pvp

[sick wasp]

while i que simulator my season on my rogue

[grave basin]

Do not get me started bro

ATLEAST assa is sorta kinda usefull

[sick wasp]

yup

[grave basin]

With funnel damage

[manic steppe]

that is lowkey why i got demotivated to do pve cuz i would spent more time in lfg then doing the keys

[grave basin]

I queued my ww at 698 ilvl and couldn't even get into a +7-9 key for an hour

Meanwhile on my DK it's like insta invite

[sick wasp]

disgusting

metaslaving

[grave basin]

I caught up to my ww that I played for two weeks in a few days on my dk

Just from how fast you get invited

[manic steppe]

is it 2.5k io you get the smoke on shoulders?

[grave basin]

Yes lol

My DK is alrdy 705 in one week

Having grip is also such a game changer I swear

[stoic spruce]

Fotm reroller

Get off my class

[grave basin]

Nope

It's my class now

Bitch

[stoic spruce]

Fuck you

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

Don't grip mage

It's bait

Or hunter

[grave basin]

I meant the archers

[stoic spruce]

Or rogue or dh

[grave basin]

Why

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is fine

Assa too

[grave basin]

W0t

[stoic spruce]

You can grip rogue

[grave basin]

I meant grip in keys

[stoic spruce]

Oh

Okay that you can fotm

Nvm

[grave basin]

You fotm or don't play

There's no option if you're pugging

[stoic spruce]

I don't alt

Either my specs are good or I don't get invites

[grave basin]

Solo shuffle m+ when

Solo queue m+

Tbh I'm pretty sure that solves nothing

[stoic spruce]

Dude

[grave basin]

Tanks won't ever use it

[stoic spruce]

You know what would be funny?

Follower M+

[grave basin]

So delves?

[stoic spruce]

Follower M+ would be sooo much harder than with your average pug run

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

That's so not even in the same stratosphere

[grave basin]

?? Are you end game pillar shaming

[stoic spruce]

Yes

I am a partaker of delves

[grave basin]

My brann would beat your brann

[stoic spruce]

My brann lifts weights

[grave basin]

My brann doesn't aggro pull mobs

Ok I lied

He's a dumbass

[stoic spruce]

Follower M+

It'll be so hard

[grave basin]

At that point just make delve+

Delves are so boring when They nerfed it

Like there's absolutely zero challenge even at t11

[sharp sierra]

dev evoker is....oddly fun

[spring bough]

Follower M+ I’m 3k first week 😂

[stoic spruce]

You'd think that

The followers are worse than your average pug

[grave basin]

There's no demand for that content

Mole people don't want a challenge

[winter basin]

can anyone tell me the addon name which shows the CDs within Gladius? I saw one player and the CDs of the enemy were smoothly attached to each enemy players frame below

where and how do I amend/create it?

[orchid plinth]

You can do it with Omnibar manually, but I think people use SweepyBoop'a PvP Helper?

[pliant lintel]

Ya SweepyBoops

[raven trench]

is sub doing 2pc or 4pc?

also leaning more towards rbg/blitz pvp

if that makes any diff

[echo needle]

how do u even get in to pvp practising on dummies is absolutly useless in a real fight lol

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/wTXMCpWT5w

@stoic spruce people are madge

[stoic spruce]

I skipped straight to outlaw

And I got what I wanted

This is not the case

It's not the target cap but the fact we have no CDs

This post is wild ngl

[grave basin]

I respect the effort

[orchid plinth]

you have adrenaline rush big pop!!!!1

[stoic spruce]

It's something

[orchid plinth]

[stoic spruce]

Yeah the 0.8 gcd during adr is def not a barrier to entry

The 94% uptime is

[grave basin]

They're kinda correlated if you ignore mechanics

But yea it takes 1 session to get used to it

[stoic spruce]

That's not the fault of the 0.8 gcd though

[grave basin]

Not really a big deal

[stoic spruce]

Reddit is a funny place

[grave basin]

In any way you're gonna get replaced by BM hunters in Phys comps

[stoic spruce]

Singling out Realz is kinda fucked tbh

Implying he's the sole reason it's the way it is

[grave basin]

I'm surprised the post is still up

I thought they had a strict no witch-hunt policy

[stoic spruce]

The whysper monkey thing is funny ngl

[languid ravine]

this guy is so dramatic to the point it has to be trolling

[stoic spruce]

I can see a reality where outlaw turns into a CD spec and we keep the 0.8 gcd

Either that or adr uptime is being cut in half

Which is more likely

[languid ravine]

yes please cut ADR in half

then make it an actual damage cooldown

solves many issues

dont need 1000% uptime anymorew

think Sub, theorically you want 1000% uptime too to get more shadow dances but the damage windows are so skewed that long intermissions end up working in your favour despite that because dance has 500 damage amp modifiers to it

Outlaw you cringe if you lose even 5 sec of uptime

[stoic spruce]

At least sub had CDs that aren't on cdr which helps

I bet KS could be that CD for us

[languid ravine]

maybe ghostly if you make it pump

[stoic spruce]

Ghostly can just be a player buff and it be just fine

It's got the old bte problem

Smh

[languid ravine]

this guy complaining that you have to play your spec correctly during the 8 seconds shadow dance

like yeah no shit

[stoic spruce]

You have to play correctly during cooldowns?

This is news to me

Dude

I can't with reddit

Why am I able to read the take of a leveling main

Give his opinion on rogue design

[orchid plinth]

I think this uptime some thing classes have is so poo poo, makes it impossible to balance, no?

[untold remnant]

Is the extra 5% stamina buff noticeable guys?

[stoic spruce]

You get 1-shot regardless

[untold remnant]

Good

[stoic spruce]

Not really, Outlaw just has too many moving parts to balance. Fdk does it fine with new breath

[orchid plinth]

I mean it did get removed from Breath?

[stoic spruce]

No it came back

In the form of extending it with rime procs

And the other proc, the name escapes me atm

For Obliterate

Killing Machine

Rime and Killing Machine procs extend Breath while having Empower Rune Weapon give you both procs.

[winter basin]

ok, however where to set it? 😄 I try to move it to the right but it wont let me

[exotic dove]

So the Diamond ice trap on the rets seems to be a very great plan so far

Looks like its not troll

Hunter is catching up fast to my Rogues mmr

All 3 had a ret the second lobby had 2 rets

20 cr away from duelist too on an alt

[orchid plinth]

You'd have to figure out that yourself I don't use it

[indigo hill]

Dev evoker is flying under the radar. That control and damage is crazy plus their mobility. They never stand still and cast on the move 100% of the time. It's BM for casters.

[dark moon]

we need to make them rets dislike qing

diamond ice trap tech is similar to what we did in df to DHs

[winter basin]

thx im about to do it but I cant fix it tough 😄

[gusty hedge]

im seeing more outlaws each day, while i like seeing more law players, alot of them dont know what they're doing No vanish during adr and no bte during sub windows. I showed a few of them how to do the basics and they act like its rocket science 😭 I dont get it

feels like they neeed new key binds

[gusty hedge]

post removed 😭

[grave basin]

He missed it 😭

[dark moon]

that was a troll post translated to english imho

[languid ravine]

I think it was written unironically

but didnt miss much

Catalyst charge next week right? my memory is bad I forgot if I used all or had one last week xd

[spring bough]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/xizDGFi82C

3s is dead. Long live solo shuffle. Blizz give us our damn glad mounts for SS pls

[sharp sierra]

No we just got one so 2 more weeks

[spring bough]

Spark next week then charge the week after

[dark moon]

i would like if they reduce rounds so healers are available more often and outside of shuffle rather than inside

[exotic dove]

Well GG

To be fair last season I did 100000000000 shuffles and like 15 3s

so I am part of it

looking ot be the same this season too

[waxen meteor]

you can queue with specs that deal with ret well like arcane mage last week

[exotic dove]

I went up 300 rating in shuffle by playing BM and diamond Ice trapping ret pallies on their cds

[waxen meteor]

Well tbh it’s good for the game

The mode that requires appointment, high engagement between different people is out of date

Its fragment time gaming era

People find an hour randomly, just sit and play then leave or do whatever they will do

[waxen meteor]

I might want to try bm or surv too

[exotic dove]

Surv works too it has diamond ice trap

[waxen meteor]

Just geared up SP after finishing Mage climbing

Before the nerf

May go hunter or warrior after SP

Or may go disc who knows

[exotic dove]

I still plan to main my Rogue like always but tbh its really really fun right now to just go into a shuffle knowing you will get a ret and then just putting every single diamond ice trap on him on cd

[waxen meteor]

I am surely keeping rogue as main

[dark moon]

i dreaded sitting in LFG only to get flamed after 1st loss 😄 digusting

[waxen meteor]

Yeah that’s very 1980 game style

And you can’t do anything during LFG application

Can’t queue solo or etc

I feel it’s a super waste of time

You even have real friend or teammates from decades ago

[dark moon]

they should make shuffle 2s or regular 2s soloq and make 3s soloq and it will be actually nice

[exotic dove]

LFG for pvp is a waste of time I only do 2s or 3s if friends are on

[waxen meteor]

Or I really don’t see why playing 3s

[dark moon]

3s is for people with friends but other than that cba

[waxen meteor]

I literally found more good teammates in skirmish

I got a healer teammate I found in skirmish dude 2.6+ in every healer spec

[tight hill]

This is hilarious and I am doing it to all rets from now on

[dark moon]

the best (and my favourite) was to sit in LFG for 2s/3s for 1 hour +, get a returning multi glad player who doesnt do shit, only to lose, get flamed 😄 Wow really needs some MMR in the literal sense of it

[exotic dove]

It is and its even more hilarious if while the ret is sititng in diamond ice you proc fenryr and global someone

[waxen meteor]

That feels absolutely like a waste of life

I did a few times then I never opened LFG

[exotic dove]

Also could you imagine if many Hunters started doing this

[dark moon]

it is, thats why i was happy when soloq was introduced, but was bummed out it was 6 rounds - just wanted solo Q for 3s, no other shenanigans, but in classic blizzard fashion they need to make a twist

[dark moon]

i am considering gearing my BM now, sounds juicy.

[waxen meteor]

I think solo shuffle is probably the primary reason I am still playing lol

I am pretty sure I won’t be playing for LFG for 3s

Or 2s or RBG whatever

[waxen meteor]

Yeah but BM itself is quite boring tbh

[dark moon]

same. wish they do soloq for m+ and i can remove everyone i know in bnet 😄

[waxen meteor]

Especially orc also looks not appealing

[waxen meteor]

Haha tbh 100% agree

I was about to say the same

Pve needs MMR and solo queue

and pve players need to know what it means “lose rating”

[dark moon]

ye, when they initially said they will add shuffle into the game i removed 50 people off my bnet that i had to make appointments to play and it was like being at work

[exotic dove]

I was laughing pretty hard on the insta 300 rating in shuffle in just 3-4 lobbies diamond ice trapping rets. I think its worth and I was pressing jump the entire time too

[waxen meteor]

I have to decide to do Hunter/war or second rogue though

I need my NE rogue up

[waxen meteor]

Entirely

[dark moon]

hunter into war into second rogue last imho

[waxen meteor]

And there are times, some friends are not that good but they wanted to push

Then you stuck in some bad games just to be friend

[dark moon]

thats why you have more than 1 char 😄

[waxen meteor]

but its bnet friend

[dark moon]

my shit alt is for my shit friends, as arrogant as it may sound

[waxen meteor]

My main rogue is undead, I feel I miss a lot everytime playing in arena haha

I normally gear up my Ne fairly early

[dark moon]

there was a time that i would love for some multi glad/r1 player to use me on his shit alt ofc thats called networking and learning the game

but there's shuffle now

so we are gucci in that department

[waxen meteor]

Once I gear up my NE, and finish main at 2.4 in ss, then my main becomes more BG/Blitz, alt rogue is arena rogue

quite sad tbh

[dark moon]

oh yeah then maybe nelf rogue would be the best 😄

[waxen meteor]

Just can’t take alliance as main after 20 years of horde lol

[dark moon]

i keep my undead just so i can level him and play for a bit while leveling, for the sake of old times, its useless in pvp atm

[exotic dove]

I have 4 Rogues I am playing atm with a hunter and an Unholy dk. I have two accounts on my bnet so when qs got long while one is in a shuffle lobby the other toon on the other account is in q

[dark moon]

hats off for the dedication, sir

[waxen meteor]

I need a better laptop now

[exotic dove]

I have two monitors so I didnt have to try and make room for my laptop

[dark moon]

ive always played both, maining horde mostly and keeping ally alts for pvp, but as a true game enjoyer i dont divide into factions. Also im not 15 years old and flame others for playing opposite faction.

[waxen meteor]

In a way I feel certain gaps between games is good

Just not 30 minutes

[dark moon]

And I'm ejoying my rogue being nelf since DF quite a lot

[waxen meteor]

Like 10-15 isn’t bad

[exotic dove]

yeah Im getting 10-15 right now

[waxen meteor]

It’s probably even better than instant queue

[dark moon]

yeah i usually stop playing pvp once queues get more than 15-20 minutes

i just cant take it

and i make an alt

this is usually around 2.2-3k

[exotic dove]

I hadnt needed to put the other account on the other monitor yet

[waxen meteor]

Haha I am not angry about Ally players at all, but I feel more of role playing as a horde

[exotic dove]

Once I start going at it on my Rogue again though it wont be very long at all until I see those familiar long qs

[waxen meteor]

And tbh some of alliance leaders are a bit too fake …

I do read lines in quests…

[dark moon]

im excluding lore and roleplaying atm, just the practicality and better racials

[languid ravine]

hey now dont you dare talk shit about my girl Faerin

she was genetically engineered to please the largest audience humanly possible

[dark moon]

they should either remove racials or make everyone choose each game like it was in those pvp trinkets

the auto trinket

etc

[waxen meteor]

I am not huge fan of lore, but I do read all lines and whatever

[dark moon]

faerlin

KEK to the W

[waxen meteor]

But in a way I sort of wanted to make characters that make sense

[exotic dove]

Im just waiting for Anduins balls to drop tbh

[waxen meteor]

Like I won’t do cow rogue etc

[dark moon]

they are making Trollbane vouch for peace and understanding 😄

[languid ravine]

Faerin Lothars got a little something for everyone

[dark moon]

i mean..his name is Trollbane for a reason 😄

lore is a complete and utter shit mess atm

[languid ravine]

Feminists? check. Vietnam Veterans? check. Catholics? hell yea

oh and shes edgy too

[waxen meteor]

troll bane

[dark moon]

i stopped watching cinematics since DF (and that was my favourite thing in this game)

i couldnt take the power of friendship and all the new dogpoo they infested the game with

[waxen meteor]

Tbh I don’t know who is who in lots of scenarios

[languid ravine]

yea remember when we had good villains and the intro cinematic goes like "10000 years"

[dark moon]

just saw some gifs of faerlin and trollbane's daughter fighting and somehow they managed to make cinematics better 18 years ago

[languid ravine]

now we are just waiting for jaina to teleport in or someshit

[gleaming sentinel]

I WILL NEVER SERVE

-spent the entire expac serving

[dark moon]

and the shaky sword locks fighting and grunting

like i did it in paint

hahahah

[waxen meteor]

Well I think illidan is surely a main character that got people to the game

I remember my first wow engagement was my doomie went on black temple raid and run into illidan first time

And he got all of doomies to watch

[exotic dove]

Hey now I think Xalatoes is a great villian

[waxen meteor]

Then we all joined the game

[languid ravine]

Xalatoes really is the best thing about this "world soul saga" trilogy mess

[dark moon]

teaming with xalathat so she can ditch us in the first 0.3 seconds after we defeat decimal

is something no-one could forsee, KEK

dunno why it was even written

[waxen meteor]

Hahahah

Totally true

[dark moon]

im still stuck on chapter 3 as i got my reshii wraps and called it a wrap, pun intended

[languid ravine]

nobody saw it coming she signed the peace treaty

[dark moon]

but ive heard venarii got some new lore to her

dont know if its good or not

[waxen meteor]

Well we get a zoo quests that takes 46281947282 years to finish this 11.2

[dark moon]

but she didnt address me as maw walker

[waxen meteor]

Probably same person that decided to go with Xal'atath

[dark moon]

and I am disappoint

[orchid plinth]

Its beeautiful

[dark moon]

i lost a lot of stygia in there

[languid ravine]

I think the idea is that xalatath has been whispering in everyones ear but they just kinda forgot to put that part into the game for current patch

you only see it in mythic+ dungeons

[dark moon]

i dont know, but past lore was better, especially the whispers from that box back in legion

or bfa

the toy, cant remember the name

it had mistery, it was cool

foot fetish dominatrix lady is not fun and dull 😄

AND we fell into her trap oh my, oh my

[waxen meteor]

Legion quest is good

[dark moon]

yeah but she was better when there was mistery tied to her

now shes just a regular villan that tricked us

anyway 😄

yall guys know if holy priest is playable in shuffle? need to get the elite set as its dooooooope

[wanton breach]

very playable i'd say, 1800 should be easy if you can stand doing that much shuffling

[lean prawn]

it's so fun SS, it's only sad the time queque

[dark moon]

hopefully it doesnt take that long as a dps i do it in about 10 shuffs give or take

[wanton breach]

shuffles as healers are so rng

are your dps gonna press their defensives at all?

a lot of the time it doesn't feel like a healer diff in shuffle but RNG which dps fucks up on which team

[dark moon]

sounds cancer-y but we shall see

need to level first

[wanton breach]

also healer wise priest elite transmog is weaker than most of the other sets

monk and priest are imo the weakest

[dark moon]

i cannot disagree more. Only priest set is good imho. Monk is meh, shaman is meh, paladin and druid are.... X

and by good i mean shoulders are unique and could be used on my female night elf at some point in a slut mog or something

druid one looks like the temu version of tauren heritage and is just a big question mark

[wanton breach]

that's why I like it I guess

[dark moon]

im taking the lack of effort on the firm's side disturbing thats why i dont

but hey, we are all here to enjoy different things in our favourite game, amrite?

[spring bough]

Same here. I think I’ve done 3k rounds of shuffle every season since DF season 1

😭

Who tf do we need to pay to get these damn glad mounts for solo shuffle

[dark kernel]

Last season was my first season cracking 1000 rounds played, and that's more than I played in all DF combined

[spring bough]

Took me the first two seasons of DF to hit and maintain elite. Was such a struggle at times with outlaw lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah my first solo duelist was DF season 3

[gleaming sentinel]

they drop a glad mount more and more people are just going to play the best shuffle specs

[dark kernel]

Still shooting for outlaw elite this season and I really want a 3s team

Tired of sitting in queue

[spring bough]

I’m back to playing outlaw. Lost a ton of lobbys yesterday cause of teammates dying and not having the burst. But fk it. Gonna go for elite with it lol

[dark kernel]

I had an outlaw lobby that started out 3-0 and I won 2 lobbies with a fury and I was ecstatic.

Only to go 3-3 and the fury pressed W strong

Just somehow lost as outlaw/destro to fury/dev and the flip

[grave basin]

did 3k rounds as sv hunter in DF s1

and only stopped during the retpocalypse

[grave basin]

im getting to this point as well

after two whole ass expansions it gets old aye

especially if youre a dad gamer and have limited play time

[dark kernel]

Yeah my entire day is maybe 2 hours of free time and that's stretching it. On Friday I can eek out a little more but I'm usually tired.

But that's like my total free time 2 shuffles is an hour of that, and that's the max I can usually commit.

[languid ravine]

-Look for crafting order in trade chat
-4 instant whispers and one guy that is very slow
-pick the slow guy who isnt a bot
-hes afk or a bot

[spring bough]

They always afk man it’s like wtf. Or I get “sorry just entered a key will do after”……

[languid ravine]

maybe he just very busy hes back now

[gleaming sentinel]

#revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades

[spring bough]

U got some bribe money for blizz

[potent pivot]

everyone just has an addon that auto replies

[spring bough]

I always pick the ones without the auto reply

[potent pivot]

why lol

[languid ravine]

because of anti-robot paranoia those things want to turn us all into paperclips

[spring bough]

I like the genuine whispers and not the same auto bot bs lol

There’s a couple crafters like stormerr I avoid like the plague

Bros always like “5k tip MINIMUM” yeah okay buddy. Ima go tip 750gold to some other dude and have it done in half the time

[potent pivot]

idk i've never had issues with the guys that have the addon

if they're afk i just go with a diff person

never had anyone tell me a tip price

legit everyone i've ever talked to told me to tip whatever i felt like tipping

[dim oriole]

I reply manually to every one to do my part

[dark moon]

I whisper them "hi, can craft that for you" or "did you find a recrafter/crafter" accompanied by "send it over, w/e fee" and most tip a couple of thousand. Couple of weeks ago a guy gave me 30k just cause i was using my mettle or whatever its called and he couldn't be arsed to buy mats

For a 720 dagger that was. Cool guy

[languid ravine]

my blacksmith guy who I sent the order to

apparently you can hold work orders hostage for some time

[potent pivot]

you can cancel your order

[dark moon]

Yeah, after you accept its 30 minutes i think, not sure

[languid ravine]

its been two hours soon xd

[potent pivot]

i've been able to cancel almost immediately pretty sure

on the work order NPC's menu

[dark moon]

Oh lawd

[potent pivot]

just go to where you can see the order pending

and cancel it lol

[languid ravine]

you think I would call the inability to cancel the work order "holding it hostage" if I didnt know that I can cancel work orders?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[languid ravine]

it wont let me cancel since the crafter has accepted the work order

[dark moon]

He might ass well event crafted it, but forgot to click compete, which is disgusting

Ive done it couple of times for my own characters resulting in me relogging to complete order

[potent pivot]

strange, never heard of that happening

[river pollen]

Just to confirm the sockets on our crafted item are getting deleted after upgrading to new season gear right?

[potent pivot]

ye

[dark moon]

Happened on whaaz' stream first season of tww and it was so funny

[river pollen]

Ty

[spring bough]

I’d cry 😂

[gusty hedge]

[tight hill]

even whaazz on ret

[acoustic junco]

Whaaz plays everything.

[gleaming sentinel]

#revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades #revertrestlessblades

[jade hollow]

what pieces should i go for for outlaw 4set?

[potent pivot]

all except gloves iirc

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Gimme another hat 😂

[spring bough]

Can u spam this on blizz forums everyday. All day. 24/7

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-weird-gif-22413363

[spring bough]

Blizz gonna hit you with “silenced for spam”

[noble venture]

In the assa disc mirror match, what are the preferred pvp talents? I'm at 2100 in 2v2 and I keep getting my butt kicked by some pretty good rogues

I usually go bomb, disarm, hemotoxin..

I really want feint also, so I'm considering dropping bomb

[river pollen]

what are the best 4 pieces for sub? head, chest, legs and hand?

[potent pivot]

mhm

[gusty hedge]

head ,Chest,shoulders, Gloves, even tho pants have some vers, thats alot of mastery, but doesnt really matter in the end because its minimal. Prefer better legs with vers over mastery

[tender tartan]

gamers, how hard was i trolling myself by not binding poisoned knife

[noble venture]

I think it's quite nice

Sometimes you want to apply the snare at a range

I also use it to build combo points when I'm kiting or etc

[severe helm]

Same

Based

[tender tartan]

I play by gamestate without a kill target in mind and get this dm

like lmfao, use your eyes

bro is low hit him

i just killed the holy pally the round before because he overextended, idk what you want from me

[harsh kiln]

sub rocking 2set or 4set for pvp?

[potent pivot]

4 set is good

[harsh kiln]

alright. just wanted to check if it's a complete "shoot myself in the foot" scenario if i go for it or not

[dark kernel]

It's good good for Trickster sub and pretty decent for DS

[harsh kiln]

any changes in rotation?

[dark kernel]

No real changes, but you can kind of track when you're going to get a coup de gras proc so you can make sure and line up your other stuff

I wouldn't put too much effort into it though

And for DS no changes

[pliant lintel]

you strike evis now with 4 set

sub

[outer sky]

I'm really likin this no deathmark build

the extra 20% crit every vanish or restealth seems way more impactful

[spring bough]

outlaw lives. just 1 round

[potent pivot]

bro there's no shot

what type of fucking dystopian ass shit are we doing

[spring bough]

did they buff outlaw? overall on left last round on right

back to the sleight + loaded dice with KIR and each of the 6 rounds i KIR'd 5+ buffs within 30 seconds of the round start

[outer sky]

idk i like it. Deathmark is such a shit CD. I've legit had full bleeds with deathmark up and it didnt even eat through a warlocks dark pact. And thats when it doesnt get insta cleansed

master assassin just feels way better

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

damn trickz dont knock it till u try it lol

[potent pivot]

?????

[spring bough]

the no death mark build lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah let’s just try not running our 2min CD at all

I’ve heard a lot of troll stuff over the years here

[spring bough]

idk nothin bout sin but it sounds like pallys and shields negate a lot of the dmg from it

[potent pivot]

But this one takes the cake

[potent pivot]

Ye a lot of the time it just gets countered and it doesn’t do a crazy amount of damage, but it also feeds into a lot of shit

Not running it at all is just terrible

[jolly sierra]

at this step i think trickz would consider retirement lol

[pliant lintel]

ya no deathmark build is sick!

it's called Subtlety

[spring bough]

yeah KIR with sleight and loaded dice... why did i swap off this after week 2 of the season lol

[pliant lintel]

Did the pala afk 30 seconds at start?

[alpine tinsel]

Assa running 2 or 4? I'm running deathmark build fwiw

And beacause my brain has wrinkles, I don't use it directly into dark pact 😄

but not ENOUGH wrinkles to know if we're doing 2 or 4 set this szn

[alpine tinsel]

God i miss vendetta

Deathmark doesnt feel so bad now that we're on the Shiv + CB + KB train every 1 minute too though

[jolly sierra]

bring vendetta back

[alpine tinsel]

When we are simply pure bleeds it makes me sad

[jolly sierra]

i fucking hate DM

[outer sky]

i havent met a rogue yet that didnt prefer vendetta so I'm not sure why they decided to change it or why they wont bring it back

[alpine tinsel]

"class fantasy"

[outer sky]

I wasnt playing WoW when they swapped Vendetta for DM. Does anyone remember their reasoning?

[alpine tinsel]

God remember in SL when we had the ring that gave Vendetta the reduced CD?

[jolly sierra]

i recall in early DF

[outer sky]

and it was off GCD too

[jolly sierra]

pve players

[spring bough]

getting 2.1mil BTE crits out here tonight.... outlaw feeling GOOD

[jolly sierra]

really loves DM

xd

[alpine tinsel]

so fun. and ranged bonespike

[outer sky]

oh yeah that was huge

[sharp sierra]

so uh swapping back n forth on outlaw/sin kinda screwed me this week. I have 3 set with one charge left but murlok is saying pants are next but im 50 off at cap already lol. Should i just fill for crafted gear or is 4 set not a huge deal

[alpine tinsel]

that was the most balanced fun for assa I think. Rest was cheesy MA stuff

lol remember the Sepsis MA one shots

[sharp sierra]

legs/boots/belt are haste the problem stuff

[jolly sierra]

vendetta was a very fair burst spell

DM is very hard to balance

[alpine tinsel]

100%

[jolly sierra]

also is flawed af

with being removed so fast

[alpine tinsel]

Prez and Hpal make me so sad to play against

except again now that we have some burst its better

not such a hard counter

[outer sky]

I think that too many things in this game cleanse bleeds. Obviously I'm biased. But I dont think any other class has to deal with this shit. I guess feral but to a much lesser extent

[steep loom]

so is there a limit of vers as outlaw that we can start to say okay thats enough, lemme start focusing another stat in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

ye feral

but is very annoying

cuz DM

can be removed af by survs

with a 25s cd spell

that is pointless af

[outer sky]

yeah they need to change that so the channel has to fully finish to remove things

or make it a longer CD

but i think assa is the only spec in the entire game where you press you 2m CD then they use a defensive and you can't swap

like you have to commit your entire 2m CD to a target with a defensive

[jolly sierra]

what bout fury warr?

[outer sky]

if they even have to use one

[outer sky]

recklessness?

Just swap

tab

[jolly sierra]

they doesnt get penalty by failing hyperfocus?

[outer sky]

idk I havent played fury since BFA but I dont think theyre stuck tunnelling a target with iron bark if they dont want to

[jolly sierra]

well, even after 2 years

i think DM is awful af

[daring plover]

Does anyone know if the Reshi Wraps boots are good in PVP or is it bait

[jolly sierra]

no way it could be an improved thing

[outer sky]

havent seen anyone playing them

[daring plover]

i lose like 200 vers but get 40% more cape procs

surely tahts good

[pliant lintel]

Fury has to stack MS effect so if it has to swap it feels bad but not as bad as sin death mark

[halcyon timber]

Isn’t it reduced by half? Pve item effects are reduced by 50% or more in pvp usually

[potent pivot]

deathstalker you mean? 4set

[potent pivot]

the reasoning was to give assa's big CD a better identity

like a much cooler design than just 'you do 20% more damage for X seconds'

[halcyon timber]

Dm benefits from lethal dose + venomous wounds as well no?

[potent pivot]

ye

[alpine tinsel]

no i was just being an ass to the guy saying he was running the no deathmark build lol

all power to him though

[outer sky]

no it doesnt. that only works on bleeds that dont get cleansed

[potent pivot]

...........

[keen canopy]

what happened last round for that assassination to do
that

[spring bough]

CC'd to the point he couldnt do anything lol

and he stood in cleave lmao

love me a good 0-6 ret

0 bubbles

[outer sky]

I dont even understand how thats possible

[spring bough]

bro was on my team round 1 with a holy pally too

so he had 4 bubbles and 2 100% heals at his disposal and he still died

[spring bough]

i see 1 divine shield 0 BOPs

absolute CINEMA

[outer sky]

Bro Hellen Keller could probably play ret to gladiator right now

[spring bough]

yeah with bubbles

[outer sky]

and that's including the fact that she's dead. not just deaf and blind

[spring bough]

all he had to do was press ONE in each of the first two rounds and we woulda won the first 2 rounds

he didnt divine shield till round 5 and still got smoked

brb rerolling ret and pressing BOPs and divine shield 3k solo shuffle rating INC

[spring bough]

165mil ST in a caster lobby against a boomy and the 2nd overall was 119mil ST from the boomy lolol. we back to 2.1k and rocking with KIR

[alpine tinsel]

what fr though is fatebound assa doing 2 or 4 set? Murlok seems to be saying 2?

[potent pivot]

won't make a difference either way really

i run 4 because its quite good for deathstalker

[alpine tinsel]

got it, I'll probably just stay 2

[spring bough]

lucky coin up 72% over 6 rounds pretty baller. thats without the cancel aura macro too

[fossil sierra]

is binding badge to kingsbane bad?

[alpine tinsel]

good players will say yes, I say go for it. one less keybind tbh

theyre both 1 min CD and I'm probably not using badge without bursting

[tender tartan]

sin gamers, thoughts on these high ranked sins not playing ind carnage?

in ss

[potent pivot]

most people still play it

[outer sky]

no

its safe to bind badge, tea, and cold blood to it

[fathom crag]

you can remove it in casters lobby on a big map if you think they won’t stack or w/e but i play it every game anyway

[fathom crag]

yes you should macro badge with kingsbane, just make sure to shiv + tea + badge before kingsbane

[dark kernel]

Testing Trickster Outlaw a little

its burst is definitely lower than Fatebound, consistent DPS is a smidge higher

[tender tartan]

am i crazy for wanting to keep this on just for the zoom zoom

[dark kernel]

yeah because tertiary stats disabled in ranked pvp

except from enchants/gems

[tender tartan]

oh

well

shit

i didnt know big ty

[dark kernel]

sorry amigo

[tender tartan]

i thought i cooked but i was burnt

[spring bough]

yeah im over playin with trick. everytime i fatebound KIR with sleight and loaded dice im ripping so hard lol

[dark kernel]

what are you dropping for loaded dice

heavy hitter or triple threat?

or even versa

[spring bough]

heavy hitter and blinding into stam and loaded dice

trust me itll feel a lot better and youl hit KIR a ton

[dark kernel]

only a teeny bit concerned at blind

30 seconds off blind is....massive

[spring bough]

dont even notice it tbh... youll notice the more KIRs you hit tho and how much better itll feel

[dark kernel]

had a good shuffle, stole a win for the 0-6 priest, and then against same priest maddd unlucky

DH/Monk perfect random immunes on my stuns into madd damage on destro gg

[sullen marsh]

what conquest gear i should get first ?

[tender tartan]

new peak

IM HAVING FAITH

[final kite]

playing kir in pvp sounds wild lol

I've just been using ho for BGs

[stoic spruce]

Yeah HO is just smoother

I do more dmg as kir but god

It's so ass to play in pvp

[potent pivot]

Check the gear thread

It lists off the first couple important things

[stoic spruce]

Even with the amount of uses I get

[tender tartan]

is it just me or does sin tie more in ss than other specs?

i keep getting these rounds where I'll execute someone and a team-mate or myself will BARELY die after and invalidate the round

[waxen meteor]

when you tie in most of your lobbies, it means you reach a proper MMR... for yourself

run into venruki

[tender tartan]

I moreso mean a kill trade

both sides kill same time

or just after one another

[potent pivot]

Can also just mean one healer was much better than the other @tender tartan

[tender tartan]

aye

this one def felt like a healer gap, which is what it is

[tender tartan]

just confused by how often i've seen this since swapping to rogue is all

[potent pivot]

Can def 6-0 lobbies as rogue, just gotta do the whole gittin gud thing as they say

[tender tartan]

aye

the more i play the more i see the power

and realize some things are just a skillgap

other times i dont think my ret bound any defensives

[potent pivot]

It can be a tough class to learn to play really well

[tender tartan]

and is spamming sit

[potent pivot]

[tender tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[final kite]

it just sounds like so much ramp

vs instant go from sub

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's a lot

[final kite]

this is what trying to get into keys does to a man

[grave basin]

Lost at character select

Shoulda rolled light blue class

[waxen meteor]

1500:1498 blitz game lol

Some sweat there

[stoic spruce]

theres a retpocalypse going on and you want to play mage?

[tender tartan]

IM GOING TO FUCKING MAKE IT LADS AND LADIES

I'm actually starting to have faith and feel confident in myself instead of just feeling like this shit is cope

[sharp sierra]

Ws

[orchid plinth]

you got dis!

[sick wasp]

keep it up fam,dont stop

[dark moon]

congrats, lets go!

[spring bough]

Nah KIR is get gud

[spring bough]

How you liking loaded dice with sleight

[stoic spruce]

HO is smoother

This isn't an opinion

It's mathematically sound

[dark kernel]

It worked pretty well, but my question..you're using the 2 dice guaranteed roll on your second after opener right

I assumed as much because trying to open with AR/GS into roll and stun would be kinda troll lmao

Was good though

I'm still really preferring fatebound but testing Trickster it feels good and promising...just slower

[gleaming sentinel]

Super charger still good, it’s nice rolling often

As Ho

[pliant lintel]

HO is bis

[spring bough]

I reroll till I get 3 good ones or two good with a good cto and usually KIR that then reroll

[dark kernel]

Ahh

I'm only sitting below 2k rn anyway so I haven't gotten to my bracket quite yet

Games at least Can feel good and that's the best thing.

I am sometimes lowest on damage, sometimes I am the highest, but often in the middle

Which I better than always the lowest except rarely

[wet crown]

Hell yeah

[languid ravine]

We should rename this channel to "Outlaw Anonymous Selfhelp" so people dont think this is about pvp

[dark moon]

what are the odds of this happening while crate farming. Dismounted a guy, who gave me a honorable kill and got the bloodthirsty title

[languid ravine]

100%

[languid ravine]

lol I do one Shuffle after ages and I see an Outlaw Rogue playing with 500% more APM and Brainpower than every going 2-4. classic

[pliant lintel]

Outlaw damage is low but it is actually really good, people just don't understand how to play it

[dark kernel]

Yeah that's me.

[spring bough]

That’s sick hope u recorded that lol

[spring bough]

Bro my buffs active always 1000x the next guy and APMs too and still losing 😭

[dark moon]

Nah, my pc is shit. Only have this screenshot

[spring bough]

Yeah when crack shots BTE crits 2mil and dispatch crits 2mil with it and you rip a nice 7-9 crack shots. That all adds up nicely

Then throw a KS at the end for another 10mil dmg

Oh and then all the passive coins flying from finishers during that doing 600k thru 1.5mil depending on stacks

[pliant lintel]

yea sometimes you just get insane rng and you will randomly kill something haha

[dark kernel]

It's either ass rng or good RNG.

[pliant lintel]

yea but your ability to control the game and setting up your partner doesn't change

[spring bough]

It’s honestly so nice when you have a ghostly lined up with adrenaline and vanish. Immediately pop vanish into adrenaline macro into cracks and the enemy health is an instant 20-30% drop

Just time a nice CC and a bomb and someone’s dying

[dark kernel]

I was happy that I got a smoke bomb crack window yesterday that was actually lethal

[harsh kiln]

doesn't shuriken storm work in pvp? seem to do 0 damage with it and not gaining any cps

[pliant lintel]

ya it works just doesn't do any damage

you only want combo point generation from it anyway

[noble venture]

Does anyone know how much we can expect inflation to go up by the end of the season?

[harsh kiln]

doesn't work for me

[languid ravine]

expecting a long season 400 at least maybe more

[noble venture]

Thanks

[languid ravine]

but this is pure feelcraft, 0 science and anecdotal only

therefore true

[noble venture]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-gandalf-saruman-spin-lord-of-the-rings-gif-22600979

ur gandalf here

[harsh kiln]

someone help me out, sub rogue. opener. assume i'm using Shadowblades, on use trinket and 4set. do i open Cheap>dance>evi>SS>symbols>evi>cheap>ST>cheap>evi.. or do i send symbols b4 the first eviscerate? or is my rotation completely wrong?

[pliant lintel]

strike > evis > swifty with symbols > cheap > tech > strike > Evis > cheap > evis > cheap > evis then maintenace apply ruptures

with 4 set

[languid ravine]

strike > evis > swifty with symbols > this is where you get disarmed/blinded/stormbolted and lose the game

[pliant lintel]

ye but then you already forced trinket so you win next go if it's clean

or tell your partner to wake up and cross

[harsh kiln]

there's no way i'm gonna open with strike

that's like shooting myself xD

[pliant lintel]

if then stun/peel you after you strike evis and you havent popped anything you win

[harsh kiln]

but symbols after i'v eapplied deathmark?

and not b4

[pliant lintel]

yes

[harsh kiln]

gothca

thanks

[pliant lintel]

you are aiming to proc finality deeper daggers and darkest night on 2nd evis

so when tech lands with evis it's big dam

if you are 2set you apply rupture at start

[severe helm]

I think thats kinda cope

outlaw is not an aug

they do like beyond shit amounts of damage while really not providing enough to compensate

might as well put it in the queue as a tank at that point

would be more fair

I still wish they would just nerf cheap shot so rogue can be a real class

[molten hedge]

[pliant lintel]

if they nerf cheap shot outlaw will be dead

[severe helm]

well it would let them make rogue a real class again

were in the place were in because they DIDNT nerf cheap shot

they keep dancing around the issue

nerf blades for sub again

nerf burst for assa

nerf outlaw cdr

theyre fucking lost in the suace

make cheap shot only apply to one target at once and give it a 6s CD

guess you dont even need it to apply to only one target if it has a cd

[sharp sierra]

Youre playing sin rogue and the enemy shuffle grants them ret/dh

who do you want to focus more often?

i went 4-2 in that one but that match up felt like i was applying water instead of bleeds

[pliant lintel]

pray to the gods one of them DC's

what was the healer?

[spring bough]

ret got feared at 5% and smoked lol

told this holy pally to cast a BOP on the lock and bro whispered me "go to ace hardware buy a rope and use it".....

[pliant lintel]

lmfao

[spring bough]

now hes throwing every round lmao

[sharp sierra]

was pally for me and disc for them

i got super lucky with the pally following up every cc of mine the healer didnt even get to press anything for the first 30 sec lmao

otherwise that comp rolls me

should i just save kidney for dh eye beam?

[pliant lintel]

mmm bad match up tbh you're kind of forced to go ret, unless you can cover ret + priest every go and kill DH in a stun which is unlikely in a shuffle, otherwise you got to go through blurr dark bop sanc lay ps x2 swap etc

[idle sundial]

does anyone know how to disable these arena frames?

[odd wasp]

can someone link me a vid or soemthing to the proper opener for sub in pvp ?

[wet crown]

Probably dh

Ret has too many ways to reset, dh can be caught with its pants down

[orchid plinth]

BattlegroundEnemies?

[spring bough]

honestly as rogue i train rets 24/7 when i see them

but thats on outlaw lol

[pliant lintel]

it's the only way

[severe helm]

Yeah I train ret on outlaw cuz if you dont then the ret can just destroy every one of your setups

cuz they have too many saves for their teammate

between sanc and sac and bop and loh etc etc

[spring bough]

It’s the best when u get a ret that doesn’t bubble or sanc or sac 😂

[idle sundial]

yo TY it was either BGE or Diminish, appreciate it

[dark moon]

hahaha he sounds so mad. I like feeding on those salty tears

[languid ravine]

-enter delve
-tank brann
-he dies after 1 second

holy fuck tank brann is unbelievably shit ungodly this is beyond

I have no words

[gleaming pawn]

They nerfed tank brann into the ground, you gotta just use healer brann instead

[languid ravine]

imagine the meeting where the guy goes "yeeeah delves arent shit enough yet lets fuck over brann the only thing thats still functional"

[sharp sierra]

first game today to not include a ret

[tender tartan]

cloak a phoenix meteor, still die

😔

[grave basin]

Delves are really only good for runed crest farm atm

If you're going for gear just do t8s

[hybrid palm]

Won't it affect sub rogue lock down for dance

[severe helm]

Exactly

That's the point haha

Then sub can play more the one or two comps

Also remove the 3rd Dr

It shouldn't exist and only makes the game worse cuz it allows your teammate to int you by resetting Drs and it also allows for bullshit micro cc to kill you while you can't even trinket reliably

Obv they'd need to balance rogue in response to changing this but I think it would be long term way better for the class and the game

[unique garnet]

i had a spriest get mad at me cause i wasn't "faking my go"

im like how..... im outlaw

[severe helm]

That's dumb as fuck lol

[unique garnet]

let me fake going into stealth against a dh and hunter

[spring bough]

Gotta do healer brann and hit him with tricks

[outer sky]

i'm really tired of the ret just going 6-0 EVERY lobby I have with one

its boring

of the last 10 lobbies ive done, 7 have had a ret in them and of those 7, 5 of them the ret went 6-0 and 1 the ret went 5-1

and the last one the ret went 3-3 because a healer went 6-0

[unique garnet]

im tired of dh/ret or dh/hunter lobbies

[outer sky]

At least DH and hunters can die

[spring bough]

DH is fun as fk to play in solo

But when that blinks on CD I clench

[unique garnet]

i guess im used to righting low rank rets on my rogue of

Im cc'd i must bubble

[sharp sierra]

Dude I wish the elite mog could go on rogue it would fit so nice

But I do like the brown rogue one ngl

[grave basin]

i havent even queued at all this week

lost all motivation when i saw zero ret nerfs

[sharp sierra]

Honestly they aren’t that bad rn

Or at least too many new people on it

[unique garnet]

Bliz fears the deletion of the ret discord

[sharp sierra]

And I’m low so

[grave basin]

theyre just as badas they were last week

[sharp sierra]

I’m lowkey struggling into wars more

[grave basin]

except now they all have 4 pc

so they're even worse

[spring bough]

Elite set is 🔥

[sharp sierra]

The red glaives are ugly as hell. Half the weapons are but the one handed sword…..I WANT I WANT

[outer sky]

if youre low then youre fighting rets that arent using their toolkit properly

it feels so pointless

"okay I could step kidney the healer but the ret will just sanc it so I have to gouge the ret, step kidney the healer, and step back so when the gouge fades and he sancs I have a global to actually do something if I'm lucky"

"got healer CC somehow ok time for the go oh wait the ret sac'd"

[unique garnet]

Na you should of, saved vanish, so you could cc all 3 meanwhile doing doing, meanwhile also ensuring the healer gets kicked meanwhile LOS'ing the ranged

[outer sky]

its just

you cant make any plays

if the ret is playing correctly

they have a button for everything

[unique garnet]

I love outlaw...... but i feel like i have to rely on my teamates so much with damage while i can cc

[sharp sierra]

ive been learning more RMP but with RMD and been working on baiting their util out with deathmark then holding KB for bubble works every now and then but yeah its 500 steps just for this them to press 1 button at any moment no matter how late and deny an entire set up

the higher im climbing the more i fear these ele shamans tho, One second looking away and 40 meatballs wipe me off the planet

[outer sky]

good players also wont get "baited" like that

[sharp sierra]

yeah the mage i was playing with was saying dont expect it to work

[outer sky]

pretty much the only time ret loses is when they make a huge mistake like overlapping big CDs

[sharp sierra]

it kinda seems like every lobby is just pain for rogue

more often than not i have better luck deleting healer

[outer sky]

it is. It's gotten so bad, esp for assa rogue, that the "preferred" build is a cheesy 1 global 1 shot hail mary that dicks your spread pressure. Just because hey at least you can kill something sometimes maybe

[spring bough]

just got in a lobby.... 3 paladins... atleast only 1 ret

and a UDK too lmao

[outer sky]

Another one

This game is so fun

Just spamming 2-4 lobbies

because one spec 6-0s every single time

i may actually unsub

this is really fucking aids

i tanked from 2571 to 2366

because spam ret lobbies

[grave basin]

if there's no tuning notes tonight it's over

[outer sky]

yeah I'll probably unsub

[grave basin]

i alrdy got the cosmetics i want

[outer sky]

not even kidding

[grave basin]

zero point queueing rn if you arent boomy/ret/some flavour of mage

or bm hunter apparantly

[sharp sierra]

If glacial is back back….

Ah actually gear would fuck me

Too much haste

That’s probably why I’m not seeing it often

[outer sky]

well my rant isnt complete yet. I still need Ivan to show up and tell me I'm wrong and that its just a coincidence that myself and every other dps in every lobby i'm in loses every game to the same spec and in fact the game is perfectly fine

[grave basin]

it's not just you bro

[spring bough]

2339 or something on the rogue week 1 to like 2100 RIP

3-3 im happy lmaoooo

[grave basin]

just boycott shuffle so you can face ret/bm every game in 3s instead

or dh/boomy

[outer sky]

DH boomie is fine I farm that

BM hunter is fine I farm that

ret makes everything aids

[outer sky]

another 2-4

ret lobby

lol

[grave basin]

top 40 outlaw starts below 2k rating

kekw

[sharp sierra]

[severe helm]

Where's this visualization from it's very cool

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1nekm60/top_40_solo_shuffle_ratings_per_spec_visualized/

[grave basin]

the highest outlaw is still below rank 40 ret which is the funniest thing

[sharp sierra]

luck and rating is on my side rn

[outer sky]

another 2-4

literally my last 8 lobbies

all with rets

when will we see if there's changes

?

[sharp sierra]

you can imagine how this shuffle went

[outer sky]

6-0 for the ret/

?

These are my recent shuffles

I managed one 4-2 in a ret lobby

then a 3-3 in a non ret lobby

which was the only non ret lobby

then all the others were 2-4s

this spec is disgusting

so those are 9 lobbies

8 of them had a ret

7 of those 8 i go 2-4

like just nerf this shit

[tight hill]

can't let them play (sorry warr)

[grave basin]

justice for blinding off our bleeds in earlier seasons

[exotic dove]

I love to see it 😄

[tight hill]

sub rogue feels two expansions behind

[outer sky]

well its the 2nd part of what it does that's most impactful. It speeds up the rotation a ton

[grave basin]

yea i know

it's just funny to see a dam amp get so gutted from it's pve version

[untold remnant]

It's nerfs AND bugs that make rogue feel less strong than other specs. Even in raids, when I do my weekly droptimizer sim for the raid, both assa and sub on 712 ilvl sim about 500k less that most other specs! 😄 We need PvE buffs (that carry over into PvP) 🙂

[dark moon]

I actually thought of playing sub, but now that I think about it, I'll try it midnight 😄

[grave basin]

Assa's bug list is astounding

You'd think a bug that's costing more than 10% m+ DPS would be top priority to fix

[outer sky]

Ive lost a staggering amount of games to stealth bugs

[grave basin]

If nothing is posted this week

Or if Ret doesn't get nerfed I'm just gonna crate farm till .07 and collect my free 2.4 with enough inflation

And do keys

[outer sky]

theres 3 bugs I cant fucking stand.

1. Singular Focus combat bug
2. Meld not letting you re off of it
3. Evoker fire breath combat bug

like

those 3 things

tilt me so hard

[dark moon]

Ret ain't getting nerfed for sure. They got nerfed last week 😄

[grave basin]

Herald should get nerfed, spell bop is hpal exclusive, repentance has a 30 second cd,

Searing glare shared DR with disorients

[exotic dove]

If Ret doesnt get nerfed im perfectly fine with diamond ice trapping them all season. I will gladly do that for everyone that isnt a ret

[exotic dove]

This would be nice

as well as what you said above

[grave basin]

The amount of training wheels Ret has is truly something

Also nerf their range by 5 yards

[exotic dove]

Got my elite set on my DK today since I didnt play him last season he started at like 1700 mmr the game I got my elite set where I went 4-2 the ret tunneled me and we played horsie around a pillar while my partner killed his dps partner

The ret also went 4-2 cause the war went 0-6 but the ret didnt sanc bop or freedom anyone

I just think its not right that a ret can climb without using its utility

at all

[outer sky]

another 2-4 ret lobby

im literally down over 300 points

over this

2-4 ret lobby spam

im so sick of it

[dark moon]

Enh ret is hard for assa

[outer sky]

theyre trash though

[dark moon]

I got 1 shot from ascendance yesterday

[outer sky]

these people are at 2300mmr at their peak

its just the ret pally

[dark moon]

Is that an addon or a website where you track matches?

[outer sky]

its an addon

these are my lobbies

[dark moon]

Can you share the name? I want to start tracking my arenas

[outer sky]

so thats 9 lobbies

8 of them have ret

7 of those 8 i 2-4

and thats before this recent one

im spinning my wheels here

its so annoying

i got one 4-2 on the ret lobby

[dark moon]

Who do they kill? Is it you or its random

[outer sky]

random

i'm 2264 but my best rating was 2571 lol

[dark moon]

Goddamn

[outer sky]

just one day I started spam queueing into these rets

thankfully my main is still 2600

but still

this shit needs a nerf

[dark moon]

Are you playing ds or fb btw?

[outer sky]

ive tried both but I have better luck with DS

much better luck

[dark moon]

Cause i tried playing fb, but went back ds as simply more sustained dmg feels better and more meaningful

[outer sky]

In this recent lobby I did 1.4 Billion damage and thats all to the players not to pets

with DS

but I still go 2-4

cuz ret

This is the highest damage build you can play.

and i would recommend it highly

but i wont say its the "best"

out loud, at least

[low remnant]

hi, i am pretty new to pvp in general and have been trying sub with my friends in 2v2 (warrior or shaman) with mixed success haha. If we were to try 3v3 as rogue warr shaman should I stick with sub or try ass? 👀

[dark moon]

Yeah i started playing the hero talent for envenom damage after shiv yesterday and it felt nice. Managed to get couple of 2.5 mil envenoms here and there. Not sure what's the highest number possible tho

[dark moon]

Hey there,
I would say deathstalker assa as spreading bleeds can do some serious pressure. Sub feels like you need to be really good at the game for it to work.

[outer sky]

My record is 3.8m

[manic steppe]

did you get the name of the addon

[tight hill]

arena analytics ^

someone posted this in another dc the other day. Guy is running amp poison and death from above but that envenom chunks with the coin dmg

you lose, CT, wound poision and a pvp talent though so kind of a meme build

[median wagon]

Are there any high-ranked players here?

[grave basin]

do you have a specific question

[wanton breach]

@dark moon https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/arena-analytics is the name of the addon he is using, REFlex is also an addon to track your games but less detailed I suppose

[outer sky]

Im 2600 in shuffle if that means anything to you lol

[dark moon]

6 mil, sounds like stars need to align but worth a try

[dark moon]

thank you dear

actually no, you have guaranteed crit with cold blood, what am i talking about

[river pollen]

versatile onyx is considered a stat gem right? asking to confirm if it works with the elemental focusing embellishment

[grave basin]

yes

[river pollen]

nicee

ty

[grave basin]

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[dark moon]

2.1k mmr on alt rogue

[languid ravine]

thats the same time I spent clicking +10 groups in dungeon tool, what a coincidence!

[tight hill]

is that with death from above & amp poison

[dark moon]

yes sir

[spring bough]

Blizz should just delete rogue and start over

[dark moon]

i would like those combo finishers like ret paladin's crusader strike, where you press it once and it becomes another ability and you press it again it crits or whatever

[dark kernel]

I want to play hemorrhage again

For no reason other than I loved the sound

[dark moon]

i loved classic backstab sound

it was powerful

satisfying to press as well

[dark kernel]

Yeah

[spring bough]

SOD backstab made it even more fun with cutthroat

[dark kernel]

I always wanted in vanilla to get the misplaced servo arm from Naxx

[spring bough]

30 energy and usable from the front was a crazy fun time

[dark kernel]

I'm SO FUCKING sad it's not a transmog

[dark moon]

never played it

but that monk felt the envenom

im feeling nerfs tomorrow morning

[spring bough]

Idt we get any tuning until midnight now 😭

[dark moon]

oh i dont know if we are getting, im just going by the notion when rogues do such shenanigans they are nerfed to an unplayable state within 24h, but its okay for other classes

[spring bough]

Have yall read legion remix notes?!?!?

No DR/ hard caps on secondary stats. And tons of power ups. We gonna be one shotting everything

[dark moon]

oh they decided to return the fun again

[spring bough]

They are reducing boss and rares health 40% 😂

[dark moon]

we are going to be using the retail version of talents, right?

[spring bough]

Yeah that’s how panda remix was

So full retail talents hero and all

[dark moon]

okay so

the hardest thing is to decide which class is the most fun with 100% crit a lot of haste and shitton of mastery

[spring bough]

They need to implement something for remix like “at 80 you passively have your season 3 tier set bonuses” 😂

[spring bough]

Outlaw. Main gauche with 400% mastery gonna go crazy lol

[dark moon]

maybe shadow priest for apparitions if they proc on crit

hm

[spring bough]

DH prob gonna be crazy too with 100% crit

[dark moon]

could be actually outlaw for melee

but its target capped