pvp

[noble venture]

I checked the same ladder spot in all brackets

Thanks all

Its around 240cr difference between shuffle and 3v3

2v2 seems to be the most deflated with about 100cr minus

From 3v3

But this is not perfect data by any means

[molten hedge]

Idk it’s only my second ssn queuing 3s. I’m playing fatebound but was just thinking I’d try DS

[waxen meteor]

2s is a bit unique

in a way, 3s requires some kind of instant communication, which lots of players (like me) do not want to do

it's not JUST skill caps between the two modes

[noble venture]

2v2 and 3v3 have a lot of overlap, but i think quick thinking is rewarded more in 3v3

2v2 is like a piano recital where you must play every note correctly

3v3 is maybe more like a jazz improv

both are good in their own way? maybe a weird analogy

[grave pier]

hey guys, is there a nice nameplate/plater profile you coudl share for pvp?

[potent pivot]

BetterBlizzPlates

It has multiple preloaded profiles

[grave pier]

which is best for healers 😄

[potent pivot]

Oh idk never played healer seriously

I would assume anything would be fine

[spring bough]

Try Kalvish profile. Has spec icons and such pretty good stuff

[green grove]

aug mentioned?

i love aug

my team doesnt let me play it because they are scared of arenas being too easy

or something like that.

but i play it in shuffle to moderate success

[severe helm]

Yeah the ratings between brackets are irrelevant of skill expression though

Blitz is the most inflated and arguably the least skilled

You could just 50/50 your way to high rating doing nothing really

2s arguably has the highest and you can observe that by the win/loss rating of the top teams

if youre better you can almost always ensure winning in 2s

as opposed to 3s where comp matters a lot and its a lot easier to just lose to a 1 shot or other random bullshit and just go next

[noble venture]

Yes, it will never be easy to compare them 1:1

[severe helm]

you can

just use percentile

but blizz makes it hard to view that

[noble venture]

You're confusing me now, didn't you just say something totally different?

[severe helm]

cuz theyre bad at designing a rating system

no

rating is irrelevant

its a made up number that means nothing

but ranking relative to the total population i.e. percentile is a good metric for how well you are doing in a bracket

problem is we try to use "rating" to compare across brackets

which is pointless

cuz rating is a meaningless numberf

[noble venture]

Initially I was comparing the same ladder position by spec

[severe helm]

but if you use percentile to do so, you'll probably observe that the "skill level" of players at a certain percentile is the same across brackets to an extent

[severe helm]

ladder position is absolute though

doesnt factor in the total population of a spec

[noble venture]

I'm not fantastic with data

[severe helm]

also data will be skewed the higher you go up

cuz you lose statistical signifigance

but like you can probably compare top 10 percentile 2s to top 10 percentile 3s to top 10 percentile blitz etc etc

and itll be relatively similar

[noble venture]

A point I was trying to make earlier is that the skillsets are different

And hard to compare by that fact

[severe helm]

theyre pretty similar tbh blitz is probably the only one with a dramatically different skill set

but if youre good in 3s

you can be good in 2sa

and good in solo shuff

its all arena the concepts dont change much

[noble venture]

But they do change somewhat

[severe helm]

they change less than they change inherently within the bracket

2s to 3s isnt that much different as 3s vs caster cleave or 3s vs melee cleave

so theres just as much change within a bracket as there is change between brackets

thats my take at least, ive yet to find a player who is good at 2s and bad at 3s or vice versa

[noble venture]

I don't think I'd go as far to say someone would be bad, transitioning between the brackets

[severe helm]

it would take a very short amount of time to adjust to the differences between the brackets

cuz while there are differences

the brackets still reward the same skills

trading cds properly

and synchronizing cc for your goes

[noble venture]

I think 3v3 is a lot more chaotic

That's the main difference to me

[severe helm]

it for sure is

but that affects the whole population

I think 2s pacing is better tbh

the hp pools in 3s are just way way way too small

[noble venture]

I think in 2v2 you could play the same matchup in very very similar ways each time

And you can expect the enemies to do something similar too

[severe helm]

I think that really depends how much comp diversity there is in the bracket at any given time

and 3s can have very poor comp diversity too

[noble venture]

Yes but like I said, matchup

[severe helm]

depending on the season

so I also dont think thats exclusive to one bracket or the other

[noble venture]

I think the inclusion of a third player places a lot of mental load on playing to a script

[severe helm]

like you can face ret war, jungle, and cupid almost every match for a whole season lol

[noble venture]

Idk just my take

[severe helm]

it does

but again it still rewards the same quality of player

I dont believe someone could be good in 2s but have trouble with the complexity of 3s, the reality is probably more that they arent that good at either bracket and theyre probably in the same percentile in both

[noble venture]

Speaking from my own experience, I find 3v3 a lot harder than 2v2.

[severe helm]

3s is harder yeah

[noble venture]

hahhahaha

timing there

[severe helm]

its inherently more complex and is faster for sure

but again it still rewards the same skills

which is why a good 2s player can be a good 3s player and vice versa

theyre not so different that someone good at 2s couldnt eventually become good at 3s

[noble venture]

I don't think I'm a bad 2v2 player, but the strategies can feel quite different in 3v3 when my team plays

[severe helm]

probably just need to spend more time playing it

[noble venture]

Probably !

[severe helm]

strats are just learned

if you can execute in 2s you can do it in 3s

[pliant lintel]

Just play more 3s

[noble venture]

Easier said than done hahaha

Scheduling nightmare

[pliant lintel]

Yea it do be like that

More 3s experience and more playing with your team is all you need tho

[noble venture]

I'm a big fan of 3v3, I'd much prefer it than spamming 2v2, as much fun as that bracket is

In 2v2 I'm fighting rank 1s and gladiators far too often

Meanwhile I'm 2100 hardstuck LOL

[pliant lintel]

2100 in 3s or shuffle?

[noble venture]

Highest is 2200 in 2v2, not including shuffle

Currently I'm 2150ish in 2v2

[pliant lintel]

Yea you’ll be fine in 3s, just need that team synergy and know your comps win condition and how to execute clean goes without over committing Cd’s

[gilded gulch]

2s is just a sweaty bracket after you pass reward thresholds

tbh

real fun starts when you get high enough there's only 1-2 comps ever queueing

and gl if it hardcounters yours

[pliant lintel]

Ya

Logout to end of season

[gilded gulch]

peak is when its an sv rdru season

and you playing assa

[noble venture]

I was shocked to learn that mending bandage is a 30s cooldown

Very difficult to outplay

It's weird but survival feels like one of the better matchups for me as Assa

It's usually the zug melees that become an issue

[molten hedge]

Are there any rog streamers that play assa a bunch? Ik of palu pika and Shadenox. Maybe Val?

[merry zodiac]

How common is it for people to just

Basically ignore you as a rogue in low end shuffle

[wet crown]

If you're with something like a lock or mm hunter

pretty common

[merry zodiac]

Was a ret ele enh game with me on outlaw

[wet crown]

What are we using for DR addons now?

I miss diminish 🙁

I prefer it on the nameplate over having to look away to double check.

[noble venture]

I think all you can do is spam some CC on the healer and send big damage

You have three different DR types so it's possible usually I find

Maybe outlaw cant do big dam though ahah

Idk

[spring bough]

How do I get this damn discord app to resume messages at the last read message instead of the latest

[merry zodiac]

I was pretty much playing off of others' opening

Cycle buffs, look for a good time to kidney or cheap smoke + killing spree

[merry zodiac]

But I'm also very green to Outlaw in PvP

[carmine sequoia]

how do I win games in solo shuffle as outlaw? I have hit a wall in 1800, I try to damage I lose, I try to control I lose

[wet crown]

Anyone streaming rss that isn't pikaboo worth watching r/n?

I heard nahj wasn't streaming so didn't check.

[potent pivot]

not really

[keen canopy]

idk only twitch streamers i watch these days are pikaboo

and i guess whaaz

[potent pivot]

nahj only been streaming like once a week

kalv been playing mostly blitz i think lately

palumor been playing other classes

[wet crown]

I just like to see the plays before i go in myself, since rss is weird.

isn't palu doing like a 2400 for each class thing

[potent pivot]

atm yeah

[wet crown]

I assume pally didn't take too long lmao

[potent pivot]

but he's mained rogue for a while

[wet crown]

Yeh, that's how I originally know him

[potent pivot]

yeh

rogue down bad atm when it comes to content

[wet crown]

F

Mage is weird too because there's a lot of good ones but none of them have vods kekw

I know lock has jagz and idk if chan quit yet or not.

[potent pivot]

Yeah sub only shit

[wet crown]

Twitchnosub bypasses that.

[potent pivot]

Or pay them for coaching

[wet crown]

fun little cheat.

charging for vods is cringe.

[potent pivot]

Yeah feels a lil scummy but it is what it is ig

[wet crown]

Charging for vods is scummy so it evens out

also we're rogues, we're scummy people c:

[potent pivot]

No that’s what I meant lmao

I was talking about the sub only vods

[wet crown]

oh lolol

[potent pivot]

Not the twitch sub thing

I just feel like charging for something that could help others learn this dead game mode is kinda lame

[wet crown]

Legit don't even like arena anymore, especially current tuning. Just do it for the mog swag.

[potent pivot]

There’s already not enough resources available to help folks

[wet crown]

the fact paladin hasn't even eaten one substantial nerf yet is insane.

[potent pivot]

That’s why ppl like nahj and palu always been alright in my book

[potent pivot]

Yea it’s kinda wild

[wet crown]

I liked Sativ a lot when he used to make stuff.

[potent pivot]

Idek who that is ngl

[wet crown]

yeaaaah

[grave basin]

how old are you bro

that's like the cartoonz era

[wet crown]

Too old.

_>

[grave basin]

<_<

[wet crown]

...

you're old too if you know that.

[grave basin]

im early 30s

[wet crown]

old fuck.

[grave basin]

is that even old

[wet crown]

probably.

That's where I am

[grave basin]

i mean compared to zoomers probably

[wet crown]

unc status

Their slang sucks so much.

[grave basin]

anyway rogue is pretty down bad rn in terms of content

for mage there's aeghis/hansol

[wet crown]

seeing hansol on arcane breaks my brain.

[sharp sierra]

yo lowkey ds slaps in shuffle wtf

[unique garnet]

im about to be there in a few a years (less than 3)

[stoic spruce]

Grandpa

I liked his R6 vids

[wet crown]

Hemotoxin any good atm or better off running dfa or feint

I finally forced myself to crate grind

[grave basin]

Did it on my DH yestd

Took like 2hours from 0 to 2.5 conquest

Definitely needed a break after that

[grave basin]

I will always ride my warlords deathwheel on my horde toon

[wet crown]

based

[potent pivot]

feint/hemo/x mostly

can swap feint or hemo sometimes for other shit

also bomb ofc

[wet crown]

bomb has gotten me so many instant win rounds already

[wet crown]

Oh yeah, are we still running FB for sin?

[potent pivot]

either hero tree is fine really

FB+cold blood/inevitable end or the normal old deathstalker build

they should both be in the pins

[sharp sierra]

ive been trying DS today and it feels like you have SO much more pressure

although missing a ambush window is a gg

[potent pivot]

if you play the FB burst windows well it has much more ST pressure

DS does more overall dps, but its more spread/aoe

i think a lot of ppl are also just more accustomed to executing a burst window rather than upkeeping their Mark debuffs, making FB a bit easier to play

playing DS, or aoe rot style, for the past 2 whole expansions has also just gotten so damn boring

[wet crown]

So don't really go for aoe pressure on fb, just tunnel a dude out?

I might have been playing it wrong while stomping these lobbies, lol.

[potent pivot]

you should still try to spread bleeds most of the time, for damage and energy etc

but like every KB or DM+KB window can be pretty strong when playing FB

[wet crown]

I might have been putting too much emphasis on the bleed thing then. FB sin I never touched before.

just for outlaw

[potent pivot]

ye the goal is to maximize coin flips in a burst window kinda

[wet crown]

I did obliterate the shit out of a warlock last game.

[potent pivot]

if you aren't doing that, and just playing it willy nilly, yea its not gonna feel as strong

[wet crown]

But idk what I'm doing for coins on sin yet lol

[potent pivot]

gotta read all the FB talents

[wet crown]

I know what they do, but I haven't really played it so gotta build that mm

[potent pivot]

and try to utilize everything that makes your coin flips domino

[gleaming sentinel]

Fb sin feels fun. Big bomb wins pretty often

[potent pivot]

between like

vanish, cold blood, kb, dm, etc

you can proc a lot of coins in a decent time span

[wet crown]

ret/dh/unholy was a fun lobby, lol

broke even

Gotta love sudden demise when it works

Really shits on those people who wait for the last second to bubble or whatever

[wet crown]

Probably the fastest time I've hit rival. lol.

[dark moon]

I dropped 200 rating cause every lobby was ret hunter mage

Felt unwinnable

Everyone playing max range

[wet crown]

I'll try deathstalker, I felt kinda useless after my opener in those lobbies.

Felt like I had strong burst but no pressure outside of it

[viscid thunder]

is there any difference between chest tier piece in myth track compared to a chest with conquerors astral varnish?

[stoic spruce]

Nope

[viscid thunder]

so then if we are full myth track tier set we can basically be full pvp 723 this week right?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Pvp gear is just normal get that's scaled to max ilvl

So if you have a piece of gear at max ilvl with the stats you want, you save on conquest.

[viscid thunder]

damn i did not know that a quick google search said they are different in how they are balanced

how annoying i had tons of gear that wasnt worth switching out for conquest

[wet crown]

Pro of gearing sub and outlaw in pve lol

[sharp sierra]

It definitely feels like it has some down time but man the opener and 1st vanish window are so deadly

I only tried it today so I gotta get some more games in to see if I like it enough

[grizzled lodge]

Have never played FB before. What does a burst window rotation look like with FB?

[noble venture]

I'm also interested in this, from my POV the burst seems sort of auto-piloty

As in just using spenders and KB

Is it important to track your stacks of the coin?

[grizzled lodge]

Also, I’ve been using a bleed m+ build with no kingsbane for pve, and I already have too many buttons to press, do people macro kingsbane and Deathmark together?

[noble venture]

No

You could if you want macro kingsbane and coldblood though

I believe those are always used together anyway

Idk if it helps but here's how I bind rogue keybinds. You could substitute the MMO mouse buttons for CTRL binds

[grizzled lodge]

This is useful, thanks

[outer sky]

I love when this happens LOL

[outer sky]

I disregard the opinions of anyone who says "half dozen" instead of "six"

[royal swan]

Ret detected - Opinion rejected

[noble venture]

My first 2400 !!

[outer sky]

Congrats man!

ret went 1-5 the guy must be barely sentient

[noble venture]

Yeah pretty much what you'd expect

But then again shuffle can be hard sometimes

[grizzled lodge]

What does a burst window in FB look like, rotation wise?
Also, with Deathmark, does it only duplicate the bleeds that are already present in the target, or does it also duplicate bleeds that you inflict on the target after Deathmark is activated?

[noble venture]

Duplicates after, but never press on a target that doesnt have bleeds up already

You can get peeled, etc, but it's also less damage

[outer sky]

With at least 4 combo points and full bleeds up:

Deathmark>Shiv>tea/badge/Kingabane>coldblood/envenom

Deathmark duplicates any garrotes and ruptures applied to the target before and during its duration, but the duplicated ones only last as long as deathmark does.

[noble venture]

You can cheap shot > garrote > rupture > deathmark > shi v> kings bane

yeah that guy seems like he's more right

[outer sky]

ive actually deathmarked a target with no bleeds before just to make the braindead evoker's weakaura sound off so he'd use caut before my actual go lol

but its kind of troll

[noble venture]

LOL

Usually I just send it on evo in a kidney

so they at least trinket

but thats so funny man

[lone jasper]

4x set?

[noble venture]

sry i dont understand

[manic steppe]

do you use 4 or 2 set

[noble venture]

ahh

2 set

4 set is probably alright idk

[lone jasper]

Thanks 😅

[noble venture]

i dont know the math

sorry for my brain lag LOL

[lone jasper]

Cool that you don’t mind amount of sets and get 2400, thats cool, it seems so impossible for me…

[outer sky]

Dragon players are simple minded creatures.

[noble venture]

They're allowed to be

Only thought in their head is macaroni and cheese

Which is pretty cool

[lone jasper]

He bubbles 🙁

[grizzled lodge]

What does peeled or peeling mean?

[outer sky]

its like if someone on the enemy team is bursting on your teammate and you stun them off of him. that's "peeling" for your teammate

[grizzled lodge]

Gotcha, thanks 🙂

What weakauras, unit frames and nameplate add on profiles do you guys use for PvP?

[jolly sierra]

he was on GCD, he used final reckoning instead bubble, so he was unable to save himself

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/linkin-park-in-the-end-linkin-park-in-the-end-music-chester-bennington-gif-26242393

[noble venture]

Mr Jacko, I did it

Are you proud of me Sir

You gave me some confidence to hit the queue button

Generally solo shuffle gives me a lot of anxiety ahhaha

[wintry dew]

If he isn't, I am

GG dude

Now stop pvping and enjoy life

[noble venture]

Hahahaha

I was so hardstuck

[wintry dew]

Negative

You were just getting ready

[noble venture]

Assa

I think it's probs the easiest rogue spec for the 2400

I cannot imagine what outlaws deal with ahaha

[glass hazel]

pog, gz

[sleek belfry]

soo, returning to retail....to some lovely 25 min+ blitz queues at 0 cr. does your mmr persist through seasons now? or are the queues on NA just that bad?

[gleaming sentinel]

Ds or fb

[glass hazel]

fresh mmr now about 2k, decays a bit between seasons

[wet crown]

What's the 2400 reward in shuffle again

Also still blows me away that outlaw got nuked before ret.

Man wasn't even top damage in that awc game

[glass hazel]

tabard i guess

[wet crown]

I don't like this seasons so I'll probs just go for the weapons lol

[noble venture]

Fatebound

Feels really good

Lots of control over the match rather than pad

Not to say pad is bad

[wet crown]

How are you pressuring between deathmarks? Started to really feel like i wasn't moving health bars outside burst last night

[dark moon]

Did the same, and after yesterday's fiasco, both rogues dropped to 2 and 2.1k from 2.37 and 2.35 🙃 every lobby is goddamn mage, hunter, ret, double mage, or mage lock ret. Disgusting session

[pliant lintel]

Yea bro I got 2.4 and stopped queueing shuffle until they fix the game 🤦🏻‍♂️

[noble venture]

kingsbane feels more impactful as a CD, though i'm sure the damage meters disagree

i think you can still do a lot of rot pressure with FB

[grave basin]

even akro is streaming ret

[wet crown]

It won't happen, but

How funny would it be if ret just got annihilated in tuning notes tonight

[outer sky]

if they get another nerf itll be something like "divine steed speed decreased by 5%" or some shit

[exotic dove]

I am hoping Rets get nerfed tonight cause Mes found that Blood DK is really strong into rets and Hunters and I am seeing more blood dks now.

Well in participation havent seen one in a lobby yet

checking the sites

[grave basin]

i guess if i cant get into a crate farm group im just fucked

there's barely any groups in lfg

[wet crown]

Dawnlight damage reduced by 4%

Basically a nerf that does nothing

[wet crown]

They tend to pop up around 4-6 hours from now, it's early friday

[grave basin]

there was one but it's full

so 40 people just got ripped from lfg

[dark moon]

what does that mean

[grave basin]

if they werent crate farming

they would be in lfg

as in the arena lfg

[wet crown]

Lfg is awful though

That's why shuffle is so popular lol

[sharp sierra]

im ngl starting it yourself takes about 15 min

people join instantly you only need 5 and then everyone goes to each zone to grab timers and then syncs

usually someone joins while still have timers and skips the entire process

i did it a few times when i was have zero luck joining

[outer sky]

i just did a shuffle lobby around 2200mmr and the ret pally BUBBLED my sap every round

that guy is 2200

what a joke of a spec

[jolly sierra]

isnt he a bot?

in wod i found a guy using one, as he always did freedom in ccs

[outer sky]

He wasn't playing like a bot

I really think he just figures "im a ret. I cant die. Why sit this sap?"

[jolly sierra]

interesting, what a 300 IQ move

[fresh ermine]

elden ring worth purchasing?

[waxen meteor]

lobby as ret, with arm/bm/marksman

feel like autowin

[outer sky]

How did it go

[waxen meteor]

60

Started with WAR, easy 20, marksman died super fast, second round died at open

Then I went with Marksman, Warrior died super fast

Then I was with BM, both BM and Healer said war was doing win trade

pffff

I just told them to not over think, we are at such low rating, no need to win trade

much tougher game with BM, he is a bit new compared to others, still got the last 2 rounds

[outer sky]

Aye a 6-0 nice

[waxen meteor]

Very nice, now I am rewarded by a caster lobby

Hopefully i don't get an opposite out

[waxen meteor]

ok 33

not bad

[molten hedge]

I have full conq and wpvp except my medallion. Should I craft a dagger or just get medallion conq

[potent pivot]

trinket

[sharp sierra]

No reason not to get token

[gilded gulch]

one time i watched a warrior trinket an opening db only to die insta in a bomb

[jolly sierra]

bruh

classic warrior

never thinks

[gilded gulch]

ngl

whenever i play alts and have a rogue on other team

i usually train them and they die in 2 minutes

[jolly sierra]

well, you know how squishy they are xd, sadly ppl focus other shits

its like dont switch target to a pally w sacri

[gilded gulch]

the male belf rogue surprised pikachu

when i stun him 30% after he aggro trinkets

[jolly sierra]

did he thought he was winning?

[gilded gulch]

no idea blud was cooking

unironically said play fly vs destro

on dh

xddd

[jolly sierra]

huh

rlly

[gilded gulch]

idk shuffle got some freaks

how people have more than 2k games on one character is insane

[jolly sierra]

cuz they ignores rests, so they plays tilted and hardstuck xd

[gilded gulch]

i think last time i played rain on dh was in bfa 2s

mostly to bully dks by baiting them into middle of tolviron

then getting haste from eyebeam and launching fel lances down while they cant hide

[jolly sierra]

dhs in bfa were filthy

that fkn blade dance

parrying everything xd

[gilded gulch]

i did some troll shit

the rdru i played with would spam cyclone melee

when i hit rain

ermm spam root

[jolly sierra]

XD

so he gets showered

nice

[gilded gulch]

one time i did make a mage /afk out the lobby

because detained his temp shield

at 10%

[jolly sierra]

and he ragequitted rlly?

[gilded gulch]

yah

debating if i should play ret with the button assistant

for elite mog rq

[dark moon]

not sure what hurts more - bubbling sap or me cleaving their healer rets just dont want to hoj and kill sub 35% healers, or running in circles in the middle of an arena vs casters and dying eventually 😄

[jolly sierra]

not needed tho, everything already flashes with procs

[dark moon]

no need for 1 button assist

[gilded gulch]

people in shuffle are weird and dont like hitting healers

[jolly sierra]

they prey on the weak

AKA the one which died in round 1

lol

[gilded gulch]

like idk if im on dh and q into double melee

ill hit healer and see if melee chase me

xddd

[jolly sierra]

try it on

[gilded gulch]

its hard vs caster cleaves

because getting past the 2 wizards hes playing with

[molten hedge]

Ty

[devout meadow]

hello

sorry im mostly pve player im farming some honor and conquest for some transmogs

i see there is a cap on 4600 conquest

is it a cap for all the season? or does in unlock as crests do?

[outer sky]

It increases by 600 per week until it eventually uncaps at week 11 or something

[sharp sierra]

I get really happy when I see a mw

[devout meadow]

thank you

[jolly sierra]

F

gl

[grim forum]

does anyone have any idea of the sin pvp guide on Icy veins is good?

[potent pivot]

It’s usually alright if you’re just getting started, but for builds and gear I would check what’s most popular on murlok.io

[grim forum]

yea but where can i see what openers are optimal in this specific patch

cuz i know it changes

[potent pivot]

Not sure

[potent pivot]

Oh I misread mb

If you check the wowhead pve opener it’s basically the same

Just go to the Rotation section on the assa rogue page

And set it to the build you’re playing

[grim forum]

ok ill try that

[spring bough]

comment sounds like a giga ret that cant play ret well unless its busted LMAO

[grave basin]

no tuning

= play DH

[grave basin]

great game btw

dead from 50 in earthen

[wintry dew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/qdt8nOVs0V

This one seems interesting

[lofty vine]

another wonderful week with no tuning

[hybrid sapphire]

why do i feel so energy-starved all the time

[stoic spruce]

Idk man

[potent pivot]

Gotta upkeep bleeds to keep energy refunding

[hybrid sapphire]

i miss haste rogue...

[gilded gulch]

haste never made a difference

[stoic spruce]

Yeah we just geared into it because it was funny

[hybrid sapphire]

didnt we do haste all last expac

[potent pivot]

eh

not rly

[stoic spruce]

A little

You gear into haste this expac too

A little

[gilded gulch]

what

didnt you do vers mast in df

[potent pivot]

ye but with various shit you'd have a little haste

tier sets, or just statting into haste when you were well into DRs

[hybrid sapphire]

i might be thinking of SL

[potent pivot]

probably yeah

in SL we did run a decent amount of haste

the thing is, it barely does anything as far as energy goes

keeping bleeds on 2-3 targets is where the real energy comes from

if you do that, you should never really feel starved

[gilded gulch]

ngl i dont remember sl assa

besides necrolord and 7s kidney

[potent pivot]

bleed damage was sorta shit in SL

so really all stats were kinda ass

could run haste>crit and do fine

[gilded gulch]

Yeah it was slamming big envs

played with a dwayne sham and every priest team in 2s was free cr

[severe helm]

ye assa played for one shot in DF

so it was all about kingsbane kill damage

[dark moon]

There was nightfae 1 shot build and it was the most fun ive had

[gilded gulch]

didnt work at real ratings

ok it worked on non dwarf rshams

because get fucked lmao

[dark moon]

What's real rating? I managed to get to 2.1 with double rogue in 2s. Haven't had that much fun since

[gilded gulch]

ok double rogue 2s players

......

i have no words

idk how anyone finds afking in stealth 90% of the game fun

but to each their own

[dark moon]

You had to play it to know

And games were quick

[gilded gulch]

no you just sat in stealth like degens usually

sub ww or sub surv took more finesse

[dark moon]

Erm, you seem to be triggered, but no. You start at stealth, cc one guy, press cds on other guy, force their defensives, vanish, wait for diminishing returns, then rinse and repeat once and kill the guy cause no cds on their end and go next game

Most games were 30-40 seconds long

[gilded gulch]

yeah because people dont react to 2.1

idk sitting in stealth for that long was always super stupid imo

[dark moon]

For that long? Lol

[gilded gulch]

if the game is under a min you're playing clueless people

[dark moon]

Anyway, most fun i had in the game in recent years

No, it was really powrful 1 shot build

[gilded gulch]

im aware

[dark moon]

They didn't have cds to press for the second one shot

[gilded gulch]

i got monk to 2.4 in sl literally just getting random healers in lfg duelist

just because i won 80% of games

in first trinket

[dark moon]

Monk was also busted with the brew thingy, can't remember. But also fun to play

[gilded gulch]

one time i got 2 procs and killed some rogueh through his trinket sprint vanish

idk sl was so stupid

[dark moon]

Bonedust was it?can't remember

[gilded gulch]

retwar banner one dinks

yeah with keefers

it was that and alpha tiger for bloodlust

[dark moon]

The tiger palm that gave haste and charged you to your target?

Or something

[gilded gulch]

nope gave you 6s of crit

alpha tiger gave you haste when you palmed something

[dark moon]

Oh i think spinning crane kick proc were top dps that expack

[gilded gulch]

dance of chiji gave it like a 200% boost

[dark moon]

And you were just fishing for procs, right.

And somebody would flop

[gilded gulch]

if you were lucky you could proc it off itself

[dark moon]

Ah ye, now I remember

[gilded gulch]

dance proc into rsk into dance proc

kill rsham through slt

[dark moon]

Ye, hahah

[gilded gulch]

less effective in 3s since

2 people can peel it

necrolord just made it more problematic because bonedust could just replicate full damage of the spin

[dark moon]

Sadly i don't have friends to play 2s. That shit was fun with cheese specs ngl

[gilded gulch]

or the rsk

[dark moon]

Ye I've seen 1shots with dust

Was insane

[gilded gulch]

Thing is

most rogue teams were kinda free in 2s

they'll sap healer with no cover on monk

so you just rop self

and opener is gone

[dark moon]

How are you roping when sapped

Like thats a big discussion, but im guessing it can work

[gilded gulch]

no he saps healer

but doesnt cover monk at all

[noble venture]

double rogue 2v2 is based

classic comp

when you're trying to play RM but another rogue applies, that's when you learn you've got that mad dog in you

[dark moon]

Oh you meant rogue x teams

Gotcha

[outer sky]

most rogues know that trick and will wait for the rop

[runic laurel]

then the rogue is also waiting for their own sap to expire arent they?

[outer sky]

yeah but who really cares

you just resap

get a couple seconds of that

the sap is mostly about applying blackjack anyway

arite folks

how troll would it be to wear these into certain comps

I really think 50% reduced disarm duration may be worth basically not wearing gloves into some shit

[runic laurel]

You’d be missing 45 ilvl so less than last season dmg

[acoustic junco]

just wait for timewalking burning crusade

then it's not 45 ilvl

[runic laurel]

For an extra idk 6 seconds of uptime per minute

[spring bough]

pirates day transmog hat

get it while u can ylal

[waxen meteor]

Where can I get it

[spring bough]

booty bay ontop of one of the buildings a dread pirate vendor

[gilded gulch]

nowadays yes

[spring bough]

love me some 3 cheaps in a row stun the whole enemy team and BOOM enemy spriest gets smoked by the ret

[spring bough]

sleight and loaded dice feeling nice in solo with KIR

[glass hazel]

what the deal with rop? like monk will rop after sap to get you out of stealth?

[midnight grove]

are there any outlaw pvp streamers or is it too unhinged

[potent pivot]

there's barely any rogue pvp streamers in general. whaazz sometimes plays outlaw idk about lately tho

[midnight grove]

that really sucks

its so fun to play in pvp

[dark moon]

nasko streams every day lately

also akro is consistent, but he plays ret atm

dace also streams regularly

[potent pivot]

idk who any of these ppl are

ik akro i think

[dark moon]

well nasko is the 1st rogue on the ladder atm

he plays assa/sub mixes them up and such, always on shuff and blitz queue, its enjoyable to watch

[outer sky]

Pika is playing

His win/loss ratio in shuffle is crazy

I dont even know how thats possible tbh

You think hed lose more games than he has just to his teammates trolling

Like no matter how good you are you cant help it if your teammate just doesnt feel like pressing turtle or disperse or whatever

[dark moon]

pika playing wow again?

thats good

[pliant lintel]

Drdaggers streams outlaw but he plays weird spec

[midnight grove]

xd

he uses the exact same spec as me

thats crazy

[potent pivot]

whats weird about it?

[pliant lintel]

he plays trickster

[potent pivot]

thats not that weird

[midnight grove]

trickster is good

[potent pivot]

but it does show him as fatebound rn

with the same build as everyone else

[potent pivot]

its not bad

[midnight grove]

why is fatebound better?

higher dmg

?

[potent pivot]

fb is a bit more ST

trickster is more aoe/cleave

[pliant lintel]

^

[midnight grove]

trick buffs ks pretty hard doesnt it

[potent pivot]

sorta but like

ks is kind of a meme now

[pliant lintel]

has blind cdr as well

[midnight grove]

i dunno i dont play that seriously

id imagine the top ranks never let you channel ks

[pliant lintel]

nah

it's easily griefed by pets and whatnot too

[midnight grove]

yeah true

its insanely hillarious to blow up bad players with trickster cb ks

[pliant lintel]

yea but sometimes with FB you'll randomly 1shot somebody

sort of

[midnight grove]

i guess, i just really dont like how little it has going for it besides double hook

its just boring damage

[pliant lintel]

it's a lot better in 3v3

horrible in shuffle

but then every rogue spec is

[amber goblet]

can you no longer cap a flag during cloak in blitz?

click a base*

like in AB

[indigo hill]

Think shuffle is a bit to hectic for rogue to work best.

[pliant lintel]

nahh that got changed ages ago

[dark moon]

nasklaga_ on twitch

plays blitz atm

think hes also on shuf q

[pliant lintel]

ya nasklaga is good

[grim forum]

does any rogue spec ever take Death from Above in pvp?

[potent pivot]

you can if you don't need a 3rd pvp talent

as sub or assa

not really a lock in tho

[grim forum]

and what would be the rotational use of it?

like on opener im guessing you do DfA instead of first Evis no?

cuz its just a stronger evis?

[potent pivot]

just as an envenom/evis replacement

or as a gap closer

[grim forum]

every time its up basically

just throw it out

[potent pivot]

yeah just use high combo points like a regular env/evis

try to supercharge it if you can as sub

nothin crazy

[grizzled basin]

Hi all, just got back to wow and doing SS as sin, why has msot top players swap to fatebound ?

[potent pivot]

because most ppl prefer it atm

both hero trees are fine at the end of the day

[grizzled basin]

what has changed vs 11.1 that drives that ? set bonuses ?

[potent pivot]

mainly ye

[grizzled basin]

thx, is it worth running KB is Nighstalker then, considering set bonus dont affect KB (vs when you run fatebound) ?

[potent pivot]

nope

deathstalker sticks to the same build as previous seasons

there's 2 builds in the pins

one for each hero tree

[grizzled basin]

got it, thanks for the inputs 🙂

[spring bough]

reading up on remix, " Based on the scaling, you'll get ilvl740 gear on completing a +63 Mythic+ key or above" uhhhhh how high are keys going in it?? lol

[glass hazel]

no limit 🙂

going to be fun

i'm wondering if there going to be any kind of pvp

imagine +1000% vers

[spring bough]

raid bosses on mythic gonna be getting one shot with full power lol

[glass hazel]

true

you can solo them i guess

[noble venture]

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-mlpfim-pony-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-gif-7604394424216370881

[wet crown]

People are soloing 40+ so

[potent pivot]

oh did remix start

[spring bough]

couple more weeks. people testing it on the ptr

[potent pivot]

ah

[wet crown]

Oct 7 iirc

I think we have alpha before that too

[amber goblet]

Thx, thought i was going crazy

[lone cypress]

dumb question how does gemming work for pvp? you add sockets with the jewelers setting, then there's something specific we need to target to activate the focusing lens embellishment?

[stiff cedar]

You'll want 1 bloodstone gem, (likely enduring bloodstone, or for casters cognitive bloodstone, etc.)
You also want 1 "stat gem." This is a gem with no effect, just stats. For instance, a masterful sapphire. The focusing lens embellishments only get activated by stat gems. If you only have a bloodstone gem in, your embellishment won't work. Obviously, the goal is to fill every gem slot to get as many stats as possible, but those 2 are the bare minimum to be effective

[lone cypress]

any reason to try to socket certain slots over others in any particular order?

[noble venture]

https://tenor.com/view/fluttershy-mcdonald's-saturday-mlp-my-little-pony-gif-6200523680904549014

[potent pivot]

Nope

Just make sure you don’t want to replace the piece with anything else

[potent pivot]

…?

[mystic shoal]

whats the best spec in pvp atm? Mainly going to be doing RBGs, Blitz, and SS

[potent pivot]

Can kinda play whatever you want

[mystic shoal]

no 1 better than the other? shidd

[potent pivot]

ye if you look at the solo q ladders you'll see all 3 specs in the top 50 etc

less outlaw typically, but there's still outlaw mains that do ok

[mystic shoal]

shidd bet bet

[spring bough]

outlaw slander 🙁

[stoic spruce]

All 3 rogues in top 50 again?

Who seen that coming??

[spring bough]

outlaw S tier

[stoic spruce]

There's a chance for artifact reskins

[spring bough]

its happening

MT reskins inc

[stoic spruce]

Dude

Fuck MT

We need reskins for all of them

[spring bough]

midnight cant wait to put daggers over swords

knowing blizz theyll do something dumb and itll be like a weekend only available 3 days to try and thats it

[outer sky]

Hey guys I think my internet is acting up. I keep refreshing the WoW Blue Tracker page but it's not showing any class tuning. Can someone please post the ret pally nerfs for me?

[stoic spruce]

What does this mean?

[spring bough]

what nerfs

[hybrid palm]

got duelist after my long hard grind

and the duelist daggers look amazing, compared to previous seasons

[glass isle]

what would yall say is the best spec to run thug?

[outer sky]

it depends on what spec your hunter is.

If he's MM then you want to play sub. If he's surv or BM then any can work but probably assa

[glass isle]

ye he’s mm

that’s good

i hate sin

[sharp sierra]

So is it just gg for tuning?

[night vector]

is this normal?

[dark moon]

yes, according to blizzard

[dark moon]

you mean tuna? cause no tuning in sight

[night vector]

my team is flaming me because i dont trinker opener storm bolt when i got feint on

[dark moon]

interesting team 😄

tbh hunter is the only spec keeping in check all the casters, if they nerf it then its gonna be mage sp boomkin only and that cancer in my book

[dark moon]

if u have the pvp talent for feint you should not trinket the first cc

i mean if u have feint on ofc

but its situational and you can try doing what your team wants in the name of science, but if they think you should survive 19 mil in 2 globals thats a bit sus

[night vector]

well im at 1,7k, they see me dying in 2 globals and flaming starts

[dark moon]

dying in 2-3 globals is not okay only if its preventable dmg, but how do you prevent 15 mil instsa cast followed by another in between?

tell them to give you defensive cd if they are that good to prevent your death 😄

[night vector]

next lobby: 2 retris and a holu pal

i think i might just skip this season

[dark moon]

what comp are you playing?

[night vector]

suffle

subt

[dark moon]

you had to start with that

disable chat in shuffle or dont bother reading

and do your best just to try and get a win

dont care about what they type, keep a positive mind

shuffle is you 1v5 mentally. check who reacts to what so you can get a cheeky round if they dont react quick enough

[stoic spruce]

That's average MM dmg honestly

Every death log looks like that

[noble venture]

Congratulations !

[dark moon]

doubt x

[stoic spruce]

Wtf is your pfp

I keep seeing it and it throws me off lol

[sick wasp]

[spring bough]

Bro keeps thinking he gonna slide in some DMs or some thing

[grave basin]

I LOVE GETTING BMS AND RETS IN MY SHUFFLE LOBBY EVERY LOBBY

PLEASE BLIZZARD GIVE ME MORE RETS

[gleaming sentinel]

Welp, I pugged to 3k to avoid shuffle for a bit… got it done and still no tuning

[sick wasp]

bold to assume there will be any

[jolly sierra]

heyo

[dark moon]

hey, good one, forgot to repost today

[grave basin]

killing rets with black magic

[dark moon]

hm why does it say 100% hp on the holy ritual

[spring bough]

bro u play a hunter lol

[spring bough]

im almost there too 400 rating to go on the rogue and doing poop dmg in keys... loove it

[grave basin]

Getting 1800 sets rq before I'm busy with remix

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce https://www.wowhead.com/news/whats-different-about-legion-remixs-artifact-weapons-378550

[glass hazel]

rip

[wintry dew]

that is wild

[glass hazel]

i expected recolor of mt daggers

[wintry dew]

oh thats also wild

no shot they would do that

[glass hazel]

why not? make new color and everyone is happy

[wintry dew]

mop remix happened

[gleaming sentinel]

I think I failed ara Kara 12 like 7 times

[wintry dew]

and no challenge mode

[glass hazel]

i'm not talking about old reward

its fine to not bring it back but why not make new one

[wintry dew]

there is a recolor for mop challenge mode that was never used

but it is on the files

[glass hazel]

so upset jeez

.<

[wintry dew]

i also dont understand why they dont just bring this stuff back

[glass hazel]

when mt was on, i played on eu, now playing on us and cant access it ofc

.<

only good looking daggers on the back

rest just meh

either bulky or ugly af

[wintry dew]

ikr!

[glass hazel]

haha i liked white one

fit recolor set well

from mt as well

[wintry dew]

you mean the blue?

[glass hazel]

or was it blue?

hah

[wintry dew]

sec

[glass hazel]

third one

light blue

[wintry dew]

yeah

[glass hazel]

maybe one day thei will merge eu\us database

so i can access it as well

[grave basin]

so far ive gotten like 4 leavers

holy faq these low lobbies are painful

[noble venture]

To the FB assa players, do you prefer running the double cold blood for envenom, or sending it on kingsbane?

Is there any trick to the double cold blood build? I found it was hard to get the combo points for quick use

[grave basin]

bros..

[spring bough]

flexing with that set just need the shoulder smoke and its set

[grave basin]

ragnaros prot pally

............................

[glass hazel]

tanks should be banned in arena

such a dumb idea

[noble venture]

I think now they're just ffing themself over right?

If they're at the same rating as you, then it stands to reason that they can win I also think

[wintry dew]

i dont have that set

but i do have the smoke on every shoulder

[grave basin]

placement games

[noble venture]

I see I see..

[grave basin]

im doing the lord's work

actually i alt tabbed and HE LEFT

[dark moon]

now they are considered a dps, so they are useless

[grave basin]

he left on round 5

shoulda gone 4 2

sadge

queues on this mage have been p good so far atleast

that's the 5th leaver so far

[dark moon]

those leavers are an abomination

but its just sore losers irl and ingame

[grave basin]

i mean

[dark moon]

which is fine i guess, only the punishments should get a buff and it will be fine

[grave basin]

one of the lobbies

i triple sheeped this rsham into db into knock into wall into nova

and his dps died and he insta left next round

ngl i had a good laugh at that

[glass hazel]

for me most funny one was i bomb a dd and priest didnt run in directly and mage just block the way completely for him in nagrand arena between posts while he was running dd died

[dark moon]

yesterday a mage in my lobby decided to do an AWC wall on nagrand, so he quickly calculated the timing, and blocked himself with their entire team on one side and died cause no block. Separated us completely and our healer started running around but it was too late

[glass hazel]

well done

[dark moon]

who would've figured out he was bad at math kekw

then in one of the next rounds decided to do it again and cut us out during burst on one of the enemies

mint gameplay, think he went 1-5

then i had another mage go on mount on tolviron behind enemy pillar vs boomkin and frost mage and got deleted in the opener (didnt know glacial could crit for 7 mil and he face tanked that shit)

and started crying cause healer didnt heal him

good times

[lone cypress]

i feel like a monkey trying to follow the pvp gear FAQ and murlok BIS

if this is what im sitting on + 1 catalyst charge + capped bloody tokens and conquest, what should my gearing be? fatebound sin

im assuming conq gloves to catalyze a replacement for the bad gloves, then after that im trying to craft pvp gear for boots and shoulders to eventually recraft into their 723 conq versions?

and bloody tokens as bandaids over whatever in the meantime

[jolly sierra]

never use adapt trinket

that is the biggest red flag you can ever have as a pvp player

[lone cypress]

i know its turbonoob but getting back into pvp after a decade hiatus i wanted to turn some of my brain off while i focused on learning the ropes again lmao

[jolly sierra]

use ferocity trinket and the regular medallion

line ferocity with kingsbane

and idk the embellishment you are using but use elemental lens

in the enchants is radiant the one usually used

[pliant lintel]

craft pvp mastery boots and shoulders

[indigo hill]

How do you all feel about arms/fury damage atm? To me it feels crazy high. It's like they hit straight trough half your health bar with 1 button.

[glass hazel]

tell this to hunters who do 14m in 2-3 gcd

wars need to connect in order to do anything and you can disarm\ss

[indigo hill]

MM does that. Black arrow and Aimed Shot. It's a lovely combo but i wasnt talking about hunters eventhough i understand the trauma.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I played the ptr and was pissed

It's actually very annoying when people bring up MT when the fact is there are 0 artifact appearances.

How narrow-minded can one be

[spring bough]

itll be the surprise in the last phase

[stoic spruce]

I think so to tbh

This got my hopes up

More rewards could mean anything but I choose to believe more artifact reskins

[spring bough]

i believe we will make a dream become reality

[stoic spruce]

I BELIEVEEEE

[jolly sierra]

remix artifacts are a fkn waste

they could add a recolor for a hidden skin idk

[stoic spruce]

Are you fuckin stupid?

You must have a catheter in your brain and pissed your common sense away

Artifact reskins are why 99% of people wanted remix

You absolute

GOOBER

It's why I was going to play

[jolly sierra]

they won't give you a fkn MT skin dude give up

[stoic spruce]

I don't care about mage tower

At all

There are 3 specs with good mage tower

Unholy and idk the rest

But a lot ain't good

[jolly sierra]

you have the reading level of a yugioh player dude

i was saying the artifact skins are a fkn waste in remix

as they just added the default ones

[stoic spruce]

The baseline regular skin yeah

But no new recolors

Even as an ensemble

[jolly sierra]

ye, that is what i was talking about

so

uh

FUCK YOU

https://tenor.com/view/dog-middle-finger-cachorro-arrombado-fuck-you-gif-1975364913217684614

[stoic spruce]

I BET YOUD LIKE TO WOULDNT YOU???

This is fun

[spring bough]

he wreckt u bro

[stoic spruce]

He wants to have relations with me and I say no

So

💅

[jolly sierra]

ye

https://tenor.com/view/dying-laughing-fenneko-aggretsuko-lmao-hahaha-gif-18080313

[stoic spruce]

He doesn't believe in the reskin dream Van

He says they're DUMB and STUPID

[spring bough]

sadge

[stoic spruce]

And he HATES you

[jolly sierra]

i dont do funny stuff w men sorry

[stoic spruce]

See how he has no rebuttal?

Dang

He rebuttaled

@jolly sierra I love you

[spring bough]

does popo count on that category orrrr

[jolly sierra]

i only like you as a friend dude sorry

[stoic spruce]

The love is platonic

[spring bough]

does supatease have a mage called supablink

[hidden moth]

is assa playing fatebound now?

[potent pivot]

can play either

[hidden moth]

isnt fatebound doign better rn though

[potent pivot]

nah

you can run either when VSing or running different comps, or if you just prefer one over the other. doesn't matter very much.

some people prefer deathstalker and do quite well, some people prefer FB

[spring bough]

i think im gonna officially stick with BM for rest of the season as a main lol

keys and raid are just too ez and dont even mention solo shuffle. almost 4 wins minimum every lobby lol

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw shuffle is literal self abuse

[spring bough]

im tired of it lol

BM is too ez

throw a trap follow it with a stun boom 9 seconds of CC and someones dead most likely

[gleaming sentinel]

throw a miillion pets at someone

[spring bough]

yeah its a 2 button spam and a 3rd button for wrath and thats it lol

[spring bough]

2235 in 14 lobbys as BM.. wonder if i can hit elite in 100 rounds.. gotta 6-0 2 rounds in a row lol

[wet crown]

actually fucking insane that outlaw caught a nerf before ret

[sharp sierra]

Get those death sweep numbers up

Bro throwing glaives but not hitting rotation!!!

[spring bough]

lol was a fast round XD

[sharp sierra]

Haha I’m joking everytime I see my death sweep numbers are low I whisper to myself “I’m not waiting on essence windows enough but I won anyways who cares”

[spring bough]

onto the BM now and its feeling even better than DH lol

[wet crown]

How bads shaman

I assume fury war with mastery would be a total joje

[mystic shoal]

do we need 4pc for Sub/Assa or is 2pc fine?

[pliant mauve]

Idk why it just occurred to me but if you sapped, blinded and then kidney shot someone in real life you’d be smacking them in the head with a club, throwing powder into their eyes and then punching them in the stomach so hard it bruised their organs. That’s actually kind of mean.

[potent pivot]

4pc is good

for both sub and assa

assa fatebound specifically its kinda w/e whether you use it or not

[wet crown]

One thing I do love about fatebound sin

they really don't expect the death mark>kingsbane burst

they get sudden demised before they can react so often

[lone cypress]

whats an ideal burst setup/order look like for you?

sometimes i completely explode people as fatebound sin and sometimes their health doesnt move and i feel like im not doing something consistently

[wet crown]

I've been doing shiv>deathmark>kb

after all the bleeds are on ofc

[fluid trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044620848784490557/1417239976571310143/image.png?ex=68d1ac15&is=68d05a95&hm=60ddee739ecdb9705f79c717ff67fd78f90fe1f5f4f0daaee1e409b8966a8a08&

I decided to dust off my rogue so I'm not just a filthy ret main

[sharp sierra]

if anyone has any braincells it gets entirely removed by like half the classes in the game

[sharp sierra]

add kidney, that internal bleeding it adds HURTS

[lone cypress]

does it matter if you 5+ env before popping this or do you want to dump DM KB asap before spending more

[jaunty mirage]

I mean any meta where both ret and hpal are good is just a shit meta for rogues

Sin especially since prevoker is also good

Like 80% of your lobbies have multiple answers to every single go

[jolly sierra]

magnificent

[fluid trench]

ty ty, I play all (except evoker since I can't mog on that dogshit)

[jolly sierra]

fkn lizards