pvp

[dark kernel]

It is specifically the role the bones are and it has a lot of stuff going on

[potent pivot]

Click into the rtb WA

If it has multiple auras, you need to click into the one that makes the sound

Then go to it’s Action tab

[dark kernel]

Okay, it's the reroll notification so I'll have to look for that then

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[dark kernel]

If I find this because of you I will make a small sacrifice in your honor

[potent pivot]

Just click the + sign on the main rtb pack on the left

And look for the specific aura

Not at my pc or id try to get you a screenshot

[dark kernel]

That's fine. I'll do my best, I'll try not to ping again. I'm not at my desk either, I just remembered though that I was thinking about this earlier

But even Dr Google has been inconclusive for me

[potent pivot]

No worries

If you don’t find it lmk

And I can snag the same WA and find it

[dark kernel]

Blessings

I will kill 100 ret paladin in your honor

Or you know just die

[woven gale]

Is there a way to macro Ambush/Shadowstrike being used when in stealth and have Backstab/Sinister be on the same keybind/

Also wow

[potent pivot]

Technically yes but it’s unnecessary and can cause fuck ups

[woven gale]

In a single kidney window just popping shadow, symbols, dance and going kidney, technique and eviscerate spam. Hit 39mil by the time Kidney into Cheapshot was over

[potent pivot]

Just put backstab/sinister strike on your non stealth bar

And shadowstrike/ambush in the same spot but in your stealth bar

[stoic spruce]

#SubLyfe

[potent pivot]

Was this on a dummy by chance

[spring bough]

wow. get a blitz in 8 minutes.... only 7 players on my team before the game starts. when can they add blitz ending on start if the team is down ??

[woven gale]

PVP dummy

[stoic spruce]

Bah

[spring bough]

blizz will never add anything to help this game lol

[stoic spruce]

Ignore numbers on those

[potent pivot]

Ye those still aren’t the same as hitting a player

[woven gale]

I thought they kicked in pvp scaling

[potent pivot]

Just an fyi in case you didn’t know

[potent pivot]

Not all of it

[stoic spruce]

Dummies have no armor or vers

[potent pivot]

Some PvP modifiers on spells and talents don’t work on pvp dummies

The dummies also don’t have any vers

[potent pivot]

They have armor

[woven gale]

Yeah it feels like ass requires a lot more set up for the same pay off and in a longer timeframe. And Sub still has more abilities they can press lol

Comparing both specs atm for me

do I wanna rupture in a pvp go? Or just eviscerate spam?

[potent pivot]

Evis and tech

Spread ruptures outside dance windows

For the most part

[woven gale]

So sub can just use vanish for actual defensive play, ye?

[potent pivot]

And cc but yeah

[spring bough]

1425 to 1415 my team we have MT they have BELF. DK goes "ALL MID" so i yell at the hunt to stay MT

go to mid.... we get flag and then somehow lose MT and look and hunts getting solo'd by their MM with 0 call outs

lose game GG

[dark kernel]

i am on my comp now

so I am going to try your wisdom

okay

see there's a.....lot here

like...

am I supposed to just....delete this?

[potent pivot]

No lol

Oh they’ve got it all custom

Shit lol

If you want zero sounds

Just delete the sound functions aura

Like right click where it says “RTB Sound Functions” on the left

And delete it

Or you could make that singular aura never load

By going into it’s Load tab and hitting the check box until it says “never”

[dark kernel]

I did and it worked

yeah thats what I was saying dog this WA was...different

but it all worke dlmao

[river pollen]

Yea like if theyre on top of something and there’s space behind them, happens a lot in epic bgs where theres a lot of verticality

It didnt happen before but maybe i never noticed it

[pliant lintel]

With modifiers you can hit 6m techs into 5.5m evis in 1 cheap shot on cloth/leather 4-4.5m evis on plate

[noble venture]

https://tenor.com/view/fluttershy-mlp-mlp-fim-fawn-friday-gif-3772864839929529294

[woven gale]

This is why I wish ping system wasn't so stingy

Is Macroing Shadowblades with the other burst powers a good idea?

[potent pivot]

It’s not so much that macroing blades is bad

It’s that you kind of want dance and symbols on their own binds

[spring bough]

solo shuff... did more ST than the ret this lobby so i dont wanna hear no padding bs lol

[woven gale]

I just noticed, shadowstrike loses all of its range in shadowdance that feels so weird

[outer sky]

that would be so broken if it didnt lol

infinite shadowsteps during dance

[woven gale]

It does it while you are still in stealth though

Which is weird

Oh its cause it removes you from stealth

[potent pivot]

Dance isn’t the same as stealth

You can use your stealth abilities, but some interactions are different

[woven gale]

Also daaamn

Fresh specs in blitz is straight up 20-30 minute ques

[woven gale]

I felt a LOT weaker to mage as Sub compared to ass

Ass felt like it was a lot easier sticking to mage and killing them

idk if thats just cause im learning sub or cause of the amped shiv ass has

[spring bough]

I got a blitz on my rogue after 30 minutes!!!!

[woven gale]

Fresh CR?

[spring bough]

no lol 1989 and 2900 mmr lmaooo

[woven gale]

2900 I can see taking a while. 1989 taking 30 minutes feels oof

Something has to be off with blitz tonight cause its giving me non stop weird lobbies on my Ass rogue

[gleaming sentinel]

blitz is a numbers game, just gotta slam games and do your roles job well

[outer sky]

In this whole lobby I only did 64m more damage than this disc priest. That's just 21% more damage than a healer lmfao

Do you guys see this lol

like wtf

[spring bough]

Yeah disc is the new fistweaver

[outer sky]

Thats insaneeee

[radiant glen]

does that filter out lifeswap + beacon?

disc looks insane rn ngl

[woven gale]

The ammount of rage quitters in Blitz is starting to drive me crazy. Feels at times the league community is more stable

[dark kernel]

I have been in a lobby with a disc who pulled 1M consistent dps per round

in a few rounds I was lower than him

[outer sky]

LMFAO look at how this guy blew up. He even got a 2m heal from tranq during the burst

Everything crit

[jaunty mirage]

The counter to void disc is actually to just zug them

[severe helm]

Been sayin that

They don't have enough instant cast healing if you just train em

[woven gale]

How are you supposed to win the 1v1 rogue matchup if you have to defend without losing cap at all?

[dark kernel]

intersting

this struggle dude

[woven gale]

It felt like you gotta go in on them after saps are gone and then they will blind you, then kidney for cap after trinket.

I tried dismantle but they just waited it out to kidney me

Should I just be running back and poison dagger spamming till they full commit damage to me?

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah they rely on their dps to keep people off them and for people to ignore them cause they’re healers so they can spam damage

[severe helm]

the 1v1 matchup comes down to who gets the eye and the first sap

assuming youre both sub

if theyre sub and youre outlaw/assa you auto lose

assa can maybe spin with the deathstalkers mark bug

[jaunty mirage]

Sub just preys on assa in general

[woven gale]

Also I feel like I might just need to remove instance chat in general once BGs start

Without fail theres always a Tichondrius player or Rag flaming me or someone else

And its always blatant they have no clue what they are talking about so it just tilts me.

I checked its been like 5 matches in a row of Tichondrius players and rags just blaming a random person. Heal for not solo carrying, rogue for not winning vs paladin or 2v1 , warrior not being able to stop a rogue from capping, doesn't matter.

[potent pivot]

just gotta ignore people n keep it pushing

they'll get themselves perma muted eventually

[woven gale]

Naw Ass since I’m like 1-2 wins from my goal

[severe helm]

yeah best thing you can do as assa is to stand near the eye and spam a "shadowstep->sap" macro

since sub is the only spec with dance theyre the only rogue spec that can grab the eye and then sap someone(since eye unstealths you)

which is why sub is by far the best rogue spec in rbgs for hitting bases

they have a unique advantage in their opener

so your goal is simply to prevent that advantage by step->sapping faster than they can do it to you

[woven gale]

What does sub do vs Ret?

[severe helm]

Other dangerous thing is if they open with bomb on the node then its a similar situation where youre forced to go in and they will most likely fan you out

[severe helm]

afaik ret has perma spins

they cant be solo capped on

their hero talent spins people automatically

also if a ret loses a base to a rogue

through bop

bubble

trinket

and usually human racial

they should delete their account

[woven gale]

The one I fought did the smoke bomb, I tried to call them and cc spammed but I got blinded after feeling forced to go in, and when I trinketed to stop the cap they insta full kidney me and capped

[severe helm]

howd you get blinded from stealth

or youre saying they knocked you out?

[woven gale]

Naw I went in after full sap DR

[severe helm]

with shuriken storm?

[woven gale]

No one was coming to help

[severe helm]

oh you dont need to do that

after full sap dr

you can just throw knife

and stand max range

since they have no bomb

they have no way to cc you

and get to node in time

[woven gale]

Ah okay

[severe helm]

if they blind you then you can trinket blind them back

then be ready to vanish cuz they might try to trinket your blind and kidney you

but tbh they shouldnt be able to get to node in time

if youre properly far away

after the kidney

[wet crown]

Delete the discord maybe

Real talk though is there a more one sided match up than ret vs rogue

Like you legit cannot threaten them, your burst comes back when defensives do lol

[severe helm]

rets pretty god tier in a 1v1

loh, bop, bubble literally have 4 lives

[glass hazel]

disarm do nothing as well

only 'melee' i think with immune to it

[vocal surge]

They need to amp up the punishment in PvP ladder imo

[vocal surge]

Kidney's only 5s

[keen canopy]

yeah the ret 1v1 is just completely unwinnable

the ret 1v1 tech is to swap mains to priest and then pray to the light that divine intervention breaks their keyboard

[dark moon]

Do it once - warning. Do it twice within a day, 1 hour char deserter as disconnects happen - let's be understanding. Do it again within 24 hours after that 1 hour deserter, get 2 hour account wide deserter. Do it again within 24 hours after that - 12 hour account wide deserter. From there on out its rinse and repeat or for the regular offenders 12 hour acc wide increases by 12 hour after each offense.

[vocal surge]

Also for Boosters/Cheaters, perma-ban off Ranked Ladder

[dark moon]

Guessing there could be loopholes to exploit, but that comes to mind.

[dark moon]

Liking that

But blizzard also had their fair share of offering illegal boosting services in the past, so im not sure if they will tackle those people.

But disabling ranked participantion account wide sounds good. Especially if they do a sweep every couple of months, so boosters make new accounts and also get somewhat punished.

Started daydreaming, cause that company doesn't give a fuck anyway

[gusty hedge]

outside of arena its winnable 1v1. really gotta outplay the ret, Prolly eat the first or 2nd burst/stun, save trinket for 3rd/ Bubble. Blind their divine shield/ cloak their wings/Dot, Reset on bop/bubble (if u can grapple away quick enough)
From an Outlaw Vs Ret perspective.

p.s Also a Night Elf ShadowMeld Perspective

[vocal surge]

Ye

[stoic spruce]

Ret dk

Feral dk

Physical spec dk actually lol

[gleaming sentinel]

The amount of ways they can take me out of stealth always throws me off and I look like an idiot often in blitz

[gleaming sentinel]

Good hunter lobby tbf, all comps are good for it

[fluid trench]

Oh it’s perfect for hunter but a small bit of accountability from ret would be great

[wet crown]

Hahahaha

Ret players? Accountable?

They could one shot raid bosses and have the balls to tell you they are underpowered. That isn't even hyperbole, I fucking hate ret players.

[grave basin]

ret players want reprimations for being forced to wear a dress 20 years ago

[spring bough]

Boys we gonna be busy with remix

33 new mounts exclusive to it

Can finally just buy this Argus scythe instead of praying for it to drop too

[grave basin]

yes

theres gonna be a green version too

[jaunty mirage]

Nice, so another version that probably won’t match with anything

[grave basin]

my sv hunter will be looking forward to never using it

but, midnight alpha REALLY soon

so who gives a faq

[jaunty mirage]

The red one is barely doable but you can “match” it with like a black outfit

Or one of like 2 red mogs

[grave basin]

red one matches only with fire tcg tabard

which i dont have sadge

[jaunty mirage]

You could just do like black and red though

[spring bough]

Green scythe with s2 green set

Would be 🔥

[jaunty mirage]

I mean you’re assuming it’s a matching green

Which we know is rarely the case

[vocal surge]

mfw the Ele Sham + Boomy target me down with all the CCs

despite me being the weakest DPS wise xD

and theres a surv hunter in my team

[spring bough]

Infinite CC feels like shit man

The other day I sat in probably 10 seconds of 3 diff CCs one of which my healer could dispel but didn’t

[vocal surge]

Yea

Its kinda depressing almost dying to an assa rogue's bleeds

meanwhile my full rotation does less than those same bleeds

[spring bough]

I started playing a ST trickster build KIR and it’s fun

Insane CDR and when KS doesn’t get CCd it’s smacking

[jaunty mirage]

Final round of my last lobby last night was vs double arms war prevoker as sub/fire mage and an 0-5 rsham

The amount of barely dr micro cc those two wars were able to put on me was infuriating

And then just randomly bladestorming whenever they thought I was gonna stun

[spring bough]

Warriors bring absolutely NOTHING to solo shuffle. I hate playing with them

Oh a fear and a stun that most don’t use lmao

[jaunty mirage]

They were like rotating fears and stuns on me it was wild

[spring bough]

U had some big brains warriors then thats like winning the lotto rare

Should go buy a mega millions and powerball

[tight hill]

warr just press everything as it comes off cd

[spring bough]

With minimal defensive presses lmao

[outer sky]

Trying Inevitable End. 9 envenoms, they all crit, and my hardest hitting one was 1.7m like wtf how is this good

[spring bough]

New tech incomming 5 day hotfix

[little leaf]

I have a question regarding damage in pvp. I like to test how much damage I can do on the pvp target dummy in dornogal with different spec ( the single target dummy) With several of my other charachters I do upwards 200M in 1 minute but on my rogue (same for all specs) i do around 120m in 1 minute. Do we just have lower damage or is it a skill issue with me? I would like to make outlaw work but the lackluster damage makes me question it

Also have full conquest gear on all the charachters

[spring bough]

Outlaw is last in overall ST damage for all classes so yeah

[little leaf]

Ah that might explain it, how´s sub doing?

[spring bough]

Subs got some pretty good burst

[vocal surge]

Subs slightly better over Outlaw

But Assa still leagues over both

[little leaf]

Even in burst?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[outer sky]

Here's assa burst

[static holly]

https://www.dealabs.com/magazine/world-of-warcraft-midnight-on-vosu-revele-la-date-de-sortie-et-le-contenu-de-ledition-collector-60600

Has anyone seen this? Leaker claims that midnight comes 2/26
He actually is pretty accurate with his dates

[stoic spruce]

trill playing outlaw rn

[vocal surge]

Ngl

Looked at my hotbar

saw Vanish's 2 charges and went

"I need more Flash Powders"

walked up to a reagant vendor and remembered that its Retail

and not Classic

[outer sky]

Ah the good ol days

[spring bough]

Time to play outlaw for the 2nd day in a row after my BM stint

Maybe I’ll get more than one blitz Que tonight

[dark moon]

it's logical to have the expack come after legion remix as 24 weeks since launch of season 3 of tww is january 27, so guessing prepatch will start somewhere around that time

[dark moon]

ive never done that, you must be fried

[vocal surge]

Tru

Imma make a dwarf for RP on Moon Guard

looks fun w. 25 - 30 folks in a mega D&D Session

[dark moon]

i was never into RP but one time i participated it was long time ago and there was a guy in durotar, telling stories around a campfire

it was the most cozy experience ever

[vocal surge]

Always been an RPer but been focusing more on PvP than RP

[dark moon]

nice

my retirement plans include rerolling BM hunter cause ill need pets to tank solo content for me and getting into RP

[vocal surge]

Go to Moon Guard 🙂

for Alliance

[dark moon]

im not on us servers

[vocal surge]

or Wyrmrest Accord for Horde

oh rip

[stoic spruce]

I've never participated but I've watched them and it looks fun

I went to a ceremony one time

[dark moon]

ingame weddings were a thing 20 years ago

not sure about current state of rp

[vocal surge]

Depends on which side of the community you interact with

[spring bough]

I would definitely get shit listed for open world PvP shenanigans

[dark moon]

i seen they use some kind of addon to write stories about their RP chars and that's where i draw the line

[stoic spruce]

I did that

That was fun

[vocal surge]

Aye

[vocal surge]

TRP go brrrr

[vocal surge]

Best part btw

Crashing RP events in War Mode

Or Goldshire Gladiators

[stoic spruce]

Remember that funeral held for a gamer and a bunch of gamers ruined it?

[vocal surge]

That's Hella old if I recall

[dark moon]

in winterspring in vanilla 940298340 years ago? ye

[vocal surge]

Ye

[stoic spruce]

Ancient

[dark moon]

but that was on either pvp realm or rppvp

https://youtu.be/0TSGUf1xbF8?si=zOrRi5uZyLQlaINA

[wet crown]

always fun when it gets them to demise range and they just vanish.

[wet crown]

i'm pretty sure it's more or less known to be at some point in feb

based off how much ret paladins suck, I'm going to say january 27

[grizzled lodge]

Hi guys, I was wondering how you track your own cooldowns in PvP.
I use Whispyrs Afenar edit or Luxthos for PvE, but was looking for something with less visual noise for PvP

[dark kernel]

There's still a couple super old wow vids from beta

https://youtu.be/9zvZc4dGMhU?si=eV8W2Q__OTwKHTFd

This is probably the oldest pvp video in existence that's still around

It's all closed beta

[dark moon]

i just look at my bars

[sharp sierra]

Most people just look at bars, the new cooldown manager wow added honestly is not bad at all I actually like it. But for rogue I just have WAs for big things to track like rupture and garrote targets

[grizzled lodge]

Can you show me what your UI looks like?

[grizzled lodge]

What WAs do you have

[dark moon]

i promise unit frames are aligned, this is a screenshot on a lower res monitor and scale is down

[spring bough]

Grim gotta be my favorite vanilla pvp rogue

[dark moon]

i grew up with grim, pretending to own people with the gear he had 😄

[spring bough]

My buddy used me to pvp on his orc rogue to help him get HWL when I was like 13. Then I’d watch grim and try to recreate it on the orc and couldn’t do half the shit he did

[dark moon]

and eventually i got full t2 and i started shitting hard on everyone

[spring bough]

Having hwl gear back then with the weps tho was crazy cause 90% was in blues or less lol

[dark moon]

so you must be as old as i am, cause i started playing at 13-14

yeah i saw blue for the longest time

[spring bough]

Started vanilla beta so yeah I’m in my 30s lmao

[dark moon]

same

gonna ding 36 in couple of months if its in the script

i remember getting perdition blade from ragnaros and testing 1.4k backstabs on clothies in durotar

[spring bough]

Nothing like raiding and tryna hide talking on vent or team speak from ur parents 😆

[dark kernel]

Grim easily has the best editing and multi spec video in Annihilation was insane at the time.

It was also right when they did the mini rogue talent rework

And Naxx came out

[spring bough]

I can’t find it. But there was a feral Druid in vanilla. Made a banger pvp video. Soundtrack was so 🔥

[dark kernel]

I know the one

I literally do

But I can't find it either

[spring bough]

I remember he was schooling people at stables and just doing crazy cat form stuff to people

[dark kernel]

The night elf in rank 10 gear right

[spring bough]

Had like nine inch nails playing or something similar

[dark moon]

one horde druid with might of menethil weapon from naxx?

[spring bough]

I think it was a horde

[dark moon]

first movies he didnt have the wep tho

[dark kernel]

Oh

[spring bough]

Yeah I think that may be the one

Dude was one shotting left and right

[dark kernel]

There's an insane druid vanilla vid of a nelf feral doing a lot of mixed play and multi enemy fights but it was mainly world pvp

The vid starts with the stay high remix by three six mafia

[spring bough]

Def not the one I’m thinking of. This one was more battleground. Lot of AB

[dark moon]

almost sure its this one

https://youtu.be/tB6fH6zqkIE?si=7pz_yrDHmRunVFoU

or one of the series, but its nerf druids most likely

[dark kernel]

Also a ton of Niar vids

His editing was not as good but he had a ton of gear for fun big numbers

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s that guy. That first video with disturbed as the opener was the one I remember

Brings back memories lol

[dark moon]

i knew every second of that guy

[dark kernel]

How can we forget Ming

[dark moon]

erm what was his name where he killed people naked with undead rogue

[dark kernel]

The classic Bushido rogue main enjoyer

mute

[dark moon]

yeah same guy

[dark kernel]

Yeah but those videos were a mix of fabrication and shit

[dark moon]

i used to do this shit to people and would get flamed a lot

[dark kernel]

Like even at the time those videos came out a lot of us knew they weren't legitm

They were 4fun pvp

[dark moon]

there's a video about tbc alpha/ptr that a holy priest was filming and he fought ming and won

but for the love of me i cant find it, it was shot infront of iron forge and that priest had the talent that healed him after receiving a crit and was showcasing how op was it

nothing impressive, just brings some memories

i remember some ming videos where he would record other rvr duels and just comment pointless things while they were fighting lol

oh we are also forgetting happiminty and his nerf sap (if im not mistaken) series

guys, have you watched six silent shadows? was one of my fav movies (wotlk) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMH76t4DCo

[woven gale]

I still dont get why you only get like 20cr for winning in an mmr game thats 300 or higher than your cr

[waxen meteor]

for blitz?

yeah it's bad

[spring bough]

36 or so is the max 😆

[gleaming sentinel]

would be crazy easy to abuse if you also didnt lose a lot of rating

[waxen meteor]

my alt was like at 2.3 ish, disconnected for 2 mins or sth, got a -150 plus lose or sth, then after one day of 'pushing back', now I am successfully playing at 1990 CR

[woven gale]

Finally got over the 1800 hurdle. Just had to win constantly at 2k mmr

(This should not be the case lmao)

Straight up feels like dota MMR and League Ranked had a weird child

Wait aww, I just learned the 2.5io cosmetics doesn't give smokeless helm option

[pliant lintel]

@spring bough did you ever fix the bug where you couldn’t cheap shot during subterfuge, my friend seems to be having the same issue

[spring bough]

yeah i stopped using the cancelaura macro on adrenaline

and i just usee adrenaline macro'd with GS now

[woven gale]

So is it just Sub is better for ST burst in BGs (Sniping EFCs) while Ass is better for teamfights?

[spring bough]

still get a lucky coin most of the time rifht off the rip

[pliant lintel]

Just breaking stealth with cheap shot as per normal I presume

[spring bough]

nope. i break it with my adrenaline macro then stun after. im a bad rogue

[woven gale]

Cause I feel like I cause a lot more chaos on the enemy team and do a lot more teamwide damage by bleeding the entire team and then going their heal and trying to focus them down as Assassin

[pliant lintel]

Weird because I always use the cancelaura macro and I’ve never had the bug hmmmn

[spring bough]

idk. it only happens in pvp for me

[pliant lintel]

Yea basically

Sub is just better in general for blitz but you won’t really notice much until high mmr

[pliant lintel]

I wonder if it’s some Weakaura or addon causing the issue, I’d ask the pve channel but I guess none of them ever press cheap shot hahaha

[spring bough]

yeah idt they had any idea cause it works in keys fine

its just something with rated matches that fks the macro

[woven gale]

Makes sense, atm I feel like im often needing to teamfight in 1800 and below

Or teamfight then bail so I can sneak

[pliant lintel]

At 1800 I’d probably just harass healers, warlocks & boomies with garrotte and cheap shots but I don’t play assas

[woven gale]

Funnily enough my blitz lobbies are like 1-2 rets, 1-3 Marksman, 1-2 Warriors

[pliant lintel]

Yea I’m honestly not surprised

I’d imagine it’s hard for assa because it’s always ret def atm and ret giga counters assa

At least with sub you can kill a ret

[outer sky]

5-1 in a double ret lobby. I will take it

[woven gale]

I can kill a ret with ass but its gonna take a while

Basically use the flag to bait out their CC break CDs, flee after I get a bubble and trinket, then come back once DRs up so I get the other. Either go in since they have no defensives now or back up again if they are immune and then jump them.

By the time that all plays out though someone can rotate over

Its very obvious that you are using Assassins kit to burn paladins defensives for a go/cap

Also yeah, my lock has special effects able to be disabled on their helm, why is Rogue not able to?

[dark kernel]

The fury here is way more concerning to me

I get 100 0 by fury atm if I don't pre feint

[outer sky]

he went 3-3

[rocky edge]

What PVP talents are we taking as Sin? I’ve been running Hemo, Smoke, and Preemptive Maneuver and just want to make sure that’s accurate

[potent pivot]

mhm

you can swap for disarm/tricks pvp talent sometimes

[rocky edge]

Sweet, thank you!

New to PVP in general but have really been liking Sin so here we are lmao

[woven gale]

Tempted to finish leveling my monk and do mistweaver

Buuuuut I also got no clue if they are any good at all atm

[jaunty mirage]

You love to see it

[jaunty mirage]

And really it’s mostly just swapping between hemo and disarm

[stoic spruce]

have you tried Runescape Dragonwilds

[potent pivot]

You can swap preemptive and even bomb out

Depends on comps

[potent pivot]

I haven’t yet, it’s still in early access or w/e. I do plan on trying it though for sure

Either when it full releases, or when I’m a bit bored of regular osrs

[stoic spruce]

it looks interesting. I'm gonna try it out as well

[potent pivot]

I think it’ll be a fun game to play through once or twice

Since it’s just a survival game not an mmo

[outer sky]

Y'all ever see someone die in the middle of taking a warlock gate? lol it's so funny to watch

[waxen meteor]

bomb is almost mandatory, rest all be optional, hemo, disarm, feint, from sky and even kidney one are all good

[hybrid sapphire]

not sure what im doing wrong in shuffle

feel like im missing a key part of the puzzle

[woven gale]

Also something seems broken with Soloshuffle mmr atm

3 4-2s and a 3-3 = Gaining 3 MMR.

At the 1790 area

[vocal surge]

I sure love losing a 1v1

because Ethereal Reaping proc'd on Gouge

My sprint's buggy lol

its lasting ~24s

Lol

Forced a frost mage and pally to pop immunities at the same time

while I was at 20% hp

[stoic spruce]

logged in to wow for not even a full minute and decided I had my fill for the night lol

are the new trading post rewards out?

its not

rip

[spring bough]

what why

[stoic spruce]

nothing to do

[spring bough]

midnight PST right

[stoic spruce]

11 hours from now

[spring bough]

does it change on server reset or before then

[stoic spruce]

no clue tbh

[spring bough]

might be up in a few hours if its midnight server time

[hybrid sapphire]

im hardstuck in shuffle and idk how to determine what im doing wrong so im just gonna do this

[spring bough]

dedication

[hybrid sapphire]

not rly more like im going fucking nuts bc i cant see a pattern in my WLR its just constantly at 2.1 no matter what

[pastel burrow]

p sure its in like 10 minutes or an hour and 10

[stoic spruce]

I logged in not long ago and it said 11 hours

so its gotta be server time

[pastel burrow]

it better be in 10 minutes so i can prove you wrong and start a fight

[stoic spruce]

go check lol

[spring bough]

guys me and pirate just dominate an outlaw in skirms so bad lol

[stoic spruce]

sick

[vocal surge]

mfw I pop Blade Flurry + Killing Spree

and the mage in my team blinks in the middle of a trio

and blast waves them away from me

[outer sky]

Record some games and we can help you out

[hybrid sapphire]

what software do i use

[languid ravine]

yo that is the entire rogue pvp discord on that picture

[outer sky]

Idk when I need to record a game i just use the print screen button on my keyboard

[halcyon timber]

Can use OBS (free software) . I dunno about other stuff.

[vocal surge]

I like how

I recorded a clip

of me n VanCleef crapping on a trio

and the audio

sounds otherworldly

and bad

Like

my mic on this crappy headset's so bad

it picked up the music I had blasting despite being muted

and translated it to Space Frequencies translated to sound format

[wet crown]

Obs is best

[vocal surge]

My assa partner dies

whilst fighting the arcane mage

and I am popping the Destro lock

so I force Sudden Demise on the Arcane Mage by popping a few Crackshots on him

and ate the Destro lock

best part was Demo lock used up his portal early after I retreated behind the same pillar when he popped Dark Pact

[river pollen]

@potent pivot found a more concrete example of what i was saying, i shadowstepped on the ground instead of behind the weapon

gat damn its almost 4am

gonna go to bed

[gusty hedge]

they stopped letting you Shadow step these years ago

[royal portal]

Nerf Outlaw / too much burst damage

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

I will, don't worry about it

[stoic spruce]

He saw trill CC the enemy team and let his MM teammate one shot

Thinks the rogue did it

Smh

[stoic spruce]

You a papa yet?

[wintry dew]

In about 5 weeks if everything goes well

[stoic spruce]

Yippee!!

[dark kernel]

Just you wait

[stoic spruce]

About 5 weeks to be exact

[orchid plinth]

lmao I thought I remembered that guy

[gleaming sentinel]

Paladin player spotted

[orchid plinth]

the occasional jump in here to cry about outlaw

[potent pivot]

yeah i also thought it was familiar

just someone being cringe nbd

[night vector]

Every time retri discord is shut down he comes here to complain?

[potent pivot]

they aren't in the pally discord

just rogue and mage

[static holly]

Is rog that bad or is blitz just so shitty?

Lost 5 in row 😑

[potent pivot]

rogue is alright, and quite good in blitz

[static holly]

I love when they turn in the flag on eots without any reason 🤣

He even ask and everyone told him not to do it

Unnecessary lose

[spring bough]

What one lol

[gleaming sentinel]

doing a shuff on lock

ret starts 3-1, first rd on my team he types "ret is not ok lol"

then immeditely dies in the opener

peak

cinema

[wet crown]

He wasn't wrong

[gleaming sentinel]

i get it mistakes happen, but that made me laugh out loud

[vocal surge]

The one with the druid healer

Their DPS took 90% of their hp on the opener

[spring bough]

Everytime someone says some shit like that before a solo I turn the camera on

Cause you know what’s about to happen to them

[thorny sable]

Noob question: Haven't played rogue in awhile and was trying Ass/FB. What's up with Kingsbane? I know it does mad damage on dummy but it seems like whenever I check details after a fight in real pvp, it did like only a few ticks of damage or just didn't do much. What removes it? Is it only good with set bonus this season and will people not use it after set bonus is gone? Did I just have bad luck? Thanks for info.

[dark kernel]

Pvp modifiers reduce the damage, but it's still very good and yes with 2pc it does a lot more because of coin flips

[potent pivot]

a few things can remove it

if you aren't actively applying poisons while KB is ticking its damage won't ramp as much as well

but yeah the main point of using it this season is with the tier set for the coins

[jaunty mirage]

You’ll randomly delete someone from like 30% hp and then go “ahhh ok I see it”

[thorny sable]

Okay, thank you.

[jaunty mirage]

Will feel even better if it’s a ret paladin

[dark kernel]

Remember ret paladins aren't people. There is nobody actually behind the character.

[spring bough]

No souls

Just empties

[vocal surge]

The new Midnight Assa rework looking fancy

Sadly its for Valeera only and not Player Assa Rogues xD

[potent pivot]

rogue talent changes for midnight are up on wowhead

[molten hedge]

I just heard no more quarter cc

Sub ded

🤣

[potent pivot]

huh

crackshot removed

_>

[molten hedge]

Idk someone posted in my friends disc

I didn’t read it

[gleaming pawn]

These talent changes are going to be something, that’s for sure

[vocal fog]

assa and sub trees arent there

[molten hedge]

They’re working extra hard on them

For sure

[vocal fog]

surely

[molten hedge]

Wdym

U just scroll right

[gleaming pawn]

If Rogue is getting simplified to remove reliance on WAs to track all of our bullshit, the class won’t be recognizable

[vocal fog]

oh its fixed now

[molten hedge]

What changed I’m too dumb to know

[potent pivot]

not a lot so far

need time to go through them

[dark kernel]

Get out

[potent pivot]

killing spree and blade rush swapping places

lmao

[vocal fog]

flag got shot

[potent pivot]

lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1422987996034236536/image.png?ex=68deac58&is=68dd5ad8&hm=2cb5438e5cb93b16ef2190b2a2b471356df989f0af20b6d12e1da2ba11b4dcce&

llllllllll00000000000llllllllllllllllllll

lolololol

[gleaming pawn]

I hate these so goddamn much

[vocal fog]

is that good or bad

[potent pivot]

bad

and honestly very dumb

they're removing dance cdr

and making haste give it cdr instead

sub's worst stat

[gleaming sentinel]

Assa main

[gleaming pawn]

These may change as alpha and beta happen, but right now I think I’m finally done with Rogue. It took 30 years but Blizz has finally killed it for me

[potent pivot]

so far i haven't seen a single change i like

but the site is being very weird

[spring bough]

This will be fun in PvP

[molten hedge]

U gotta let ur ppl know

[spring bough]

Deadly pursuit sounds cool when u CCd

[wanton breach]

that pvp Q&A

[dark kernel]

You just KNOW that blizzard did this to force sub to also use haste, that's going to be fucking weirdm

[gleaming sentinel]

Adrenaline rush is a real cd now

[static holly]

There will be like 0 time realistically before release to fix most of the broken things... S1 will be fun, again

[grave basin]

why do i only see question marks?

[potent pivot]

wowhead

[grave basin]

how are you seeing icons

[potent pivot]

they aren't working for some people

[grave basin]

rip

[potent pivot]

assa/sub tree show icons for me

[grave basin]

our class tree stays exactly the same?

[potent pivot]

as well as the class tree

give it a while to load

[grave basin]

actually criminal

[potent pivot]

alacrity looks like its base haste now

[grave basin]

energy talents gated all the way down

[potent pivot]

instead of building off finishers

[wanton breach]

ngl that sounds like it kinda sucks if that is the only haste scaling

[grave basin]

ok but

why does this still exist

[potent pivot]

don't ask me

[grave basin]

like no fucking way right

shadowheart is the limit test

litmus*

[potent pivot]

they removed Flag and Dance CDR

actually unhinged

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah these changes suck

[grave basin]

i dont see

UHUH

am i trippin

@stoic spruce youve been summoned

[potent pivot]

IC is gone

LMAO

[gleaming sentinel]

Elite reduced to 2300

[gleaming pawn]

Makes sense, since they removed Crackshot

[gleaming sentinel]

[grave basin]

??

where is that

in the live qna?

[gleaming sentinel]

PvP Q n a yea

[grave basin]

fuck i need to sleep right now but all this piss is being released at once

[stoic spruce]

yeha outlaw is fun in pvp again

[sharp sierra]

15 years of no work towards making the base game not need addons and we are just supposed they nail it out the gate 😭

[stoic spruce]

imma tell yall rn

[potent pivot]

i didn't think things could get any worse

holy fuck was i wrong

[molten hedge]

Wouldn’t we play haste now if that goes thru

[potent pivot]

all of sub's damage scales of vers and mastery

but this basically FORCES some haste

same shit they did to outlaw man and everyone hates it

[grave basin]

wtf is happening to uh dk

looks like it's doing some mini game summoning thing

[gleaming pawn]

Just sleep, we’ll have a better idea of how big this nuke is when you wake back up

[grave basin]

summon and putrify?

[potent pivot]

its actually insane

[grave basin]

ok im gonna sleep

ree

[stoic spruce]

melee demo lock

as it should be

[grave basin]

it's so confusing

to read all the UH changes at once

also feral tree looks much better now

no more "build a berserk"

we chomping?

[potent pivot]

tea has no mastery

[gleaming pawn]

It never should have had it though imo, it should have been buffed to actually be a useful energy tool in the first place

[vocal fog]

crimson tempest spreads garrote and rupture

[gleaming pawn]

Removing the mastery and leaving it as a trash energy tool though is insane and on brand for this shit fest

[grave basin]

wtf is happening to survival

[vocal fog]

thats why ic is gone i guess

[grave basin]

what is this

[potent pivot]

lol CT removed and turned into IC

[grave basin]

that's literally just killign spree

[potent pivot]

@jaunty osprey wya

[molten hedge]

We gotta close the discord rn boys

[potent pivot]

MA/VV are gone

SB/TTK/SBS

all gone

AP gone

assa kinda gutted

[weak willow]

Guys how is sub doing on pvp rn

if bad

which spec is good on shuffle or 2v2

[potent pivot]

sub is fine

can play w/e rn

[grave basin]

so like

hunters just lost scatter?

and kill shot?

and explosive shot?

[stoic spruce]

good

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

theyre wayyy too slippery

[grave basin]

how did thye prune scatter

it'sbeen with hunters for 20 years

[weak willow]

someone said sub is pretty bad but assas is good right now

so its a lie

[grave basin]

i mean good and bad are relative right

[weak willow]

well damage ofc

assas has more

normally

but sub has lots of cc

[potent pivot]

overall dps doesn't always matter

[weak willow]

so if sub is good for 2v2 i would play

[potent pivot]

sub does burst damage

[weak willow]

but assas looks better for 2v2s

[potent pivot]

no

[vocal fog]

oh cold blood is gone too

[weak willow]

sub is better?

[molten hedge]

P sure I saw it

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't say either is better than the other

because it can depend on your comp

and enemy comp

[vocal fog]

its a passive now

[potent pivot]

both are good, player whichever

[weak willow]

its always gonna be with holy prie

my sup

or feral druid

idk how good is playing with feral tho

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk I think outlaw might be kinda slick in PvP. ADR a cd now and vanish is a utility spell again

[weak willow]

i don't like outlaw

[tight hill]

nothing will save your target from you... and your 10% envenom dmg LMAO

[potent pivot]

if they buff envenom

[night vector]

"Blizzard is rolling out their proposed addon changes with the launch of Midnight, removing the ability for addons to read combat state and information in real time"

Does stuff like CC cast by other ppl count as combat state? Or is this just Raid shenanigans?

[potent pivot]

fuck it

[grave basin]

they just pruned blood talons

[potent pivot]

if assa does good st then thats all ill care about

[tight hill]

is garrote silence gone?

[grave basin]

theres no more bloodtalons

holy fuck

[molten hedge]

Is it only lions whatever

Or neither

[potent pivot]

no

[gleaming pawn]

This would be the only saving grace of gutting all the other tools, so fingers crossed

[tight hill]

ahh phew

[vocal fog]

assa also has haste talents

[potent pivot]

deathmark reworked

[grave basin]

both gone

[gleaming sentinel]

If I can still play fatebound assa similar to now I’m good

It’s fun

[potent pivot]

venemous wounds nerfed a bit

[tight hill]

you have to take amp poison for 20% rupture damage

i dont see the vision

[potent pivot]

because the vision is fried as fuck

[tight hill]

looking kinda cooked

deep fried

[grave basin]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

why is this on a choice node!!!

i cant have both?

what the fuck blizzard

[gleaming sentinel]

Midnight pruning gonna make people so mad loll

[potent pivot]

it seems like they're cutting things back

and making things like they were in SL

[grave basin]

bro i NEED BOTH

[potent pivot]

but with hero trees

[grave basin]

DONT TAKE AWAY MUH BUTTONS MANG

[potent pivot]

shiv is gone btw

[tight hill]

surv hunter getting shotguns

[potent pivot]

lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

Maybe fried take but simpler = good

[potent pivot]

shiv is no longer a dps CD

[grave basin]

that's just fury of the eagle renamed

[potent pivot]

[tight hill]

lolol

[sharp sierra]

so is everything just slowing down

[potent pivot]

less buttons

less energy

whispyr is going over the talent changes on stream

[gleaming pawn]

They want to bring all classes to a simpler baseline so you don’t feel like addons are mandatory to play your class. Button bloat is a big cause of that. Making classes a bit simpler is not a bad thing

[tight hill]

i feel like these gotta be wrong... that choice node

[grave basin]

ww has rwk now

[molten hedge]

wtf

[potent pivot]

@outer sky you seeing this

[tight hill]

meanwhile new fury capstone

[potent pivot]

lmfao they gave warr a cheat death????

[gleaming pawn]

Can’t wait to see the shitshow of Apex talents with all this

[tight hill]

8 second immunity cheat death

[grave basin]

In the first season of Midnight, the top tier cutoff for PvP rewards will be reduced from 2400 to 2300, making it a little less exclusive.
There's a lot more that they'd like to do with the system over time, similar to Mythic+ offering new titles, resilient system, etc. It's definitely an area they want to focus on.

[tight hill]

lmao

[grave basin]

resil mmr?

no more smurfs?

[spring bough]

Where did u read this

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-developer-q-a-liveblog-378677#pvp

[spring bough]

Are they giving glad mounts to solo shuffle and blitz

All I wanna know

[grave basin]

not mentioned

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fully-collecting-a-class-set-appearance-unlocks-all-lower-difficulty-variants-378684

yoo big

[spring bough]

Oh sick so when I get mythic I get the rest 🔥

[potent pivot]

ngl these reworks may be the end for me

[grave basin]

they also pruned malefic rapture from affly

[gleaming pawn]

Embrace the doom with me

[gleaming sentinel]

Never feels great losing a bunch of stuff

[potent pivot]

nah these are crazy as fuck

[tight hill]

ok this is on the warr tree, i would take these with a pinch of salt aint no way thats the correct talents on a choice node

[grave basin]

they gave haste scaling and removed flag

from sub

[potent pivot]

i know

[grave basin]

is that really that bad

[potent pivot]

its insanity

literally the worst thing they could've done

literally

[grave basin]

[woven gale]

I straight up do not get wows mmr at all. 2 4-2s I gain 3 MMR. Two 3-3s I gain no MMR. A single 1-5 where I am straight up being griefed by 2 players? -50mmr.

[potent pivot]

they really said

[grave basin]

i really feel liek goremaws is such a missed opportunity

[potent pivot]

'we forced outlaw to stack haste and everyone hates it, lets give it to sub too'

like what the fuck

[gleaming sentinel]

Resil cr would be so crazy

[grave basin]

i mean theyve alrdy done that with blade flurry

it's the cheap way out

first time.jpg

[grave basin]

uiron good for the game

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah forcing a class to have to have a stat floor to be functional goes against their whole design ethos but here we are spreading it to Sub

[grave basin]

stat tax**

[gleaming sentinel]

What? lol

[grave basin]

unironically good for the game

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh yea

[grave basin]

i cant process all of this, will wait for the venruki/supa soyjack face videos tmr

MASSIVE CLASS CHANGES, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

[tight hill]

MIDNIGHT CLASS TIER LIST on repeat every patch notes

free content

[gleaming sentinel]

CLASS CHANGES TIER LIST

[tight hill]

joke is i will watch all of them

[gleaming sentinel]

Real

[fathom crag]

https://x.com/skillcapped/status/1973429438240149998

Skill Capped (@skillcapped)

Cheap Shot now has a 12 second cooldown.

X · Oct 1, 2025, 4:46 PM

buff rogue

[sharp sierra]

[tight hill]

is that real lmao

what is sub now

[fathom crag]

just read the whole thread

interesting changes

[night vector]

"Right now, there's no exceptions for the addons in terms of the type of gameplay mode that you're in, so that does include PVP. However, we are taking the opportunity to improve the nameplates as well to make those more effective. So things like being able to see your team's status on their cooldowns, that will be a part of the HUD itself, as well as nameplates that will now show things like crowd control effects during PVP matches. So right on your nameplate, you'll be able to see which person has crowd control effects on them much more clearly."
Blizz gonna nuke gladius from orbit

Fuck missed part of the quote

[gleaming sentinel]

Holy

[gleaming pawn]

Combat addons are dead in Midnight, but the main use of Gladius is DR tracking which still won’t be on nameplates because it’s not an API tracked thing

[potent pivot]

lol….

Game is dead boys

[night vector]

Sub doesnt get anything removed-> free rank1

[fathom crag]

thing is theres no triple dr anymore its gone

and tooltip says cheap shot is 6sec

might be pve tho

[woven gale]

Where’s the list of changes

[fathom crag]

https://x.com/skillcapped/status/1973428624406769951

Skill Capped (@skillcapped)

These are the CRAZIEST PvP changes coming in Midnight 👇 🧵

X · Oct 1, 2025, 4:43 PM

[dark moon]

what the hell is this piece of shit change?

[gleaming pawn]

The devs literally said “we’re improving pvp guys, we’re adding a test mode so you can learn!” And then have changes like destroying cheap shot

[woven gale]

Are these part of PvP or in general

[acoustic junco]

Cheapshot and kidney were raised in duration for pve during tww

[tight hill]

In general, they’ve moved a load PvP talents on to normal talents

[molten hedge]

Wasn’t that a meme

[woven gale]

I straight up can’t see the skillcapped link it leads me nowhere

[vocal fog]

so whats the point of sub now

[gleaming sentinel]

Insane insane insane

Triple Dr cc going away is such a nice change idc

[gleaming pawn]

Dance does not even boost your damage anymore, Sub is so fucked

[jolly sierra]

wtf is this

[tight hill]

Well what’s the point in dance if cheap shot has cd and it does no dmg buff lol

[gleaming pawn]

The “rework” that is destroying the class from orbit

[molten hedge]

I’m confused is the cheap shot thing real

[gleaming sentinel]

You can’t triple Dr stun anyway

[molten hedge]

That makes no sense

[gleaming sentinel]

So you kidney off and double cheap now

[jolly sierra]

CC now fully DRs after 2 applications, down from 3, and the DR timer is now 16 seconds, down from 18 seconds.

WHAT THE HECK

[acoustic junco]

Good

[sharp sierra]

that new dh looks like fun

lots of aoe

[gleaming sentinel]

I love it

[vocal fog]

https://x.com/skillcapped/status/1973443919112515773

Skill Capped (@skillcapped)

Correction: Cheap Shot has a 12 second CD, but as Sub Shadowdance allows it to ignore it's cooldown once.

X · Oct 1, 2025, 5:44 PM

???

[jolly sierra]

elite is dropped from 2k4 to 2k3

well, that is nice

[potent pivot]

did you see the assa changes

[gleaming pawn]

There’s a lot of changes that is going to make our damage weird, but we are going to lose defensive abilities so Rogue will just fucking die, or have no way to save teammates

[jolly sierra]

say

[potent pivot]

its too much to say

shiv no longer a dps CD, sbs gone, tons of talents removed

IC gone

[woven gale]

So like a warlock fear spamming someone instantly drs?

[potent pivot]

CT is gone

[woven gale]

Is infernal into havoc coil going to make it impossible for anyone to Stun the enemies?

If so that sounds horrendous for playing with a warlock. Their go and survivability is going to scree you

[gleaming pawn]

Assa is going to be about envenom pooling and chaining, which is not a pvp friendly play style. Assa might just be dead in pvp

[woven gale]

Is outlaw gonna get big damage help or is it gonna flounder about even with the Dr changes

[fathom crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699642546833326150/1423004328024735745/image.png?ex=68debb8d&is=68dd6a0d&hm=a8aa87f7c3b551ff1ddae13206261b7c447d731abb4ae27437d161035d017115&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

fury warrior looking nasty

[potent pivot]

yep

[molten hedge]

At least unlike cheat death if u get healed u still die

If u don’t kill

[woven gale]

Was tempted to level a warrior for Legion Remix maybe I will

(Though I also wanted another rogue)

[spring bough]

I’m gonna stop looking at talents and changes

Cause u guys know they are gonna change 10 times over before release

[potent pivot]

thats funny

[spring bough]

Why’s that funny happened with DF and TWW lol

[gleaming pawn]

It’s like VanCleef has never played WoW before

[potent pivot]

past like 3 expansions we barely saw changes from the alpha/beta propositions

[gleaming pawn]

Our hero talents are still their pre-alpha iterations, Rogue has been the last to get dev passes if any at all for several expansions

[molten hedge]

Rog still gonna be op bet

[gleaming pawn]

Still? Rogue hasn’t been OP outside the first week of a couple expansions either

[static holly]

Idc I always play rogue

[molten hedge]

It’s a high skill ceiling class. So for the majority of us here (me included) it’s not nearly as good

[jaunty osprey]

Sup

I’m in Japan

[potent pivot]

oh

[potent pivot]

huge reworks

to classes and pvp

for midnight

[jaunty osprey]

Oh yeah

I knew all the changes already

[potent pivot]

but enjoy japan

[potent pivot]

stop the cap

[jaunty osprey]

I’ll send u

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

Screenshot

In pm

[potent pivot]

i'm just kiddin

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot said sub ded

[spring bough]

What’s the Dr changes

[gusty hedge]

dam so is outlaw dead midnight ?

do i need to find a new class to main

[molten hedge]

Full then half. No 1/4

[gleaming pawn]

A high skill ceiling has nothing to do with it. Compare the top rogues in the world to middling players of say a devoker or arcane mage or hunter for instance and you’ll see what OP actually means

[molten hedge]

You just can’t do the shit you can on devoker or hunter that you can on rog. Thats why u don’t see it in AWC as much or at all. And thats why skill ceiling does matter

[languid ravine]

Spent an entire BG without applying one deathstalkers mark, still second in damage

[potent pivot]

at least in midnight it will finally work off garrote instead of ambush

[languid ravine]

why not Cheap shot

[jolly sierra]

ah

[languid ravine]

why cant I apply it outside of stealth

fkshit

[jolly sierra]

time to play ret again then

xd

how dissspointing

[potent pivot]

you can, in midnight

[languid ravine]

Thank you Trickz I needed that

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-ted2-ted2gifs-amaze-gif-17288765032726579026

[fading blade]

12 sec cheap cd lmao

[potent pivot]

2 charges

but yep

[gleaming pawn]

By this logic Rogue should never lose AWC, which is far from the case. A Rogue in AWC enables their teammates to get kills, and they are losing those tools btw. OP has not described Rogue pvp in a long time

[jolly sierra]

no more cc spam

[vocal fog]

ct is a builder now

[wet crown]

welp

https://tenor.com/view/yamato-sinking-ship-battleship-gif-21486394

[spring bough]

Restless no longer reduces vanish 😭

[spring bough]

Damn rogue cooked?

[dark kernel]

So what class do we reroll

Rogue looks absolutely destroyed, all 3 specs

[potent pivot]

Cyclone not mentioned in the patch notes at all

[fathom crag]

https://www.twitch.tv/venruki

[spring bough]

Blizz “lets fuck rogues” blizz “let’s keep another spammable CC for Druid cause fuck rogues”

[wet crown]

remove cheap shot's shared stun dr then

_>

[potent pivot]

Why do you link this rogue hater here

[wet crown]

shit's ridic

[spring bough]

Get venruki out this chat

[potent pivot]

[wet crown]

Venruki made the worst tier list I've ever seen in my life recently

[jolly sierra]

@fluid trench thoughts about ret in midnight?

[wet crown]

so that was funny

[spring bough]

Everytime I see venruki in shuffle I play lights out with the goal of him going 0-6

[potent pivot]

He’s playing alpha

On the new DH spec

I think maximum is also playing alpha

[wet crown]

I get my invite tomorrow

totes

[dark kernel]

Y'all see swift slasher in the baseline tree?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Cold blood also changed

[dark kernel]

Interesting for Sub and yeah that looks actually good

The leeching venom talent being 7% leech could be...pretty meaty

That's not a small amount over a game

[potent pivot]

Idk now it feels like sub will have nothing to do outside of dance

[pliant lintel]

so are we just going to be temu warriors in midnight then?

[potent pivot]

If you’re not farming CDR… what… are you doing?

[fluid trench]

It’s opening the door for more skill expression and doesn’t look as brain dead

[dark kernel]

Fatebound has a new energy talent too

[fluid trench]

More or less it’ll shut out a lot of the fotm rerollers from what I’m seeing now but we’ll see how it goes live

[tight hill]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-alpha-development-notes-378688?utm_source=discord-webhook

full class notes in here

wonder if they fix sudden demise

[outer sky]

Midnight changes??

[potent pivot]

yeah

just a warning

they're kinda rough

[dark kernel]

So it looks like crack shot got kind of baked into Ace Up your Sleeve

And nerfed

[potent pivot]

too many changes to screenshot

[outer sky]

Yeah im gunna look it all up here shortly

[potent pivot]

CT got removed

and changed into a builder

and its semi IC now

[tight hill]

the dev notes say CT spreads bleeds now

[potent pivot]

as i said

its semi IC now

[tight hill]

ah yeh

[potent pivot]

it no longer does an aoe damage bleed

[dark kernel]

I'm honestly less mad about outlaw after reading through

It looks okay, cautious optimism

[potent pivot]

where is @stoic spruce

[stoic spruce]

sup

[potent pivot]

i'm not seeing any crackshot ranting

and thats

weird