pvp

[hard compass]

just ate a 10m starsurge

what the fuck is the tuning this week

[unique garnet]

Has this been patched yet?

[potent pivot]

Afaik no

[unique garnet]

ofc

[late oriole]

I don't know about yall but this has been the most toxic PVP season for me yet

I didn't know people could freak out like they do over battleground blitz, let alone arena skirmish

[unique garnet]

I've just been doing ghostly>rush manually instead

I haven't been told to commit seppku yet, so id say this season is going well

[stoic spruce]

its called buglaw

its gonna have bugs

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/stick-bug-stick-bugged-bug-dancing-bug-dancing-gif-18059923

New outlaw mog

[spiral torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/gunslinger-western-gif-7278985

[gilded gulch]

Never played bfa

I have an entire folder of getting gamerword dms

[late oriole]

I should start collecting them lmao

[jolly sierra]

confirm w BFA s4

fuck

nono, SL s1 was absolutely disgusting too

[vocal surge]

Honestly

Prenerf coins are more balanced

than what we got going on currently lol

[spring bough]

Don’t even need that macro really. When u do AR+GS opener from vanish you’ll more than likely proc a lucky coin

[spring bough]

Ghostly is off global just use a ghostly adrenaline macro. If u have vanish up and adrenaline and GS are less than 45 seconds off CD just save the vanish. After you vanish immediately hit the adrenaline macro and go right into a BTE crack window

Feels so good doing that especially with good bones buffs and ace procs. Just rip like 7-9 BTEs depending on rng and coins go flying

[gleaming pawn]

This is by no means a dig against the outlaw bros, but seeing everything y’all talk about makes me forever glad I retired that spec in Dragonflight

[late oriole]

I still enjoy it in PVE despite the flaws (its quite good this patch) but PVP is mostly suffering

[runic laurel]

I decided to embrace it

[spring bough]

Having to hold vanish or adrenaline to get more coin procs felt weird at first but it’s so rewarding when it pumps hella dmg

[torpid swallow]

I'm so between sub and sin right now for 2's, sin feels so weird but maybe i'm just not playing it right, any suggestions?

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough

[spring bough]

MG on trickster is disgusting with that mastery wtf

Is that ur highest mastery rogue? Didn’t u say u had two u went mastery on yesterday lol

[gusty hedge]

yeah i geared this one today, other is at liek 40%masty/ 20% crit

[spring bough]

Bro don’t tell everyone the mastery tek 🤦‍♂️

Even more mastery and MG gonna be over flurry. Wild

[vocal surge]

No haste

No crit

XD

[spring bough]

Yeah that 4% haste idek how he playing trickster like that tbh prob feels so dry 😂

[stoic spruce]

rogue doesnt have a teal set this season

are we... free?

LOL

THAT TEAL LOVER HERE CAN SUCK IT

He knows who he is

ohhhh my goodness this makes me happy

something I dont like AND someone that likes what I dont like doesnt get what they want?

sign me up

[gleaming sentinel]

lets see the actual dps lol

[spring bough]

Elite set has teal accents on it 🪦

[stoic spruce]

thats fine

thats totally different

[outer sky]

Hey I got the campaign cloak on my main rogue and now it wants me to do the campaign again to get it on alts? What?

Am I missing something?

[stoic spruce]

talk to the guy in the dome

on your alts

[outer sky]

What guy

I dont see anything

It says im supposed to talk to this guy and he will give me the cloak but theres no option

Wtf is this game.....

[stoic spruce]

That's weird

[spring bough]

Time to start questing 😂

[outer sky]

You dont have to actually finish all 5/5 of the campaign to get the cloak on alts do you?

Because on my main i stopped right after I got it

[stoic spruce]

I think you have to do the cloak introductory quests

[jolly sierra]

if you get the diving and the cloak w the main

you can straight go w the alt to get the cloak

w the upgrader

[pliant mauve]

Am I crazy or does deathstalker feel like it’s doing no damage?

[potent pivot]

Might be crazy

[outer sky]

I did the campaign on my main up until the part where I have to kill the last raid boss but I still can't get the cloak on my alt

[jolly sierra]

did you flew to the space in k'aresh?

[exotic dove]

Go on your mian look at new zone map do the purple quest

[jolly sierra]

w the alt?

if you go it auto accepts

[outer sky]

Yes I went there with the alt

To talk to Hashim

[jolly sierra]

weird

cuz i just accepted the quest w the alts

i left tazavesh

[exotic dove]

I had to do the purple quest on main for it to work

[jolly sierra]

ran towards hashim

and it autopopped

[jolly sierra]

its the diving one

if you get the achiv

you unlocked the skip

[exotic dove]

I dont remember which one it was but when I completed the campaign on my main a purple quest appeared on the map did that and then it unlocked cloak for alts

[jolly sierra]

lemme show you which one

[outer sky]

Diving?

Wtf

[jolly sierra]

void diving

[exotic dove]

Yeah blizzard wasn't too intuitive with this one lol so many people end up asking this like myself week 1

[jolly sierra]

phase diving

srry

[outer sky]

Ive done the campaign

What else do I need to do

[exotic dove]

Open your map in new zone look for the purple triangle quest do that

[jolly sierra]

if you get this one

you unlock the skip

[outer sky]

On main or alt?

[exotic dove]

the one you did campaign on which I assume is your main

if not the one you did campaign on then

[jolly sierra]

i did 3/5

[outer sky]

Im 4/5

[jolly sierra]

and i have 3 cloaks

[exotic dove]

Thats what people showed me week 1

[exotic dove]

yeah your are fine just need to do that purple triangle quest now

[outer sky]

I only see one and its called "another world"

[exotic dove]

can you screenshot your map

[grave basin]

Never had to do campaign on alts

[jolly sierra]

show me that achiv

[grave basin]

First week had to talk to the main guy when you zone in for the first time to skip the campaign

[jolly sierra]

btw

if you have it

[exotic dove]

Believe it or not so many people complain about having to do it on alts and dont know the skip

[grave basin]

Maybe see if he has anything

[jolly sierra]

ye

its confusing af

[outer sky]

I dont

[grave basin]

Then after that I just went straight to hashim

And he gives the cloak

[jolly sierra]

go and accept it

and do the diving quest

[exotic dove]

Its either Blizzard wasn't transparant enough for alts or I just dont know cause even I had to be shown waht to do

[jolly sierra]

you will unlock it then

the problem about blizzard

[grave basin]

You need to do the achievement first ye

[jolly sierra]

its than they had a straight skip

[gusty hedge]

BG Dps

[jolly sierra]

then they didn't told properly than they moved it

so people doesn't knows how to

[exotic dove]

I have actually encountered people in shuffle without the new cape they just use a bloody token one or honor one lol

[jolly sierra]

i was that one in week 1

ngl

btw guys, gotta go fatebound

tbh i am not fan of pressing ambush

to trigger DS mark

[exotic dove]

I dont mind either hero tree tbh

Fatebound made me do near sub rogue burst on a MM Hunter and killed him in a bomb lol I put the deathlog in here yesterday

That was fun

[jolly sierra]

ye, the thing is passive thinking mostly

it fits my playstyle

not cuz the FOTM tbh

[outer sky]

Does assa's 4 set also increase the duration of hemotoxin?

[potent pivot]

dunno but kinda doubt it

[outer sky]

Should we even play 4 set? It looks a bit underwhelming

[potent pivot]

Imo yeah

We have so much mastery in a late season it doesn’t matter

[outer sky]

Yeah thats a good point

[dark kernel]

I have had a TON of leavers in shuffle this week

3/4 last lobbies or so

[lone cypress]

my duo is a MM hunter, im FB sin, we're running 2s and getting dogwalked by any healer comp

what should our general gameplan be?

[grave basin]

Respec sub

What MMR?

[lone cypress]

somewhere between scrub and paintlicker

like 1400

[grave basin]

Erm, sap one open the other

Get CDs/trinket

Run

Reopen with bomb when DRs are down

Always make sure you can cross cc with one person in trap before doing a go

I think at 1400 you're kinda just brute forcing a win in the opener and if you dont you just flop and die

[lone cypress]

thats kinda what its been, a complete coin toss of whether or not one of them forgets to press a button during a brute force smoke opener, or not, was trying to elevate beyond that a bit

i guess i'm just sincerely RPing fatebound

[grave basin]

You don't want to be in the spot where you only win cause theyre bad

If you bomb in the opener, best you're gonna get is trinket from the guy in the bomb

Then next go, the other guy can trinket and stun/cross you and ruin your 2nd go

With the pace of the game rn, there isn't really a 3rd go

As double dps

Save your bomb for 2nd go

But honestly my g, at 1400 there's way less nuance than what I'm suggesting

You're probably dying with CDs up most games

I suggest not focusing on what you can do as a comp, but individually work on staggering your CDs

Learn to cross CC

Also assa doesn't really have the burst profile for a double dps comp, you'd be better off as sub

[fading yacht]

for sub, what four pieces are we using for tier? Helm, Chest, Gloves, and Legs?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[fading yacht]

thanks!

[vocal surge]

Got my hunter almost fully honor geared

and I can almost 1 tap Arms Warrior

from 100 to 20

[fossil sierra]

bro does outlaw get any better with tier

[vocal surge]

Big w. 2p

and slightly w. 4p

[stoic spruce]

idc what people say

even if its nerfed, the adr cdr is nice to have

[stoic spruce]

name something more iconic

god I fuckin hate this spec in pvp

its literally so ass

you get more out of the game playing tank

[marsh yacht]

If I swap from ds to fb, am I dropping indiscriminate carnage or something for kb? For more coins?

[potent pivot]

builds in the pins

[marsh yacht]

Idk how to copy just that build text on a phone

[potent pivot]

import it to the game when you get back on pc? or

[marsh yacht]

That will be… in 3 days. But I will do that

[potent pivot]

thats the fb build

[marsh yacht]

You’re a gentleman

[potent pivot]

but yeh they'll always be there if ya need to import

[vocal surge]

[dark stump]

shame on you , you can't hit 10m with ba

https://tenor.com/view/dishonor-dishonor-on-your-whole-family-mushu-mulan-gif-8097761

[vocal surge]

Lol

I haven't played MM before

Im about to increase my Mastery because I see that 2nd part scale way higher

than Crit

[dark stump]

in hunter discord there's a saying "if you're MM crit is you friend"

[vocal surge]

Everyone is running Mastery

from what im seeing

[dark stump]

oh that's right

[grave basin]

that's cause youre in a bg playing a brawler spec that has to use vanish offensively

[stoic spruce]

ITS SO GOOD BRO DOOD IM TELLING YOU DOOD

BUT DA COINZ DOOD

[dark stump]

what did i miss?

[stoic spruce]

nothing

[dark stump]

nothing ?

[stoic spruce]

sarcasm

hence the spelling

[grave basin]

but muh hecking crackshot!!!!!!

[stoic spruce]

MUH HECCIN COINZ AND CRACKSHOT

[grave basin]

MUH REPRENTATION DOESNT EQUAL STRENGTH D00D

[dark stump]

https://tenor.com/view/nileseyy-niles-peace-out-disappear-meme-disappearing-guy-checking-out-gif-25558985

[grave basin]

IT'S STRONGER THAN AUG BRO, DOIN G00D

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

BLIZZARD NERF POLICE!

-50% All damage, -50% Restless Blade Nerf

lol

[stoic spruce]

if I get another DM from some random outlaw in some random discord glazing GSW im gonna freak

only van and verm can do that

[vocal surge]

[tight hill]

we should get patch notes today? they will nerf ret in pvp... right...

[vocal surge]

So uh

[dark stump]

it's pve speaking

[vocal surge]

is this better?

12M Black Arrows

[dark stump]

ot seems that pve and pvp are not the same stats they aim to

[dark stump]

who got hit by it xD?

[vocal surge]

idk

I was just tab targetting

as people dropped

I dont have tier

and I dont have my weapon

Assuming I hit with both Black Arrow and AImed Shot

I was doing 20M a cast

It was so bad

This disc priest was struggling to heal

through all their CDs

Against my BAs and ASs

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot does sub use black powder

[potent pivot]

bruh

what

[stoic spruce]

time sensitive

[potent pivot]

^^^this means: ain't no way you're asking me this

no sub doesn't use black powder lol

[stoic spruce]

my friend wont play with me as outlaw anymore

until midnight

I gotta play the boy kisser spec :/

[potent pivot]

rofl

[grave basin]

Black powder?

My eyes

[grave basin]

Friends don't let friends play outlaw

Based

[stoic spruce]

yall use this?

nvm

dont want it

how am I suppose to play this spec without adrenaline rush?

[silent umbra]

Do you guys ever have a session where you’re just wracking your brain for whether or not you’re the fuckin issue

[stoic spruce]

I just died to a ret dot

[silent umbra]

Like a night where you’re just losing all your fucking games and you’re like am I the fucking problem here

[stoic spruce]

garbage spec

would rather endure outlaw

[grave basin]

sub has every tool outlaw has but better

??

[silent umbra]

Subs survivability feels awful rn

[dark kernel]

I dropped 300 cr in a single session last season and then capped my night off having to leave s round once so actually it was 450. I did 2300 to 1950 in like 3 hours. So yes

[stoic spruce]

oh now tools matter

no adr

no play

ezpz

[grave basin]

nah fam we just press W up in here

never stop pressing W

[potent pivot]

sub can use vanish completely defensively

should be kinda tanky ngl

[dark moon]

What's up with blood dk dmg in arenas

[pliant lintel]

nahh you're trolling sub is immortal, only way you die is if you don't use feint properly

[marsh yacht]

Feint have dr on it? Thought it was only for aoe

[potent pivot]

There’s 2 feint talents

[keen canopy]

yeah sub is like the more survivable of the rogue specs

[gusty hedge]

kind of, Shield/heal from vanish is about it right? still say law is the tankiest

[keen canopy]

what does outlaw have that sub doesn't, cooldown reduction on evasion?

[gusty hedge]

all rogues have that if talented
not sure what makes sub more tankier

only thing sub and ain have is the prememtive thats only nerfed for outlaw

[keen canopy]

the fact it can use vanish defensively unlike assassination and outlaw which use it offensively

[gusty hedge]

its a choice at the end , while outlaw uses vanish for offensive you can still use for defensive if you play smart and not zug zug

[vocal surge]

Zug zug bestus

[pliant lintel]

it's just the general playstyle of sub that makes it tanky, if everything is on stun DR and you're not doing a go you're not standing mid map face tanking damage

[potent pivot]

Wut

[grave basin]

If you use vanish defensively, especially without AR up you might as well /afk from the lob

Cause you're gonna be completely useless for the next minute

[grave basin]

Basically this but without the floor pov

[humble turtle]

Is it bad to have a WA collection for PVP? I have noticed no one of the best pvp players uses it

[grave basin]

Play with w/e you find comfortable

It isn't bad per say as long as it doesn't take up alot of your screen economy

[potent pivot]

yeah i wouldn't call it 'bad' exactly but tracking enemy CDs is more important

generally the top players look at their actionbars for their own CDs and have omnibar or something to track enemy's CDs above their actionbars

[humble turtle]

Would it be fine if i have an UI like kushi for pvp with plater or gladious tracking enemy CDs?

[grave basin]

Wanna give us a screenshot of his ui

[grave basin]

I mean you can but I wouldn't recommend it

You need to have party raid frames to the left with omnicd and gladius to the right

Then you also need to put your focus frame somewhere

And you also need to show enemy nameplates with cc on them

It starts to get a bit much ya know

[humble turtle]

I think i can solve this with some edits and some plater work, what i was most curious of is if the weakaura in the center of the screen is an issue for BGs and arenas

[grave basin]

I wouldn't recommend it for arena

For BGs it's w/e

You want as much screen economy as possible to see all the moving players

But you can? UI is very individualistic

I wouldn't go beyond that middle weak aura though

[humble turtle]

Understandable, thank you for your advices

[grave basin]

If you wanna see someone with a pretty aesthetic UI for PvP you can see hansol's UI

[humble turtle]

Problem is that i do m+ and raiding and i dont wanna swap UI

[grave basin]

He just has the essentials but it all looks good

[potent pivot]

if you want to pvp seriously i would highly recommend swapping UI

[humble turtle]

Would it work with this interface + the middle weakaura if i kind of replacing the action bars?

[potent pivot]

a lot of the addons used in pvp are different

[humble turtle]

Like, removing the action bars and putting the weakaura there, in the bottom of the screen

[grave basin]

If you're just starting out I wouldn't worry about any of this

Your UI isn't holding you back

As long as you have gladius

Just play and you'll decide what you want or don't want organically

[potent pivot]

i mean

[humble turtle]

I would like to climb as far as i could

[potent pivot]

i see where you're coming from but i also think they're gonna have no idea wtf is going on inside an arena set up like this

[grave basin]

Why don't you show us your actual ui

Not someone elses

[potent pivot]

i remember watching Zac try to pvp last season

[grave basin]

Inside an arena setting

Zac...

[potent pivot]

l0l

[grave basin]

Did he get to 1600

[potent pivot]

idk he was just farming conquest for a couple outlaw pieces

[grave basin]

With gladius

[humble turtle]

Im not on PC yet gimme 5 mins

[potent pivot]

his target frame had a BILLION buffs and debuffs all in ONE LINE it was so fuckin funny

[grave basin]

Everyday we should be thankful for bbp

[potent pivot]

yeah thats why i'm saying like

using elvui, a big WA pack, Cell, Plater, whatever

[grave basin]

Well let's wait for his actual ui

[potent pivot]

no one configures profiles for these addons for pvp

[grave basin]

It can't be that bad

[potent pivot]

that's why everyone uses BBP > Plater, etc

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

in actual combat i'm going to assume:

[grave basin]

In arena

Not target dummy

[potent pivot]

1: no DRs
2: target frame either has 10,000 buffs or zero buffs

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

no BigDebuffs, no OmniBar

its just gonna be the basic pve ui plus gladius

[humble turtle]

Pretty much

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

Ok well

You're gonna need some baseline add-ons

Bigdebuffs is for sure one of them

Omnicc for now is fine tbh

[potent pivot]

there's a list in the pins of the main ones everyone uses

would suggest getting an addon profile manager

so you can easily swap between a pve setup and a pvp setup

thats what i did at least

[grave basin]

Can't you do that with skillcapped ui

I don't have a Pve profile setup on there but id imagine thats what it's for

[potent pivot]

i don't think so but not sure

skillcapped ui just installs the popular pvp addons

[humble turtle]

There it is

[potent pivot]

they're all still separate addons

[potent pivot]

in an arena

[grave basin]

Sir your gladius is 500 years away from the middle

You wanna put your party raid frames and gladius as close to center as comfortable

So you can still see Infront of you but gladius isn't so far off

[molten hedge]

They recently implemented an option to switch between PvE and PvP

[potent pivot]

ic

i just installed an addon profile manager

and made a pvp and a pve preset

[grave basin]

Just pve with your PvP addons

[potent pivot]

i usually do for casual shit

but if i'm going like a higher key i'd swap it

[grave basin]

Bigwigs and stuff like that won't even load in an arena

Ig if you want a plater profile I can see it happening

[humble turtle]

There it is

[humble turtle]

I heard about that, but for me its a bit odd to swap UI

[orchid plinth]

As long as you have the information needed for PvP you are good to go. DR tracker, cooldowns for opponents and teammates, not hiding important buffs/debuffs.

Get a Mes WA to have some airhorns blasting when opponents try to murder

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean its odd at first for everyone, would recommend just doing it sooner and getting used to it, but you do you

at the end of the day ui is personal preference, you just need different information available in pvp

[gusty hedge]

don't all rogues have the vanish healing but sub has the shield?

[orchid plinth]

Most big PvPers are just stuck in their ways coming from a legacy of not being able to use too many addons etc. Some thing PvErs do makes way more sense like putting defrensive cooldowns close to your healthbar, hiding unneeded things etc etc. Just play what you are comfortable with.

[potent pivot]

oh i thought you were responding about the evasion CDR lol

[potent pivot]

i really don't think that's the case anymore

the only one i've seen in the past couple years that's 'stuck in their ways' from old tourey rules is pikaboo

everyone else has changed their set up to be as good as possible

[gusty hedge]

not speaking directly for arena. you best be sure ima vanish if im dying whether i have AR up or not, im going for the reset. cdr will have havin vanish up sooner than later, shouldn't be too worried unless you blow through your vanishes.

[humble turtle]

Aight, thank you all for your tips

[humble turtle]

Why do you think they refuse to use WA packs like the ones people use in PVE?

[potent pivot]

not enough screen space

[orchid plinth]

I think they've pushed everything they do into WeakAuras, yes for monitoring every single step the opponent takes.

PvP is more about the opponent PvE is more about you?

[dark stump]

tell me the name , i get too many error with elv UI

[potent pivot]

there's no room for bloated spec WA packs

you aren't doing a target dummy rotation either

your rotational abilities should just be known, your CDs are on your actionbars

the most important things to look at in pvp are DRs, enemy buffs, enemy CDs, THEN your CDs

[dark stump]

2 reasons in my case
Visibility
and game freeze

[orchid plinth]

I mean tbh Whaazz UI looks like a fucking garage sale

and he has ads on it

[grave basin]

what

whaaz ui is as basic as it gets

[orchid plinth]

Yes, in a a bad way

[potent pivot]

nah

[grave basin]

how is that bad?

[orchid plinth]

If you compare to someone like Corkiri who has a goated "basic" UI

[grave basin]

it shows him exactly what he needs to know

[potent pivot]

people get way to caught up on looks

its there to give you information

[grave basin]

how is this any different

other than it's more neon

LMAO

[orchid plinth]

I agree I get caught up on looks

[grave basin]

sarena instead of gladius

[orchid plinth]

It's basically the same UI but one makes you vomit

[dark stump]

it depend on preference no?

[grave basin]

other than the color scheme there's barely any diff

[potent pivot]

yeah, the one trying to be minimalist

[dark stump]

it's just the classic wotlk/MOP one no?

[orchid plinth]

We need a clip of that demo lock who plays almost without an UI

looks fucking whack

[marsh yacht]

I run pretty minimalist. I hide any button that doesn’t have a cd, shrink most things besides plates and enemy/friendly cds

Blacklist a lot of buffs and debuffs that are just clogging shit up

[dark stump]

to this day i'm curious if this guy just know his keybind by hearth

[marsh yacht]

Not unreasonable. I main resto sham and I swear there’s a billion binds, and I wouldn’t consider myself exceptional

But I don’t need to see like… healing surge healing wave wolf form, as icons on my screen

[orchid plinth]

https://hitlerx.com/bigmoranx/status/1704598675077701830

Bigmoran (@Bigmoranx)

The UI of the highest rated player in Solo Shuffle on NA:

**💬 27 🔁 23 ❤️ 490 👁️ 95.1K **

HitlerX · Sep 20, 2023, 8:49 PM

[spring bough]

Is that the one button rotation crap 😂

[marsh yacht]

With rogue I just have stuff like fan of knives, mutilate, eviscerate, throw, hidden

[potent pivot]

nah he just plays like that

if its the same guy i'm thinking of

[spring bough]

That’s disgusting lol

[potent pivot]

they play dev/lock too

[spring bough]

If I couldn’t see buttons idk how I’d play lol

[dark stump]

bruh

[marsh yacht]

Tellmewhen has some pretty good uses I think although I’ve moved away from it

[dark stump]

wait what ? highest ?

[potent pivot]

that was a year ago

but yes they're usually at a decent rating

[dark stump]

hmm xD

nah that's some flexing

[marsh yacht]

Wondering how he’s tracking stuff like totems

Maybe advscrollingtext

[potent pivot]

iirc his CD icons pop up when they're off CD

[dark stump]

oh it's like an action bar but go invisible if it's on cd ?

[marsh yacht]

Ah yeah sounds like tellmewhen

[potent pivot]

its all custom WAs

basically his entire UI is custom WAs

[marsh yacht]

You can have multiple skills on the same button on priority list too

Same icon space rather

[orchid plinth]

Doom Cooldown Pulse

[marsh yacht]

You can get crazy efficient with it if you have really intimate knowledge of your class

I’ve spent an embarrassing amount of time just trying to hide more and more of my ui lol

[gleaming sentinel]

i cant think of a more triggering experience than being the most cc'd in the lobby

[humble turtle]

Sorry for bothering you once more, i modified my UI removing the collection WA, replacing it with personal resource bar and some custom WA to track stuff

Does this look better?

[potent pivot]

I’d remove the team mate side of gladius and put your standard blizzard team frames in its place

So you can see the onmniCD better

Still got a bit to go but idk

Get Omnibar and bigdebuffs

Try BetterBlizzPlates and BetterBlizzFrames

There’s a list of addons in the pins

[vocal surge]

Druid Cycloning the guy your about to pop coins on

Especially on high stacks

[verbal field]

@potent pivot with assa fatebound build, can I macro cold blood to smth? deathmark maybe?

[hollow carbon]

you macro it to kingsbane like PVE

[verbal field]

aye

[gleaming sentinel]

some lobbies i am stun / rooted / disarmed on cd and im easily douoble the next dps on cc recieved

its just not fun, shuffle fucking blows sometimes

[hard compass]

Would anyone be interested in a weakaura wherein Brann screams "IT CANT END LIKE THIS" every time you lose a round of shuffle?

[languid ravine]

needs a complete voicepack
-DONT STAND THIEEEEEERE whenever you stand in Death and Decay
-THEY NAY BE USING THAT ONE AGAIN whenever your healer dispels you
-NEXT TIME TRY SOME HARDER HITTING MOVES everytime you press Sinister Strike (5 times in a row)
-I KNOW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS everytime your deathmark gets bopped/cauterized/darkirondwarfed/bandaged

[late oriole]

Anyone know how I can get out of the 1500s in BG Blitz?

Every win and loss is like a 15pt rating change, my win rate is currently .5

[jolly sierra]

very well, guys

i gotta go fatebound today because i am lazy enough

say me a TLDR

compared to deathstalker

[dark stump]

is there some UI profile you could advice me to try either pvp or pve
i'm getting too much freeze and lua errors from the current one i'm using

[molten hedge]

I played it for a few shuffles yday and got some semi wacky KBs 7 mil+ in 0.5-1 sec it’s p good

[jolly sierra]

do u charge i}t with cold blood?

[molten hedge]

Yeah I played that build

I don’t like not having deeper strategem on bigger maps with casters bc ruptures fall of super quick but maybe I just prio hitting closest and rolling with it

[jolly sierra]

people used KB in fatebound tho

close to 100% in preferences

[balmy shuttle]

Increase your winrate. (For a more serious answer you have to provide more information)

[late oriole]

2-3 my teammates either AFK or bots it feels like half the time

[latent kindle]

heya, are there any recommended assassination videos/streamers to watch to learn a bit more about pvping?
I'm currently playing solo shuffle, and I just feel like I'm just running around like a headless chicken trying to bruteforce a kill on a typically random target (it seems like most other players at these challenger ranks do the same, but still) kind of having a hard time tracking opponent CDs/trinkets/defensives, and really not sure on who to go/when to swap

[sharp sierra]

You just get screwed by half the specs right now it’s rough. You aren’t winning off of envenom windows it’s about the long game and CC and hoping your partner can delete at the correct times which is frustrating in a game mode that’s more zug zug

I know people here have a basis towards pika but honestly he’s the streamer I watch that says literally every action he’s thinking/doing outloud and it’s so much easier to follow over a rotation guide showing BGs instead of arenas

[pale storm]

That’s just blitz, it’s pretty rng with who you get on your team even at the top rating. You have to win streak to get out of that mmr though, especially if you are stuck there on .5 win rate. My advice would be to learn how to carry games on certain maps, watch rogue blitz streamers, or Q with a good healer and use voice to hopefully have an advantage

@late oriole

[sharp sierra]

Voice voice

Makes a world of difference

[lean prawn]

guys it's possible skip the quest for the legendary cloak with the alt? I have on my main

[molten hedge]

Shadenox and CanaryClaw have a good bit of content. And assa hasn’t changed much lately, so older videos are fine too

[molten hedge]

Nothing INSANE like some other specs, but if done at right moments it feels good

[latent kindle]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'll give a look at these streamers, shuffle is definitely chaotic but i guess its also just play more and git gud

[lean prawn]

@balmy shuttle how can i skip?

[balmy shuttle]

Just start the questline and once you step through the portal you get the option to skip in dialogue.

Then you just fly to the guy that upgrades the cloak for you and ask him for a "new" cloak

[jolly sierra]

gotcha gotcha

[outer temple]

i tried to edit my rogue gameplay

[static holly]

Just directly fly over to the guy with the phase shifting where u got the cloak first time

[dark stump]

yes if you did the quest "another world"

[fossil sierra]

is there an addon to make the enemy healer always arena 1?

[spring bough]

good shit with the edit

[acoustic junco]

almost made 2300 back down to 2060 something. I think it's time for the extended break this season again

outlaw just kind of sucks in comparison

[gleaming sentinel]

Shuffle just blows as a game mode for outlaw

I’m on my pve arc for now

[sharp sierra]

ive been playing udk and man.....its fun

[molten hedge]

Ofc it is it’s overtuned asf 🤣

[marsh yacht]

Been playing rsham. Feels… stronk

[pliant lintel]

'Framesort'

[jolly sierra]

what have i done dude

i am innocent

[molten hedge]

I recently knew a guy that tried everything to make his arena coincide with framesort arena1 like it would look like arena1 but when he’d press a macro bind for arena1 it would use on 2 or 3

[pliant lintel]

use dynamicmacros

[gleaming pawn]

No sign of any tuning coming next week, this season might just be cooked already

[hard compass]

just hit my first 1v2 on rogue

vs 2 rogues no less

[formal pebble]

Always feels good to win that

[jolly sierra]

i will go fatebound, lets see how it works

how many heads do you need ideally to land a KB?

in a realitic scenario, guys?

[potent pivot]

wdym

[jolly sierra]

with fatebound

and head damage buffs

it stacks

[potent pivot]

do you mean kingsbane or killing blow

[jolly sierra]

kingsbane

[potent pivot]

ah

you don't really need a set amount before you KB

you utilize KB and the cold blood envenoms to proc the coins

[jolly sierra]

anything to consider, then?

ah gotcha

[potent pivot]

do you remember

that short time in s1 iirc where fatebound+kyrian echoing reprimand was good

because you could land a couple cold blooded envenoms fast with ER

it's similar to that, except now with 2set KB helps you land coins

you use the flips after breaking stealth on w/e, then you can KB->DM into ur cold blood envenoms

can also use vanish if you get fucked, to get you more flips

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

understood

[waxen meteor]

I think fatebound is not so good after coin nerf tbh

Especially in solo

[potent pivot]

nah its still pretty good

[waxen meteor]

I don’t feel advantage compared to DS

ST dmg is slightly better but it’s not something super deadly

[potent pivot]

It’s better ST

you realize

It doesn’t have to be “BETTER” to be “GOOD” right

Both trees can be good at the same time

It’s all about trade offs

Fatebound is better ST damage and can do more damage in less time than Deathstalker

Deathstalker is better overall dps from the cleave and funnel

But overall dps is far from the only thing that matters in pvp

[safe turret]

is outlaw running 4pc or just 2pc this season?

[potent pivot]

There’s no reason not to run 4p as outlaw almost ever

Once you have enough haste/vers the rest of your stats can kinda go into whatever

[hidden moth]

And not being a 1.5 min spec bc that shits weird

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t shorten our CDs by that much in pvp

[hidden moth]

Oh

My bad

[potent pivot]

But shorter CDs on your CDs is always good

This isn’t pve where we have a bunch of odd shit to line up with

[hidden moth]

Ye I just know in pve it fucks timings a lot

Though our aff partner is still on 1 min goes so

[potent pivot]

Yeah they implemented it in the most fuck ass way possible

[hidden moth]

Lining our go with theirs would prob be better than a 1 dps send go then their go

Depends though

[outer sky]

I think assa/dev is probably assa's best comp rn

it feels really good

[hidden moth]

I haven’t gotten to pvp a lot this season got 1 piece of tier rn

Been doing mythic raid prog and keys so changes to tier I’m getting what I know from last season / pve shit

[hidden moth]

Is that bc of the constant pressure from assa and peel it gives mixed with insane burst from drag?

[spring bough]

hows pvp tonight

[outer sky]

I guess? Idk i just feel like i can be way more aggressive. Having rescue and time stop is super nice and the dragon can stun for you sometimes too like if they stack once you get them all deep breathed already taking a ton of damage then you vanish for AoE silence and restuns

And then the burst just makes getting clean kills so much more reliable

And the sleep spam covers the fear spam you lose not having a lock

Like assa/dev is basically just assa/boomie on steroids

[dark kernel]

I'm about to make some mistakes

[spring bough]

damage outta control on some classes in pvp

im over here doing 150mil overall and pally is 300mil

[dark kernel]

Yeah lots of melee lethal except us

Unholy, fury, survival, WW, ret all do insane damage

Frost too

[outer sky]

the only one of those i have a problem with is ret. I feel like ret has way too much utility to be doing the damage they do. especially from the range they do it from

[spring bough]

some1 reported my name vancleef and i had to rename my character wtf is this shit

wowowow now i cant login

and this just happened mid match

[outer sky]

it really does surprise me that sanc hasnt been nerfed yet. like that ability is super underrated for how good it is

[spring bough]

can i get some1 banned for getting Vancleef name reported cause this is bullshit lmao

my appeal has a lil snarky "please explain to me how an NPC name in your game is an inappropriate name? I would really love to know"

[gleaming sentinel]

just breezed to 2100 on my assa alt with no gems

will camp mmr a bit now

[spring bough]

yall ever seen a pally lose to DKs cause he gets his divine shield stolen back to back rounds

just incredible cinema

[gleaming sentinel]

i put the pvp modifier on a pve helm and you cannot put a gem on it

fyi

[spring bough]

yup they didnt let us have a work around RIP

[safe turret]

you can get a gem socket for the pve helm from the vault, assuming you aren't using vault for other things, fairly easily. Just requires filling 3 slots so you can get 6 tokens

[spring bough]

Saving those vault picks for mythic track items first then the gem tokens last lol

[gleaming sentinel]

just chipping away at 3k, 2.7 right now... kinda feels chill this season tbh

m+

[spring bough]

Easiest season of M+ ever

[waxen meteor]

lol this is crazy

There are just too many fragile people

[dark kernel]

im stoned as shit but my outlaw feelin ass tonight

I actually have real bad time into lobbies of ret/war/Hunt

because every matchup is KFC or Ret/War and they both feel awful

[gleaming sentinel]

trill streamin outlaw

[remote nexus]

guys if i varnish my pve gear does that make it pvp only now?

*pve tier gear

[potent pivot]

no

it just adds pvp ilvl to it

[remote nexus]

nice tyty

[grave basin]

where in the flippidy flop is the tuning???

how are there no notes yet

[gleaming pawn]

guess they took an extra long weekend

or they don't think this garbage pile needs tuning

[grave basin]

why

the people doing the tuning should still be in irvine

[gleaming pawn]

Memorial Day weekend, everyone has Monday off but a lot of people took today off as well

but who actually knows

[grave basin]

yea this is fun

game actually fucking sucks so hard

and these guys already delayed tuning cause 50 people wanna do their meme race

1/3 of the whole ladder is just one spec

[hidden moth]

U get Monday off?

I gotta work fri Mon and Tuesday for the holiday pay lol

[hidden moth]

What spec

[gleaming pawn]

yeah, I work for a medical software company so since the doctor's offices are all closed so am I

[grave basin]

Ret

And hpal is good too so there's 50x bops every lobby

[hidden moth]

So go get my free 1800 then

[spiral torrent]

is ass better than sub in SS

[potent pivot]

All specs are viable atm really

[stoic spruce]

outlaw conditioned me to think anything above 1.2 mil is high

so think carefully if you decide to play outlaw

[pliant lintel]

just make 3 rogues and play all specs

[exotic dove]

To be fair you can make two since assa and sub pretty much use th esame gear

[carmine sequoia]

I have been playing survival hunter for the first time this season, crazy damage, amazing utility.. Thinking of playing my outlaw, how is it looking? Tried last season but damage was ass

[pliant lintel]

damage is still ass don't let anybody fool you

[carmine sequoia]

Are you guys managing to make KS work? It must a nightmare against BM hunters lol

[pliant lintel]

not really, at low mmr you can probably kill somebody in a bomb with it

[spring bough]

8/10 times it gets CC’d lmao

[pliant lintel]

legit budget fist of fury

[spring bough]

Looking like 1/4 of the burst damage survival does. U wanna do a 7mil flanking strike on outlaw? Never coming close

[spring bough]

i wish they would unnerf coin damage and restless blades and i feel like i would like playing

[pliant lintel]

tbh i just think all specs need a rework shouldn't have to rely on rng bullshit like coins or defensive abilities to do damage

[spring bough]

pally turned his back to LH to fight a lil bit up on the road. stole LH. we held it for a while. i go WW. steal that from the fury war. GG game over

sitting 10-3 on blitz feeling like it could be a good weekend of games

[pliant lintel]

i just tanked 5 blitz losses back to 2k mmr haha

[vagrant dome]

Prolly silly question but does anybody know the spawn timers of the war mode chests

a pvp trink is simming like
top 3 in terms of output on my hunter for raid

[pliant lintel]

i believe it's 20 mins per zone

[vagrant dome]

Ah alright, are they on seperate timers?
Or are they all synced

[pliant lintel]

all seperate per zones, there's an addon that tracks the timers and usually theres groups in LFG for it

'rdy's Crate Tracker'

[spring bough]

2milly coin like its not nerfed whattttt

we annihilated this hunter LOL

[pliant lintel]

lmfao

must've had big stacks

[spring bough]

10milly coin damage in 1.6seconds ontop of 3.975mil of BTE/Dispatch from crackshots

[vagrant dome]

Lmao what

I don't play PvP at all, but that's an amazing dps breakdown X)

[pliant lintel]

ya outlaw do be like that sometimes you'll just randomly kill somebody hahaha

[spring bough]

the sub rogue didnt even have anything hit in that window kinda crazy lol

to be fair i had 6 buffs KIR'd and i was cranking vanishes, adrenalines and crackshot

[pliant lintel]

how much haste do you have if you play KIR?

never actually tried to play kir in pvp only pve

[spring bough]

at pvp ilvl i have 21.6 crit, 33.4 haste and 32.6 verse, and thats with crit on reshi cape

but u just need 19.5 haste for KIR in pve or pvp

[pliant lintel]

ahh yea i got omega crit but was playing take em by surprise

need to recraft a ring then i can try kir

[spring bough]

how are some level 11 warriors running 200% speed thru a dungeon lol

[grave basin]

Time walking set

They're OP

[spring bough]

oh its gems

they got some meta gem and shadowlands gem and they get speed from X number of gems

bro has 31 gems socketed, +15 speed for each one

[jolly sierra]

i wasted a very big thing yesterday

i was able to get 4set

but i forgot it gives u an spark rather than a tier piece anymore at 1k6

REEEEEEEEEEE

i could force the 4set with a bloody token piece and i wasted it xd

i hate how it works rn ngl

day 2

[spring bough]

capped mines and WW got us the W here. god i love rogue on this map

[lone cypress]

the last era I was pvping cap times were hella longer, I guess they fit in a normal sap now? what are the basics for ninja capping, any tricks?

[spring bough]

yeah its like 5 second cap time. try to save ur trinket and make sure u have something like kidney and blind up with a sap or kidney and blind together. get them to pop trinket on one. then full sent the other and press cap immediately

[grave basin]

rating change: 36

mmr and cr difference: 800

yea im never playing that

[spring bough]

why is mistweaver fistweave spec doing as much damage as outlaw

[grave basin]

i legit saw a mw 2v1 nahj and aeghis yestd

they killed his partner and lost the 2v1

[spring bough]

36 seems to be the max

[grave basin]

imagine if you have 2.9k mmr

legit unplayable

unless youre unemployed

[gleaming sentinel]

Meanwhile Qing into mm / arcane / ret in shuffle is peak

Looks like ret is good

[vocal surge]

Ret should eat a 50% damage nerf

And get blocked on all platforms

[spring bough]

what even is that

i just had a ret in my solo lobby go 1-5

and he did by far the top overall dmg

150mil over the next guy a DH

ive just got 3 solo shuffles back to back to back instant pops LOOOL

[pliant lintel]

tbh wouldn't actually mind ret damage if you could kill them

bubble ignoring forb and lay not effected by damp is troll af

[gleaming sentinel]

bring back the dmg penalty when you are bubbled

they have way too many utility spells

delete searing glare too

make them a melee class again

[grave basin]

had a 3x pink class lobby on my ww

i was just perma glazed

or someone had bop

im also perma hard stuck 2150

😔

[keen canopy]

"3x pink class"

like they're second class citizens

[grave basin]

ret palas have a higher overall dps than aff lock btw

[spring bough]

brb leveling my UDK

[grave basin]

https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated Solo Shuffle&sortKey=target&minRating=0&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=&trendChartStat=representation

[dark kernel]

Ret is just awful in every shuffle and they are in every shuffle

They're annoying to all melee classes, but we synergize with them the worst.

[spring bough]

2 milly BTEs are fun when they hit mages

[grave basin]

jk jk

[gleaming sentinel]

ngl im about to gear my surv

[dark kernel]

Yeah same.

It's survival or arms for me

I have a priest too but setting up add-ons to heal is daunting

[spring bough]

idk how some mages do it but some really good ones every time u hit interrupt on arcane missles they instantly stop and precog

cant even get a damn interrupt on the missles with some lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

botting ong fr fr

[spring bough]

yeah im convinced they running something that stops the channel the second i hit interrupt its too crazy fast 100% precog everytime

[jolly sierra]

i had a bot in a skirmish yesterday

he was full naked afk farming honor

by losses

i just reported him, no fkn bot will mess up my Q

[wet crown]

nerfs outlaw, but this is fine

[gleaming pawn]

Rogues should have slow played it, and not queued until week 2 to avoid getting nerfed

[spring bough]

i claim no part in the nerf

[vocal surge]

Killing Spree go brrr

[spring bough]

life swap on the priest didnt work... whooops LOL

love me some silvershard mines when im the only rogue... altough enemy team has two MM....

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-undertale-deltarune-gif-8006577193793263180

Stack that with Head Coins

+10% Turn the Tables and +12% Dagger in the Dark

+15% from Ghostly Strike

+Head Coins (10% for 1st +2% per after)

Combined with this

and this

Actually

scratch Dagger in the Dark

Boarding Party

[spring bough]

blitz is fun today..... closest silvershard ever

[vocal surge]

join Hotmogu

We can pump +6M DPS

[spring bough]

Ight maybe I will see you in a game lol

[worthy tinsel]

Jfc..

[dark moon]

this as outlaw?

[gusty hedge]

fatebound sin is to blame

[vocal surge]

Deleted 2 people at the same time in Hotmogu lmao

with Killing Spree

1.6M hits

[grave pier]

Stupid to bind Thistle tea to Symbols of Death?

for pvp 3's?

[potent pivot]

if you're going to macro it, put it on dance or somethin

you can double symbols in 1 dance, would be a waste to double tea

[grave pier]

ok thanks, trying to reduce button bloat 😄

[grave pier]

anything else I can macro together like Shadow Blades with SD or smth?

[potent pivot]

would only recommend like badge

can put badge on blades

but still going to want a separate bind for it to send with just dance

[grave pier]

is there a vid or smth for rotation

[potent pivot]

not really no

[hybrid palm]

Is havoc dmg tuned correctly ? They gap others in my lobbies by 2x

[potent pivot]

the state of tuning is always in like an ebb n flow

so 'correctly' doesn't make much sense

there's always strong specs and specs that feel weaker etc

unless they do a tuning patch and address it, you just have to deal with it pretty much

[vocal surge]

BTE go brrrrrrrr

[grave pier]

no subterfuge in Sub PvP???? how do i spam my cheap shots?

whats the rotation

[potent pivot]

with dance

the rotation hasn't changed

[grave pier]

ok but like with the openner it can be so weird

cuz smth can take u out of stealth

[potent pivot]

[grave pier]

hmmm

trying to pvp with this, but struggling 🙁

Like having to manually press Symbols and Shadow Blades is not doing well for me

[potent pivot]

playing proper takes practice

[grave pier]

true but my Symbols and SB are not right keybinds

@potent pivot is this the pvp talents?

[potent pivot]

looks about right

[grave pier]

was looking on murlok, not too many ppl run gloomblade

[potent pivot]

doesn't really matter

where you put these less popular points here

isn't going to make a difference whatsoever

[robust grotto]

how is sub performing in pvp atm? im raiding as sub and havent had much exp with assa or outlaw

[grave pier]

i hope its btr than assas

cuz im sub for pvp, because I heard sub is best for Mythics

[keen canopy]

sub pvp is good

better than outlaw at least

[grave pier]

how important is setting rupture in initial burst for sub?

[dark moon]

i want to complain...blood dk and brewmaster in shuffle 2 lobbies in a row

what is this cancer

respectfully, of course

[potent pivot]

Not at all

That hasn’t been a thing since s1

You can still do rupture as your first finisher and probably be fine, but they nerfed all of the modifiers that made that worth doing

Danse macabre, finality, etcetc

If you’re running replicating shadows and you can cleave the rupture onto a 2nd target it’s prolly fine as well

Other than that just spread ruptures outside of dance

[exotic dove]

Yeah I never use rupture while in dance

I do apply it all the time outside of dance though

[exotic dove]

Good Bye Mr. Ret Pally

[grave pier]

So rupture is basically if u have nothing else to pump

[exotic dove]

You will never run out of pump damage in shadowdance. it is applied when you are not bursting in dance

[spring bough]

brb rerolling sin

[hidden moth]

killed her on pull 48

[dark moon]

Gz, i space out after the 3rd set of clones

[gleaming sentinel]

Nice, I can’t even tell which clone is killing me I just die instantly my brain can’t comprehend

[spring bough]

in a solo with a sub and two boomys lol

awh i did /laugh at this healer that had no wins going into round 5 and he left LOL

[keen canopy]

you just singlehandedly made that healer quit pvp forever

now our shuffle queues will be forever longer

[gleaming sentinel]

why do this? lol

[spring bough]

this is what happened right before lol

8 coins 55% to 0 lol

[keen canopy]

that'll do it

[spring bough]

sub went behind the grave in the middle of the map and just unloaded on him while dragon was on opposite side of it lol

[grave pier]

For assas, can you bind Cold Blood to something for Assas? Also why Coldblood and not Deeper Startagem?

@keen canopy / @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

you macro it to KB but it only gets used on envenom

cold blood is only on the fatebound build

because you need it

[marsh yacht]

Is fatebound just the play? Dealing with 4 stacks of this mark to get an okay evis just hasn’t been doing it for me

[grave pier]

and im guessing fatebound is better

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't say better no

they're both good

[grave pier]

so difference is?

[marsh yacht]

I’ve basically only played ds, and it feels like 75% of the wins I’m actually contributing too are just from rotting people down

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

read down from there

[marsh yacht]

Maybe I find a good spriest?

[potent pivot]

wdym 4 stacks? it's 3. and shiv eats a mark when you have tier set.

[grave pier]

Thanks, considering I am playing RMP, the burstier ST would be useful

[keen canopy]

fatebound is a little more bursty i guess and does more single target i prefer fatebound but deathstalker and fatebound are basically equal

[marsh yacht]

I don’t have my 4 set that’s why I haven’t switched yet

[grave pier]

Gave up on Sub Rogue

back to my assas routes

[keen canopy]

oh yeah what did you not like about sub

[potent pivot]

wdym haven't switched yet

[grave pier]

I feel like it's more focus on set-up, and having to constatnly manage Symbold was very annoying

Whereas Assas I can just stack bleeds on every1 play it easier/better

myb i just also cba to learn sub

[marsh yacht]

I’ve stuck with ds just to get used to it and not gone fb cuz I don’t wanna give up on it before 4 set

My first vault had zero tier…

I’m only 1700 too so I’m not gonna blame my lack of success on something as minor as a slightly faster eviscerate

Never mained rogue til this season

[keen canopy]

welcome to the cult

i mean club

[grave pier]

Am I wrong to say the rotation for PvP is:

Sap Heals

Cheapshot > Garrote > Garrote > rupture > Build for Tempest > Kingsbane > Deathmark?

think you add in a Fan of blades in there too

[marsh yacht]

Does dm copy crimson tempest?

[potent pivot]

no

[potent pivot]

you should be pressing fan of knives instead of mut anytime you can hit 2 or more targets. i would also highly suggest stop trying to learn exact gcd 'rotations', learn how the specs function and the priority of stuff

rotations change situationally, so boxing yourself into learning 'openers' doesn't help you in the long run

[grave pier]

yh ofc

I mean it's just basically applying bleeds

[potent pivot]

you need to be casting envenoms as well

[grave pier]

yeye. I think I just need to remember the following:

Kingsbane > Deathmark > Shiv

[potent pivot]

especially as fatebound

you can shiv first

[grave pier]

oh yeah shiv should be first

I was more interested about the double garrote which I think we do since it's empowered and allows us to spread it esp in 3's (+ silence procs)

[hidden moth]

if ur running 2x shiv

u want to ideally

shiv dm kb shiv (as the first shiv debuff falls off)

[grave pier]

ye running 2 shiv's

[hidden moth]

doing w/e else u want between the kb and 2nd shiv

[grave pier]

And also important to have empowered Garrote+Rupture as part of ur Shiv, DM, KB

[hidden moth]

empowered rupt?

[grave pier]

oh mb I thought coming from stealth empowers ur rupture since there was a glow around it

it just spread it

it's just garrote that gets empowered

[hidden moth]

it makes ur gar do 50% more

but not rupt

[grave pier]

Is there a weakaura like this on the right htat also tracks Crimson Tempest?

[dark adder]

Do we have a list of what abilities are causing rogues to drop stealth again? I keep getting dropped randomly whenever I'm near an evoker or someone buffing and its really frustrating. I know S1 it was a warlock for awhile....

[potent pivot]

[grave pier]

😄

[potent pivot]

you have the bleeds on the nameplates...

why do you need those god awful progress bars

[potent pivot]

remove deadly poison and internal bleeding from your nameplates and add crimson tempest to them

[potent pivot]

we don't have a list no

there's been multiple this expansion

[grave pier]

cuz it's so hard to track who has bleeds on and not when there's so many buffs/debuffs im tracking. Esp when im against Shamans/pets

[spring bough]

i cry when a survival is on my team in an all melee solo shuffle... they do so much dmg but get deleted so fast

[potent pivot]

so make your tracking better

[past musk]

Hello, I'm starting outlaw in pvp, where should i check about talents and stuff? tyia

[grave pier]

Im using Nameplate cooldowns

[potent pivot]

pins

[potent pivot]

[grave pier]

really?? that as well 🙁

what would u recommend

[potent pivot]

omnibar, gladius, sweepyboop's pvp helper

there's a list of the most popular addons in the pins as well

[keen canopy]

what the hell is a nameplate cooldowns

[runic laurel]

I use (non default) nameplate cds as well, it works for me just pruning all the debuffs to just showing like garrote and rupture on the left side of nameplates and active cds/cc as special buffs on right side

[grave pier]

tells u all the CD's ppl have popped

[keen canopy]

yeah but does it do that on the nameplates

[grave pier]

ye

above them

[keen canopy]

yeah im not fond of that

requires you look at them

[grave pier]

how do u "untrack" internal bleeding?

so it doesnt appear

[potent pivot]

are you using betterblizzplates?

[grave pier]

ye

[potent pivot]

its quite god awful, kalvish used that shit a long time ago and it was horrid to watch

[potent pivot]

add it to the blacklist

[keen canopy]

like i heard "nameplate cooldowns" and i thought "surely it's not what i think it is"
and then it was what i thought it was

[grave pier]

for newbies like me

it's amazing

[keen canopy]

better than nothing i guess

[grave pier]

Ok but now this is happening

is this normal?

seeing the garrote twice

[potent pivot]

no

one is from betterblizzplates, idk what the other is

[grave pier]

omniaura's

ok fixed that

but crimson tempest is not showing

[potent pivot]

add it to the whitelist

[grave pier]

it already is

nvm it weas also blacklisted

[wintry dew]

Thats CrimsTon Tempest

[keen canopy]

so it does a crimsTon of damage

[potent pivot]

spelling

[grave pier]

wops