pvp

[tender tartan]

i've found some agency using this into the pally meta, they dont expect the nuke of cb actually affecting kingsbane

i hate losing my ds mark is the only thing it comes down to for why i like fb more lol

[exotic dove]

I dont mind either one and will play the one that is more successful in what I play. I will say this for Deathstalker I have won many games just not pressing Deathmark cause an evoker didnt want to bleed dispell or the pally didnt want to BOP unless Deathmark was used

and people died cause they didnt use it

The mind game is really fun in shuffle

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah for sure

I rarely kick in shuffle

Even at higher mmr it works extremely well

Obviously I still kick some stuff but there have been games where I ended with zero kicks and went 5-1 at 2300 mmr

[tender tartan]

i feel so useless against ol 😔

just constantly cc'd and feel clueless

[spring bough]

71% win rate? Time to retire for the season 😂

[exotic dove]

No one ever retires we just take breaks and besides despite the 2300 mmr the cr is still lower than I want to stop on

[jaunty mirage]

Could be worse

You could be the other rogue

(Playing outlaw, these are the jokes)

[sharp sierra]

Under 2000 gamers stand up

[grave basin]

hard stuck 2.2ers raise your hand

[tender tartan]

what about those of us inbetween

im still at 2024

[languid ravine]

-wipe the entire enemy team
-nobody intercepts flag or takes flag
-0-1 for the enemy team
-5 people start griefing

jackie chan what face

[dark moon]

holy priest elite went better than I expected

now im craving diamond trapping ret paladins on bm

also managed to get kyveza down to 30%, so it looks like its doable

[spring bough]

🤚

[spring bough]

Does it count tho if I’ve only done 8 ques on my hunter and he’s 1960? 😂

[unique garnet]

im at like 1200, I keep getting near 1800 then dropping down

Game keeps going "so you want to fight ret Pal and dh"

It is my first time playing rogue since legion back when between the eyes was a stun

[waxen meteor]

Haha typical

[tender tartan]

im in a vicious fucking cycle but one more good game

more green than red, i got this shit

[gleaming sentinel]

my poor main outlaw, but i finally beat the losing streak

[tender tartan]

[gleaming sentinel]

huge gaming

[tender tartan]

ah its not that bad only 132 queues

or so

[spring bough]

😭

[tender tartan]

51.7% wr

a metric fuckton of those were while brand new and learning though so fuck it, evening out

locking the FUCK in

[spring bough]

3RD outlaw almost fully geared with only 1 solo que done. ty crate farm lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Meanwhile my alt is 2200 with an mmr I can’t even see with no avg wait time lol

[sharp sierra]

Man I really hope they don’t nerf it

[spring bough]

i dont see how they can. nothing really to do about it. all it is is following spawn timers

[spring bough]

yeah my main outlaw 3k mmr in blitz 1950 ratingg 0 que pops ever

[sharp sierra]

They used to give less

If I remember right

[tender tartan]

40 min queue just for healer gap 😔

[spring bough]

2nd lobby on the new outlaw didnt go so hot 🙁

DH demo and arms.... i need like 100 conq for new weps lol

[tender tartan]

bros im going to lose it

51 second requeue nvm

6 points off

my chungus life

[orchid temple]

What's the role of rogues in epic BGs? Did an Ashran earlier and I wasn't entirely sure what I should have been doing

[tender tartan]

im gonna fucking crashout bois

[pliant lintel]

standard ret gameplay

[spring bough]

why are disc priest doing more shadow damage than shadow priests

what is this bs

[tender tartan]

actually went 2-4 because of this :/ woulda been a healer gap if the ret just pushed a goddamn defensive

[spring bough]

some resto sham wins no games getting mad asf telling me to delete my toon lol

he says idc idc i got instant ques ill keep talking so i hit him with "enjoy tilting in instant ques till u learn to heal" lmaoo

[dark moon]

guys

how do i share a video here

where do i upload it

i want to show an unexpected 1v1

[spring bough]

just drag it into the chat and if its the right file size ur good

[dark moon]

its 240 mb

[spring bough]

not sure what the max is tbh just try and drag it in itll tell u if its too big

[dark moon]

100 mb tops

[spring bough]

i use clipchamp when i cut videos to upload them here. maybe try that and take some time off the clip

i usually DL it as 720p too and that reduces the file size

[tender tartan]

all these rets can gargle my fucking blalls

anyway

im fucking free

under 1000 rounds, not too bad xd

51.94% wr

gross. oh well, im glad i made it

now i take a mental health break before looking at the tabard to see if that's some bullshit i want to persue

[glass hazel]

gz

[tender tartan]

Tyty

[spring bough]

i see a hunter in dorn named Trkzz... wonder who that could be hmmm

[dark moon]

I had to reduce quality (and ive never edited a single video in my life), and on top of that it's a friend of mine recording it while I was streaming to him in discord, so quality is garbanzo. A bit of a background story - I was alt tabbed while queued for shuffle and I heard this guy jump me. I thought I was playing KB FB that's why I popped on him like that, however, he used some items that topped himself instantly and I wasn't prepared for it. @spring bough

[potent pivot]

Prolly better to just upload a clip to YT

Then you aren’t limited by discord file size etc

[potent pivot]

_>

Turkz

[dark moon]

I'll look into how this works, thanks for the advice

[sharp sierra]

Horde? Run middle and ignore obj dont even bother

Alliance? Exploits and run 40 guardian druid premades

honestly though, depending on bg i normally whisper a tank and some hunter and say "follow me lets go kill boss"

Any other bg like wintersgrasp? Get in the fucking machines, the outside world of EBGs is for boomies

[waxen meteor]

GG!

I love double caster lobby against ret haha

The casters hit ret very hard

[tender tartan]

cant wait for a season without rets in 90% of games tho

[wet crown]

Sin?

What talent setup ya running? Thinking I'll push sin, probably

[tender tartan]

some yee yee headass bullshit i'll tell ya hwat

i'll send after crate farm

gearing dh so i can get elite mog later

[tender tartan]

here's my fuckshit

pick target, sap healer, sprint up to target, garr x2 rupt garr x2 CT vanish cheap bomb shiv+tea Badge+cb+kb slam big envenoms

weave a blind in on healer during go, you just treat it like dollar store sub

normal bleed gameplay until you get kb back then do it again

playing it like sub for our goes forces out the pally cds that make our life suck ass

also, sometimes you just win in 2s

if ya flip the right coins

the standard ds build that's pinned except for replacing sbs for kingsbane is my preference when im not against a ret or mm tho

against those 2 especially though, the faster gamestate this build and gameplan forces feels really good to me

[noble venture]

Does anyone know how this converts late season with inflation?

Trying to push for my first 2.4, I feel I might be closer than I think

[potent pivot]

no

[noble venture]

Cool

Different every season?

By such a large amount?

I haven't kept up with the numbers

[gilded gulch]

Depends how many people q

[potent pivot]

yep

[noble venture]

So we have no clue what range it could vary from?

Minimum and maximum historically?

[wet crown]

thats the reason I haven't yet, I didn't wanna do that for hours lol

[potent pivot]

Like 2500-4000

[noble venture]

Ok

[potent pivot]

Can probably expect another 100-200 inflation minimum by the end

[noble venture]

Thanks

[potent pivot]

But sitting your rating won’t make you better

[noble venture]

I don't intend to sit

Vod reviewing actively

[potent pivot]

Keep pushing

[noble venture]

Will do boss 👍

[gilded gulch]

might be lower this season

with mop classic

tbf

[tender tartan]

keeping it a buck, if you can find one of the really good group runners, they get all 7 crates every rotation and its genuinely worth the 5k since you get a vicious gemstone usually

the free groups are only rotating 3-4 consistently

like this is after an hour 10

with mistakes on my end from getting distracted by dog

plus the raw bloodstone drop im still up 10k

I usually only go up to the conq weapons, but sometimes more

[sharp sierra]

good group and itll take 2hrs at most

in first hour youll have two set

[stoic spruce]

im not playing this garbage game when healers are as strong as they are

[jolly sierra]

welcome to shadowlands TWW

dude what the fuck is this

[glass hazel]

bm lost to dc

[wet crown]

at least the affliction earns it, kinda

Fact ret is doing as much is fucking lol

Can you imagine if sub rogue had shadow blades every 30 seconds and three charges of cloak/evasion you could use interchangably

they wouldn't even wait for the first reset to nerf that

[jolly sierra]

weirdest SS game ever

i ended 2-4 cuz it ended being a speedrun to kill the voidweavers disc

[jolly sierra]

i was the ret

[wet crown]

...

I'm not sorry.

[jolly sierra]

lit, how tf

[stoic spruce]

just hopped on WW

wtf do you mean theyre bad?

[outer sky]

WW is never really that good because all it does is damage. Its arguably the most utility starved dps in the game. And most teams can handle raw damage. So either it does so much damage that it can kill straight through major defensive CDs and is therefore busted, or its sub par because it "does a lot of damage but not a broken amount" but nothing else isnt really enough to make something be good

[stoic spruce]

your defensive is your mobility

it has disarm and an ms

what am I reading?

I knew I shouldve stopped at the end of the first sentence

[outer sky]

disarm isnt good into everything and lots of classes have that stuff

[stoic spruce]

sure but that doesnt negate its usefulness

[outer sky]

for a spec to be "good", it has to be good relative to other things

WW just isnt that good relative to other options

[stoic spruce]

me when I ignore ww/arms, walking dead, ww/ret, etc

[grave basin]

OINK OINK

[stoic spruce]

piggy is my favroite

[grave basin]

poor mage on this round lost twice cause of 1 shots lol

[outer sky]

ok here

why doesnt sudden demise proc

he has 15s of garrote on him

at 537k hp

[stoic spruce]

theres no way blizz didnt do some cringe coding for it in pvp

[jaunty mirage]

Hasn’t TWD has been a tournament comp on and off since ww was introduced

[stoic spruce]

tourny doesnt count

they counterpick

[jaunty mirage]

But surely they wouldn’t pick it if it was bad

[stoic spruce]

they'll unironically pick arcane/gdudu/mw

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah but they aren’t just out here playing completely off-meta specs is what I’m sayin

[stoic spruce]

sometimes they do

not at random ofc

[jaunty mirage]

Sure lol but that’s not what I’m saying

[outer sky]

my garrote tooltip says it does 1.8m damage over 18s. so 100k/second. so at 15s left that means 1.5m damage is remaining. Sudden Demise is supposed to proc in pvp when I have 250% more bleed damage rolling than they have hp if under 10%. So if at 537k hp at 3% it should proc when I have 1,342,500 bleed damage on them. Which is less clearly less than what Is ticking on him. So why doesn't it proc????????????????????????????????????

[jaunty mirage]

How hard are you pressing the button

[outer sky]

its not a button

[jaunty mirage]

These are the jokes

[outer sky]

the only joke is this game's coding

[jaunty mirage]

Wrong again

Ret players

[outer sky]

true

the only thing I can think of is Sudden Demise is coded to proc off the damage that would be done outside of pvp

but that would be a bug

[stoic spruce]

a bug in wow?

aint no way

[outer sky]

I know man

[stoic spruce]

on ROGUE?

youre being silly rn

I think after The Last Titan, they should take the time to rebuild the game tbh

[outer sky]

i think most of these bugs are intentional tbh

[stoic spruce]

whys that

[outer sky]

because its the only excuse for not fixing them

Like the evoker fire breath combat bug

thats the easiest fix in the world

but its been in the game since evokers have been in the game

[grave basin]

when was the last time we had a positive bug that didnt get INSTA fixed

[stoic spruce]

snd bug

ho bug

fth bug

https://tenor.com/view/chess-checkmate-its-it-over-gif-17459417336418427755

all current btw

[grave basin]

ho bug??

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[grave basin]

whats bugged about ho

[stoic spruce]

HO proc can make ambush hit 3 times

[grave basin]

snd?

[stoic spruce]

with one charge of SC, you can spam SnD for almost infinite cdr because the game thinks its using 5 CPs instead of the one from ruthlessness

[grave basin]

who tf figured that out

[stoic spruce]

it was a thing back in SL with ER

[grave basin]

how puggging as outlaw

did you get 3k io yet

do you play in a premade

[stoic spruce]

no, the pug scene sucks rn

I do with friends

but theyre rarely on

[grave basin]

i need 10 ecodome and there's no1 listing for some reason

also shuffle queues are horrendous, 30mins at this time of day

[plush pumice]

does anyone know if icy veins bis for rogues is right? it has no crafted gear just conquest

[grave basin]

youd want to craft the slots that you can with heraldries

dont trust icy viens for anything

[plush pumice]

is there a site or a place to go to see whats bis?

or is it craft everything but your weapons?

[grave basin]

murlok.io

[grave basin]

how many keys do you run a week you think

on your outlaw

above 10s

[wet crown]

It's weird, like in delves/some world content it won't proc due to weirdness with the base scaling.

[outer sky]

Im just so sick of all these things not working as theyre supposed to

[wet crown]

Paladin bugged? Fixed hour after patch

Rogue bug? Lol fuck you

[grave basin]

it doesnt proc in delves and open world content

from what i know

[outer sky]

This was a BG

[grave basin]

assa's singular focus is also turbo bugged

yea i know

just saying assa is bugged to shit

[outer sky]

Yeah

Ive lost so many games

To meld not letting me re

Because of singular focus

[grave basin]

that's one bug

it also doesnt siphon back damage from caustic splatter

[outer sky]

And people who dont play rogue dont understand how impactful that is

I really really really need them to also fix the evoker fire breath combat bug

[untold remnant]

This feels SO good 😄 Ret that goes 0-6

[lone jasper]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOhL9GCiU0T/?igsh=ZWMzbzVjdHMzb2k5 😀😀

[potent pivot]

Not just assa

[grave basin]

Idk I just played Assa this whole expac

[potent pivot]

@lone jasper ??? The fuck you posting

[grave basin]

But rogue in general is just held together by ducktape

[lone jasper]

? What

[potent pivot]

What’s with the boosting advertisement

[lone jasper]

Just met a video about paladin, didnt even notice any text.

Im not boosting anyone 😀

[potent pivot]

Ah ok

I can only see the text so it looks hella sus

[lone jasper]

Sry for that, no mate, ill never do anything like that.

[potent pivot]

Npnp

[indigo hill]

Managed to get my tokens back!

[potent pivot]

Nice

[spring bough]

So many bugs not fixed it’s like blizz wants no one playing outlaw 😭

[spring bough]

Hunter Passive hero talents doing more normal dmg than outlaws whole toolkit 😭

[grave basin]

Omg it's a bear! Omg it's a boar !

[tight hill]

its bugged in PVE aswell

https://youtu.be/Sy3vDx7jKD0?si=PoqDmH8pOVHCNt4B&t=44

apparently something to do with scaling?

i guess if blizz is basing it off HP pools before any scaling is applied, plus the stam bonus from trinkets etc

wouldnt surprise me

[potent pivot]

thats mostly for like, open world scaling shit isn't it?

i do think something odd is going on with it in the background of the pvp scaling, but its not quite as bad as the open world scaling thing

[tight hill]

idk, the delve example he shows seems to behave pretty similar to pvp from the numbers ive seen on mine

impossible to say without seeing the code i guess

[potent pivot]

ye delve/open world etc

the weird thing about it in pvp is that sometimes it works like its supposed to, sometimes it just doesn't

from my understanding it just never really works like it's supposed to in delve/open world because the scaling is extra wonky

but i haven't actually watched the vid through so idk

[stoic spruce]

Sounds like it's unreliability makes it not a good pick

[potent pivot]

well its still just too good not to take

[stoic spruce]

Assuming it'll work

[potent pivot]

no

[stoic spruce]

Whereas other times a talent point into a talent that works 100% seems better

[potent pivot]

even assuming it never worked, its too good

[stoic spruce]

Why?

Oh nvm

[potent pivot]

+15% bleed damage

lol

[stoic spruce]

Isn't that super low in the tree too?

[potent pivot]

ye

[stoic spruce]

Crazy

[spring bough]

Over under on tuning by Friday

Whose taking bets

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it's totally random

And tbh, as a player, I feel it works less and less since the talent was added

Nowadays I think it hardly works in Arena nor BG

Like I can feel they are killed by this like less than 20% of the cases

[potent pivot]

ye because its nerfed

a lot of the time other damage will kill someone before it can proc

the weird instances are like when someone is 5% and has full bleeds on them but it doesn't proc

[waxen meteor]

yeah

It's basically just a bleed dmg buff talent now

even if it reliablly kills enemy at 10-15% HP, we will be at a better spot than today

[jaunty osprey]

BUFF SUDDEN DEMISE TO 100%

INSTEAD OF 10%

if we puts bleeds up, they should just execute

[spring bough]

Thought this was real had to check wowhead to confirm

[noble venture]

How do you guys go into VOD reviews, like mindset-wise?

Sometimes I get great value out of them, but other times I go weeks on end with no discernable difference in my play

It's very strange, I guess it's easy to hit walls sometimes

[grave basin]

as in you do your own self vod review?

[noble venture]

Yeah

I only review my own vods, maybe that's the issue haha

[grave basin]

probs better to get someone else to review it no

[noble venture]

I mean yeah, but usually people charge for that

But I have considered it a few times lol

[potent pivot]

you can just post here and if someone has time maybe they'll take a look

[noble venture]

I'll try that, thanks : )

[grave basin]

idk why i even bother playinh shuffle

EVERY GAME

HAS A RET

EVERY

[spring bough]

You know what funny thing I’m about to do? Make a ret so I’m the ret yall complaining about 😂

[grave basin]

it's just so fucking dogshit meta bro

idk blizzard is just garbage at resource management

nerfing templar like it makes a fucking difference

[wet crown]

Barely too

Pretty sure empyrean hammer does full damage

Which is like the bulk of Templar dps

[grave basin]

yea im sure that will make a difference to thier 9 saves and unkitable magic dam

[noble venture]

I find it so funny how one of Ret's highest damage abilities is a dot

Dawnlight iirc

They truly have it all, anime protags of pvp hahha

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EzmozlzHDsqJo6FnZpmrZ9fX5XMrjG4v/view?usp=sharing
Here's a VOD of one of my recent games

Some things I noticed.. I was taking too long to trade defs, way too long infact. I also was not kicking repentance very well at all.
Also didn't allow my healer to move up in time with that sap possibly.

This team has been rinsing us consistently, so I imagine there's some trend in how I face Rets

[exotic dove]

Sorry in advance for my Hunters diamond ice trap. If you happen to be in his lobby the hunter is not played as often as my rogues anyway

[spring bough]

Don’t worry I’ll log onto my BM throw em right back 😂

Bout to have the powers of DH, BM, and Ret for the season

[exotic dove]

After going back Deathstalker I don’t really care about Rets as much in shuffle as Assa most don’t want to use BOP unless deathmark happens but I don’t need to press it to win games

They are still annoying don’t get me wrong but not as annoying when I was doing fatebound in shuffle

[jolly sierra]

deathstalker is good af rn, its underrated af

but using cloak as a second defensive

[lone jasper]

With deathstalker you play more defensively?

[jolly sierra]

cloak defends from physical damage

[lone jasper]

Im not about cloak, i mean build. Im first time fb this season and play aggressive but have problems like people write here, so trying to change something

[potent pivot]

Not really

When playing DS you’ve got more emphasis on your aoe damage

With FB you’ve got more emphasis on ST damage

[jolly sierra]

damage with deathstalker comes mostly from singular focus and DS Mark itself

[potent pivot]

You’re somewhat less trying to lock one target down and burst yourself

[lone jasper]

Ye, im gonna try DS for sure on this season again, because im really tired of fb in shuffle

[jolly sierra]

also your shadowstep is improved

[gleaming sentinel]

Feels like fatebound you’re really hunting for that smoke bomb game winner

[jolly sierra]

as it constantly drops cd

[gleaming sentinel]

Ds kinda m+

[jolly sierra]

but

let fools go FB and eat the nerfs

[sharp sierra]

this isnt real, its a fake ability disguised as a lua script used to track your bathroom cycles in order to pop ques during the most inconvenient moment for you

[jolly sierra]

so DS players go safely

like happened w avatar rets

[lone jasper]

When playing FB builds, you are more dependent on other players in your group i suppose. I always have a problem changing targets. I lose half my energy to pinging when I change targets, and it's very difficult to keep up.

[jolly sierra]

when they nerfed templars

[sharp sierra]

hm maybe i try ds today

anyone got a build for it they are rocking rn?

[lone jasper]

This season has been really hard for me. I always start with a conversation, but most of them don't listen at all. During Smokey and Burst, they almost have a completely different target. Lately, they've been targeting Healer from the beginning and not switching to my target at all. I don't understand what's going on. I've never had such a difficult season.

[jolly sierra]

singular focus allows to do dmg to DS Mark target

if you switch

[sharp sierra]

so for ds is it garrote > ambush or vice versa

[lone jasper]

Ambush

First

[sharp sierra]

[potent pivot]

.> bruh what

[lone jasper]

For the mark, as i know

[potent pivot]

It’s kinda the opposite

As DS you have no real kill power

Just spread cleave bleed damage for the most part

[jolly sierra]

yes, lets bait players

so ppl play safe

[potent pivot]

Idk I think both are in their own good place

[jolly sierra]

oh i was talking about ret situation

w wrong hero spec getting nerfed

XD

[potent pivot]

Oh lmao

[jolly sierra]

ye, templar was the bait spec

avatar did the safer and more consistent dmg

[wet crown]

I'm still incredibly amused that outlaw got nuked out the gate, if all things

Was the coin broken? Yeah, but I mean looking at everything else? Lol

[jolly sierra]

i am sorry i broke the streak

[fluid trench]

As a ret main, you right we gotta go

[grave basin]

i still havent played any caster yet

maybe ill try demo

[potent pivot]

Rogue is always the first class nerfed when things are OP

So much of the community bitches about rogue and only a tiny fraction of people play rogue compared to other classes

[pliant lintel]

that's because it has more than 4 buttons and too complex for the average person

[spring bough]

Bros in here cause his ret discord been shut down 😭

[spring bough]

Rest of the community can kiss our rogue asses. MIDNIGHT we will finally shine… right?? Right?!?!?

[wet crown]

Rogue or mage, really

[fluid trench]

I play every class but rets in general carry themselves with an air of entitlement that I find revolting. We’ve not once been bad

[potent pivot]

A lot of people speculate that’s it’s largely attributed to rogue having a poor leveling experience

[wet crown]

That and the kill condition isn't as straightforward as say

hoj healer and press wake

[spring bough]

I clipped that. Hello new blizz forums spam. Time to get rets nuke nerfed

[fluid trench]

If I can get gladiator and CE with it anyone else can

[wet crown]

What pisses me off about rets

[pliant lintel]

what do they expect when you have to pop dance to kill a normal mob 🤣

[wet crown]

remember SL season one where they had the tank legendary that just made them straight unkillable, while having stupid burst?

They had the balls to say they were weak, and they keep fucking doing it.

I genuinely hate the ret playerbase more than DH and hunter combined

[potent pivot]

Oh we could go on and on about the real issues of rogue leveling, I’ve read discussions about it ad nauseam

[wet crown]

I'm surprised sub doesn't have an on kill effect for leveling

like you drop a dude and your next shadowstrike autocrits and does x more damage or whatever.

[potent pivot]

Ye they constantly say “buff ret” even when they’re good

[pliant lintel]

it was just as bad back in the day though when you couldn't backstab mobs

[potent pivot]

You see it everywhere

[wet crown]

Legit the best M+ dps below a 14 for like the last three years lol

[potent pivot]

One hero tree has issues? Delete the spec channel in the discord in protest!

[wet crown]

And that only recently changed because of how absurd scaling is r/n, and them getting a longer cd

[lone jasper]

Ive noticed even rogue players asking for nerf on YT 🤣

[wet crown]

The main thing I like about rogue over my lock and mage is that I find myself to not be the kill target even half as much

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean it was obvious that it would get nerfed tbf

[lone jasper]

A lot of videos with the title rogue is broken

[potent pivot]

Mhm

[wet crown]

the yt shorts of palumor playing ret are hilarious.

Bro's just accidentally killing someone that isn't even his target.

[fluid trench]

I miss the days when people accepted their class or spec had parts of its kit nobody else had and were weak to certain classes because of it. Not every spec should feel the same and ret is the biggest culprit - mained it since 2007 and now we have everything except an MS

I want to feel useful not all powerful

[pliant lintel]

caster's don't get MS bro

[wet crown]

I miss sub having garrote. I'm not saying sub needs sin's bleed damage, I just liked the caster openers a lot more with it.

[fluid trench]

I think bleeds were a big part of what made rogue rogue, now feral and sin feel relatively samey

[wet crown]

But on the flip side, I also acknowledge how obnoxious melee mobility is for casters already and that wouldn't help

I don't know how something that isn't a mage even deals with it at this point.

[fluid trench]

Sobbing helps

[wet crown]

I really don't care for the legion sub rework.

I still think mop sub was peak >_>

[fluid trench]

Mop in general was peak class design but I’d rather have it in the modern game than go play classic where none of it carries over and I already played it exhaustively back then

[wet crown]

Like

I hate how shitty backstab feels r/n

[spring bough]

I’m over here like I got some cool stuns. Now warlock, DH, monk, and idk probably others have AOE stuns and a second stun as well

[wet crown]

I understand it's tuned that way because our burst is so ridiculous, but man I basically might as well be afk while waiting on blades.

[spring bough]

How many classes all have fears too 😭

[wet crown]

Isn't mage the only class without a stun r/n

[spring bough]

They have a stun

[wet crown]

or an effective stun

besides snowdrift

[spring bough]

Plus they have 100 roots that are like stuns

[wet crown]

eh

[spring bough]

Oh and they can blink out of how many stuns 3?

[pliant lintel]

too many modifiers in the game now and that's not just for rogue

[fluid trench]

Ret had blessings that made it a unique blend of support, they made them easily purgeable or dispellable and overcompensated with damage and mobility and now ret players (in general) would cry and moan if even a percent of that went away for the sake of reobtaining their identity

[pliant lintel]

that's why damage is ass

[wet crown]

I hope frost mage gets a rework in midnight

because we need a hero to make ret paladins miserable.

[spring bough]

You know what would be funny asf? If they gave outlaw some of this for midnight. I’d love to read ret disc then

[wet crown]

We'll be miserable too, but they'll be more miserable.

[fluid trench]

Honestly it would kind of fit outlaw to “cheat the scales”

[spring bough]

We need maneuverability back

[wet crown]

Me when I randomly roll seal of blood

[spring bough]

But then give us a pvp talent that AOEs maneuverability root break to teammates 🔥

[wet crown]

Imagine a roll that turned pistol shot into blunderbus

[spring bough]

Then rets aren’t special 😭

[wet crown]

I miss blunderbus + greenskins

That was burst lol

[spring bough]

Gimme back my bussy gsw with venth

[wet crown]

whip out a shotgun and one shot a ret with an autocrit

[fluid trench]

https://tenor.com/view/sindrome-walking-the-incredibles-gif-11763481662238393839

[wet crown]

Syndrome 100% played ret

[fluid trench]

1000%

Buddy’s true villain arc wasn’t being denied, it was going 0-6 at 1600 as ret

[wet crown]

Isn't top dps once

kills every hero

[fluid trench]

Replace outlaw with the ret icon and it’s me 😆

Any ret who thinks we’re bad clearly doesn’t remember having to seal twist

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-clint-eastwood-coffee-gif-4550317

[jolly sierra]

do u think avatar should be nerfed instead templar in pvp?

templar was mostly the FOTM i recall

[fluid trench]

Yes, Templar was easier to predict but it popped off because of other multipliers. Herald has been the main culprit of complaints since season 1 and has flown under the radar because it’s bad in pve but it is devastating in PvP

Herald makes ret a constant damage turret ranged dps

It’s basically a ranged feral or sin rogue

[jolly sierra]

can confirm as alt, herald had an extremely consistent damage pool with avatar of sun and dawnlight buff

which they had short time ago

imo they turned into a safe S after that

[fluid trench]

They’ve been a safe S since SL - the only counter to ret really is if your brain goes smooth and you outplay yourself and die

I don’t like only having fun on ret and getting dumpstered on my alts because there’s a ret or 2 present

Being too good is too boring

[jolly sierra]

yesterday i ended 2-4 in a SS w the ret cuz the voidweaver discs turned into a dps race the match

two voidweavers

[fluid trench]

Ok tbf shuffle is a different story

It’s an anomaly where everyone is smooth

[jolly sierra]

dude was the weirdest match ive ever got

how tf a voidweaver priest outdpsed a BM

[fluid trench]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-brainlet-wojak-meme-gif-17170021

That BM

[jolly sierra]

seems like

wait

[jolly sierra]

.

here

[fluid trench]

Damn dude was battle pet spec

[jolly sierra]

dunno how tf it happened tbh

weirdest match in season for me

[spring bough]

When I see rets go 0-6 my first thought is buddy can’t play the easiest class in the game? Time to log off and delete account

Then when they pop 0 bubbles it makes it even worse lol

[fluid trench]

https://tenor.com/view/elio-lizard-button-gif-10528652411096742370

[formal pebble]

Friend who hasn't pvped since vanilla really wanted the elite set on paladins.

Told them to just one button ret.

They got 1800 and thier set in like 2 weeks. All they had to learn was cds and then just one button everything else

[dawn hornet]

geez

how many other specs could say they have it that easy

[gilded gulch]

tbf you can get 1800 on most melee just doing a basic damage rotation

and occasionally landing a cc on healer

[formal pebble]

Hardest part of getting the elite set is not mental booming when teammates run it down.

Cough cough the dk who deathgripped the fc to his healer.

[spring bough]

Single button rotation 🔥

[exotic dove]

You know I did hear single button works really well with Rets and BM Hunter

never tried it myself though

[waxen meteor]

BM dmg rotation has almost nothing yeah

Ret can be a lot better if you do manually, but at the same, if you just do one button, still works ...

If Ret goes the light connection side, you sort of want to connect with all three enemy individuals, then you become a holy affl lock

[pliant lintel]

last season i tried single button rotation to 2400 challenge on a demo warlock and managed to get to 2200

[stoic spruce]

[jade hollow]

ok fellas

noob question here

when i play against a hunter, sometimes i can vanish (like it removes a stack) but nothing actually happens

[sharp sierra]

yeah its because youre playing rogue

[jolly sierra]

stack of what

[summer drum]

Maybe means charge

[jade hollow]

stack of vanish

[waxen meteor]

standing in
?

[jade hollow]

maybe yea

but then i cant vanish right?

like cant press it

[waxen meteor]

I remember yeah you can't

but honestly i am not that certain

[tender tartan]

you cannot, correct

can bleeds take you out of stealth?

maybe its that or smth

just instantly getting taken out of stealth after vanishing

[low hornet]

Yes bleeds absolutely take you out of stealth. Any damaging debuff will.

[midnight grove]

why did a shaman nuke me for 9mil dmg

[glass zinc]

Hi, I feel a little dumb.
As sub, if I open like that :
CS > shadow dance > symbols > shadow blades > evi > shadow strike > secret tech > CS > evi > CS > evi

This should be stun lock right ?
I spam my binds but there is always one little little break between them T_T

[potent pivot]

If they have a passive effect that lowers stun duration it might gap ye

Like pally, orc, etc

[outer sky]

Ive had it happen before where I've vanished, got instantly CCd, and got empowered garrotes and silences but never access to cheap shot. Ive also seen something similar where I only get empowered garrote once and after I press it it silences but puts garrote on CD.

[glass zinc]

oh right, didnt think about that

[waxen meteor]

oh i have run into it too

rarely but it does happen

[waxen meteor]

Doesn't work against Orc

it's kinda goofy you have to change rotation against orc

not very good for muscle memory

[spring bough]

What’s the best race for a horde rogue. Should I keep leveling my high mountain to make an indestructible outlaw or do I pick another horde race

[outer sky]

Can you imagine if shit like that was happening to any other class? Like I know every class deals with some bugs but nothing that totally negates their entire class design.

Like what if there were a bug where warbreaker just didnt always proc avatar. Or where eye beam didnt grant meta. People would lose their shit. Why do we put up with this??

[jolly sierra]

pandaren

[spring bough]

They’d do something crazy like idk shut down a discord for buffs

[spring bough]

Idk how I feel about furry races lol

[jolly sierra]

its a panda

iconic one

since like 20+ years ago lol

[spring bough]

i have one panda but its a monk lol

[jolly sierra]

good start

now do a rog

KEK

[spring bough]

im torn tonight. do i level a new rogue. solo on the BM or solo on the outlaw. fresh BM is 8 lobbys in and 1960 and the outlaw is 6 lobbys in and 1715

[spring bough]

ive honestly been thinking about whats the most bang for ur buck racial and its gotta be the gnome one, right? 1 min CD that doesnt trigger the pvp trinket. either that or meld gotta be the most bang for ur buck

[outer sky]

Kul'tiran is good in RBGs if you care about that

[spring bough]

yeah my main rogue kultiran played it S1 and S2 solely for blitz lol

[outer sky]

Just yeet someone off the edge of Lumbermill and cap

[spring bough]

the account with him was suspended at the startt of the season so i havent played him yet

[outer sky]

Ngl the healers I've been playing with lately have been so shit that im tempted to roll undead so at least after my teammate dies i can use cannibalize to actually get healed

[spring bough]

dont forget u can use bandages in game

[outer sky]

Man I forgot about that. I dont think I've seen anyone do that in ages. Literally thousands of games ago. It must be a totally irrelevant amount of healing

[spring bough]

honestly its not. one bandage can take u from prob 30% to close to fully healed

cap it with crimson vial and u back to 100% restealth into another go

[outer sky]

But how long does that take

[spring bough]

weavercloth is an 8 second duration and will give u back over 3milly health

[grave cove]

hello im new player playing outlaw anyone wanne explain starter rotation pvp

[runic laurel]

how does 3m get u from 30% to close to 100%

[outer sky]

Yeah vial plus bandage is only about 1/3rd of your health

So you'd be around 60% if you did em both at 30%

[runic laurel]

There’s a new spell called recuperation or something but I’ve never tried it in arena

Idk if it fully replaces bandages or what

[jolly sierra]

doesnt works there

would be too op if you go to pillar and use that spell

[runic laurel]

Actually I’ve seen dhs use bandages while in nether but not this season

[spring bough]

cant use it in rated

[spring bough]

yeah was more in S1 and S2 prob not worth it now lol

idk tho every 1 health point counts tho lol

[potent pivot]

Check out the #outlaw-faq and wowhead. It’s practically identical to pve when it comes to dpsing

[spring bough]

bout to 6-0 a ret, arms, udk lobby

outlaws back baby

how do i go this crazy and DK dies... end with a 5-1 RIP

[wet crown]

my favorite shit in the world was them calling mages op

like buddy look in a mirror

[spring bough]

on twin peaks running flag back... get to our GY... stop to drop flag for evo... second i press my cancel aura macro he flies away with me and the flags behind us and enemy boomy returned LOL

[gleaming sentinel]

if you're a blitz player, the kultiran is prretty sick... i kinda want a kultiran outlaw

[spring bough]

yeah i got quite a few clips of LM haymaker to flag cap and punching EFCs off twin peaks map

[gleaming sentinel]

@jaunty osprey your evokers pov, i have no clue how he plays like that lol

[karmic summit]

is there any high rated assa 3s player i can watch some games trying to learn assa?

[potent pivot]

you can post a vod and if someone gets time maybe they'll take a look

[grave basin]

@spring bough

[spring bough]

sad days

[grave basin]

oink oink mf

[karmic summit]

ill try to record my next session thanks

[gleaming sentinel]

training wheels spec that world questers play or giga chad 500 iq 1mill apm spec

[spring bough]

brb logging onto my BM

[gleaming sentinel]

[outer sky]

if you want to open the priest, sap the priest first, then the ret. That way you have Blackjack on both targets.

You blinded the priest which removed your big garrotes and all your other dots but didn't send a stun into the pally and also he was standing in dome so you were never going to get anything from that blind. The Priest already had it covered with the dome so all you did was remove your own damage

at 0:58 you got to 1% without using a defensive. It turned out fine but you should probably press something before it gets to that point because you could have easily just been dead there. And you ended up overlapping evasion and life swap

You're not playing crimson tempest, which is a big problem. You take that even in 2s.

At 1:11 you only garroted the pally once off your vanish. You need to do it twice to extend the duration of the empowered bleed. Using it twice will make it last for 24s instead of just 18s.

[noble venture]

Thanks : )

[waxen meteor]

I feel the 2000-2200 MMR gap now is HUGE

Just did a alt game at 2.0 MMR

Monk pressing all offensive CD against Boped warrloock

and kept going at lock till sitting whole CD

Ret attacking through entire monk bubble, never swap

[gleaming sentinel]

no tuning, i cant believe ret is gonna stay this way

[spring bough]

#nochangesuntilmidnight

i wonder what OP ret apex talents they are gonna cook up to continue their dominance for another xpack

ima pretend i did this on the outlaw

[waxen meteor]

Is this marksman or surv

[spring bough]

BM

[waxen meteor]

Shame on you

[spring bough]

its fun asf

2 buttons

all ST and it just cleaves

[waxen meteor]

I did a 17-0 last week in blitz, I still haven't got the 20-0 achievement in US account :((((

[waxen meteor]

Just maintain a buff every 7s

that's all bm is about

[spring bough]

u talkin multi? not playing that for blitz just dire cleave lol

[sharp sierra]

i feel like a traitor playing my dh

how funny that a dot i dont even need to think about does more damage than all 3 of sins combined

"oh glaive is up! free 50 mil damage"

[spring bough]

my blitz team is down 1 dps and we up 2/3 in WSG

the power of boomy BM cannot be stopped

oh and ele shaman

[grave basin]

my hunter is now just farming 10s-12s for 3k and vault

so after 8 keys on him im gonna start doing 1800 sets

ww should start doing 10s this week

[grave basin]

Mage or warlock 1800 set first hmm 🤔

Fuck it @spring bough it's time for double Ret

[jaunty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-disgust-rude-lie-liar-gif-5884411

[median wagon]

You need to play for a long time

[untold remnant]

Every final verdict after wake of ashes guarantees to strike 3 extra times at 300% effectiveness. The final hit resets the cooldown of wake of ashes

Judgement increases the range of all abilities to 40 yards for 5 seconds

[harsh kiln]

How is that fun😅

[indigo zealot]

quick questions - was thinking about starting the hateful journey to 1.8k for the mog. if i am really bad at pvp i play bleed assa like last season right? second question - are the cloaks somewhat relevant in pvp ? and if so are the boots from raid way stronger than normal boots? (50% more procs on cloak). thanks in advance 🙂

[molten hedge]

Are there any r1 assa coaches?

[glass hazel]

stats good on cloak plus it does some damage, boots not good, just look at murloc and choose what most people play and you will be good https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/solo#gear

[indigo zealot]

thank you! always forget about murlok.io not sure why the boots are bad or not good when looking at the crafted stats. boots from raid are high vers/mastery so they should be at least as good as crafted (on mythic ilvl) or am i missing something?

[glass hazel]

pvp players dont play mythic raids usually, that's the reason if you have mythic boots go for it since it is same item lvl plus bonus (usually everything 50% nerfed in pvp)

[indigo zealot]

makes sense. thanks again 🙂

[glass hazel]

and if it is normal\hc pvp just better stat wise

glad i could help

[dark moon]

Cloak with mastery most likely and i haven't seen people using the raid boots. Playstyle is the same from last season - bleed everything - dot and rot. Focus kidney/gouge on healer (bleeds dont break gouge) and that's it. It really is m+ in pvp

Just try to do max damage and while doing so, disrupt healer if possible

[indigo zealot]

was looking at the builds on murlok and will most likely be playing the rot build as you suggested as well - fewer people but probably easier thank you as well

[dark moon]

Bleed build is just more consistent, ye. Good luck with the climb!

[spring bough]

Cause it does a gazillion damage and I can sit 40 yards out of harms way 😂

[spring bough]

DH rot >> sin rot

[dark moon]

I think feral way of dotting is actually far more pleasant than assa

[outer sky]

because feral doesnt need to bleed the entire damn team and they're not slowed to shit 90% of the game relying on 2 shadowsteps for mobility

[dark moon]

I'm talking in general and pve too

But still, easier and pleasant. Hope we get some QOL soon, as the "rework" that we received in DF was such a disappointment compared to the glow up of ret and shadow priests.

[molten hedge]

I mained feral the last 2 seasons and assa feels much better overall. Just my opinion. Shifting roots and avoiding cc is nice though

[dark moon]

Which part feels better? Not talking pvp strictly, but dotting as feral seems like a breeze, no?

[glass hazel]

cancer mechanic with use of 3 different abilities

assa crucial problem is... dotting 3 target does less overall damage than some specs do via tunneling

like aff lock does waaaay more damage than us in same conditions of multidotting

[sharp sierra]

But we have cc!…wait

But we have stealth!…wait

But our dots are good right….?

[dark moon]

The cc joke was far too good, I give you that.

[dark moon]

I don't even know why kidney got the 30 second treatment

[spring bough]

Cause blizz hates rogue that’s the only answer

[molten hedge]

I mean it’s harder than assa imo. Bc you have to keep up blood talons and snapshot with tigers fury

It’s not super complicated, but it’s way harder than assa bleeding

[waxen meteor]

cause it's rogue, rogue makes other player unable to play the game

they one shot people

[jolly sierra]

good shit, thank you

[potent pivot]

https://youtu.be/QEOifFW0Iso?si=zydSwqOj3FuWLE22

[dark moon]

you must be talking about rets arcanes boomkins warriors

[noble venture]

Shitting my pants whenever they pop combust

[jolly sierra]

i love how this thread trolls rets hard

[spring bough]

“I saw the light” comment has me crying laughing

[potent pivot]

it is our duty

[noble venture]

funny video but damn that looked like it hurt

[spring bough]

so we had 12 rounds of solo last week and this week again. not too bad

no more sparks or bloody tokens farming thank god lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Time to uncap conquest soon!

[spring bough]

love the uncap after we are all geared XD

finally gonna finish the all white glad mog set tho

[gleaming sentinel]

Surely they will tune after we’re all geared

[spring bough]

yeah.... sure.... cant wait for friday.......

[spring bough]

why is BM too easy man....

[spare salmon]

hey with fatebund, tea is better with kingsbane or death mark or still use with shiv?

[fluid trench]

Gonna put this here again, we deserve an extra 0

[jolly sierra]

this ret main is very likeable guys ngl

[potent pivot]

Can just use it with shiv, you should always have a shiv for kb or dm either way

[spring bough]

this mage wins round 1 with me loses round 2 and the holy pally immediately claims he is win trading.... and since then the mage hasnt won a round lol

[outer sky]

I still find myself spamming kidney when its not off CD yet because I haven't been able to overwrite the last 20 years of muscle memory ive built telling me when it should be off CD

[spring bough]

know whats sick? when u trap a war, start to cap the flag and ur ret comes running up and starts smacking the warrior....

[outer sky]

I had something happen yesterday where I sapped the enemy base sitter and started capping and like over half way through the cap my guy just randomly starts auto attacking the sapped base sitter

Like, my own character

I have no idea why

[spring bough]

happened too me as well. i stopped targeting them when i go for flag cap so i dont attack anything

esp when playing DH it happens a lot lol

[outer sky]

In 10 man RBGs where cap is 6 seconds you really can't. You have to click cap and press sap at the exact same time in order to cap within the sap since they last the same amount of time

So youre always targeting the sapped target during the cap

[spring bough]

maybe try turning away from them? i do that as well

[outer sky]

Can you turn while capping? I dont even remember

[spring bough]

yeah u should be able to 180 away while still capping

[outer sky]

Or the game could just not be bad

[spring bough]

yeah they could like idk tune some stuff and maybe set a plan to fix bugs lmao

[jaunty osprey]

DONT U GUYS LOVE

SUDDEN DEMISE RANDOMLY KILLING

2 SECONDS INTO A RAY OF HOPE

at 65% hp

LOL

[outer sky]

I cant even get sudden demise to proc when its supposed to proc

[jolly sierra]

it always procs for me

but not always gives the other guy the stroke xd

[spring bough]

bros got the cheat codes

i see some warrior hanging in dorn his title is "Crashin' Thrashin' Groinpuncher" lololol

[stoic spruce]

The most net neutral change ever tbh

[daring plover]

question, if i get a myth track vers mast belt

wouldnt i just wear that for PVP?

[fluid trench]

I’m likeable because I’m not delusional, ret is and always has been an over performer and while I main it for the love of the game people can’t keep being so shit for free

[daring plover]

hows the discord goin

[fluid trench]

Probably protesting in the streets over having a loose eyebrow hair or something

Turalyon didn’t need a 5% buff to dumpster the orcs and a planet

[potent pivot]

can if you want to, nbd

[jolly sierra]

i hate ret mains, mainly male human pallies, because they are the stereotype incarnate, flexing shitty xmogs, saying controversial shit or doing the rp walk lol

[fluid trench]

Ret mains act how you’d expect a stereotypical DK to act.

Human male ret mains probably need a computer check

[noble venture]

To be fair, it is a very difficult class that has been weak for the past 54 patches

I say buff ret more

[potent pivot]

we have found the imposter.

[noble venture]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-gandalf-saruman-spin-lord-of-the-rings-gif-22600979

ur Gandalf

[dark moon]

Overdosed on copium

[noble venture]

Idk man, you cant even press sanc inside of stuns

Ret so weak to sub rogue

[spring bough]

ill take 10

[indigo hill]

Worth it.

[median wagon]

Is this a card?

[outer sky]

This game is so bad

[spring bough]

Probably took what 3-4 mil from rapid fire before the 1.0 then a nice 8.64mil black arrow to end it 🪦

[dark moon]

The game is fine. Rogue got nerfed insta. Jeeez

[gusty hedge]

my mm hunter i n full honor gear does more damage than people in full tier this shit is hilarious

[indigo hill]

Can someone here tell why warrios are complaining about their class being bad in arena while tier list shows them as S tier?

[potent pivot]

Ignore tier lists they are nonsensical garbage

[indigo hill]

So war isnt good atm?

[dark moon]

Not that my opinion matters, but it was bit more difficult to get 1.8 and quite unfun with war compared to other specs I played. You just can't connect. I saw some seifcham games before the recent buffs and they looked miserable.

[indigo hill]

The connecting i can imagine can be an issue at times. I see mostly complaints about their defence.

I havent played any war yet this season, focussing on others first but i was just wondering since last season they played really well.

[stoic spruce]

Mine are the only correct lists

Based on objective truth

[spring bough]

Link ur tier list

[stoic spruce]

No

Classified

That's how correct it is

[jaunty mirage]

Just line it

[jolly sierra]

heyo guys

[spring bough]

I hope countless rets have fallen down those stairs

And I hope Friday has a slew of nerfs for them in PvP

[digital forum]

hey guys, is the rotation the same than in PVE ? I'm assa

[dark moon]

Pretty much. Double/triple bleed, if you're playing deathmark send with shiv

[fluid trench]

Imagine maining ret and not hating other rets

[dark moon]

hi guys

[karmic summit]

let me put this down here aswell

[fluid trench]

Here actually censored properly this time so I’m not naming names - this is from the ret discord, idk where to start with how rets toolkit alone could’ve saved them

[sharp sierra]

Ret player learns people have brains above 2100

[indigo hill]

Dev is crazy strong tho. He's not wrong about that.

[fluid trench]

The only place he’s wrong is in blaming every factor but how he plays, I agree dev is strong but cmon my main spec needs a hard nerf because we have so many answers to everything in that lobby

[severe helm]

90% chance this person doesnt have over a 2k achieve in 3s lol

[fluid trench]

Yep

[severe helm]

CALLLLLLED it

[fluid trench]

Listen I might be toxic but I’m tired of people pretending everything but them is to blame and pretending the spec is just bad, I’ll harp on and on about how long I’ve played it and how it’s always been good since seal twisting got binned

Just results in excuses to not improve

[stoic spruce]

They also fall over so it's kinda whatever tbh

[fluid trench]

The real counter to ret is accountability I swear

[severe helm]

I mean ret has def been bad

even since the rework in DF

but like you can look at the data and observe that ret is insanely strong rn

hard to deny that

[stoic spruce]

Imagine having the best toolkit in the game and being bad

Ret is the victim mindset as a spec

[fluid trench]

It’s had weaker phases but I wouldn’t say bad - ret has always at least had an A tier or higher comp

[noble venture]

wtf is solo shuffle MMR

the same MMR in 2v2/3v3 would be impossible for me hahah

[stoic spruce]

Is your pfp a labubu

[noble venture]

omg thats amazing

[fluid trench]

It’s indeed a lafufu

My wife and daughter are collectors

Plus they remind me of where the wild things are so they bring me joy lol

I got one lafufu and I think 40 official ones

[stoic spruce]

That's awesome

I see the connection to WTWTA

[gleaming pawn]

Do we know when the dumpster fire AWC is supposed to be held? Maybe Blizz will actually give meaningful tuning once that shitshow airs

[fluid trench]

First time I saw one that’s where my brain went, childhood lol

[sharp sierra]

i had my first game without a ret yesterday

the entire lobby every round "WE ARE FREE NO PALLY" 😭

[sharp sierra]

agreed, nerf fatebound by an extra 33%, actually just take all cc away

[indigo hill]

Ret has been strong since SL. They spend that expansion 1 shotting. I know cause i tried it. Easiest rating i've ever gotten.

[sharp sierra]

im so tempted to switch my holy pal over..

is it at least fun?

[gleaming sentinel]

Who wants to triple outlaw awc

For the toy

[jolly sierra]

we will see, but we are growing 3 reposts in chat today

[stoic spruce]

They repost it in the dk discord too

[fluid trench]

I repost it everywhere I go

It’s how I say hi

As my brother said, “it costs 400,000 stairs to shut a ret up, for 12 seconds.”

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-tf2memes-tf2heavy-heavy-weapons-guy-meet-the-heavy-gif-24983567

[midnight grove]

why does outlaw want authority of depths over radiant power on weapons?

is the dot that good?

[potent pivot]

tends to just be better for outlaw

good for more ST damage, it's hasted, etc

outlaw is less focused on it's own damage compared to assa/sub

[midnight grove]

yeah i tested both on a dummy and its doing more damage

[potent pivot]

radiant tends to be more aoe/cleave damage

for sub its just nice if it procs during burst

[midnight grove]

i wish cold blood would work with killing spree correctly

sometimes it does not make it all crit

[potent pivot]

you can't CB->KS as fatebound

coin procs consume CB

[midnight grove]

im using trickster

[potent pivot]

then it should work, but idk haven't tested since they made the new KS

[midnight grove]

it sometimes just

does not make it all crit

i think its making the first shot crit then switching off

i dunno

[jolly sierra]

did you posted it in ret thread?

[noble venture]

Just had a shuffle at 2400 MMR, a ret died twice due to not pressing bubble in the first 45s

To be fair, the class is very difficult

He was probably busy thinking about what he wanted to have for dinner

[stoic spruce]

Had a prev evoker die because they didn't pop emerald communion

[noble venture]

Big bruh moment

[stoic spruce]

On opener

[noble venture]

First round?

[tender tartan]

gonna drop this here for no reason whatsoever.

[stoic spruce]

This was in 3s

[noble venture]

That's tough man

Tbh I'm not mad at the ret of course, but it goes to show how inflated they are

[tender tartan]

it denied me from getting my first 6-0

[noble venture]

"It"

Love that

ahahha

[tender tartan]

on my promotion to 2100

had to keep my ego in check ig (I still think im dogshit)

[noble venture]

My hot take is that 1800 players are actually pretty "good"

So anything above that I think you are classed as good also

[tender tartan]

I just bound focus macros

so im finally "decent"

[noble venture]

Nice nice

Whatever works for you is great

I'm so lazy I didn't bother with them, I just use target 1,2,3 then my CC

[fluid trench]

They’ll ban me for speaking the truth

[stoic spruce]

I think depends on the bracket

Personally

[noble venture]

Solo Shuffle maybe not so much

I guess you can lose most rounds and get 1800 with MMR shenanigans

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats why I say that

[noble venture]

But 2v2 and 3v3 you need to learn and improve

[stoic spruce]

Some seasons you can 3-3 your way to 1800

[jolly sierra]

classic

[waxen meteor]

the current 1800 players are like pve players

my alt lobbies at 2.0 -2.1 ish are all noobs

[noble venture]

I think noob is a relative term here though

An 1800 player is leagues ahead of a 0 cr player

When I was trying to get my first 1800 in SL S1, it was not easy

Infact I couldn't do it

[waxen meteor]

A Ret that will try to kill through the healing monk's orb thing on lock for complete period
A WW that sent the fiest of fury, casts it completely agains same lock under bop, then not satisfied with that, immeidately after sent all offensive CD and kept going

I seriously do not know how to play such game

I got one alt stuck on 2.1 just in such games back and forth

[sharp sierra]

[waxen meteor]

They don't react on CDs

[noble venture]

https://tenor.com/view/glue-glue-man-wrestling-jerma-jerma985-gif-25181879

[waxen meteor]

if you play smart, you are splitting dmg.

if you play dumb, your own brain hurt, you start to question if your own IQ is <50

[noble venture]

I'm gonna be honest.. Idk what you're talking about

[waxen meteor]

I mean, if you play smart, like when killing target warlock is under bop, you should swap, right?

[noble venture]

Of course yes

[waxen meteor]

assuming no dispel there

and your teammate does not

[sharp sierra]

i camt break past 1900 on rogue yet it has like 4x the amount of games played compared to everything else i have 2100

[noble venture]

Yes it is difficult in solo shuffle

[noble venture]

Which spec?

Sub and outlaw are rough

[waxen meteor]

so you end up with teammate trying to kill A, I am trying to kill B

which nomrally ends up with nowhere

[tender tartan]

As someone who literally started playing wow last season, and PVE at first as a tank then transitioned to havoc dh to learn basics

[sharp sierra]

i ping like a mfer

wish more did

[sharp sierra]

sin

[tender tartan]

0-1200 cr is like fighting children

[waxen meteor]

I need to learn how to ping

[tender tartan]

we dont know what the fuck we're doing

[noble venture]

I believe in u boss

[waxen meteor]

CR doesn't mean anything

[noble venture]

You got this

[tender tartan]

well

mmr

my b

[sharp sierra]

400 games in!

[tender tartan]

i was in those trenches

[noble venture]

No pressure but feel free to send a vod if you want me to look at it

I play a lot of sin this season

[waxen meteor]

1200 MMR yeah

[tender tartan]

the second I figured out "cc healer = good" i jumped up to 1600 mmr

[waxen meteor]

they know nothing that's common

my point is i started to see 2.0 MMR fighting in no much better

and it just makes you unable to play

[tender tartan]

after that, it was understanding my pve rotation is not the law, I had to learn to commit to smaller "go" windows

[waxen meteor]

cause everyone is playing in such a random way

[tender tartan]

then i was able to hit 1800

[waxen meteor]

you don't know what to expect tbh

[tender tartan]

and there is where the wall begins

wall just being "yeah i need more arena specific knowledge"

[sharp sierra]

my biggest issues is not going for stealth because the pillar is hot lava and i avoid it so when im outside of burst windows im flaying around lmao. Ive worked on my pillar playstyle a bit more and its helped out

wins on sin feel good compared to everything else i play

[noble venture]

Yes I had this issue too. This season I find restealths are too greedy

[tender tartan]

getting 2100 was legit a struggle for me, but I think part of that is playing sin into triple paladin lobbies in shuffle

[waxen meteor]

I feel I am probably not best player in lobby ike 2.6 ish MMR, that's fine, we get defeated, we learn, we grow

[noble venture]

You need to commit vanish and meld

[tender tartan]

not the best time to be learning sin IMO

[sharp sierra]

[stoic spruce]

I'm pushing as undead out of spite

[noble venture]

hahaha fair

[tender tartan]

skill issue at character creation im afraid

[noble venture]

Vanish then

[tender tartan]

[sharp sierra]

next expac i will do NE if they dont remove racials

[noble venture]

I dislike how assa and outlaw are balanced around meld

Night elves are not my fav race

[stoic spruce]

That's not at all the case

[waxen meteor]

learn from me, do two rogues

[noble venture]

It's huge no?

[waxen meteor]

main is undead

alt is NE

[noble venture]

Another subterfuge window is big

I want to play vulpera or some other fluffly race basically

[waxen meteor]

I only do rogue more than 1 though

all other classes only 1

[sharp sierra]

im this way with mage

[stoic spruce]

Yeah bro, another subt window with no opp procs is massive

[tender tartan]

ret nerfs next week right?

[sharp sierra]

and my other 8 classes i play

[waxen meteor]

I will try to push my first other class alt to 2.4 this season

hopefully i can reach it

[sharp sierra]

Alt-A-Holic

[noble venture]

Ok no need for sarcasm

[stoic spruce]

Yes there is. I HATE nelf

[noble venture]

I haven't played outlaw this ssn so I cannot attest to that, but last time I did it was a big ddeal

Yes I hate nelf too

[stoic spruce]

Yeah assa idrk

Tbh

Maybe

But it's super overhyped for outlaw

[noble venture]

Ok maybe that's the case

Idk

But for assa the silence window is important

[stoic spruce]

I imagine that's the case

[noble venture]

Empowered garrote is the butter

[waxen meteor]

The lore last exp, man, I hate how Tyrande speaks

[stoic spruce]

Let's push as undead

[waxen meteor]

Oh actually not DF, the Shadowland

[waxen meteor]

I have done my undead 2.4

[stoic spruce]

Nvm

[waxen meteor]

but it's so lacking

compared to NE

[stoic spruce]

Sub?

[waxen meteor]

Sin

[stoic spruce]

Okay good

[waxen meteor]

Sub you probably don't need NE

[stoic spruce]

I accept it then

God that's so weird