pvp

[spring bough]

DH >>>

why is there always a leaver today

[dark kernel]

Reeee

[outer sky]

they really need to change Mending Bandage to require the channell to finish for it to actually remove all the bleeds

[spring bough]

that or give us physical cloak back

[outer sky]

never gunna happen

[unique garnet]

[spring bough]

i can get used to this. overall for a 5-1 lol

2.3mil death sweeps, 2mil felblades, 4.5mil hunts lol

[languid ravine]

300k pistol shots 200k sabre slashes

[spring bough]

man i hate no win dps leavers and losing rating cause of it

ret with 0 wins just took the -150

[jolly sierra]

i got 2 Ls in a row today xddd

just because a 6-0 sham and other guy doing average dps as dpriest

[spring bough]

-5 rating cause the ret couldnt take 6 Ls lol

[gleaming sentinel]

insane lucky streak, or im an assa gamer now

[spring bough]

DH so much easier to control a kill. line up some buffs. hit a CC. and BOOM someone dropping lol

aoe stun GG

[gleaming sentinel]

Non sneaky rogue bro

[spring bough]

warglaive rogue

[grave basin]

somehow more edgy rogue

if they really follow through and get rid of wounds i might main UH dk going into midnight ngl

[outer sky]

how much y'all wanna bet the new DH spec gets a bleed cleanse

[gleaming pawn]

probably, their voidy fires burn away all debuffs

[exotic dove]

Its fine Ill just play sub and kill them in stuns like I have for many seasons now lol

[sharp sierra]

im having fun with it but clawing shadows gets old real fast

doing arcane rn cxause i miss mobility lol

[grave basin]

Cs is just a ranged spender

How does it get old

[polar socket]

is our pvp burst like normal we do in raid?

like shiv vanish dm kb envenom envenom?

[outer sky]

don't script vanish in pvp

[polar socket]

why not 😄

[outer sky]

because it gives you access to a ton of CC and breaks your snares/roots so you want to reserve it for that utility

[polar socket]

AHH

it does make sense

one more thing

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-chan-one-more-thing-jackie-chan-jackie-jackie-chan-adventure-gif-15699811

[polar socket]

should i try to burst like a monkey right at the start?

like im playing sub

as i know most of the time in low rank you can burst like a monkey i just wanna know does it also works with assa?

[outer sky]

"like shiv vanish dm kb envenom envenom?"

Sub doesn't have 3 of those abilities. Are you sure you're playing sub?

[polar socket]

im trying assassin *

😄

so is it like playing sub

bad english 😄

[outer sky]

no its not like playing sub at all

[polar socket]

so i have to start gentely and bait them to waste defensives

and then KB DM?

[outer sky]

i wouldn't say "bait"

[polar socket]

😭

[outer sky]

just make sure you have your bleeds rolling

then you send CDs in a CC set up

[polar socket]

like full bleed the guy

[outer sky]

yes

[polar socket]

and hows the cc set up?

cheap shot into kidney?

or kidney into cheap shot? or just a kidney for healer?

fk im so dumb

[outer sky]

don't over think it

we're not playing sub

[polar socket]

then kidney the target?

[outer sky]

it doesnt even matter

[polar socket]

then..

[outer sky]

ideally just get some CC on the healer

[polar socket]

what about cc set up?..

[polar socket]

ahhh

so blind is enough

[outer sky]

blind or kidney or gouge or even garrote

you just want to give them something to trinket

[polar socket]

got it

[outer sky]

can even watch for your teammates CC on them

[polar socket]

i know this one

idk last season

i randomly decided to play pvp

and reached 2k in 4 match

i guess i was lucky

now i want elite this season too

[outer sky]

if you want 2.4 as assass

its easy

I'm not saying this is the "best" way to do things

but this is how I got 2550 on day 2 of the season

[polar socket]

lol even 2.4? damn

[outer sky]

2.4 is elite

this is what I did. Don't play kingsbane.Play the AoE rot spec build

and all you do

literally

is run around spamming bleeds

thats it

you can unbind Blind

thatll get you 2.4

pretty easily

[polar socket]

WTF

[outer sky]

dont think too much dont get too fancy

[polar socket]

sanguine blades?

instead of kb?

[outer sky]

you should always play sanguine blades

[polar socket]

im playing with a disaster then

i just checked murlok

[outer sky]

this is what I play every match

this will get you 2.4 and you dont have to CC anything

you just spam bleeds

and shit dies

[polar socket]

OH even playing deathstalker

lol

[outer sky]

correct

again i'm not saying its optimal but if you want to turn your brain off and get Elite as fast as you can just play this and bleed everything and gg

[polar socket]

got it

😄

and when DM?

i mean

[outer sky]

it doesnt matter

[polar socket]

who to DM actualy

im just cleaving everyone

[outer sky]

whoever you want

[polar socket]

wtf

this is the most brain off rogue playstyle ive ever seen

[outer sky]

yep

[edgy vine]

holy

I might give that a try

[grave basin]

assa deathstalker feels really good can confirm

after the first 3 lobbies as FB i went back to DS and havent swapped off

just feels more consistent and less cheese

[grave basin]

ok atleast i know it isnt me

brawler spec btw that does the least damage and can never connect

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

Hes up to losing 5 lobbies in a row now

The suffering must continue

[jade hollow]

if i blind someone, can i sap them after?

[harsh kiln]

depends if they leave combat or not

if you stun first, blind 2nd then you can sap if they sit all of it

if you only blind you can only sap if they fail to use a button 1 second b4 blind or 1 second after blind

[jade hollow]

thanks so much

[untold hare]

Is there any guide for outlaw pvp ?

[jade hollow]

havent been able to find any of high quality unforch :(

whaazz sometimes streams outlaw

[potent pivot]

can learn how to do damage from #outlaw-faq or wowhead

for cc/defensives you mostly have to learn through practice etc

[worthy wing]

yo i think i wanna hit 1.8k in shuffle on sub this ssn

i know pve sub now, but pvp feels hella different

anyone got like videos or so for sub for shuffle that could help?

[untold hare]

https://youtu.be/kYM7CFcSdos?si=EXBsW5mWbma2FhfH

[untold hare]

Did check icy veins pvp guide idk if there is different from wowhead guide

[potent pivot]

prolly doesn't matter that much

idk how up to date IV pvp stuff is

[noble venture]

they call me the hard stuck

this is my season i feel it

[edgy vine]

@outer sky BRO

your build is so fucking good

[untold hare]

How u hard stuck for 6 seasons at 2399 💔

[noble venture]

Skill issue

lol

I haven't put the time into pushing 2400 seriously, it isn't very fun in 2v2

Probably will just solo shuffle it

[dark moon]

Depends if you keep an eye on the target prior to blind. I usually wait if they haven't made any casts for a couple of seconds and blind mid cast so they drop combat most of the time during blind.

[spring bough]

That’s the face of a man highly disappointed in this game lol

Bro should just reroll DH or DK like the rest of us

[grave basin]

i am officially

a fotm whore

[spring bough]

Inc nerfs

[grave basin]

yea as soon as i roll a fotm it gets nerfed

[dark moon]

So in other words you're enjoying the game now. Congrats

[spring bough]

Game is fun when you can hit your buffs. Rip one CC. Press your damage and boom someone’s dead

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s funny even going to assa from outlaw, I just feel stronger

I been playing with ankle weights and a weight vest on

[pliant lintel]

assa is boring though

imo

[gleaming sentinel]

All relative I guess

[grave basin]

im actually playing the game instead of being spam declined in resume simulator

[dark moon]

That too

[waxen meteor]

they are not conflict

I run both, but no Bone to 2.4+ too, I don't think it's that much of a deal

I like a little bit more burst anyway, bone spike just plays a bit too plain to me

[edgy vine]

I need some help with assa's DS bleed build without KB

Do you just pool your energy always?

To keep up the sanguinated blades buff

Or whatever its called that duplicates your bleeds

[pliant lintel]

don't press mutilate 👍

but yea i mean you should be pooling energy as assa regardless of spec

[edgy vine]

So just perma keep it above 250 eh?

150*

Guess i was playing it wrong

I spam mutilate like an ape

[pliant lintel]

yea but don't prioritise it just keep a mental note

[edgy vine]

Kk ty

I swear sub is harder to play but feels less confusing XD

Maybe recency bias

Havent touched sub this ssn

[pliant lintel]

sub isn't 'hard' the hard bit about it is being clever and knowing/using your toolkit, if somebody messes stun DR's you're kinda screwed over big time though

the meta rn isn't in subs favour either which is why you don't really see it

you don't really do enough damage to carry games either, it's much better in 3v3 tho

[spring bough]

Bout to spam these timewalks get that PHAT hero level piece later

[waxen meteor]

sub is 'hard' because you need to always stay a couple of steps ahead, in term of what's happening, what will happen, to plan/position to execute

in term of 'execute - keyboard work' itself, it's not that complicated

what's annoying is your teammate can actually nerf you in SS, that really hurt

[edgy vine]

yea

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure if you play in 2.8+ lobby if it's still the case

but in most of my lobbies, people kept sending random shit DR to save the target who is 99% dead in next go

it happened so frequently with hunter/warrior and DH as your teammate

instant blood pressure issue

[dark moon]

Tried sub couple of times in s1 and s2 in tww and i know im not a ninja, but i am not playing sub again there unless it 2 shots for 3 days before its nerfed. Those 2k lobbies are demonic

[waxen meteor]

Sometimes people don't care

I think my first 3 lobbies (18 games) this season with fairly high MMR, I was able to sap like only 3 times, they all rode to other people's face

Then it became normal somehow

[dark moon]

Sap is out of the question if you're not outlaw I think

[pliant lintel]

wouldn't say people don't care they just don't know how to play with a sub rogue, shockwave stormbolt binding shot etc all have longer CD's so when they normally press it it's off stun DR

[waxen meteor]

It's a joint of both

Some don't know

Some don't care

[pliant lintel]

• you can play a ret paladin rn and not press anything and hit 2k atm haha

[waxen meteor]

Like playing with Stun DR might be 'I do not know'

but if you play in 2.4+ you don't know condition of sap, it's unlikely to be real

Playing sub is like really, target is like 50-60% ish HP and off stun DR in 3 seconds, you know he is dead in 3 sec (especially in seasons with duel)

there would be some dumb ass just sending a 1 second (1/4) stun on that dude to save him

[digital zodiac]

the fact the majority of the % is ret/warriors/dks that just know how to play pve and decide matches on who`s healer slips first is what makes the whole "setup" playstyle tough

[waxen meteor]

ret stun not on healer is very dumb

[digital zodiac]

like ive not played a single comp so far that is not a form of braindead cleave

[waxen meteor]

sitting in HoJ for full 5 sec feels dumber

[digital zodiac]

ask them what is a kick you put their brain on overdrive

[waxen meteor]

as of today, if you only pve as ret, you are still not bad.

[jolly sierra]

but guys tell me, what is first, final veredict or wake of ashes in their burst fueling?

[waxen meteor]

final veredict is more a spender right?

[pliant lintel]

wake of ashes gives wings proc

[waxen meteor]

I normally uses the combo points first anyway before wake of ashes

I wouldn't wake of ashes with max combo points

[jolly sierra]

my bad

the aoe

[digital zodiac]

final reckoning?

[jolly sierra]

the one they uses to raise dmg

that one

[waxen meteor]

you do reckoning first

[jolly sierra]

yeah that imagined lol, sometimes its dangerous af to have it in mouseover lol

[waxen meteor]

I used it in mouseover in the past

I don't anymore

pressing it is not a big issue

[jolly sierra]

i use it because i dont wanna the green circle step and just toss it at once tbh

[waxen meteor]

yeah but it's very easy to go wrong tbh

I generally dropped all mouseovers

[digital zodiac]

i could never, at least on ground targetting abilities

on some is actually better to drop it tho

[waxen meteor]

Sometimes it's not that easy to locate the cursor...

[jolly sierra]

in mop for example

[waxen meteor]

It's not that much a effort to click the range anyway..

[jolly sierra]

tossing the hammer of light with green circle

sometimes ends with it on mid air

wtf

[waxen meteor]

and honestly you want the final recknoing to hit more people sometimes

[jolly sierra]

well i think i can spare the green circle

[waxen meteor]

using mouseover just not that accurate sometimes to me

[pliant lintel]

you could just [@cursor] if you know the reticle size

[waxen meteor]

that's the problem

I think in most cases I know roughly where my cursor is, but i don't know exactly where it is

and to place the small cursor at correct position very carefully before hitting keyboard

I'd rather just... confirm with a much bigger visual

[digital zodiac]

on normal cast u can benefit from the clamp to max range thing, makes so u dont have to actually aim for hook/leap etc

[jolly sierra]

sometimes ye i indeed casted it badly

and wasted the spell

can admit

[waxen meteor]

if you pull your camera distance very far, you can cast on top of some pillar too

[pliant lintel]

think it's just down the practise though i've always used @cursor for hook so it transitions over kinda

[waxen meteor]

that's realy dumb too

[spring bough]

Same. Random nameplates just coming across at the wrong time and interrupt or stun goes in the wrong target

I’ll click a nameplate and tab back or tab quickly thru

[waxen meteor]

😂 I am playing in 12.0 mode anyway, I am too old shcool

[jolly sierra]

the thing i dont regret using with cursor

its ring of peace

[spring bough]

Only use focus macros for healers now with things like the DH banish

[jolly sierra]

i always use it well

[spring bough]

Just play DH. Aoe stun and fear what mouse over needed 😂

[jolly sierra]

maybe its cuz i use it at close distance

[waxen meteor]

I do, and I manual select...

[jolly sierra]

day 5

[waxen meteor]

There used to be a talent on DH to drop the circle center with the target

and I was so shocked people actually picked it passing through an entire useless talent

[pliant lintel]

tbh playing hunter actually conditioned my mouse movement

[waxen meteor]

and then when that talent was removed, DHs were panicing

I was shocked again, I honestly thought I missed something for very long

[spring bough]

I’m gonna be a DH maxi all season. Just watch them get buffed somehow like season 1 or 2 when they were strong and got them 😂

[waxen meteor]

I thought I was going to hit 2.1 beginning of season easily and dropped the DH alt, but somehow I still haven't after like 120 games (like 20 lobbies already)

Ret was the opposite story, didn't want to start, but set looks cool, and it seems good, started without plan, winning left and right easily...

[spring bough]

I think my DH is at like 70 games and already hit 1950 lol

My rogues at like 350 and I can’t get back to 2300

[waxen meteor]

my DH been swimming in 1950-2070 range for last week

I sort of just wanted to put away that alt...

I don't feel anyway outplayed me, but I just couldn't win the rets

[spring bough]

I need gloves for four set on the DH. Second I get home doing LFR to try and secure them. Four set seems baller for DH

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah, i sort of don't care about alt's tier

I will tier my boot in main rogue on the other hand lol

[spring bough]

Four set gives more slashes from blade dance or something like that like 12. Sounds so ridiculous

[waxen meteor]

I got 3 tier from vault

[waxen meteor]

yeah but it's actually 9 in arena

[spring bough]

Highest hitting ability getting more slashes. GG

9 is still absurd when 1 slash can do like 2.5mil

[waxen meteor]

and you already hits 6

[spring bough]

Plus the elite set looks 🔥

[waxen meteor]

I think one thing for the blade dance thing, according to DHs, only the last hit matters

all other hits don't do much dmg

but anyway, it should be a solid 4 tier set

[sharp sierra]

@spring bough per my usual alt-a-holic nature I capped out my arcane mage in like 4 hours

Was farming sparks and hit a fucking 9 mil crit on a paladin and watched him fall over before he even had a chance to react I might have a new main 😭

[waxen meteor]

Arcane mage is a bit confusing to me.
Do you use the missiles or the barrel after the 40% dmg buffer?

[spring bough]

Boys this new fel illusion from legion remix is 🔥

[sharp sierra]

You talking about the nether ability?

[spring bough]

So much fun going from outlaw to something that can one shot

[waxen meteor]

what is that

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/embrace-the-fel-with-a-new-weapon-illusion-in-legion-remix-378372

[waxen meteor]

I think so, I forgot the skill name, the pvp talent

[spring bough]

One of the best illusions I have ever seen

[sharp sierra]

Because with nether you use it on the spam ability to hit for like 4mil every time

[waxen meteor]

that changes the touch of magi or sth to an instant buffer

[sharp sierra]

Then with 2nd and 3rd buff you can hit it 4mil like 4 times in a row if you’re lucky

Like what an outlaw rogue should fucking feel like.

Seriously arcane mage is like outlaw when EVERYTHING lines up randomly

Expect it actually kills 😭

[spring bough]

They better give us mage tower artifact wep recolors as a surprise last minute thing like “hey we know we said no butttttt we did it anyway”

[sharp sierra]

Do you guys think it’s too late to farm darkfuze? I never see any groups for it :/

[sharp sierra]

Yup the pvp ability

To be fair I kinda use it on both missiles and barage

[spring bough]

Yes everyone moved on lol

We missed the super easy farm now it’s all trash pile farms 😭

[sharp sierra]

Fuckkkkk

Wonder low long it’ll take doing an hour a day for it

[spring bough]

Might still be a few groups here n there

[spring bough]

You need like what 40k market research? It takes quite a few hours

[sharp sierra]

Boutta throw in chat “100k gold for a tank with time”

[spring bough]

8.4K research from 0 to exalted**

[edgy vine]

Shouldve done it during the extra rep week

[spring bough]

Yeah that cut it in half and you only needed 4.2k then. So right now it would probably take like 12+ hours 😂

[sharp sierra]

Well shit

[viral heart]

I think it took me 16 hours

[waxen meteor]

16 hours for a mog?

[viral heart]

Yeah for the coat

[spring bough]

But it’s cool

Oh and if u don’t have the black tuxedo pants well ur gonna have to wait for a holiday event to get them to go with the coat lol

[sharp sierra]

[spring bough]

Just found out this event, Noblegarden, doesn’t happen again until April 6-13, 2026 😭

[jolly sierra]

i fkn hate noblegarden

blizz brought a fkn mount with very low drop rate from a daily

[waxen meteor]

sort of everything gets counted towards Atonement right?

It looks like this priest just offensing whole game

I am more willing to remove healer

so we can queue and play lol

haha yeah game mode has to be reworked of course

[sharp sierra]

Yeah I’m just gonna pay gold for it

For the darkfuse

[digital zodiac]

make cc great again

[sharp sierra]

I got black pants anyways

[spring bough]

They should just rework it so every class can tank heal and DPS

That priest just dpsing and auto healing lmaooooo

[waxen meteor]

Yeah full time healer requirement seems a bit dated for modern games

and it seems to be the bottleneck for years

Imagine a less than 3 mins queue for rated arena

[digital zodiac]

would rogue heal u by stabbing you with not evil poisons

medical shiv

[waxen meteor]

vanish/stealth should heal you 2% per second

and in a 3s dps game, we can sit 50 secs for 100% but obviously all teammates are dead

[digital zodiac]

soothing darkness my beloved

[waxen meteor]

the 29 minutes queue time only for a healer is a bit annoying

the wow player base is not young, not a lot of 30 minutes time to wait for queue

Even 1on1

I got the tradition and wow prime for 3s with healer

but the fact is now 80% of the players just sit in queue and do nothing for 30 minutes before they can play a game

[digital zodiac]

i might be evil but i lowkey i want the broken cloak in shadows back, the one that let u stealth with dots on

[waxen meteor]

that's just not how games are being played noadays

[waxen meteor]

tbh, vanish and forced to appear within 3 seconds cause of dot dmg makes no sense to me at all, especially everyone and their mother has 213291 auto dots now

should be immune to dots dmg for 5-7 seconds (or get the vanish shield of sub by default)

[spring bough]

Soothing an aoe that envelops all allies within 100yards and bestows healing

[digital zodiac]

indeed, but i get the impression that if rogues get fun, other classes hate it and blizzard cant let that slip

[waxen meteor]

Like always

20 years of gaming, still getting one shot by rogues

[hybrid palm]

Why are some sub rogues running offhand fist weapon? Is it for the correct stats?

[waxen meteor]

For the additional mastery

[hybrid palm]

Ya thanks

[digital zodiac]

but
ret is fine

[waxen meteor]

pfff

outlaw < aug

[digital zodiac]

rogue had like 1 week being op on fatebound before they called on emergency meeting

[waxen meteor]

and ret seems to be very good end of expansion everytime?

and have best tier set visual design

[digital zodiac]

1 week of fatebound being op and they pulled the plug INSTANTLY but surv/mm hunt, ret, arcane even warrior pulling off ungodly burst is finneeeeee

[gleaming sentinel]

Supatease actually had a pretty good take in recent clickbait list I mean tier list

On outlaw

[digital zodiac]

[pliant lintel]

this is my favourite - sort but burst damage

[potent pivot]

Would not recommend doing that ever

[digital zodiac]

ye u want attack speed for shadow techniques and being able to respec to assas if u get depressed

[molten hedge]

Any degens been able to test 4 set assa

[pliant lintel]

yes, found it was more benefical with DS than fatebound honestly wouldn't bother getting 4 set tho

[spring bough]

5 days and HOTFIXED. Like WTF blizz. When have they ever hotfixed tuning for any other class besides rogue 🤦‍♂️

DH was broken S1 or S2…. We were all waiting for nerfs and they got like a 5% increase instead. Blizz just hates rogues I am convinced. They bring us down cause they don’t want us to play it so they don’t have to rework it. I’m convinced

[spring bough]

Bro prob still mad he couldn’t get past duelist last season on his outlaw lol

[dark moon]

he could not? hahaha

[waxen meteor]

I am probably one of the rare that does like to watch the tier list lol

even when i disagree with them, it's fun to watch the drama hah

[sharp sierra]

i mean outlaw is dogshit

[waxen meteor]

I tend to play a couple of new specs every season, I normally mixed with what i wanted to try and what seems to be good from tier list

[sharp sierra]

its just a cc bot

[hybrid palm]

yup yup, but was just curious why

[sharp sierra]

they give outlaw two bubbles and take it away from ret and its good 👍

[digital zodiac]

i mean yeah, historically, rogue has always been the "no fun allowed" class and when rogues are happy, everyone is annoyed. Ppl apparently dont care if a ret presses 2 buttons and erases you from existence while being immune, running you down on a horse and all from range, they care about the rogue pressing 10 buttons deleting you after executing an immaculate setup

[gleaming pawn]

I’ve been accused of being hyperbolic, but seriously the devs in charge of pvp balance must have suffered too many STV ganks by Rogues back on the day. No other explanation for the nerf hammer hot and ready for Rogue at every turn, and all of the “rules for thee and not for me” that punishes Rogues and leaves others with no changes

[spring bough]

Damn I hit some buttons with that post lol

[sharp sierra]

paladins and dh are the kiriko of WoW

[waxen meteor]

For shadow techniques

[spring bough]

Immaculate setup is right. Know how hard it is to lineup an adrenaline, ghostly, and vanish in the same window in a solo? And we get punished for that 😭

Like omg I’m sorry I setup abilities that get buffed from the talents they gave us sorry for using my toolkit….. “damn rogues 33% nerfs”

[digital zodiac]

you be thinking imma sap this, open this, cheapshot that, kidney this, bomb, focus resap, focus blind balbalbabla and the warrior is thinking about what he gonna eat after he runs down mounted after gates open

[sharp sierra]

hard to allow open world pvp into areans and i feel like thats why rogue gets a bad rep

it should be cringe to die in a global in a cc stun from a rogue but theres so many ways they could work around that and atleast make it decent again

id like for it to stay a hard class tho

i guess difficult is subjective

[waxen meteor]

The rep was probably still from 15 years old

[digital zodiac]

you are heeeeella peelable tbf, only ppl who trinket cheapshot would complain about rogues being insanely op

[waxen meteor]

open world pvp does not exist for long

First of all, you can uncheck pvp .... you will never be bothered by rogues...

[jade hollow]

what is it that makes AR do damage and bring you out of stealth when you have a target selected?

[jaunty osprey]

you flip a coin

when you press AR

so just dont target anyone

if you want to press AR in stealth

[digital zodiac]

if the coin is tails u do instant cosmic damage

[spring bough]

Do not pre pop adrenaline you will waste coins if you have no one targeted

Only pop it when you are ready to open and make sure you have adrenaline/ghostly macro’d together

[jade hollow]

do i lose damage by not having a target selected?

say i wanna pre AR in stealth into cheap shot

[spring bough]

Yes. You will waste like 2-3 coins if you pre pop adrenaline

[jade hollow]

no i know ill AR like 1 second before the go

still in stealth

[spring bough]

I honestly stopped opening cheap. I just adrenaline into crack into maybe a cheap and go from there

Also try to save adrenaline if vanish is 45 seconds or less away from its CD. Then vanish into adrenaline opener into crack window

[jaunty osprey]

why do it 1 second before the go

you'll get peeled on it

[orchid plinth]

#showtooltip
/cleartarget [stealth]
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/targetlasttarget [stealth]

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

just realized it's hardly reduced in pvp

idk if 4 set is worth LOL

[pliant lintel]

4set is bad

[jaunty osprey]

good for deathstalker

[pliant lintel]

ya

well envenom still hits like a wet noodle

but it's nice to shiv off 1 mark

[waxen meteor]

yeah i did it for last week lol

and immeidately i swapped it back pfff

i thought it was a solid 1 min and 30 sec huge cd thing

[molten hedge]

How quickly did you farm back DM and KB

[jaunty osprey]

5 seconds for KB and 10s for Deathmark is like nothing

[molten hedge]

It depends how many you get

[jaunty osprey]

The odds of actually getting a lucky coin OUTSIDE of your edge flip abilities as Assa in pvp

is so low

[molten hedge]

Yeah probably

But notrickz was saying it might bug and proc twice for cdr

Or something

[verbal field]

Anyone playin assa ds?

[waxen meteor]

what you mean how many you get

[molten hedge]

Lucky coins

[keen canopy]

yeah

[molten hedge]

You get CDR for every lucky coin

[waxen meteor]

you mean how many times you got 7 staright?

I gotta be honest I haven't played that much fatebound after I saw the tier set tooltip in arena

but is it a realistic expecation?

[molten hedge]

Idk that’s why I asked

[waxen meteor]

and also from the tooltip, it reads like you can have only 1 lucky coin anyway

[molten hedge]

No

Shuffle games are usually 2-2.5 mins so if you can get 3 kingsbane that’s good kingsbane hits hard for fb

[waxen meteor]

I mean even if you keep getting same face

It reads like it won't be counted as second lucky coin

It reads like, at least to me, you can have only 1 lucky coin

[molten hedge]

Read it. It says “if you already have a lucky coin” meaning you can get more than one

[pliant lintel]

maybe shaved like 20 secs if lucky but realistically how often do you kill people with death mark? i can go games without even pressing it and still win

[waxen meteor]

I took that sentence as, if you already have one, new triggers will be just consmic dmg

not 'another lucky coin', not 'another 7% agility'

[static holly]

Do you all play nightelfs?

[pliant lintel]

yes shadowmeld too op and not just for restealths

[static holly]

Makes it certainly easier

[waxen meteor]

For sin arena, it's almost mandatory

Another reset allows you to play a lot more aggressive

And a lot of chain reactions

[outer sky]

"Kill people with deathmark" 😂

[waxen meteor]

I think the biggest usage of deahtmark is to trigger the defensives like bop/bandit etc.

without pressing it, they hold that CD forever

and you win

[static holly]

Yeah, that's true but I also play goblin and rocket jump is very versatile and helpful

[spring bough]

I wouldn’t use the cancel for PvP… it negates your first crack window and you lose that to guarantee a lucky coin. Don’t think it’s worth it. Usually get a lucky coin proc from the first crack window

[waxen meteor]

I am sorry to be straght foward, but that's kinda garbage compare to reset

[static holly]

But I guess I will just main NE for midnight

[waxen meteor]

another reset is another big aoe garrot with big aoe bleed and 12 sec of cc

[static holly]

I play along blitz and epic bgs. Jumping off the cliff and cap a base is in this situation more helpful but yes u are right. DMG>utils

[waxen meteor]

I don't really even count epic bg as pvp.. but if that matters, yeah

[static holly]

🤣

[waxen meteor]

for blitz, NE is more important to other classes than rogue ironically

[pliant lintel]

you'd be surprised how often people drop combat and a quick meld sap wins games

[waxen meteor]

My main rogue is undead (sorry i have to stay with horde), and cause of that, I have been pushing blitz earlier than arena lol

or some seasons i just developed two rogues at the same time

[static holly]

Running goblin/elf but I know what you mean

Ne is kinda easy mode

I tried a few other classes but at the end I just gear another rogue 😑

[waxen meteor]

I do normally 2 new specs every season

just to learn other specs for rogue

Some of them indeed became a JOB ((Like Demo lock, BM hunter etc.., a bit boring)

Some of them became a bit hard for me (Druid Specs, can't deal with form change)

Some turned out to be not a perfect fit for me (Mage)

Some turned out to be fairly fun and/or I am fairly good with it, then I made it routine alt

[static holly]

They just have too many talents

Tried it but was too confusing

[waxen meteor]

I feel I can use mage against melee fairly good

but i feel i am destroyed by casters/hunters

[static holly]

Only tried disc this season

[waxen meteor]

I can't even reach 2.1 with healer

I am out of patience so easily when I feel a good kill window but DPS players don't react

[static holly]

I like the class fantasy of priests but I'm too bad

[sharp sierra]

I feel like with arcane I’m pressing two buttons 99% of the time but boy do those buttons fucking hit 😭

And yeah I might go NE this expac

[waxen meteor]

I started it just two days ago haha

[sharp sierra]

Literally same lmaooo

[waxen meteor]

I am definately feelin git

[sharp sierra]

I played a lot of frost mage tho

I hope they just cut shadowmeld out or give everyone a damn invis at this point

[waxen meteor]

overthinking

[sharp sierra]

Or just remove racials that aren’t QoL

[waxen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-overthinking-idea-dont-uderstand-problem-gif-9955372782358568798

[sharp sierra]

ITS NOT FAIR

[static holly]

Y

[sharp sierra]

[waxen meteor]

well at the moment I would at least keep it, so we are fairly good

[static holly]

Remove meld

[waxen meteor]

make it equal for rogue -> means to delete it for all

[sharp sierra]

It’s a free vanish

[static holly]

Give my goblin a 30s rocket jump

[waxen meteor]

I know, it's not fair.

[static holly]

I know but elves are ugly

[waxen meteor]

but the way to make it fair for rogues will 99% land on delete it

[static holly]

🤣

[waxen meteor]

not giving everyone another vanish

[sharp sierra]

You leave my blood elf gooning alone.

And my undead

[waxen meteor]

I played BE rogue at TBC/WLK

and also wanted a undead rogue

[sharp sierra]

war crates is best farm

[waxen meteor]

So when I started in NA, I did a undead rogue, but it seems I need a NE one pff

[sharp sierra]

im nevber doing anything else

[gilded gulch]

i just see undead players

as stuck in 2006

[sharp sierra]

we never got any real lore

afterwards

[waxen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-screaming-lady-rage-angry-gif-15730816

[sharp sierra]

i mean theres some famous undead mages but they arent like plot worthy

[gilded gulch]

i mean they got lore

they made emo elves

[sharp sierra]

[gilded gulch]

darkfallen are technically "forsaken"

[jolly sierra]

ye

[gilded gulch]

oh and the undead leader is why

we have an entire retconned expansion

ig

[jolly sierra]

human near mint undead when

[gilded gulch]

Undead would have been way cooler if they got the chinese model

of actual flesh zombies

not skeletons

[static holly]

At this point it is safe to say that they will never nerf nightelfs bc they didn't have done it yet

[jolly sierra]

i think in the customizations u can hide the bone parts

from some xps ago

[gilded gulch]

dont remember that

i just know you can have no jaw or jaw

for face customizations

[jolly sierra]

gotta check later

[gilded gulch]

doesnt matter if they nerf nelf

people just going to go back orc

for any class that can

[jolly sierra]

i hope they nerf NE tbh

[gilded gulch]

fuck orc meta tbh

hardiness is such a dumb racial

[jolly sierra]

ye, we had it in SL

was already nerfed enough tho

[gilded gulch]

orc sephuz players

zugzug

[jolly sierra]

me warrior

[gilded gulch]

me hit condemn

ME SMART

[jolly sierra]

me win

[sharp sierra]

thats why im saying just remove racials that arent QoL

[jolly sierra]

l2p puny rogue

[gilded gulch]

me when the ret paladin complains about mobiltiy

while divine tolling me for half my hp

from 30yd

[waxen meteor]

orc doesn't look rogue guys

cow rogue looks so dumb

[jolly sierra]

orc punches u

[waxen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/random-tuesday-im-just-im-going-to-say-this-hear-me-out-listen-gif-23071171

[jolly sierra]

rather than sapping

[static holly]

Do you play just one class or multiple classes each season?

[gilded gulch]

anytime i see "warrior transmogs"

and half the mfs are just

maghar orc male

[jolly sierra]

compared to another rogue races

[gilded gulch]

with tusks

[jolly sierra]

lit

[waxen meteor]

my warrior is maghar orc male too

[modest ore]

are crafted trinkets better than the pvp vendor conquest ones?

[jolly sierra]

my monk have a burning blade xmog

[gilded gulch]

i thought all the tryhards played gnome

[waxen meteor]

Orc >> Maghar orc in arena, but i feel I have to choose Maghar orc

[gilded gulch]

sometimes i just want to be the chaos factor

and q up blitz as a gnome prot warrior

in a clownsuit

[spring bough]

Dreaming of the day blizzard reverts undead from humanoids back to actual undead

[gilded gulch]

When was that

[jolly sierra]

fkn gnomes are silly af

[gilded gulch]

idk im not that much of an unc

[jolly sierra]

i hate them

[spring bough]

Undead were treated as actual undead npcs until some point in beta for vanilla

[gilded gulch]

so like

a lifetime ago

👴

[spring bough]

So they couldn’t be Poly’d and all that

Was pretty OP tbh

[gilded gulch]

eww mage player

[jolly sierra]

forsaken night elves joining horde ingame when

[waxen meteor]

why did you even run

a war against a mage

me leap me die

[sharp sierra]

i was eating ice cream

[sharp sierra]

andriod issue

[sharp sierra]

oh actually its because my clip is on UW so sometimes it borgs out the android discord app

[spring bough]

Is that real

[waxen meteor]

It's universal change, but not excluded from pvp

I am not sure if it's a total plus or minus? with all masteries i think it's over 50% dmg bonus?

+5% general vs a minus 10% from secondary stat

[digital zodiac]

send the "Rogue - All damage increased by %"

[waxen meteor]

Rogue -> No paragrpah

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-–-september-3/1937024?blzcmp=app

[digital zodiac]

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure about enhancement shaman skills

But these 60% seems a lot

[static holly]

Nothing new

[still river]

No Arcane Nerfs ?

[gilded gulch]

el no sabe

[still river]

Ah sorry, but Doesnt Seem much? Never played arcane

Just getting oneshotted;)

[waxen meteor]

the last one has some impact

[gilded gulch]

I'd like you to look

[waxen meteor]

first one a bit too

[gilded gulch]

at the date on that post

[digital zodiac]

"Burden of Power can no longer be double dipped by spell queueing."

Apparently a big deal

idk i dont play mage tho

[waxen meteor]

i am dumb

it's for 2024-.-

[digital zodiac]

Tarny

why are we spreading missinformation like this tarny

[waxen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sorry-im-sorry-stitch-apologetic-gif-11297488457718237801

[jolly sierra]

@gilded gulch

[waxen meteor]

I just fowarded it from DH PvP channel...

and apparently DHs are all blind

[still river]

Jesus Christ 😂😂😂😂😂

[digital zodiac]

makes sense

u got the source from the ppl that wear blindfolds permanently

[gilded gulch]

maybe male is diff

also tf is the marge simpson hair

[jolly sierra]

homer

[waxen meteor]

Just wear all masks/helmet etc.

Undead moves look very good

Especially males

[boreal briar]

Hahaha. I was reading the notes in disbelief. Thank God that was last year.

[jolly sierra]

females does backflips

[waxen meteor]

very true that was good

[sharp sierra]

i swapped to arcane thinking wed get clapped and they didnt even nerf the most damaging things

[boreal briar]

Patch notes from last year

[sharp sierra]

damn uhdk skipped out

oh oh

lmao

[waxen meteor]

#pvp message

[sharp sierra]

[waxen meteor]

it reads very real tbh

[digital zodiac]

[waxen meteor]

i think it's now 3 sec

so whatever they did last year, they probably undid it within this 12 months

[jade hollow]

if you do a go and you dont have AR, do you wait till you have full energy to go?

[digital zodiac]

another hand touches the beacon

[sharp sierra]

My rogue will always be home.

[digital zodiac]

im starting to get outright sad playing sub not even gonna lie

maybe i also touch the beacon

[spring bough]

Sounds like a lobby that woulda made me rage quit

[spring bough]

I thought I was invincible with DH last night. Then some MM hit me with like a 5-6 million aimed shot and black arrow hit me right after for 7mil

Went from 80% ish to dead with all my defensives 😭

[molten hedge]

The only reason DHs have such a low first blood is bc there’s better targets to kill. They’re not immortal

[pliant lintel]

DH dies in stuns otherwise it's a tank unless you get random 1 shot by mm hunter like Vancleef

that's why rogues don't mind facing DH teams

[spring bough]

1min CD on blur is the most insane work blizz ever did lol

[gilded gulch]

it used to be stronger

was 35% DR until SL

[acoustic junco]

I'm so tired of searing glare

[spring bough]

Same. Especially when it’s 2 pallys. Like nice just interrupted it and fk now I got glared by the other one 😭

[gilded gulch]

i think alot of people dont know about how dh actually works though

The VR immunity only works till their character lands

[waxen meteor]

DH survival can be somewhere tricky

[gilded gulch]

Though you can do funny stuff like VR into hunt cast

[waxen meteor]

It's a lot of rng

[gilded gulch]

so you cant be cc'ed during the cast of hunt

[waxen meteor]

It's not like us, evasion doesn't work in stun

blur works in stun, but DH needs to pre blur

[gilded gulch]

you also need to pre dark

if you want to get actual value out of it

[waxen meteor]

or if DH doesn't pre-blur, when DH HP gets down

blur doesn't always help

it's not 100% dodge

[gilded gulch]

my favorite was fire rmp in SL

Pre blur at 90%

still dead

xdddd

[waxen meteor]

it's just 50% on tooltip (although most people say it's 80% in real game)

the thing is it's too easy for DH to die in blur

[pliant lintel]

yea but that's more or less like anything right? if a rogue doesn't pre feint a stun you're basically dead without trinket etc

[gilded gulch]

yeah

if you played good dhs they generally will perma kite you

[waxen meteor]

Yeah, but if you got caught in 20% off stun

you can evasion

[gilded gulch]

the second they see damage potential

[waxen meteor]

and mostly it will help you

or you can cloak at 20%

[pliant lintel]

ye not saying dh is easy at all it's a lot of skill to play well

[waxen meteor]

you blur at 20%, good luck

then you roll your dice

[gilded gulch]

like i remember seeing the pretty big difference

playing random duelist dhs

vs ones with multiple r1s

[pliant lintel]

yup haha

[gilded gulch]

granted the worst was like

melee 2s

vs actual good dks

"hold on let me perma chains you all game"

[waxen meteor]

totally true

[gilded gulch]

if its unholy he just

perma chains

and clawing shadows

[digital zodiac]

its the only omnidirectional dodge with built in damage reduction

[gilded gulch]

dodge kidney

all planned

fun fact if you step kidneyed a dh with blur up

coinflip if it lands

[digital zodiac]

also if u step disarm

[gilded gulch]

the fun one was dodging incap roar

and killing the rdru panic'ing

[digital zodiac]

90% of gamblers quit before hitting the jackpot

[spring bough]

What is this double VR I saw on the DH discord? Is that still a thing they had some reset CD macro with 0.5

I been using the VR felblade cast sequence macro it’s pretty fire

[gilded gulch]

its a talent

where you can vr twice

i dont think its worth on average over the felblade reset?

[spring bough]

Ah so that’s the other side of the hero talent that resets felblade then yeah I wouldn’t pick that lol

Resetting felblade is OP

[gilded gulch]

well its nice when its an unbound felblade

especially if you got a demon proc from purging

[potent pivot]

Idk, stats are kinda w/e at this point

[grave pier]

are there any good WA's that show u when people pop stuff?

Teea's WA seems to be broken

[potent pivot]

Ye you should be able to proc it every KB pretty much

[potent pivot]

Just search for them on wago.io

PvP WAs are pretty sparse and a lot of them are old and don’t work, so you just have to look around for what you need or make them yourself

[spring bough]

wish me luck praying for hero tier gloves for the DH for four set

[potent pivot]

@ornate quiver

no, trickster still isn’t really worth over deathstalker

Deathstalker gets to darkest night envenom more now too

So just getting the extra coup isn’t really enough to make it worth

You can play it and do fine

[pliant lintel]

Yea PvE

[potent pivot]

But no one is playing it at all rn

[spring bough]

dh at 690 ilvl just soloing these timewalks LOL... im just running straight to the end and blade dancing it all

[noble venture]

This game would be good if it had Labubus...

[grave pier]

!gear

[potent pivot]

There’s a Thread attached to this channel

But it only covers week 1 purchases, and all enchants/gems

Gotta check murlok.io for the rest

[jaunty osprey]

hey guys, I contributed

[spring bough]

did u reroll arcane to pew pew or did u get pew pew'd

[jaunty osprey]

I was the assa rogue

who used mutilate

and auto attacks

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk if you can tell, but his rupture ticked for 200k

Unreal bleed gaming op

[spring bough]

oh wow he does have some dmg in there ontop of that wall of arcane dmgh

[gleaming sentinel]

lol

[spring bough]

couldnt see it with the 15mil of arcane dmg in less than a global lol

0.0 - 5mil 0.0 - 10mil like what

[jaunty osprey]

you didnt see my 200k and 97k mutilate CRITS?

[gleaming sentinel]

I am assa now, tryna be like you brother

[keen canopy]

hear me out
if you're in
Alterac valley
and you're rushing the boss
Trickster does a lot of damage

only instance i can think of

[jaunty osprey]

hehe, Assa is just so fun

[spring bough]

my new identity is im a rogue without stealth

[gleaming sentinel]

🤝

[keen canopy]

yeah basically

i dont remember ever using it as sub

[hybrid palm]

Is there a precise flag cap sequence as sub rogue against ret pala n bm hunt

Or does it require killing them

Against them individually

[spring bough]

im actually having fun pvping the last couple days

[jaunty osprey]

uhhh

you should never be able to cap vs bm hunt

probably

[keen canopy]

yeah

since they can just send pet at you

[hybrid palm]

Ok so that requires kill

What about ret pala

[keen canopy]

like the ret paladin 1v1?

[gleaming sentinel]

If he’s got full cds it ain’t gonna happen

[hybrid palm]

Ya

[keen canopy]

i dont think it's very winnable

yeah if he has cds it's over

[hybrid palm]

Ok thanks

[gleaming sentinel]

Will take a few try’s burning through some cds, gotta pick up the power up that reduces cd

[jaunty osprey]

sap -> cap

Trinkets

Kidney -> cap

Bop

Blind -> cap when bop fades

if he bubbles, reset and sap cap
or kidney cap again

but that's only if they stand next to the flag

but a defender should never stand next to a flag

[keen canopy]

yeah so kind of a herculean task to say the least

[hybrid palm]

Yup, thanks

[spring bough]

4 set immediately put reavers glaive to my 2nd overall dmg ability... kinda incredible

[jaunty osprey]

NERF

[spring bough]

pls noooooooo atleast give me a week on this before more people get 4 set next week

[jaunty osprey]

LOL

DHs are due for a nerf though

[spring bough]

did more than the ret

fury war went 0-6 that lobby and buddy is beyond pissed in chat LOL

[grave pier]

how to paly with sanguine in PvP?

do i just not go below 50 energy

[potent pivot]

you don't generally need to think about it

once you have enough bleeds out you should be drowning in energy for the most part

[molten hedge]

Why do people prefer DS? The survivability?

Or the passive dam

[potent pivot]

i don't think that many people prefer it rn

[molten hedge]

Oh ok. I’m assuming you didn’t get to try out 4 set yet

[hybrid palm]

Shadowstep

[outer sky]

Step, defensive, and the extra rot pressure

Hey do yall remember back in the good ol days when every tuesday we got to roll on a piece of gear from the vault?

Good times

[digital zodiac]

on some occasions the cleave from trickster fucks up with the blind/sap and also the coup takes 1.2 sec instead of 1 so makes the stun rotation tighter

[spring bough]

double DH requeing skirmish funny asf just demolishing ppl for this weekly XD

[digital zodiac]

it does have some benefits tho, coup gives u hella cdr and on some braindead cleaves where you dont get shut down as much u can put a lot of pressure cleaving paired with and just going pve mode lmao

[spring bough]

what is hammer of light and why is it doing 10million in 1 press

[steep loom]

Does preemptive maneuver affect elusiveness as well?

[potent pivot]

it doesn't change the way elu works. they're additive iirc

[steep loom]

i guess what i'm asking is does the pvp talent add anything to the single target damage reduction as well, or is it just the aoe portion

[halcyon timber]

Single target

The aoe is nixed if taken .

[hybrid palm]

Does bait n switch damage reduction stack with elusiveness

[potent pivot]

should ye

damage reductions are usually additive

[potent pivot]

iirc when you take elu you lose the aoe reduction

[steep loom]

oh i didnt know that... good to know, thanks

[spring bough]

721 ilvl in pvp we almost big balling out here boys

just need the trinkets and we done gearing for the season

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzards-nameplates-in-midnight-are-better-than-we-thought-important-casts-378401#comments

nameplates actually looking good, wow

[languid ravine]

Blizzard "fixed" a bug where you had 1% more damage than intended - as a result introduced a NEW BUG losing us TEN PERCENT in AoE damage
Also Blizzard "fixed" a bug that will prevent 4set from working - But it wasnt actually fixed it still randomly doesnt work

actually disgusting to play in raids

also random pugs have become godawful dogshit I pugged for 10 hours today and 90% of the time there are dps below the tank

[stoic spruce]

will blizz let me rechoose my vault piece?

I may have fucked up

[languid ravine]

you would have to write a ticket to a GM

but that GM was replaced by ChatGPT 0.5 so you ll get the same 3 automated responses

so rip vault

[stoic spruce]

I meant to grab the other tier piece so now I got 2 chest tier pieces

[languid ravine]

yes what do you think I think you meant

[digital zodiac]

never forget never forgive

[stoic spruce]

im just explaining what happened

[stoic spruce]

thatll never get unnerfed btw

Blackguard say sorry

[spring bough]

time to just reroll

[stoic spruce]

way ahead of you

[gleaming pawn]

why does the 1k Honor earned in skirmishes quest still exist in 2025

and why tf is it still 1k honor at the smallest award of honor possible

[stoic spruce]

that weekly is so bait ngl

[lost shard]

Rogue is so fun to play but it isn’t rewarding

[gleaming pawn]

literally a better use of your time to just join a crate group

[stoic spruce]

yeah I havent done that weekly since DF lol

[spring bough]

it sucks ass im doing it rn and some games are soooooo bad

[spring bough]

DH+outlaw 2s is pretty OP ngl

[gleaming sentinel]

everything feels op in placement games lol

[vocal surge]

Noice

[gleaming sentinel]

Somebody stop this man

[outer sky]

I dont think so. It's says "also" which means in addition to its normal effect

[spring bough]

yeah its like 40% aoe reduction with elusiveness pretty sure

and then the pvp talent can make it be even more i think

[languid ravine]

off hand main

[vocal surge]

@spring bough

[outer sky]

just logged on and im about to do the Skirmish quest. Y'all watch out. Thirdrogue is coming for y'all

[potent pivot]

i didn't think so either, but in pvp, yes. you lose the aoe reduction.

[outer sky]

where's it say that?

[potent pivot]

check it in pvp

[outer sky]

In pvp right now and it says this

[potent pivot]

yeah

read it bruh

non area of effect

[outer sky]

heres what the buff says in pvp

idk where you're getting this

[languid ravine]

is Feint 40% baseline?

[outer sky]

yes

for AoE

[languid ravine]

then tooltip is right

[potent pivot]

last season taking elusiveness removed the AoE reduction

[outer sky]

well not this season

[vocal surge]

Tooltip in PvP

[potent pivot]

maybe it was outlaw only

[potent pivot]

maybe its outlaw only

[outer sky]

check what the buff actually says when you press it

[potent pivot]

but iirc when i checked it was the same across the board

[potent pivot]

the hardcoded pvp data is also borked

[outer sky]

i'll have to test this

[potent pivot]

one of the tooltips is broken

[vocal surge]

[languid ravine]

pretty sure value on live is 40aoe+20dr from elusiveness no clue about outlaw though not touching that shit

[potent pivot]

remember on wowhead the pvp modifier used to say it removed the AoE reduction?

[vocal surge]

Yea

[potent pivot]

that doesn't happen anymore

it just says Feint does 0%

[vocal surge]

RIP Elusiveness tooltip lol

[potent pivot]

even without elusiveness it says 0%

[outer sky]

im like 95% sure it still gives the 40% aoe reduction

because when i feint bladestorm i take basically 0 damage

[languid ravine]

Remember its blizzard, there is a nonzero chance they bugged it out and its become 0% reduction

[outer sky]

im gunna test it right now

[spring bough]

always thought it was 40/20 with elusive

RIP

[potent pivot]

because it always was

[outer sky]

it probably is

[potent pivot]

the tooltips got fucky last season

[spring bough]

can blizz just fix something for once

and not hate on rogue

[potent pivot]

likely preemptive maneuver being added fucked something up

[spring bough]

i wonder what the tooltip says without using that pvp talent

[vocal surge]

I like how we're repeating this conversation 6 months later

[languid ravine]

Warcraft never changes

I remembered this fact today

after 10 hours of pugging

[outer sky]

ok I tested it. 1st is with feint 2nd is without.

[spring bough]

whats the % reduction on that

[outer sky]

32%

so im gunna say it works

[spring bough]

looks like the tooltips just fked lol

[outer sky]

yeah

[vocal surge]

with elusiveness?

[outer sky]

yes

bladestorm is AoE

and this is way more than a 20% DR

so it does still give the bigger AoE reduction

[spring bough]

blizz gotta give us that 8% to make it 40%

[outer sky]

he probably just hit me harder baseline the 2nd time

radiant power proc or whatever

[waxen meteor]

was law only i think

ok next week gonna be all 720+!

[potent pivot]

we're not talking about the preemptive maneuver nerf

[spare salmon]

Does the Undead racial share cooldown with the PvP trinket?

[waxen meteor]

yes but only 30 sec

unlike human

[outer sky]

how long do y'all think it'll be until blizzard makes pressing trinket trigger precog for healers?

you know that's coming

"What good does trinketing do if I'm instantly CC'd right after!?!?!?"

[gleaming pawn]

it's one of those things I'm surprised wasn't added to the game for everyone, but I dunno it's always been an amount of skill expression to make sure you trinket the right things

[waxen meteor]

Is solo queue super slow today for you all?

I queueed blitz + solo together, blitz poped three time before solo poped once...

[gleaming pawn]

haven't queue'd it today, but to shitpost I'm sure everyone is just getting tired of all the Rets

[spare salmon]

question the daggers are free with the "Astral Weapons of Conquest - Achievement" ,or is only the cosmetic style?

[potent pivot]

Ye free conquest daggers

[grave basin]

idk what's fast or slow anymore

feels like average for me is around 25mins at 2.2

earlier than 20mins is like a good surprise

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/cdewx/clip/DependableFlirtyLardAMPEnergyCherry-Ti7J28FwhayalwNW

what a noob smh

[languid ravine]

the new glad mount almost doesnt look like shit again xd almost

[outer sky]

easily the best one of the xpac. its not bad

[languid ravine]

its just the running animation cracked me up a little I m sure its cool airbourne

[outer sky]

i really liked the shadowlands glad mount model. too bad it was so easy to get

[jaunty osprey]

Astral is by far the best of the xpac

agreed

[languid ravine]

yes obviously 😄