pvp

[stoic spruce]

Regardless

I forgot that talent existed tbh

[outer sky]

I did to until I saw someone playing it today

I suspect shaman rez totem works the same way

[stoic spruce]

They also have a debuff where if they don't heal X amount they just won't rez at all

That's why it fell off so hard in SL

Unless they removed it

You should test

Idk a priest that's on atm and I'm at work

I bet it's because the health they get when they come back is effected by damp

That sounds like a pve talent

[outer sky]

They have a pvp talent that gives them on demand angel form. Its considered mandatory. But it stops you from going angel when you die which means you cant rez. So the talent is basically useless because a mandatory pvp talent keeps it from procing

[spring bough]

Tell that to these dumbass shuffle healers when I sit in an entire HOJ when they coulda removed it

[gleaming sentinel]

yea idk im going back to devastation

turn the brain off

do big dam

[sharp sierra]

Please unbind your cauterize to make it fair for the rogue matchups

Be the change you want to see

[spring bough]

BM for me 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

im doing like 3million dps....

[spring bough]

ronnie Coleman voice YEAH BUDDY

Feels good to be doing damage for once this season 😂

[wet crown]

That's why the good ones hoj the healer

30s goes are genuinely stupid. They can burst like four times before most classes get a second

[languid ravine]

I think the best palas HoJ dps when enemy healer is locked but you wouldnt believe how easy it is to stun healers in shuffle man like where are you standing can you press fade please jesus

[empty copper]

best spec for 1800 for solo

?

[pliant lintel]

ret

[wet crown]

honestly the amount of shit healers have that just says 'no' to even damaging them is stupid.

The ridiculous ttk r/n aside

[jolly sierra]

ret

[empty copper]

rogue

not paladin tyvm

[potent pivot]

can kinda play w/e spec you want

[empty copper]

still debating sub rogue or assa

[spring bough]

BM

[jolly sierra]

ret

[spring bough]

you

[jolly sierra]

ye

[wet crown]

ret

[glass hazel]

for 1800 whatever

if not rogue then ret\bm literally 10 games or less

[spring bough]

literally 2100 in 7 lobbys

[gleaming sentinel]

soon as i get these weapons from crates im gonna send dragon

[woven gale]

Is there a way to make outlaw good in BGBlitz?

[spring bough]

it is. just need ques to pop lol

[gleaming sentinel]

purely focus on objectives

[wanton breach]

find the error

[woven gale]

What happens anyway if you burn a super charge from full combo points?

[potent pivot]

wdym

it does more damage

as if you spent +3 combo points

[woven gale]

I mean the ability things don't say like 10 combo point damage so I wasn't sure if it still benefits or not at that point

[potent pivot]

ye, it does

whatever point you spend on, it just adds the +2/+3 on top

[languid ravine]

cant socket Pants ya idiot

[gleaming sentinel]

you spend a pvp thing on that? lol

[languid ravine]

he mustve been saving up those gilded crests for later

[stoic spruce]

GOOOBER

[woven gale]

Something about sticking to a MW flag carrier the entire time and making their treck to base take 5 years is hillarious

[wanton breach]

not mine

[woven gale]

If your trying to burst on the opener with outlaw should you just spam between the eyes even if its only 4-5 combo points for the resets?

[potent pivot]

the general rules are finish on 6 or more normally, and 5 or more during subterfuge

basically all the rotational rules are the same as pve, so you can look at the #outlaw-faq

[severe helm]

fatebound is now 5 always

and trickster is 6 always

small optimizations

[potent pivot]

faq isn't updated then or

[severe helm]

oh maybe it isnt yet

I though tit was for fatebound

but not for trickster

[potent pivot]

i was just checking the simplified prio list

[severe helm]

yeah theres been a lot of random tiny changes so I think solo is just choosing when to make changes to faq to not confuse people

also actually now that I think of it this might be only for kir

so I take back my comment lol

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw is fine

[gleaming sentinel]

large dam.

[spring bough]

devo lookin good

[dark kernel]

came back to shuffle tonight, should not have taken a 3 week break

[merry zodiac]

did you like

take a three week break

and then jump right into a shuffle

without any warmup

[jolly sierra]

i finished tww it seems

no reason to play anymore

[gusty hedge]

yeah 5 for fatebound cuz coin flips on 5+ cp. finishers in sub window( also wouldnt waste on less xo even with supercharger)(also read half the convo after sent the message xD)

[outer sky]

Alright! We are officially honor geared! Time to farm!!

[empty copper]

so im learning sub rogue atm

but i dont remember having thistle tea on my bar in past

do i macro thistle with Shadowblades for burst

or

[potent pivot]

if you're going to macro it just put it on dance

[empty copper]

true both 1 min cd, i need to find how do you burst properly aswell

love the learning curve behind it

[potent pivot]

at the end of the day its basically just strike->evis

while not gapping your stuns

[empty copper]

i mean i went from feral to sub rogue which takes time to understand how it works so 😄

im always debating cheapshot or kidney on go, but i always think kidney should be on focus target like healer

same with on my feral maim the healer and then go on main target burst

[potent pivot]

i mean thats basically the same class ngl

you just don't get to spam clones

but like a lot of the rotational concepts are the same

[empty copper]

i see but what do you press outside dances

maintain rupture and spam gloomblade and evisi to trigger CDR to get dance back fast?

[potent pivot]

yep

[empty copper]

atm i keep getting stomped by rets and warriors

still trying to figure out how to outplay them

[untold remnant]

Against ret/war you could play Trickster and go nimble flurry cleave PvE on them. But in the end they will outcleave you

[spring bough]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/mqrLxjajYk

PvP road map 🔥

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Legit every post on the forums is complaining about ret. If this was going on with rogues blizzard would have just deleted the entire class from the game by now

[dark moon]

If I knew how to find the forums I'd check out the thread that's hot on the bottom

[empty copper]

oh where are the days when we had customer support live chat

instead of ai generated responses

[dark moon]

Too expensive, we don't deserve it

[jolly sierra]

when they used to have an HQ in versalles

[jolly sierra]

they are still targeting templar wtf

[empty copper]

also

when i burst do i open with shadowstrike --> rupture -->dance cheapshot evi

or you dont press rupture at all on big opener with burst

[outer sky]

What do you mean?

[potent pivot]

this

[empty copper]

also shadow tech feels so weird to press

does no damage

[potent pivot]

it does

[empty copper]

my evi does more tho

[potent pivot]

depends on the evis

a normal evis, no

tech hits multiple times

per cast

[empty copper]

so its smart to use tech outside burst windows

[potent pivot]

no

that makes no sense

you use it during your burst

[jolly sierra]

they wanna nerf the wrong spec again

instead the right one

XD

that solves nothing

[outer sky]

Who's they?

Im confused how you got that from my screenshot

[jolly sierra]

the idiots in the forums

wanting to nerf hammer of light

[outer sky]

When ret does get nerfed it'll probably be something stupid like "Dawnlight damage reduced by 4%"

[empty copper]

[spring bough]

Guys…. I haven’t been in a guild on retail since wrath… finally joined one and smashed heroic raid last night on the BM lol

Feels good not to have to LFG

[outer sky]

Does anyone actually know why ret is more busted this season than last season?

Like what changed

[jolly sierra]

they stacked buffs

[sharp sierra]

It’s entire toolkit completely disrupts this burst meta and the fact that their dot does most damage is cringe considering they can do a full rotation while bubbled

[jolly sierra]

dawnlight and avatar of sun went buffed by A LOT

[sharp sierra]

Image a arcane mage doing a full burst while in ice block

[jolly sierra]

and they are shit in pve

[sharp sierra]

Or fuck imagine a mage MOVING in ice block

[jolly sierra]

so they didn't nerfed anything

both dawnlight and avatar are both of their main damage sources

[keen canopy]

yeah i started playing my Spriest more because they have mass dispel

[outer sky]

Yeah but thats how bubble always worked

[fluid trench]

The ret discord kills me

[jolly sierra]

dude for real

for stuff like that

is the reason rets are the bullied kids in wow pvp communities

[fluid trench]

It’s the same guy hovering 2.2-2.3 in shuffle every time blaming everything but how he plays

I’ve been 2.6 in 3s and 2.4 in shuffle as ret the problem ain’t ret it’s the player

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[dark kernel]

I had a game last night where I got kited harder by a devoker as outlaw than a ret pal did

Class has no right to bitch

[fluid trench]

If I post there I’m gonna get banned, tired of people saying we (rets) are bad for xyz reason it’s all excuses. Get good, get swole, get points

All I do now is block out names and share 😆

To be a little more critical and less shit talking - even if other classes do more than ret, ret has more utility than even hpal - every spec he listed ret has a direct answer and counter to the problem points

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah but for a very long time they couldn’t do damage while invuln

[fluid trench]

I’d heavily argue the three most broken abilities in the game right now are sanc spellbop and searing glare

[jaunty mirage]

I don’t care if ret moves around in bubble but being able to do full damage is wild

At least in pvp

[fluid trench]

Thoughts on forbearance reducing damage done by 10% in PvP?

As a bandaid

Or maybe making it so you can’t wake of ashes during bubble

[dark kernel]

Searing glare is 100% way more broken than anyone acknowledges

[fluid trench]

I use it to stop clones sheep’s and kill pressure

[dark kernel]

It's a decently fast cast, large range, and 4 seconds of melee and spell misses is large

[fluid trench]

It’s a group wide defensive

[dark kernel]

I feel like that ability working on spells is what pushes it over the edge

[jolly sierra]

ret objectively is a very good spec

its a support + a dps

[noble venture]

How many hours a week do you think someone could be expected to queue and vod review to get gladiator? Even if it's just your own experience

[jolly sierra]

imo they worth 1.5 persons as players

but the problem is the ret community itself

XD

[fluid trench]

My experience was 2 days but I queued 2 20 hour days at the end of a season, realistically you can get by with much lower

[severe helm]

its 50 wins

thats a lot of time

[severe helm]

it entirely depends on how good you are

some people take multiple seasons to get good enough to even be in glad range

[potent pivot]

definitely wouldn't expect it to come in 2 days

[fluid trench]

Yeah absolutely not

I was crackheading it

[waxen meteor]

Searing glare can literally cap the base in blitz

It's kinda funny when it's ret sits vs a ret stealing base

[fluid trench]

Searing glare is pausing the game to help mom with the dishes

[waxen meteor]

if you get baited for kick

the other can just Searing glare and cap

the sitter have to bubble

you can't even trinket it

and if bubble is at CD, hahahaha

[jolly sierra]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1CCUmWLzXF/

they are adoctrinating ppl into ret

[wet crown]

no micro cc

has searing glare, rep, the blind, hoj

fuck off

[wet crown]

I love this meme so much

[fluid trench]

I’ve kicked other rets down 400,000 flights of stairs so far

[wet crown]

searing should be a rogue ability j/s

Just a cloud of pocket lint or some shite.

[fluid trench]

It’s pocket sand

Blinding powder

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[wet crown]

do they even need holy power to use hoj

[fluid trench]

No

[wet crown]

luh

mao

[fluid trench]

Same with blind rep sear

No power required

[gleaming sentinel]

Delete searing glare

A cc in the game you can’t trinket in paladins kit is bananas

[wet crown]

A cc that makes bleeds not tick

cinema

[waxen meteor]

what for real?

i didn't realize searing glare makes bleed not tik

[fluid trench]

It makes everything miss, bleeds cc I think I saw it even deny a pally sac before

[wet crown]

HOW

WHY

[formal pebble]

Like a scuffed cyclone?

[wet crown]

I'm amazed cyclone hasn't got a cd or DR change yet

but good lord

Does searing even DR

Can I at least have garrote silence back as sub and outlaw if this shit flies

[fluid trench]

Nope, in fact you can overlap it to make sure everything misses for 12 seconds if you have 3 paladins

[wet crown]

or deep freeze on my mage

why does paladin get this

[fluid trench]

Because as a paladin, we are the biggest complainers and blame shifters since the Cold War

Every ret is completely delulu

[wet crown]

mage cant even really bully them because they are basically a ranged class

but thats more winnable than with a rogue

[gleaming sentinel]

its really crazy going from outlaw to dev evoker

and how much more of an impact i can make in solo q

[waxen meteor]

Arcane before nerf can still bully ret easily..

[wet crown]

Merge?

Ah

[waxen meteor]

nerf, my mind is broken

[wet crown]

Well yeah but it's not as free as it used to be

[waxen meteor]

haha yeah

[wet crown]

Because they can just burst you from range

[waxen meteor]

casters can still kill ret fairly fast

[wet crown]

For some reason

[waxen meteor]

and mage has a bigger range

[wet crown]

Bop not working on casters is the one saving grace.

[waxen meteor]

spellward says hi

[wet crown]

If I deathmark a paladin and he immune it I proceed to tickle while he does a quarter of my health per second through feint.

At least a warrior or dk can reasonably slug it out lol

I kinda wish outlaw had that kind of staying power in a fight

[outer sky]

whats crazy is that it causes AoE to miss. Like how does bladestorm miss while standing on top of someone lol

[wet crown]

The same way a gaping chest wound stops bleeding because the attacker currently can't see

[waxen meteor]

you can't Newton a fantasy game

fireball should burn your clothes too fire mage becomes a onlyfans spec

[wet crown]

It does light you on fire tho

[molten hedge]

how do u guys determine which is better in certain lobbies between double step and the one where u cant be slowed with 2 coins

seems like the BiS on that changes a lot

[outer sky]

You never ever take double step

[molten hedge]

curious minds like to know. why:D

[outer sky]

thats your only mobility. Increasing its CD by 33% is trolling youself. Only outlaw takes that talent because it affects grappling hook which has built in cooldown reduction

you dont ever want to increase the time youre starved for mobility

happens enough as it is

[molten hedge]

so i just had double step and it was 40 secs. then i went to the other one and step was 30 secs then i put double step back and it was 35 secs

is there some bug lol im not crazy

[molten hedge]

are there ever lobbies where youll switch to DS for bait and switch. or its just not worth atm?

[outer sky]

it extends it by more in pvp.

[molten hedge]

oh yea thats super fried then

[outer sky]

I think DS is really good into anything with a lot of pets. But thats not the official advice. I'd also drop kingsbane, cold blood, and deathmark when i take deathstalker

[molten hedge]

this is blindsaplols build what would u drop tea for

[outer sky]

you dont drop tea

[molten hedge]

oh kbane my bad

[outer sky]

thats exactly my DS build except I drop deathmark and take Master Assassin instead

[molten hedge]

he doesnt drop dmark it looks like

ahhh ok

[molten hedge]

it just feels like some lobbies it would be rly nice to have bait and switch as well as other stuff

[outer sky]

It sure can be

[wet crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-you-what-what-did-you-do-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-19389913

Not taking kb feels weird af to me already

How tf do you kill without dm

[outer sky]

we only started taking KB this season. Last 2 seasons nobody played it

deathmark isnt really helping you kill anything. If youre playing deathstalker assa, things die in one of two ways:

1. During your 12 second empowered garrote window/6 second subterfuge in CC

2. Your teammate bursts them down and you didnt really do that much to begin with

[wet crown]

That's so weird yo me.

[outer sky]

So IMO it's better to just buff that 12 second window

[wet crown]

Admittedly I pushed on fatebound because the dm>kb windows feel gnarly af

Not as much pvp xp with deathstalker sin

[outer sky]

plus DM just gets cleansed 90% of games anyway

and when you need to kill fast

its slows you down by a global

its not bursty

[wet crown]

Why focus so much on bleeds with dm, doesn't only crimson get buffed

Not your garrotes, rupture because of the mark, sure

Trying to understand it, sucks nobody streams rogue lol

[potent pivot]

because it is weird

no one else does that shit

[chrome schooner]

It's more that basically only bleeds deal damage right now, regardless of the tree, and playing FB allows you to have a big of damage from other sources (KB + Coins), but if you play the other tree you're back to having a spec with only bleeds dealing imactful damage

It's not that we "focus" on bleed so much, just that it's the only thing dealing damage right now

[wet crown]

Surely there's more to it than that though, why would players like pika and nahj ever play dm

[chrome schooner]

It's more overall damage

Since you focus more on bleeding rather than bursting one target

[wet crown]

You still do that on fatebound is what confuses me though

[chrome schooner]

Not as much

[wet crown]

Nothing in dm aside from CT is buffed iirc

[potent pivot]

huh

[chrome schooner]

You have 1 less CP with the FB build since you usually go lethality + CB

So Rupture and CT deal less dmg

[wet crown]

Bleeds

[chrome schooner]

You don't have the talent that buffs CT

[potent pivot]

what are you saying

when you say dm

[chrome schooner]

You don't have the talent that makes Rupture deal extra dmg

[wet crown]

Oh

[chrome schooner]

etc

[wet crown]

Deathstalker I meant

It ac'd ds to dm

[chrome schooner]

So it's not only CT

[wet crown]

I'm gonna probably play a bit with ds next time I play, it's a more familiar playstyle

[outer sky]

CT, rupture, and extra lethal dose stacks

[wet crown]

But fb just erases people

[outer sky]

all buffed

[chrome schooner]

He meant deathstalker not deathmark

[wet crown]

Ye

[chrome schooner]

Also Deathmark doesn't duplicate CT :p

[wet crown]

Damn shame that is

Then again that'd probably be annoying

[molten hedge]

So u might play DS into bm, uhdk, and demo but that’s it

But not rly melee cleaves

[chrome schooner]

you can really play both trees into anything

honestly

[wet crown]

Isn't that straight padding

[potent pivot]

no

[molten hedge]

Pad is still damage

[potent pivot]

more bleeds = more damage

[outer sky]

both builds are perfectly fine

[wet crown]

Demo pets dying as long as it isn't the main one doesn't even hurt it

[molten hedge]

That’s not true idt

[potent pivot]

crimson tempest and ruptures have compounding damage effects

[outer sky]

they make you do more damage

[molten hedge]

Hunter pets dying is a pain in the ass too

[wet crown]

It is, they get cores

[outer sky]

read crimson tempest

and you get full scent of blood stacks

[wet crown]

You right

I wasn't considering that

[molten hedge]

Play BM or surv and tell me ur pet dying is not tough

[chrome schooner]

there is some padding but, CT deals more damage for each target hit, you gain 4% agility per target with a rupture up to 20%, and you basically have limitless energy if many targets bleed, so it ends up being more dmg on players too

Despite the pad on pets

[molten hedge]

We call that funnel (I may be using that entirely wrong but it sounds koo)

[wet crown]

My initial reaction was flawed yeah

[dark kernel]

Yeah but CT is excluded on the venomous wounds

[chrome schooner]

And ?

[dark kernel]

Unlimited energy lil misnomer

[chrome schooner]

Garrote and Rupture still spread due to Carnage

So you do have limitless energy

[wet crown]

Side question, what are we running for blitz? Ds for the consistency?

I'm gonna mess around with ds in bgs so I don't tank my rating lol

[chrome schooner]

probably ds on a pure tf map, but on everything else imo fb is better

[molten hedge]

What’s tf stand for shade

[chrome schooner]

you can kill prio targets (flag carriers, orb carriers, solo defenders on flags) + you have the option to pick double step

tf = teamfight

so, silvershard if you're assigned to teamfight

probably deathstalker is the move

'cause crimson tempest is very open then

[molten hedge]

What, in your guys opinion, would make sub better? I haven’t played it this ssn but just going off what I’ve heard. Seems good in 3s but idk

[wet crown]

Garrote.

If for nothing else than the silence.

I've wanted it back since it was removed from combat/sub

[chrome schooner]

if another spec than assa gets garrote you can delete assa

tbh

with the current design

[wet crown]

Assa would have the turbo bleed still

[chrome schooner]

it wouldn't matter

[wet crown]

I think that's goofy.

[chrome schooner]

there are 0 reasons to ever play assa over sub in any comp if sub has garrote

[wet crown]

We had garrote longer than we didn't have it.

Then that's a problem with sin

[chrome schooner]

That's just that the game changed

Nothing to do with who had it for however long :p

[wet crown]

PVP's in shambles so it sure has.

[outer sky]

garrote really does carry the spec

[devout meadow]

hello anyone know how to see the prized gladiator elite set for rogue in wowhead dressing room? (s2 elite)

anyone has the set in your rogue atm to load it?

[spring bough]

guys

we are posting this everyday and on every blizz forum possible. hell go post it on reddit

[vocal surge]

The TWW S3 Outlaw PvP Experience:
-25% Class Ability Damage
-34% Hero Talent Damage
-20% Restless Blade Effectiveness
+10% Damage Reduction
+36% Stamina
+400% PvP Difficulty Modifier
+Blizzard Hates You Trait
+Community Hates Rogue Trait

[spring bough]

The TWW S3 Outlaw PvP Experience:
-25% Class Ability Damage
-34% Hero Talent Damage
-20% Restless Blade Effectiveness
+10% Damage Reduction
+36% Stamina
+400% PvP Difficulty Modifier
+Blizzard Hates You Trait
+Community Hates Rogue Trait

[hushed dawn]

any tips for pvp talents?

[gleaming sentinel]

builds are in the pins

[potent pivot]

murlok.io

there's a couple you can swap out depending on comps

[woven gale]

Is Fatebound or Trickster better atm for Outlaw damage?

[spring bough]

prob fatebound for the burst i guess

[woven gale]

Also what do you do on BGs when teamates don't listen to you about not following you around?

I keep getting matches on capture points where teamates will chase me and then break my CC

[grave basin]

Y play outlul wen BM do job

[woven gale]

I like a lot of outlaws abilities. (Tho I prefer the version of outlaw that doesn't use vanish for damage)

[grave basin]

Kinda impartial to the theme

[gleaming sentinel]

you're better off just not typing unless its an inc call and you're guarding

[woven gale]

Why would that be better off? My strat for cap requires people not to zerg where I am heading cause otherwise they pull people onto def

[gleaming sentinel]

find another strat

[woven gale]

But when people actually listen it legit lets me just win the game?

[jaunty mirage]

It’s so bad that this is correct cause it highlights such a huge design flaw in both specs that you’d think it would get addressed

[sharp sierra]

you play alliance for that

we dont talk on horde

we fight road

[woven gale]

My opinion atm is theres too much overlap and blurring for all the specs. Idk the invis focus on outlaw feels weird.

[sharp sierra]

outlaw is the cc version of aug

with less damage

[woven gale]

I don't even like that idea, Legion and early BFA fealt like it did a lot of damage to me

[stoic spruce]

Back then it was def like Aug lol

[wet crown]

I love crackshot

But if blunderbus + Greenskin came back I'd be pretty happy

[vocal surge]

Concealed Blunderbuss or OG Blunderbuss?

[static holly]

Is the 4s bonus worth it as assa? Anything changed?

[outer sky]

Not as fatebound but it can be as deathstalker

[static holly]

Hm ok, thx.

[outer sky]

this is so depressing to look at

[static holly]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-gif-14895670

[obsidian pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-cr-crit-role-vox-machina-c1-gif-17244705

[gusty hedge]

funny cuz those are the 2 specs ive been playing. Outlaw Aug and both are the least played across the board

[gusty hedge]

my homie had almost 3k games played last season and barely hit 2k

actually think he hit 2.1

[gusty hedge]

would be qol if they baked crackshot into kit/baseline/passive and added a new talent.

[fluid trench]

https://tenor.com/view/kek-gif-23026223

[dark moon]

someone needs to make a video compilation of those

[dark kernel]

I always assume people like this are generally on drugs or some substances when they play

There are a few rogues on emerald dream better like mega hard stuck 1800, outside of blitz.

And I've personally spoke to one of them and he's routinely drunk and on meth

[gleaming sentinel]

ok so i win lobbies on outlaw when i am peak caffeinated and play in the am

[dark moon]

lovely

[dark moon]

had a bnet friend that was under tons of meds for all sorts of disorders and the game was prescribed to him as recreational activity so every time he was online it meant he's in the deep

[dark kernel]

Damn imagine being prescribed world of warcraft.

Just tell me I'm on death's door

[dark moon]

its not even that, just all sorts of mental and neural disorders

anyway

i saw someone in shuffle with almost 3k games on 1.7

so i guess either wintrading or doesnt give a fuck and plays for fun

[gleaming sentinel]

what an enjoyer

[dark kernel]

I'm already frustrated yoyoing between 2100 at less than 100 rounds I was 1700 for 3000 games....yeah

[gleaming sentinel]

im enjoying just capping my chars and then slam games when they uncap

[dark moon]

there are people that dont care about rating, w/l ratio and such

i mean its rare, but yeah

i know couple

had an ex-colleague of mine that i learned that he plays wow and i was excited that someone from work plays

then he says "yeah im a pvp player and i only play pvp"

i was excited and afraid, cause i dont want to be the moron that cant break 2.4k in case he might be one of those multiglad/r1 ninjas

then he proceeds to tell me he plays male blood elf ret paladin and he queues random bgs all the time

so yeah

[dark moon]

i enjoy playing the game and not sit 30 min queues

[fluid trench]

I want them to readd old pvp rewards at the ratings they required just for the sake that it’ll get more people to queue so I don’t have to wait 45 minutes

Idc if someone uses the same mog or mount as me if I can queue more than 2 games a night before I take a dad nap in my chair

[dark moon]

It wont bring back more people in the long run, but I do like that idea. I didnt purchase elite pvp sets in cata despite having the rating and i really want them. But there are a lot of butt hurt people that don't support that idea cause it makes them feel unique or something. Big discussion nonetheless

[outer sky]

At this point im honestly not sure what they could do to increase player participation

[dark moon]

make the game less shit

make cc matter, remove micro cc, reduce shuffle rounds

BUT, pvp needs to be a separate mod like plunderstorm

[gleaming sentinel]

the problem with exclusive stuff being easier to obtain just makes it less cool

[dark moon]

nothing is cool anymore + they bring stuff back partially which undermines their ideology + they promised they wont make classic merge into retail and they sent a survey asking players if they want their characters copied to retail after mop end...so nothing has value in this game/company

[gleaming sentinel]

your first 4 words are subjective

[dark moon]

just play what u enjoy whenever u enjoy something and wait for maintenance mode or something

[outer sky]

I think they need to add "PvE Talents" that can only be used in raids and dungeons. Similar to pvp talents that can only be used in arena and BGs. Put all the micro CC into the PvE talents and remove it from the baseline kit

[dark moon]

most pvp players wont agree

and since blizzard are moving closer to 1 button rotation with every expansion all of the above wont happen

[gleaming sentinel]

i'd be cool with them calling it "replica set x"

[fluid trench]

PvP isn’t about being pretty or looking unique it’s about improvement - anyone who is in it just for mog and mounts probably pays for carries or thinks shuffles are the most competitive content

[dark moon]

true

thats why i dont get why pvp players are against that

[gleaming sentinel]

im personally not against it, i just understand the perspective

[fluid trench]

Because they paid for a carry in mop and think glorious tyranny means they’re always going to be better than us

[dark moon]

im not scared if a pve player decides to queue pvp and get the elite set, whoopty fucking doo

[outer sky]

I actually got 1800 yesterday on my ret in full greens just spamming that 1 button rotation. I boosted him the day before, honor geared him, did 3 skirms, then queued SS to 1800 just using the 1 button assist lol

[dark moon]

agree, but if you follow this 100% of the time. Not follow it partially, lie to people and bring this and that, while those other things remain unavailable

[gleaming sentinel]

1800 sets are easier to get now, thats for sure

it used to be 2k

starting mmr in shuffle is 2k, and if you just get lucky you can get it in like 9 games of blitz lol

[fluid trench]

Honestly I’d be ok if someone who hit 2400 and 50 wins now could buy the glad mount I have from a vendor, they hit the requirement and fomo is a lot of the reason people burn out and stop queuing

[dark moon]

but mainly, for pvp to be nice the game needs to not have 1 button do 4 things

[gleaming sentinel]

ret and hunter being in every single game is a problem

healing being completely unfun is also a problem that i dunno how they fix

every healer needs to be like disc tbh

[fluid trench]

When tooltips became book reports the balance went out the window

[dark moon]

like you have buttons that u press, for example, holy priest- u press prayer of mending u get shield, mending, body and soul and echo of light(mastery)

[gleaming sentinel]

my hottest of hot takes is alts are too easy, so whatever is stronger you can make insta

[dark moon]

thats not fun in the slightest

[fluid trench]

My hot take is that they need to remove spells and create niches again - half the specs have a MS, that should be just mortal strike and wound poison

[dark moon]

and with that u have 3 spells (as a priest) that give you speed - shield, mending (cause it procs shield) and 3 charges of feathers that if u play the right talents u can give a feather to a party member and get the effect on you as well

so you're michael chumaher 24/7

[fluid trench]

If every class has a specific niche nobody else has it creates a more competitive environment

[gleaming sentinel]

like mop? where warriors run the show

lol

[fluid trench]

Then you get player agency and counter play moments

[dark moon]

its more like their damage, but ye

[fluid trench]

Mop is a good example of a good concept executed poorly

If their damage was toned back it’d be a more competitive environment

[dark moon]

dps classes shouldnt have heal - maybe some immunity here or there and leave something unique like alter time for mage and such

[gleaming sentinel]

i'd really like them to add a brawl that is 6 dps shuffle, with like health packs and different powerups

just to see

[fluid trench]

I want them to make 2s double dps only

[dark moon]

everyone has everything and some classes have more of it than others, so they feel kinda great (given the legion prune of spells and dumbing down gameplay) and the rest feel totally miserable

and lately it feels that gameplay doesnt matter as long as you deal numbers, so its just class X time to shine, pwn everyone, then get fucking nerfed to the ground so nobody plays it next season or whatever

that is the most boring shit in the whole universe

im sorry if there are people that actually enjoy the gameplay of their class, but most are just brain numbing

i dont even like my main anymore

[jaunty mirage]

I’d go even further and say people should just be able to earn the pvp mounts through grinding

There should be more rewards in general

[dark moon]

true. less shop rewards and more ingame fresh rewards, not just recolor of already existing things

[jaunty mirage]

I mean they could still do records even

2400 and 50 wins gets you a special skin for the Mount

But man I couldn’t care less if they let 1600 players get the glad Mount

More people would play the game mode

[dark moon]

its too bad riot scrapped the lol mmo as i had great hopes in it

[jaunty mirage]

There should be multiple mounts, multiple titles, weapon skins, all kinds of shit

[dark moon]

agree

anyway, talking about how they ruined my fav game makes me angry, so im going to wish you guys a great evening and put the phone down

[fluid trench]

Saddles for old glad mounts, opportunity to buy upgrades or recolors from vendors, rank 1 titles stay exclusive but every old reward is open and new rewards are made

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk people would just stop Qing after 1600, and the problem is Q times trying to get elite

[fluid trench]

I think you should need to meet the normal standard for rating requirements now to unlock the ability to purchase old rewards

1800 you can buy old elite sets, 1950 old enchants, 2100 old weapons, 2400 old tabards/mounts

Use marks of honor or saddles

[gleaming sentinel]

I really think the rating itself needs a rework. It’s so dumb how easy it is to get rewards depending on time of expac and season

I’m way better now than I was s1 but I can’t even get close to my rating

[fluid trench]

It’s hard to address cr and mmr without breaking it down further into a rank system like mobas or degrading into something else entirely

It could be maybe moving to a % base like it used to be based on your spec and class instead of overall, but that could result in some degenerate behavior

[jaunty mirage]

I think if people had stuff they could work towards that was actually good they’d play the game more

Like if you could get a glad mount just by grinding out games no matter the rating, more people would queue for sure

I’m not saying it would solve all the problems, it’s a very complicated problem

But stuff like that would help a ton

[fluid trench]

Maybe the best way to address it is a progress bar or a battle pass type system where as long as you queue and play you’re being rewarded

With different rewards or versions of rewards based on peak rating

[jaunty mirage]

People joked years ago about adding a battlepass but literally that’s what the game mode needs right now lol

[gleaming sentinel]

there is stuff to work toward, but class balance and Q times ruin the experience

[jaunty mirage]

Among several other things obviously

I mean there isn’t though

[gleaming sentinel]

adding a shuffle variant of the glad mount would be sick

[jaunty mirage]

There’s 1 mount and it’s 3v3 only

The titles that aren’t gladiator are dumb, and there’s 1 weapon hue

[gleaming sentinel]

you get an 1800 transmog, a 1950 weapon illusion, a 2100 weapon, a 2400 title and tabard, then legend title and toy

[fluid trench]

Each bracket should have a title or mount separate from the other

[gleaming sentinel]

you also get a participation mount

[jaunty mirage]

Right and I’m saying that is not nearly enough rewards in 2025

The participation mount is almost always very dumb though

[gleaming sentinel]

its dumb becuase its easy to get

lol

[jaunty mirage]

Right, I’m saying they need to make cooler mounts easier to get

[gleaming sentinel]

i guess i dont agree with that then

shuffle recolor of glad mount i do though

[jaunty mirage]

There’s no point in a dying game mode of gatekeeping cool shit with rating

I’d have a diff opinion if this was 2011 and 30m people were still playing the game

I mean if you look at Fortnite, all the coolest shit can be straight up bought with cash

That’s basically the alternative to what I’m suggesting

You have two paths in modern gaming for rewards, either everyone can earn them eventually, or everyone can buy them

[gleaming sentinel]

I guess i'm old then, I like working towards hard to obtain things

[jaunty mirage]

I mean yeah that’s sort of the issue hahaha

[gleaming sentinel]

i hate the idea of checking boxes to get stuff

[jaunty mirage]

I’m old too

And the only people blizzard is currently listening to a LITTLE bit on pvp related stuff are like us

[gleaming sentinel]

I dont even use the elite sets because they are everywhere

they are only cool for like a week

[jaunty mirage]

Funny story

I have 7 glad mounts from back in the day

I haven’t used any of them in years

I use the nzoth tentacle mount, which I spent basically all my gold buying a carry to get lmao

They could give away tbc glad mounts for logging into the game and I wouldn’t care

And those were my hardest earned mounts

[gleaming sentinel]

I use my merciless glad mount like its an old lettermans jacket

lol

[jaunty mirage]

Hahahaha

Two kinds of ex glads

[gleaming sentinel]

i have no issue saying im a washed up dad glad

[jaunty mirage]

Same

[gleaming sentinel]

i like solo q, it works for me

[jaunty mirage]

Yep

It’s funny how many dadgamers play classic wow variants and hate on retail even though they haven’t played it in decades

Cause it’s literally built for us

[gleaming sentinel]

yea retail clears classic imo

i liked sod til i had to keep leveling every few months lol

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

But vanilla is about the journey bro

[gleaming sentinel]

barf

[dark kernel]

Classic wow is a super on rails completely dissected game that lets middle aged dudes follow step by step processes to success

[jaunty mirage]

I played vanilla when it was retail and even then I still hated leveling

[dark kernel]

It's why classic wow devolves into 100% parse dick riding

It's so boring

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

But it’s also still a massive time sink

Decent amount of those dadgamers would have more fun on retail

[dark kernel]

It's the type of person. The classic gamers are more dude bro less dad

[jaunty mirage]

True, kind of a mix

[dark kernel]

Every person who has actual kids or responsibilities that I know plays retail

[jaunty mirage]

Unfortunately it’s the deadbeat dad archetype that plays classic

[gleaming sentinel]

isnt the most played pvp still random bgs?

[fluid trench]

Can confirm 2600 former glad also a dad that falls asleep in his computer chair, retail > classic any day

[gleaming sentinel]

yea i mean classic pvp is so degen and meaningless too

and you have to run around and get worldbuffs

never again

[fluid trench]

I enjoyed the sense of wonder and adventure back then but the classic community will never be the og community, I’d rather do new content with my wife than try to relive being a kid with degens that ignore responsibility like they ignore the shower

Modern wow feels more like an arpg right now than an mmo but I’m hopeful rather than rose tinted

[jaunty mirage]

People that only play classic don’t miss the actual gameplay, they just miss being young lol

[wet crown]

Me when I come home from work just to get farmed by a quad amputee playing paladin

[fluid trench]

Life is ever evolving and changing, so is the game. It’s best to grow and learn than try to hold on to a time that won’t happen again

[wet crown]

I like classic :c

It has the rpg elements and depth the game has kinda lost since like legion

Retail combat is generally more engaging ofc

[fluid trench]

I was 10 in TBC, now I’m 28 and bald with the love of my life and a kid. I can’t ever be 10 again or do 20 hours straight of arena again but I can enjoy the game for what it is and what it used to be. It’s absolutely accurate that the old game feels more like an rpg and has that slower pace that makes you enjoy the journey, but that comes with some drawbacks too

[wet crown]

I only really hate the raiding.

But less so on melee than casters

[dark kernel]

Classic raiding was fun, but you could not pay me to do old raids beyond wotlk

I do not know how MoP players are enjoying those raids, they are beyond boring.

[wet crown]

I want to be on mop, but mop dropping on season start is troll as fuck

[dark kernel]

I said the same thing

My retail guild went to MoP, power leveled, did a ton of arena and then came back to retail

[wet crown]

I plan to play tot/siege at least

Peak pvp in 5.4

[gleaming sentinel]

i just went 5-1 on outlaw against ret arms mm

farming fotms

(i am only 2k)

[wet crown]

What even is your kill pressure with how nerfed outlaw is

[gleaming sentinel]

stunning things a lot

at the right tiems sometimes

and others i just get cc'd forever and lose

[wet crown]

Real

[gleaming sentinel]

working on kidney + tricks at good tiems too instead of just randomly

let the real dps carry me

[languid ravine]

HEY I used Nzoth mount exclusively the last 3 months

went through the fkn BfA questlines on 15 chars to get it during the 5% mount event

gang

its the best mount and also its at the very top of my collection starting with A

[wet crown]

The best mount is Doug dimmy dome's

On mythic

[gleaming sentinel]

aka the real s3 glad mount

[jaunty mirage]

I bought it right at the end of bfa which was my first expansion back since quitting halfway through cata and it’s basically the only mount I use

Missed out on all the crazy gold farming people did in wod/legion so I literally spent all my gold at the time on the mount and I’d do it again

[wet crown]

Legion gold got pretty dumb if you snagged the legendary companion junk

And rogues had the pickpocket quest

Dumb for the time, at least.

[fluid trench]

Only mount I really use is the unchained soul eater, blue eye black dragon with silver armor goes hard

I wanna try for the bat this season though

[wet crown]

Monk was funny before flying mounts

You had rng potions that let you unlimited roll for an hour. With chi torpedo you were faster than mounts, and by a lot

[grave basin]

dies without pressing a single defensive

against enhance

[jolly sierra]

why you fused two yugioh cards in one lol

[grave basin]

leaves after1 round

and blows my 30min queue

[fluid trench]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

Yes

[jolly sierra]

XD

[fluid trench]

Just reading the ret channel

[gusty hedge]

another outlaw rogue

[wet crown]

wtf is the surv doing

aren't they insane right now

[gleaming sentinel]

You’re a random bg enjoyer aren’t you

[grave basin]

trying to avoid getting double garroted

[pale storm]

ret nerfs today, surely 😮

[grave basin]

stun trapping the healer , mending off DM and disarmed the enhance

but ig none of that shows up on the dps meters

[wet crown]

"fixed a bug where herald of the sun sometimes doesn't nuke the entire enemy team while afk"

[grave basin]

i mean the fact that their damge breakdown is something like this

is so disgusting

why are two PASSIVES doing so much damage?

[gusty hedge]

Yes

[jolly sierra]

they got buffed in s2

randomly

[gleaming sentinel]

Chad behavior tbh

[grave basin]

this game is just dogshit

like unbelieveably dogshit

[gleaming sentinel]

Picked the wrong hunter spec sorry

[wet crown]

because they weren't at blizzcon therefore fine

[languid ravine]

like what

[spring bough]

Why would u subject urself to random BG hell

[gleaming sentinel]

revert restless blades

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[runic laurel]

#pvp message

[waxen meteor]

Even for BG weekly I would rather do blitz lol

Random BG is just for achievement

[abstract stratus]

Does tracking attonement like this mean i have the tism?

[gusty hedge]

BG HERO/WPVP ENJOYER

[gleaming sentinel]

few wins away and i'll have strategist, first expac as a rogue main... will have gotten that on all 3 specs. fake bracket hero

[gleaming sentinel]

[woven gale]

If you can't sneak caps cause of your teamates what should you do as rogue?

Cause even at 2k mmr im getting even resto shams breaking my blinds

[gleaming sentinel]

what maps?

[woven gale]

Arathi Basin and the like where you gotta cap and hold a point till it locks in

[gleaming sentinel]

I usually just pick 2 bases and hold those

mine / farm or mine stables

and go back and forth

same with gorge

[woven gale]

Your farm or opposing farm?

[gleaming sentinel]

mine

if my team cant win lm/mine but i win st/mine i did my job

[woven gale]

What about if you get a teamate chasing you to mine and breaking your CC

[gleaming sentinel]

it happens, just win the fight

as long as they dont win it

even delaying a cap you are going to lose as long as possible can be beneficial

[woven gale]

Yeah problem ive been having is they usually aren't helpful in a fight and then an enemy shows up because they saw an incoming

Especially if its ret sitting the flag

[gleaming sentinel]

there should always be at least 1 node you can get to and hold or harass

[lapis flare]

Is there an up to date guide on sin rogue

[sleek belfry]

blitz feels sooo bad this season bro lol

i just came back

my first game was 2600mmr and my ret paladins were hojing efc

kekw

25 minute q for that

[woven gale]

Yeah blitz players even at 2k+ rating are just awful it feels like

Straight up youll get your team losing a 6v4 while the other 4 enemies are tunneling the other 2 teamates. Too many CC breakers and too many people just refusing to leave a fight to help the FC or their team get the EFC as well.

[potent pivot]

You can learn how to dps from wowhead or IceyVeins, use murlok.io for builds/gear

Trimaz also made a video guide recently that’s pretty good

[jaunty mirage]

2400mmr shuffle ret paladins are out here pressing bubble and trinket on the first kidney of the game

I think it might just be the paladins idk

[sleek belfry]

yeah most of my rbg friends don’t q blitz anymore and i think thats just fucked the bracket even more

(and there were already only like 50 good rbg players to begin with ofc)

[woven gale]

Is there a reason people on kotmogu yell to just int mid? Like not group up and push for control of mid and then grab orbs. Just straight up suicidally on spawn rush to an orb and then in (And die)

[outer sky]

374k Singular Focus tick. How is that possible? my highest damage hit was 2.4m

[potent pivot]

what was the 2.4

[outer sky]

envenom

[potent pivot]

hmm

maybe damage on the same server tick or something got registered as one source for SF?

like if you added up all the hits from your bleeds and other spells, it adds up to more than 514 hits total maybe?

well i guess hitting your Marked target wouldn't count

hmmm

[outer sky]

yeah shit's weird af man

[potent pivot]

Only thing I can think of is it was buffed by something idk

[fathom crag]

buff MM?

[dark moon]

Goddamn 10 mil...

[spring bough]

MM is broken. ret is broken. outlaw is broken beyond repair. no tuning notes...... see yall in midnight for buffs

[pliant lintel]

bold of you to assume they're going to buff outlaw in midnight 😂

[spring bough]

[gleaming sentinel]

oulaw gonna win awc and they aernt gonna touch it. just make it simpler

[spring bough]

so i found a cool trick with hunter for solo shuffle. play implosive trap

binding shot then implosive right after and the knock up is far enough to trigger the binding stun. can get an extra enemy team aoe stun in every minute

[gleaming sentinel]

You’ve become the enemy. I fucking hate binding shot on my rogue lol

[outer sky]

Its actually not bad for us. Its a stun we can control the triggering of. And we get a huge wall if we pre-feint stuns. I've had games where ive lived goes without having to use any major defensives because I feinted then triggered binding shot

[spring bough]

yeah but if i implosive trap right after it auto triggers binding on the knock up

neat new trick i just figured out lol

everyone plays explosive knock back, so no one really does it lmao

[outer sky]

Right

[spring bough]

bout to become a menace with it

[outer sky]

So not something we run into much

I did have this really weird thing happen once though

Idk if it was intentional or not

But I was playing against Turbo

[fathom crag]

problem with outlaw if they buff the damage it becomes god class cus u got so much cc already & mobility, need a rework asap

[outer sky]

And the shaman static totemed me and the warrior did his spear thing right on the edge of the static totem

And it kept ping ponging me and I DCd

[spring bough]

thats so criminal lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I mean as a team mate

[outer sky]

Ah yeah well most games I just wish my teammates would take their stuns off their bars

[dark kernel]

Yeah I try to always avoid stunning except off target for subs

But once in a while I get a sub rogue who's like full grief letting kidney sit on CD 20nseconds

[outer sky]

See when I queue into a shuffle with another rogue, even if its a sub rogue, unless i recognize them and know they're insanely good at the game, I just assume im smarter than them and I stun what I want when I want

But if I queue into like Nahj or Mik or someone like that then yeah sure ill unbind my stuns

[outer sky]

I think all 3 rogue specs need a rework tbh

[dark kernel]

I tend to ask first, I don't see them often enough with how shuffle works tho

My proposed outlaw tweak. Is if killing spree is interrupted or canceled, a portion of the cooldown is refunded based on how much of the channel was left

[outer sky]

Outlaw for the reason you stated. Sub because the spec is designed to practically 100-0 someone in a stun lock and if it can its broken and if it cant its just a stun bot for a mage. And Assa because its designed to only be good for 6-12 seconds after stealth ends except for now we have a cheeky 1 global 1 shot we can play at the expense of a ton of our actual spread pressure. Seems like a worst of both worlds kinda thing

[dark kernel]

Rogue kind of just exists the way it does in this state ever since they changed the game and began to balance around m+

It's just a result

The entire game and every class has become based around big cooldown usage nobody does damage outside of cooldown

[outer sky]

My biggest issue with outlaw aside from personally despising grappling hook is the conflict it has between damage and CC during vanish windows

They need to resolve that conflict

[dark kernel]

Like remember in vanilla and in TBC where your damage cooldown is Cold blood and that's it?

[outer sky]

Yeah it was a whole different game

[dark kernel]

This is a real thing for sure

The choice of stuns or damage is insane

I mean it's kind of balanced

But only if the damage was THERE

Blizz could honestly undo a partial nerf on coin damage and we'd be playable

I also hate grappling hook functionality and while dual hook for fatebound is badass, I get micro CCd mid hook so much that cancels it, or I just hook through a root that grabs me makes it utterly frustrating

[outer sky]

Well from a purely balancing standpoint yes I can see it. But its a video game. We want to do damage. Its bad gameplay for that conflict to exist. It would be okay if their damage was meaningful outside of vanish windows. Then you can say "ok i cant do damage now but I still can later, just a bit less". But when your ONLY opportunity to do any meaningful damage conflicts with the need to CC then its a bad design IMO

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea man this is it

[dark kernel]

I don't know, I'm kind of going through a lull with wow too

[outer sky]

You also lose step>kick

Which is huge

[dark kernel]

Yeah for sure.

A guy in a shuffle the other day pointed out that I only landed two kicks and around cuz I was frustrated with being cc'd so much and he was like you didn't even kick CC

I'm like, dog you're asking me to use double hook to a devoker spamming sleepwalk expecting me to get it and that's if he doesn't fake me

Sorry about the other six kicks pre cargo p

Precog

It is super frustrating that unless you're next to someone using hook to kick is like dead weight. You pretty much are locked to kicking kill Target or off Target if it's like a red Paladin casting glare in your face

[outer sky]

Yeah even with step its hard. One thing thats always impressed me about a caster is if they manage to fake my step>kick

Like thats a real skill expression

And i know theyre faking me and not my teammate because they'll fake when only I have kick

Like i had a priest recently fake my step kick then fear me then root me

He literally casted just to get me in fear range

It pissed me off but well played

[spring bough]

what alt should i level up

a ret? lmao

[outer sky]

What classes do you currently have?

[spring bough]

everything but on my new act just a hunt dh and rogue max level

[outer sky]

So ret is gunna get the nerf hammer after AWC

WW monk is super fun

Its my favorite class besides rogue

[spring bough]

enhance looks pretty decent rn

[gleaming sentinel]

Almost done with strategist on assa, gonna just grind for legend on dev

I can’t mentally handle another outlaw up and down

[outer sky]

Too many keybinds for me

[spring bough]

yeah full action bars isnt fun lol

[outer sky]

Ret only has like 10 lol

[spring bough]

why im enjoying dh and bm right now just about the same

5 rotational few extra for CC lol

[outer sky]

I just dont like the pet AI in this game

I played survival hunter as an alt in DF and like id want to do a go or pet stun somebody and it just doesnt go off even though im spamming the keybind

Then I see my pet has fucked off like dry humping a pillar because I didn't do the quest to get him fixed or something

No thanks

[dark moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX-Xt9fIZ9Y enh is nasty atm

[spring bough]

he so confident on how ez to 2400 enhance is lol

tempest dumps damage ive played it in earlier seasons. this one looks like it dumps even more dmg

hit that ascendence and just spam 1 button and proc like 10 things lol

lol at enhance. 4 button setup then spam 1 button for duration of ascendance. rinse repeat

[outer sky]

The problem is, the go is extremely telegraphed

You get instantly CCd on it

Even disarm fucks you

[gleaming sentinel]

Try devastation, they can’t stop you. You just constantly piss dmg

[spring bough]

deva got a ton of CC too lol

[outer sky]

Ya I have a dev

Im not very good at kiting on it though

I basically suck at everything besides rogue lol

Thats why I keep coming back to this class

When I play something different I just get frustrated

Not knowing the ins and outs

[spring bough]

only other ones ive got to 2100 is DH and hunt lol

oh and DK

[outer sky]

I got WW to 2400

And dev to 2100

Thats it

You should try WW

Its fun

[gleaming sentinel]

I am still working on rogue lol. But I’m pretty good at dev and demo, I’ve got a lot of reps on those though

[pliant lintel]

im playing feral atm, it's quite fun

[noble venture]

Season high in 2v2, just had a really crazy session

Someone whispered me after they got clobbered (I love this shit)

[pliant lintel]

mans complaining about rogues but is playing with a ret?

[jolly sierra]

vae victis

heyo

[noble venture]

lol

[woven gale]

Does ret now have 3 trinkets?

Cause I just had a match where ret broke sap with trinket, when I blinded them they bubbled and then when I vanished and sapped them when DR was over on sap they were able to bubble again

[jolly sierra]

bop, trink, bubble

[pliant lintel]

you can bubble with forb now

[woven gale]

Protection cleanses CC? I thought it was only divine.

[jolly sierra]

its physical

[woven gale]

Like you can pop it while CCd already?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[gleaming sentinel]

MAKE FORBEARANCE MATTER AGAIN

[pliant lintel]

just delete paladins

[woven gale]

So then Ret is the best flag protector since they can just stop rogues from getting to play the game entirely

[pliant lintel]

yes

[gleaming sentinel]

just gotta get through bop, bubble trinket

[pliant lintel]

you can sap > blind for trinket and bop kidney cap to get bubble vanish to wait DR's then cap with sap

but then you have nothing to defend so just spam throw and run

[gleaming sentinel]

jk they can 100-0 you in a hoj if you dont feint

[pliant lintel]

ye

basically

[dark kernel]

Does HoJ even proc pre-emptive maneuver?

[gleaming sentinel]

wait what? why wouldnt it

[spring bough]

type of bullshit u need to do to lose a lobby on outlaw still

this sham stfg was throwing games

not 1 tremor totem vs 2 warriors lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

thought you were bm now?!

[spring bough]

yeah one lobby on rogue and im done

cant even 3-3 doing shit like that lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

did one of the dps 6-0?

[spring bough]

didnt even look automatically logged off after

sham was def trolling or throwing... not 1 tremor to stop any fears

sham died prob 5 times

[woven gale]

Question for ass PVP, do you use Envenom just to guarantee the deadly poison? Should you be using Rupture as your main damage spender?

[outer sky]

You dont play deadly poison in pvp. And you only rupture a target that either doesnt have rupture already or if rupture is going to fall off in a few seconds

Once you have rupture and crimson tempest up on everyone you want it on, you spend combo points on envenom unless you need to kidney shot someone

[outer sky]

If one DPS goes 6-0 the others go 2-4 every time. If one dps goes 0-6 the others go 4-2 every time

[halcyon timber]

Also be mindful they “can” use this talent as well.

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=936051/shining-revelation

[woven gale]

Why not deadly?

[outer sky]

In pvp the healing reduction from wound poison is worth way more than the damage deadly poison does

The representation for rets is literally off the charts

And that tiny yellow sliver way in the right side of the graph must be @spring bough

Less representation than Aug LOL

[spring bough]

can blizz post 1 fkin tuning change or are we not getting anything

[outer sky]

We ain't getting shit and you know it lol

[gleaming sentinel]

i genuinely wouldnt be shocked if outlaw catches a nerf if they win awc

[spring bough]

yeah blizz sucks rn idk man

hope pvp ques arent shit in midnight

[outer sky]

They will be

[spring bough]

no rated changes so far just a random 40man

wtf could they even change to get more people to que

they gotta make pvp gear hero level or something give pve some incentive to que

[woven gale]

What if your running envenom with the antiheal?

Sorry

Shiv

not Envenom

[outer sky]

You still take wound poison

[woven gale]

Then whats the point of shiv anti heal?

[outer sky]

Its 5% more healing reduction and you can apply it instantly unlike wound poison which needs to stack up

So you'll always have a 30% healing reduction for your go even if you havent refreshed full stacks if wound poison on them

[woven gale]

Does this also include BGBlitz?

[outer sky]

Yes

[spring bough]

bout to cop a WPVP wep and go moonlight as survival with my BM gear

[gleaming sentinel]

demo shufflez

[outer sky]

They need to make the game somewhat balanced and when something is obviously broken actually tune it instead of letting it sit for months.

They also need to make it less aids for healers. The actual number of people queueing isnt that bad, were usually waiting for someone masochistic enough to heal to queue

[woven gale]

Last Ret meta made me legit quit for a while lmao

I find them insufferable when meta

[outer sky]

Me too

[gleaming sentinel]

was that verdant season?

or s2 i forgor

[woven gale]

I hit like 2.1-2.2k on my lock in the ret/arms/ww/demo meta and the entire time I was just not having fun. By the time I started trying to play my Rogue I was like "Yeah naw im good."

Only reason im playing right now is I like the rogue elite set lol

[jolly sierra]

end s1 from df

[outer sky]

The worst Retribution Paladin season was season 1, season 2 of Shadowlands when Word of Glory was overpowered and was basically a lay on hands every time they pressed it. It was absolutely the worst.

Like I was playing Subtlety, Fire, RMP, and we would do a go, almost get a kill, and then the red paladin would be free for a second. Not even the healer, the red paladin, and he would just top our kill target, and then I'd run out of Shadow Dance and can't do anything anymore. There's not even a real cooldown that we get out of it.

[woven gale]

S1 was literally just "Can you survive Ret one shots? If yes Meta. If no trashcan."

Which was just Arms/Ret/Demo/Fistweaver

And Demo didn't even feel fun

Was fucking miserable

Wait does Hemotoxin even do anything? Im not seeing a heal debuff pop up with shiv while I have max antiheal poison

Yeah im noticing if the poison anti heal is applied at all Shiv antiheal is removed from the tooltip debuff

[hidden moth]

ight

whats the bg

bug

with me pressing bvanish

animation going off

but not getting access to my stealth abilities and buffs

[potent pivot]

saw that happen to whaazz the other day

at least in his situation it seemed like it stemmed from him already having subterfuge and his buffs active when he went to vanish

[gleaming sentinel]

happened to me yesterday

[hidden moth]

happened to me 2x in this one shuffle

[stoic spruce]

Good rogues don't let the team play the game

[woven gale]

What are the pros vs cons of deathsmark ass vs fatebound

[potent pivot]

deathstalker does more overall damage, but its mostly spread cleave, less ST/burst

fatebound does more ST/burst, less cleave

[hidden moth]

sow ith how bursty the meta is in shuffle

go fatebound kekw

[woven gale]

I have to say, Ass feels a million times better in BGBlitz even when losing than outlaw to me atm

(Even though I prefer the funny gun)

[harsh kiln]

hey! i'm there aswell

[dark kernel]

Are outlaw still using that cancel aura stealth for the an extra coin or did that get fixed ?

It bugs out a TON and locks out cheapshot

[outer sky]

Does anyone else think its just plain stupid that the entire player base has to wait on a small handful of players to finish a competition nobody even watches or cares about just to get some live tuning?

[jolly sierra]

blizzard placed a voting for a very cringe thing which consisted in the "funniest" moments the m+ racers had on stream

dude wtf who tf cares about that xd

[wintry dew]

I may or may not be doing pvp again

[spring bough]

nah dont need to use it can gget 7 coin without ez

[broken otter]

Yes, 100%

Better yet, take the prize money and hire some dedicated PvP devs

It's $250k this time. That's easily 2x game dev salaries.

[vocal surge]

Ah yes

40.3% win rate in the 1800s - 2100 bracket

47.9% win rate at 1400 - 1799 for Outlaw
and 47% win rate at 2100+

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

well now i am done w pvp, got 1k8 w the monk w this to finish it lol

can this shit match w anything?

[gleaming sentinel]

and yet it will prob win awc, spec is cooked for the average player

[merry zodiac]

not really

if this tells you anything it's one of the few complete sorta salmon-y sets I've seen

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

well, hard to say if can find an use tbh

[gleaming sentinel]

Dazed got rank 1 3s ladder, it’s over for us

[outer sky]

I just queued into him, kalvish, and Kubzy and beat them. theyre playing outlaw/destro/rdruid. Idk why. It definitely didnt seem like a good comp. Like it wasnt scary at all

[gleaming sentinel]

Looks like outlaw fire disc, unless big delay

[outer sky]

When I say "just" i mean like 2 hours ago

[wet crown]

despite our issues

I really, really love fatebound sin's burst lol

feels like a guaranteed kill every time without trinket or intervention

[outer sky]

do you play inevitable end?

[wet crown]

ya

does literally anyone not

[outer sky]

Me

When I play that build

I just use Cold Blood with Kingsbane

[gleaming sentinel]

What comp do you play?

[outer sky]

into them I played assa/affi/hpal

[outer sky]

There's a good number of people who play it my way

Ive never been able to get Inevitable End to do for me what its doing for you guys idk

my envenoms crit for like 1.8m

ive tried it so many times

[wet crown]

I mean they're weak af for me too.

it's for the coins

[outer sky]

yeah see