pvp

[rose thorn]

like when you cast a certain finisher it adds time to your buffs

[keen canopy]

yeah maybe they just change how container works

since it's kinda weird if you havent seen it in action

[spring bough]

rets might be brain dead tbh

they just rely on OP dmg

[keen canopy]

i mean they are ret

sort of goes without saying

[stoic spruce]

Here's my take. I think they should do away with the container and just have it so CTO buffs can't be rolled off.

[keen canopy]

i mean it doesn't matter how many hammers of justice i cloak, im still losing the ret 1v1

[stoic spruce]

So real for that

[rose thorn]

I was in the ret disc yesterday they were talking about how they don’t have enough survivability vs casters 😭

[stoic spruce]

I mean

Let's be honest

They dont

But

BUT

[rose thorn]

neither do we 😭

[keen canopy]

yeah they dont but like should they

[stoic spruce]

They make their teammates Invincible and I hate them for it

[rose thorn]

No melee class does except maybe Druid

[stoic spruce]

Dk used to

Kept eating nerfs tho

[keen canopy]

im just saying if a priest wants to full heal somebody they have to swap but when a ret does it he has essentially no consequences

[rose thorn]

all I know is my fully geared sub rogue does the same dmg as the ret I boosted with green gear this update and it drives me insane

[keen canopy]

cant dh kill casters pretty well i thought that was like part of their shtick

[rose thorn]

I mean they can chase them well

[keen canopy]

well you get cheap shot and kidney shot so it TOTALLY balances it out

[rose thorn]

Lmaooooooo

[stoic spruce]

Gouge sap blind is pretty strong though

Let's not act like we got nothing lol

[rose thorn]

yeah and they get a aoe blind and 10 sec recharge stun just like cheap shot calling rogue op

[keen canopy]

ok yeah thats true

that's true searing is kinda some bs

[rose thorn]

It’s strong sure but they gave it to every other class

does any class have less than 3 stuns now

[keen canopy]

i mean theres gotta be one

[stoic spruce]

Gouge blind sap

[spring bough]

what is gouge

[stoic spruce]

Dk

[spring bough]

havent played that in 2 seasons

[stoic spruce]

Ret I think

Mages don't have a stun but they have every other dr

[keen canopy]

ret has AoE blind and Hoj
and then searing i guess but that's hardly a stun right

[stoic spruce]

He said stun

So

[keen canopy]

i assumed stun meant any loss of control effect

[rose thorn]

I did mean any loss of control

[stoic spruce]

If we're counting total CCs we'd be pretty high

[rose thorn]

well that’s our role id expect that

[stoic spruce]

Fs

I like being a CC bot but only when my spec is ACTUALLY FUN TO PLAY

Big difference

[keen canopy]

yeah outlaw in pvp is definitely tough

[rose thorn]

well it’s just annoying that they nerf our cc and increase everyone else’s at the same time

and increase everyone’s mobility at the same time

[stoic spruce]

It was just that good

In SL

Before it all happened

[keen canopy]

yeah not to mention buffing the mobility and cleave of other classes

[stoic spruce]

Mobility AND roots

[rose thorn]

the mobility is the real problem

[stoic spruce]

I love dk and I'll always be biased

But

Why do I have a root?

WoW needs it's CCs to be looked at again. You know things are bad when rogue, the king of CCs, Loses that title to specs with less CC AND NEEDS AN AOE BLIND IN PVE

[keen canopy]

idk all i know is that I really like the PvP in this game and yet nobody else does so now im in queue for 30 minutes

and whenever i see any question of "why dont you like WoW pvp" the answer the people give always dont make any sense

like i mean this reddit post i saw however long ago asking about why they don't pvp in WoW and the most common answer was they thought the gearing process for PvP was too daunting

which i dont see how that makes sense at all I find gearing for PvP in this game to be exceedingly easy

[stoic spruce]

I think it's just an excuse tbh

Maybe not an excuse but it def comes from a place of ignorance

And maybe a refusal to put forth the effort

To learn how to earn conquest and buy gear from a vendor

[keen canopy]

like if the most common answer was they think there is too much CC i guess i could understand that even though i don't agree at all

but GEARING
what are we even talking about guys

[stoic spruce]

At least make it believable

[keen canopy]

and as for "i would PvP in WoW but i just get stunned and die instantly because there is so much CC"
genuinely not sure how you have that issue
because i don't have that issue

the CC in Deadlock pisses me off more than the CC in WoW ya know

[spring bough]

arcane and outlaw

is S TIER PLUS

[dark kernel]

I got to play this in a shuffle last night. It's good shit

My arcane was a bot

Unholy DKs also no longer just die

[stoic spruce]

The CC only pisses me off when it makes me drop Adrenaline Rush and I still have a vanish charge because blizz thought it'd be funny to give mage/lock/druid every CC in the game

[keen canopy]

yeah druid having as much CC as they do is questionable

but like all of these presumably ret paladins on reddit complaining about CC in PvP
What are we even on about guys

[stoic spruce]

Yeah no

[keen canopy]

i mean maybe if you aren't pressing anything on your keyboard WoW has too much CC in PvP
but otherwise i think it's fine

[stoic spruce]

The only specs that can complain are outlaw, and fdk.

[keen canopy]

but maybe i'm just a delusional pvper who has gaslit themselves into thinking they like pvp and also roll the bones

[stoic spruce]

And healers

Rtb goated

Coolest ability in the game

[potent pivot]

ew

wtf ew

[stoic spruce]

It's got such character

[rose thorn]

Lmao fair I don’t play outlaw

[spring bough]

i second trickz here

[stoic spruce]

I thought the same thing but didn't want to encourage that conversation

[dark kernel]

Y'all living over here complaining about mages or druids

[rose thorn]

Damn guys alright

[dark kernel]

Shamans are disgusting creatures

[stoic spruce]

UR BAD

I kid

[stoic spruce]

Dude

[stoic spruce]

You know what meta pisses me off?

Resto shammy metas

[dark kernel]

This one

[keen canopy]

oh shamans aren't that bad relax

[dark kernel]

R sham hyper fucks me on outlaw and it synergizes awfully with us

Because they cap totem your DR

[rose thorn]

Season 1 priest

[keen canopy]

tell you what does piss me off though
pres evoker

[dark kernel]

I had an ele shaman yesterday

[stoic spruce]

Arcane/Hpriest 2s

Actually untouchable

[dark kernel]

That would relocate me with static, I kill static into cap totem, Into root totem

[stoic spruce]

4 grapples and 2 vanishes and I can't fuckin keep up

Blink

Root

Fear

Etc

Imma write a book

[spring bough]

i just said in WSG that im gonna hand off flag to our MW and our warrior goes... "what is MW?"

[stoic spruce]

He only knows two things

Zug zug

[keen canopy]

just gotta go priest i guess since you're never gonna touch the mage

maybe have it dampen a little
hit that priest with a good ol full kidney no trinket
and i think thats how you win that game

[spring bough]

"i just had a fat line and im about to fuck up the dps" LMAO this warrior

[dark kernel]

Damn dude is on line and it's early

[rose thorn]

Because they are old assess who’s ego lives in their mythic+ rating they usually suck at anything in the game that isn’t meant to be won

Like most PvP ppl aren’t pushing mythic raid their endgame is PvP while pve players never touch PvP that’s why classes like paladin got how they are bc most paladins aren’t even in PvP

[keen canopy]

yeah i guess that's true my PvE endgame is getting the mythic set transmog and doing Mythic+ every blue moon with my friends

[rose thorn]

Same I only do mythic content for transmog besides that it’s not fun imo and a lot of PvP ppl are like that we play the game completely diff than the majority

[covert raptor]

I think there's just a lot of super anxious people that get stressed out fighting other players instead of pve computers so they just give any excuse possible

[keen canopy]

like you know i don't play Mythic+ not because i don't like Mythic+ but because i just like PvP more

[keen canopy]

yeah i think thats pretty true

i know a guy like that for sure

[rose thorn]

And that’s why I don’t play pve bc I don’t wanna get yelled at lol

[covert raptor]

Not even trying to be mean but I think some people are just more susceptible to psyching themselves out and que anxiety. I was like this when I was younger so I get it

[gleaming sentinel]

Average fury warrior player

[covert raptor]

That's why none of the excuses really make sense

"I don't wanna play around cc!"

[keen canopy]

honestly if they just gave the excuse of "i dont wanna be sitting in no queue for 30 minutes" i would understand

[covert raptor]

"The gearing is too hard to get into!"

[rose thorn]

Well and another thing is the insane amount of addons pve players are using they will go to PvP and not have an alarm everytime something is coming for them

[covert raptor]

Meanwhile pve gearing is the most whack its ever been

[keen canopy]

yeah the reasonable excuse is never the one they give

[covert raptor]

This is totally true I forget about this cause I don't play with a lot of addons

[rose thorn]

Same I don’t either which is why I’m scared to push mythic stuff

I got 3 macros and like 5 addons that’s plenty for me 😭

[covert raptor]

That being said a lot of pvpers have add-ons like that too just for cds and Dr trackers and all that

[keen canopy]

thats true but is that really an issue with PvP or just an issue with WoW in general

i could say the same about PvE

[covert raptor]

Deff a wow issue

Which they're finally rectifying

Maybe

[keen canopy]

here's hoping

[rose thorn]

maybe

[keen canopy]

and like are the addons to trach Drs and cds REALLY that much
maybe it is from the outside idk i've been inside for a while
but from where i'm sitting it doesnt feel like that much

[rose thorn]

Difference is we have to wait for the cds to be used they are used to the addon telling them exactly when a cd is gonna be used

Or a mechanic I guess

we gotta figure that out ourselves

[keen canopy]

is it really so difficult to see "man that guy just casted arcane surge he's about to kick my ass"

[spring bough]

boys its gonna be a good PVP day. just had a MW in WSG that has a flag pickup macro and we SMOKED the enemy team. love to see it

[keen canopy]

or "that guy just casted true shot i gotta run for the hills"

[spring bough]

dropped this flag for MW when enemy sin rogue was on him and he still picked it up lol

[rose thorn]

I mean when they are used to a literal text popping up on their screen “run” yes

[spring bough]

6-3 in blitz and im somehow 1642... what kinda whacked MMR we dealing with here

[rose thorn]

What was your rating last season

[spring bough]

this a fresh toon but the other acct was like 2700

[rose thorn]

Oh idk then

[gleaming sentinel]

if you win your first couple its all gravy after that

but if you lose you're legit stuck in mordor

my alt lock unironically stuck at 1100 mmr

[dark moon]

Oh god

[gleaming sentinel]

meanwhile i am a 2800 player in blitz rofl

[keen canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/zuko-avatar-the-last-airbender-that's-rough-buddy-funny-reaction-gif-2143103825121898798

[dark moon]

There's no escaping hell hahah

[spring bough]

im 1-1 this week and im up like 300 rating

[gleaming sentinel]

dude i mean its really crazy,

healers wanting to defend LH instead of going lh

[dark moon]

How much points are you getting on a win at high mmr/cr? Last season i tried blitz and was playing around 2.4 mmr 1.5 cr and i started getting 12 pts per win and i said screw it

[gleaming sentinel]

after 1500 its around 10-30 pts maxx

if your mmr is way high it'll be 30

[rose thorn]

I think you get more towards the end of the season don’t you

[dark moon]

10 pts for almost 1k mmr difference from cr and sitting 15+ min queues is wild waste of time damn

Are you quing with healer?

Or duo

[spring bough]

love joining a solo after a 40 min que

to only have 5 people in the lobby and it instantly end

[potent pivot]

it should just go off mmr

[gusty hedge]

i got 36 points from W rating was 1725

[gleaming sentinel]

oh nice, ok cool

maybe i will q blitz this week lol

[gusty hedge]

this was also first week i havent qued since

[spring bough]

blitz rating gains are stupid rn

idk what it is lol

ill let u know what i get on my next since it should slow down now

[jolly sierra]

use the 1 button rotation

[spring bough]

why is there one outlaw on murlok playing trickster this season and it isnt me lol

[gleaming sentinel]

you betrayed it

[spring bough]

Blizz betrayed it

im in a feral, ret, fury lobby right now omg

and ofc a holy paladin

[potent pivot]

crazy how more assa rogues are still playing fatebound guys

so crazy

[spring bough]

fatebound still trucks

[keen canopy]

oh yeah can you still get some coin stacks and then one shot somebody

[spring bough]

i love getting a vanish aligned with adrenaline and ghostly popping it all and the match just ends

this ret just went 50% to 0 right then and there

[keen canopy]

thats pretty funny

[potent pivot]

the fact that there's 3 people playing improved poisons makes me gag irl

[spring bough]

What even is that

[rose thorn]

What are yall using for talents since murlok.io isn’t working

[potent pivot]

pins.. and it is working

[keen canopy]

what the hell is an improved poisons

[rose thorn]

what’s pins

[potent pivot]

its an assa tree talent that improves weapon poison damage by 5%

[keen canopy]

yeah thats what i thought

[potent pivot]

pinned messages in this channel

[rose thorn]

oh huge thanks

[keen canopy]

what the hell are they gaining from improved poisons

[rose thorn]

Wait it is working now??

[keen canopy]

2500 more damage from wound poison procs?

[potent pivot]

NOTHING l0l

[potent pivot]

sort of ye. but would recommend just using the builds in the pins

[grave basin]

is this season just DOA or what

lfg is fucking dead

[keen canopy]

its REAL

3 people

unbelievable

[potent pivot]

they likely assume it buffs KB damage by 5%..... but..... it doesn't....

[keen canopy]

"improves the application chance of your weapon poisons by 5%"

of course just what i needed

[grave basin]

ofc this guy applies

[potent pivot]

murlok is showing people as low as 2k because it's still early in the season, so just fair warning

this is the most egregious thing i see

[keen canopy]

what

are there even 7 people running cold blood

[potent pivot]

yes?

cold blood+inevitable end is very good for fatebound

[gleaming pawn]

Good ol high end pvpers that have no idea what their talents actually do

[potent pivot]

they're likely just defaulting to using CB on KB like we did in s1, but that just seems like a waste

you get more coin damage from using IE

CB->KB is like, aight, if you can manage lining it up on someone in execute

the extra coins are insane though

makes proc'ing lucky coin practically guaranteed

[keen canopy]

i just meant are the same people running cold blood running inevitable end
because i have seen similar things in other classes
where that is not the case
as in they have this hero talent
but don't get the benefit from it

[potent pivot]

there's 11 people running CB, 7 running IE

so like 4 people are kinda fuckin up, but really if you're running fatebound at all i'd suggest running CB+IE

i get what you're saying, like, the people not running CB at all just aren't running IE because that'd be pointless ofc

[spring bough]

how can rets lose game i really dont understand with 2 bubbles a 100% heal and infinite speed

[gleaming pawn]

If you aren’t running CB+IE why even play Fatebound honestly. It makes the tier set 4-piece a lot harder to hit and removes a ton of coin damage from your burst

[dark stump]

hmm didn't know sub rogue was a pve class

[potent pivot]

? sub is insane rn

[keen canopy]

well you just burn the bubble and the heal and have your friendly neighborhood mage spellsteal the blessing and then ban you smoke the ret nothing he can do

is how they usually lose in my experience anyway

[dark stump]

saw a vid of guy doing zero to hero on sub
was topping damage

but is it new to this season?

[potent pivot]

no

[gleaming pawn]

Without being too disparaging of people I don’t even know, I’d be willing to bet such bad talent choices just boils down to a fundamental misunderstanding of how the spec works and just playing on vibes

[potent pivot]

blizzard tries to make every spec in the game viable at all times in pve

even when something is "bad" it's like 2-3% behind in general performance

[keen canopy]

and i like to think they succeed for the most part

[spring bough]

i play on vibes all day

[rose thorn]

Bc they suck

Put all rogue players on ret and they’d nerf it in a day

[spring bough]

i logged out in a crazy build lastt night kinda surprised that murlok didnt catch it lol

only one playing KIR tho lol

[dark stump]

i wanted too
but losing my afternoon because i can't get in any +7 key
cause a bastard of a tank broke my +8 and +7 key

i hate pve

[dark stump]

i would say cap but i don't have any proof

[rose thorn]

The issue is the 2-3% difference is at the top levels with a small percentage of players that’s why most don’t agree

like paladins are gonna clap in 2k mmr but you get higher and they get less effective

[dark stump]

ret pala complaining about their class performance while still being the most played class

in pve*

[rose thorn]

They literally throw a fit anytime they aren’t top dps 😭

go look in their server it’s comedy

[spring bough]

outlaw >> sub

[neat dove]

does anyone know whether the Interloper's Reinforced Sandals work in PVP? Or do the Reshii wraps work in pvp?

[rose thorn]

Reshii does

I’d assume so do sandals but maybe I’m wrong just got them last night

[dark kernel]

They do just decreased

If you can eventually get the Mythic Sandals they would be BIS for pvp likely

[rose thorn]

What’s the bis dags since the conquest ones r crit

[dark kernel]

Just crafting with vers/mas

[rose thorn]

Thx

[dark kernel]

I'd use the crit ones to start

Stats aren't a huge problem right now

We're so deep into secondaries

[spring bough]

+30 from a win over 1600 just now

[potent pivot]

just buy the crit ones until you're fully geared

then use excess conq to craft new daggers

[potent pivot]

we were talking about pve performance

[wet crown]

Break crackshot and I will destroy you 😠

[rose thorn]

LMAO

alright guys I take it back

I just suck as outlaw too many bpm my pc can’t handle it 💀

[digital inlet]

i never knew how much cc was in the game till i started playing rogue

really eye opening class

[severe helm]

if youre smashing your shit praying for a crit youre playing outlaw very wrong haha

[rose thorn]

That’s exactly what I’m doing

[severe helm]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[spring bough]

bro i sat in 10 seconds of CC earlier today

i wanted to cry

no1 helped me out of any fears either

[digital inlet]

im getting tripple fears scattered trapped stunned repeat

LET ME PLAYYYYYYY

PLEEEASSSEEE

[rose thorn]

The druid laser beam Idek wtf it’s called is basically a fear too

ALWAYS casted on me always

[digital inlet]

this class is gross

nerf coin

[rose thorn]

Honestly I don’t have a problem w marksman that’s exactly how their class should play take away their dmg and they r useless

Maybe slightly less burst but I think they should always be known as the sniper that deletes u

[digital inlet]

still rather play it then a ret, they atleast die after turtle

gotta kill a ret like 3 times before then die

[sharp sierra]

ive been doing a lot of boomy/sin 2v2s and everytime we come across a ret i get so happy because its the only time i get to watch them blow up before they can press anything 😭

[digital inlet]

i always laugh when i see paladins die without pressing bubble or loh

[rose thorn]

Then they will say buff ret

[sharp sierra]

maybe i give outlaw another try

sin is getting a bit boring

[hardy hemlock]

is it just me or the FB 4p is trash for assa?

[potent pivot]

are you playing the correct build and aiming to proc lucky coins?

[hardy hemlock]

i'm not sure, is it the one pinned?

[potent pivot]

yes

if you aren't playing around it properly then yeah it's likely going to feel trash

gotta try to proc the fatebound capstone to utilize the 4p

[hardy hemlock]

i have no idea what I'm doing tbh

[potent pivot]

well

the goal is to proc the fatebound tree's capstone

which is much more reliable with the pinned fatebound build

make sure you read all the fatebound talents, i know they're a bit convoluted but yeh

[hardy hemlock]

isn't it just rng? or am i supposed to do a certain combo to maximize that

[potent pivot]

its basically guaranteed now

between the 2p effect on kingsbane and using Inevitable End+Cold Blood to make 2 envenoms proc coins, and the other fatebound talents that proc coins...

etcetc

[gleaming sentinel]

new drip, time to blitz

[sharp sierra]

what are you pressing after opener and lets say vanish is being held still? I feel kinda like im just pressing mutilate to envenom hoping for the best

[hardy hemlock]

you feel the energy missing when you don't have deeper stratagem tho

but stronger opener for sure

[potent pivot]

you shouldn't have any energy issues as assa

[sharp sierra]

guess that answers my question tbh

[potent pivot]

multi dotting = infinite energy

[sharp sierra]

i have a bad habit of spamming

when i have no subterfuge window

[hardy hemlock]

yeah i'm just trying on mannequins

[potent pivot]

you're not really going to just smash a max burst opener the first time you leave stealth as assa

you should be using your subterfuge window as always, trying to cleave/spread bleeds etc

[spring bough]

what even is that drip

[potent pivot]

once you have 2+ targets bled, you shouldn't ever really run into any energy issues

[gleaming sentinel]

Stukov vibes

[dark moon]

any day now

[stoic spruce]

Saw my wowhead channel lit up and it's just cross faction lfg

[indigo lava]

Hey mate , can you guide me for this week purchase ?
I got Hand/Leg Rings / Neck

[potent pivot]

just gotta check murlok.io and see what most people went for

[molten hedge]

Does anyone play assa boomie? It seems fun

[potent pivot]

lots of people doing different things

like if they pve to rush 4p etc

[potent pivot]

could craft boots or shoulders, etc.. decisions after week 1 are a lot less important, but honestly if you don't do any pve i think just save conq for 4set

[indigo lava]

So i have to go for chest or head piece

and crafting shoulder

[potent pivot]

You mean for 4set? Ye

[indigo lava]

Yes

[potent pivot]

Wait what spec are you playing

[indigo lava]

Assa

[gleaming sentinel]

@spring bough got pve helm, slapped conquest thing on it and took mythic pants and converted…. I have enough crests to fully upgrade

[potent pivot]

Kk. Then ye

[indigo lava]

im just doing PVP

[potent pivot]

Yeah I was just making sure you weren’t playing outlaw

Because the gearing is a bit different for law

[spring bough]

baller

[indigo lava]

btw im playing deathstalker , and im stuck at 2.2k for more than 200 games ! , what do you think? should i try fatebound?

[potent pivot]

Up to you really, 2.2k is pretty decent this early in the season

Fatebound is pretty good still imo

A bit chiller to play etc

You just gotta play the correct build and focus on maximizing coin flips

[indigo lava]

I’ve never tried it before, so I have no idea about the mechanism you’re talking about.

[potent pivot]

It’s the main thing that fatebound does, it procs coin flips which do damage and other stuff

Just read through the fatebound tree a bit

With 2p KB helps proc em, and they proc off finishers etc. the goal is to match up to like 7 coin flips to proc the capstone etc

[dark stump]

this game got a beef with me

[dark stump]

pvp is dead now

[fresh ermine]

Whats a good ranged spec

[late oriole]

For my outlaws, what are the first conquest armor pieces yall are buying?

I guess I could check murlock and just do the non-tier set ones

[dark stump]

a good ranged spec is a dead one

joke apart depend your play style

[dark kernel]

Everything but gloves will turn into tier

Helm and shoulders are best pieces

[spring bough]

chest is haste/verse for tier

ight boys. is the alt for the season gonna be hunter, DK or DH

[late oriole]

marksman hunter for me

[spring bough]

so a UHDK, FDK, and a fury warrior walk into a solo with an outlaw with two disc healers..... oh man

[dark kernel]

Tbh that lobby could be a toss up rn

[spring bough]

im getting boned

UHDK first 2 rounds died

[dark kernel]

Fury warriors are deleting me in seconds

It feels like season 1 again where if you don't insta evasion when they touch you it's -50%

[spring bough]

yeah DKs rushed war

he didnt do anything

and he is dead and im screwed again

oh nvm war just stopped playing last 2 round

nice 1-5 after war goes 4 wins first four rounds and then doesnt play the last 2..... bros about to catch a report

[digital inlet]

i love when that happens

they destory my team then just forget what their class does on mine

[spring bough]

he didnt even play

he just sat in the opening and got 100% to 0 pressed no buttons

[digital inlet]

idk what these people are doing today i had a dh afk first half of round then he came back then the evoker healer just started flying around the fuckin arena like hes running circles in oribos or some shit

like hello???

[spring bough]

yeah thats my last solo for the day lmao

time to reroll DH and just delete people in 2 buttons

[digital inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

rogue players this season

[spring bough]

i just saw legion remix is on the PTR

about to go play that till Midnight

[dark kernel]

He 100% knew someone on the other team and was gifting them wins those rounds

I am 99% sure I had a scripting arcane mage yesterday

Was mad unfunny

He would instantly DB me when I pressed vanish

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ve seen some really suspect ring of peace gameplay

Guy rolling toward my team while i grapple passed him to sap and the millisecond i sap a ring peace knocks me out. He’s not looking my direction

[spring bough]

+33 from a 1670 win

blitz is doing good today... and FK solo for now lol

[indigo hill]

He probably placed the ring the same time you sapped.

[spring bough]

bout to relevel a dark iron hunter and go survival cause it seems even more fun this season with tier and stampede

[dark kernel]

I want to play my furry hunter this season

uWu

[exotic dove]

DPS to healer ratio healers have insta qs unless rank 1 range

[dark moon]

cant wait for resto rogue spec in 2045

[late oriole]

I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel

from everything they've said I get strong vibes outlaw will be one of the big reworks in midnight

of course, knowing blizz, they could make it worse

[spring bough]

Maybe by the last part of the trilogy we will be S tier

[exotic dove]

Blitz has now been the longest Q of the season so far probably doesnt matter if I swapped to Sub either.

This is after resetting the q

too

So its been an hour

[hollow carbon]

Blitz is even more a meme bracket than shuffle 😅

[daring plover]

how could they improve Blitz? I was intrigued by the idea initially but the queue times makes it pretty lack luster.

[vast wadi]

As a healer I hate any battleground that isn't carts so I just don't queue it

[pale storm]

What’s your mmr? It’s super early for blitz Qs

If NA

[exotic dove]

2200 mmr but its not a favorite of mine Im just doing it cause its the weekly and bg week

Its the gamble bracket

Make that 2150 mmr now since the FC on my team doesnt know how to stay on cap

and lines healers to die

[dark kernel]

This is hilarious, because everyone was excited to play blitz since healers were more powerful

[exotic dove]

If I end up liking my hpriest I am leveling I know I will not like blitz based on what I have seen so far

I rather shuffle or do anything else

[vast wadi]

CTF is honestly my least favorite mode in any game

[spring bough]

When outlaw rework

[gusty hedge]

2 fatebound 1 trickster 1 fatetrick
in stealth +10% haste buff

no haste buff (main atm)

[spring bough]

That’s a lot of rogues god damn lol

[digital inlet]

do you enjoy pain?

[spring bough]

KIR 1/2 FTH and 1/2 take em by surprise is actually real good in games

[dark kernel]

Brother don't you have like 20 rogues

[spring bough]

Yeah but I’m only playing one right now lol

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-10938791646615516702

[neat dove]

i got pve 4 set, chest, legs, shoulder HC, head champion, feel a bit squishy should I replace them with honour gear until I got conquest for adding 723 modifier?

[hallow crescent]

is fatebound build still the best for assa?

[waxen meteor]

Tier set is just okay.
There's no need to force tier sets with low item level

[neat dove]

kinda intrigued to try trickster in pvp lmao, their set bonus seems better

but ok thanks!

[potent pivot]

its still fine

both are really

[lone cypress]

for sin is there a clear BiS to target for which slots we use to achieve for the 4set? seeing different pieces all across murlok.io

[exotic dove]

I play deathstalker as Assa now but for sub I am curious about trying trickster just to see how it interacts with four set since my main has it

[gleaming pawn]

Everything but shoulders

[gleaming pawn]

It’s breaks a lot of CC, but can still be good in the right circumstances

[exotic dove]

Yeah the cc breaking is the bad part

I more just want to try it I will probably be deathstalker with sub like I did last season too

[slate crest]

Hi guys, I've started 3s with my friends and we're playing assa affli. Could you please explain what our general game plan?
Should we setup cc chain or we can just cleave and stun occasionally?

[potent pivot]

all but shoulders. people on murlok right now are going to be using random pieces, like whatever they can get from pve/vault, etc.. because its still so early.

can't really put TOO much stock into murlok stuff first month or two of a season because most of these guys just copy each other and there's no set 'bis' or 'best build'

[lone cypress]

ok but how am i supposed to play the game if i cant minmax decimal points and copypaste every possible decision node

[stoic spruce]

You play pve

[exotic dove]

Not sure why the picture is so small but hopefully it can be read

[jolly sierra]

screen resolution

happened the same w my old notebook

[exotic dove]

Just weird never had that happened before Its on my 24 inch monitor

[outer sky]

wait so whats the 1 piece we dont tier as assa?

[exotic dove]

shoulders

[outer sky]

ty

[exotic dove]

yw

Break it to me easy guys once you crest into 2200 are the qs long or am I still good

Been enjoying the 10 min qs

for shuffle

Also why is that screenshot clear and the other one wasnt lol

[outer sky]

is that shuffle?

[exotic dove]

yeah

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

I'm 2551 in shuffle as assa rogue and i wait like 15-20 ish

sometimes a bit longer

but I havent had one of those horrid 1 hour long queues yet

[exotic dove]

ok cool

I had to deal with long qs last season lol

[outer sky]

same

its awful

[exotic dove]

Its why I am not being as aggressive with early qing

[outer sky]

youre gunna get those queue times one way or another

[grave basin]

20-30mins as usual

depends on what time you queue

i had to do keys yestd night cause lfg was completely abandoned so cant conquest cap

everyone was crate farming instead

i guess ill do the bg/blitz weekly for conquest

[outer sky]

singular focus can be parried now?

[dark kernel]

I just got 4pc Fatebound and I can wholeheartedly say, I have NO idea how this functions in pvp

It doesnt just randomly decrease the cooldown, the tooltips dont show a decrease, when I proc coins I never see a cooldown decrease

[grave basin]

well in pvp that would be 10/5

you need to proc a lucky coin ( same flip 7x)

[dark kernel]

yeah i get that

but it can only pop once right until you leave combat?

so that means 10 seconds of CD off AR and 5 off Ghostly in pvp

its actually like hightail useless

[acoustic junco]

there's no limit on it

because your vanishing

[grave basin]

gotta ask vancleef

he has 4pc so he's probably tried it a bunch already

[acoustic junco]

ah screw it read that wrong. there's no proc once. you can proc it multiple times

actually you might be right. I just tested that out with coldblood. I don't think it works when you already have lucky coin

[potent pivot]

wot

iirc it doesn't work like most CDR, where the proc just minuses X cooldown from your current running cooldown. it actually changes the base CD of the spell by X, it's odd

[unique garnet]

Question for the outlaw pvpers

Sword+dagger or sword sword

[grave basin]

triple ret lobby lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

i swear we're very close to retpocalypse levels of representation

i played 2 shuffles yestd and both had a ret as well

[grave basin]

how do you deal with this shit

[potent pivot]

doesn't really matter

as long as the stats are aight it's w/e

crit/vers axe and dagger with wep tokens

[unique garnet]

Cause i saw a post idk how up to date it was saying outlaw needed sword dag cause the offhand created more energy

Ah this

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1gmsans/why_do_outlaw_rogues_use_a_dagger_in_the_offhand/

[potent pivot]

everything about a faster offhand is "normalized" other than weapon poison procs. the person that said it gives more energy is incorrect.

the only benefit of using a dagger(faster) offhand is stacking wound/crippling poisons ever so slightly faster. it's like a 0.1% damage increase because poison damage for outlaw is kind of a meme, like with wound poison in general.

one could argue that faster stacking of wound/crippling is a good thing, which i would agree, but the difference is just so miniscule that even in pve a lot of outlaw players just use the offhand that fits their transmog preferences lol.

[unique garnet]

I just see a ton of peps in murlockio use it so I thought it might be good but seems I should of bought a axe for the mog

[potent pivot]

yeh some of them might be operating on that incorrect information about the energy thing who knows

a lot of people don't really look into things like that they just make assumptions

[unique garnet]

You know solo shuffle has taught me one thing

Most people cant read

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

have you tried lfr dimensius

actual soul sucking experience

[grave basin]

also youd be surprised at how many people just turn off chat in shuffle

iirc there's even an addon just for that

[exotic dove]

Mythic plus saved me 875 conquest this week thanks to vault

Just need more guilded to upgrade it but its higher than the honor chest I had

[exotic dove]

Just did a key its now 723

got enough gilded

[outer sky]

I had bleeds on everything already idk what he thinks i can do by staying in

it was against RMP too so I feel like if I cant do anything then staying in is just making myself a target idk

[hollow carbon]

Do you guys found some scenarios where you decide to pick FB or DS?

Against melees I am thinking about going DS mostly and for casters or more isolated targets I go for FB so far

[outer sky]

i havent found a situation yet where it feels better taking FB. MAYBE against frost mages

[hollow carbon]

Or against several paladins

[hollow carbon]

Yeah something like that

It loses a lot of value when everyone is just stacking

[potent pivot]

seems like everyone else is running it, i think its still good

[outer sky]

theyre running fatebound?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[outer sky]

wtf lol

thats so troll

that will almost certain change soon

[potent pivot]

i swear its good

[potent pivot]

idk bout that

[outer sky]

are they running kingsbane too?

[potent pivot]

ya

[outer sky]

basically is it the cheese build from before the nerf?

just less cheesy

[potent pivot]

yeah

cold blood+inevitable end, KB+MA

[outer sky]

yeah that aint gunna last.

[potent pivot]

i think you'll be surprised

[outer sky]

i mean maybe idk how good 4set will be

[potent pivot]

even not considering 4set

if you play it properly you guarantee lucky coin etc

guaranteed +7% agi is good, plus the coin damage itself

[modest ore]

is there a gap in sub cheap shot rotation?

i cant seem to fit in the cs > evis> ss > evis > cs >evis > cs

[outer sky]

guess we'll have to see. but i know every time i get kingsbane'd now it just tickles

i doesnt chunk at all

like

at all

[potent pivot]

It’s not really about the kingsbane damage

[outer sky]

then why take kingsbane

[potent pivot]

KB still contributes to the overall dps ofc, but

[potent pivot]

Because it interacts with the tier set

[potent pivot]

No, your main goal is to not let there be a gap

[potent pivot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WAVWeKeyYMk?si=ugWHJZwXOf3D9YDo

Here’s an example

Ignore the rupture and sepsis, that’s changed since the video was made

[modest ore]

i feel like theres lag in the overworld dueling or something

its just not timing correctly

my friend can just always move a little inbetween

oh nvm.... pallys have a talent that reduces stun cc

[hollow carbon]

Against isolated targets you can burst them really good, def got some clean kills with it. But as I said, if ppl stack you won’t get much value.

If you can commit meld or vanish with the combo ppl go down from 80 to 0

[modest ore]

shiv + kingsbane with ur rupture and garrote does crazy dmg

[outer sky]

idk i'll have to see it to believe it. One of y'all queue into me a global me

[exotic dove]

I dunno I stuck with Deathstalker and still climbign wth four set I dont really see fatebound atm but maybe I will later I dont nkow

[outer sky]

ive queued into 7 assa rogues tn and none of them did any damage but they were all playing KB

[hollow carbon]

Its during a cheap or kidney stun since its more like 3-4 globals

The KB is really just there to get flips for coins

[modest ore]

@outer sky go watch pikaboo playing ass

pops ppl

[hollow carbon]

Pikaboo is mostly popping noobs tho or

Or does he play high rated on stream now?

[modest ore]

no clue last time i saw his shuffle rating it was like 2.1

[hollow carbon]

Yeah..

Right now ppl don’t react properly since they don’t expect any burst dmg from sin

[outer sky]

pika also murders everyone even when his class/spec is terrible

idk how he does it

[hollow carbon]

He gets creative

[sharp sierra]

First few weeks he doesn’t play main he just messes around on classes which to be fair he’s a beast on multiple classes game mechanic wise. Usually by the end of each season he just pushes for #1 on 3 different rogues like he in DF

[hollow carbon]

Yeah I know, but most often I find clips or anything it’s against 1.8 players. Which ofc looks different than playing against higher rated opponents

[sharp sierra]

Totally agree

[covert raptor]

KB also nice because of its cd. Sub 2min cds are really strong in general rn due to pacing of the game. Waiting for death Mark really sucks

[exotic dove]

That and Deathmark sucks in pvp

Kingsbane is not bad though

or at least not as bad

[stoic spruce]

imma say it

Glad set is better than eilite set

[grave basin]

truly a dangerous and wild take (it's not)

[stoic spruce]

its just better

also

this seasons aspirant set is kinda mid ngl

[grave basin]

since when do aspirant sets look good though

[stoic spruce]

a while

[grave basin]

i dont even remember a single aspirant set

[stoic spruce]

since S1 DF

[grave basin]

theyre all bleh

[stoic spruce]

nah

thats just misinformation on your part

I bet you didnt even look at them and just went straight to the transmog

[orchid plinth]

This is true

[sick wasp]

@potent pivot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4L2-kKNZfg

[stoic spruce]

kir fucks

[exotic dove]

I tried fatebound assa in 2sand I have to say not a fan I think Deathstalker is still better imo

for me anyway

Ill mess with it some more

Ok then

Bye Bye hunter

I now see why I basically did 14 mil damage in 3 seconds I literally did a sub rogue in a bomb to a hunter but as Assa. Fatebound and four set

[grave basin]

I will forever be thankful for mending bandage

[dark stump]

pala , DH said cap

[exotic dove]

It is definitely close to what I can do as Sub.

That being said Sub can do it without having to worry about caut flame bop or mending bandage or dwarf racial

removing damage

also it was in a bomb and hunter had no trinket

Well actually BOP is effective with sub but it doesnt remove dance or blades

[dark stump]

ok MM hunter was crazy

[sick wasp]

yup,Surv and Mage all 3 specs and Destrolock and war both fury and ms

[dark stump]

but i don't know why the DR didn't pre cast explo shot at the same time with Aimed

[sick wasp]

MM doubletapped and proc'd as well all crits

[dark stump]

maybe i will try SV once i stop pve on hunter

[sick wasp]

because explosive explodes the same time as AS lands most likely

[dark stump]

yes then more damage

[sick wasp]

more burst

yup

[waxen needle]

Is 4set on outlaw in pvp actually good? Do we want it or just 2set?

[keen canopy]

well the dh set just looks like garbage to be fair

sorry about it

i mean the individual pieces are great for sure
but the set
im not feeling it

paladin is pretty great though

[dark stump]

https://tenor.com/view/exorcism-father-mulvehill-evil-z-is-for-zombies-get-out-evil-spirit-gif-468896802094846995

[dark stump]

pretty ?

which one do you think is the best ?

[keen canopy]

the best elite set? that's a tough one i would have to really think about that

here let me open the game to look at them

[potent pivot]

May as well go 4set regardless because stats don’t really matter for outlaw so anything is just extra damage

[keen canopy]

Rogue Warrior Priest

i would probably say one of those depending on how im feeling at the moment

at this moment im feeling warrior

[dark stump]

i want to do a joke about war set but let's say i can't see him at night

[keen canopy]

priest one is really great
but the mythic priest set is better

but thats just because priest never gets a bad set

except last season for some reason

but even then the normal coloration for that set is fine

[dark stump]

finally

[sick wasp]

what do you think about sub

hit me

[pliant lintel]

extra CDR on AR is nice as without AR you're not killing shit, damage is dog as is

[stoic spruce]

you need any and all cdr on adrenaline rush as possible

[pliant lintel]

Sub is alright just have to be clever and use your toolkit and track a few things but you have to rely on people not ruining Stun DR’s

[sick wasp]

im trying to fish a reaction out of stealthi brother,ik very well where sub stands atm 😉

[gusty hedge]

why are most paladins so toxic?

[gleaming sentinel]

Full mastery outlaw midnight, I had a dream

[stoic spruce]

Anything is possible

Mastery has always been a good fallback just in case because it's always just okay

[gleaming sentinel]

Mastery also increases pistol shot between the eyes and killing spree dmg

I’m cooked

[stoic spruce]

Oh boy

Yeah

Go back to sleep lol

[gleaming sentinel]

🤝

[stoic spruce]

Dream of SL outlaw

In midnight

[dark kernel]

Last night I watched a bit of Val
Dude is running 44% versatility on outlaw

I guess having more haste could be a waste. And that would at least completely deter you from being a kill Target

But geez that's a lot of diminishing returns

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I mean stats don’t matter nearly as much as decision making, there are so many secondary stats this season

[spring bough]

Feels good

[spring bough]

Yeah as long as out mastery passive gets changed from MG I’d do that

[spring bough]

Fucks hard

[spring bough]

Yeah just need the shoulder smoke for glad set and rocking that all season when it’s unlocked 🔥

[dark kernel]

Van

I have played 4set fatebound all yesterday and part tuesday

I literally cannot tell if this shit even does anything

[grave basin]

1900 mmr btw

[grave basin]

isnt this just 2.5k io

[dark kernel]

Yeah or elite

[grave basin]

how is that even on par

2.5k is so easy wtf

ive barely done anything on my hunter and im alrdy 2.2

[dark stump]

it's hunter pve

[dark stump]

how did it end ?

[spring bough]

3k IO or PvP elite to unlock

So you need to mostly have 13/14s for 3k io

[dark stump]

for mount ?

[dark stump]

i can't even get in +7

[spring bough]

3k IO gives u a mount yeah. But 3k IO or 2.4K elite also unlocks the shoulder smoke for all classes across ur account

[dark stump]

can you show a screen of it ?

[spring bough]

Brother what idek what that means lol

[dark stump]

of shoulder smoke i never saw one so idk what it's xD

[spring bough]

It’s the smoke coming off the elite rogue set or the mythic set in the transmog view. It unlocks that on every recolo so you’ll have 2 shoulders to choose from

[grave basin]

look at mythic set

[dark stump]

ooh that

[grave basin]

you get that same particle effect on the helm/shoulders

for all your sets

including normal/lfr etc

[dark stump]

how is s3 going for you ?

on survival

[dark stump]

would be rlly good for rogue normal raid set

[dark moon]

2.5k which is all 10s timed mostly.

[grave basin]

this week im getting weapons on my 3 toons

and waiting for tuning next week before queueing shuffle

i cba with 3x ret lobbies

im already getting 2x ret in 2s at 1900 which is insane

[dark stump]

pve ?

[grave basin]

?? pvp

[dark moon]

Are rets getting nerfed, cause they are in my lobby nonstop

[grave basin]

conquest weapons

[dark stump]

oh that's true it's this week

rip can't pvp on the current set up

[grave basin]

yea it;s fast in 2s

then i can chill doing m+

my sv is 2.2k io, im trying to push atleast 2 toons to 3k io and 2.4k shuffle

got to admit ww feels like complete ass cake this season

all these arcane mages/rets/hpals

every lobby is just waddling simulator

every lobby slicing winds bugs out and i dont have a tier set

[dark stump]

lowest played spec in pve too

[grave basin]

pve balance isnt too concerning

a class can put out big numbers but still

"feel bad" to play

[dark stump]

in pvp i didn't see yet but it seems the tier set is weird

[grave basin]

tier set for shadow pan requires perma uptime

but you have terrible uptime in most lobbies

[dark kernel]

WW still pumps. It's the only class I have in my games out DPSing ret as a melee

[grave basin]

yea i just addressed that

lol

[vocal surge]

Enemy Comp: Boomy x2
Assa: "This lobby messed up"
Me: "Ohhhh! 2 whole chickens for dinnah, fine dining!"

My Ret Pal teammate was more geared than the enemy ret pal

He sucked

Used his entire kit faster than the weaker ret pal

[jolly sierra]

@spring bough yesterday had my first rogue SS in the season, was against a warr, a surv and a ww

5-1 baby

XD

[spring bough]

Damn you sound like an outlaw 🏴‍☠️

[vocal surge]

Aye

[jolly sierra]

was full assa

but as panda so i have the challenge XD

[grave basin]

im gonna try one more shuff with weapons now

as ww

ok crate farming is OP

[jolly sierra]

ye i went SS after getting the wep

not before

that made a very big difference

[waxen meteor]

Guys is it 550 conquest a week right?

[gleaming pawn]

Yes that is the pitifully low cap on conq per week

[waxen meteor]

OK, just calculating my last conquest redeem

[spring bough]

Think it’s up to 600 a week

[waxen meteor]

it's 2800 now so 1600+600+600 makes sense

[rose thorn]

U can also use bloody tokens while waiting to fill spots farm crates it’s ez

[gray dune]

i sure do love sitting in que for blitz only to just lose because people dunno what they doin lol

[grave basin]

4 set shadow pan

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[jolly sierra]

what bout conduit?

[dark moon]

What is that

[grave basin]

using the war crates

you join a raid and they use an addon that syncs all the zones together

so you just go zone to zone collecting the crates for 60 conquest per crate with zero pvp invovled

it's guaranteed too so you dont have to join lfg and play with yolos

4m fist ticks btw

ww might not be dog afterall

[dark moon]

I faced ww on 2.1k mmr last night on my demo lock and the guy was destroying me

[grave basin]

i feel like i always have SEF up which is crazy

cause of this

by 1 second*

[dark kernel]

Literally outlaw

Monk has lots of issues and a lot of developer hate

But I am not naive to the fact that WW is mega bullshit with the fact every ability they have can have modifiers to make them hurt like shit

Storm Earth and fire with conduit

I've had WWs finish shuffle rounds that aren't 30 seconds with 2.5m dps

[shy sapphire]

as sub rogue should I buy both crit daggers? and if I have tset from pve is it worth converting the 4p?

[jolly sierra]

ive thrashed a lot of people with the monk and barely geared

its very easy to pull big dps

[late oriole]

Is there some place I can look at 1v1 matchups with outlaw and other specs? I'd like to know tips and tricks for when I am facing against a marksman hunter or an arms warrior

[keen canopy]

what build you running

[carmine sequoia]

Would a full mastery build without crack shot work in pvp or it would be trash?

Talking about outlaw

[terse cedar]

feels like I also run out of energy super super easy

[lone cypress]

^same question for myself, same build except ive got the Inevitable End in fatebound tree

damage is always lowest in the lobby, sometimes closer than others, always feel energy starved

[keen canopy]

well i would probably recommend Inevitabile End if you're gonna be running Cold Blood

[lone cypress]

only use thistle macrod to shiv, spread crimson tempest on multiple targets with decent uptime

feels like half my matches are me waiting to regen enough energy to spam another mut because i still need to build combo points for ramp

[keen canopy]

yeah energy as assassination can sometimes feel low you really gotta have all your bleeds up on everybody to get max energy from Venomous Wounds

[terse cedar]

exact same as me, lowest dmg lobby always, just cant KILL people, and energy is so low

[keen canopy]

but sometimes there are still moments where you just sit there and have low energy for a bit

[lone cypress]

should we be really going out of our way to multidot everyone with rupture/garrot etc before trying to set up a real burst window on our kill target? or do you just mean like crimson tempest

[terse cedar]

I try and keep dots up on everyone, garrote and ruptures, but still just feel USELESS

[keen canopy]

well crimson tempest doesn't apply to venomous wounds
i would say setting up a burst window is more important but you have to make sure you'll have the energy to actually do something in that window to your fullest ability otherwise you'll just be sitting there auto attacking and they never die

assassination can definitely feel rough in pvp though since you don't run caustic spatter and the limited targets make energy regen a lot lower

so sometimes you do just end up in moments where you have to wait

[terse cedar]

is sub better rn

?

[keen canopy]

i definitely prefer sub but i don't know whether i would say either sub or assassination is better

but you feel the kill pressure more in sub i think

assassination has more consistent damage while sub has more burst

so it sort of depends on what you're looking for

[terse cedar]

btw what do you thinks better, deathstalker or fatebound, people seem to be running both

[keen canopy]

i prefer fatebound even after they nerfed it but deathstalker is definitely good

[terse cedar]

man I see assa rogues at 2400 rating, but It feels IMPOSSIBLE to win eventhough im only 1600

[keen canopy]

well im sure a lot of them got there running fatebound 1 shots before they nerfed it if that makes you feel any better

now that i think about it maybe deathstalker is better since we got 4pc this week idk

especially since fatebound 4pc is ya know the way it is

[terse cedar]

I oly got 2 piece

since I just started playin

[keen canopy]

yeah my assassination rogue doesn't have 4pc either so idk only my sub rogue does

all this to say you can still burst as assassination but it definitely requires some setup

like getting darkest night or coins

[lone cypress]

is there something more optimal im supposed to be doing to chase Fateful Ending via edge case/death mark flips and the set bonus?

[covert raptor]

My sin games seem like wins are more dependent on fucking with the healer and not letting them play the game rather than a crazy one shot

[late oriole]

Outlaws, when are yall popping AR in BG Blitz?

kind of hard to keep it up for me in this environment (3 out of 5 rogues have this problem)

[exotic current]

beginner friendliest spec?

[spring bough]

For rogue? That’s tough lol. Prob sub or sin

[lone cypress]

what exactly do we do as sin to fuck with healers?

i try to open fights with the blackjack debuff on them when we're pumping someone else, i blind to create pressure, and smoke for obvious moments

other than that it feels like completely random if the fight positioning happens in a way where its convenient to kick/gouge them, and if i have a ton of setup i might throw kidney on them while a teammate goes ham on a kill target

am I supposed to be an APM god to shadowstep across arena into their cast, kick, and step back, like on cooldown?

[dark kernel]

Your silence is an entire extra DR of CC to use that no other rogue spec has

[lone cypress]

from vanish garrote windows you mean?

[dark kernel]

You can literally stun a target for 6 seconds, then silence for 6 seconds after a vanish for 12 seconds of CC and that's just 2 abilities

Not counting sap or blind

[jolly sierra]

fatebound is turning into the FOTM for assas lol

imo will be the nerf magnet soon

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it’s good enough to get nerfed again

[keen canopy]

yeah it's sort of on par with deathstalker i'd be surprised if it got nerfed again

[exotic current]

so outlaw my fav is the hardest? im cooked fr

[keen canopy]

well nothing new

[exotic current]

i love the roll the dice vibes lol

sub is more aggressive assa is passive innit?

[spring bough]

You’ll be good with outlaw just let it rip but the rolls and the vanishes and all that might take a second to get down

[jolly sierra]

well, i think gotta post this shit daily till ret get nerfed

[potent pivot]

You can get to certain ratings regardless of stuff like stats/builds if you’re good at the game your skill kinda just carries you, but it’d definitely be a fair amount worse damage wise

[potent pivot]

[exotic current]

a good guide you can recommend i rlly wanna learn it bad down but im giga new to ALL of this..

[jolly sierra]

gotta do it from now forward, so dont get surprised later XD

[spring bough]

Idk if there’s really a video guide just take a look at the pins in the outlaw channel for the vanish rules and such. Then the outlaw faq has stuff on the bones rolls

[potent pivot]

You can follow the #outlaw-faq or the wowhead pve guide to learn how to do damage

It’s practically identical to pvp for general rotation stuff

[dark kernel]

I'ma be real. The fatebound nerfs hurr a lot more now realizing our 4pc is non-existent in pvp

[potent pivot]

Just gotta learn how/when to cc and use defensives etc

[dark kernel]

Someone needs to make a weakaura with the code for that passive to track it popping in arena

I'm confident it doesn't, or is so minimal it's negligible

[potent pivot]

have you guys tried running inevitable end+cold blood like assa? i'm assuming not

[dark kernel]

I did on ptr with full set I haven't tried it since

I don't know how that may make the 4pc better? I guess it would guarantee proc or something?

[potent pivot]

outlaw casts more finishers etc so i'm not sure its even needed/worth but yeah

should be able to force the lucky coin procs with it

[dark kernel]

I could try it.

I recorded a little gameplay and went back and tried to see the set bonus go off, and honestly I couldn't

[potent pivot]

if you proc'd lucky coin at all then the 4set should have done its thing

[waxen meteor]

lol i didn't realize 4 tier is that short cd reduction in arena

[dark kernel]

That's what I'd think too I'ma try some more man, but I'm legit not confident

I've asked around and to be honest most people do not know how it functions.

[potent pivot]

afaik it shortens the actual cooldown of the spells

instead of just minusing X seconds from the current running cooldown

it's a weird way to implement CDR

[sick wasp]

assassination for rogue but should try ret paladin or hunter

[potent pivot]

yeah i don't think cold blood+inevitable end is even needed to guarantee lucky coin

assuming you can get good sequences without getting CC'd to oblivion? hmm

[keen canopy]

yeah you can just Adrenaline Rush ghostly strike BTE and thats an instant coin

[dark kernel]

So I know about this but I didn't think removing stealth aura was necessary?

Just that AR and GS insta pop coins

[potent pivot]

i'm not 100% sure if using the macro is like, a requirement, or if you can just open with a spell into ADR+GS etc

[exotic current]

ret and hunter were giga boring ngl im a rogue/ninja type ish guy

[sick wasp]

happy to read about it

ild say assassination

also try feral

its not as easy as ret or hunter but pumps

[keen canopy]

you can but it's kinda inconsistent without a macro

[covert raptor]

Every vanish window you have a set up between cheap, Garrote silence. Should have everyone dotted before hand. Then your kidney/gouge/blind ontop of all that while you're bursting in smoke is incredibly hard to deal with. If you haven't played healer or caster it's hard to convey just how powerful silence from garrote is

[keen canopy]

thats true the best thing i ever did for my rogue gameplay was play a priest

[molten hedge]

As Assa fatebound is there anything I need to play around or do I just kinda play the game as normal. I feel the need to envenom more than I did with DS

[potent pivot]

can mostly just play, but you kinda want to use 2 cold blood envenoms when you do your KB/KB+DM

the goal is to maximize coin flips and go for lucky coin proc etc

[molten hedge]

Ahh ok gotcha

[molten hedge]

Does 4 set give the full CDR or is it nerfed in PvP

For KB and DM

[keen canopy]

nerfed

[molten hedge]

Ahh shucks

[acoustic junco]

I just had arcane mage/prot paladin/dk in my shuffle. that's kind of a backbreaker

[molten hedge]

Realistically how often are you guys getting a lucky coin in a shuffle?

[potent pivot]

iirc you should be able to every KB/CB if you get off enough stuff

DM+KB it should be easy enough

[molten hedge]

Is the time reduced by 33% or 50% in arena

The CDR

[potent pivot]

reduced TO 33% afaik

they said all tier sets would be nerfed by 33% this season, but the spell data shows that they are nerfed TO 33% meaning they're nerfed BY 66%

[molten hedge]

Oh lawt

[final kite]

Using the macro like that takes advantage of a bug afaik

[potent pivot]

they made all tier sets extremely strong this season

so it doesn't matter imo

[molten hedge]

So realistically you might get dmark back 20 secs sooner

If u get 2 lucky coins

Am I understanding that correctly

In a ~2 min shuffle

[potent pivot]

I’m not 100% sure, haven’t been able to test 4 set myself yet

It can also double proc

It’s got a couple bugs

[molten hedge]

Understood Ty!

[potent pivot]

By double proc I mean it can -20s in 1 proc

I worded it poorly mb

[late oriole]

What PVP Items are we crafting as Outlaw?

Just made an Algari Competitor's Signet with my embellishment and wondering what 2nd should be

[potent pivot]

Just use your 9 free heraldries on neck/2 rings

[late oriole]

Can I equip the same kind of crafted ring twice? Algari Competitor's Signet?

[potent pivot]

Ya

[late oriole]

will do though

[potent pivot]

Make sure you put embellishments on 2 things

[late oriole]

putting Elemental Focusing Lens on both my rings is the plan

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

Don’t try playing a real rng spec

[gleaming sentinel]

[potent pivot]

shaman specs

outlaw's variance is pretty low

but

i don't think you can really consider cleaving pets as 'rng' per se

ele and enh are heavily proc dependent specs, unless thats changed recently

[gleaming sentinel]

Seems like a little bit of cap bro ngl. It’s a consistent dmg control spec. We’re a support spec homie

[potent pivot]

i mean yeah if you're talking about a 5 second window most specs are going to be effected by rng for that dmg

[gleaming pawn]

This is how Killing Spree has functioned since it was first introduced in WotLK, if you’re worried about cleaving then use flurry. Nothing has changed at all

[potent pivot]

i think you misunderstand the complaint

but yeh idk it is what it is

[stoic spruce]

It's been pretty good. I'm never not using it

[stoic spruce]

Most specs also don't have an ability that hit random off targets as their rng for that damage.

There are procs/crits in 5 second windows which are good because you're still hitting the same target regardless if you get any, and then there's KS where it just does nothing to your target.

Even if there's a second target closeby

[hard compass]

is fury damage insane today

or is itme?

[stoic spruce]

Ye

[vocal surge]

Do you know about the Thursday night incident?

Essentially back in Week 1

I 1 shotted a druid

As Outlaw

For 18M damage

We got nerfed shortly after lol