pvp

[dark stump]

sadge

[gusty hedge]

works fine for me

the background/border not sure how you even did that the way its set up around your binds.

[dark stump]

too much gooning

[dark kernel]

I don't know how. It was actually lagging my game

Got diminish working, but it's not fantastic

[gusty hedge]

i coudlnt get diminish to work. and was lucky i found tea last year😭
i do have a lua blocker so thats probably why it feels flawless
gotta check which addon or w/a i got with it

[dark kernel]

I have the same blocker but it'll send you a message like "an addon is causing so many errors your game will suffer"

I started having some actual issues until I turned it off.

[wet crown]

When do you killing spree in pvp, generally?

Admittedly I have no idea how fatebound works.

[digital inlet]

as an outlaw rogue, what am i suppose to do in a shuffle lobby with a frost dk ret and dh

[spring bough]

Slam frost DK and train

And try to get a good bomb with ret away so he can’t bubble

[gusty hedge]

thought i had a lua blocker, cant seem to find it not too sure why now tbh

[spring bough]

So many weak auras how can u see ur screen 😂

[grave basin]

press blade flurry and win

[gusty hedge]

I dont even notice many when playing on this account

[potent pivot]

Practically on CD

[wet crown]

I assume not in subterfuge?

[potent pivot]

Usually not

[spring bough]

Get in that beta access line boys

Time for some midnight 🤓

[digital inlet]

surely outlaw rework with no rng everywhere

[gusty hedge]

On or before june 30th 2026 😂

[digital inlet]

nerf coin

[orchid plinth]

and buff ret

[waxen meteor]

Just 11M

https://tenor.com/view/looks-pretty-cool-max-shockley-dreamcastguy-looks-pretty-sick-seems-great-gif-26561419

[digital inlet]

balanced

[indigo hill]

Is it true, is outlaw s tier?

[digital inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/repo-repo-game-lethal-company-yes-agree-gif-4179274129702757502

[spring bough]

Yeah but was his overall less than the healers 😂

[digital inlet]

nope hes a ret, ofc he was still top dmg

[wet crown]

he was a ret paladin so he deserved it.

[waxen meteor]

should i play mage now

I suck at mage 🙁

[wet crown]

I pushed my mage for illusion last night and it's like

It's fun but mm/ret lobbies are the actual worst. especially if healer diffed

Also, fun fact: Arcane mages have a permanent -10% movement speed debuff in pvp if they talent into slipstream.

[waxen meteor]

it's like you can touch them with 90% moving speed

[jolly sierra]

speaking of rets

like 2 days ago a ret tried to troll us with a meme

i was getting back to look for it and found nothing

seems like he was banned and ignored here at same time XD

[spring bough]

DW just get one good 15mil crit and you win games. Sit in block the rest of the time. GG

[molten hedge]

A friend just sent these lmao

[halcyon timber]

Nasty but no one thought to peel

[acoustic junco]

I just took 9 million from an arcane mage, good times

[spring bough]

Gd warriors bro

[acoustic junco]

the bird hit me with orange attacks. the 7 million is the arcane barrage

[spring bough]

left work early. log on, que, instant pop LOL

[digital inlet]

guys. guys, guys, theres an easy fix to all these one shots... nerf coin

[sharp sierra]

Let arcane be broken, I’m tired of frost and half the time arcane is gamba if they die instantly or not

[spring bough]

fk the 33% do a hotfix for 66%

[digital inlet]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[sharp sierra]

outlaw 99% only

[acoustic junco]

i didn't say it was broken. I was just like whoa

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the bird used to be cc’able too. That was silently moved out though.

Same with warlock demons from diabloist

[spring bough]

i just sat in combo CC for 10 solid seconds

1 mississippi style it was brutal

still won the round lol

[sharp sierra]

need a pve tank spec with a fun pvp spec for my weekly alt-a-holic run

recs?

[potent pivot]

dh

[spring bough]

oh god we dont need more tank DH in solo XD

[acoustic junco]

nah warrior tanks pump

[potent pivot]

he said pve tank spec

i assumed he meant he was gonna tank pve and dps pvp

[sharp sierra]

idk what it is with dh but i find the rotation for tanking/havoc pvp to be....weird?

[spring bough]

what rotation u mean 1 and 2 on the keybinds?

[sharp sierra]

LMAO

yes

[potent pivot]

cap

[spring bough]

if ones on CD press the other GG

[sharp sierra]

the tank spec is a bit more involved tho i like it

[spring bough]

1, 2, 3

[potent pivot]

havoc has a pretty good rotation these days

[sharp sierra]

just cant decide between monk or dh. Even thought druid just to no brain balance

got friends and gf to do pve stuff finally but im getting tired of swapping classes

[spring bough]

brew looks pretty sick for keys rn

[sharp sierra]

ive always been a fan of brew and with my girl playing resto druid i figured itd be easier for her to learn the game healing wise in pve

ive never played ww in pvp tho, just FW

[hidden moth]

If your dh rotation in either spec is 1-2 buttons

Your cooked

14 button opener/ burst window with cds being managed so it lines up etc. a lot goes into it

[hidden moth]

Ngl, with the keys in rotation this season, healing isn’t the beginner friendly role, esp not Rdruid being one of if not the hardest healer to play properly this season. If she wants to heal I would recommend hpriest as it’s the beginner healer spec, though tbh for new players I just slap em on ret pal or bm hunter and call it a day

[spring bough]

i went lava at one point CC'd both enemy healers annnnnd we 3 cart capped LOL

[hidden moth]

Weird that it sent the reply twice, but it is raining where I am

[spring bough]

that happened to me the other day. sent a message at like 1pm and it resent the same one at like 9pm was like what? lol

[proper burrow]

Hello what’s the good spec to get 1950 in 2s

[sharp sierra]

eh she plays OW, rivals, etc at pretty high level support so the idea of a boring holy priest doesnt really sit with her she ended up liking the complexity of cat weaving

[potent pivot]

whatever you prefer, there's builds in the pins if you mean build

[surreal kestrel]

I’m trying out assassination rogue. How do you have macros set on:

• cold blood
• kingsbane
• deathmark
• trinket

All combined? Or seperate ones?

[potent pivot]

you can't combine KB with DM

[surreal kestrel]

So it’s either?

[potent pivot]

you can macro CB to KB, should be using the Inevitable End talent so that CB only applies to envenoms (for the fatebound build)

dps trinket can be put on whatever

if not running fatebound you don't run cold blood or kb so those become irrelevant

[surreal kestrel]

Fate bound is the suggested spec currently right?

That’s what I could find at least

[potent pivot]

you can play either

fatebound got nerfed

so now just play the one you prefer

[surreal kestrel]

New to assa either way

[sharp sierra]

fatebound fun for extended fights

ds is fun for obliterating with rmp

[potent pivot]

you'll probably be better off starting with fatebound then

[unborn portal]

🥀

[potent pivot]

deathstalker is usually considered more difficult to play optimally

[surreal kestrel]

I love obliterating that’s why I’m sub main lol

[sharp sierra]

oh sub sorry i thought asssa

[surreal kestrel]

Yeah I’m trying out assassination rogue

[potent pivot]

fatebound is more ST focused

deathstalker is more cleave focused

[surreal kestrel]

St?

[potent pivot]

single target

[surreal kestrel]

Oooh okay

[empty copper]

hey guys , why does my sort group addon bugg out all the time

sometimes it puts me on top when it comes to arenas

and randomly sometimes it swaps bottom

which kinda always swaps my @party 1 ,2 and 3 macros

makes it so confusing

[spring bough]

honestly guys after 2 weeks of solo there is so much burst i dont even want to play anymore lmao

[proper burrow]

Which specs burst the most? I need something op to get mmr

[spring bough]

locks, mage, hunter, DK, any warrior

oh ret too

going like 7mil plus on dumb shit and we over here getting nerfed on 3mil coins

[covert raptor]

I wouldn't mind the burst if I didn't feel like I was constantly being micro cced by literally fucking everything

Feels like so many classes have rogue level of control now

[spring bough]

that too. its the burst ontop of 10 diff micro CCs

miss one interrupt or hit a precog and its over

"oh he precogged me? Let me 8x fear them then stun them oh AND send 20 chaos bolts on 1 second or less cast times" dead

[waxen meteor]

that went back to class uniqueness thing too

imo, what was done at Cataclysm and Panda killed the game once, just give every class same skills, with a different name and slightly different animation

said multiple times, it's just a way for devs to take a shortcut to deal with crying

You cry for no cc, you cry for no damage, you cry for no immunity, how about i give everybody the same, so you stop crying

Yeah it's 'balanced' then why do we need many classes/specs

[waxen meteor]

and it could be also you didn't take the bite, your teammate did.

[covert raptor]

I feel like it's also a "classes are now designed for M+" problem

[waxen meteor]

or even worse, it could be you simply you both interrupted correctly, just same time

[spring bough]

i had some MM just precog a lock. lock lit him up killed him. then he is in my whispers WHY U TRIGGER PRECOG

like bro i casted 0 interrupts

[covert raptor]

Everything is just a light show mess of aoe cc, hots, dots, cds, self heals, insane mobility

[waxen meteor]

might be even Rshamy

[spring bough]

then this lock pillar hugs and gets lit up by MM in the next round or two. i said something to piss him off and get "im repoting u on all 7 of my accts" lol

like bro dont teleport back when healers 90 yards across map

then blame me somehow RIP

[waxen meteor]

well

shitty people

everywhere

i am not too much bothered by that, in most cases

[spring bough]

3 lobbys today and im at the same rating i started at.... time to stop solo for the day

[spring bough]

lock/mm turned a hopeful 3-3 for me into a 1-5

[waxen meteor]

gonna finish 4 tier set tmr

will see

[spring bough]

yeah ima wait for that now

[waxen meteor]

i still cannot tell if it adds much value for deathstalker yet

but anyway will give it a try

I do want to try some 2s with fatebound

might finish ret alt 2.4 soon before it's nerfed

[dark kernel]

There's one of those galaxy brain things that just not using kick at all scares casters the most because you always have it.

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-meme-big-brain-big-brain-meme-big-brain-time-gif-2441110471562975014

[waxen meteor]

tbh, very few specs have anything that worths a kick now

and by not kicking you can see them fail biting 247 into a defensive cd lol

[spring bough]

wow in a rated

whole game crashed

indie company at its finest inc 150 rating loss

[waxen meteor]

I played SP alt long so I honestly don't even care about anything SP casts but Void Torrent

if you bite on Void Torrent, you better cancel it fast to bite me, then even if you bite me successfully, you have no dmg in precog

[waxen meteor]

I probably need to change my laptop, I somehow got 10 seconds screen freeze in lots of my lobbies

[vocal surge]

F

[spring bough]

somehow most casters stop cast right as i hit interrupt

so i dont do it oftern lol

[waxen meteor]

I think other than Affli lock, most specs have only 1 or at most 2 specs to even kick

and most use other skills to bite

[spring bough]

i want one change for pvp going into Midnight.... i just want to be able to que up for LFGs while i sit in a Blitz que

this whole "you cantt que while inside a battleground" thing so ridiculous

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah

that's kinda stupid

although i guess in a way i understand

they don't want you to join a team then your queue pops, then everyone waits for you

i believe there are plenty of players just don't give a fuck to others

---

what I would really love to have is to be able to queue multiple characters together, like if i have 5 characeters under same account, just let me queue all 5 together, whatever pops first, i will play..

[empty fable]

Bite?

[empty fable]

I mean, you can be in a Blitz queue already when in BG. you just can't join a new one. I think the reason is grouping/premade stuff (if you're in a group can only queue as a group)

[daring plover]

are we all enjoying solo RBGs?

[waxen meteor]

blitz is really a rolling dice

[empty fable]

outlaw life 😁

[waxen meteor]

most times it's a game of luck

if you don't end up with more dumb head, you win

[daring plover]

i feel like its gotta be net positive overall tho, RBGs were so dead.

[waxen meteor]

I don't think the game is capable of calculating net positive value

I surely understand what you mean lol

[molten hedge]

How come meld stealth to get subterfuge only works sometimes lol for assa

I’m like spamming it

[waxen meteor]

it's a bug

and it most likley won't be fixed

[molten hedge]

Worms sometimes

Works

I try to los when I do it

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's a bug under certain conditions

I remember someone posted when it will fail in the past in here

[daring plover]

I was asking the PVE channel why more people dont run NE if its basically a re-open? I didnt really get a direct answer.

What benefit is meld other then dodging a cast?

[halcyon timber]

That’s clogging a toilet

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure if you can't reopen with NE at PvE, especially in boss fight

Do you get out of combat from meld in PvE? I think no?

[daring plover]

Bosses no. M+ trash i think you do?

[raven terrace]

if you are 5 night elves your tank can pull certain packs and you all shadowmeld it

skipping it essentially

but you probably wont be able to find 5 night elves in a pub that can coordinate that

btw can someone explain to me how to select my targets in arena and how to secure a kill as an assassin rogue

[daring plover]

if im 4 set heroic/mythic from raiding, any reason I shouldnt just throw these on them?

[empty fable]

transmog would be sole reason

they were specifically added in s2 for that purpose (adding to heroic/mythic)

[daring plover]

i could add them to my normal versiion tier for 2 sets of PVE PVP?

[vocal surge]

RIP

[modest ore]

is there a way to cast 1 ability if not in stealth and if in stealth it chooses a different ability with the same button/macro?

[halcyon timber]

Choice is yours alone to make man.

[halcyon timber]

Conditional macros? Maybe. You would have to look up what blizz enabled as an exhaustive list is on their site of things they added like that (may have been DF s4 or TWW s1 iirc). You could just use your stealth bar for stealth abilities as it overrides the nonstealth bar though naturally - up to you though- . Your call rogue.

I wouldn’t rely on stuff like that though.

[raven terrace]

finally got 1300

[vocal surge]

Gratz

[tender tartan]

im one good shuffle away from 1800 and being done until im ready to push for 2100. Kinda scared to do the latter part :c

I want the weaps so badly though

[halcyon timber]

Keep at it man. Good movement forward.

[tender tartan]

gz

[raven terrace]

im still quite lost on what im supposed to be doing but im just clicking rupture and envenom on people

[halcyon timber]

The Assassins can mentor you properly for sure. Don’t sweat it dude.

[tender tartan]

close enough to it. For me what got me higher is trying to maximize my stealth windows control output

cheap shotting, keeping bleeds up, kidneying either healer or kill target when they waste movement spell LOSing heals

buffed garrote to bully casters is sleeper op

but generally just ccing people as they get off DR to give your team a chance to reset has been HUGE for my gains

(that's prolly just a general rogue thing tho, im coming from dh, push the things as they come off cd no thought)

[raven terrace]

yeah what ive been trying to do is use my vanish to cheap shot and garrotte enemies if my teammate is close to dying

[tender tartan]

another thing that helps is keeping mental track of who has an improved garrote on them, you dont wanna overwrite with a normal one if you can help it

[raven terrace]

improved garrote is the one that silences right?

[tender tartan]

yea, during your subterfuge window

[raven terrace]

by the way am i supposed to take kingsbane

[tender tartan]

the bleed from improved garrote does more damage, and using a normal one will overwrite it, not just extend

are you fatebound?

[raven terrace]

yeah

[tender tartan]

I think so then, with tier at least

[raven terrace]

i need to exhange it though for one of the other bottom talents

im not sure which one so i havent taken kingsbane yet in my games

[tender tartan]

this is what i was using when i was on fb

[raven terrace]

copied a talent tree i saw from a pikaboo video and playing it

[tender tartan]

I play DS only now tho

[raven terrace]

so you dont take the bone spikes

that makes sense

[potent pivot]

these talents are in the pins here xd

the talents i've been seeing in yt videos lately have been so cooked

[raven terrace]

i have no clue gang

btw i see an outlaw build but ive been told outlaw sucks in pvp

should i try it?

[potent pivot]

lmao

usually when you see someone say that its because they were salty about it getting nerfed

play the spec you wanna play

[raven terrace]

okay gang appreciate the advice

[exotic dove]

LOL yeah I was laughing at some of them

[tender tartan]

im so close

also, what the FUCK is pvp survival

i stunned the healer with a 45s rupture on the mage
surv hunter grapples accross the map and literally takes bro from full to 10% in half a second
like ???????????

[modest ore]

i swear it feels likethey root me 100 times

[vocal surge]

Flanking Strike go brrr

[copper arrow]

How’s assa feel in arena after coin nerf?

[potent pivot]

fine

[molten hedge]

I noticed I don’t have a ton of envenoms bc I’m always multi bleeding. Is DS moreso for survivability and the rest of the tree? I get a few big envenoms but maybe I’m not consuming all my marks quick enough

[potent pivot]

its not really about envenoms, you just use envenoms to consume the darkest night buff as DS

to reapply your Marks

[viscid dagger]

Does it matter FB vs DS? Or both fairly similar…FB seems easier to play. Also, when should we be using ambush?

[potent pivot]

pretty much got the answer already it seems

ambush is used to apply your Marks if you're playing DS, not really used as FB

[daring plover]

ya just making sure im not trippin, i can farm some low tier and just have that as my pvp set

[silent charm]

does anyone know how the outlaw 4p will work in pvp? is it reduced to 33% effectiveness, i.e. only 10 seconds off AR and 3 seconds off GS?

and is it every time you get 7 flips for lucky coin or is it just a shorter max cooldown if you use it while lucky coin is active?

cause if its the latter, that sounds really shit in pvp and not worth the amount of mastery you have to stack to run the 4p lol

[dark kernel]

These queues

are actually fucking insane

[potent pivot]

it should be reduced BY 33%, not TO 33%

[silent charm]

i thought all of them were bugged to be the reverse

maybe that was fake lol

cause normally its only 50%

and i think it ended up being the opposite of whatever they said itd be

[potent pivot]

i haven't seen anything that'd suggest that

wouldn't be surprised though ngl

these tier sets are all strong af

[silent charm]

right now the trickster one is showing it operates at 33% effectiveness

[potent pivot]

ye i know what they read as on the sites

[pliant mauve]

Is there any reason to use two pve pieces to make the 4 set for Assa? I’m guessing no since they’re only like 700 ilvl?

[potent pivot]

the sites/spell data are like notoriously dogshit though

[silent charm]

if you used your conq wisely, you should be able to have 4p tomorrow with 3 conq and 1 bloody token piece which would be far better than any pve gear

[potent pivot]

as long as they're not TOO far under conq ilvl its probably fine

[silent charm]

@potent pivot this is on wowhead

the reason it feels unnerfed in pvp is cause edge case itself isnt nerfed

the tier set procs it twice

[potent pivot]

i know

[silent charm]

so im curious if the 4p will mean that its only reducing the cooldowns of AR and GS by 33% of what the tooltip says, which would be really shit

10 sec on AR and 3 sec on GS is basically meaningless when you have to sacrifice all that vers and haste

and thats ALL the 4p does

[potent pivot]

idk i think ppl put way too much stock into stats

like the haste doesn't even matter

you only really need 15-20% haste depending on build

[silent charm]

yeah but having to run at least one of these to get 4p is pretty bad

and this isnt much better, though it does have vers at least

[potent pivot]

its not a big deal

especially as outlaw all your stats are like

just as shit as the others

[silent charm]

thats why stacking DRed vers and haste is just usually better lol

[potent pivot]

once you have like 20% haste and 30% vers you barely need to care about stats

[silent charm]

for more tankiness and auto attack speed for energy regen

[potent pivot]

no i'm saying more haste/vers is just as shit

[silent charm]

ehhh i disagree, we're already not really doing damage outside of coins, BtE, and KS. mastery is so much more useless than literally anything else for outlaw

like its actually ridiculously bad

[potent pivot]

i disagree

[stoic spruce]

In pvp no, purely because crit and bte is nerfed

[silent charm]

crit isnt much better, but at least we have basically permanent crit modifiers

and it still buffs the damage of bte/KS/fatebound which mastery doesnt

even if its only a small amount

those are literally the only abilities our damage matters on

[stoic spruce]

It's so inconsequential it doesn't even matter

[potent pivot]

if you run enough mastery main gauche becomes one of your top damage sources

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[silent charm]

yeah but it doesnt mean its higher than the amount of damage youre losing elsewhere lmao it just means you invested in a shit ability

with the amount of snares and roots and kiting you need to do as outlaw, you dont want that much of your damage profile tied to melee hits

[stoic spruce]

Stat for stat outlaw doesn't gain a lot going crit

[potent pivot]

sure, but the point remains

especially in pvp, but even in pve, people put way too much stock into stats

[stoic spruce]

Point for point*

[potent pivot]

stacking 2 stats and nothing else 90% of the time is just wrong

[silent charm]

yeah you still spill over into crit

[potent pivot]

even a few % of mastery is more than fine

[silent charm]

its not unplayable obviously, im just debating if its worth it for 10 sec off AR and 3 sec off GS

[potent pivot]

yeh i mean that kinda remains to be seen

but

[silent charm]

because with 4p youd be running somewhere around 3000-4000 mastery (in pvp), which is like 10%

[potent pivot]

outlaw has run 4p sets for a while now iirc

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[silent charm]

theyve been more impactful before

[potent pivot]

because the small stat differences just don't matter

[stoic spruce]

You're running 4pc

100%

[potent pivot]

idk i wouldn't say that

[stoic spruce]

Stats don't mean anything once you get the required haste

[potent pivot]

this season's tier sets (unnerfed) are like 2x as strong as recent season's tier sets

[silent charm]

i still dont even know exactly how the CDR from the 4p works, if its just lowering the max cooldown while lucky coin is active, or if you get that amount off every time you get lucky coin

[potent pivot]

even if they're nerfed by 17% more, that'd still be stronger than recent ones

[stoic spruce]

While lucky coin is active, the 3 minute adr cooldown is 2 and a half minutes

[potent pivot]

and who's to say we won't just play trickster?

honestly

[silent charm]

got it, so in pvp where its 33% effective, itd be 10 sec off

[stoic spruce]

No, that's not the part that's nerfed

[silent charm]

?

thats the ONLY effect of the 4p

30 sec off AR and 15 sec off GS

[stoic spruce]

They also nerf 2pc

[silent charm]

2p is basically unnerfed

because the edge case flips arent affected by the modifier

since its just a proc

the part thats nerfed is the 50% dam increase on GS

which is completely inconsequential

since the damage is from the double edge case

thats why fatebound outlaw and assa popped off so hard

the most broken part of their 2p is effectively unnerfed in pvp

while everyone else is at 33%

there are a handful of other specs with the same thing, like i think one of resto druids hero talents is 10x better in pvp because it operates similarly, just proccing a different ability (and you cant make a proc 33% effective, its just a proc)

but yeah its season 3 so stats are so inflated now anyway it probably doesnt matter, that 10 seconds off AR might actually be important in some cases lol

its just a turbo boring 4p lol

[potent pivot]

could also just play trickster

double coup is nice

[silent charm]

yeah though 3 min CD on KS (even with the reduction from the trickster tree) is soooooo bad in pvp right now with the 20% restless blades nerf

the only thing making outlaw damage even remotely viable is the cracked 2p from fatebound

[potent pivot]

its not exactly cracked anymore

[silent charm]

its still making up most of our damage lol

[potent pivot]

they nerfed coin damage base by 33%

[silent charm]

even still, its most of our damage

[potent pivot]

well yeah, but it legit always has

..

[silent charm]

not to this degree

and we never had burst on command with it

like we do now with GS

it was just RNG

[potent pivot]

yes?

[silent charm]

trickster was better for single target burst

[stoic spruce]

Yes, it was always this good

[potent pivot]

coin has always been our top damage

[stoic spruce]

Not true at all

Trickster was more reliable

And buffed KS

[silent charm]

yeah when it was old KS

[stoic spruce]

When it was old ks, fatebound was still better

[silent charm]

i think that was just after the CDR nerfs tbf, before that trickster was better for focusing someone down so most of us were playing it in shuffle

[stoic spruce]

Nope

Was always that way

[potent pivot]

the only thing thats really changed is proc'ing lucky coin should basically be guaranteed now instead of being omega rng

[stoic spruce]

And the cdr nerf is why we're taking 4pc because outlaw doesn't function without adr

[grave basin]

literally 90% of classes just stack vers mastery or haste mastery in pvp

[silent charm]

the point is that outlaw damage was dogshit either way last season, and it was dogshit in the preseason for this season (unless the stars aligned for a KS), and the 2p from fatebound actually put our damage on the map

[grave basin]

exceptions being hunters/warriors

[silent charm]

MM?

[grave basin]

sv uses all 4 stats

[silent charm]

also im pretty sure warriors stacked mastery last season too

arms did anyway

[grave basin]

arms wanted haste to 20%

[silent charm]

BM was mastery in S1 and then haste in S2, or vice versa i forget

[grave basin]

then rest mastery

[silent charm]

most other specs use mastery way more than outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Some specs only need so much vers

[silent charm]

it needs a rework so badly

[stoic spruce]

Because they have better haste and mastery stats

[silent charm]

yeah hpriest would opt to not even run vers on some crafted gear

to get more mastery/haste

[stoic spruce]

Because they'd get vers from pvp gear

[silent charm]

yeah but they werent capping the DRs on it

[stoic spruce]

That's an outlaw has bad stats issue

[silent charm]

well and a crit modifier in pvp nerf hitting outlaw extra hard

[stoic spruce]

The only spec that does that

[grave basin]

yea but they totally taxed you to make haste better

😂

[stoic spruce]

Luckily it only takes a few pieces to get the haste you need

[grave basin]

it's the principle

[stoic spruce]

Ik

[grave basin]

of taxing you to make your spell function like it once did

[stoic spruce]

But the reality is its not hard to budget for

Which is what I'm saying

[grave basin]

well they wanted to haste to mean something

it does now

[stoic spruce]

They got it

[grave basin]

they did a proper haste scaling with ww

haste directly increases fists

and gives it lesser CD

[silent charm]

we have this thats directly impacted by haste

and technically increases our energy regen

cause of fatal flourish

which can be big if youre just being a CC bot for a mage and need energy for CS/kidney/etc.

its a miniscule difference when youre that high into haste DRs lmao but its more than just haste's baseline effect

they need to add that kinda stuff for the leather energy specs though cause we dont get the GCD or cast time benefits

[potent pivot]

this ends up being pretty small though really

[silent charm]

yeah its nothing crazy ofc

[potent pivot]

thats why generally in pve they stick to the haste breakpoints

because its just not good beyond that

[silent charm]

yeah but in pve you also basically have 100% AR uptime

which is NOT the case in pvp

so your attack speed when not under AR is more impactful

which means those cutoffs arent always 100% true to pvp

[potent pivot]

idts man

[silent charm]

about what?

[potent pivot]

about it being more impactful/not true for pvp

i've seen and tried 10%/20%/30% haste etc and there's just not a real difference in damage output to be had

[silent charm]

its not really about damage output though, its about energy management. which is much harder in pvp where youre sending out CC that costs energy and getting less auto attack uptime from CC/snares

[potent pivot]

HO needing X% and KiR needing Y% is the only big difference

[silent charm]

yeah i mean relative to each other its the same

im just saying in general you need more haste in pvp than pve since its not just damage simming

and in pve youre not wasting your energy on CC as much

[potent pivot]

maybe thats true when outlaw's damage is utter dogshit

[silent charm]

which it usually is lmao

[potent pivot]

but most of the time i think you're giving up more than its worth

[potent pivot]

ehh

[stoic spruce]

Last season wasn't the rule but an exception

[silent charm]

last season was like incredibly bad, but the damage hasnt really been the feature since SL. in DF it was still just a support bot, even though its pressure was still better than last season

cheap shot was one of the only CC abilities that got longer after the CC rework and trinket set bonus removal, so frequent vanishes became a bit more OP. plus that was still before the RtB lust talent was removed lol

[stoic spruce]

The dmg is never the feature

Wdym?

[gleaming sentinel]

flips coin misses the catch

I see you guys are discussing the best spec in wow

[stoic spruce]

All your attacks are low because you're doing so many of them

[silent charm]

yeah but in SL it was so giga broken in other ways that you actually were doing a lot of damage lol

so thats why i clarified

[stoic spruce]

The by-product of borrowed power

Outlaw had 0 counter then

With er dust

[silent charm]

shadowdust was so unforgivably broken i cant believe it lasted as long as it did lol

with the already short CD on blind, and this was pre-CC rework blind too lmao

so literally blind > sap like every 45 seconds

[potent pivot]

they rarely tuned back then

[stoic spruce]

It was long enough to get a healer out of combat for a blind sap

And that's what mattered

[silent charm]

yeah thats why blind got nerfed to 5 sec while all the other similar ccs were nerfed to 6

they specifically wanted to remove blind > sap

[stoic spruce]

Yeah but we still have an infinite amount of cc still

[silent charm]

all of the other 7 second CCs i should say

[dark kernel]

are we philosophizing

[stoic spruce]

Idk whats going on tbh

[grave basin]

Coping you mean

[silent charm]

i was originally asking about whether or not the fatebound 4p would be utterly useless in pvp

at 33% effectiveness

[stoic spruce]

It's turning into a CD spec next expac

[silent charm]

because i wasnt even certain how it worked exactly

[dark kernel]

We dont know for sure but its something

we may be more back to Trickster anyway

with 4pc

[gleaming sentinel]

I show you nothing but love and you say such hurtful things to me

[silent charm]

yeah but the drawback is that 3/5 of rogue set pieces are mastery

[stoic spruce]

We do know

And we will

[silent charm]

and 2 of them are 1k+ mastery which means youd have to run at least one

[dark kernel]

yeah

all but gloves IMO

[silent charm]

but i think we settled on the fact that the secondary stats just dont really matter enough

[dark kernel]

yeah

[silent charm]

and 10 sec off AR could matter

[stoic spruce]

They dont

Just get your haste and GG

[dark kernel]

yeah its 10 seconds and it can re-trigger

we just dont know how often it will

[silent charm]

oh it CAN retrigger?

[stoic spruce]

No

Its perma

Until you break combat and drop it

[dark kernel]

could you possibly /cancelaura

[silent charm]

the description reads like as long as lucky coin is ACTIVE the cooldown is shorter

[dark kernel]

the buff

[silent charm]

but then the cooldown reverts right?

[dark kernel]

there just needs to be testing

[stoic spruce]

This is correct

[silent charm]

or does it maintain wherever it left off

idk how that even works lol

like this isnt just CDR, this is changing the MAX cooldown

does putting the max back on add that amount to the remaining cooldown?

thats whatd matter

well actually no it wouldnt

because youre never getting more than 10 sec off

[stoic spruce]

It's really not this deep

Adr cd is lower with lucky coin active

Normal cd when it's not

[silent charm]

yeah so reapplying it does nothing

[stoic spruce]

No

[silent charm]

well either way its a pretty shit 4p in pvp lol but it offsets the fact that the 2p is broken

[stoic spruce]

Let's not use the term broken in this context

[silent charm]

tbh when i first read the set bonuses i thought the double edge case was part of the 4p because of the gap lol

[stoic spruce]

It's rather balanced tbh

[silent charm]

broken in the sense that the 33% modifier basically doesnt apply

its just on an otherwise shit spec lol

[stoic spruce]

It's popping off still

But we'll see when everyone gets gear.

[silent charm]

it seems like most people arent running the stam talent but it is kinda funny that with the buffed pvp trinket and our stam talent being like 30% extra stam in pvp we have 20 million HP at like half conq gear lol

[tender tartan]

3 hours of healers going 6-0 while im at 1783

but its finally over (til my braindamage tells me to queue more for the weaps)

[tired mountain]

had a fire alarm go off right as i got into a rated match lmao

[stoic spruce]

This match is gonna be legendary

[tired mountain]

oh no that was a few hours ago, made the choice that rating is not worth the potential for severe burns (fake gamer i know)

[stoic spruce]

If this joke becomes real I'm leaving the server

Because

Well here's the thing

A spec like Outlaw just doesn't work in today's version of wow

When cooldowns are sooooo important

Even BM has some semblance of CDs

Dmg CDs*

[gleaming sentinel]

Hopefully their “big cd” was killing spree rework

[stoic spruce]

I'm fully expecting about 3 miniscule changes tbf

So

Anything would be surprising

[halcyon timber]

I would confirm asking more people as I do not touch pve often. Just now seeing this as I have been gone.

Definitely ask the guys who pve in here. I haven’t cared about mythics or raids in a while.

[hidden moth]

Ight lads is it time I pvp?

Aotc and 3k taken care of before end of week 2

[modest ore]

kingsbane first? or deathmark first?

[daring plover]

will do

[boreal briar]

Nice game there Val. Sad how little damage outlaw does though, especially when compared to unholy and DH.

[potent pivot]

don't think val ever even chills in here

[potent pivot]

doesn't really matter

DM first should add a bit extra damage to the first hit, but it's kinda negligible

pve example

[hybrid sapphire]

hit 2500 last season now im stuck at 2k

what gives?

im dying constantly and i do no damage

[potent pivot]

At what point of the season? Lol

[hybrid sapphire]

🤕

Damn I’m washed

[potent pivot]

Inflation always resets at the start of a new season

[grave basin]

Welcome to inflation

Nothing to do with being washed

If you were 2.5k shuffle last season you should be around 2.2 now

[edgy vine]

dude i played warrior after ranking shaman

i got 2100 in 30 games or so

what is this game

does anyone remember this achieve? what happened to the title?

The slayer of the horde title

[languid ravine]

PvE people got it so hard man, I grinded out 2300 m+ rating and still dont get +10 invites on the most meta spec

shuffle queues are nothing compared to that poor PvE guys

[gusty hedge]

u still can get it/have it on the character you got the title/completed quest on . if you faction swap that character you also lose the title.

[raven terrace]

i used to have a full mythic geared fwarr on release of tww with +10 on every dung and still didnt get any invites 🥲

[digital inlet]

thats just lfg experience

[halcyon timber]

Pvers be damned. Them and their little ideas .

[grave basin]

Which spec

[grave basin]

It only costed you 2.5hours

Warriors are good for shuffle since it's a generalist spec

Though full wizard lobbies tend to just be /afk material

I remember warrior on blades edge before they took it out of the rotation Vs 2x mages 2x rsham

😭

[edgy vine]

The SL arena feels like that i swear

[grave basin]

SL arena is maldraxxus?

[edgy vine]

the kyrian one

[grave basin]

What, not even close

Kyrian has no z axis

[edgy vine]

that is true

[grave basin]

Best now is the new undermine arena

To compare

[edgy vine]

that one is just horrible

the los's dont make sense

youre slightly off the even terrain and youre los'd

like wtf

I jump and cast riptide sometimes XD

[grave basin]

Where in the hell is tuning though

Every lobby is 2x hpal 2x ret

It's an infestation of pink class

[edgy vine]

blizzard is afraid the paladins gonna nuke their discord again ;p

[grave basin]

Atleast rsham is really popular now

Can rip off bops/alters

[edgy vine]

yea shaman is really really strong

esp with the tier set and farseer

if you play constructed 3s and you sync with your 2 dps

holy hell youre unkillable

shuffle is a nightmare tho esp with zug warriors and fighting rogues

The amount of times I had to trinket a dr'd sap to save a teammate on the opener is crzy

[grave basin]

Above 2.1 shuffle rn

Guess rets are really skilled

[digital inlet]

pretty sure those assa players are all before nerf and just havent played since lol

[edgy vine]

are we already post nerf?

for assa?

Ftb still feels nice

ballin

[spring bough]

Weps today boys

[digital inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cute-go-cheering-rage-gif-16641949

cant wait for it to make 0 difference and i still get one shot by mages and hunters

[edgy vine]

@grave basin

sitting at a comfortabl 2100 exact

I aint touching the shaman till all the sweats are gone

[grave basin]

Grats brah

[keen canopy]

well hey is it really WoW PvP if a hunter doesn't aimed shot you for your entire health bar?

[grave basin]

I don't really feel like pushing either lol

Just play maybe 2 lobbies a night and if I win great if I lose W/e

[edgy vine]

hows hunter treating you?

[grave basin]

P good, sv is actually not dogshit

[edgy vine]

Why not mm? just curious

[grave basin]

Compared to mm and sv

I don't like how mm plays

[edgy vine]

what causes black arrow to hit so hard?

i swear sometimes it one shots

other times it hits like a wet noodle

[keen canopy]

probably precise shots

[grave basin]

Mm has too much variance

Even in pve

[keen canopy]

yeah sometimes it's like you're either doing all of their health or none of their health

[edgy vine]

Crazy stuff

dude at 2200 they should allow us to buy 1 old elite set

I dream of the warrior s1 wod set

the transformer set

[digital inlet]

they wont do that, its the same as bringing mop challenge mode stuff back or mage tower theyve said they wont

[edgy vine]

i know they wont but its just sad

Tbh i dont buy the whole mage tower stuff tbh they could alway tune it to current season gear they have shown to be ble to do it with delves

[dark kernel]

As a dps, my cues were 28 minutes last night at only $1,900 MMR

It was awful

I already missed the end of season push

[edgy vine]

and like towards tail end of MT stats was so fuckign nuts that it was super steamroll

I abused that at the end of legion

I agree they shouldnt bring back like glad mounts and to a certain extent i think CE mounts shouldnt be farmable post expansion

but mage tower

hmmmmm

And like I personally and not asking for handouts make it at the same level of difficulty as it was back then im fine with that but these simple stuff should be obtainable

[gleaming sentinel]

Weapons and 4pce people will play more

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot is it troll to play kingsbane with DS? Ik FB tier makes it way better but just curious idk how insane bone spike is

[dark moon]

tomorrow for the plebs :<

[stoic spruce]

When alpha?

[grave basin]

They've been drip feeding us info

[keen canopy]

yeah and it's like why wont they let us get old elite set's it's the dumbest thing

as if i have some prestige like 1800 is the hardest thing ever to get?

[gleaming sentinel]

They’d be less cool

[spring bough]

We getting the first beta invites don’t worry

[keen canopy]

i feel like if i showed an elite set and a mythic set to a player 80% of the playerbase wouldn't be able to tell me which is which

and you can get mythic sets whenever

[spring bough]

Outlaw is dead last on raid ST boss damage. Possible aura buffs inc???? Hopefully none of that bullshit like ** doesn’t affect PvP 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

Whaaz winning the tournament as outlaw took away any PvP buff hopes for me

Val played with cdew and they did pretty good as outlaw dk lol. He’d just tricks mes and they’d own

[edgy vine]

Isit just mw or is blitz mmr wild

I wont 7 in a row which placed my mmv at 2100

Lost 2 and my mmr is 1300

???????

Won a game after that for 17 points

[dark kernel]

Don't take blitz seriously it's that simplw

I treat blitz as a random BG

[edgy vine]

Ya man i wouldnt do it if i wasnt teying to get the 1800 hwl mogs for my alts

[spring bough]

Blitz MMR isn’t wild it’s trash

Last season. I got to probably 2350 or so. Then lost idk probably 10 games in a row and lost 0 rating then won probably 3 games and got 2400. It’s whacked

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/definitely-maybe-romance-comedy-ryan-reynolds-yep-gif-12564222

[edgy vine]

You must have been at 10k mmv

[spring bough]

So with blitz rack up the loses till u get that first rating loss and then be cautious 😂

[edgy vine]

[edgy vine]

Btw are you 2400 in solo yet?

[spring bough]

Nah 2171. Was up to 2366 on the other outlaw but lost that and I’m focusing on the new one now lol

[edgy vine]

Smart move

Abusing the fresh mmr

[spring bough]

The first rogue was on a burner act with 0 mogs or 0 mounts. Second ones on my main acct with all of that so that’s the new main lol

[edgy vine]

Man i swapped off outlaw just as it was getting good

No regrets tho

Assa is stupid broken

Even with the nerfs

[spring bough]

Yeah if only I didn’t play sin like I’m outlaw I would be okay lol

[edgy vine]

Hahaa

Rets nerfs inc?

Havent seen the patchnotes

[lean prawn]

I really want to try outlaw in pvp, some tips or guide for start?

[edgy vine]

This is the greatest thread i have read thus far

[spring bough]

Don’t really have a guide. Just get setup with some crit/haste/verse gear. Try out HO fatebound and KIR fatebound in some skirmishes and see what you like

Just gotta learn the rolls what to keep when to reroll and other than that it’s just smashing finishers and pushing that CDR to pump more and CC more

[potent pivot]

Wouldn’t recommend it

[jolly sierra]

shadowlands be like

[edgy vine]

I thought it was cool back in bfa when drestagath was bis for pvp

But def dont want a repeat tbh

[lean prawn]

I also remember the thorns coming out of the ground because of a trinket, which in pvp were evil

bfa, really strange expansion for pvp players

[edgy vine]

yea that shit made rmp go wild

[potent pivot]

Idk this seems overplayed

You aren’t forced to pve rn

[lean prawn]

No, we need only to wait some weeks

[edgy vine]

servers are up boys

time to q more blitz

[waxen meteor]

🤣

[waxen meteor]

if you want to push for 4 tier sooner, in a way yeah you have to

not sure which spec has super 4 tier though

[potent pivot]

the post was making it out that you can't get tier without doing pve

[waxen meteor]

well

i think it's apparently saying for short term

[potent pivot]

the average player doesn't have to rush to get 4p a week or two ahead

[waxen meteor]

just like PvEers don't care about the conquest trinket anyway after week1

[spring bough]

But but we min maxing here

[waxen meteor]

It was all about first weeks

for both sides

[potent pivot]

ew

[waxen meteor]

Like nobody in PvE cares about the conquest trinkets after 4 weeks.

[keen canopy]

yeah but thats all like first week stuff

[potent pivot]

depends on spec

sometimes badge is nearly BiS for pve

[spring bough]

I’m impressed with myself that I didn’t use all 9 crafting thingys on a wep this season 😂

[keen canopy]

and i mean if you really care about first week stuff so much dont you have bigger fish to fry than farming a few crates or doing a few delves?

[waxen meteor]

i don't know, the item level is too low for me

[potent pivot]

like for sub rogue the past 2 seasons

badge was like -0.2% from BiS

some people used it the entire season

it was also near BiS for assa last season, by a bit bigger difference though

[spring bough]

Feel like that forum post should be the opposite way. If you missed tier drops week 1, PvP would guarantee 2 set if you hit 1600

[waxen meteor]

I think the conquest even upgraded to 8/8 is still quite low item level

[potent pivot]

not many specs are 1min burst specs

[potent pivot]

ye it just doesn't matter for a spec like sub

[waxen meteor]

That's the real thing yeah

[potent pivot]

ilvl doesn't matter when you're getting the on demand 1min burst

[waxen meteor]

tbh the biggest advantage is hitting 1600 is a lot faster than 2000 M+ rating

well, at least it was not that fast for 2000 M+ rating when I did PvE in DF...

1600 for us is like 4 lobbies...

or 6-7 blitz wins

[dark kernel]

Yeh

First week of shuffle is wild west though

I've had leavers in 1/3 of my games

[spring bough]

I’m excited for some four set fun today with some max lvl weps

Oh and a new 720 crafted for pve gonna be fun too

[keen canopy]

really i only had like 2 leavers in my first week shuffle games

[waxen meteor]

I had no leavers actually

[keen canopy]

and one of those was me because my internet went out the second i got into my first game of the season

[waxen meteor]

well one person offline, not sure intended

[grave basin]

for NA

make sure to do this

so you dont have to do sparks quest

[keen canopy]

but think of the 50 whole conquest or whatever the sparks gives you

thats like
one whole crate

[waxen meteor]

I love those 500 bloody token ones

it's super good for alt

you baiscally do one of these, and finish one weekly you basically done for blood coin this season

[spring bough]

Damn beat Ivan to it

[grave basin]

we're off to a good start ladies and gentlemen

[spring bough]

Ight pvp outlaws. Looks like if ghostly is say 45 seconds or less away from CD you should be saving it for vanish. Same with adrenaline. Open from vanish with ghostly adrenaline macro to max coins

[dark kernel]

Is there a specific order it needs to even be in? I assume you have AR first in case range bugs for ghostly

But I didn't know if any specific spell modified a coin differently

[gusty hedge]

Cs AR Gs

[dark kernel]

Pretty much what I do but I don't macro. My GS is X and AR is Z

Easy to slam

[gusty hedge]

thats my cloak n vanish buttons

[sturdy canopy]

ferals kinda nutty eh

[dark kernel]

Shift 1 is cloak, F is vanish

[keen canopy]

vanish always on G

[waxen meteor]

btw, did anyone try to finish the main quest chain?

it seems it's just taking FOREVER

this week, been doing unlimited quest in the zoo

[edgy vine]

20min q for blitz!

[gleaming pawn]

It’s fucking awful

[edgy vine]

comeone blizzard wtf

[waxen meteor]

whoever the designer is, must be crazy

[gleaming pawn]

I swear it’s like an hour per branch of the quest line. And it’s all boring slog bullshit

[waxen meteor]

I think I literally got a full time job at zoo

I am still alive only because I am queueing pvp anyway

[waxen meteor]

and i don't know man, i have been doing that quest in main rogue queueing time, it just feels unlimited

I am still not sure where I am at the chain

just unlimited zoo activities

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah it feels like it goes on forever, no idea what they were thinking with that shit

[waxen meteor]

Did you finish all main quest last week?

the yelllow !s

[gleaming pawn]

No I got 3 done after felt drained of my will to even be on the computer so I stopped

[waxen meteor]

I think I got 3 done too

I have no clue how many more there

from achievement tabs, it feels like there are like 7 or 8 lol

I hope I am reading it wrong

[gleaming pawn]

lol you’re not reading it wrong, there’s just that much busy work. My only hope is that maybe the later ones don’t take so damn long

[waxen meteor]

you wish

[grave basin]

that's not the main quest

[waxen meteor]

it shows in hte main quest tab

It doesn't feel like main quest of course...

[grave basin]

no it's optional

for the ecodome meta achievement

[late oriole]

For outlaw conquest weapons, are yall doing axe and a dagger?

[dark kernel]

Double swords probably.

Going dagger offhand isn't necessary anymore. Axes are PROBABLY the best decision for stats

[gusty hedge]

if multiple outlaws/alt do both

[spring bough]

From outlaw pins just wanna send ghostly from stealth first

[dark kernel]

It doesn't matter if it's before or after Cheap though I thought?

I just know GS flipsncoins

[spring bough]

Not sure probably doesn’t matter will check it out later in some games

I have ghostly macro’s to everything so I’m just gonna have ghostly on BTE and adrenaline macro and that’s it

[molten hedge]

Oh ok. Do you like DS more in arena bc it’s a bit tankier and and the passive modifiers?

[potent pivot]

yeah it does more overall dps in spread cleave etc

FB is a bit more single target and more chill though

would only recommend sticking to DS if you think you're able to play it pretty optimally

[gusty hedge]

cs activates sting like a bee

[latent kindle]

Hey guys, been wanting to dive into pvp a bit this season (haven't pvped in years as a rogue)
Currently completely 4/4 tier PVE geared, capped on conquest, honor and tokens from crates.
I checked the gearing sticky & bought bracers + wrists with tokens, been wondering what I should do with the other currencies
Was debating between lacquer/varnish tier pants + chest vs. conquest crafting neck + 2 rings
For honor I'm guessing getting the trinkets and crafting whatever else I can?

[sturdy canopy]

craft rings and neck, get trinkets, then fill in any slots that arnt tier,

[spring bough]

Didn’t think of that since I play float

[spring bough]

For the free 9 crafts. Usually make neck, rings x2. You won’t need a pvp wep u can use ur 720 wep and u get free weps today at 2500 conq earned

[potent pivot]

varnish legs+gloves, get your 9 free heraldries and use them to craft conq neck+rings

don't forget to put focusing lens embellishment on 2 of the crafted jewelry

varnish the other 2 pieces whenever you have enough conq etc

[latent kindle]

I got 6/6 myth track gloves (723), do they scale down in pvp or something that I need to varnish them for?

[potent pivot]

nah i just didn't look at the ilvls

[spring bough]

You got max level pve and pvp gloves now 😂

[latent kindle]

Ah okay thanks 🙂
The 9 free heraldries is a quest or something?

[potent pivot]

go win 1 regular BG

and it'll proc the quest, you just go turn it in

[spring bough]

Took me 7 skirmish wins the other day to get it

[potent pivot]

yeah i always just do the BG

or Comp Stomp if it's comp stomp week

i tend to run through every alt during the first one

[spring bough]

We about to have PERMA comp stomp for some ez honor farming

[potent pivot]

yeah that shit can't come soon enough fr

[dark kernel]

It's going to make random BGs more dead tbh

It's like fine, but NOBODY is going to queue randoms if you can just afk farm honor against compa

Even though the honor is turbo dog

[gleaming pawn]

Have a feeling it’s going to be turbo nerfed, or honor won’t be used for gems next expansion

There’s no way they give us a real win like that

[potent pivot]

i think there's still a decent amount of the community that just casually does regular BGs

casuals, honor level farmers, etc

i've never paid attention to which gives faster honor levels

[gleaming pawn]

Normal BGs are good for conq when you don’t have the time or want to jump into ranked as well

[spring bough]

Ima be a fucking gold baron if it’s not nerfed

But then the prices gonna drop considerably on the stones

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah when the market was flooded in s1 the prices have never recovered

[spring bough]

Yeah why take the chance to lose a game and not get as much honor when u can 100% win in less than 5 min

[potent pivot]

i think it was the beginning of s1 the bots in comp stomp had their scaling all fucked up

some ppl would actually lose

[sharp sierra]

a group of 4 is enough to win 90% of the time

[gleaming pawn]

Even just running 2 (with a healer) is enough

[spring bough]

That was like the first week. Was brutal lol

[potent pivot]

yeah it was infuriating if you got a terrible team

lmao

[gleaming pawn]

Oof yeah first week s1 was brutal with their scaling and our zero pvp gear

[spring bough]

I can’t leave work soon enough. Can’t wait to four set with some new weps

Then prayer for more outlaw aura buffs somehow someway that somehow get included in pvp lol

[sharp sierra]

being horde first week is amazing because we dominate the bgs. After first week? they all go to arenas and the alliance are the ones with premades dominating

[hidden moth]

what build are we using for assa now?

[potent pivot]

pins

[hidden moth]

oh thanks. but since the nerf are we still using fatebound?

[potent pivot]

we can ye

either is fine really

[hidden moth]

ah alright nice thanks

[molten hedge]

I feel like I keep bleeds up well. What I think I lack is maybe lining up the darkest night envenom with my burst. But I’m coming back to assa after almost a year. And when I did play it, I was new to wow and didnt know what a DR was. I’m like 60-70 rounds in on shuffle and 2k cr

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't worry as much about lining it up at first

just make sure you're at least consuming it to get new marks rolling

rotating through them is a decent amount of dmg etc

[molten hedge]

True. What’s the biggest envenoms you guys are hitting? I think I got a 3-3.2 mil

[elfin grove]

what rating is the full elite set?

[gleaming pawn]

1800 is the last pieces of the elite set

[waxen meteor]

Horde loses everything after w1

since like DF or whenever

Alliance autowins world crate that's most fun part lol

When I leveled up Alliance character in DF doing quests, it was so easy to pick 1273921830 blood coins/honor randomly

[edgy vine]

How detrimental to dps isit if you dont burst with CT on the target as fb?

[sharp sierra]

I’ve literally debated just going alliance I swear I have never been to a single crate where the alliance isn’t 400 deep. Same with BGs it’s just a nightmare

[gleaming pawn]

If you want crates just join the farming groups. Both factions have them going all day long

[waxen meteor]

Yeah you do horde w1, then forget it

Random BG is basically un-winable

I can get stat like 25-0 still lose

But anyway I don't do random BG after w1

[potent pivot]

you cast CT when you can hit more than 1 target

including pets

if you're trying to burst 1 target you can skip it until after the burst window

[hidden moth]

do we play 2 set or 4 set?

[potent pivot]

4

[worthy tinsel]

I've found it pretty evenly split on my server, so maybe it's a realm thing?

Tbf, when a 40v40 happens, alliance usually has more, lol

[pale storm]

what is everyone buying this week for sub/law?

[daring plover]

how do you guys decide which stat to take for So"leah's trinket?

sim it 4 times?

[jolly sierra]

we dont sim in pvp

[daring plover]

wrong chat

[jolly sierra]

xd

[daring plover]

my b

[jolly sierra]

k

[rose thorn]

Yeah on tichondrius horde is fine at least for me

[spring bough]

Just Law stuff

[waxen meteor]

it's cross realm anyway nowadays...

there are rare situations you get a lucky cross realm

but most cases, alliance just auto wins..

[spring bough]

Depends on if I get tier helm or legs in vault and going from there. Probably buying helm if u don’t get it from vault and converting to tier

Four set if u can

[waxen meteor]

what's the pvp weekly this week

probably won't log on until late tonight

should be rotated to rated arena?

[pale storm]

it is random BGs and blitz

I was thinking on use trinket for sub, but I guess wee want 4 piece asap all specs?

[spring bough]

Wasn’t that last weeks?

[pale storm]

yeah lol think theey reepeated

[potent pivot]

I think so

[waxen meteor]

ok, blitz climb it is then

[spring bough]

See you in blitz later

[waxen meteor]

i honestly don't understand how blitz sometimes give you honor that goes for random bg quest

and sometime not

[spring bough]

Blitz gave me honor for both quests last week

[waxen meteor]

It did for some games

It did not for some other games

Like one alt reached two quests at same time

[spring bough]

Indie company 🤷‍♂️

[waxen meteor]

but one alt finished the blitz mission when random one showed like 211/1500

[waxen meteor]

😂 i think it almost makes sense to climb blitz now with 2 weeks straight missions

my DH was farming conquest from blitz quest, and went like 7-0 unlocked the tier even before playing any solo lol

[spring bough]

That quest got me to 1400 blitz this last week. New quest should get me even more lol

[waxen meteor]

first 7 wins will get your around 1.7 ish

[spring bough]

Yeah I had a few lobby’s that were def not winnable lol

[waxen meteor]

just rolling dice

[spring bough]

Stg one game I was at the middle cart with 2 enemy healers there and we somehow still lost lava

[waxen meteor]

we are lucky since we are rogues, we have more impact

dude when i played SP in blitz, I think how good I am literally don't matter

[spring bough]

Like how’s a whole team lose lava against the enemy that doesn’t have healers lol

[modest ore]

does 2500 conquest give weps still?

[waxen meteor]

Yesterday I won every single off cart and still lost the game

[spring bough]

Yes

[waxen meteor]

it was miserable

[modest ore]

tyty

[waxen meteor]

I literally won every single off cart with 15+ kills and 0 death

[spring bough]

Yeah that makes me not wanna que up for a minute after games like that

I redeemed myself in the next cart match when I went lava killed both enemy healers and we 3 capped the carts lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it's very frustrating moment

[spring bough]

4 hooks going from mid to lava is kinda crazy good

CC some enemy at the top of mid and they stuck there while u bust down to lava

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

All rogue specs are good at blitz

but in the end it's 8 on 8

your impact is 1/16

in arena it's like 1/6

[spring bough]

Out of all my blitz this last week. My favorite was the sub rogue bot sitting lighthouse

[waxen meteor]

If the dice you rolled got too much dumb head on your side, it's un-winable

I actually got a r1 feral on my side in blitz yesterday

and we still lost lol

[spring bough]

I literally kidney this dude when he has trinket. I cap from them. Then the guy kidneys me and I have no trinket and he just keeps hitting me instead of capping flag. I get out of stun and kill him and we get LH

[waxen meteor]

the healer was not defending

and other side had sub+sin+marksman*2 + destro lock

[spring bough]

Get wrecked lol

50 yards away from flag u get KB’d

[waxen meteor]

the LH map is our home court

man, this is the map we can basically win alone

especially when the sitter is not super good

I literally can sap + blind cap in 2.7mmr

[spring bough]

Yeah I won a game for us the other day on that map. Score was 1200 us 1100 them. They had two bases. After I got LH I sprinted to mine. Their warrior mounted and ran to the cooldown reduction box and as he did that I capped the flag from him and killed him

Couldn’t believe what I saw lol

[modest ore]

what pieces am i trying to get to reach 4pc? the stats dont seem optimal at all

other than gloves/legs

[jolly sierra]

all but shoulders tho

[spring bough]

How’s ur rogue journey going this season or are u a ret right now

[potent pivot]

stats are fine

not as important as people make them out to be, especially for a later season like s3

[modest ore]

ah icic

uh i have 697 raid finder shoulders to hit 4pc is that worth?

or just stick with 3pc

[potent pivot]

doubt it'd make much difference either way

just use a reg pvp piece

[jolly sierra]

i dont played ranked yet

i am waiting for tomorrow

to start

[spring bough]

For that four set and wep power blast? 😆

[jolly sierra]

no, to avoid rank 1 and don't overstressing