pvp

[potent pivot]

And then there’s like RuneScape dragon wilds or something which is a sort of survival game spin off

[stoic spruce]

Did you play that?

[spring bough]

OMG like they have never done this before LMAO

[hybrid sapphire]

im on like a 18 round loss streak

[stoic spruce]

I never said they didnt

[hybrid sapphire]

what the fuck is happneing

[stoic spruce]

I moved on

[potent pivot]

Nah

[spring bough]

new raids same shit 3 diff raids lol

[stoic spruce]

Is osrs on steam?

[potent pivot]

It’s still being developed

[potent pivot]

I think so but I wouldn’t get it from steam

[spring bough]

wtb new rated pvp mode

[stoic spruce]

Why not

[potent pivot]

Download the Jagex launcher and install the RuneLite client

Idk if you can use runelite through the steam download

But it’s basically like osrs’s curseforge

I’ll dm you the official rs site

[stoic spruce]

Okay

[spring bough]

we get weps next tuesday dont we

[gleaming sentinel]

i won the dimensius hearth toy, gg ez raid tier see ya in midnight

[grave basin]

oh wow

very orignial

uh dk ret who would have guessed

[stoic spruce]

been a comp since wrath homie

aint going nowhere lol

[dark stump]

sv? did they fix it?

[grave basin]

nope

but i wanna play it

50 more cr then i can park it

till mid season probably

[dark stump]

are u doing pve on ur hunt?

[grave basin]

idk yet

pve on hunter is boring af

[dark stump]

think of th Myth mog

[dark stump]

yes but being cool is good

did you try any other class in pvp?

[exotic dove]

Raider IO trolled them hard on twitter the other day

[dark stump]

it seems they stopped the strike 8 hours ago

[exotic dove]

Oh really damn I was hoping it would go for a few more days the memes like "Templar Tantrum" and what not were getting good

[dark stump]

apparently since they saw paladin in the trailer they tought it would get buffed so they stopped

from i understood from pala discord

wait they added the surrender button on M+?

[exotic dove]

The copium trailer goes hard

[dark stump]

cgi on liadrin was a crime

[exotic dove]

I haven't seen ityet

[exotic dove]

oh

I dont think I want to see it

[dark stump]

at least lorth'emar was cool

[exotic dove]

Ok that makes me want to see it

[dark stump]

the more i see her the more i think they gave her botox

[analog crater]

anyone wanna answer some questions about outlaw for me?

[dark stump]

@spring bough if he's still up

[exotic dove]

I dont know which is better after 4 shuffles today as Assa between DS and Fatebound.

[dark stump]

i feel like FB is more single target but got a huge burst potential with 2 set effect
but apprently both are equal with 4 set effect

Don't watch if you want to watch the trailer by yourself

but funniest reply

[exotic dove]

I can see that

[dark stump]

anyway i gave up on rogue

maybe i will retry it on 4 set effect

[exotic dove]

oh why did you give up

[grave basin]

i play mostly rogue/monk/hunter but i get 1800 most seasons on most classes

[dark stump]

i get most class 1k8 by determination

then on rogue i have the curst low IQ player

a dk who grab the healer in the smoke
a pala who forget he have cd
and me who get brain damage sometimes

[exotic dove]

ah it happens but I encourage you to keep going

Assa frustrated the crap out of me but I Pushed through the dumb and hit my goals and then did the same as sub once again last season

[dark stump]

most leather class

[exotic dove]

Speaking of Hunter I played BM in Shuffle the other day. Hit my coolies and this destro lock just melted and the round ended. I had to check the deathlog apparently the Bear (pack Leader) and Fenryr just went to town on him.

I didnt know what happened until I checked that deathlog

[dark stump]

demo and BM hunter are rng based

sometimes the IA of the pet obliterate his enemy

sometimes you have me who put his pet in passive 4 ss in a row and wondering why my damage is trash...

[exotic dove]

Dont be too hard on yourself. First shuffle of the season on my Orc Rogue went up against a surv hunter who didnt have his pet out and was trying to res it first part of the shuffle round

at 2200ish mmr

[dark stump]

am not that hard i just know i'am bad on class that are melee (except paladin) , for example i'am good on mage and hunter

mage season 2 , i'am not a mage s3 abuser

[potent pivot]

?

[grave basin]

ez claps

[analog crater]

mind if i dm you so i can go back to the questions later a little easier?

[dark kernel]

played my first 2 shuffles on my alt tonight

[potent pivot]

ok

[dark kernel]

2-4 each

people straight running it down

[waxen meteor]

meh

honestly i haven't figured out anyway to make our elite tier looks good this season

[exotic dove]

Grats

[grave basin]

Thanks

2.1 is kinda sweaty atm

Probably only get 2.4 after the .05 patch tbh

[hybrid sapphire]

matches are lasting like

10 seconds

ijbol

[exotic dove]

Yeah 2.1 is pretty sweaty all my toons are 2100-2200 mmr and you need to sweat

well cept for my Hunter he just BM pressing space bar and throwing animals at people

[grave basin]

bm isnt a real spec

udder perfection

@exotic dove well well well

[dark stump]

BM are just furry

or pokemon enjoyer depend how you see it

[grave basin]

i mean

what do i even do

lmao

[exotic dove]

oh sorry

[potent pivot]

Animal crossing enjoyer you mean

[exotic dove]

dont mean to grief im probalby done on this class after I get elite set lol

[potent pivot]

Demo locks are Pokémon enjoyers

[exotic dove]

BM boring

[dark stump]

did you guys drop anything from raid?

2 weeks in a row i drop nothing

[dark stump]

at least BM is pure physical but demo are hybrid

imagine as a rogue you cast cloak then you see your life is still depoping

[exotic dove]

healer uses nothing

[potent pivot]

The boss’s pan… I mean

[dark stump]

a guy with an heroic boy rolled on the bow and won it

blizzard and their fcking rng system

[dark stump]

i wonder which is more boring affli or bm?

[exotic dove]

BM

[waxen meteor]

Affl wasn’t boring tbh

Demo lock a bit like bm

[grave basin]

[exotic dove]

Yeah sorry if I had an rsham or anything other than priests I would be more confident to do stuff.

like trap healers instead of diamond iceing dps too survive

[grave basin]

all g

it jut gaem

[exotic dove]

Its just crazy

I was irritated that lobby

[grave basin]

you can put dh

into hunter prison

just scatter his eye beam into tar trap

[exotic dove]

In shuffle if we had any other healers other than 2 priests I can be more aggressive on and not on the back foot

[exotic dove]

true

Also disc priest had dome and never used it once

not srue if you noticed or my ui was bugged

[grave basin]

i noticed you dying with 1 wall and turt up

all g man

ww is just like that

cant really do much to carry other than pump dps and hope your partner can cc

if he doesnt then go next

[exotic dove]

That round I was just tilted so I said f it tbh

[grave basin]

give sv a try

it's way more fun

if i had to play bm id be bored too

[exotic dove]

im just going to get 1800 and then retire him for the season

and swap to DK as an alt

[waxen meteor]

go with marksman

I did my alt hunter in s2 DF

started with bm like you

went on easy and well

but so boring while playing, did elite look and dropped

then later part of season just tried marksman, was really fun, happily pushed for higher ranking

I had similar exp with my demo lock alt, didn't even finish 1800 at beginning of DF S4 got bored out

Came back last season, played fairly fun with affl

[exotic dove]

Its just an alt Rogue is my main I never get bored of that

[waxen meteor]

haha me too

[exotic dove]

I ask myself this every season if I never get bored wiht Rogue why do I play alts?

Here I am again asking the same thing

[vocal surge]

Did coins get nerfed harder?

[exotic dove]

I didnt see any secondary nerfs to coin

Just the 33%

that was posted

[grave basin]

i have no idea but it seems pretty even now with deathstalker on assa

[dark kernel]

Outlaw didn't feel fantastic tonight but I was on my ni tier alt

[stoic spruce]

outlaw feels the same ngl

[stoic spruce]

2s are great

[copper torrent]

Think it's worth using a hero piece of PvE gear if it means I've got 4p set?

[grave basin]

so apparantly if you high roll tertiary stats in your vault

you cant use the varnish item on it

wtf?

[sharp sierra]

are cata charges account wide?

my alt seems to only have one charge im a bit confused

[sharp sierra]

oh two weeks

[grave basin]

i cant use it on my fukin pants

[sharp sierra]

i thought it was weekly thats why

[manic steppe]

does it matter if i socket neck or rings first?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw/Arms is pretty nutty ngl

[halcyon timber]

Not allowed on rogue bc rogue - warlock propaganda

[dark stump]

what kind of nuttiness?

[stoic spruce]

Deez nuts

[dark stump]

you monster

[stoic spruce]

Jk

No outlaw/arms is pretty good atm

From my one night of playing

[stoic spruce]

Good for a comp with outlaw in it

[halcyon field]

for 2vs2, outlaw is horrible

[stoic spruce]

I'm basically a smoke and kidney bot

[stoic spruce]

This is untrue

Play with an extra dps and win on opener

Like arms

Tricks arms

KS in smoke

[halcyon field]

i am disagree but as u want

[stoic spruce]

GG

[halcyon field]

this season i hate the outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Same

But I'm not playing assa or sub

[halcyon field]

i am playing SP

now

[potent pivot]

That’s prolly fine for now yeah

[manic steppe]

bro i just had a mage perma polly the main target removing all my dots

🙁

was a free 6 0 but the mage just made it unplayable

[stoic spruce]

I dozed off playing osrs

too cozy for me

imma keep playing it though

[potent pivot]

its a bit slow at the beginning

if you're playing a regular account (not an iron man or hardcore), then a lot of it can get sped up by just having gold to buy materials n shit

if you do keep playing i can give you a bit that'll help get you started

[gusty hedge]

works even without red, these colors work better with last season elite set

[dark moon]

Are we back to deathmark in shuffle boys? How's it looking?

[pure grail]

Returning player, api seems broken so Im struggling to see what people are playing. Are people running thistle tea/extra vanish/flag? seeing a lot of conflicting info for sub

[nova viper]

I need bis talents for sub boyz

cuz murloc dont work

[grave basin]

[acoustic junco]

Killing spree just slaps in pvp.

[waxen meteor]

Man I am running into Boomi in every lobby almost

[sharp sierra]

I try every season to get good with sp

Currently playing dh and it’s getting hard to load up my rogue 😭

[tender tartan]

every time someone doesnt respect a DK go and fucking dies I lose a year off my life

[sharp sierra]

Question about frost. When they use that big aoe are you supposed to just wait it out?

[tender tartan]

yeah they're in pillar during that

HUGE dam

just kite and then he'll be ass for a bit

[sharp sierra]

Gotcha I’m liking dh but the rotation feels….odd?

[tender tartan]

he's slow as fuck during the pillar remorseless

havoc?

what hero tree

[sharp sierra]

Like with rogue I feel like I always have something I can press

[tender tartan]

oh

[sharp sierra]

Aladachi

[tender tartan]

yeah you kinda just

push shit on cd

[waxen meteor]

Dh you also have sth to press

But all for dmg

Basically pve

[halcyon field]

actually i am 1805 with SP, i love the outlaw but idk, the feeling is weird

[tender tartan]

hunt in, glaive, and then hit everything on cd, imprison healer, stun healer

[waxen meteor]

You need really good at positioning

[tender tartan]

yep

[sharp sierra]

I have 170 games on my rogue 1600 for 2v2

I did it 16 games with dh 😭😭😭

[waxen meteor]

And what I learned is imprsion/stun/fear healer lower lobby

[halcyon field]

ouch

[waxen meteor]

In high lobbies, straight zug

Literally

That’s better

[sharp sierra]

Still. Rogue feels infinitely more fun

[waxen meteor]

I imprsion dps in their offense cd

[tender tartan]

until like 1800 all your cc should just funnel into healer, i just did healer focus macros

as dh

[tender tartan]

never found it necessary with darkness tbh, I just pop darkness and kite then kill em xd

[waxen meteor]

My DH is normally only 2200-2300 range, I am not good at it, it’s just smashing keyboard and put brain away time for me

[tender tartan]

at least up til 1800 mind you

after that it prolly is more worth locking down a go

[sharp sierra]

Trying to farm venthry renwon for mantle blades

[waxen meteor]

Btw the weapon this season indeed looks good

[sharp sierra]

2100?

[waxen meteor]

Been using the new weapon look for alts

Yeah

[halcyon field]

the new weapon for alts ?

[tender tartan]

its actually the only thing making me want to go above 1800

[sharp sierra]

I want the swords bro

[tender tartan]

new weap mogs are SICK

[sharp sierra]

Like the broken sword looking one

[waxen meteor]

2100 gives you the illusion (I hope it’s called like that in English client)

[halcyon field]

mhhhhhhhhh

okok yeah

[waxen meteor]

Some of them look good

[sharp sierra]

Wait why’s level for weapons?

*whats

[halcyon field]

i'll try to grind today, i did full win in the night but now i am scared xd

[waxen meteor]

The elite illusion/mog for weapon

[sharp sierra]

Ahhh

[halcyon field]

if people want to 3c3 my dm are open

[sharp sierra]

Dude gold prices are insane rn

Oh wait offical discord sorry

[waxen meteor]

i could have done 4 tier this week

if i didn't use all blood token last week

but i guess anyway it doesn't matter

[copper arrow]

Anyone know of any rogue streamers that still publish rogue arena guides these days?

Also what abilities do the best rogues keybind arena 123 for?

[dark kernel]

man I was right

Fatebound coins literally doing last seasons damage we just have more of them

[gleaming sentinel]

yep

outlaw too problematic of a kit to face so it wont be strong for a bit

[sharp sierra]

Wait bloody token gear can be charged?

[raven terrace]

just got into arenas for the first time and assa with fatebound is really fun

felt like enemy outlaw rogue couldnt do anything to me

[abstract stratus]

I think fatebound is still the better choice in 2s I’m still basically one shotting healers in the opener 80% of the time with a fistweaver

Sin rogue fatebound kingsbane build^

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

I have got tier chest/glove from vault

[stable vine]

what do you think is stronger

[spring bough]

Why does it feel like the whole of midnight is gonna be building a house lol

[stable vine]

or

[dark kernel]

just tried Trickster, feels even fucking worse

[waxen meteor]

lol what?

I guess I will ask chatgpt to summerize for me what's going on

[grave basin]

welcome to wod

[spring bough]

That’s like 3/4 of their announcement is all player housing

[gleaming pawn]

It’s the single most anticipated and requested feature to be added to WoW. Of course it is front and center for the marketing

And showing how much better it is than FF 14 housing is trying to get those players to come back/check it out

[waxen meteor]

yeah chatgpt also told me blizard is removing the addons for battles

i like that though

[gleaming pawn]

ChatGPT is wrong yet again

They are working on removing addons for combat, but that’s a years long endeavor and there is zero concrete timeline

[tribal ridge]

Just turn your neighborhood in a Fighting Club community that hosts PvP duels and such.

[grave basin]

how is sv hunter above dh and ww monk

insane

[waxen meteor]

true, just my brief way of saying 🙂

[fresh ermine]

WHATS THAT chart for?

specs above 2400?

@grave basin

[tight hill]

thats a lot of rets

[waxen meteor]

Ret is really good

tbh I don't feel DH very good atm, I am not sure how mvqDH got a 90% win rate for glad already

I did my alt Ret, especially in melee lobbies, it's REALLLLLY strong

[fresh ermine]

Yeah ive been having shit luck on my DH

[waxen meteor]

Ret still struggles again full caster lobby (especially ret doesn't have MS)

[grave basin]

yes above 2.4

[fresh ermine]

im gearing unholy

RN

[waxen meteor]

Ret DPS is realllllly high in melee lobbies

I am mostly 30% higher than 2nd dps

sometimes 50%

[tight hill]

yeah and amazing utility, only thing they dont have is MS

[waxen meteor]

yeah, and a bit lacking against casters

like in caster lobby, as a rogue, I sort of have a mindset of going 60

for ret, i am kinda, okay I am good existing 33

[gleaming sentinel]

[waxen meteor]

[copper arrow]

What do abilities you guys have arena 123 macros for? I feel like guides say to do arena 123 for everything but I don’t have keybinds space for it

[gleaming sentinel]

Ret when they have to sit a sheep for 1 second “this is such a struggle”

[edgy vine]

Do we not get a cata charge this week?

[waxen meteor]

No

[edgy vine]

fuck

[waxen meteor]

tbh even if you do, you are out of conquest anyway

[edgy vine]

this is truly pain

alot of 3-3

I have enough conq tokens to buy 4 conq pieces

[waxen meteor]

Conq is capped at 2200

[edgy vine]

you get tokens

the 50 ones

warband tradeble

[waxen meteor]

I don't think you can use it after cap

[edgy vine]

you cant

but you can send to alts

that can use it

'

[waxen meteor]

that's fine... but it has nothing to do with cata charge...

[edgy vine]

no it doesnt

I was referring to the amount of shuffle i have played

[dark kernel]

this is pain

after playing around 2200 all last season

im fucking 1800

MMR and CR

[edgy vine]

gotta roll sin while you still can

[dark kernel]

dog shit subhuman spec

[waxen meteor]

2200 MMR is about 1800-1900 ish as of now

[edgy vine]

if you cant beat em. join em

[waxen meteor]

probably more 1900+ but i think you just got a random 1-5 that lost some points

[edgy vine]

losing 1-5 to a holy priest is big sad

[dark kernel]

yeah were you there?

[waxen meteor]

my DH alt was around 2.2-2.3 last season, so yeah

[dark kernel]

The lobby should have been a 6-0 for one of the DPS I was just in, but a Boomy/Dev combo insta one shot a healer in opener one round

so I ate a 1-5

Literally Devoker is the most broken shit

[waxen meteor]

oh that's what you mean

[dark kernel]

you cannot sit on that class

it does massive damage and kicks do nothing

[waxen meteor]

Boomy is also crazy

There are multiple specs one shoting people

[edgy vine]

Ya'll got a resto shaman build? mine feels bad atm

[waxen meteor]

at 50% HP, if healer doesn't put a CD on you, you gotta really be careful for what's incoming

[edgy vine]

check pvp and shit is down

cant find stuff

i managed to climb to 2k no prob but feel stuck atm

[dark kernel]

it just blows massive cock

to play this spec and it feel so mid

and its finally strong and it's like legit a week, because assa was better with it

[waxen meteor]

don't worry i haven't even swapped to fatebound sin before it's nerfed

yet balance druid one shot people with instant casting

[dark kernel]

I just am pissed

[waxen meteor]

marksman too, mage too, marksman too, lock semi too

[dark kernel]

Switching to Sin is just an easy way out, but I want rating, but its useless if you're average still as a player and the rating means nothing

[waxen meteor]

Yeah at this stage, rating doesn't mean much tbh

As long as you enjoy the game it's all good

[gleaming sentinel]

Let main camp mmr work on an alt now that’s what I’m doing

[dark kernel]

finally had a 4-2 where I sent an arcane on his way out

guy just flopped first 2 rounds with me and later on had some good boots on

[dense thorn]

You lot playing sin or sub?

[gleaming sentinel]

Stuck in pirate purgatory

[spring bough]

Are we playing rogue today or nah

[dark kernel]

i managed

to break my curse and Im up rating

[balmy shuttle]

prime time is bg blitz time

[dark kernel]

BG Blitz average queue time is 35 minutes rn

nobody is on

[balmy shuttle]

US?

[dark kernel]

yes

[balmy shuttle]

EU prime time then 🙂

[modest ore]

am i supposed to be doing this? even tho it removes my vers?

[dark kernel]

Probably

[waxen meteor]

If you cannot unlock 2/4 tier set bonus, no need to rush for a conversion of 1st/3rd piece

[hollow carbon]

I played a sin lobby today and it felt awful. DS set is weak af in pvp, additionally everyone and their dog plays ret right now + hpala.. gonna get my devoker out and blast some healers up

[hollow carbon]

Stop torturing urself

[gusty hedge]

😭

[jolly sierra]

yes

versa is high enough anyways

[dark kernel]

Yeap I get it

[spring bough]

pain is like 500 rounds already and having been at 2360 and down to 2099

pain

[jolly sierra]

dude why you push so far for the first two weeks? xdd

isnt that too stressing?

[spring bough]

it wasnt until they hotfixed my fun

fucking blizz just hates rogues and it is evident at this point. some of these DPS classes doing 2x our dps and we are the problem when we kill in a stun.... when that is what rogue was DESIGNED to do... its like they forgot what they created and why

[gleaming sentinel]

not to mention just about every single spec has somehting to deal with it

[spring bough]

yeah like mages boom one button stun off

and they do that multiple times lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

its crazy to me i can killing spree a moonkin in bear form and his health goes up

then just waddles out and 3 shots me

[spring bough]

my hardest single hitting ability now is BTE when it can get 2milly crits

KS if a full one goes off can be 7-10 mil but 8/10 times i get CC during it

[gleaming sentinel]

so many specs hae random ass pets too

[spring bough]

yeah like wtf is monk doing with pets... wannabe DK

[west swan]

does anyone know the prefered talents for solo shuffle ass

[jolly sierra]

u give me even more reasons to start rated at week 3

XD

[spring bough]

but it was fun lol

im still getting up to 1.5-1.8mil coins but not as often

havent seen a 2-3mil one yet lol

[gleaming sentinel]

managed to 5-1 this cancer lobby

[copper torrent]

It seems everyone is having the same experience, we can sweat our assess off to carry a lobby but even when a DPS should go 0/6 the healers struggle more with us than any PvE class with damage. I've been hovering 1900 now after the initial 2100 peak

Feels like even when we play perfectly someone will drop the ball last minute and that's not an option with all the work we need to put in to land a kill--usually in dampening

[gleaming sentinel]

looks liek bodymasage crafted a weapon week 1 and sent it

lol

[jolly sierra]

rets should do pvp instead whining and closing threads KEK

[gleaming sentinel]

i cant get over this lol

[dark kernel]

my coin damage is down to last seasons unless turbo RNG

Rets truly are the most awful thing in lobbies right now

They control the game

[hard compass]

is it me

or does subfeel dogshit

[dark kernel]

I think sub is fine, but low-key every season I played it I felt like s*** until I had my full gear and all my stats correct

I think sub feels the worst between seasons because you end up always dropping a ton of mastery usually

[elder temple]

Rets stay like this to promote the new addon

[dark kernel]

Everybody was clowning saying it's because the next expansion is a paladin expansion

[finite onyx]

yo is coinflip spec straight up better now for assa?

[exotic dove]

After playing it today no I am back to Deathstalker

DS gave me 200 rating

and mmr

[finite onyx]

sounds good ty

[rapid mango]

How is outlaw in pvp nowadays ?

[spring bough]

this game is so stupid. doing LFR. roll a 95... gets to the last second and ofc some1 rolls a 96

[spring bough]

lil better than last season but meh still

[rapid mango]

I assume KIR build doesnt work in pvp, what kind of build are they using ?

[spring bough]

it does work but most dont like it. play it well enought its better than HO in pvp

[rapid mango]

Oh for real ? I would assume how fast games are that you wouldnt be able to make use of it. Maybe im just bad ahah

In arena type pvp of course

[spring bough]

9/10 round u can KIR 4-6 buffs and it feels amazing

[rapid mango]

I bet it is ! So is it simillar to the pve KIR build or is there some change to it ?

[spring bough]

i pretty much use the same one but theres always 2-3 points i play around with

[languid ravine]

wait a second, I got a 723 dagger from mythic+ which means I have better itemlevel than everyone else playing arena xd

balanced

[rapid mango]

Yeah for sure, ill see for myself what i feel like using. I appreciate the time you took, now to find a stupid sword to switch from assa to it ..

[spring bough]

im using a crafted 720 ilvl wep in pvp lol

ty gilded from pvp and delves

4 set fatebound on pvp dummy. now time to see how it translates in a match lol

99% adr uptime gotta get that extra 1% lol

[stoic spruce]

I get 2/3 kir every game

Except the games I win on opener

[spring bough]

KIR be blasting tbh

fate and trick either work

[stoic spruce]

I just wish opp chance was unnerfed from df

[spring bough]

opp and restless blades unnerfs would go WILD rn

[stoic spruce]

RB and opp chance unnerfed

[spring bough]

so fucking wild

pew pew

pistol FTH would hit what was it 4 times?

or 5

[stoic spruce]

No you're thinking of the fth nerf

[spring bough]

unnerf all of it

[stoic spruce]

I'm talking about when we got the rtb tier and the 2pc was increased opp chance so they nerfed the talent to compensate

Which is weird

Because

Why would you increase the chance if you're just gonna nerf it anyway?

And nerf it in a way it's permanent

Instead of the tier

[stoic spruce]

Real

[spring bough]

we need it to be competitive rn lol

i just want a season where i dont have to play lights out to rank

i wanna be like a DH and be like pew pew oh thats it we won? cool

[gleaming sentinel]

gonna be another assa legend end of season angle

lol

[stoic spruce]

Another assa season

More at 11

[spring bough]

i hate sin

i cant play it tbh

i suck at it

[stoic spruce]

I'm just glad it's better than sub these days

[spring bough]

maybe cause i try and play it like im an outlaw

[stoic spruce]

I can't stand sub metas

[gleaming sentinel]

im better at assa than sub thats for sure

[spring bough]

im the oppo lol

[gleaming sentinel]

i found as assa i'd get dots rolling then just go healer a bunch and we'd win

[spring bough]

hmmm maybe when i get my main act back ina few days ill gear out my other night elf for sin

1 hour into a 15min avg wait on solo.... is this game dead lol

[rapid mango]

Ah its good to know, i love that build i was a bit scared that it wasnt viable in pvp

[stoic spruce]

You gotta know your stuff to make it work in pvp

[dark kernel]

Where's the sin builds. I'm fucking around tonight

[stoic spruce]

Ayo?

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-down-syndrome-rizz-gif-13021584249069787017

[stoic spruce]

Dude

I'm craving osrs

Wtf

@potent pivot you did this to me

[potent pivot]

[worthy tinsel]

Is sub that bad?
Levelled as it once, then switched.
Was thinking of trying it out.

[stoic spruce]

That bad?

No it's really good

[worthy tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-looks-like-a-set-up-zac-sistas-this-looks-like-a-trap-this-is-such-a-trick-gif-22185200

[stoic spruce]

Actually that may be a lie. I think the ST is good but it's got really good cleave.

Sub and assa are always good though tbh

Can't go wrong with either

Just don't talk about outlaw

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

solo shuffle is a mess tonight

warriors getting deleted by mages so fast its not even funny

fury and arms died to this mage every round.....

[stoic spruce]

Dude I've been thinking since the new ptr, I wonder if/when someone will make a fuss about an ability named "Killing Spree" having a hooded guy with a gun as an icon.

WoW is so far from grounded in reality but you know there will be THAT person

[spring bough]

damn im gonna complain to blizz that KS icon violated their social policies we agree to

[stoic spruce]

Sick icon though

Dude

[spring bough]

they gonna have to unban my act if they dont want a complaint

[stoic spruce]

That should be Outlaws new spec icon

[spring bough]

ill take this KS icon all the way up the chain if they dont bend to my will

[stoic spruce]

Take a shot everytime I say icon

[mossy onyx]

where should I start to learn how to not be ass at arenas, as a sub rogue

[stoic spruce]

Buddy that's just a practice thing. Only thing you can do is watch vods for your gameplay and streamers.

[mossy onyx]

figured, just wanna make sure I'm not missing obvious stuff at this point

[stoic spruce]

Send your vod and we can help

[worthy tinsel]

I main'd it during season one, as Trickster.. In hindsight, not the best way to start arenas for the first time, lol

[exotic dove]

Well this is where my Rogues are consistently staying in

For Assa

Not bad I guess

[dark kernel]

8-16 start on my alt rogue

game is so fucking god awful im gearing sin Im not sitting another season suffering as this dumb as shit spec

im going to play like a braindead monkey and get free rating

Why is WW, Ret, and Unholy allowed to casually just do 3 million DPS, auto stun pet

[stoic spruce]

Rogue tax

Unparalleled ST CC so you dmg suffers

[dark kernel]

we dont even have good single target CC it's a complete meme since everyone has 30 second 4 second stuns now

[stoic spruce]

Yeah kidney blind sap is awful

[dark kernel]

Its not that its awful, but its that every single class has a 3 DR CC chain now

Not every, but most

DH has Banish, fear, stun

who cares if our CC chain is 2-3 seconds longer total when our damage is 2/3rds

[stoic spruce]

3 seconds is a long time when your MM teammate can 1-shot in your smokebomb

Smoke bomb is such a cool talent

I feel we don't talk about it enough

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s my favorite tbh

[stoic spruce]

It's so versatile it's crazy

[dark kernel]

it just feels clear that rogue is not designed well when the primary game mode is now solo pvp

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s really just the fact that rogue is hard to play with for your average player and it doesn’t have a lot of synergy with stuff that is good. How often do you kidney when your team mate has dmg? Etc

[dark kernel]

it's also not designed well, when now half of the classes in the game have abilities that immune CC trigger uncontrollable or obscure their charcters

[stoic spruce]

Everytime

Most specs are 1.5 minute specs

Others are 45 sec specs with a bigger goes every other 45 seconds

Like fdk or whatever

[hybrid sapphire]

yall were right games are so sweaty rn wtf

[stoic spruce]

Yeah idk

Something in the air I guess

[dark kernel]

its just reset blues

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[dark kernel]

MMR squished back, specs are unbalanced as shit

[stoic spruce]

Sweatier than normal in early season tho

[dark kernel]

outlaw/sin was giga OP like 4 days

everyone is pushing all their alts

[stoic spruce]

Also we don't have gear yet

[dark kernel]

it turbo sucks mega fucking cock to be playing excited to play and you're just losing non stop

fresh season

\like "boy i didn't get enough of this the last 6 months"

[stoic spruce]

I ain't worried tho

If current tier become talents in our hero trees, I don't really care for the nerf

But

They have a habit of nerfing specs because of tier and not unnerfing them when they lose the tier.

[exotic dove]

That tax only applies really to Outlaw I did 2s as Sub and I can straight up destroy with it.

MMR in the 2k range

for 2s

Outlaw is probably tankier though than Sub

[hybrid sapphire]

umm is aff doing insane damage rn

[jovial garden]

hi

best talents for assa 3v3?

[potent pivot]

Pins

Prolly want to go for the deathstalker one rn

[stoic spruce]

Why do people ask questions like it's google?

Let me rephrase

Why do people type like a Google search bar?

[potent pivot]

because we are evolving as a species

[stoic spruce]

I do not like that answer one bit

[grave basin]

gg

4pc

[outer sky]

wow guys I sure did get outplayed by this god tier arcane mage!!

[languid ravine]

nah, clearly you should have cloaked there, skill issue if I ve ever seen one

look you even had 0,00000 seconds time to react do you even play the game? smh

[hollow carbon]

Very important to nerf fatebound sin first with hitting 2m coins damn

[dark stump]

meanwhile me who get 0 drop from the lfr

a fcker with an heroic bow rolled on an lfr bow

[grave basin]

i got two pieces from the vault

and converted two pieces on my own

[dark stump]

same i still need to reach 2k on M+ to get the additional charge

[grave basin]

or 1600..

can get it in 2s

[grave basin]

just line the barrage Kappa

[grave basin]

@gleaming sentinel have you finished the rare mobs of karesh?

seems like arcana monger is not able to be summoned?

@halcyon timber warlock propaganda failed

they hotfixed the varnish

i put it on the tier i catalysed now

[orchid plinth]

So this is the first time I'm playing Fatebound: is there anything to track? Or just... play game coin flip dmg xD brrr?

[orchid plinth]

I did a 7.8M HIT yesterday felt good

[potent pivot]

fatebound already got nerfed but if you're going to play it yeah i think its still the play to maximise coin flips

using the cold blood talents to get extra flips off envenoms etc

[outer sky]

I stopped playing it post nerf. What are most people doing now?

Deathstalker?

[potent pivot]

i think its still pretty split

especially once you have 4set

but yeah

[orchid plinth]

Ah okay. What would you folks recommend for 2s? Shouldn't it be solid there?

[outer sky]

How much CDR realistically is 4 set?

[tender tartan]

jesus

[orchid plinth]

One of each spec as well

[dark stump]

i am the only dumbass with a 655 glove

[grave basin]

Where's your crafted 2h

Is death stalker better with 2pc?

[tender tartan]

lmfao

[grave basin]

Coins got nerfed into the ground

[tender tartan]

hour long queue for this

[dark stump]

,e°

me?

[grave basin]

yea

you should have 720 weapon by this week

[dark stump]

i should craft a bow??

[grave basin]

yes..

you should have 2 sparks

and 60 gilded

[grave basin]

does deathstalker in shuffle even play CB kingsbane?

no right

[dark stump]

there's no bow here ? or am i dumb?

[grave basin]

then check xbow or gun

[halcyon timber]

Rogue yeah. Killing spree be praised bro . Warlocks be damned

[grave basin]

when do you even shiv with deathstalker

when you have darkest night?

[tender tartan]

lmao even

sin stalker 2piece disables some hero talents for some reason

gotta love blizz

[grave basin]

which ones?

[potent pivot]

no

[tender tartan]

parently capstone itself

LMAO

[potent pivot]

i think it is a bit ye

[tender tartan]

4set works fine

2set is borked

[potent pivot]

what

[tender tartan]

well was

may not still be

[potent pivot]

where is this even coming from

[grave basin]

ok deathstalker is so much better

than fb

[tender tartan]

again they may have fixed it but earlier when i tried ds it wouldnt even let me consume marks

[grave basin]

holy shit

[potent pivot]

did you have darkest night proc'd?

[tender tartan]

no

just mark applied

[potent pivot]

i'll look into it but this is the first i'm hearing of this as far as i remember

[tender tartan]

wouldnt let me tic it down

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm not seeing anything about DS tier being bugged

so either it was something else or fixed

[tender tartan]

heres hopin was just fixed or smth idk

[potent pivot]

rn the FB 4p is the one thats bugged

[grave basin]

respec deathstalker

instantly top damage 6 0 the lob

1800 ez

[outer sky]

No

[grave basin]

yea im playing standard build with SBS

feels p good

[potent pivot]

they're having the gamescom creator clash arena tournament rn if anyone's interested

i never saw anything about it even happening til yesterday

[dark stump]

maybe i should start doing delve t11 to farm the crest

[loud ember]

Any difference in the twos build this season from the posted build?

[potent pivot]

Not a big difference

Deathstalker is a bit better atm with only 2p but also harder to play correctly

[orchid plinth]

Honestly kinda hype with EU and NA facing each other, new patch, etc etc

[dark stump]

??

[orchid plinth]

https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft

What trickz Said above

[potent pivot]

Oh I thought you meant the RWF

I didn’t know the creator clash had na and eu

[orchid plinth]

I think it's... top 2 from both regions?

Yes it is

[grave basin]

i guess it's time to bring out

azbolt - warlock 1800 set

[grave basin]

youd use insignia and not badge right

[potent pivot]

ye

[ocean moat]

hey rapscallions, do you reckon rogue can work in a melee cleave this season? which spec would work best?

[loud ember]

Can you recraft last seasons crafted with the current season insignias? just so I dont have to recraft a whole ass necklace from scratch

[potent pivot]

ye

[loud ember]

would you run this for 2s

or are we sticking with IC and MA

[potent pivot]

if running FB then just run the FB build ye

keep ma/ic drop sbs/doomblade

[manic steppe]

putting a break for 1hr before game 5 is crazy work

[outer sky]

@grave basin Yep

[verbal field]

any important rules for kb? going for fb build this time

[grave basin]

Man not a single feral is above 2.4k in shuff

On NA

Meanwhile 38 rets 😭

[dark kernel]

Ret is actual cancer. It needs a literal 30% damage need in pvp

WW too

[spring bough]

Disgusting

[tight hill]

is that because feral is squishy? really am seing a lot of ret UH DK lol

[spring bough]

Feral dies so easy lol

[spring bough]

UDK is too much. Needs a nerf too. Shoulda been 3 days into the season but nope

[tight hill]

yeah, instead they give everyone extra hp which kinda nerfs sub rogue too. Rogue not feeling too good outside of assa deathstalker

[dark kernel]

I had a ret/unholy/ww lobby and I was the biggest punching bag. Literally an expansion behind in damage

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I was in a BM unholy ww and i went 0-6, I really don’t even know what I could have done

[tight hill]

its a shame as felt like balance was mostly good at the end of last season. Exlcuding outlaw obv, you have my sympathies

i guess ppl still don't have full gear so could improve

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ll work on my demo and assa

[waxen meteor]

Ret just has huge dmg, great surv against melee, and huge utility

When Ret surv is good, their utility value is also much better

[gleaming sentinel]

223 rets above 2100… I think they are pretty good against just about everything

[orchid plinth]

Best range spec

[grave basin]

cdew vs mvq games rn

warcraft main channel

[grave basin]

oh it's actually venruki watching a bod

vod

[spring bough]

Yes. Broken. Beyond broken. But no nerfs. Oh but rogue can kill in stun so hotfix that even tho rogue total damage is 1/4 of DK

Blizzard sucks

[dark moon]

When are they competing, anyone knows?

[spring bough]

Absolute dog shit what blizzard does to us in PvP season after season. If they don’t want rogues to be a stun kill class. Then buff us overall again

[fathom crag]

why does he q sub in to dh dk

when he can do 3mil dps on assa

[dark moon]

Maybe wants the money shot 100-0 on the dh

[grave basin]

im just happy to watch LANs again

[waxen meteor]

mvq seems to be in Germany

He is not even posting weekly to do list this week

[grave basin]

theyre all on LAN

at gamescom

[waxen meteor]

yeah

i actually cannot understand how he did 90% win rate in 3s and finished glad already

he was describing DH as totally rocks

and made me start DH alt much earlier than expected, but i don't feel any of that lol

[grave basin]

rank 1 one tricks tend to make their spec look really good yea

@spring bough whaaz outlaw now

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw feels good with a lock / ele or mage imo

[waxen meteor]

you mean they are good

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw good, shuffle just fucking sucks sometimes lol

[dark kernel]

Can't wait for outlaw nerfs because they did half decent

Outlaw is just the perfect vessel to funnel mage damage

That's it

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s the ultimate caster enabler

[dark kernel]

Pretty much

[gleaming sentinel]

I think in melee lobbies you go tricks of the trade and trickster tbh

[dark kernel]

They made it like sub though, were you have to choose damage or CC during vabish

Yeah because coin damage doesn't cleave

But right now. The trickster 2pc bonus is straight ass

[gleaming sentinel]

Double coup will be good for cdr

[dark kernel]

4pc is a game changer indeed

The fatebound 4pc is alright

[gleaming sentinel]

Will be nice to just have more adr going

I’m not full doom yet, season just started

[dark kernel]

Yeah but doesn't it only proc like once per are a

The fatebound 4pc only resets when you don't have a lucky coin

[gleaming sentinel]

And we’re already where we were all stuck at the end of last season pretty much rofl

[dark kernel]

That's true

[waxen meteor]

I am gonna go 4pc set on fatebound next tuesday

see how it works

the bonus CD reads really good on paper

and you cannot easily nerf that

[grave basin]

whaaz POV making outlaw look insane

[gleaming sentinel]

I just need to play like whaaz, np

[dark kernel]

Echo is literally just style naxing

Playing outlaw afflock is troll as shit

[spring bough]

Felt like I pressed way more adrenalines last night in a solo lobby. Felt really good. Got the coin pumping

[gleaming sentinel]

And play with tournament casters and I’m fine

[dark kernel]

Like whaazz is doing great but he's still doing the lowest damage and that's with being enabled

[tight hill]

half the dmg

i guess they balanced the class around him

lol

[dark kernel]

Theyre playing on live servers btw

[gleaming sentinel]

Just an observation: the number 1 outlaw crafted weapons week 1 for the head start and likely won’t have to Q again til the end of the season

[dark kernel]

So that coin nerf is in these matches

[tight hill]

playing against aff outlaw does not sound fun one bit

[spring bough]

I shoulda done that for the 3 extra ilvls 😭

[grave basin]

so sv 4pc might be kinda good

ONE stampede

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea and slammed games Tuesday Wednesday

[spring bough]

God damn lol. Can we hotfix that blizz? Oh wait….

[edgy vine]

we getting there

slowly

[grave basin]

530 games played

i salute you sir

yo makaa

you were in my lobby

btw

[edgy vine]

its rough man i swear some games i play really well but dps go 0=6

[gleaming sentinel]

I wish I could be a healer main

[edgy vine]

was i?

[grave basin]

yea i was the hunter

the priest left

[edgy vine]

oh lol

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[grave basin]

couldnt handle the stampede

[edgy vine]

freest 0=6 of my life

[tight hill]

dog

[spring bough]

Yeah I feel u on this. Playing lights out. Somehow distracting enemy healer and one enemy dps. And then my dps somehow dies to the other enemy dps when he has his own healer….. it’s like WTF

[tight hill]

[grave basin]

problem?

[waxen meteor]

with full respect but you kept posting rdruid progress...

[grave basin]

bear is a giga chad

[spring bough]

They should rename survival Walmart beast mastery

Seeing as pets is survivals most dmg now

[grave basin]

only as pack leader

[tight hill]

no i just like the dog that is all

[spring bough]

Yeah and isn’t pack leader light years ahead

[grave basin]

dont know for sure

[spring bough]

Bear and boar do like 2 million crits

Insane numbers

[grave basin]

this is a real game

so apu wasnt top dam there

[grave basin]

queue up again big dawg

[edgy vine]

Your 2s duo was in the forums recentlky

[edgy vine]

in one rn

[grave basin]

gg 1

1hr queue for me

[edgy vine]

this is the kind of shit i am dealing with

lost btw

[spring bough]

Yeah Verm told me some complaints about the damage lol

Bunch of forum cry baby’s prob why we got nerfed 😭

[dark kernel]

Rsham meta is going to make me crash

[grave basin]

i mean

put on 4pc

instantly gain 10% damage

[edgy vine]

i just lost 1-6

[untold remnant]

I feel the rating gain is pretty slow this time, I am at 1800 cr now, 2400 mmr, already the 4+ wins give not a lot of cr

[untold remnant]

Is it fun? It looks really cool. Kinda wanna gear nut sure too

[obtuse thistle]

when the fuck r they gonna fix armory not showing talents

[edgy vine]

I have given up

after 500 matches of floating around 2k

i cant do this shit anymore

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw wins a tournament. It’s over boys

We’re getting nerfed again lol

[dark kernel]

Tale as old as time.

I legit wouldn't be surprised.

[gleaming sentinel]

Never mind the fact that he has darknessed at 50% above and still died twice lol

[grave basin]

yea

it's my main for a reason lol

getting there

@spring bough

this was a full row of 0s this morning

[spring bough]

I got almost all 7s gonna work on 10a later this week. Up to 1880 or something. Season is too ez. Fatebound aoe actually feels good compared to trickster and it’s more fun

[orchid plinth]

Rogue nerfed mage nerfed ret buffed

[grave basin]

fr 2nd week of the season and alrdy clearing 9s

[spring bough]

Is he FB or trick

[grave basin]

trick

[orchid plinth]

FB

[grave basin]

for some

[orchid plinth]

Ah ok

I just assumed cuz I saw it once xD

Mb

[grave basin]

can see his POV

on his stream

[orchid plinth]

Oooh right fuck that would've been nice

[spring bough]

I was doing 4pc trick last night. And the double coup feels crazy. I hit a full CP supercharged KS fully went off. Right into two coups and ie watched this dudes health go from 100% to probably 10%

[orchid plinth]

Didn't know but it's the CREATOR CLASH after all

[gleaming sentinel]

3 business day burst

[spring bough]

KS did take about 4 seconds. Coup took a couple too lol

[grave basin]

i have an 8 priory if youre down this weekend

[spring bough]

I’ll be around getting keys all weekend. Might try to see how close I can get to 3k. Would have to work up to 13s

[grave basin]

it's only 2nd week lol

i havent tried pack leader yet in m+

so far only sent

i mean

[spring bough]

I’ve done both and trick does crazy overall but fate levels it out with its crazy boss dps

I was doing 3mil plus ST to some boss in a key yesterday felt incredible. Wish we could do that in PvP

[grave basin]

i was getting pretty close

boss dam

problem with sv is you brick your talents going either full aoe or half half

[gleaming sentinel]

Trick still better overall imo. I’m usually 6mill overall and I don’t have 4pce yet

[grave basin]

your boss damage with no spearhead is dogass

[spring bough]

++7 on this Ara as fatebound aoe. This was overall

[grave basin]

overall

damn someone has sacbrood

im still using 671 seaforium

[spring bough]

It’s only a veteran level 😭 but I got the cursed idol and that thing puts my crit to about 90-100% depending

[grave basin]

damn

[spring bough]

Try both with 4pc fate will
Surprise you

[grave basin]

im missing out

[spring bough]

I pretty much have BIS items but they are champion/vet track. Need mythic track lol

[obtuse thistle]

did they nerf fatebound coin more?

shit feels way worse than 30%

[spring bough]

Nah was just the 33%. Feels worse cause u gotta get like 15+ stacks now to do a milly crit or so lol

[grave basin]

you guys looking at the dev panel

https://www.wowhead.com/news/what-we-learned-at-midnight-reveal-developer-panel-at-gamescom-2025-378276

[obtuse thistle]

the audacity of doing dev panels while armory api and talents have been down for over a week

[spring bough]

Can’t wait to play eversong woods, ZA and sunwell again 20 years later. Maybe they’ll update the graphics

[balmy shuttle]

Wondering how many seconds of preview talk PvP get this time around...

[spring bough]

“New epic BG…. Okay onto the next”

[gleaming sentinel]

PvP talk on Saturday I guess

[dark kernel]

My feelings every time I just want outlaw to be good.

[obtuse thistle]

shits too ez

[spring bough]

Sin death stalker? Gonna have to gear my second night elf for that lol

[sharp sierra]

Love to see SV pumping. My first ever spec that got me into PvP lol

[hard compass]

i though prot was getting its own shitty lobby

[waxen meteor]

i am about to gear up my NE rogue too

[worthy tinsel]

and pets still often don't work..

[obtuse thistle]

both fate and deathstalker

managing DS is annoying but FB is so nerfed it feels useless

[dark kernel]

I'm playing Assa on my alt until I get tier.

Just dogging lobbies

[dark stump]

DS?

[dark kernel]

Fuck if I know yet. Just dot things and afk

[orchid plinth]

would yall recommend FB or DS for someone plays 2s, healer, without any tierset?

[potent pivot]

either is fine really but get tier

once you have tier prolly fb for 2s imo

[orchid plinth]

yeah I have gloves and legs just need the conq to turn them to PvP scaling

LFR Hero

[wide heath]

guys im trying sin now, and i have problems with energy managment, after 2 mins of combat i run out of energy and cant seem to get it back quickly lol

how do u manage energy, dots help right with that

[harsh kiln]

iirc the more dots on poisoned targets the more energy you regain @wide heath

[potent pivot]

ye^

the more bleeds you have out/keep up the better, also spreading poison by using fan of knives so that those bleeds refund you the energy

if you always have 2+ bled, you should rarely have any energy issues

[dark kernel]

It only works on garrote and rupture tho

Not CT

[abstract stratus]

Megamind question for my fellow high rated sin rogues,
What do you have to see on the enemy team to comfortably run deadly poison +hemo or just deadly poison at all

It’s almost like it’s got zero use in PvP

[dark kernel]

Maybe if you have a guarantees better MS on your team

Like a BM hunter somethinf

No dispellable because it's physical

[abstract stratus]

Trusting teammates bad

[wide heath]

thank you ^^

[dark kernel]

I mean it depends really. If it's reliable to be up

[small thistle]

Should i play outlaw pvp arenas?

[dark kernel]

No

[potent pivot]

Play whatever spec you prefer

Outlaw is fine

[small thistle]

gething some mixed info here =P

[potent pivot]

Ignore the naysayer

[gleaming pawn]

Outlaw is just salty because they didn’t think doing 10m damage in a global was going to get Rogue nerfed

[spring bough]

It wasn’t a global it was in a 5 second kidney

Which is what rogues were meant to do and it’s like they forgot that

[stoic spruce]

Rogues cry when they're not S+++ tier

[spring bough]

I’m gonna cry to cry

[gleaming pawn]

That hasn’t been what Rogue was designed for, for decades. And it’s “anti fun” for the receiving end because you’re dead in a stun. Something they have championed fixing since SL

[stoic spruce]

I'm crying rn what you talking about?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is fine it's just harder for no reason

[spring bough]

Then I guess I don’t understand what the point of rogues are for anymore 😭

[gleaming pawn]

This has been the Rogue way of life, for better or worse, for a very long time. If you want to get away with murder and bullshittery in PvP then you should be playing a wizard class

[spring bough]

They should just removed kidney then fuck it lmao

[stoic spruce]

No, cheapshot

[gleaming pawn]

The shitty troll answer is, there isn’t. Rogue is the least played class across the game for a reason

[raven terrace]

yo guys at what rating is a player considered good

[potent pivot]

Both you yellow names shut your pie holes right now @stoic spruce @spring bough

[stoic spruce]

I ain't doing NOTHING