pvp

[jolly sierra]

XD

[languid ravine]

Three seasons in and they still didnt fix Brann destroying my queue pops

bye bye 20 minutes of my life

[modest ore]

should i get the crit or haste conquest daggers?

[spring bough]

Is that why my blitz was auto declining the other day?

[languid ravine]

yea it bricks if you queue during delves

[spring bough]

That’s good to know after three seasons lol

[languid ravine]

this time was different though it bricked after 3 seconds, its usually one second

or instant

[spring bough]

I was turning safe que on and off thinking it was that and it’s just cause I qued during a delve 🤦‍♂️

[languid ravine]

first blitz this season and my team loses mid and both bases despite THREE people chasing me solo

how I missed it

enter first random BG this season and the score is 0-1300 for the enemy russian premade team

so much wow

(maybe its not a premade idontcare)

[spring bough]

Welcome to the lala land of blitz 😂

Next thing you know you’ll be doing call outs for bases and having people to tell you to shut up lol

[languid ravine]

I m not typing mate if I type even one letter its instant lost

plus I m getting another official blizz warning for "negative energy in chat ree"

almost literally what it said too

you d think I m joking

brawl queue pops

12-27 for the enemy team

its just my lucky day

[spring bough]

Yeah I got one after a few days of nothing but blitz and all I was doing was “inc here” or “peel here” but doing those types of calls every game and got hit with a spam report lol

[covert raptor]

You have to win streak out of demon mmr or its completely doomed when it comes to blitz

Anything above like 2.2k is playable I estimate. Anything below that and there are some of the strangest creatures imaginable

Fresh toons starting out at this point are a coin flip if you can get out of elo hell I swear those games are uncarryable

[spring bough]

This is 100% true lol

Anything below around 2.4K MMR is flip a coin cause it’s going someway you’d think it could never go

[languid ravine]

random BGs are such a total joke theres FIVE deadweights in my team

[tribal ridge]

Question. For Sub, I see that Deathstalker is the Hero Talent. Why not Trickster if the tier is strong for it? Just making a comparison between the PvE and PvP guides, for understanding.

[gleaming sentinel]

My warlock is stuck in low mmr purgatory, he’s like 1200 mmr and it’s just absolutely crazy. Like I am generally chill but I’m in disbelief at how people play the game

[dark kernel]

Trickster is legitimately good for sub and it'll be even better with tier.

Nahj is testing it right now and likes it as well

[tribal ridge]

So using it instead of Deathstalker for PvP would be better? Will get a 2 PC this week for PvP, so.

And, oh! It's on tests, I see! That's interesting!

[vocal surge]

lmao

this hunter in my bg team

complained about not getting healed

when all the healers and me remembered he abandoned his post at Farm to wander the roads

and Farm got capped by horde

Meanwhile im here having to Defend Ruins from +8 hordies swarming my area

and them horde lads are salty because I literally ress directly under their noses

like blatantly and boldly revive at my body and hit stealth

and kept backcapping Ruins whenever they all leave not even 2s after

[languid ravine]

another blitz loss where the enemy team is DOWN three players and the fourth player is a ret doing 10% TEN PERCENT of my damage

imagine

[spring bough]

Hunters don’t think they just shoot

[vocal surge]

Aye

[spring bough]

Nerf ret 😂

[languid ravine]

I m playing Ret right now it might be shit actually outside of 1v1 /2v2

everything does 12947527 damage

ah wait I have bop and divine shield nevermind Rets fine

[waxen meteor]

tbh ret is probably better at off cart than us now

I honestly feel ret is an auto win in 2s without healer

we might win if we do more hide and seek

maybe some mage gods can punish ret too but overall, it's very solid

sit/cap/offcart and etc.

[spring bough]

2 bubbles and a 100% heal is beyond OP for 2s

[plucky wind]

Hello! I just recently got my Sub Rogue up to 80. However, I haven't played this in approx. 3/4 years, and I'm feeling very rusty. I'm hoping to get myself up to a level where I can hit 1800s again, but it feels like a tough road without some pointers - especially without knowing the common openers and such. Would anyone be kind enough to help me out a little? Perhaps in PMs(or here also works)? It'd be very appreciated!!!

[potent pivot]

wait for free daggers, and depends on spec

[spring bough]

we schemed the system of the vault today boys... took the sigil trinket and then ima buy champ pvp helm, convert that to tier and then slap a gem socket on it and use it for PVP and PVE

[potent pivot]

Deathstalker usually does more ST burst than trickster, so it’ll just depend on how the tier feels in pvp

[languid ravine]

the things we do to save 10k gold

[potent pivot]

The fact that you can consume an extra Mark faster with deathstalker tier set makes me think it will stay better

More darkest night eviscerates

[spring bough]

i wish u could slap the pvp gem socket on a laquered tier item

[modest ore]

is it worth getting a bloody token helm and catalyzing + lacquer my vault shoulders to hit 4pc?

[languid ravine]

depends on definition of worth

its the best way to get LFR and Normal transmogs

but in 8 weeks you ll have pieces with -3 itemlevel, you ll do 0,1% less dps than other players

HUGE

[modest ore]

uh

hmmm

[languid ravine]

but you might get an extra 100 rating now if you have tierset early

[potent pivot]

Personally I never catalyze bloody token stuff on my main, just on alts late in the season to gear fast

That’s something you gotta decide for yourself really

[modest ore]

so negligible difference if i waited?

[potent pivot]

Be ahead for like 1 week and have to fix it later or just wait

[modest ore]

i wouldnt mind if it wasnt a big deal. but im not sure tbh

[languid ravine]

its negligible but not nothing

[modest ore]

if i can fix it later i dont mind

[languid ravine]

0,1-0,2% max

per piece

[spring bough]

if u moonlight PVE i wouldnt convert veteran level to tier

[modest ore]

i truly dont pve

pc cant handle the frame lag

[modest ore]

and it takes 2 weeks to fix it worst case?

[potent pivot]

No

[languid ravine]

yesno? one catalyst charge every two weeks :d

[potent pivot]

You wouldnt want to waste the conq on catalyzing more pieces

For a while

[modest ore]

ah so i would just sit on the conq pieces without 4setting properly with chest and helm conq

until i can replace all of it

[languid ravine]

best way is to just have two chars, one with trash gear that does 0,5% less damage (OH NO HUGE DIFFERENCE NOO) and then one you ll gear up nicely at the end of season

[molten hedge]

im sorry if this has been asked a bunch but didnt see in pins

what piece does assa not get for 4 set

i just got shoulders from vault

[languid ravine]

queueing Skirmish as Ret Paladin feels like that scene in Mr Robot where the guy beats up the homeless person

[spring bough]

had an enhance shaman give me shit for stunning a fury war with cheap during a solo

like buddy i be stunning the whole enemy team and ur damn totems fking my DRs

[potent pivot]

Dems da ones ya dun wan

[raven terrace]

hit 1.4k just now

[spring bough]

sittin on the isle of dorn praying for a crate so i can get 4pc before my next solo pop

@vocal surge that ret didnt bubble and then tries to que more skirms with me LOL

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-dead-death-pose-falling-off-the-stairs-gif-12021772962162421355

[spring bough]

2ND ret in a skirm..... and brother BOPs himself too

oh boy lol

[molten hedge]

sweet im guessing no head bc of big crit?

[spring bough]

we have acquired the 4 set boys and 100 conq off weps GG season over

[molten hedge]

oh shit i read that wrong. i read it "dems da ones ya gun wan" dam so we play head chest gloves and legs then?

by process of elimination

🤓

[modest ore]

crate?

[spring bough]

a pvp crate

[modest ore]

sorry im unfamiliar with that

a pvp crate? it has a chanc to give tier?

[potent pivot]

No

[vocal surge]

monkas

[potent pivot]

War supply crates. It’s a method to farm pvp currencies

[modest ore]

ohhhh

[spring bough]

i was like 60 conquest off buying an item and the crate gives 60

[modest ore]

did u get a 720 mythic tier piece? o.o

for ur 3rd set

[abstract stratus]

what warmode pieces should we grab today

[gleaming pawn]

Whatever you have enough tokens for that you need an upgrade and they have Mastery

[waxen meteor]

honestly for me, it's not a bad decision

[spring bough]

If an arcane mage goes 0-6 they should be banned

[waxen meteor]

your blood token is maxed out anyway after 1 week this season

you need wrist and belt, that's all

[raven terrace]

vers mastery is prio for outlaw too right?

[waxen meteor]

so if you max out of your output from blood token into tier, you have advantage for quite a bit

[waxen meteor]

no

[vocal surge]

Brought it back lmao

We were losing a 6v10

[modest ore]

u convinced mee

[vocal surge]

started to assassinate Crystal carriers and taking it for myself without carts

and brought it back from a 800 lead to us winnin

[waxen meteor]

710 -> 723 is conquest gain
710 - 720 for blood token

You will enjoy a 10 item level gain for significant longer time and a early tier set

Cons is just to replace one piece at end of season for 3 item levels

For example, if you exchange a blood token chest for tier, you 'saved' 875 ish conquest for other pieces faster

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[raven terrace]

appreciate it

wait why would i care about haste on assa?

[waxen meteor]

I had the same question

[molten hedge]

since shoulders tiered are no good for assa, what should i get for my 3rd tiered piece this week? @potent pivot

i have legs gloves

[waxen meteor]

if you cannot unlock 4th, you don't need to convert the 3rd

[potent pivot]

What

[waxen meteor]

use the conquest/blood token without conversion

[gleaming pawn]

Improves tick rate damage of your dots. It’s not a huge assa stat but every little bit helps

[waxen meteor]

In a way, you speed up the bleeding dot tiks (which imo, not a lot gain)
But I think it was also shared, at end of the dot, you will get an extra tik from all hastes

I think the second part is more important, but still not a huge gain

[molten hedge]

i could get wpvp chest since its vers mast and get the helm tiered maybe. i have crafted vers/mast on every other slot i dont have wpvp or conq gear so i have a good bit of mast

[raven terrace]

ah okay i get what you mean

[waxen meteor]

So far I am still not sure if you refresh the bleed before it expires, will we get the extra damage from haste

[potent pivot]

Bruh

[waxen meteor]

Yeah blood token chest is great

I think mathematically speaking, it's one of the best approach

You get both mastery 720 and 723 at this week

and you will worry about 4 tier set 2 weeks later

so at end of this week you should have

Two tier for leg/hand at 723
Head/Weapon1/Weapon2 at 723
3 Crafts at 723
3 blood tokens at 720
Only rest in honor

[stoic spruce]

Booo UHUH booooo

Hate that talent

Booooo

[molten hedge]

wait i just realized theres no vers mast dagger but we get tokens

what weps should i get for assa lol

and ty for that!

[waxen meteor]

Use your tokens for item level

Craft at end of season for upgrade

[molten hedge]

the crit vers daggers?

[waxen meteor]

yeah

you have extra main stat from 723s over 710s

[molten hedge]

what conq piece should i get

helm maybe?

[waxen meteor]

show me your current gear

i got two tier from vault so i am sort of out of order this season myself

regardless, i think it's good to go with conquest head + blood token chest

[molten hedge]

crafted: neck, rings x2
wpvp: chest, wrists, belt
conq: gloves, legs
reshii cloak

the rest is 710 crafted

[waxen meteor]

yeah i think you are all good with this

[molten hedge]

ok ill get conq helm

tysm!

and not catalyze yet

til i can get 4 set

[waxen meteor]

yep

[molten hedge]

ty!

[spring bough]

a WILD popo appears

[stoic spruce]

Someone said something about haste and it made me think of the haste tax for adr and then it made me think of adr and then it made me think of uhuh extending it.

[languid ravine]

Theres 5 Rets and 2 Holy Paladins in my blitz

and its an Arathi too

[spring bough]

im rocking close to 30% haste in pvp is that bad

[languid ravine]

good thing I never logged into rogue

[waxen meteor]

you must be a mage

stealing unlimited bop

playing 1 on 8

[dark kernel]

I enjoy high as fuck haste on every outlaw now

[spring bough]

boys my day is complete

[dark kernel]

48% haste as HO with alacrity rolling

15benergy per second

[spring bough]

sounds disgustingly good lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah I like HO a lot for better crack windows

But KIR is really good if you have even decent uptime

[languid ravine]

Heres how my blitz is going: 6 of my guys are mid, and I shit you not the enemy team has 3 mines and 2 lumber and we didnt get mid for 40 seconds

1000-300 now

Kill me

fucking disgusting

[waxen meteor]

placement game for this mode is 100% rolling dice

You can be R1 player and still lose placement game

You just run into a big map with bunch of idiots who don't read, don't listen and don't know how to play

Essentially you just get a few good dice rolled, and reach a higher MMR, get at least some real games, and try to stay there...

[languid ravine]

thanks Tarny, did you know the sky is blue? just saying if you didnt notice

[waxen meteor]

I am just trying to make you a bit comfort..

yeah it might be captain obvious

[spring bough]

718 pvp ilvl season almost over boys

[spring bough]

TBH im never playing HO again this season

KIR thru n thru whether it be trickster or fatebound

[dark kernel]

What makes you think it's that good? I don't see how you could run that into stuff like boomy mage

[spring bough]

i run KIR on everything lol

[dark kernel]

Don't get me wrong, I actually really like keep it rolling and I get more adrenaline Rush up time, but in an actual PVP environment I don't think it's nearly as good into a caster cleaves

[stoic spruce]

The dmg in every matchup is night and day

I get at least 3 kir uses every match

[dark kernel]

I for sure hope you mean every shuffle lobby. There is no way that you should be getting three keep it rollings per round

[stoic spruce]

In 2s and 3s

[spring bough]

minimum

[dark kernel]

Even with good RNG that would mean that every single round you have is lasting 7 minutes

[stoic spruce]

2 or so a round

[spring bough]

in solo i will get atleast 2 a round

[dark kernel]

All right I definitely can give it to you in twos and threes for sure

[spring bough]

whether it be a lucky 5 roll or a 2s roll into CTO'd

sometimes just pump dispatch to chase CTO

[stoic spruce]

What happens is I get a 2 buff on opener and I get CTO buffs within like 6 seconds so that's my first kir

My second is the same

[spring bough]

is 5mil ST dps good

[stoic spruce]

Idk, I don't play a good spec.

Lol

[spring bough]

i mean i just hit 5mil

[stoic spruce]

I guess

[spring bough]

everyone get a nice new 730ilvl cloak today

i love a nice twin peaks where i cap flag and other team didnt even pick

[vocal surge]

I sure love

Afflock

Lad doesn't cast for over 1/2 the arena

and wins

and I was straight PvEing him down

It took the afflock

A STRAIGHT MINUTE

to kill me

after my healer died

[spring bough]

blitz at low mmr makes me wanna scream some days lol

[covert raptor]

It's actually kind if incredible

How terrible quality the starter mmr matches are

Also appears blizz's talent api is finally fixed so that's nice

[spring bough]

wonder what crazy shit murlok will have next update lol

smoked this spriest in a duel and auto get the "combat is so broken" RIP

double outlaw 2s >>>> everyone

[barren cypress]

Hi, saw an assa fatebound build on murloc without bonespear, with kingsbane and dot spread talent. Also with coldblood. Is this now meta?

[spring bough]

4 set acquired

[hybrid sapphire]

chest and shoulders?>

or chest and helm?

[spring bough]

idk depends on what u already got. im using chest shoulders helm conq and pve gloves to make four set lol

[edgy vine]

BRUH

i just got up to grab water and lost a 40mins q

fucking

gg

[hybrid sapphire]

thats why i turn my volume all the way tf up when i step out for 1 instant

[edgy vine]

sigh

the worst part is i requed

stepped away

and apparently it popped

[hybrid sapphire]

gg

[edgy vine]

why is pvp so dead

CAn we have more catgirls and egirls that play healer q shuffle or sum shit

[spring bough]

why does feral have a better stun lock kill window than rogue does now

[hybrid sapphire]

they whine harder

we should do dot shock on the forums except with † or something

[spring bough]

guys

trickster KIR with four set is insane

almost got a 3 million flurry on the rogue lol

[edgy vine]

Is kingsbane with shiv considered a smalll go?

[gusty hedge]

just witnessed

[grave basin]

Ye

[edgy vine]

Been struggling on fatebound assa

cant seem to do much dmg

[grave basin]

I truly believe it's shit but that's just me

[edgy vine]

just went 0-6 in a 1900 lobby

struggle bus fr

cant seem to figure this spec out

[waxen meteor]

LOL guys

I got 3 different tier piece 3 weeks straight in vault

[grave basin]

Try DS

[covert raptor]

I swear DS feels way better

Though wish rogue hero talents did more than "some shit you wouldn't even notice unless you comb damage meters"

[grave basin]

Youd need a rogue dev for that to happen

Maybe midnight when they rework outlaw

[edgy vine]

Speak of the devil

just 5-1 with smxxn

[hybrid sapphire]

oh wait can we only get 4pc if we got one in our vault? we'd only have three charges right?

[edgy vine]

1600 gives you another charge

[hybrid sapphire]

got that one

[edgy vine]

yea vault should give you 4 set

or raid drop

[hybrid sapphire]

ah ok so no 4pc set tonite queen 😦

[potent pivot]

if the spec isn't clicking for them as fatebound i swear trying DS sounds like bad advice idk

[outer fossil]

Hey all just returning after a few months away for assas pvp 2 set or 4 set?

[potent pivot]

4

[outer fossil]

thank you appreciate it

[grave basin]

ds is what assa been playing all expac though

Just return to factory settings

[potent pivot]

if they've played rogue at all this expac sure maybe

[gleaming pawn]

doesn't mean it's good or easy

[potent pivot]

fatebound is a good bit easier

and i really don't think deathstalker is that much better

[gleaming pawn]

I agree with you, the single target trade off is really nice in my experience

[potent pivot]

fatebound is still better ST and "burst" if you can call it burst because it's still assa

deathstalker is better overall dps if you can play it optimally, but assa's biggest lack all expac has been ST so it just feels like a toss up imo

i'm like a #1 fatebound hater but it seems fine rn

[spring bough]

im kinda loving saving ghostly and adrenaline for vanish

elemental focusing lense doing 5% of my overalls in rated lol

[exotic dove]

Healers are complaining about rets in shuffle

3 shuffle lobbies and a complaint each one lol

Im predicting they get a nerf on Friday

or announced nerf

I also had a feral leave a lobby this morning cause of a ret. At least thats what he said when I messaged him

[stoic spruce]

Gimme outlaw rework

[exotic dove]

Maybe in midnight

[stoic spruce]

Yes

I need alpha

[spring bough]

3 gem slots to go boys slowly but surely getting there

double outlaw 2s >>>>> unstoppable

[wet crown]

Watching palumor play shuffle on paladin is making me unreasonably angry.

8 mil crits wtf

[granite dagger]

Couple questions as I don't pvp often at all, so am p unaware of things. 1: Is a 720 crafted normal dagger going to be worse than the bloody token 720-in-BG/arena dagger? and since we play reshii in pvp, do I want to use the reshii boots, or is that effect disabled in pvp?

[daring plover]

are ll the websites to look at peoples builds and gear still down?

murlok hasnt been loading for me for the past few days

[exotic dove]

Yeah Rets are everywhere in shuffle

[spring bough]

double outlaw in 2s is absolute insanity

[exotic dove]

There are more rets than the entire class of warlock or Rogue lol looking at the data above

same with Hunter

[worthy tinsel]

Huh.
Guess they van revert that buff anytime, now..

[spring bough]

got 6 buffs KIR'd then we clapped the mage real quick

[wide flax]

we get weapon this week right?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[wide flax]

glorious

still gotta buy second dagger?

[spring bough]

you get enough tokens for 2 weps

[edgy vine]

Barely touched assa pvp this expac played sub all the way

Got bored of sub

Should i be dry shiving ?

Outside of kb and dm

[potent pivot]

you can

just try to make sure you'll have a charge if possible

[hybrid sapphire]

when do we get the free weaps? next week?

lmao wait i literally have it in my bags

[acoustic junco]

unholy dk seems like a different world

[gleaming pawn]

I really hope Blizzard revisits the fucking cringe timegating on Conq gear. Getting a piece of gear every 2 weeks is beyond dumb

[potent pivot]

They don’t want to promote “unhealthy gaming habits” or have people who blast it all out get too far ahead

[gleaming pawn]

making it so we get 1 piece a week would at least make sense

meanwhile PvE can grind their brains out for gear

[edgy vine]

The forums recently have been really funny about rets

Dude can you image a ret paladin pressing bubble as his first global in match start for shining revelation

Crazy shit

[exotic dove]

To be fair I have not seen a social media today at some point that didnt complain bout rets. Healers in my own shuffles are complaining about them

But yeah a ret wasting bubble like that is something i wish would happen for me

when I am against them

[edgy vine]

Forum people saying its psychological warfare

Establishing dominance so your enemies cant kill you

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Pre-bubble sap

Good tech

:evilpepe:

[grave basin]

Legit had that happen to me too in skirms

Was confused at first cause I didn't remember they had that talent

He bubbles himself and bops his enhance friend and I'm like ok then

[autumn garden]

new to pvp any tips on how to gear effectively like what to buy first etc and hwo do i get pvp tierset?

[fading blade]

is crate farming still the move

[grave basin]

If you win low MMR 2s, that's faster

Crate farming is slower but more guaranteed

[silent umbra]

Sub rogue wasn’t feeling that great today… How are there no conquest mastery weapons options?

[grave basin]

There was last season

How was there no laquer / varnish until people brought it up enough?

Blizzard just forgets

too bad PvP Paul

[silent umbra]

lol

What spec are you playing rn?

[grave basin]

Assa/sub

Just get the crit daggers and when you're full conquest then craft epic daggers with mastery

[silent umbra]

For sure

Were there any actual changes to sub or do players just have more stamina?

[grave basin]

Sub got zero changes

Just bug fixes mostly and aura tuning

[exotic dove]

This Dk said accused me of wintrading when he afked a round. What clown world am I living in

DK literally accuses of win trading however he goes afk a round and screws the monk over doing what he projects on someone else lol

[stoic spruce]

I'll ask dk server

[exotic dove]

If DK didnt afk the monk would have won 3 rounds

[dark moon]

That's the reverse phycology

[vocal surge]

ULTIMATE VICTORY RAAAAAAAH

https://tenor.com/view/rage-god-of-war-viking-enraged-furious-gif-5575441

Capped LH from 2 MM Hunters

Literally ran through their flare and popped both their Defensives and Offensives

Survived the end of the fight with 5% HP

then proceeded to stop a MW Healer and the same 2 MM Hunters by myself at LH

Also if your wondering how I got no kills

DK ran by and helped me out at the end

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[grave basin]

i would change the gems part @potent pivot

first gem should be any gem that procs focusing lens

stat gem -> bloodstone since lens is so much more impactful than bloodstone

[potent pivot]

Wut

[grave basin]

You put in the gems section that the first gem should be a bloodstone no

First gem should be a stat gem since that's a huge portion of your damage

[potent pivot]

What the very last line

[grave basin]

Ya

[potent pivot]

Just get 2 sockets stop being a noob

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

Jkjk

At first the blood gem was perceived to be more important

I’d argue it’s still kinda w/e but yeah

[edgy vine]

I need a break from wow

Ill See you guys in midnight

Got my 2k M+ io, did aotc did 2100 in shuffle

Think its a good stopping point for me

[exotic dove]

I dont like our 1800 elite set

Normal Heroic and reg glad set look better imo cause of the colors

just my opinion on it

[dark moon]

Get the 2.5.rio for cosmetic head /shoulder effect

Or do you get it from curve

[grave basin]

brah you can get 2.4k easy if youre 2.1k now

just keep playing and improving mechanically and inflation will take care of the rest

[grave basin]

agreed, the dark normal set looks like one of the legion elite sets and the grey heroic set looks cool

mythic set is by far the worst (imo), too striking

[exotic dove]

yeah mythic one is the worst I agree with that

[grave basin]

let me blend into the shadows real quick with all these neon colours

[exotic dove]

hahahah yeah

Like trying to hide a Las Vegas strip sign

[stoic spruce]

Dude

[exotic dove]

all that neon

[stoic spruce]

This set made me realize something about outlaw and tier mogs

The pirate mogs don't match because outlaw isn't a pirate anymore and the more generic rogue sets don't match either because gun

[exotic dove]

Interesting

[stoic spruce]

That's just the way I see it though. I still love my pirate mogs.

[exotic dove]

Yeah outlaw and pirate mogs are good

Honestly most Rogue mogs are good however the colors they chose for the mythic and elite set is very meh

[stoic spruce]

Yeah this season kinda blows ngl

Who won in mogs this season?

[exotic dove]

I will be working on getting the normal heroic and reg glad ones though those colors I like with it

[stoic spruce]

The elite dk is pretty good

Warrior is good

[exotic dove]

Yeah I like the DK one

Hunters got the worst one

by far

[stoic spruce]

Naturally

[exotic dove]

Someone told me Lock and priest look good

[stoic spruce]

They get 1 good mog an expansion

Priest gets all the good ones tbh

Esp in df

[exotic dove]

Warriors looks like an updated Legion Elite set

forget which legion season it came out in

[stoic spruce]

Lucky bastards

[exotic dove]

Honestly I think Hunters got the worst one I cant think of any I dont like and with Rogue the reg glad heroic and normal colors look great so that set isnt bad just the colors they chose for the two make no sense

[grave basin]

warlock/dh/shaman/pally

all winners

[stoic spruce]

I think the "rogue" sets are all kinda boring tbh

[grave basin]

druid and hunter sets by far the worst

go look at druid and come back

[stoic spruce]

They all feel ripped off from one another

[exotic dove]

I actually see that for Rogues though they aren't supposed to be flashy outside of maybe outlaw they want to keep a low profile

why I like a lot of rogue sets

[stoic spruce]

Another hooded figure with shadow aesthetic. How riveting.

[grave basin]

atleast the colors are good

[exotic dove]

I mean we could get the Hunter treatment

[grave basin]

and distinct

for most of the sets

[stoic spruce]

DKs have the same problem tbh

Every set has skulls with open mouths

[exotic dove]

Well DK DF season 3 and 4 set actually looked fantastic

[stoic spruce]

And smoke emanating from it

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats peak

Like

It's so dang good

[exotic dove]

ok that one is not great but not as bad as Hunter

[stoic spruce]

Is that druid?

[grave basin]

i mean

why are these 3 literally just 1 small pixel difference in tone

if it werent for the belt i wont even be able to tell really

[stoic spruce]

What is that

[grave basin]

druid

[stoic spruce]

Okay

That set

Looks like it goes hard on tauren

[exotic dove]

ok Tauren I can see it but on NIght elf not a fan

[grave basin]

yea but look at the colors

how muted it is

super washed

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats tauren

That's their thing

[exotic dove]

Top colors are better but I see waht you mean on the colors

[stoic spruce]

Muted colors and such

[grave basin]

meanwhile

[stoic spruce]

Plate wearers feast idk what to tell you

[exotic dove]

Lets give Druids credit though they could have gotten this any of us could have gotten this

I think every class that is not a hunter is thankful right now

[grave basin]

meanwhile

it's not like they dont know how color palletes work

or which look good

[grave basin]

lock mage have super neon bright tier sets

with actual good colors

[stoic spruce]

Honestly?

[grave basin]

tfw youre a hunter main 😭

[stoic spruce]

I think armor sets should tone down the flashiness

In general

[grave basin]

nah youre insane

on my non rogues i wanna glow so bright it fries people's pcs

[stoic spruce]

It's gone too far.

[exotic dove]

yeah all hunter mains have my condolences

for that set

[stoic spruce]

It's starting to become impossible to be impressive

[grave basin]

the new enchants need 10x the brightness

arcane is good but it could be waaaaaaaaaaay more saturated

i can barely tell i have it on compared to other enchants

[exotic dove]

Last enchant I liked was the shadowflame one forget which DF season that was I was actually happy when I got it and mogged it on my Mains and alts

[stoic spruce]

Icr the last enchant I liked

They've all been so brown

[grave basin]

because theyve been all brown

lol

[stoic spruce]

Mfer

[grave basin]

except for arcane and shadowflame and df s1

[stoic spruce]

What did I JUST say

[grave basin]

imagine not having shadowflame

😭

[stoic spruce]

I use Unholy

[grave basin]

did you see the new revamped unholy tree

[stoic spruce]

The old-school enchants go sonhard

[grave basin]

in the sneakpeak

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[grave basin]

summon garg and abom on a choice node

no more unholy frenzy

[stoic spruce]

Apex talent modifies Improved Death Coil💀

[grave basin]

no i mean the actual talents itself

not apex

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I know

[grave basin]

looks like unholy is gonna get pruned

to wod

[stoic spruce]

If we get necrotic plague back I'm dropping the spec

That shit is so Zzz

[grave basin]

theyre also completely seperating pet spec and disease spec

on right / left

[exotic dove]

I would fall in the deepest depression but thankfully I got it

[grave basin]

also no more festermight

[stoic spruce]

Which means...

Possibly

[grave basin]

wounds..

[stoic spruce]

No wounds

[grave basin]

no wounds on UH goes hard

[stoic spruce]

I gotta see what that lich talent is

[grave basin]

i wanted to main UH going into tww but it was completely TURBO ass in s1 and i dropped it completely

💀

[stoic spruce]

That lich talent and the one above the blood fever icon

[grave basin]

i played the tww beta and already decided

had my uh all set up and shit

then blizzard just nukes them from orbit the week before s1 started

[exotic dove]

I might play DK for this season set but I its hard to play other melee after maining Rogue for so many years

[grave basin]

as is tradition

[stoic spruce]

As is tradition

Yeah

[exotic dove]

Nothing for me compares to Rogue

[stoic spruce]

I main outlaw and unholy

[grave basin]

i mean theyre both setup specs

[stoic spruce]

Hopefully Outlaw gets the same attention

I'm so sick of uhuh

[grave basin]

nah rtb auto rolls every dispatch, you no longer can KIR

that's it

[stoic spruce]

That's dumb

[grave basin]

that's all the changes

[stoic spruce]

Sooooo unrealistic

[grave basin]

or rtb auto rolls on a 30second icd

you can no longer do anything to influence it

[exotic dove]

I been maining Sub and Assa. Play Hunter on the side at times and I am going to try hpriest to see if I like healing but it will be an alt

[stoic spruce]

I'm almost certain rtb stays as a button because it's what makes outlaw unique

[grave basin]

so was slappy hands

[stoic spruce]

Slappy hands was a class ability

[grave basin]

yea but it was class defining

[stoic spruce]

I'm talking spec defining

Also idc about slappy hands. That shit died in df

In pvp

[grave basin]

well, they pruned exanguinate

[stoic spruce]

Idk what that is

[grave basin]

claiming it will come back in the future btw

[stoic spruce]

That sounds familiar

[grave basin]

in a less degenerate form

[exotic dove]

Also should I seek help? I capped all my Rogues and Hunter as well as getting a Key done on my Main Rogue that was a 10 or higher for one vault.

I might be done this week by tomorrow or Thursday

for any week capping stuff

[exotic dove]

I wonder why they changed hte name to sang blades

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeahhhh

Yeah that was crazy

[exotic dove]

and made it passive

[stoic spruce]

5/6 CP rogue coming back

[grave basin]

ngl im tempted to troll on my ret pala

i wanna get 1800 set on him at some point anyway

[exotic dove]

I want to try a ret pala cause it has a lot of utility too but I have a strong feeling they are getting nerfed next changes

oh yeah the 1800 set

[grave basin]

they havent had a good set in a while tbh, i really like this season's set

every other season was some purple hue

[exotic dove]

yeah might have to make my first pally for that set

At the same time I could try healing on an hpal too

[grave basin]

noooo we need to preserve 10+ CP finishers

¯_(ツ)_/¯

soon 20p cause why not

[exotic dove]

IT doesnt matter to me if we got back to 5/6 combos

[grave basin]

it does matter cause now youre balanced around max cp

super charger is just lame and all SL covenant spells should have stayed there

[stoic spruce]

Uptime and cdr

[exotic dove]

As Sub anyway combo points arent hard to come by I feel like a F150 assembly plant just crapping out F150 but with combos

[grave basin]

you already can super charger into coup into coup

with trickster tier set

[stoic spruce]

Pressing dry sinister strikes wouldn't feel as bad

[grave basin]

what is cdr

[stoic spruce]

Yeah and it's an issue

[grave basin]

youre just flooded with cdr

(in pve)

[stoic spruce]

Which means uptime is super important and you know what we don't have in this raid?

:)

[grave basin]

the same thing you dont have in pvp?

🙂

[stoic spruce]

:D

[grave basin]

😄

[stoic spruce]

ISNT THIS FUCKING FUN

IM HAVING SO MUCH FUN

[grave basin]

meanwhile ret doesnt ever need to be in melee

[exotic dove]

Well if history is an indicator for me I will still probably play Rogue no matter what they do to our combo points

[grave basin]

far enough to wake

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I'm staying with outlaw

[grave basin]

autos generate HP but it doesnt matter anyway

[stoic spruce]

But I'll complain the whole time

[exotic dove]

Hey complaining is fine its not like you shut down a whole discord down and cry for buffs to get memed by Skillcapped raider io etc

[stoic spruce]

That 5% buff was probably going to happen anyway

But

It's funnier to think the protest did that

[grave basin]

meanwhile hunters arent even brought to rwf despite the meme hunter's mark

BM and sv both F- tier in raid

[exotic dove]

lol I just found the whole situation funny cause they got memed by literally everyone and everything

[grave basin]

bm pre-emptively nerfed 4 times in a row during the last month of ptr

same with frost dk but somehow it's still the best pve spec

[grave basin]

warrior discord should be in flames then

arms is down bad rn

[exotic dove]

I dont think anyone is going to let rets live what they did down for a while

especially when there were specs worse than them

[dark moon]

Who's memeing rets? I want to see memes to show my ret pal friend

[stoic spruce]

Your friend is the meme

[dark moon]

True, that's why I'm asking

[exotic dove]

Raider IO did a photoshop tweet of class changes they did a week or two ago with it sayign the Ret class was deleted because Blizzard doesnt respond to terrorists. Skillcapped had a video that I watched someone show on stream that had baby crying sound emotes

Then there was just a bunch of other stuff on social media

but im in bed and dont want to go to my pc to look it all up atm

[dark moon]

Thanks, now I know what to look for

[exotic dove]

The skillcap video wasnt titled rets or anything but in the video where they were mentioned in the beginning of it you can hear the baby crying stuff and it was funny

[remote nexus]

sorry guys im new to pvp but how do you get 4 pc tier for pvp

[stoic spruce]

Buy varnish from pvp vendor

And put them on your pieces

[exotic dove]

I dont know the title of the skillcapped video cause I think it was ven I was watching when he watched on stream

[remote nexus]

so you dont have to use the catalyst guy thats for pve?

[exotic dove]

You can put pvp gear in there to change to tier too if you dont have the tier from pve

[remote nexus]

so whats the varnish thing popo was talking about

[exotic dove]

Just make sure you do the right pieces

He was saying if you have tier from pve you can buy an item that will make it pvp

[remote nexus]

ooooh

so the only way to get 4pc right now is doing pve?

because theres only 2 charges so far right

[exotic dove]

yeah that or putting pvp gear in catalyst

you can get a 3rd charge for hitting 1600

[remote nexus]

so you can only catalyst 3 pieces?

as of now?

[exotic dove]

IF you hit 1600 yes you can only catalyst 3

[remote nexus]

ahh gotcha tyty

[exotic dove]

if you are not 1600 you can only do 2

until you hit 1600

[remote nexus]

so i guess i have to raid if i want 4pc now

[stoic spruce]

No that's throwing

If you pvp and pve with the same character

[exotic dove]

IF you pve than you are better off getting tier from pve sources yeah

[remote nexus]

nahh i only pvp on this character

[exotic dove]

if you only pvp or have pvp only toons like me then I just shove pvp gear in catalyst cause I CBA to pve on more than one toon

[stoic spruce]

Okay then you can use charges

[remote nexus]

gotcha tyty

i guess i have get lucky in raid for 4pc

[stoic spruce]

You're welcome!!!!!

[exotic dove]

Sorr if I confused you

[stoic spruce]

Wait

[remote nexus]

also last question, back then they had a great vault for pvp is that gone now?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[exotic dove]

yeah pvp vault is gone

[remote nexus]

oh thats lame

[stoic spruce]

Yeahhhhh

[exotic dove]

Im mixed on it

[stoic spruce]

2 cata charges and varnish

4pc right there

[remote nexus]

i thought varnish was just to turn pve tier into pvp tier

[stoic spruce]

Oh right

I confused myself

My b

[remote nexus]

yeah i was hoping i didnt have to raid on this character

[stoic spruce]

Also

4pc ain't that big so you don't really have to raid

[remote nexus]

ohh okay gotcha

i thought it was like pve levels of power

[stoic spruce]

Nah it's nerfed

[tiny maple]

Should Sub use 4pc set or only 2pc?

[dark kernel]

4

[spring bough]

hmmmm

come duel me in dorn pvp area

[stoic spruce]

No

[spring bough]

🙁

[stoic spruce]

I sit out of stealth

So you can hit first

Because 2 rogues dueling gives me cancer

Of the dick and balls variety

[rose thorn]

wow

[stoic spruce]

I love my outlaw bros to death

But I cannot dual

Will not dual

In 2s when it's a 1v1 against me and another rogue

I wanna cry

[stoic spruce]

Ily <3

[rose thorn]

Outlaw rework for midnight YEAAAASSSS

[stoic spruce]

the "rework" just removes KIR and remains largely the same

But honestly

The worst thing they could do is load vanish up even more

[dark stump]

where ?

[stoic spruce]

It was heavily teased

By the devs

[dark stump]

teased or implied ?

[dark kernel]

Dueling is no longer fun there's no actual skill expression anymore.

[stoic spruce]

Both

[stoic spruce]

I don't mind dueling but when it's 2 rogues I just cba

[dark stump]

what did they say ? "outlaw was mistake we apologize" ?

[rose thorn]

Nah they are reworking all classes to not require weakauras and be more approachable and named outlaw as an example

outlaw/unholy dk

[stoic spruce]

No, that currently outlaw and unholy don't play well with modern wow and they're looking at how to change specs like those going forward.

And they posted a 3rd of the unholy tree

And it looks like wounds were removed

[rose thorn]

Yerp

[stoic spruce]

Not only that but Outlaw was called out by devs TWICE

[spring bough]

bones buffs are going to become less RNG calling it now pin it

they gonna rework bones somehow callingg it now

[rose thorn]

W imo make it less complicated so we don’t have pallys clicking 4 buttons deleting teams while outlaw is clicking 50 doing 500k dps

[spring bough]

take me back to the days of, SND, sinister, dispatch REPEAT

[rose thorn]

take me back to combat rogue

[stoic spruce]

I don't think so. I think they're just fixing kir and keeping it mostly the same. Especially since they have their own trackers.

[stoic spruce]

No

God no

[rose thorn]

Why no 😭

[stoic spruce]

Combat never had anything going for it

[rose thorn]

I don’t mean literally back to combat I just mean back to a bruiser play style that relies less on stealth

[stoic spruce]

And I played it since 04

[dark kernel]

Rtb needs to not be a pressed button but a passive grant

Slice returns to being pressed

[stoic spruce]

Passive rtb is so dumb

[dark kernel]

Why it's current methodology is dog shit

You're either fishing for dice or rolling on cool down

[stoic spruce]

It's not but okay

[dark stump]

so they are most likely going for a full summoner for unholy

[rose thorn]

what’s rtb I don’t play outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Roll The Bones

[rose thorn]

I think they are just making all classes have less passive buffs you need to track

[stoic spruce]

They literally gave MW their own version of RTB

[stoic spruce]

No

Disease and pets are separated

[dark stump]

L for blizz

[dark kernel]

If you guys know Samira in League who has a combo building mechanism

I want them to do that to RtB

Where you gain more dice in combat like old enduring brawler

[dark stump]

we don't speak of the mistake that's samira

[stoic spruce]

EB was Opp procs

[dark stump]

[rose thorn]

Idk I hate how long the animations take for outlaw for such little dmg but I never fully commit to haste so maybe that’s why

[stoic spruce]

The problem with rtb the shitty container buff and the energy spent to energy gained ratio

Because you either have no energy or an infinite amount

[rose thorn]

well kinda same for assassination no?

but yea I feel that way as well it’s too random

[stoic spruce]

Assa has Tea and CDs

[dark kernel]

As Assa you get huge energy pops when w target wit rupture dies

For M+

[rose thorn]

I’m talking PvP

[dark kernel]

You have the talent to get energy back per bleed

If you garrote/rupture 2 targets your getting 6 extra energy per sec9nd

[rose thorn]

Yea but doesn’t it refund more based off crit

maybe I’m wrong

[stoic spruce]

"Bring back combat" lol

[spring bough]

delves have become so easy to farm now lol

[stoic spruce]

New ks makes it a breeze

It's so good in pve

[rose thorn]

Why u hate combat sht used to slap

Did u play sod

[stoic spruce]

I only hate it because Outlaw is better in every way

Yeah

[dark kernel]

Old combat is turbo dog shit and any singular person who says it isn't didn't play it. Periodm

[rose thorn]

Did you play combat in sod

[dark kernel]

And you know why you didn't play it? Because Combat was never the meta spec since fucking Burning crusade all the way through Legion

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[rose thorn]

Did you like that version

[stoic spruce]

Was meta in cata before daggers

[rose thorn]

yea it was always meta for pve

In classic

[dark kernel]

That's not even true by today's standard, back 15 years ago even that's spotty

[stoic spruce]

I liked combat until WoD had new CP and it made me realize how shitty rogue was to play.

[dark kernel]

WoD combat was ironically the ONE time it was semi meta

[stoic spruce]

And then Outlaw came next expac and blew combat out the water

[dark kernel]

So that's funny

[rose thorn]

Oh nah I meant combat like in sod it felt clean

[lean prawn]

Hi guys, some tips for use the effect of the 4p as assa FB build?

[rose thorn]

The ranged kidney felt so good

[stoic spruce]

Yeah SoD combat was as good as a target locket CP class could be.

Was nice having energy

[stoic spruce]

That was a thing for Outlaw back in Legion and BFA

[rose thorn]

It was like modern ass with swords

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw was what combat wish it was

[rose thorn]

Really? Damn I played since wrath but I was young then started rogue in legion but I mostly played ass

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Was low-key busted in certain bgs

[rose thorn]

Bring it back they gave every class our cc so give us some dmg to make up for it atp damn

or healing something

[stoic spruce]

But still

Outlaw kinda stuck in the past

If they make rtb a passive I'm leaving this server

I don't want anything to do with it then

[rose thorn]

nah I’m pretty sure the point is less passives

[stoic spruce]

Nothing to do with actives/passives but how complicated it is

[rose thorn]

I hope they just make it less rng

I’m assuming you play fatebound as outlaw?

[keen canopy]

links or it didnt happen

[stoic spruce]

The only rng is ace procs really

And opp

[rose thorn]

Fatebound not trickster *

[stoic spruce]

Yall need to keep up the pace

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

It was in two interviews

[keen canopy]

i saw a trickstar outlaw that did alright damage but i cant imagine it was any better than fatebound

trickster*
but trickstar has a ring to it

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's alright

Probably better in melee cleaves

[dark kernel]

Trickster about to pick up play with 4pc

It's really really strong

[rose thorn]

In pvp?

[stoic spruce]

Extra CDR is always nice

[keen canopy]

idk what his gear was but i guess it could've been 4 set it was earlier today

[dark kernel]

Nahj already tried it with Sub and said it was pretty good there as well

[rose thorn]

just seems so useless great cc but can’t kill a fly

[dark kernel]

And trickster it pretty much gives us back more CDR we lost

[stoic spruce]

You know what

That makes me think

There's a possibility that they change up restless blades to make it more modern

It's dmg profile is so shitty I'm modern wow since it's designed with CDs in mind

[keen canopy]

how would they do that

[stoic spruce]

No clue

They'd probably get rid of it

Turn outlaw into a 45s spec

Which wouldn't fix it but

Is a blizz way of handling things

[gleaming sentinel]

[stoic spruce]

[lean prawn]

ok 4p for assa FB are bugged lol

[keen canopy]

how could they have managed that

[spring bough]

why is it the one day i work from home we have a server shutdown inc RIP

[summer drum]

Sounds like you should be working.

[keen canopy]

or maybe the boss should understand that the 2400 is more important

[spring bough]

more like blizz should lol

damn hour maintenance for what lol

[tiny maple]

Ty

[keen canopy]

so they can fix rogue bugs surely

[spring bough]

they didnt fix flurry hitting dead targets for like 2years.... lol

[tiny maple]

So many stealth bugs. It’s impossible to stay in stealth, every ability randomly pulls us out

[keen canopy]

nah the maintenance is gonna end and whispyr will come down from the heavens and declare all rogue bugs fixed

SUREEEEELYYYY

[rose thorn]

Balance Druid within 100 yards - no stealth

paladin in view - knocked out of stealth

[stoic spruce]

Fmage is terrible about that too

[rose thorn]

and shadow priest

they basically just said f rogue after legion because the best players in the game play it

[keen canopy]

idk i feel like the stealth bugs aren't as bad as they were in like season 1 maybe

i mean in season 1 tww a gust of wind would blow you out of stealth

now it takes a slightly stronger gust

[spring bough]

its that wake of ashes... hate to see it coming at u when u stealthed lmao

[rose thorn]

it’s ridiculous Druid aoe that literally covers the map gives a 20 sec dot

[keen canopy]

yeah idk why they decided to have druid aoe range be "if the sun or moon reaches the surface, so do your attacks"

[rose thorn]

Ppl complain about rogue resetting being op then let mage have ice block and paladin bubble / lay on hands alr

[covert raptor]

Notice stealth whackiness with dks too

Literally in cambodia and will still get knocked out from stuff from downtown

[rose thorn]

It’s all the aoe every class has now

[keen canopy]

man the paladin matchup in blitz just feels so unwinnable like if they're solo defending gm or something and im trying to take it, it's not winnable im gonna need a second person to help me

[rose thorn]

More like third person

[keen canopy]

any other class i feel like i can win the 1v1 as long as im better but vs pally it just isnt winnable

[rose thorn]

literally don’t think paladin is killable 1v1 without a healer

[stoic spruce]

Waiting for Outlaw rework got me like

[spring bough]

bro u gonna add like 10000000 beers to that by the time we see 1 change

[stoic spruce]

Lmaoo

Hey man

[keen canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/open-bar-one-million-beers-gif-5819923271138533602

[stoic spruce]

Alpha is soon

[spring bough]

sorry not sorry yeah alpha tell me when Beta is released then we get 1 change

[rose thorn]

The change is gonna be like “removed grapple” lol

[spring bough]

that or first change is "KIR is removed" and thats it for now LMAO

[keen canopy]

stg wouldnt even surprise me but i would be so pisses

[stoic spruce]

That's so on brand for blizz and I hate it

[keen canopy]

pissed*

yeah i can absolutely see a reality where that happens

[rose thorn]

I just don’t get the paladin love they were hot ass till recent time

[stoic spruce]

They were always pretty strong

Just easy to kill

[rose thorn]

They didn’t have mobility tho so you could avoid them

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

now they have a fucking immunity Mount

two charges too

[spring bough]

what if KIR was passive and the second u got 5+ buffs it extended them 30 seconds

[stoic spruce]

That'd be cool

[keen canopy]

eh it sort of just removes something but adds nothing

[spring bough]

less rng idk

they gonna rework RTB im calling it now pin it

[stoic spruce]

Or S2 set in its entirety. Keep on rollin rollin rollin rollin

[rose thorn]

yeah that’s pretty obvious

[stoic spruce]

I don't see rtb rework

[keen canopy]

i can see them doing something to roll the bones
S2 set would be nice

[rose thorn]

They have to the point is to remove the need for buff tracking rtb makes you track so much

[stoic spruce]

It's currently trackable with current default ui

[keen canopy]

or maybe they just make us a 1 handed weapon/empty slot duelist spec like I want

but like thats ever gonna happen

[stoic spruce]

Okay but tracking that is fine

[rose thorn]

Yea but they want to make every class more approachable it’s easy for you to track but I been playing rogue only since legion and I still don’t know wtf half of outlaws buffs mean

[stoic spruce]

Yall

He obviously didn't mean he's gutting the spec of all tracking

[rose thorn]

I mean that’s what they implied with dk

[spring bough]

the one vid with the dev i watched he mentioned "no more reliance on weak auras" and was talking about outlaw and bones

[stoic spruce]

DK is different

DK has wounds on each and every target

[spring bough]

DK festermight thing is getting removed

[stoic spruce]

Keep it Rolling

[keen canopy]

yeah but that probably just means "yeah we'll make a UI feature to track specific buffs and where they came from"

[rose thorn]

idk I definitely think it will be less but u will still have rtb

maybe combining some of the buffs

[keen canopy]

i mean obviously you still have rtb i mean outlaw IS roll the bones there is no outlaw without roll the bones

[stoic spruce]

I think they'll remove kir and maybe hopefully subterfuge tracking

It's just combat with guns

[keen canopy]

yeah but i mean if they heavily changed roll the bones they would have to change many more things in the talent tree

[stoic spruce]

I just don't think rtb is really an issue

[keen canopy]

yeah i dont either

[stoic spruce]

It's rng isn't even bad with cto existing

[rose thorn]

Rtb isn’t but keeping the buffs up and also fighting rng is the issue

[keen canopy]

yeah but maybe from the outside looking in roll the bones looks daunting

[rose thorn]

“Not bad” but other classes have no rng instant dmg multiplying buffs

that’s the issue for me

[spring bough]

servers back up

[stoic spruce]

And other classes have it worse

[keen canopy]

i guess thats true but like idk rng is a little bit a part of outlaw you know

[rose thorn]

whaaaa how

[rose thorn]

I mean only recently

[stoic spruce]

I like variance in my variance focused spec

[stoic spruce]

It's probably the least rng outlaw has ever been tbh

Esp with current tier making coins reliable

[rose thorn]

U think?? I feel like the fatebound buffs added a ton

[stoic spruce]

I know

[rose thorn]

oh sure I just meant overall in war within not current season

[keen canopy]

im a little fond of fatebound with this tier set it's kinda nice

[stoic spruce]

Because like I said, Loaded Dice and Sleight of Hand irons out initial rolls and CTO brings bad luck protection

So now

It's ace up your sleeve in crackshot windows

And opportunity procs

[rose thorn]

that’s a lot of stuff to think about tho… u gotta admit it makes sense for ppl who played it a lot but a newish player hell no especially non PvP players

Like why make loaded dice a thing just make the dice loaded already

[stoic spruce]

You roll on CD if you have Sleight talented. Only after Adrenaline Rush if Loaded Dice is active.

Easy peasy

That's all there is to it

Oh and one more after kir

[rose thorn]

one stun and you are useless for the next 40 sec tho

[spring bough]

hear me out what if what if we never had to roll again

[stoic spruce]

That's different

[stoic spruce]

You'd never hear from me again

[stoic spruce]

That's blizzard nerfing energy and giving Adrenaline Rush pause in subterfuge

[rose thorn]

I think it’d be cool if they made outlaw completely diff similar to ww monk where clicking diff buttons increase dmg so we aren’t just smashing our shit praying for a crit

[stoic spruce]

Honestly if they unnerfed energy that'd fix half of outlaws problems

[stoic spruce]

Keep in mind this rule exists not because of Keep it Rolling, but because of the container buff

[rose thorn]

Change kir to be a finisher ability that refreshes buffs like shiv for bleeds