pvp

[dark moon]

That's nice, but still having to use the dmg cd like that is bad design and i dislike it. Meanwhile comes warrior of the light and purges everything when wings are up

Do you have fb assa shuffle footage? I played it once and felt shitty, but now I'm eager to try again

[exotic dove]

I can check if I saved some replays

[tight egret]

Oh what pieces of tier are you guys using if any?

[exotic dove]

everything but shoulders

[tight egret]

Do we want 4 set or just 2 set?

[exotic dove]

Hang on I am in an intense pokemon battle on my switch

[tight egret]

priorities

[exotic dove]

So for Fatebound it allows your coin to give you Kingsbane cdr as well as deathmark and for Deathstalker it allows shiv to use a deathstalker mark. The stats on them arent bad either

TL:DR its worth getting four set regardless

[grave pier]

@potent pivot still no vod review 🙁

guys for rogue mage 2's would we prefer subterfuge + 2 vanish?

(sub)

[dark moon]

Whichever gives you more resets and burst and/or cc/surv

[gusty hedge]

dnt think sub uses double vanish

[spring bough]

crazy it took not even a week to get a DH up to speed with rogues pvp and pve ratings and ilvl lol

[chrome schooner]

1. the opener (from your whole team, not you specifically) is very strange. When your Sap/Poly on healer and stuns on DPS fade everyone is still 100% health as though you guys didn't use any damage (well that's the case). There are many ways to make this better. First, don't circle around the warrior for a few extra seconds. Go for the stun. If he wants to hit bladestorm he will, waiting doesn't fix it. The cheap on the Priest shouldn't be necessary, your team has NOTHING else to do that re CC, they poly off sap, then the priest comes and fear, and you focus on dealing damage at this point. Also the ret already used sanc for no reason, so you could even ignore him, sap priest, cheap warrior, re poly priest into fear, immediately combust and send damage, and then IF the ret uses sacrifice, which is his only real button to help unless he wants to bop opener, then you swap him in a kidney while your priest is fearing off poly. Also, I don't know if you noticed, you broke the DR poly with your garrote, you can just garrote after instead. And well if you guys wanted to go ret, which is what it looked like, just poly warrior on cheap shot, fear priest on cheap shot (the one after sap), and send some damage on ret. It turns out fine because they use parry and healer trinket while everyone is on 100% hp, but still :p
2. I'm not really sure what you're doing but when about 4s of your evasion remain you have maximum combo points, and you don't use any until 2s after evasion ends. For sure there can be some optimization here :p

3. about 25s in the video you vanish, maybe because you're afraid of dying but you have disarm available, which you could use, you have 2 charges of feint available, which you could use. But lets say it's fine to vanish because you want to triple stun, and go to 4)
4. so, you stun the priest, and then you do ... whatever else, and stun both DPS very late and as you can see on your party frames the mage gets kicked because you didn't stun, so your team doesn't get a poly. When you kidney that priest there your NEXT global HAS TO BE a cheap shot on one of the DPS and the next global after this HAS TO BE a cheap shot on the other one. It is a shame too because if you did, since the Priest has no trinket and the warrior has no parry and you have deathmark and kingsbane you could end the game on the warrior with poly > blind. You should have used garrote AFTER the stuns and not before. Also, the aoe garrote buff lasts for 12s there's really no rush. when your team gets the poly the enemy priest has had time to top his team because of the gap. So, no kill.

5. you do it again 1min into the video. You stun the priest, and then you spend some globals garroting stuff before stunning warrior so you get dsarmed. stun everything, THEN garrote. Also you should blind the priest off that stun here because you stunned him out of your mage's line of sight so no poly. So: cheap priest, cheap ret, cheap warrior, then garrote both dps with one global, then blind priest, then finally send some dmg

6. 1m09 into the video warrior isn't stun dr'ed you have kidney you have smoke bomb you have every single offensive ability available, and you don't use them. Actually between 1m09 and your death at 1m54 you don't stun anyone. You could have used kidney twice and be close to the 3rd kidney by then (and so you never use bomb, and we can also say you never use blind because you use it into and ultimate penance so it gets immuned)

7. so it was almost a 2min game you never pressed deathmark, never pressed cold blood and kingsbane, when you could almost be to the 2nd deathmark and 3rd kb. if you pick talents, use them :p when to use them is simple: target is stunned, healer is in cc. So, for example in a proper opener, or the time you kidney'ed priest and failed to stun dps in time, if you did then you could burst, 2nd time you stunned priest and failed to stun warrior, same, or in the smoke bomb you didn't use, same
   and 8) your overall damage is low because warrior and ret are rarely properly doted up. In theory (and it's not difficult to do in practise) they should ALWAYS have both garrote and rupture except for the few times they get poly'ed or chastised

[quartz flint]

Do we want 4 set or just 2 set on assa rogue, if we want 4 set i think we want all pieces except shoulders

[chrome schooner]

4P if deathstalker, 2p if fatebound

[quartz flint]

deathstalker but all pieces except shoulers, right?

[chrome schooner]

correct

[quartz flint]

good 😄

[potent pivot]

you think so?

i like the 4p desyncing CDs from the typical script

[chrome schooner]

The only thing it really desyncs them from is badge

It's 66% nerfed in pvp after all

5s reduction on KB

[potent pivot]

Ye ik

[chrome schooner]

There are close to no situations where getting it back 5s earlier makes you kill, and it would force you to use it without badge and the double coin proc without badge isn't as good at all

and if you end up thinking "well I can wait for badge it's 5s"

Then, no need to 4p right :p

[potent pivot]

Ye I see where you’re coming from

It can also double proc

[chrome schooner]

it's very rare

[potent pivot]

Or not proc at all

[chrome schooner]

it's way less rare 😄

nah usually it procs once

the odds are very very favorable to one proc

two, not so much

[spring bough]

any1 know what pvp addon is putting "event player regen enabled/disabled" in chat

looks like its a in or out of combat indicator

[potent pivot]

Looks like shade took a peek at it 🙂 sorry just been busy irl

[pliant lintel]

never as sub, you need the damage from tea, supercharger/forced induction and deeper strat, if you feel like you need 2x vanish you are either A) not kiting between goes B) your mage isn't controlling kill targets between goes.. if kill target is on Stun DR you need to prep next go ie apply rupture proc Darkest Night and finality (start doing this early if you're not going to land the kill in the go) then your mage needs to control them with polys, novas, knockbacks etc while you kite until DR's are back. hope this gives you a brief understanding of RM 2's

[spring bough]

this was fun to do

nice 5-1 cause pally and sham stopped playing LOL

[grave pier]

Holy crap thanks for vod review

[gray dune]

kinda just feel like i wont get 2k this season at this point lol.. i just want the weapon illusion

[pliant lintel]

try playing blitz getting 2k in that is easy

[gray dune]

oh i am lol, currently 4-12 on Arcane lol

debating if i just gear a healer up for pvp just for the faster ques

[grave pier]

Guys

[pliant lintel]

healing is fun, it also gives you good game knowledge and helps you as a dps player as you'll see how frustrating it can be for healers some times

[grave pier]

what button causes your camera to start turning left

It is so annoyign

and i can't stop it

i have to manually reload to stop it

[potent pivot]

o.O

check your base camera settings maybe

[grave pier]

Shift + 4 numpad

wtf is this

i cant find it on keybidnings either

[pliant lintel]

do you have camera following style set to never adjust camera?

[grave pier]

let me check this

[gray dune]

yeah i healed to 2k on pres evoker season 1

i just wanted to do mage this season cuz i liked the armor set

[grave pier]

tryna find this setting

[pliant lintel]

options > controls > scroll to bottom

[grave pier]

only when moving

[pliant lintel]

set to never adjust camera should fix it

[grave pier]

nope

still moving around in full circles

[pliant lintel]

is your character moving as well or just camera?

[grave pier]

it's Shift + a key on my mmo mouse which is Numpad 8

just my camera

ah sorry

it's Shift + numpad 4

aight somehow fixed

[spring bough]

2.1k in keys in 2 days this season. so ez for it. yall should get some free mounts

[severe helm]

wtf is arcane mage rn lol

is pvp just in shambles?

[pliant lintel]

yes

[keen canopy]

she barrage on my arcane till i -17.60M (Critical)

[gleaming sentinel]

Yes. No reason to shuffle atm with ret surv arcane moonkin in their current state

[sonic sparrow]

Is it even possible to kill feral as assa rogue?

It feels impossible

[tawdry cradle]

i just wanted to ask xD

wasnt ass pretty strong at the beginning of the season?

[dark kernel]

I finished gearing my assassination and sub rogue, then realized I had to set up a weakauras for them and I just lost interest

[gleaming sentinel]

Just a deathstalker weak aura?

[dark kernel]

Think there's a couple more for assassination, but I'll get around to it. I was just really lazy last night

I was excited to get to play a game or two and then I realized I never have touched that spec in over a year

[potent pivot]

Well ye, it was kinda busted so it got nerfed

[severe helm]

I wonder if blizzard will ever remember their pvp tuning nerfs and actually revert them

when a spec is no longer actually overperforming and needing it

[spring bough]

never we forever living with restless nerf RIP

[severe helm]

RB nerf killed outlaw for me

[gleaming pawn]

relatively certain this has never happened in the history of the game

[severe helm]

that sucks lol

[gleaming pawn]

you get dumpstered, that's it, you're shit for at least that season

[severe helm]

cuz bte is still nerfed by 200%

does less damage than PS

[gleaming pawn]

this is why Rogue players need to stop playing their Rogue for the first 3-4 weeks of a season, just play some other class

then we won't get nerfed, the one PvP tuning pass will get done, and we can be OP the rest of the season

[sharp sierra]

This channel is the only wow class discord pvp channel where more people are talking about what else to play over their discords class

[gleaming sentinel]

that dude ryrog like deleted his characters after that lol

[dark moon]

thats actually something i would do if we all agree on it 😄

[pliant lintel]

that's why you need 2 rogues, queue an alt until end of season then queue main with omega win rate ez

[severe helm]

LOL he did!??!?!

I know him I should ask lol had no idea he just quit

good for him

[gleaming sentinel]

I can’t confirm, but as soon as that nerf went live his characters didn’t show up on the leaderboard and were greyed out lol

[dark moon]

which nerfes

[unique garnet]

Coin nerf prob

[spring bough]

DH, Frost, Fury, and BM walk into a solo

[unique garnet]

and mage?

[dark moon]

i just got out of a ret dh fire mage and 2 mw monks lobby 3-3 on 2.3k cr

[spring bough]

frost DK**

fury just got deleted by me and the BM

frost dk doing 4mil dps

[unique garnet]

and frost dk being sad of their nerfs

[gleaming sentinel]

Nah we’re talking about restless blades nerf

While back now

[unique garnet]

ah that was before i came back to the game

[spring bough]

went to mage tower for fun and absolutely deleted the guy lol

unbridled fury pot still broken

[dark moon]

healers werent prepared for being cleaved/trained

[dark moon]

i have forgotten that blinding light removes all my bleeds

jesus christ

playing with a ret pal is an affix

[pliant lintel]

yup

[devout meadow]

is there any way to "buy" honor with honor badges? i mean not the honor coin but the honor required to unlock legion artifact appeareances

[spring bough]

ret goes 0-4 so a healer AFKs out of shuffle..... this game man

[dark moon]

i got 3 lobbies 1-5 im back to 2.2 - people not using cds or just tunneling one target

also not switching when im pinging and ccing off my deathmark bleeds

when we're about to kill is just next level

ww monk wants to chase mm hunter and boomkin when holy paladin has 20 seconds of forbearance left is not on dr and we can kill in a stun 😄

[gleaming sentinel]

damn you were 1 lob from elite hate to see it

[dark kernel]

assassination rogue is wonderful

I have no idea what im doing and 1.5M dps is easy

i tab targeted the enemy healer to triple dot him, came back and kidneyd him 10 seconds later and he dies

[gleaming sentinel]

recovering outlaw mains trying assa for the first time in shuffle lol

[wet crown]

Nukes arcane, meanwhile

[dark moon]

yeah well it is what it is

managed to get back to 2.3

but im still being paired with first time shufflers

it shouldnt be the case imho, but that matchmaking is not it

[spring bough]

25min into blitz and solo and no pops.... love it lol

[gleaming sentinel]

i used my expac boost on yet another rogue just so i can get into blitz games

lol

[dark moon]

shuf queues on eu were kinda fire 2 hours ago - less than 15 min per pop

but its really random

i think lowering round count would be an improvement in terms of wait time, but i dont think it will be implemented

[exotic dove]

Too many people like shuffle the way it is so Blizzard probably wont do anything

even if it could be better. They are afraid of changes having to make them LFG again

[sharp sierra]

cant fix low player base

[spring bough]

love when u crush a couple rounds so good on solo you get the whisper "3s?" lol

[digital zodiac]

they should make a 2s shuffle 🫡

[digital zodiac]

healer issue, nobody wants to play healer

[spring bough]

honestly would be fun asf

[digital zodiac]

they would have to cook hard with the matchmaking system cuz imagine you queue 2s shuffle and get paired against a healer matchup

[sharp sierra]

thats always going to be an issue

in any game lmao

[digital zodiac]

somehow in final fantasy is not THAT bad

[spring bough]

6-0 in 3's with a DK and mist... absolutely blasting teams lol

[sharp sierra]

Never really got into FF, was always eso when wow got stale strictly because of VA

[digital zodiac]

it always boils down to pressure, healer/tank always the first being pointed at when something goes wrong and you do receive a lot of hate playing em

[sharp sierra]

Wows honestly the only mmo where healers are flamed before tanks

Coming from a tank player across a sh it ton of MMOs

[digital zodiac]

ffxiv got a forced family friendly thing going on, so nobody is allowed to directly curse your bloodline... even tho they think about it

ye, they put a lot of the weight on healers

dw bois imma join the priest class discord and spread the word to queue up ill save pvp

[spring bough]

love getting a focusing lens kill on a pally for almost a milly feels so good lol

[grave basin]

outlaws discovering damage for the first time

anyway there's apparantly a conspiracy that the dev in charge of leather classes got pulled to do housing content

[stoic spruce]

That's dumb

Tell them to come up with something better

[digital zodiac]

he doing the rugs and shit

the pelt decorations

[sharp sierra]

Does anybody actually know if there even is a PvP team? I keep seeing things that there hasn’t been one in forever

I mean like damn add a BP at this point if they need to justify money 😭

[stoic spruce]

Combat designers do pvp too

[gray dune]

do i keep going in Blitz tonight or stop lol? im on a 7 game win streak and rode it from unrated to 1614

[digital zodiac]

the ppl in charge of pvp seem to think BGs is the stuff

[sharp sierra]

I guess better question is what realistic % do we think of total players that main PvP

[stoic spruce]

They have gone on record saying BGs is where wow pvp shines

[sharp sierra]

Staying true to Ow with Que times

[outer sky]

why do I never have a good class at max level

[sharp sierra]

I waited 38 min yesterday for a champ 5 game

[outer sky]

I have rogue, monk, evoker, and shaman all at 80

they all suck ass

[gray dune]

cuz you not playing pres evoker

[sharp sierra]

Lowkey always wanted to give my evoker another chance

[digital zodiac]

we are so cooked 😭

[sharp sierra]

I think they still in-vision BGs being arms, healer, rogue, rest balance that’s it

[gray dune]

i mean BGs are fine if they do more with Blitz cuz of it.

[digital zodiac]

theyre fun... but shouldnt be consider the main thing

[gleaming sentinel]

Bgs where the reason we lose is because of my team and the reason we win is because of me

[digital zodiac]

i just lost a shuffle queue and felt a piece of my soul leave me

[grave basin]

this is why always level every class at the start of every expac

or atleast most of them

[exotic dove]

I just play what I have fun with its always rogue whether they are good or bad. Always have that Hunter cause he is as old as my Rogue but only carried by nostalgia purposes now and then that DK

Rogues could be complete dog and I would still play it because I could have issues but I just enjoy the class that much

[grave basin]

play ret enjoy life smash hammers

pew pew

[exotic dove]

I was going to but they are so damn boring

Unholy Dk is engaging to me though

So got that geared and starting playing that

again

Ret reminds me too much of BM Hunter now with ret only having more utility

I dont need another one

[grave basin]

uh dk is fun af

esp in shuffle

two ranged kicks is so nice to have after playing specs that just waddle

then after that respec frost and smash keys

DK is a vibe lol

[jolly sierra]

ive seen BMs today in SS

can be sure in say they sucks rn

they are very overpowered by other burst spec classes like ret, arcane or frost dk

[grave basin]

bm is good

r1 cutoff

meanwhile

[jolly sierra]

welp, but at this pace

i am very sure i get 2k1 w ret at first

poor rogue is at 1k8

monk at 1k7 cuz i am slacker and got bad streaks

and ret just fkn explode everything

its like a race

[grave basin]

i cba to play assa when it's hpal/hpal/ret every lobby but i still got 2.1k on him before switching to dk

assa is still good (enough)

[hybrid sapphire]

i think creeping venom might be more valuable in the era of kingsbane???

[spring bough]

2.5k io unlocks the shoulder smoke now instead of it being 3k what a joke lol

what an easy play for some mogs this season XD

[spring bough]

BM my next alt lol

[grave basin]

The funny thing is you can do dragonflight raid on mythic and it still drops the shoulder smoke item

There's always groups doing it for mog

It unlocks it for only that raid's season

[grave basin]

I'm waiting for .07 then I'll knock out warlock and DH elite sets then I think I'm done

[spring bough]

yeah i got em all from DF just needed season 1s and a quick mog run got it lol

[digital zodiac]

what shoulder smoke? 🤔

[grave basin]

The elite set has a shoulder/helm particle effect

If you get to 2.4k PvP or 2.5k io (lol)

You unlock that for every set

[digital zodiac]

ahh that one

[grave basin]

2.5k Io is free

[digital zodiac]

indeed

[gilded gulch]

i havent liked a rogue set in ages

[digital zodiac]

last one was fire

[gilded gulch]

legion s1/2 or 3/4 elite my goat

[sharp sierra]

[digital zodiac]

i also liked the shadowlands one, the cosmic glad

[spring bough]

do i turn my rogue to sin

[gilded gulch]

i dont mind that set

[digital zodiac]

also the chains of domination one

[gilded gulch]

that was just leather in general

[digital zodiac]

also the kareshi one from nerub

[hybrid sapphire]

🥰

[gilded gulch]

not a fan

[hybrid sapphire]

ninja-dropping-down-from-the-rafters-coded

[grave basin]

It is though. io not cr

[sharp sierra]

oh lmao

[digital zodiac]

the deathmantle from back in the day was fire too

[gilded gulch]

idk my favorite og

is cataclymsic glad

[spring bough]

what if they introduced a delayed interrupt to the game

[tender tartan]

how do i solve being too ass to pass 1900

I believe sin can do it and that im just bad

but also maybe trying to force it on sin is not the most intelligent decision rn

[hybrid sapphire]

sin can do it im doing it rn

[spring bough]

just keep at it ull get it

[tender tartan]

i fuckin pray

maybe if i keep dodging ret nation

actually, you know what, im thinking about this wrong. If i keep pushing in this meta full of horseshit, I'll be a god by the time the meta gets better for us

[sharp sierra]

my thoughts tbh

[gray dune]

I grinded 3s all the way to 1530🫩 could have been higher but gear difference mattered it seemed

The chain cc on a pres evoker is real

[dark moon]

What do you have in mind?

[blissful peak]

Searched a bit but didn't find much discussion on it - what do y'all think about the spell density setting?

[dark moon]

what about it

[blissful peak]

If the reduce in visual clutter by setting it to its lower settings is worth the tradeoff for you personally, basically

The value proposition is either more information of a lower average quality, or less information but of a higher average quality

Was wondering if anyone had strong opinions about which side of that is more optimal

[harsh kiln]

more optimal would be enough so you can see what's going on without it cluttering your screen

it's personal preference no?

try the different settings out, find out for yourself is my advice

[blissful peak]

Yeah absolutely, I think a setting like that is always going to come down to how much of the information you are able to process, which is mostly experience and hyper individual

I was just curious how you all use it

[harsh kiln]

haha fair enough

personally i put it at one setting, and left it. never thoguht about it again

[dark moon]

think its personal. If you get distracted by all the spells and flashes, lower it. If not - spells are beautiful

im having it on the lowest possible setting as a lot of spells being casted alongside 234234 pets makes it hard for me to see whats happening

but thats also the reason i play on lowest graphic settings with ffxglow disabled cause it just puts a strain on my eyes - even when i could afford playing on 200 + fps on max settings i was playing on low

[untold remnant]

If I play both sub and assa, but am currently pushing more on assa. Is it better to buy badge or insignia?

I feel with fatebound kingsbane, having badge might actually be better than the insignia? It just leaves me with no haste. Don't know if that's bad

[languid ravine]

ask yourself do you win more games by pressing kingsbane or more games by dps maxxing and then buy based on vibes

[untold remnant]

Combination 😄

[languid ravine]

or buy both and swap based on matchup 5head

[untold remnant]

Ye, but we are still conq capped. So trying to minmax a bit right now

[gleaming sentinel]

If you play both just use badge, it’s good for fatebound

[spring bough]

An interrupt that you press but wouldn’t go off until the enemy’s next cast

Something you can’t pre cog with these stupid ass bots people have been using

[waxen meteor]

Last day of Arcane mage

After I got familiar with Mage, I felt I had a very nice ride pushing

This spec is totally OP

[languid ravine]

I havent encountered a single SV hunt or Arcane mage entire season strange

ah I remember now bnecause I havnt played at all

[waxen meteor]

I had a rough start, but basically because I was just figuring out, with like 40% win rate ish

[languid ravine]

[waxen meteor]

Then once I figured out, it was striaght Ws

Burst every 15 seconds lol

and each burst can randomly eneded up with a 5M-10M Barrel

I seriously don't even need to sheep healer in most times

[languid ravine]

sounds fair to me

[waxen meteor]

Mostly after a couple of rounds, people stopped trying to chase me

then I will be doing double damage than 2nd dps

there are good healer pre cast CDs before my big barrel hits, but man, I am coming again in 15 seconds lol

didn't even use the one shot build

[spring bough]

Have u been playing? What lol

Nvm I read more 😂

[pliant lintel]

Yo @spring bough does your damage seem really low today or am I trippin? my BTE will not crit above 1.5

[spring bough]

I can check later. Haven’t played outlaw in a week 😂

Wouldn’t be the first time they shadow nerfed outlaw

[gusty hedge]

coin damage feels like its been nerfed again but btw slappin for me

[spring bough]

Coin dmg all purely rng on coin flips 😭

Some days pops off other days like ????

[pliant lintel]

Even on target dummies BTE critting 1.5

Seems weird

[waxen meteor]

yeah after all outlaw currently ranks 1st in 3s

Not even joking

[gusty hedge]

whazz

still playin withh that arcane mage?

[sharp sierra]

Can’t get it higher than 1.5 either and coin is going 2-3x the damage if everything else

Actually frustrating

[waxen meteor]

and he is using the trick pvp talent +15% dmg on mage lol

I am guessing he plays like cc bot

creates bigger burst for aracne mage

who bursts every 15 seconds

until tmr

[gleaming sentinel]

Whaaz is a goat but I really
Hope people understand outlaw is just the best at enabling a caster dps

And when you give tricks or stun something for a player like raiku you’re gonna win a lot of games

[waxen meteor]

we are talking about randomly 5-8 M barrel hit * 1.15

but if you are lucky, 11M * 1.15

and 3s are not SS, I guess mage can call for the 1.15 mul when he gets the big one coming

[sharp sierra]

What’s the highest you’ve guys have send bte hit for,

[pliant lintel]

yea i mean outlaw has insane control so put it in the hands of the best rmp players and it will do well regardless of damage

[pliant lintel]

2.1-2.3 on cloth if lucky

[spring bough]

Whazz don’t count bros a robot lol

[sharp sierra]

If only wow had a spec that specifically designed around helping your other dps. If only they specifically buffed it to be a buff bot.

No no guys that’s not augmentation evoker, it’s outlaws jobs to do less damage than a aug while having 2 more cc options

[waxen meteor]

well that was a trolling message anway

[waxen meteor]

Aug rogue

[tight hill]

outlaw class fantasy, just a chill dude who helps his teammates out

[sharp sierra]

Outlaw: Swashbuckler SUPPORT

[tight hill]

everyone needs an emotional support pirate

[sharp sierra]

It’s not a gun, it’s an air soft gun so we don’t accidentally hit our teammates!

[pliant lintel]

water pistol

[spring bough]

But but we wanna be the ones doing the KBs

[pliant lintel]

nothing more annoying when somebody is 15% hp and you can't kill them because you want to RP Pirates of the Caribbean

[dark kernel]

I am a gamer

[dark moon]

that sounds like a bot kick or whatever its called. I have a better idea - remove the darn precog or get counterpart for melees when they land successfully

but remove that cancer altogether

[spring bough]

Yeah but it would be a game feature so tech not a bot. Just some blizz AI on the kick lol

Yeah removing precog would take care of it lol

[dark moon]

ye but how do you justify being in the game?

casters would shut down discords

and if it lands 100% of the time and you cant fake it

imagine facing triple interrupt comp as a caster and they rotate kicks one after another...gl casting

that sounds like a nightmare

[spring bough]

That’s what they get for these precog bots lmao

[dark moon]

but ye precog must go

or get reduced to 2 seconds so it only counts for 1 cast

[waxen meteor]

tbh I am fine with precog, it's just annoying against multiple interupt

like you kick correctly, if your teammate kicks just 0.001 sec after you, he sends precog

and/or just add a positive reward on a good kick

not just pushing with bad kick

[spring bough]

Locks are the reason it should be removed. No one should be able to cast 8 chaos bolts that are going off every .2 seconds that could do 5-10 mil a pop without the worry of being interrupted 😭

[waxen meteor]

arcane mage says all instant cast

[dark moon]

i forgot empyrean domain existed...and i have a question.. is it bigger than nagrand or smaller? there's something about it that i dont like and i cant put my finger on the exact reason

[pliant lintel]

pillars are bigger not as easy to los on

and it's way too bright

[dark moon]

is it bigger in map size?

[pliant lintel]

im not actually sure

feels like it is but i don't know if it actually is

[gilded gulch]

imo precog should only exist on casters with one school

meanwhile you have mages with 3

[waxen meteor]

nowadays basically only affl lock then

[dense thorn]

how hard is 2.1k on sub rogue for someone who has never gone above 1800-1900 (for the transmog) but has hit 2.4k all the way back in shadowlands when it was massively inflated with pve players.. i just want the red dagger transmog from 2.1k lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Aren’t the weapon transmogs form 2400?

[dense thorn]

says duelist

isnt that 2.1?

this cosmetic dagger? that 2100?

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh cool maybe it’s just the tabard then, when did that change happen? lol

[pliant mauve]

In shuffle? If you hit 1900 every season since shadowlands I imagine it wouldn’t be that bad. Obviously easier later in the season but if you keep sending it you’ll eventually get there. I haven’t played too much this season but I’m about 2200 and the lobbies feel easier than they did at this rating last season.

[dense thorn]

im playing as sub its a bit rough out here at low mmr lol

[dense thorn]

no idea, just saw it when looking at transmog and it was there ha

think its different to a weapon illusion though

[tender tartan]

i cant tell if i should feel praised or saddened that im stuck around 1800 and being told this

rough tl:
you arent the problem bro, im 2100 on rogue and left it at that, its bad

[dense thorn]

hablo espanol por es muy mal

[jolly sierra]

ye, rogue have a very rough (ahem) time right now

[tender tartan]

bro went 6-0 in surv sin unholy boomy lobby

i respect it

[jolly sierra]

i am hardstuck w rog at 1k8 rn but my other classes dont stop pushing

the rog is the one locked rn

[tender tartan]

honestly given that i started this season, im just gonna take this as praise then

[jolly sierra]

but its fine

eventually i will move forward

[dense thorn]

subt burst needs buff

we got shadow nerflol

[gleaming sentinel]

Aura buffed by 6%, why did so many miss that? Sub gonna be better

[tender tartan]

yeah its a net buff

sin should feel a tiny bit better with the higher stam on everyone

TTK going up will let me be a nuisance longer xd

[dense thorn]

because we only do damage in our windows anyway ~(coming from a pve player)

so our burst has gone down no?

[tender tartan]

no

it should map out to being a net buff

think of the shab change as a power shift

your mini cds will hit harder

but your big cds will be nearly even in translation

maybe a slight nerf on full cd send

[dense thorn]

in my solo lobbies its impossible to set anything up anyway lol

so youre just pveing them down half the time

[tender tartan]

but your overall threat will be higher due to your mini cds between shab windows hurting way more

honestly fuck it, at this point im swapping to badge. I feel like if i just play to hard fb burst i'll have an easier time

cuz im always like 1% off of execute when i pop my kb go anyway

that little bit of extra burst SHOULD get me way more kills

[gleaming sentinel]

Every dance will be stronger and shadow blades will basically be the same as it is now

[dense thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[hollow carbon]

But everyone has a bit more stamina as well

So its basically 0 and maybe 1-2% better 🫠

[muted spire]

Ayo what happen to other class discords?

[hidden moth]

anyone else seeing this for fel hammer rn ?

wont show me any channels like server is down

[waxen meteor]

My suggestion is to not play sub in solo arena, sub is good blitz.

but tbh blitz 2.1 is easy, like solo 1.8

[waxen meteor]

yeah server is down

[hidden moth]

so is locks

and shaman hunters druids monks pala and shaman

[waxen meteor]

it's discrod issue

happened several times

not single server down

[spring bough]

so what did every1 do with their lives when discord was down

[sharp sierra]

thats so funny on;ly the wow discords had issues lol

[spring bough]

yeah im done with outlaw for the season man. i gotta play lights out to 9/10 times still lose

[dense thorn]

Blitz wait time is insane though

[spring bough]

some1 asked earlier today if BTE felt like it was down.... got a couple 2 million BTEs seems normal. BTE numbers is overall and the right details was the last round.... chasing Spriests all lobby.... fun

and i get into my first blitz and Xylvana on the opposite team..... WHY lol

we did it yall beat a R1 rogue in blitz XD

[jolly sierra]

i think is cuz the server region

for me ravenholdt was down too

[spring bough]

im kinda perplexed.. how is my MMR 1k over my current rating this games broken lol

[jaunty osprey]

BGB has big mmr swings but

you're on a heater atm, so your mmr keeps going up

if you go 50-50

you'll ascend

[spring bough]

im on outlaw lol

[spring bough]

oh man i got a blood DK i can hand off flags too in WSG

[jaunty osprey]

u're just goated

[spring bough]

i reread that after u edited and it makes more sense LOL

blood DK just ripped 3 caps in WSG. love to see it

blood DK > guardian druid FC

[tender tartan]

yeah that swap to badge helped quite a bit

actually able to close the games

[waxen meteor]

I think it’s actually faster than solo queue…

[waxen meteor]

Well I am not sure if we can draw conclusion with one lobby, but if you use KB, I think badge fits better anyway

[tender tartan]

Its kinda an intuition thing of feeling the difference against the same gear here. Larger sample size will tell for sure, but I'm able to barely close out kills I've been just shy of before

So I'm feeling pretty confident that for my personal play, it's the right call

And yeah its fatebound

[waxen meteor]

For me it’s same for FB or DS

If you take KB, take badge

[tender tartan]

Fair

[waxen meteor]

1min cd perfectly matches

[gleaming sentinel]

the daggers with the enchant look kinda insane

[dark kernel]

i haven't played in a week

fresh MMR toon and the queues are worse?

damn

[sharp sierra]

what do you mean badge?

[tender tartan]

1min cd active trinket giving you agility

The blue helmet one

[sharp sierra]

gotcha thanks

[drifting current]

One question, if I want to craft pvp gear, only the missives/embelishments quality matters, right? What about the other ingredients like marbled stones? Do those items' quality matter as well?

[keen canopy]

missive and embellishment quality only influences crafting difficlty

[sharp sierra]

3 star is better

its cheaper btw cause people try to pull a fast one on those not klookng

[keen canopy]

quality of all materials for pvp gear doesn't matter

i mean if you can get the highest quality that's great

[sharp sierra]

oh idk i always grab them since they are cheaper anyways

[keen canopy]

but if you get a quality 4 item instead of a quality 5 craft
it doesn't really matter if you're just pvping

since the item level in pvp is gonna be 723 anyway

tldr just get whatever materials are cheaper honestly

[sharp sierra]

what do you normally tip? i usually tip 5k

[drifting current]

Ty very much

[keen canopy]

555 gold 55 silver

[jolly sierra]

420.69g

[wet crown]

been a few weeks, how's rogue handling rss now? lol

Indecisive on what I want to push on, leaning outlaw.

[sick wasp]

@jaunty osprey 8min mark 😂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QrF9JtDTCc

u dusted both good

[jaunty osprey]

bro

that clip

u can see me

stutter stepping ontop of him

waiting for his trinket

tomorrow cant come soon enough

[grave basin]

that's an insane tip lol

i usually do 200g

[grave basin]

afaik if it's not max rank it then there's no opportunity cost for them if you provide the mats

[dim oriole]

Well it's more about the time, and if its public order you can only do so many

200g is pretty low, WQs give you like 800g

But if people do them then

[grave basin]

Never ever do public orders

Just ask in trade chat and 10 bots will insta reply you in dm

[dark moon]

goddamn i feel offended cause i always try to help lost people in the chat 😄

[grave basin]

i mean those with an auto reply bot

not actual humans

[sick wasp]

yup

u rly clapped their cheeks

that ks came just in time to let the oldman wondering

😂

[noble venture]

Why are people playing deathstalker in 2s as Assa right now?

I'm wondering if it's a matchup thing

[tight hill]

on Murlok? they're probably playing other modes also so doesn't mean they queue DS on 2s

[noble venture]

Yeah that could be it

But I feel that doesn't explain the whole picture

Fatebound is preferred on all brackets still, so I'm unsure

I'm not so sure that many pvpers are doing M+

[tight hill]

i mean, both are good

but fors 2s personally i would run the fb build everytime

i think the DS build has been ran for 2 seasons now with no changes so FB is new shiny

[noble venture]

Maybe could be good against pet classes for the aoe

I guess some healers like a longer game too, so that's probably a factor

[digital zodiac]

could also be ppl trying out the 4set

[dark moon]

4 piece on fb worth?

[potent pivot]

its kinda w/e

[dark moon]

leveled another rogue and thinking of fb assa or sub for shuffle, cause my main is with rigged pvp gear and cba

[potent pivot]

not really losing anything running it or not running it

[dark moon]

but i feel like maybe fb assa is the way as i get crazy when people ruin my stun dr as sub

[tight hill]

actually first time it happened to me but god damn that is BS lol

0.3 seconds to notice the debuff

[dark moon]

Damn lol

[spring bough]

😂 damn mages

[spring bough]

1k or less lmao

[dark kernel]

I expect people to pay me

I think if you play NA today is guaranteed 4 set day

[spring bough]

Been rocking four set for two weeks 😭

[dark kernel]

Yeah

[glass hazel]

rogues does 2m coins fixed directly, mages do 14m working as intended

[lofty vine]

So is it confirmed that 4p isn't working for outlaw?

Or only benefitting once per game?

[waxen meteor]

you don't know mage
there's no debuff you can notice, that debilitation is not even picked in the 'one shot' build

this guy was running normal build most likely, this debilitation can stack to 50 fairly easily if mage gets lucky

[spring bough]

It should be working. But some games people won’t even proc lucky coin

[stoic spruce]

Idk where you heard that from. The 4pc is applied for as long as you have lucky coin

[spring bough]

If you use the cancel aura to open it procs lucky coin 100%

I’ve been getting 50% uptime and over most games with lucky coin

[stoic spruce]

Yeah there's no reason to not have lucky atp

With the pve macro

That's an exaggeration but you can get lucky coin

4pc works

[spring bough]

It’s weird tho in PvP. When u use the macro you can’t cheap shot. If you play HO you also can’t ambush after the opener. But you can still crackshot

It’s more bugged in PvP with the macro than it is in keys. It’s weird

[stoic spruce]

Yeah you gotta be extra careful

On top of how outlaw is in general

[spring bough]

I actually doing a lot of success with HO, HH and GSW last night

And that’s with opening with the macro everytime and procing coin. Then the cooldowns line up about a minute after and you get another go. It’s actually incredible the burst we get in that window. I did a vanish into cancel aura, popped badge trinket, adrenaline/ghostly, and this dude went from 85% to 5% in a second lol

[tight hill]

i dont really no, i though nether flux was their big dam debuff

[spring bough]

Think I’m gonna run the crit badge from conq and keep it macro’d to my adrenaline/ghostly opener. Gives it a huge boost

1min CD. Lines up often

[stoic spruce]

I've been using it with great success

[waxen meteor]

oh nether flux is a big multiplier but it's instant

[dark kernel]

The 4 piece is so shit in pvp it might as well not exist is more the sentiment. It's a one time 5 second GS cool down, and 10 for AR

[waxen meteor]

no way to monitor that i don't even know if it's a debuff or a buff on mage

anyway you press nether flux and barrel at same time..

[stoic spruce]

It's not the best yeah

But that's less globals I gotta spend to get adr back

Every global spent without adr is a year off my life

[dark kernel]

It doesn't refresh after AR cooldowns

[stoic spruce]

It's 10 seconds off

It's cooldown

[dark kernel]

I don't understand how most of you guys see the AR cooldowns, but it's 10 seconds off just the first one

Like yeah as outlaw that's 2 finishers of CDR as a 4pc bonus might as well not exist

For fatebound when we have more gear I won't run 4pc on either sin or Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

2 whole ace procs worth lol

[dark kernel]

That's not much outside of the opener

[stoic spruce]

I miss last tier

[dark kernel]

It really isnt

[stoic spruce]

No it's not

[dark kernel]

The trickster 4pc is game changing

[stoic spruce]

Trickster 4pc is real cdr

[dark kernel]

I know fatebound is real popular right now, but I feel trickster maybe the play later.

But I feel a lot like Van with the burst for fatebound during vabish being good

[stoic spruce]

Even with shitty 4pc it's just more ST dmg in general.

But trickster is worth too

Frankly it's worth just for double coup

Everything else is a bonus imo

Cdr is in shambles rn

That rb nerf aging like milk

[dark kernel]

Yeah.

I need some free time to test more,but I finished my sin and sub rogue gearing yesterday

Sin is so free.

Just look to stun healer or anyone really and just peel damage and wait

[waxen meteor]

NE?

[dark kernel]

Yeap

[abstract stratus]

Ok so I haven’t been paying attention in this discord lately so I’ll take my lumps if this has already been talked about but 4 piece for fate bound is useless even on sin rogue?

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's fairly useless

[potent pivot]

you don't really gain or lose much using/not using it

[pliant lintel]

i play 4set on law everything else is 2set

sin DS 4set is ok

[potent pivot]

4p on DS is great

same for sub

[pliant lintel]

i didn't really notice much difference when i played 4set sub

darkest night and finalty were always procc'd before a go so was only really opener was different

[potent pivot]

using 4set makes you line up DN/finality always basically

popping that mark is really good

[pliant lintel]

yea but during maintenance you're setting up procs anyway

[potent pivot]

the modifiers are just so nerfed now that yeah its not like you're going to pop off a massive evis

i don't think it was even worth trying to force them to line up before the set

in s1 we used rupture during dance to force DN/finality to line up, but since the all the modifiers got nerfed we just quit adding in the rupture

[pliant lintel]

nahh it's not something you completely focus on i agree just if you can might as well sort of thing

[dark kernel]

Sub is so straightforward now it's honestly so nice.

Just do damage when healer is stunned

[abstract stratus]

So the set just takes a couple seconds off the NEXT dm kb not lowering its cd while the buff is up

[dark kernel]

Correct it's a one time CD deduction

[pliant lintel]

if you play on use it de sync's it though so just remember that

[abstract stratus]

So what’s stopping us from purposely removing the coin aura before we do our burst again rinse and repeat because I can get a lucky coin every go easily as clunky as that is

[dark kernel]

You cant

The game doesn't let you cancel that aura effect

I thought of it myself

[abstract stratus]

So only option is to try and drop combat for an extended period which would throw most games

Sick

[sharp sierra]

What are you liking more about sub? It’s been years since I played sub mainly been sin and this season it’s outlaw and I’m already over it 🤣

Is it still running one vanish window?

[potent pivot]

ye

[sharp sierra]

Oof that kinda scares me

[spring bough]

It’s 10 seconds off ADR everytime u proc a lucky coin. Just gotta get ur procs up

[sharp sierra]

Would you guys say sub or sin would be better for overall wanting to become a better arena player?

[pliant lintel]

better than what and which bracket?

[sharp sierra]

Sin feels like I’d be less locked to certain comps

[sharp sierra]

I’ve never pushed passed 1800 on any class ngl too busy swapping to the next thing lol

[potent pivot]

if you want to genuinely get better at the game, sub

[dark kernel]

You can only proc one lucky coin for arena match unless you drop combat for 10 seconds

[dark kernel]

Sub is just so straightforward in its win condition, you do damage while healer is CCd and you do enough damage to kill someone alone

Make a step kidney macro and know your damage rotation and be patient

[spring bough]

I’ve def procd more than one in rounds last night. You don’t need that cancel macro when doing the ghostly/adrenaline macro from vanish

[pliant lintel]

sub is easily griefed though so you just have to understand sometimes theres literally nothing you can do

[spring bough]

Just need to make sure ghostly and adrenaline line up for a vanish to get another lucky coin

I’ve found it hard tho. I get CC’d literally every vanish window it’s sickening

It’s like second I press vanish. Fear. Stun. Disorient. Another fear. Another stun. Like does it ever end??

[pliant lintel]

that's because people got 1000 weakauras with airhorns flashing text telling them they might die

[spring bough]

I need a weak aura that yells at me do hold vanish or hold adrenaline so that I can line up more ghostly/adrenaline vanish windows

Anyone have any ideas on that? Lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah, but subs numbers are so high right now and you no longer Need shadowblades for a kill.

It does just a lot of samage

[sharp sierra]

nice imma swap back to sin from outlaw today and roll with that till i feel more comfy then ill go sub

love how they actually share stats

[dark kernel]

Sin is just another world of everything.

Feels like playing in molasses but the damage is there

[dark kernel]

Going to queue outlaw tonight let me get ready

https://tenor.com/view/shoenice-vodka-absolut-alcoholic-mewhenidrinktheentirebotlein20seconds-gif-6046797341451696629

[spring bough]

Good luck 🫡

[dark kernel]

Thanks, it's been 2 weeks. I'm sure it's the exact same lmao

[spring bough]

I took a week off. Played the DH. Did a few outlaw solo lobby’s yesterday. Think 4-2 was my only winning lobby. Have a better chance in blitz as outlaw tbh

Think I’m just playing blitz mostly rest of the season try and get strategist for a 3 peat on that

[dark kernel]

Yeah I hear you. I started playing sin last night to try to practice

I'm going to play all 3 specs this season and just try to get as high as possible.

It's insane playing sin because you passively put out so much pressure during vanish windows and you can just babysit healer a lot too

[abstract stratus]

Deathstalker 4 piece for sin feel good? I’d imagine having the deathstalker mark up faster and being able to rupture,ct, then shiv envenom while still in stun should feel nice but not sure how much btter than fb it feels now

[jolly sierra]

ye, its good

forcing darkest night is good af

[potent pivot]

don't think it feels much better than fb tbh

it does more overall dps, just less ST/burst

kinda just depends what your comp needs

[abstract stratus]

I like that having both options is available for sin rogue now makes it feel Much more versatile in each bracket

[hardy bough]

in deathmark should i press my second shiv the global i have 1s left of shiv or the global shiv falls off

[potent pivot]

Kinda depends

On what build you’re playing and if you think the extra shiv will do anything worthwhile

[hardy bough]

I meant to post this in the pve channel mb

[pliant lintel]

wym bro pvp is pve these days

[waxen meteor]

[hearty shell]

in solo shuf does it always set the party frames the same? could i macro tricks to just target the other dps all the time?

[dark kernel]

You can kind of manipulate it with a addon to always be a certain alignment. I just have 2 macros and switch them

[pliant lintel]

you can use 'dynamicMacros' addon to make a tricks macro that will always update your dps partners name at the start of a game

[raven shale]

Is thick as thieves actually good tho?

I always thought that talent was kinda bait

[pliant lintel]

nahh it's really good if you use it properly

[raven shale]

I think the talent is good if only tricks wasn't talented together with blackjack

I lost count of the times a quick blind saved my life

[outer sky]

i just got 4 set and this feels like its doing absolutely nothing

which is really shitty because I cant get my old pre-catalyst'd gear back

there should be a way to do that

[gleaming pawn]

Which 4-set? Because you have to get to 7 lucky stacks in Fatebound and it’s also bugged on top of that

[outer sky]

deathstalker assa

[gleaming pawn]

Ah, you’re not seeing it give you darkest night one stack early after you shiv?

[outer sky]

I am seeing it do that

that just doesnt seem to be worth taking the comparitively worse stats. You hit someone with a 2.7m envenom and their health doesnt freaking move

my overall isnt any better

my kill windows arent any better

its a really shit effect honestly

they designed the spec around bleeds then made the 4 set effect envenom

like okay

[gleaming pawn]

It’s definitely not great, but neither are any of our hero trees tbh. Everyone did just get another big influx of stamina

[outer sky]

i dont know why they wont just give us what we actually need. The spec is designed to only be good for a few seconds after breaking stealth. So make the tier something that reduces the CD of Vanish. it's so obvious

[gleaming pawn]

But it’s also not doubling the amount of darkest nights, so I can see where you are coming from

[outer sky]

nah not even close

its like they don't understand their own design

if it doesnt grant you more stealth windows, it's practically useless

i find it hard to believe they don't know that

yet we havent seen a vanish CDR as long as I can remember

idk I guess I don't really understand what theyre going for. Our tier is all about useless buttons

you'd think theyd want it to lean into what makes your class/spec actually good

like who cares what the CD on death mark is. Its just gunna get cleansed anyway and even if it doesnt itll go its whole duration and not even eat through a warlock'd dark pack

who cares about envenoms when theyre doing as much as a MW wind kick even post nerf

[gleaming pawn]

Just too focused on PvE, getting more DNs over the course of a raid boss is good, but doesn’t have nearly as large an impact in PvP and that’s before it gets nerfed by 66%

[outer sky]

its just so poorly thought out

then they need to unnerf it in pvp

they have the ability to do that

has anyone else noticed this weird bug where if you get CCd right as you vanish you don't get subterfuge?

you get the silence and the empowered garrotes

but no cheap shots

[gleaming pawn]

I want to say I’ve heard of that in other parts of the game being a known bug, but I wouldn’t swear to it

[acoustic junco]

I'm pretty sure it's a pvp trinket issue.

Vanish -> trinket cc -> no subterfuge

Vanish -> wait for stealth to break -> trinket cc -> you now have subterfuge

[spring bough]

I have it with outlaw where I open a certain way and I get crack shot BTEs I can spam. But I can’t cheap and if I play HO I can’t ambush. Weird asf lol

But it’s only that 6 second window and then boom ambush is back up. Weird as hell lol

[spring bough]

I think I’m going to start playing fatebound HO with GSW and HH. And take vigor over supercharger

some1 play this and tell me what u think lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Got the proc boots, wonder if they slap in PvP

[gleaming pawn]

It’s good that they have vers on them already, but yeah making the clock proc more effective will be good

[spring bough]

they do not cape is the same with or without them

atleast when i tried back in week 1 or 2

[raven shale]

btw is cape good in pvp

I know it's decent but is it better than glad back?

[spring bough]

100% use it. extra damage like 2% minimum and its 730 ilvl is higher than pvp ilvl 723 max cape, so more main stat and stam. and u can change the secondary stat on it to whatever u need

[raven shale]

I figured

Thanks boss

[spring bough]

1 cast KS for 9 milly on an ele feels so good lol

[sharp sierra]

It’s so funny when it hits I’ve had it out right kill someone as I’m kiting away😭

[outer sky]

Assa is so bad I may honestly have to reroll

I just lost a 2v2 to a sub rogue and they weren't even playing correctly

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/exaggeration-you-know-what-too-much-go-too-far-dramatic-gif-20365059

[sharp sierra]

How much crit are you running on your dh?

[outer sky]

I wish it were. You can ask most people here, I've doomed a lot. But its really bad rn

[sharp sierra]

Idk man outlaw is pretty fucking terrible

[outer sky]

Yeah but thats normal

[sharp sierra]

[spring bough]

like 18% or so

[outer sky]

Like i just lost this match to a sub rogue / holy priest and they didnt even play the comp correctly

They just got so many goes

Because my damage was too easily heal able

I really dislike this stamina change

And what really irritates me is that ill be doing damage to 3 targets and its the same amount of damage overall everyone else is doing to 1 target

Like how is that balanced

I swear if brains were dynamite these devs wouldn't have enough to blow their noses

[raven shale]

The problem with current pvp is that healers don't get punished for messing up

They can heal to full during chain stuns

It's kind of boring tbh

[spring bough]

bro i get people not using CC or not clearing CC off me. like my DPS got a decurse or dispell and i sit in a hex or poly the entire duration every single time

shits been frustrating out here. CC broken as fuck

[outer sky]

My prediction is that sometime next xpac they will make it so that pressing trinket triggers precog for healers

[raven shale]

That's the problem rly

You fix that and pvp is fixed

Shit is embarassing

A disc is able to play like a donkey and still win bcs they are literally impossible to out dps

[outer sky]

I dont mind there being a lot of CC. I have a problem with CC being so numerous AND so worthless at the same time that people 3x DR a stun just to stop a frostbolt cast. Like having a lot of CC is good when you need to use it strategically to kill someone. But having it just to be disruptive is toxic af gameplay

[spring bough]

https://youtu.be/YersIyzsOpc?si=rYKcrIyNE6xLzqRw

Anyone remember this? LOL

[daring plover]

are the boots off of Demon hunters to proc cape worht using in PVP

or is there some kind of giga nerf

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce what u think of this damage breakdown? just one round. i did 108mil ST. ele did 90mil ST. war did 92mil and BM somehow did 70mil. looks like this builds pretty decent that im rocking

boys i just tried this HO GSW vigor build with trickster and its is going crazy

[dark kernel]

Lol I thought GSW is dead

And vigor of all things?

Single vanish?

[outer sky]

i figured vigor would make a comeback with how strong coin is. It just gives you more flips since youre not as global starved

[spring bough]

i just got a 1.96mil pistol crit and it was apart of a FTH so it went for like 2.5mil lol

[spring bough]

im playing no supercharger rn

still getting 1.5mil crits on BTE as trick or fate even without supercharger lol

ambush critting as high as 855k with lethality and HH

[unique garnet]

idk why i que'd yesterday

[runic laurel]

I feel like it’s easy to lose perspective on what numbers are good, like that’s 5% of a health bar in a global if it crits

20 ambush crits and someone could die if they dc and the healer also dcs

[spring bough]

just hit the pvp dummy for a 1 milly crit

liking this build lol

2/2 lethality with Heavy Hitter and 1/2 vigor so i have more energy

[runic laurel]

That’s fair I just wanted to point out that the numbers don’t look too exciting

[molten hedge]

?????

[spring bough]

im kinda laughing cause i saw a new pin in outlaw channel about running loaded dice + sleight, and ive been doing that with my KIR build since week 1 for pvp lol

[grave basin]

pinned comment on outlaw pvp should just be a link to your murlok.io profile

[grave basin]

they remembered

[spring bough]

i feel like i have to wait it out....

[outer sky]

new build who dis

I will be playing this the rest of the season

[grave basin]

wtf

no deathmark build?

you moved literally one point and put it in MA?

[exotic dove]

Deathmark is useless in a lot of lobbies since evokers surv hunters ret pallies etc can easily remove it. It is better value just having all your dots not being removed

I literally did a 2200 challenge last season not pressing deathmark and ended up with a 60% winrate

unless you are fatebound that is

[dark kernel]

deathmark itself does like 1mil damage over 16 seconds

its like dog piss

i literally use deathmark to proc edgecase and flip coins

nothing else

or make someone just use a cooldown

[exotic dove]

Yeah if you are fatebound its useful

but if you arent you dont need to spec it

It actually wont lose you games not pressing it as Deathstalker

[grave basin]

I miss vendetta

[exotic dove]

Yeah I miss it too

[keen canopy]

how busted is frost mage right now

those damage buffs make glacial spike one shot or what i havent seen anything about frost today

but i read the changes and thought they could be busted

[exotic dove]

Past two games I been in game feels slower maybe its just placebo

and I havnet seen a frost mage yet

Also as Zicore mentioned above Deathstalker feels really good right now too

[wanton breach]

I wanna see your winrate of this across the different brackets

[sharp sierra]

no it doesnt one shot yet. However mages are regearing to mastery for it and hitting around 8 mil

[grave basin]

just feign death it Kappa

[fossil sierra]

4 set or na?

[dark kernel]

Ahh

Depression shuffle has restarted. This mode would not feel so awful if a night of loss wasn't 2 nights make up time

This is not a game for getting older.

[fossil sierra]

i've literally q'd into my 3rd ret double warrior lobby

i think im done

[exotic dove]

Im just going to crate farm on my Rogues to cap lol every shuffle lobby has a ret. I will just shuffle on my BM Hunter and diamond ice trap every ret on cd

for my amusement

I wish I had a double warrior lobby

that had no rets

[outer sky]

yep

[outer sky]

i mean i maybe win 1/100 games because of deathmark and only because i can press it to insta proc Sudden Demise.

and i probably would have won most of those games anyway

I just did 1 lobby with this build and went 5-1

[wanton breach]

fair, deathmark feels so awful to press

if the target isnt already within 30% max hp execute range

[grave basin]

I alrdy started doing this

Since last week

Just craft farming to cap and when inflation is higher then push 2.4

I'm not donating free cr to these piss paladins

[exotic dove]

yeah

not worth qing to give rets rating

with the exception of doing what I said before on a hunter lol

[grave basin]

I have nightmares of your diamond ice hunter

Seared into my memory

[exotic dove]

Yeah well all th erets have it now

or are going too

[grave basin]

I'm 90% sure there's only 1 more balancing patch left

Then it's gonna be all hands on deck for midnight alpha

[exotic dove]

nah there will be more cause tuning happens from AWC too

[grave basin]

Which should be coming soon

[exotic dove]

and AWC starts in a few weeks

[grave basin]

Idk the pessimism is at an all time high

If herald doesn't get touched this week it's actually joever

[exotic dove]

That happens when rets end up being everywhere and blizz does nothing. Like back in DF during the then Ret stupidity I took a nice break and did other games and watched some shows

[grave basin]

I remember reaching 2380 cr the night before .07 patch

And tanked to 2100 in one queue session

[exotic dove]

I have other stuff I can play dont get me wrong but when rets are op it is not fun no matter what I play

[grave basin]

And got my account silenced from calling these rets boosted apes

[exotic dove]

unless I troll them with diamond ice but even then that gets boring

after a while

[sick wasp]

mage is the answer to that

[exotic dove]

Not a mage player rather just crate farm and do other things tbh

then be miserable

[sick wasp]

personally im feeling dirty playing the most OP class in the game

doesnt matter the spec,just kill everyone coz AT exists in this game and rets cant rly do anything

u will see them on their horse running the same way they freedom the first nova to stun/wings you

[grave basin]

I just wait at the alter spot while my dps partner brainlessly attack him

Ofc he can always cancel alter but usually one DPS attacking you is enough to alter back

Been playing my uh DK so not sure if that's making me feel dirty or not lol

I gotta say having a ranged kick as melee in shuffle feels so fucking good

And uh DK has two

[sick wasp]

there is a factor to play iceform with 2 stunners btw,still cant stop him from casting a sheep on you and killing the other dps

[grave basin]

I've seen one person play iceform in my lobbies in two expansions

On my sub rogue

[sick wasp]

because there arent rly alot that are willing to sacrifice other stuff

but that is still a choice

[grave basin]

I mean snowdrift is so good

Ice wall

[sick wasp]

ye for sure

[grave basin]

3rd spot for op barrier

[sick wasp]

imagine pressing a trinket there,goodluck surviving

[grave basin]

Not much flex

[sick wasp]

barrier is whatever now

nerfed like 4 times

sd is very op to drop

[grave basin]

I see, haven't played mage this season

NGL shuffle feels like complete dog atm, I've been a key goblin for the first time

Usually by now I would have 8 1800 sets

But I can only tolerate so many Ret lobbies

[sick wasp]

yup its cringe,too many oneshots on top of the entire brawling

looks like a tarantino movie lul

[grave basin]

Hows the 5% stam buff feeling

I didn't queue after reset

[sick wasp]

[grave basin]

DK might be my new main if midnight doesn't improve sv's tree from a Pve standpoint

Frost dk is basically cold Ret atp

[sick wasp]

yeah and pumps hard

[grave basin]

Super smooth to play, short cd bursts

[sick wasp]

can rundown anything

[grave basin]

Unkillable too

[sick wasp]

yup

many Ws in my book

[grave basin]

And most importantly,

The tree isn't hard locked aoe/ST talents

I think the diff between full aoe and full st is like 1 talent

Meanwhile sv has to choose between pure pad spec or full ST

[sick wasp]

havent rly noticed their tree but couple homies into the DK kink for years say its solid,both frost and UH

[grave basin]

Anything in-between is double digit% grief

[grave basin]

11.2 reworked frost

Midnight is gonna rework unholy

But TBF looks like outlaw too

Midnight alpha when

[sick wasp]

[grave basin]

Need to decide what specs to bench

I'm hoping arms gets some love too

From a mechanical gameplay stand point

[sick wasp]

im playing rogue and mage for sure and will see if i try something else

maybe try priest

im an rmp gamer for sure 😛

[grave basin]

Reject setup cringe

Embrace the zug

Go with fury warrior / ww / ret

Never bubble

Always leap behind pillar and Los your healer

Leap + charge + fear first global

[manic steppe]

[grave basin]

[manic steppe]

had a guy do that not long ago and then he died 😄

[grave basin]

Yea then he said HEALS?????

[manic steppe]

maybe

i saw how he played the other rounds so i told my dh to just wait and i would bait him to other side of map and surely enough the guy leap charge's me and then he died

i could not stop laughing

[grave basin]

Heals????? Dogshit healer

[manic steppe]

[sick wasp]

joe fernandes vibes

love the dude

rage on top of your lungs as well to make it sound true

[grave basin]

Can't play warrior without raging tbf

[sick wasp]

based

[grave basin]

Perma stuck in roots

Never getting dispelled

Fighting against knock classes on Z axis maps

A gnome can only tolerate so much

[sick wasp]

fun fact : back on bfa we rbg'd and raided together,everyone on aritro's guild on ravencrest

bro was eating chips off stream and yapping with bicmex

fun days

[grave basin]

On a side note, hope they give rogues more group util

[sick wasp]

we never get anything,im resigned to my fate tbh

[grave basin]

Isn't shroud from like 13 years ago

And we didn't get anything after that

[sick wasp]

idk its been so long we kinda feel irrelevant to the game

yeah

[grave basin]

Atrophic poison?

[sick wasp]

assuming u play sin DTB yeah

[grave basin]

What does a rogue give a 5man group

Other than shroud which is now just an invis pot that you can buy

[sick wasp]

we are pretty

[grave basin]

Or meld

[sick wasp]

many stops

meld is unreliable

[grave basin]

Pickpocket

[sick wasp]

sap

a distract

mass blind

[grave basin]

Sap? This ain't classic

[sick wasp]

[grave basin]

Atleast you play mage that has 20 externals

So you got it good there

[sick wasp]

yeah

and its 10 times more fun

also everyone loves u

just because u exist

[grave basin]

You're also the best spec in the game (arcane)

In every content

[sick wasp]

pretty much

[grave basin]

Actually fucking wild

[sick wasp]

and everyone worships you

[grave basin]

Mages being blizzards love child since vanilla

[sick wasp]

its wild how i que'd keys on my mage at the start and got insta inv'd