shorter
out of the many gripes i've got
jaunty mirage
The only real concern is that reducing effectiveness of cc hurts the skill classes and makes the game better for your dks/wars/ret etc.
potent pivot
one of the biggest is that they're basically taking subterfuge out back for every spec
vocal surge
Time for Hunters and Warriors to DR everyone
potent pivot
but subt is still a capstone in the class tree atm for some odd reason
jaunty mirage
Classes who just sort of spam damage will hugely benefit from less spammable cc
abstract stratus
subt should just be baseline at this point with how the class is played
potent pivot
agree
jaunty mirage
Yeah
abstract stratus
just make it a flat 5 seconds for all specs and call it a day no reason not too honestly
wet crown
I don't even use omnibar and still got elite last season
bro i stopped using omnibar because that shit broke my spells one times too many
jaunty mirage
I was doing shuffle last night and the first two rounds I was with a ret paladin who would say “I am god” after each win, I ended up going 5-1 but one of the healers whispered me after the game saying he threw the final one on purpose cause that paladin was pissing him off lmao
potent pivot
apparently addons are still going to be usable as well
like they said, they aren't completely removing them
jaunty mirage
I was surprised how easily the ret died the last round until the healer messaged me ahahaha
potent pivot
just addons that utilize the combatlog
someone will just make an addon thats the same as omnibar
but when you see the ability, you have to click that they used it yourself
wet crown
I was doing shuffle last night and the first two rounds I was with a ret paladin...
low mmr healing as like a priest sounds fun af
do damage, determine who gets to get rating
jaunty mirage
This was 2300
wet crown
that's upsetting
jaunty mirage
The ret bubbled my fake go all 4 rounds I went against him
I’d just start the game with a kidney in him cause it got bubble out of the way
Just nothing going on but throw a kidney on him and he’d bubble lmao
I’m telling you ever ret is playing like 500 rating above their normal
I’ve seen rets press both bubble and trinket to get out of bomb at this rating
wet crown
I’m telling you ever ret is playing like 500 rating above their normal
probably higher, most crutch spec of all time.
Even hunters if they're bad are like, way easier to exploit
jaunty mirage
Yeah that’s really the diff with ret
Other specs when they are busted can still be punished if they are stupid
vocal surge
Ret? Nopr
jaunty mirage
Ret will kill you through sheer damage before they run out of defensive cds
wet crown
Ret will kill you through sheer damage before they run out of defensive cds
imagine if arcane could burst you in ice block and had cold snap
radiant glen
dance CDR added SKILL EXPRESSION
dw all the non-rogues will want cdr back when they realise hasted dance means we line behind a pillar for 40 sec since theres 0 point to playing the game outside dance
atleast cdr made us interact
potent pivot
yeah that was my first thought lmao
'what are you going to do outside of dance..afk?'
but with the stat squish the outside of dance dmg will probably be decent
they removed a lot of burst
so if damage outside of dance isn't good we've got bigger problems lmao
wet crown
dw all the non-rogues will want cdr back when they realise hasted dance means we...
wait
the cdr is just gone? lol
potent pivot
its hasted
wet crown
but the finisher cdr is gone