pvp

[jaunty osprey]

and ya shadowlands model was insane

https://www.twitch.tv/cdewx/clip/TangibleCloudyHawkPeoplesChamp-wj7PHKhxsu4yOV8q

i love this game

[languid ravine]

DK almost survived two globals, we should nerf DK asap

better not take any chances

[outer sky]

wait wtf 3.3m kingsbane LOL

[grave basin]

I really wanna try 3s this season

[potent pivot]

First time?

[grave basin]

Any1 wanna thug with my sv

[outer sky]

yeah i usually get 2.2-2.7m

[grave basin]

[jaunty osprey]

when you use it

sub 35%

it hits harder

[grave basin]

How hard did it execute for in DF

I swear it was alrdy hitting in the millions before it got nerfed

[jaunty osprey]

34% to 0

in DF

with dance

as soon as someone hits sub 35%, you press your dance trinket kingsbane macro

[grave basin]

That was the most fun I've had on assa

[gleaming pawn]

CDew crying about an actual build and just how a class is right now saying y'all should be banned. While his bitch ass admitted to actually cheating to win Blizzcon cups

[jaunty osprey]

I just got a nice 200 CR inject in 10 games from playing with an Arcane Mage

[outer sky]

yeah it was functionally a 35% touch of death

[outer sky]

oh i know that evoker he's good

not good enough though it seems

[jaunty osprey]

oh yeah, he's a nice guy

tried to help him get r1 in season 1 of this xpac

he's one of the better aggro healers

[grave basin]

Is Ronnie playing turbo or did he give up on the enhance dream

And play thunder

[jaunty osprey]

turbo

there's a new enhance build that bigdam showed him

and it has a 1 shot cheese

[grave basin]

Bigdam is a totemic enjoyer

Idk I can't wrap my head around that many binds

[grave basin]

I just default to the tempest build

[jaunty osprey]

ya

it's tempest now

[grave basin]

Tempest build is more intuitive to enhance I feel

[jaunty osprey]

feels like the good old windfury days

[grave basin]

Even though you're trading all your consistent for 1 shots

It's so predictable though

Like everyone's raid horns are blaring AND your opponent can hear the bloodlust sound

Works well in shuffle though

[languid ravine]

until it doesnt

[outer sky]

you just disarm it

[grave basin]

Sticky tar bomb from ranged 💣

[outer sky]

is Nessper playing WoW again?

[exotic dove]

If this is anyone in here nothing personal just capping

Ran into another Assa Rogue

You guys think they will nerf fatebound again?

[outer sky]

probably not

it doesnt seem OP at all

i dont even play it

[glass hazel]

tell this to 7m shadow arrow lol

1.5m haha

[exotic dove]

Sounds good I still play Deathstalker as well just switching it up depending on my mood

[outer sky]

like im sure its good but its not "this needs a nerf" good

but i also havent played it with 4 set

how much CDR are KB and DM actually getting with 4 set?

[exotic dove]

This is what the set does with the pvp reductions

[outer sky]

yeah

but how often does that trigger

[exotic dove]

but I would say 40-45 second kingsbanes

not bad tbh

I have four set

[stoic spruce]

3s queue time is so long

3 freaking minutes

[exotic dove]

Doing skirms for the weekly I had kingsbane up twice in 1:25

but had a lot of uptiem too

but its a skirm so take that as you will I go by my original statement in shuffle 2s and 3s of it being an average of 40-45 second for your Kingsbane cd

[outer sky]

hmmm

[exotic dove]

If you have a lock on your team and its getting trained and you have more freedom than it could be lower

like in that skirm I did

but 40-45 seconds is my average in shuffle 2s and 3s right now

[outer sky]

ok so 2 roughly every 90s

idk i'll have to try it myself

[jaunty osprey]

it'll likely

only proc ONCE

every time you have deathmark and kingsbane up

for assa in pvp tbh

you dont get that many 7+ coin streaks

as assa and especially in pvp

[potent pivot]

you can get it to proc with just CB/IE

[jaunty osprey]

I've been playing it all day

[outer sky]

so youre saying 4 set is basically useless

[jaunty osprey]

not useless

press KB and coldblood

guarantees you 4 flips

[outer sky]

i mean if it only procs once then its 10s off DM which is whatever, then 5s off KB

[jaunty osprey]

well once for kingsbane

cause that's what he was talking about

but you can get deathmark reduced by 20s

[potent pivot]

the 4set can also double proc

ye

[outer sky]

idk about DM. I love how they couldnt just nerf out set by 50% like everyone elses. Its nerfed by fucking 2/3rds

my god

[jaunty osprey]

everyones is

33%

[potent pivot]

ye all of them are

[outer sky]

is it?

[jaunty osprey]

yes

[outer sky]

well i'm still mad about it

[potent pivot]

but

they made all tier sets like 200% stronger this season

[jaunty osprey]

it's because tier is so strong

[potent pivot]

so it's 100% warranted

[jaunty osprey]

all you need is the effect it gives

[potent pivot]

usually tier sets are worth like 8-10% dps

this season's sets are worth more like 20-30%

[grim forum]

is there a recent pvp guide for Sin rogue?

like with openers and such?

[jaunty osprey]

like fatebound assa is unplayable without making deathmark proc an extra edgeflip and making KB also proc 2x edge flips

the effects are so strong, that the effectiveness doesnt matter

[knotty ruin]

Is PvP still being pissed on by Blizzard?

[potent pivot]

you can learn how to do damage on wowhead or iceyveins. openers are situational

[jaunty osprey]

always

!guide

[lethal roost]

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Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides

[outer sky]

deathstalker 4 set doesnt seem very strong unless i'm missing something huge

[jaunty osprey]

read rotation section in whispyr's wowhead guide

learn when to use finishers

[jaunty osprey]

deathstalker 4set is mega

shiv consumes a stack

[outer sky]

explain

[potent pivot]

you get more darkest night envenoms

because shiv consumes a Mark

[outer sky]

yeah doesn't sound that great

[potent pivot]

it is

[jaunty osprey]

"feelycraft"

[potent pivot]

popping marks does damage, DN envenoms do damage

rotating through both of those things faster, is more damage

[outer sky]

i almost never kill somebody with an envenom i usually press it and their health doesn't even move so anything tied to envenom seems meh

[potent pivot]

you can hit 2-3m envenoms

[jaunty osprey]

maybe it's just your playstyle idk

[potent pivot]

easily

[outer sky]

i'd love to be wrong though

[jaunty osprey]

i can get 5m envenoms

with darkest night

[outer sky]

supercharger?

[jaunty osprey]

no

shiv darkest night

press envenom

[outer sky]

the biggest envenom ive ever seen in arena so far this season was 3.5m

i have no idea how youre getting 5m

one problem I have i think is that I usually end up letting the darkest night buff expire

i just cant find the time to press a 7 cp envenom during the duration of that buff

a lot of the time

so it expires and my mark falls off

[jaunty osprey]

read the wowhead guide too

!guide

[lethal roost]

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Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides

[jaunty osprey]

if you have darkest night up

the prio is to consume it

over doing anything else

ALWAYS

[digital zodiac]

do we get catalyst charge this week?

[outer sky]

yes

[jaunty osprey]

next week

[outer sky]

oh right

im fried

[jaunty osprey]

September 9

[digital zodiac]

🫡 im buying trinket then

[outer sky]

i have brain fog from spamming shuffles where the ret afks to 6-0

[digital zodiac]

completely understandable

[outer sky]

stupid spec

like its at a point where if i see a ret ever not 6-0 I assume they must have some kind of brain eating bacterial infection because how could you ever not 6-0 playing that shit

[languid ravine]

you need to force lucky coin spending vanish(!) in the opener or something to guarantee getting the CDR

[jaunty osprey]

you dont need to spend vanish

to force a lucky coin

i'll break it down for you

[outer sky]

yeah thats too much work

[potent pivot]

[languid ravine]

maybe I mixed it up

too much pve

[grave basin]

are you using a weak aura to track the buff?

[languid ravine]

hurts my brain

[outer sky]

yes

[potent pivot]

its incorrect anyway

[grave basin]

i mean you have 30 seconds to do 1 7pt envenom

[jaunty osprey]

garrote - rupture = 1 coin
build CP -> shiv -> deathmark = +2 coins -- 3 total
kingsbane = +2 coins -- 5 total
cold blood envenom = +1 coin - 6 total
cold blood envenom = +1 coin - 7 total

[grave basin]

that's a long way to say ->opener from stealth -> DM -> CB+KB lol

[digital zodiac]

the rupture would give 2 no? cuz double jeopardy

[jaunty osprey]

@outer sky

[languid ravine]

one day I ll read my hero talents

[jaunty osprey]

5.2M

envenom

just logged on to test

[potent pivot]

ye

[jaunty osprey]

oh yeah lol

[potent pivot]

you can also use CB/KB/vanish to go for more procs

[grave basin]

i swear doing pve content is goated for actually forcing you to read your talents

like youll do tank damage if you dont know what youre doing

so it forces you to actually learn how to do dam

[languid ravine]

in single target all I do is wait for envenom pandemics and thats it

[jaunty osprey]

no lucky coin?

[grave basin]

why would you pendemic envenom though

[potent pivot]

in pve they do that sometimes

[grave basin]

you alrdy can have 2x envenom up

[potent pivot]

_>

depends on build right

[jaunty osprey]

11 procs

no lucky coin

great game

🙂

[outer sky]

says 3.14m

[jaunty osprey]

can you not read

overkill

[grave basin]

2m overkill

[jaunty osprey]

in combat logs you add overkill to the damage

[outer sky]

ah didnt know that

well i sure aint getting those

[languid ravine]

try waiting with other finishers after 7 coins

its bugged in PvE too

[jaunty osprey]

i mean

[languid ravine]

dont get the set bonus 90% of the time

[jaunty osprey]

im literally waiting

im in stealth

im at 11 stacks

not 7, not 8, not 9, not 10

[potent pivot]

don't you just love WoW

[outer sky]

ngl if i do go FB i'd probably just macro CB to KB and use it as a pseudo Touch of Death

[potent pivot]

you kinda need to run the CB+envenom talent

you can still macro it, but it'll only apply to the subsequent envenoms

[jaunty osprey]

assuming they want to play it properly -- so many rogues still dont run the CB envenom

for some reason

[outer sky]

yeah ive done that

i dont really understand the concept

of what its trying to do

[potent pivot]

ye i noticed that the week blizz fixed their API.but more ppl are catching on

[digital zodiac]

deny modernity embrace tradition go back to monky

[potent pivot]

some guy put out a video with a COOKED build and people were using it

[outer sky]

and theres all this weird shit

[potent pivot]

it was even using improved poisons

[jaunty osprey]

im using

improved poisons

over CT

[languid ravine]

It ll probably take me longer to unlearn bleeds build than to get gladiator this season coz I ve played it for two years xd

[outer sky]

"sit in stealth then open then vanish and KB+CB then count backwards from 100 in intervals of 3 while doing the dishes"

[potent pivot]

no shot

[jaunty osprey]

yes

so

if you press CB

[potent pivot]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[jaunty osprey]

i mean

if you press KB

and it procs wound poison

the wound poison will also flip a coin

[languid ravine]

shhhh dont tell blizzard they might never fix it

[grave basin]

im 68% sure this was pika's build

[potent pivot]

its +5% proc chance

[grave basin]

week 1

[potent pivot]

its dogshit

[jaunty osprey]

i dont press CT as fatebound really

[potent pivot]

probably

[grave basin]

i think i was the one who linked it

[jaunty osprey]

like 0 globals with the way it plays out in arena

[grave basin]

💀

[digital zodiac]

real

[jaunty osprey]

especially since you dont have deeper streat

ruptures fall off so much faster

but idk none of that matters

[languid ravine]

because the damage is off the charts

?

[grave basin]

so what do you do between kingsbane goes?

[jaunty osprey]

no because as long as the foundation is correct

[grave basin]

just do no damage?

[outer sky]

nothing lol thats the problem

[jaunty osprey]

then u can do whatever

[grave basin]

you cant even vanish cause you need the coin for your kingsbane go

so idk you just hold?

unless you just send it in the opener

[jaunty osprey]

good thing this game isnt played 1v3

but you dont need to send vanish for your go

[grave basin]

what does that have to do with vanish

[jaunty osprey]

why would you press vanish

[grave basin]

then youll not get the full coin stack

no?

[jaunty osprey]

just stop trying to 100-0 someone

and send your damage when they're 60%

instead

it's like when people kidney shot someone

when they're 100% hp

like just wait 2 seconds and they'll be lower for your go

[gleaming pawn]

You get it during the DM+KB go, and the stack stays unless you’re out of combat for 10–15, don’t remember

You don’t lose your lucky coin stack unless you hard reset

[digital zodiac]

dont think is possible to run out lucky coin on 3s

[outer sky]

what does this look like when done successfully

tbh i dont really understand the entire concept of the fatebound coin

[jaunty osprey]

lmao just testing around

kingsbane procced 2 coins

woundpoison from kingsbane procced another coin

and

3 focusing lens procced from all the wound poisons and kingsbane

[outer sky]

why does this require the CB Envenom talent

[jaunty osprey]

because

just read it

[outer sky]

ive read it like 100 times

[jaunty osprey]

press cold blood envenom after an edge flip

[outer sky]

so both envenoms will proc both coins

[jaunty osprey]

correct

so

you're forcing HIGH STACK tails flips

from a guaranteed crit

envenom

[outer sky]

ok so it would be really bad to kingsbane>reapply rupture>envenom

[jaunty osprey]

yes

i highly suggest you read

a pve guide

for the 10000th time

[digital zodiac]

you never enter burst without garrote and rupture primed up

[jaunty osprey]

in your kingsbane window, you want to pump out as many envenoms as you are able to

in PVP, you want to send kingsbane when you have at least FOUR combo points

that way you can cold blood envenom right away right after

[gleaming pawn]

Inevitable end/Double Jeopardy is also giving you high stacks of straight AGI % along with the tails coin damage. You lose a ton of damage if you mess up the KB window

[jaunty osprey]

so dont press deathmark -> kingsbane -> cold blood envenom

unless you're at 4 CP or higher

[languid ravine]

With Inevitable End talented you can even keep using your old CB Kingsbane macro

[jaunty osprey]

all that should be covered in !guide

!guide

[lethal roost]

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[outer sky]

yeah i got that

[jaunty osprey]

Just keep in mind as Fatebound, you’re not trying to do the most DPS

You’re trying to do DPS when it matters

Deathstalker you’re trying to pad/parse

[languid ravine]

Deathstalker for life gaaaaaaaaang

[jaunty osprey]

Corrupt the blood, singular focus and etc are hitting HARD with tier

[languid ravine]

singular focus hitting for 1% overall in PvE :d

[outer sky]

im obviously missing something. I'm trying it now and i just send KB and dump my envenoms and it doesnt even feel like its doing anything

[grave basin]

it's bugged

[jaunty osprey]

Ya, the bug with Splatter 🙁

[grave basin]

caustic doesnt funnel back

which is fucking massive

im playing pve for the first time this season, what was it doing pre bug?

as a % of overall

[daring plover]

depends on key, 15-20% would be pretty normal

[outer sky]

no no no no this is absolute garbage. I just sent Shiv>CB>Trinket>Tea>Kingsbane>Envenom and the envenom hit for 1.8m into no defensives yeah no thanks

[jaunty osprey]

Idk, something is definitely wrong for you cause I was hitting 2.5M envenoms (not including the coin flips)

2 weeks ago

[outer sky]

i did what everyone said

full bleeds into that rotation

[grave basin]

serious? it's that badly bugged?

[outer sky]

i like this a lot better using KB as a ToD

[grave basin]

that's freaking insane LMAO that's like spec breakingly bad

[outer sky]

all in 1 global. That seems way better than whatever everyone else is trying to do

[grave basin]

youre right, nerf FB again

shiv no longer affects FB coin damage

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah but the other way you’re taking them from 60% or higher hp to 0 in effectively 1s

1s before death is kingsbane with 2 coins then a sub 35% hp CRIT envenom with a coin at 0s before death

You can surely play it however you want, but one way is definitely more optimal than holding a button until an opponent is sub 35%

[gleaming pawn]

@jaunty osprey have you tried a more single target focused Fatebound build? I'm in no means doing high end pvp right now, but this build has been a lot of fun messing around with my friends. Caustic sends KB/Envenom damage around you and the target as well as any coins proc damage. It can add up and means I don't miss CT in the slightest

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

It’s trash

Caustic range is too tiny

[grave basin]

Caustic in PvP sounds horrendous

[jaunty osprey]

in pvp with movement

And with this build

your bleeds do 0 damage

[grave basin]

No CT why even play caustic tbh

[jaunty osprey]

and most healers can just dispel your poisons

[gleaming pawn]

CT has nothing to do with caustic at all

[grave basin]

Yea but the point is to pad

[jaunty osprey]

Nah

Caustic is for

[grave basin]

If not CT doesn't do anything

[jaunty osprey]

spreading the

Envenom damage

[grave basin]

Yea that's pad

[jaunty osprey]

If you hit a

[grave basin]

I know what CT is

[jaunty osprey]

200M envenom

and you caustic it

It’ll kill someone else around you

[grave basin]

[jaunty osprey]

Especially with fate intertwined or whatever

but ya, tried it out and theorycrafted it a lil

in pvp it just isnt too viable

[grave basin]

I'm just saying youd always play both together since theyre accomplishing the same thing

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey is there some condition i need to make sure ive met before pressing KB besides just having bleeds up?

[jaunty osprey]

Not worth taking sudden demise (which buffs bleed damage) and not taking the left side of assa tree btw which makes shiv buff bleed damage

[jaunty osprey]

If you’re playing it how it’s supposed to

[gleaming pawn]

when you're playing in the 1800ish range, people stack up and kingsbane into envenoms can translate to meaningful instant damage, instead of what CT accomlishes most of the time. It's not ideal by any means, but they serve two different purposes

[jaunty osprey]

so dont press deathmark -> kingsbane -> cold blood envenom

UNLESS you’re at 4 CP or higher

if deathmark isnt up, obviously exclude it

[gleaming pawn]

you should have envenomed in the last 8ish seconds too for the most poison procs/KB stacks. But it's not required

[jaunty osprey]

in any case, you want to press shiv -> CDS (thistle tea, pvp trinket, DEATHMARK IF U HAVE IT UP) -> kingsbane -> cold blood envenom

those exact globals

[outer sky]

yeah im doing that and its tickling them

[jaunty osprey]

ya idk then

[grave basin]

Yea but I'm saying that damage isn't meaningful lol

Youd have to have so much uptime for it to matter at all

As opposed to IB which just rolls when you rupture /kidney

[outer sky]

DMd you

[grave basin]

Did he give you the secret sauce

[outer sky]

Anyone want to tell me what I'm doing wrong? I got bleeds up, got combo points, then sent shiv, kingbane along with all the off GCD stuff, Cold Blood, Envenom and it didn't do shit. 1.8m envenom. Man got to like 50% but it took way longer than 1 global

[grave basin]

You used a finisher

And tossed the coin instead of banking it

No?

[digital zodiac]

nvm

[grave basin]

When you used the first rupture from stealth you alrdy used a coin there instead of pooling it for the big DM shiv CB envenom

I might be wrong

[digital zodiac]

nah cuz the rupture wasnt with enough combo points to throw the coin

[outer sky]

3cp rupture

[digital zodiac]

You need 5 or more to drop it he did 3

[vocal surge]

^

[grave basin]

I'll stick to DS

Press ambush

Turn off brain

[outer sky]

Yeah this seems like total garbage

[potent pivot]

[digital zodiac]

what im kinda seeing is that with double jeopardy and kingsbane u shouldve dropped 4 coins and u got 3

[outer sky]

Regardless, if i can only do the pop fresh from a stealth window and I can't use any finishers in between then its too scripted to be useful in a dynamic setting like an arena

[grave basin]

But why didn't you deathmark though

[potent pivot]

take the time to actually understand what needs to happen

before you write something off

[digital zodiac]

i mean, on casters u could do garrote-> ambush -> rupture -> cheap -> burst

[grave basin]

Did you even DM?

[outer sky]

I did not DM

[grave basin]

Doesn't DM cause you to flip a coin...

[digital zodiac]

2

[grave basin]

Sounds important

[outer sky]

It procs edge case

[grave basin]

[outer sky]

So this can only be done once every death mark, and you have to rely on no enemy CDs being used after pressing deathmark and kingsbane?

[digital zodiac]

with the setup u do 2 from DJ, 2 from DM, 2 from kingsbane, 2 from the envenoms

[outer sky]

So it works on training dummies?

[grave basin]

Try and record again but with DM this time

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

I mean not flipping two more coins is kinda troll

[outer sky]

Ivan said it was almost a 1 shot in the span of 1 global. KB and Envenom

So thats what i pressed

[digital zodiac]

the initial setup is to get lucky coin, the rest of the burst windows is just stack the most coins u can

[outer sky]

"You need to use every CD you have and hopefully the other team doesn't react than you can maybe kill someone in 3 or 4 globals if they're already at like half health"

[potent pivot]

[digital zodiac]

ye if u kidney bomb someone into the burst at half hp that mf long gone

[outer sky]

Unless it gets linked, domed, tranq'd, revivaled

[digital zodiac]

thats the point of pvp... you do windows to waste those cds

[outer sky]

Like I get thats a win con

But you can kill someone in a bomb without this

And actually do damage

The rest of the game

Idk im just saying building the entire spec around 1 all in pop every 2m just doesnt sound good but what do I know

[stoic spruce]

dk is hella fun

[potent pivot]

i disagree with the 'building the entire spec around it'

[stoic spruce]

busting fools left and right

[potent pivot]

like running improved poisons and shit like that just sounds troll imo

[grave basin]

My DK is alrdy crate farming

[potent pivot]

can still play damn near the same bleed build, and just maximize coin damage

like there's barely a difference

[outer sky]

I notice a substantial drop in rot pressure

And bleeds need to be reapplied more often

So you spend more globals on bleeds that do less damage

[potent pivot]

sure but at least your bleeds do decent damage inbetween pops

you don't have deathstalker's passive damage, that's all

just coin dmg

[outer sky]

And your rupture and CT do 5% less damage each

It all adds up

[potent pivot]

worth the ST/burst

[stoic spruce]

its so great playing a spec that doesnt actively work against you

[digital zodiac]

my question is, why do you want passive damage on an enviroment where you decide wins on stun windows

[grave basin]

it's not like deathstalker has zero burst

shived darkest night envenoms can do 3m

and with DS tier set youre going through marks pretty fast

[outer sky]

But what burst? Did you watch my clip? That was everything besides deathmark and the guy took like no damage

Ivan said it was 60-0 in 1 global

[digital zodiac]

idk how u manage to do 300k dps with that imma be real 💀

[potent pivot]

ye but its not on as 'on demand'

[grave basin]

sure

[potent pivot]

yeah, it was done incorrectly

[outer sky]

Was the incorrect part just not pressing DM?

[grave basin]

isnt that like a DK not pressing abom

and wondering where dam

[potent pivot]

when not doing a DM go you really need your rupture to be 5+

[outer sky]

Why

[grave basin]

do you think frost is gonna get sent to hell in pve

[outer sky]

It does the same amount of damage per tick

[digital zodiac]

you didnt get double jeopardy and didnt DM thats 4 coins gone

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter

[outer sky]

Spending more CPs just makes it last longer

[potent pivot]

it's not about the rupture damage man

you're not procing a coin with it if its less than 5

so you're not gaining a double jeopardy flip off rip

[outer sky]

I asked "what do i need to do before pressing kingsbane?" And multiple answers were "have bleeds up and at least 4 combo points". And that is what i did in that clip

[potent pivot]

i'm gonna lose my mind

[digital zodiac]

do this exactly: garrote -> ambush -> rupture -> cheapshot -> shiv -> deathmark -> kingsbane/CB -> envenom

and try

[languid ravine]

[grave basin]

if you dont get 5pc in your opener rup

you dont flip the coin

if you dont flip the coin

[digital zodiac]

i got 4m opener on that rotation i just said

[grave basin]

you dont proc double jeapordy

@potent pivot correct ?

or fake news

[potent pivot]

sorta but its of the same concept ye

you want to proc DJ with the rupture

otherwise you're delaying it until your first envenom, which already has benefits from CB

[digital zodiac]

i think this actually overlaps it

[potent pivot]

so i don't even know if you're ABLE to proc DJ properly late

or if you start munching your own procs doing it incorrectly

[digital zodiac]

if u do CB on the double jeopardy the IE takes prio u flip 1 coin instead of 2

[gusty hedge]

happens on outlaw too. no lucky coin after 7+ stacks sometimes. also sometimes wont even proc lucky coin damage if u have lucky coin and are above 7+ stacks, fatebound is a bit buggy

[outer sky]

This seems really complicated

[potent pivot]

you said the same thing about deathstalker

a season or two ago

[outer sky]

Did i?

[potent pivot]

yes

[outer sky]

Deathstalker is just 1 global

[potent pivot]

its really easy once you learn it

even easier than deathstalker tbh

[languid ravine]

-get coin
-play super basic rotation

[digital zodiac]

ye on deathstalker setting up DN takes more effort

[languid ravine]

no mark tracking, no darkest night, no shiv set bonus

[outer sky]

Wait why can't you just proc DJ with kingsbane? That way it would flip a ton of coins

[potent pivot]

not sure you even can

if something already has a special effect to make it proc more, it very well could just munch procs

[outer sky]

Well KB flips a coin so if thats your first flip out of stealth it should also proc DJ, no?

[languid ravine]

I m going to sleep

right now

and scream when I wake up

maybe before that

even

gnight

[digital zodiac]

if 1 button flipped 4 edge cases there would be an emergency meeting at blizzard

[outer sky]

Thats how it reads lol

[stoic spruce]

not really

[potent pivot]

either way

your spending 2 globals and not getting any flips out of them

[digital zodiac]

[potent pivot]

you should be able to guarantee 6 flips just from rupt(DJ)->KB+CB->Env->Env

[digital zodiac]

if its not ragebait, im just saying, edge cases and inevitable end are not notmal coins they dont count for the Hand Of Fate FIRST node in the tree logic

[outer sky]

So kidney is 5s.

1s for the kidney global
1s to bomb
1s to mutilate
1s to mutilate again if you didn't crit
1s for shiv
1s for deathmark
1s for KB
1s for envenom

[digital zodiac]

zicore

why you do this to me zicore

[outer sky]

So at most 8s, but if you omit the bomb and deathmark and you crit you can get it down to 5

[digital zodiac]

do you have garrote talents slotted?

[outer sky]

Well yeah but that would mean id need to commit vanish to this whole event as well

[digital zodiac]

and why wouldnt you

are you saving it for the next round

[outer sky]

Thats REALLY all in. Like now if you dont kill there you've got nothing left

[digital zodiac]

you literally use vanish offensively for garrote dmg amp and silence

feint is ur defensive cd

and u have 2 of them

[grave basin]

i think he means nothing left offensively

lol

but kinda moot anyway cause vanish is alrdy used during your goes

[digital zodiac]

and why wouldnt you throw everything offensively on a burst

[grave basin]

so it's like what are you holding for

[outer sky]

Well you do more goes than you have vanishes so not always

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

and are the goes without vanish as potent as the ones with vanish?

from only you ofc

it's the same thing

youre just amping your damage more

[digital zodiac]

rogue is not warrior man, you do instances of burst out of that you just survive until you get ur DR and CDs back

[grave basin]

idk whats there to argue here

[outer sky]

I know. So you kidney someone, now you have no combo points because you've spent them on a kidney. So to satisfy that requirement Ivan stated, you use most of the kidney building back up

[potent pivot]

you can also kidney at 7

then you only need to mut once

like

[outer sky]

You dont have 7

You're not playing DS

[potent pivot]

ye true

but idk

you're like

[digital zodiac]

u can bomb -> kidney -> vanish -> garrote -> shiv -> deathmark -> kingsbane -> CB/envenom

[potent pivot]

trying to poke holes

for no reason

it obviously works for others

[outer sky]

Arite

[daring plover]

Im really enjoying FB over DS. Working around mark feels so bad.

and going from a 2min spec to 45+1.5 feels real nice.

[grave basin]

so theyre gonna pull a shadowlands and let two specs just completely dominate from day 1?

while they work on the next expac

[daring plover]

does anyone have any videos breaking down big coin dam opportunities for PVP?

[stoic spruce]

I dont think theyre not gonna get nerfed, I just dont think itll get gutted

[grave basin]

if they dont get gutted then the people who alrdy farmed high keys with those specs arent gonna switch classes right

[stoic spruce]

honestly a lot of specs are kinda underperforming and should be brought up

[grave basin]

theyre just gonna respec unholy

[stoic spruce]

fdk really isnt that overbearing

it def will get the hammer in pvp though

fdk never lasts

[potent pivot]

not any good ones really

can read back the past hour or two, we were discussing it a bunch

[indigo hill]

Hope ret pala gets the 75% nerf it needs.

[digital zodiac]

ngl with hows it going im guessing they dont give it importance cuz its like 30% of the pop and that would make a loud majority not complain

and they also like the direction of making it pve cleave dampening simulator to make it accessible due to the lack of ppl playing pvp

[grave basin]

There's actually no shot Ret doesn't get tuned down

If the meta is not changing everyone would just reroll pink class

More than they already are

[stoic spruce]

theyve done 0 tuning since patch launch and monday was labor day

they def got some nerfs and buffs in the oven

[spring bough]

DH about to get buffed calling it now

[tight hill]

I suspect DH might dodge big nerfs and become best melee after ret and dk nerfs.

I hope they don’t nuke sv to hard

Think they’ll buff anything? Maybe feral

[jaunty osprey]

Yo I just woke up

but like

??????

you do know that you can press buttons without pressing kidney shot right?

Or you can cheap shot so you don’t spend all your CP on your go

meld cheapshot or something

You should 100000% save at least one vanish or meld for Deathmark goes

And you’ll still have 2 vanishes or 1 meld and 1 vanish left for the rest of the game that isn’t synced with DM to do whatever

[sharp sierra]

Lowkey happy for SV it’s had a rough run

DH… I can live with. Pally doesn’t just need a damage nerf. It needs bubble nerf. Nobody else can attack during a full immune it’s wack that they can in a PvP setting

[spring bough]

I can aoe stun now without combo points 🔥

[sharp sierra]

Arcane mage next?

[spring bough]

I’ll never play caster. Never

[sharp sierra]

[spring bough]

And in 21 years of Warcraft I’ve never healed unless it was dpsing as fistweaver 😂

[keen canopy]

disc priest is fun

speaking of

[dark kernel]

I will take any priest over any paladin

[jaunty osprey]

[jolly sierra]

they were shit in shadowlands for a long time i think

they were just mana leeching machines like hpals

[gleaming pawn]

I really don’t want to hop on the DH train, but I really might have to in Midnight and abuse the void spec while it’s op as hell

[jolly sierra]

i hate dhs

i wont do it tbh

[dark kernel]

I always wonder if I spent time playing another class if I'd jump ship

Dh WW and arms are always tempting

[gleaming sentinel]

1 tricking is a recipe for sadness unless you’re a god gamer with god gamer connections. Prob best to learn 2 specs at least on a pure dps class

[keen canopy]

ill swap mains if the DH spec void effects are consistently the more black and blue cosmic void effect (like the Voidweaver tree for shadowpriest) and not the purple effects (like the rest of shadow priest abilties)

[sharp sierra]

Bro it’s 2s it’s how it’s always been. Disc is amazing at low CR then by the time it’s higher MW absolutely shits on it

Actually I’m just happy Rdruid isnt meta for 2s like it’s been for generations fucking tired of that brainless class

[wooden sage]

@sharp sierra Scrub

[spring bough]

Do it now. It’s life changing. Just hitting your reaver glaive into empowered chaos strike and death sweep feels so fking amazing

[sharp sierra]

WHY ARE YOU HERE

[jolly sierra]

wtf

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-blob-gif-23105869

[wooden sage]

Rune is my boyfriend

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/exaggeration-you-know-what-too-much-go-too-far-dramatic-gif-20365059

[jolly sierra]

congratz, when the wedding will be?

[wooden sage]

This weekend you are invited

[jolly sierra]

thank you

[manic steppe]

so when is the melee classes getting nerfed

[spring bough]

We waiting until midnight I guess

[digital zodiac]

midnight we will be complaining about range dh

[sharp sierra]

oh boy another 25 mid range spec

[grave pier]

For Sub Rogue do u not play subterfuge in RMP?

[pliant lintel]

nah

[digital zodiac]

u dont need it for cc if thats ur concern, u can just dance

[grave pier]

aight, giving sub another go 😄

[digital zodiac]

would play on 2s and situationally on shuffle not for subterfuge but for the extra defensive

[runic laurel]

If they press beam 5 times on cd with no interrupts it’ll take 4 minutes right? If they kick a few casts with cdr then it can easily happen in a 3:30 window, that seems right

The boomkin doesn’t have to wait until 45 seconds to use the first beam though. 1: 0s 2: 45s 3: 90s 4: 135s 5: 180s that’s 5 beams in 3 minutes if used exactly on cd and used to kick

did they cast 5 times or silence 5 people?

oh i see u were silenced 5 times

yeah idk then

[jade hollow]

can someone pleaseee link me the best outlaw guide for rotation and stuff as it relates to pvp?

[spring bough]

It’s lookin sick on my rogue with warglaives

[pliant lintel]

There isn’t a rotation for PvP I can give you a priority spell list though if that helps

[jade hollow]

im getting complaints that my damage is low, so please do haha :D

[pliant lintel]

Tbf you can basically follow ‘pve rotation’ it plays the same basically

Roll the bones (you want shark or coin ideally) > Between the eyes > dispatch with 5 or more combo points > Pistol shot with opportunity proc > Ambush with Audacity proc > Sinister strike > pistol shot

don't pistol shot with opportunity proc if you already have an audacity proc, during subterfuge you can between the eyes with 5 combo points

that's the bread and butter

[formal pebble]

I normally stop at 1800 for elite set, but this season's enchant is gonna make me actually go for it

[jade hollow]

how much dps should i be doing? is it normal to be lower than your teammates?

[pliant lintel]

fuck all

basically

it's normal to be low dps on outlaw unless you are omega padding with bladeflurry and enemy players don't have their keyboards plugged in

[spring bough]

Depends on the lobby. Probably 800k-1.5mil or something around there as an overall avg. it’ll go up or down depending on coin procs

[spring bough]

Dont none of yall drag me. But if you got Hekili and followed it pretty closely you’ll do just fine. It gives you a decent rotation to pump

Then eventually just drop hekili cause I’ll have the basic rotation down

[pliant lintel]

don't press AR until you are literally about to open either so you can proc coins

[acoustic junco]

just play trickster and live the easier life

[pliant lintel]

yea then you have 0 burst

[spring bough]

Not really. The coup rules with double coup and when to hold stuff makes my brain hurt

Fatebound is more or less. Is adrenaline up? Yes. Is vanishing up? Nah 45 seconds till CD. Then hold adrenaline for vanish. Pretty much it lol

Or is vanish up? Yes. Adrenaline 45 seconds till CD then save vanish

[jade hollow]

you wouldnt vanish without AR?

cuz then ive been doing something wrong

[pliant lintel]

ya that's a big nono

[spring bough]

Depends on the cooldown time for adrenaline. If vanish is up and it’s 2min before adrenaline just vanish

[pliant lintel]

i mean if you are forced to to peel or you are going to die then it is what it is

or if you are going to reset ar or vanish next gcd

[jade hollow]

do you guys have low energy (not when using AR)? but like throughout the game

or am i doing something wrong

[pliant lintel]

yea if you get unlucky with procs

or have shitty uptime

[spring bough]

Yes you’ll have low energy without AR and you will notice it if u have bad uptime

You wanna watch your adrenaline buff and make sure you maximize your subterfuge windows to keep it up as long as u can. But CC will fuck that goal up 9/10 times and you just need to roll with it

Just remember that stealth/subterfuge extends adrenaline and the timer doesn’t tick on the buff while either stealth or subterfuge are active

[gleaming sentinel]

The outlaw dps rules bro… 🫠

[dark kernel]

Just do dam

If you aren't doing dam just don't die

[gleaming pawn]

All the pvp only people finally realizing that knowing how to do your “pve” rotation has always been important, cracks me up

[dark kernel]

It wasn't a thing until dragonflight

[sharp sierra]

a bit confused by this

[dark kernel]

It just makes the stealth sight last longer and that's MoP 2v2 only

[sharp sierra]

oh oh

thanks

[gleaming sentinel]

Solo shuffle is m+, the biggest criticism of the game mode is the over importance of just spamming damage over setups etc

[pliant lintel]

tbf knowing how to do damage has always been important

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea totally

Idk who ever thought it wasn’t

[digital zodiac]

dampening gaming

[sharp sierra]

okay im back to outlaw rogue for the day lets see how many games before i rage quit

[digital zodiac]

this was the beggining of the apocalypse

[dark kernel]

And crit damage adjustment

[digital zodiac]

solo shuffle plagued with braindead cleave and 2s plagued with healer/dps 🥀

[languid ravine]

always has been

[languid ravine]

this was a good change you can play MoP classic if you prefer 30 seconds cc chains

[digital zodiac]

up until shadowlands nah

afterwards

doom and despair

[languid ravine]

ok havent played shadowlands I hear good things about it

[pliant lintel]

shadowlands was a good expansion

[languid ravine]

I can say this much the quests were far more interesting just the campaigns stuff

never cared less for the story than in TWW

not even dragonflight

[digital zodiac]

this just brought pve gameplay in pvp

not a fan at all but to each its own

[pliant lintel]

wym bro didn't you love the bee quest chain?!

[spring bough]

Knowing when to hit that one CC before the big burst and GG win the game

[grave pier]

Is there a WA like there is for BTE when ur Evis resets on Sub?

[spring bough]

Bring me back to double legendary days

[pliant lintel]

made so much gold selling 2100 2's boost in shadowlands

rip

[gleaming sentinel]

Garrote garrote garrote cheap kidney

[digital zodiac]

if shadowlands didnt release on covid it couldve been crazy

[jolly sierra]

fucking worst expansion overall

[potent pivot]

You can track shadow techniques/shadowcraft stacks

[pliant lintel]

nahh that was wod haha

[jolly sierra]

wod was decent, just lacked content

shadowlands had A LOT and was awful

[potent pivot]

SL was the best expansion of recent years

[jolly sierra]

that was legion

SL was bad af

[potent pivot]

No

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

Recent years

Does not mean legion

[digital zodiac]

legion indeed better, but shadowlands def better than wod

[jolly sierra]

tbh liked DF more

[potent pivot]

PvP has been worse since the end of SL idk

[jolly sierra]

SL was bad af, they abused borrowed power, you had a lot of intentional delay w anima in delivering, one season was legit dead

[jolly sierra]

nah

was awful in SL

u had s1

with both pve andys abusing gearing

and lit quick 1 shots

[digital zodiac]

i wouldnt buy the concept of "borrowed power" cuz now they dont make cool shit even if its temporary

[jolly sierra]

covenants were meta, not by own preference

u had scaled gear for barely s2

[potent pivot]

I disagree

100%

[jolly sierra]

dude i still recall when in shadowlands was a fkn circus

in pvp matters

at least in DF u had a lot of scheduled fixes

also the fkn conduit system

u needed 2k4 to be optimal

and buy the big ones

[potent pivot]

That doesn’t change that pvp became “pve plus micro cc” in DF

[jolly sierra]

that was just a small thing

in sl you were able to be lit 1 shotted by a lot of means

as i said, covenants were awful

[pliant lintel]

basically got the same thing now with hero talents tho no?

[jolly sierra]

conduit upgrades too

[potent pivot]

And you can’t get one shot now? Or in DF? Come on lol

[digital zodiac]

nzoth corruptions are as bland as unseasoned chicken, same with the circe circlet, the delve belt and all the trinkets in the game all cuz of the borrowed power concept

[jolly sierra]

nah

u can switch easily

in SL you needed a lot to switch earlier

[jolly sierra]

nope, not in the way SL was

[potent pivot]

If you ask most of the high rated players they will say pvp has gone even more downhill since the end of SL

[pliant lintel]

agreed

[jolly sierra]

u had convoke, ER + hunter's mark and duel

[digital zodiac]

have you seen arcane mage

[jolly sierra]

u had double tap

[pliant lintel]

convoke was the ultimate noob slayer

[jolly sierra]

arcane is mangeable

xd

[pliant lintel]

for people that cant kick

[jolly sierra]

earlier

u can use it from stealth

[digital zodiac]

arcane mage can one shot you in like 1 global if he sets up the bs

[jolly sierra]

never saw one doing that

xd

[potent pivot]

Idk imo shit has become too brainless

[digital zodiac]

palumor just dropped a compilation + guide on it 💀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhD0i2uH_G8

[jolly sierra]

well, i've never seen one doing that xd

in this season

[pliant lintel]

that's because all the fotm re rollers don't under stand their missles need to finish landing before they press flux

[potent pivot]

Now people can just dps and cc brainlessly and can still get decent rating which is kinda cringe

[jolly sierra]

SL was fkn braindead too i recall

[potent pivot]

Nah

[jolly sierra]

priests used the kyrian skill

and were able to do full dmg

same as a dps

[potent pivot]

Every season has outliers

[jolly sierra]

warriors just deleted with both a dk with abom limb and spear

[potent pivot]

In SL comps could do actual set ups and win through proper skill

If your only argument is the outliers it falls flat

[jolly sierra]

.

[potent pivot]

Because there will always be outliers

[jolly sierra]

dks were able to pull out anybody from stealth w the abomination

dunno was dumb af

and quite efficient

[potent pivot]

There’s almost always multiple stealth breaks

[digital zodiac]

that was a bug with the pet no?

same with monk with the tiger

[jolly sierra]

no

was intended

it ended being nerfed

[digital zodiac]

then monk was the bugged one

[jolly sierra]

in sl i recall random stealth stuckness too

[digital zodiac]

when cloak in shadows was an actual thing

i will never understand the appeal of wanting to pve in pvp tho like whats the excitement of hitting a target dummy for 5 min until someone dies or runs out of mana

like yeah setup comps were dominant as fuck but it was hella hard to play properly it made it actually exciting to execute

[jolly sierra]

in s1 u had a lot of glads boosting pve andies

because the high ranked gear was better than mythic one in pve

[digital zodiac]

2s with healer is also sooooo exciting you just see 2 mfs hitting each others healer and healers just perma kiting until someone dies

[jolly sierra]

ye i recall that

the kyrian priest was dumb af

in a go u were killed

if u had no trinket

[grave pier]

@pliant lintel do i need Slice and Dice maintained in Pvp for assas?

[jolly sierra]

no

[potent pivot]

yes but you don't press it

[jolly sierra]

its auto

[digital zodiac]

you dont even need to bind it, it automaticall aplies on evenom

[grave pier]

aight

[jolly sierra]

u do envenom

and it triggers

[grave pier]

ok im just lacking dmg now

and idk why

[potent pivot]

envenom applies SnD

[pliant lintel]

this

[potent pivot]

coin is very low

[digital zodiac]

the coin dmg is crying

[jolly sierra]

dude

send a vod

and we will finish once per all almost all your doubts

just do it

[pliant lintel]

are you pressing finishers below 5 combo points?

[digital zodiac]

do you have poisons applied?

[pliant lintel]

^

haha

[jolly sierra]

just send a VOD

[pliant lintel]

yea @grave pier can you get a vod im happy to give a few pointers

[digital zodiac]

not seeing envenom or poisons in the damage meter is suspect

[pliant lintel]

i seen you tried sub earlier as well so i guess that didn't go too well?

[jolly sierra]

tbh

[grave pier]

im swapping between sub and assas

tryna find a groove

[jolly sierra]

we always have a learning player between seasons

we had hyper, then merek

xd

[jolly sierra]

VOD

[grave pier]

yes

where can i upload the vod?

or just a quick replay

[pliant lintel]

In this game did your mage perma sheep off your bleeds and you had to reapply them so that explains the lack of envenoms?

[jolly sierra]

here

we will watch it

and see what could be wrong

[grave pier]

i have an OBS replay saver, i am guessing i can just drag it here

[jolly sierra]

maybe

[grave pier]

i'll see if it works

[potent pivot]

if the problem right now is damage, this can be solved without a vod review

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

go through and read this

click Fatebound on any of the buttons

if you take a bit to go through and read the guide, you will understand how to do damage on the spec

[grave pier]

i guess this is to do damage

[potent pivot]

yes

[grave pier]

but in the openner i am starting by sapping healer and cheap shotting both targets

[potent pivot]

right now i don't think that matters

you can still toss a vod if you want, thats fine

but learning how to dps on a new spec is kinda important

[jolly sierra]

just send the VOD

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

if it goes bad

try the 1 button rotation meanwhile

but we need to do the full overview with the VOD, else will be "what does X, why X doesnt do anything?"

[potent pivot]

thats why i just linked the guide

can learn how the spec is supposed to work at a base level without all the rigamarole

[jolly sierra]

hmmmm

i am curious what is he doing exactly

ngl

yesterday he said

he used blind at start

at the very start, always

[grave pier]

tryna upload

but there is file limit

[potent pivot]

ye i mean vods n stuff are fine for looking at cc/defensives

[jolly sierra]

YouTube

[potent pivot]

but there's definitely dps problems happening

[jolly sierra]

and link private link

[grave pier]

ok let me upload u tube and i'll link here

[jolly sierra]

k

[spring bough]

in a 1400 mmr blitz on the DH and not one word has been said on whose FC and whole team is fighting mid lol

[jolly sierra]

ironically the 1 button rotation could assist with a low dps issue meanwhile

a lock reached 2k4 at blitz just using it

[potent pivot]

[digital zodiac]

ye but that doesnt fix the issue itself

[potent pivot]

yeah lets just not even learn anything

[chrome schooner]

also the 1 button rotation is especially bad on classes that are meant to hit keys every 1s

[potent pivot]

its basically -30% dps or more

[digital zodiac]

has delay and doesnt use burst cds

[jolly sierra]

it doesnt?

[potent pivot]

no

[pliant lintel]

That’s not a bad thing to do though there’s quite a few games I blind in opener it’s all situational

[jolly sierra]

i see, and most ppl is happy using it according to feedback wtf

[jolly sierra]

the thing is

"always"

[spring bough]

i might have the absolte worst team i have ever been on in twin peaks like im flabbergasted at whats going on

i just had 3 of my teammates run by me and let me die with the flag lol

[jolly sierra]

i had an hpal at 2k mmr with no idea what a bop is

some days ago

[digital zodiac]

so real

[spring bough]

bro this shit was wild. i was up to the ramp. my disc was near me. EFC ran past me and the disc went to him while i have like 5 enemy on me

[jolly sierra]

literally i've checked the aura tracking

no bop
no loh

[spring bough]

this is comical idek how to play this lol

2/3 enemy team and my whole team is in their base and not 1 has picked flag

[pliant lintel]

Don’t placement games start at 2k mmr though?

[jolly sierra]

no

it does starts at 1k6 tho

when i joined w new alts was like that

[pliant lintel]

Ahh thought it was 2k even so you could get 2 lucky games and be at 2k+ mmr?

[jolly sierra]

my ret started w less this season too

[digital zodiac]

happened to me before at this point i have trust issues

[sharp sierra]

am i cucking myself if i get sword with conq token weapons for outlaw

i lowkey really want that transmog lmao

really hate how outlaw is hard to spec too after gearing sin

[potent pivot]

you either wait for uncapped conquest or make a 2nd rogue

[digital zodiac]

make a new rogue

at some point in my life i had like 5

[spring bough]

the worst part is i cant even talk to these bozos... some dude mass reported me for comms the same day he mass reported me for inappropriate name on Vancleef. so frustrating lol

[sharp sierra]

does wb count xp if i go alliance?

[digital zodiac]

ye

[sharp sierra]

im not terribly geared on rogue

jst have two set

rings/neclk craft was wasted tho

[potent pivot]

how so

[digital zodiac]

i honestly thought about rolling another rogue just cuz i crafted the wrong piece 💀

im stuck with haste boots for being a dumbass

[pliant lintel]

I have sword on my outlaw rogue

[potent pivot]

you can just recraft the stats on pieces

[digital zodiac]

is not the stats is the slot

[potent pivot]

so if you're rings/neck are wrong stats, just recraft

[potent pivot]

didn't mean you

:p

[digital zodiac]

[chrome schooner]

how do you end up "stuck with haste boots"

[digital zodiac]

you craft the wrong slot and end up having to buy the bloody token ones

[sharp sierra]

ah okay havent done that yet

[chrome schooner]

i mean then you can just play honor crafted ones

[sharp sierra]

where im sitting now

[chrome schooner]

it's not like - 10 ilvl or w.e one ONE slot is going to change the outcome of any match

[sharp sierra]

just farming crates

so sword is a throw?

[digital zodiac]

i just went for max ilvl cuz of agi idk

could do that

[digital zodiac]

nightborne?

[pliant lintel]

No

[sharp sierra]

i wish

jk yes

sorry i refuse to go alliance but soon i will xD

[sharp sierra]

W

[digital zodiac]

im also nightborne lol

[pliant lintel]

Just make sure you’re at 19.5 haste in PvP then go into crit

[sharp sierra]

i get sad everytime i see a NE rogue

i loved my undead rogue but the transmogs started annoying me lol

[digital zodiac]

ye the hunchback does mess with the mogs a lot

i like nightborne standing pose better than NE, makes the shoulders look more natural and they also remind me of the drow

[spring bough]

just 1 round lol

[digital zodiac]

bro got a prot pally in there ☠️

[spring bough]

this disc is so bad bro 0-6 inc for him lol

0 dispells all lobby its brutal

[sharp sierra]

my thoughts too haha

although its time for NE

im gonna wait and see if midnight does anything to racials and if not ill do my first alliance swap

[digital zodiac]

you also got 1 of the mages that @jolly sierra was saying are not yet acquinted with the one shot incidents

[digital zodiac]

meld is def a tempting offer

[pliant lintel]

The ones that never fake cast get kicked on arcane 24/7 and complain melee have way to much mobility?

[sharp sierra]

lowkey can i do double 1 handers instead of a dagger?

[grave pier]

@potent pivot @jolly sierra, at the end of our playthrough. Quite defeated...hopefully we can learn something here cuz i'm clueless now:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12Mz3tsxaRCnikfDFTMw3tNeI6Bv0p7q7/view?usp=sharing

[pliant lintel]

Nahh you want dagger for energy regen

[sharp sierra]

damn okay