pvp

[vocal surge]

does this much damage

for Outlaw

[jaunty osprey]

outlaw nerf live

[vocal surge]

x)

[jaunty osprey]

3 crits, 800k each

u made me waste

honour to buy a wep

to test

smh

[vocal surge]

Honor ez to get

[spring bough]

how is coin nerf live when i did this about an hour ago

its all based on stacks u probably didnt have enough stacks

[vocal surge]

Thursday Night, 15 stacks to deal this
VanCleef's screenshot numbers took +20

[jaunty osprey]

i know how it works lol

9 stacks here

9 stacks doesnt hit for 900k

noncrit

[spring bough]

idk what to yell yah

that details i linked was from a solo shuffles

[jaunty osprey]

yes

and im saying this

as of right now

not

1 hour ago

as of right now

like i said

[spring bough]

if nerf is live i would have had to be at 30 something stacks

[jaunty osprey]

AWC players are saying

they have sources

from a dev

that it should be live

[spring bough]

i just got out of a solo and was hittingg 1.2mil coins

which is avg for me

[vocal surge]

and we're saying that the nerf is live for Outlaw

Not from feeling, but quite literally from experience Thursday and before to Friday - now

[potent pivot]

even more sussy eh boi

awc players? those are pvpers. pvpers and dev in the same sentence? i think someone's gone off the deep end mate

[jaunty osprey]

idk just looks night and day diff than assa

this is 1 stack to 4 stack assa

maybe it just does a lot less as outlaw?

idfk

would've thought 9 stacks outlaw would hit more than 879k noncrit*

[potent pivot]

Naw they prolly did try fixing it or something

Strange that it’d only effect 1 spec though

I think assa does amp the coin damage schools a fair amount more than outlaw

But they prolly missed a flag or somethin

[vocal surge]

Cosmic has 4 schools to borrow amps from: Arcane, Holy, Nature, Shadow

Prob that's why its stronger maybe?

[marsh yacht]

Cosmic damage is a thing?

[vocal surge]

Yes

Fatebound Coin: Tail deals Cosmic damage

[gleaming sentinel]

If they nerf assa and not outlaw life is good

[potent pivot]

it looks the other way around atm

[vocal surge]

We've been nerfed already xD

Literally on Friday maintenance

Tuesday patch note for Fatebound Tail coin is already live for us Outlaw

[gleaming sentinel]

sorry thats what i meant, im so dumb rofl

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

all is right in the world

[grave basin]

what did i miss

[vocal surge]

[grave basin]

is coins nerfed?

[vocal surge]

Yes

Outlaw only

[grave basin]

for both specs

[jaunty osprey]

test it and see, it seems a lot lower than what i'd imagine it should be

for outlaw

but idk

[hazy monolith]

Guess I came back to outlaw one day late 😩

[gleaming sentinel]

time to return to the true pvp bracket everyone loves and respects

bg blitz

[abstract stratus]

blitz gets a mount before shuffle mark my words

[hazy monolith]

Oh god you know what this seems so likely that it hurts

[vocal surge]

Im so mad

Presvoker rescues me

while im killing spreeing

into the paladin who was blind

[gleaming sentinel]

comedy

[vocal surge]

That lost the game for us

[grave basin]

why nerf it only for outlaw

that's so weird

[potent pivot]

likely a mistake

[gleaming sentinel]

Watch it get double nerfed

[dark stump]

what did i miss ?

[potent pivot]

fatebound nerf

[dark kernel]

good day

[dark stump]

bruh

what did he mean by "making it obvious in chat"

[dark kernel]

this guy was not having a good day

the sub rogue was kind of new

but this arcane mage was straight schizo

literally REEEing over outlaw as arcane

im not having too many crazy coins, 1.4Mil highest im seeing, but this is outside of pvp so it may not reflect right

[grave basin]

yea most likely pvp modifier

[waxen meteor]

Guys there must be a crazy bitch healer rejecting queues now at SS

I have been at 5/6 for 10 minutes

5/6 reject
Instant pop
5/6 reject
instant pop
5/6 reject
loop

[safe pelican]

Why would you ever leave

[grave basin]

queues from placements were nice at 6-9mins

now im back to 20min+++++++++ queues

😭

[waxen meteor]

I am still stucking at 5/6

there must be a crazy bitch loser healer

[grave basin]

fatebound coin on trill's stream

seem to be critting 700k

[waxen meteor]

Man, this guy is crazy

He has absolutely no life

Been rejecting queue and requeue for whole night

[jolly sierra]

good day

[exotic dove]

The majority of the playerbase won't know what wintrading was even if it slapped them in the face

[waxen meteor]

US/EU players don't know what win trade even is

Look at Asian servers lol

damn my alt cannot play arena

[exotic dove]

The only time I actually saw win trading was at 2500 mmr alst season in a prot pally lobby which thankfully those types of lobbies no longer exist. One prot pally took off all his gear and just ran in to die all 6 rounds. One prot pally went 6-0 th eother 0-6 while the dps went 0-3

I reported em they werent even being subtle with it

[waxen meteor]

I think in Asian win trade, they don't even enter the game

They knew exactly which game is poped to trade

normal players just get blocked at 5/6

[manic steppe]

how bad is it to go over this

[dark stump]

good day

[waxen meteor]

Rogue
Fatebound: Fatebound Coin (Tails) and Lucky Coin damage reduced by 33% in PvP combat.

[jaunty osprey]

we love it

[dark stump]

is FB worth it even without the 2p set?

[potent pivot]

It’s fine

[dark stump]

am i playing DS wrong or is it just impossible against elem?

i did everything his hp bar only fell to half then i got os

[halcyon timber]

Have to kill totems tbh

Healing stream and the shield totem can def make a big difference along with them actively kiting / burrowing etc

Because the Lord knows no one else is going to do that or kill psyfiends either

[jaunty osprey]

SO FUN

[dark stump]

does monk suffer the same problem as ret?

missing braincells

like how in front lock is low but noooo you prefer swap to a effing dk

[marsh yacht]

Which capstone are you dropping to get kingsbane on assassin? I’m not at pc I can’t paste from the pin

[potent pivot]

none of them

[marsh yacht]

Fatebound assa just not running kingsbane?

[potent pivot]

it is

you don't have to drop a cap stone to get it

you just drop sbs/doomblade

[marsh yacht]

I guess I’ll look when I get home. I like assa but I can’t even tell what deathstalkers doing for me

[potent pivot]

deathstalker does a lot of extra damage but you have to be applying your mark properly and cycling through your mark stacks etc

its not something you can just play without reading the talents proper

[marsh yacht]

I’ve read it but it feels like even with eating the marks the damage isn’t enough to secure a kill.

[dark stump]

what lobby?

[marsh yacht]

Think it’s just seeing the meters you don’t see like “this was because you envenomed with ds mark buff”

So might just be in my head

[marsh yacht]

Idk I played probably 6-7 shuffles. Still newish to rogue so I’m not blaming everything on my spec

I know I’m playing pretty suboptimal in general

[static spire]

when you recraft pvp items from last season do you lose gem losts?

slots

[potent pivot]

[static spire]

also does the lacquer item work on making a pve tier gear to a pvp tier gear piece?

[marsh yacht]

I’ve heard some saying it was wonky if it was a piece you also used a cata on but yes

Does darkest night have a duration?

Or is it just permanent til I get the envenom off

[halcyon timber]

30s iirc and if you kill minor things like totems / psyfiends etc you get another one loaded in the tank immediately

[vocal surge]

Got 5-1 on a lobby I was genuinely confused on for Kill Target lol
DH - Frost Mage - Ret Pal - MW Monk - Disc Priest

^My reaction breaking a ton of mage CC and still winning

[halcyon timber]

Fuckin michael scott man

[hard compass]

How’s sub looking so far boys and girls? I’ve missed first week of the season on vacation

[marsh yacht]

Is it ret>mage>dh?

[grave basin]

triple pala lobby

irememebr why i dont play assa now

[vocal surge]

I don't remember the order anymore

But I remember breaking so many CCs lol

[grave basin]

it's bugged

some of my toons, it worked

some it doesnt

[halcyon timber]

Good just like the other specs. Play what you want for sure. All classes are doing well.

[marsh yacht]

Is there some kill order list somewhere lol

I know it’s gonna vary, obviously but still

[halcyon timber]

Anyone can be a target tbh

Just depends what team mates you have and if you recognize when is a good time to lay into someone

[mystic tundra]

set pants and gloves ?

[dark stump]

yes and check this

[formal sapphire]

Is getting Glad on outlaw a plausible feat

[dark stump]

checl how many glad outlaw there's

and the answer you shall find

in US there's one

well since it's pretty normal since the season just started

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Even later in the season you probably won't find many because the other specs are just better

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/outlaws-rip-lucasarts-western-hapokas112-gif-19541507

Rip Outlul

[stoic spruce]

I wholeheartedly believe outlaw will be this way until UHUH gets reworked or deleted

[spring bough]

Yall typing like outlaws gonna get deleted from the game lol

[stoic spruce]

yall?

[spring bough]

It is sad it’s the least played spec for PvP

[spring bough]

You all is y’all the thing didn’t auto correction with the grammar thingy

[stoic spruce]

I know that

what I mean is whos yall

[spring bough]

You all

[stoic spruce]

I said glad with outlaw is possible goober

im gonna blow you up

with my mind

and itll hurt

[spring bough]

I already learned the ability from the SHIT school back in the day come at me bro

[stoic spruce]

@gusty hedge dont cringe me

[spring bough]

Accepted reference…. Any1? 😂

[stoic spruce]

acceptance?

isnt that the thing everyones father does but mine?

joking

I have the best dad

[dark stump]

https://tenor.com/view/game-day-gif-1421612078979008371

[stoic spruce]

idk what to play

[dark stump]

why?

[stoic spruce]

ignore that

was a joke

[dark stump]

no

reach glad with outlaw and acceptance of vancleef you will recieve

[stoic spruce]

buddy you cant pay me to play outlaw past say 2100

[spring bough]

https://youtu.be/jknPgZYLzp4?si=ycW8pPBBtTKAqp1z

This u

[stoic spruce]

thats me!

[dark stump]

u're the car?

[stoic spruce]

im the weird kid blowing the car up with his mind

I should make that my new pfp

lowkey

[dark stump]

no , let the cat reign supreme (i'm not talking about feral)

[dark stump]

imagine you need to rely on someone about a problem and he is the only one there

[stoic spruce]

tbh

he'd be the most useful

do I play retail, mop, Sea of Thieves, bo6 zombies or killing floor 3?

I need the council to tell me what to play

[dark stump]

league of legends

[stoic spruce]

EW

I expected better from you

[dark stump]

and i expected no less from you

[stoic spruce]

Sea of Thieves had a content update :D

[dark stump]

what's worst taking outlaw to glad or league of legends?

[stoic spruce]

league

I can brag about outlaw glad to my friends

[spring bough]

That’s u do it

[safe pelican]

League is dirt

[dark stump]

well the good point with wow is even if you get bad teamates it's just for 1-2 rounds

[stoic spruce]

3-3 is my safe space

[dark stump]

could've done 3-3 if a monk with the iq of a ret pala main focused the lock instead of swapping to DK

[stoic spruce]

sometimes I imagine what a game would look like if I had total control over it

my answer always depends on the mood

right now it'd just be shadowlands without the friction on the player

[dark stump]

i'm wondering why rogue dis didn't do this yet

(this is a joke don't do this it's just dumb)

[stoic spruce]

we dont get the attention ret does

[dark stump]

a community pala discord server strike will do any impact ?

if blizz listened to their player they wouldn't be in their current state

[stoic spruce]

i cant hear you over the sound of setting sail

[dark stump]

and the sound of outlaw nerf coming tuesday

[stoic spruce]

nerf means nothing

I aint worried

smooth seas dont make a great sailor

[vocal surge]

Bruh

Fury War stronger than Outlaw through so much CC still

[stoic spruce]

Fury also works out of enrage and procs it randomly

[safe pelican]

How is ret undertuned ?? lol this game is something else, everyday we stray closer and closer to rolling MM 😂

[safe pelican]

New server name checks out

[vocal surge]

How so?

[spring bough]

is this a joke or did someone really post this thing that ret is undertuned

cause rets doing top dmg by miles lol

[dark stump]

it's in pve but yes

they underperformed in pve severly and their tier set effect is one of the worst

[grave basin]

Ret is undertuned in raid

One patch

Shut down discord

Sv is undertuned for keys for 8 seasons

It's ok guys fun spec 🥳

[dark stump]

we don't talk about sv , we speak about hunter

[grave basin]

Sv is specially dogshit tier last season

[spring bough]

fatebound coin nerf may be live but it is still doing my top damage

[dark stump]

Raid utility is to the ground , BM better than MM and sv in every content

[dark stump]

yeah but like playing MM in delves is mission impossible

[grave basin]

Why

Hunter as a whole breezes through delves

[dark stump]

unless you play the talent with the pet , your damage are too bursty which always give u the aggro

[grave basin]

Then play the talent with the pet

That's literally what's the talent for

[dark stump]

BM yes , SV he got the pet to tank , MM even with the pet you sometimes get the aggro

[spring bough]

BM is always good and always has more players somehow lol

[grave basin]

Bruh misdirect your pet

[dark stump]

because BM is in the same stage of IQ necessity as ret player need to play their class

[dark stump]

[grave basin]

If you MD your pet first it's impossible to pull aggro

The node below MD even gives your pet 50% damage reduc when you mD

I mean come on lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Man this coin nerf going through early for outlaw makes me want to shut down a discord

[grave basin]

Outlaw being playable gave a blizzard Dev PTSD probs

[spring bough]

its fine we still doing damage

[grave basin]

The meta will likely change once we get 4pc

[gleaming sentinel]

meanwhile im gearing my second rogue outlaw

rofl

[grave basin]

People gain more armor + other specs getting actual good 4pc

If you high roll on tier set you can get 4pc by next week

[gleaming sentinel]

yea having more uptime on adr will be good

[grave basin]

My hunt and ww both have 3pc

I'm hoping to high roll

Again

[stoic spruce]

I don't blame them

The spec sticks out like a sore thumb

[grave basin]

You mean in PvP

[stoic spruce]

In general

[spring bough]

a good amount of people in solo complaing about outlaw when im in g ame lol

[grave basin]

Yea but you're Edwin vancleef

Legally not allowed to lose with that name

[stoic spruce]

How frequently do you get a good ks off?

[spring bough]

not a lot prob 50/50

[stoic spruce]

So far ive gotten 1

[spring bough]

when it does those its great kill pressure

usually im CC right as i hit it or they fly away

[gleaming sentinel]

getting a spree killing blow must be what gamblers feel when they finally hit it big

[stoic spruce]

It's so unreliable but it's so strong when stars align

And the target is by themselves

And you don't get CCd

[spring bough]

most of my KBs are coins/BTE

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

It's disheartening when you press KS and your targets health doesn't go down

[spring bough]

what coin nerf

[stoic spruce]

Coin nerf isn't live yet

[spring bough]

according to ivan's friends dev friend it went live

[stoic spruce]

That's some cousins roommates goldfish stuff

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce

[stoic spruce]

Yeah more hearsay

That it should be

When have they done this?

[spring bough]

last night but i was getting 3milly coins last night and getting 1.5mil still today

[stoic spruce]

Only hotfixes were M+ tuning

My dk hasn't been tuned yet.

[gleaming sentinel]

I was like, instant gibbing people on Wednesday, I was not on Friday

[stoic spruce]

That could mean anything

I was instant gibbing people yesterday

[jaunty osprey]

i keep saying

to test it and see

for the 1000000th time

idk if it is live, and to test it

[dark kernel]

Its not

there settled

[stoic spruce]

But Pk was one-shotting the other day and isn't now

(Sarcasm)

[dark kernel]

Thank you based god

[jaunty osprey]

5-6-7-8-9 stacks here as outlaw

1-2-3-4 stacks in the assa screenshot

3-4-5-6 stacks in the assa details screenshot

all I've been saying since yday (and can scroll up) that it does A LOT less per flip as outlaw despite having significantly more stacks but that could be by design

[stoic spruce]

I wouldn't be surprised if it were by design tbh

[jaunty osprey]

like i said, just need others to actually test it

instead of feely craft

or posting overall details

need to just post combat log lines with amount of stacks or death logs with amount of stacks

[potent pivot]

it definitely looks lower on the outlaw log

1.3m crit

but yeh

i mean lower than it was doing for outlaw before - not just lower than the assa screenshot

[fringe pine]

can any1 post the current fatebound PVP tallent?

Bliz still havent fixed armory ffs

[slender ember]

whats the go to spec / talent tree for blitz right now? I was sub last seaons but is assassination better now?

[fringe pine]

assa i meant

[gleaming sentinel]

Don’t dismiss scientific research (vibes)

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot made some wonderful pins! Please check em out

@fringe pine

[potent pivot]

they're both fine, at the very top end people probably still prefer sub

[slender ember]

awesome, tyvm

[fringe pine]

ty

[spring bough]

3 straight 3-3 is it for me for the day lmao.... lobbys are ridiculous this morning

[jaunty osprey]

KEEP GOIN

4-2 EVENTUALLY

or 0-6

[spring bough]

im down 100 rating since last night lmao

[jaunty osprey]

😭😭

[boreal briar]

to the outlaw vs assa coin damage thing - I BELEIVE assa's coin damage is increased by shiv and possibly the mastery because its cosmic damage, which is all damage types.

[jaunty osprey]

It’s okay, it’s only day 6

[spring bough]

2343 to 2223 RIP

i had 2 bad lobbys 1-5 and that was 120 rating gone

[potent pivot]

ye thats not necessarily the issue atm, its that the coin damage seems lower than it was a day ago on outlaw

[vocal surge]

im fucking done for the night

-170 rating

[jaunty osprey]

1.3M crit is like low low

even 0 stack assa crits for more than 1.3M

[spring bough]

yeah we both down rating coin nerf confirmed live lmaoooo

[boreal briar]

I got a 3.4 mil crit on assa last night

[jaunty osprey]

LOL

[potent pivot]

L0l

[spring bough]

GG boys pack it up for the season

blizz hates us

[gleaming sentinel]

lol,

[spring bough]

not even 7 days of fun they said 5 THATS IT

[rare parcel]

when's best to go FB or DS for assa? is it mostly pref

[jaunty osprey]

u need a mage in each of ur lobbies to isolate the kill target with wall

[potent pivot]

ye the problem we're talking about is outlaw specific

[jaunty osprey]

and then you killing spree them

[gleaming sentinel]

Maybe I do devastation evoker and turn brain off

[spring bough]

i had a 3milly crit last night with the coin so far today highest has been 1.5mil lol

[vocal surge]

Ah hell nah

[potent pivot]

you can play either, but fatebound is probably the best until the nerf goes live on tuesday.

[vocal surge]

I hate Mage Lobbies

The moment I see a mage in my lobby

I immediately know I atleast am gonna 2-4 the lobby

[jaunty osprey]

I know we were discussing it yday, but you see

it feels lower right??

like after 9 PM

[gleaming sentinel]

Science.

[jaunty osprey]

SCIENCE

[spring bough]

last lobby i justd had was 1.3mil crits was highest but coin damage is still FBs highest overall damage

[jaunty osprey]

ya coin will always be your top damage

[gleaming sentinel]

I sit all my games in full roots so pistol shot is my top, rofl

[jaunty osprey]

go gnome

[spring bough]

+5 energy on gnomes too

[jaunty osprey]

one root break and then you can sit the other 19

[spring bough]

their racial doesnt trigger the pvp trinket either and its a 1min cd

[jaunty osprey]

or press vanish with no AR up or no combo points

[jaunty osprey]

Did they nerf dev 2 set yet

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I think it got hot fixed

[vocal surge]

time to go play Project Epoch

[abstract stratus]

yea so theres no way i keep this position for more than this week

[gusty hedge]

last lobby

[spring bough]

yeah bout what im doin rn

[gusty hedge]

Tuesday gonna be like 800k

[jaunty osprey]

Remember when ppl were saying

I was wrong

and it wasn’t nerfed

116 hits and only 1.4M as the largest hit

But ya even if it isn’t nerfed it just SEEMS a lot less than what it was earlier in the week

[gleaming sentinel]

I wish I had Q’d Tuesday Wednesday

[spring bough]

trickster KIR is still good dont at me on that

[gleaming sentinel]

Double coup gaming soon

[static holly]

Doing 3m+ envenom crits as deathstalker. Can't complain... Looks fine

[lavish flint]

Assa still gonna be meta after nerfs?

[potent pivot]

you think what assa is right now is 'meta'?

it will be viable, as always

[grave basin]

rets hello?

[gleaming sentinel]

4-0 ret finall gets on my team, guess who dies in the opener after being a cd usin beast?

[grave basin]

!pins

!pin

reeeeeeee

wtf @potent pivot what's the command

[potent pivot]

?

[potent pivot]

what command are you talking about

the pins are just.. the pins lol

[grave basin]

to tell them to read the pins

is there no command

[potent pivot]

no

[grave basin]

[orchid plinth]

Check the sims! Pin yourself!

[grave basin]

waited 29mins for a queue

healer loses both rounds and leaves

perfect

[dark kernel]

tfw your alt rogue without tier is higher MMR than your main

[gusty hedge]

im at 29 min rn for 13 min que

[spring bough]

Avg Que was 30 min for me all day yesterday

[abstract stratus]

https://www.twitch.tv/venruki/clip/FurryCourteousStorkPicoMause-pDDN8kkMFtpVO_vt

[gusty hedge]

im like 2 wins from 2.1 then can call it

[dark kernel]

damn man

im sitting 1700 because I've only had time to queue 6 shuffles and 2 had leavers

[spring bough]

lol I love to see this happen to venruki

[abstract stratus]

he was unhappy in game lol

[spring bough]

Surprised he isn’t playing arcane mage

[spring bough]

I may or may not talk shit to him when I see him in lobby’s lol

[abstract stratus]

WORTH

[dark kernel]

the amount of mages players I've seen losing their mind at rogues

is above average

[spring bough]

It is. Everytime I played with a mage last season “bro stop gouging” so I don’t even use it cause fk mages

[indigo lava]

I feel like I’m stuck in a loop where players in solo shuffle play careless and without thinking. I want to know if you’ve had the same experience? I climbed from 0 to 2.2k in about 15 games, but since then I’ve been stuck here. For the last 100 games I just keep bouncing between 2k and 2.2k. Honestly, I don’t know what to do anymore, it’s really exhausting. I’m not saying I play perfectly, but at least I focus on the basics and try to be careful, while the others really play poorly.

[gusty hedge]

2-4 -80 rating lmao

cooked

[sharp sierra]

We are closing the discord until they rebuff coin right?

[gleaming sentinel]

Can’t do another season where I am getting smashed in the content I like

[sharp sierra]

Idk how you guys play solo shuffle when 3s and 2s exsist and you don’t have to wait 40 years

It’s also first week, inflated ranks

[spring bough]

Welcome to my life today

[vocal surge]

Same

[spring bough]

Sure

Let’s discord strike to get wow buffs

[vocal surge]

Blizzard, remove Tail coin nerf from Outlaw

[spring bough]

If they revert that and restless blades. We killing people off match starts

[gusty hedge]

about to go 0-6 ggZ

[abstract stratus]

https://www.twitch.tv/venruki/clip/HomelyHilariousMonitorBrokeBack-Ljgdwe8nrX6bVzrQ

i think hes getting upset at rogue 2 games in a row with him lol

[spring bough]

I love it. Someone get into his next lobby

[abstract stratus]

i just wanna get my 2400 so i can go play something else for a few weeks lol

[spring bough]

I was 38 rating away at one point. Now I’m like 268 away

😭

[gusty hedge]

bm mm ele ..

lockd me down every round

even with coin cant secure the kill

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I ain’t gonna lie we’re just gonna be in the same spot. Some really crazy 4pce out there

[spring bough]

Trick KIR is doing numbers. 2.5m - 3mil flurry. Unseen blades doing 1.5mil and pumping

Gonna start working that into my games lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I like trickster gotta try it on alt I guess

[spring bough]

I played it KIR trick mythic build. Flurry damage is just insane helps w swaps

A full KS doing 10mil minimum if it all goes off

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m still not quite good at kir I think, gonna practice in keys

[stoic spruce]

Lowkey feels the same to me

May be because crackshot gameplay overshadows the subtle differences the builds have

@spring bough imagine how funny it'd be if I pushed outlaw shuffle this season

I'd be the only undead

I'm so hyped for outlaw

[gleaming sentinel]

double hpal ret lobbies just ruin my experience

why do they need searring glare?

[spring bough]

do it

[halcyon timber]

Teammates often never interrupt it esp when they are rets vs rets.

Absolute jackass festival

[dark stump]

didn't u said this morning u wouldn't do it?

[gleaming sentinel]

having more success with trickster on alt

[spring bough]

trick still pumpin tbh lol

[gleaming sentinel]

yea more killing sprees seems to be good in shuff

but maybe its because im lower mmr on alt rofl

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-i-lied-gif-21836345

And I didn't have that idea then

Also alcohol is involved now

[gleaming sentinel]

Q up

[spring bough]

1500 for keys already shit is ez pz this season too lol

[stoic spruce]

my fellow outlaws

I had to shatter my car window

[spring bough]

did u feel like an outlaw doing it

i bet u threw a mask on and pretended to stealth up to it too

[dark stump]

i trusted like a friend

[stoic spruce]

that was such a good idea

[dark stump]

u monster

[stoic spruce]

Theres one thing you gotta know about me

[dark stump]

wait wut?

[stoic spruce]

im the biggest outlaw fan

im also the biggest outlaw hater

because im so passionate about it

its not as good as it can be

[stoic spruce]

I pressed the unlock button in my car but APPARENTLY its opposite day and it locked all the doors instead and I locked my key in the car

[vocal surge]

F

[spring bough]

sitting on 24 crit, 29 haste, 36.5 verse for my pvp stats lol

[keen canopy]

yeah it's like if this is what they want outlaw to be just add 1 handed ranged weapons into the game already so we can at least customize our pistol slinging sheesh

[stoic spruce]

No that's fine

The animation is so fast we don't see it

Also loot table

Eesh

[keen canopy]

yeah i mean i love outlaw and all but it's like what do i even got these swords for when i see my gun and my coin do millions of damage

[modest ore]

is this tier piece better even tho it has the wrong stats?

[spring bough]

7mil black arrows need to be nerfed

why cant they hot fix that

[dark kernel]

It's a feature

[gleaming sentinel]

Was it ever in a place you just thought it was exactly what you wanted it to be?

[stoic spruce]

shadowlands

[gleaming sentinel]

nerf outlaw some more just in case, must have hunters and rets be good to please the majority

[spring bough]

whats even funnier is he hit that on a warrior refusing to play defensive stance.... bro was in battle stance

and warrior just blamed healers....

[gleaming sentinel]

giga chad tbh

[spring bough]

lmao after bro won the next round he was like "see i was right"

tbf the fistweaver wasnt doin much healing lol

[halcyon timber]

Standard procedure

[spring bough]

got a 2.5mil coin in a lobby

1.12mil avg crit

1.71m, 1.49m and 1.5mil coins right before that too

[dark kernel]

Ayayayaya

[copper torrent]

Is that just good RNG? Is there a particular order you're hitting vanish/ghostly/AR? I've noticed some explosions of damage on opener but I've never really seen coins ramp passed 6-10 outside of PvE

[spring bough]

no particular order just lucky coins lol

and i just did a vanish adrenaline slam BTEs and that was it

[copper torrent]

Gotcha! Ive been playing with it to see if there's a way to maximize flips in a GCD with ghostly/AR/bte macro. And tried seeing if it'd work better going in with a prior stack of tails but the 50/50 RNG is throwing me off lol

Still running double lense for embellishments?

[spring bough]

yup still running them

[copper torrent]

Sick ty. I was catching up to ya but last few rounds have been rough and just hemorrhaging rating lol. Doubt rings will make much difference but doesn't hurt to fight with a full deck

[spring bough]

613k melee for a KB feels good. Im a COMBAT rogue

im playing with like 30% haste and it feels incredible with fatebound lol

1.6mil coins on rets pushing KBs feeling good

[grave basin]

I wanted to get 1950 real quick before I slept yestd

Alrdy 2.1mmr so I thought it's gonna be quick

Jk 29min queue into leaver into 29min queue into leaver

😭

[spring bough]

yall gonna tell me im capping but big haste with FB feels fucking amazing

[grave basin]

how does haste do anything outside of AR cap

faster autos

that's about it?

[spring bough]

i dont know it just feels great. having amazing lobbies with it lol

[gleaming sentinel]

vancleef = vibescleef

[manic steppe]

could one of you send me an omnibar profile i could use

[spring bough]

i dont use it sorry boss

[tacit crane]

Are the talents for sub the same as S2?

[spring bough]

just had a ret die 6 times in a solo shuffle.... how is that humanly possible

[grave basin]

on your team = dies in opener

on enemy team = LOH BUBBLE SAC SANC BOP

[spring bough]

he just didnt do any of that the entire lobby lol

then the next lobby DH doesnt die at all till he is on my team lol

[gleaming sentinel]

every lobby is some combo of me vs dh/warr/ret/hunter

[sharp sierra]

question on gear i currently have if im gonna swap to outlaw from sin

one sec

okay nvm im just dumb

@spring bough so uh xD

this should be fun trying to mix match lol

gloves are tier lmao

[spring bough]

Need some more haste crit and maybe a lil verse lol

[sharp sierra]

this is current sin

guess i just do second charge on head

[grave basin]

bm at the bottom

the world is healing

also more SV than mm

[sharp sierra]

this made me tear up

[grave basin]

meanwhile NA

[sharp sierra]

SV was so fun in BFA

[grave basin]

ret stonks...

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/pikabooirl

facing pika

im 3-0

[sharp sierra]

that lock is not a real person

[jaunty osprey]

the healers

arent real

[gleaming sentinel]

0-6 lock unfort

[jaunty osprey]

i died last round

to the rdruid and dh

dot

over 35s

no one tabbed me

[sturdy dune]

whats the assassination set of talents? trying to switch from sub

cant look at murlok or anything

[dark stump]

pins

[marsh yacht]

What is this?

[jolly sierra]

dude this is lazy af

to get the cloak

aghhhhhh

[grave basin]

2.4k shuffle

On EU

[glass isle]

i keep getting rolled bro idk

if i have to play vs dk every game

i’ll see yall next season

[stoic spruce]

how are you dying to dk as assa?

[keen canopy]

or just like in general

[stoic spruce]

DK meta is assa wet dream

[glass isle]

bad ig

mental block ig

[stoic spruce]

it do be a mind thing

blame it on rust

[glass isle]

also popo

i don’t play assa

[stoic spruce]

oh I assumed

[glass isle]

im playing ol in pvp too

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah

[glass isle]

i just like the role color more 😕

but yeah idk

i just can’t survive with feint perma up

idk

[stoic spruce]

well

outlaw in pvp is only for die hard lovers of the spec

and

restless blades is nerfed

so that plays a role in your squishiniess

hate this fuckin spec

but its so fun in pve

pvp makes me want to gouge my eyes out

@spring bough but it's so fun

[hallow crescent]

how do I deal with these fucking paladins in shuffle?

Also fatebound or deathstalker?

[halcyon timber]

Whichever you prefer tbh

Depends on rets, can get them to panic and use something for a team mate and that sets themselves up in the future.

[sharp sierra]

i swapped to outlaw for some fun and those triple bte shots is a hot spoon of fun and i immediately swapped back

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw is def freakin cool

[sharp sierra]

like he said pve is fun as hell with it

[jaunty osprey]

pog

every coin crit

7.5m in coin and my 2nd coin from kingsbane didnt even hit

2.28M coin + 2.48M coin + 2.53M coin + 3.12M Kingsbane + still another coin that didn't get to hit because he died

[halcyon timber]

They are going to hit coins again and then give the damage to BM hunter probably bc “reasons”

[keen canopy]

i've seen enough, make aimed shot and black arrow do 20 million damage

[dark stump]

screen or fake

[keen canopy]

as in that's what they're gonna do

but also i HAVE seen it do 14 million before in bgs so 20 million not even that far off

[dark moon]

What do we think about the upcoming coin nerf? Will it be viable on paper or do we wait and see?

[pastel burrow]

it'll be fine to play still

[dark stump]

i hate this game

[tall sleet]

this game is literally unplayable rn

[tight hill]

ouch

[turbid dawn]

Guys when you are playing and doing this combo, coins are fllipping like on the picture? Becouse when I am using DM and KB coins are not flipping like that.

[potent pivot]

they should be?

they should just be proc'ing

[turbid dawn]

That's how it looks on my rog

[tight hill]

do you have 2 set?

[turbid dawn]

nope

[tight hill]

need it for kingsbane to trigger the coins

and for the 2 flips

[turbid dawn]

yea

now I see

TY bro

didnt notice this

[tight hill]

all good

making the most before reset

did anyone figure out if it was already stealth nerfed? still slaps

[turbid dawn]

Can you show me yr talents?

[turbid dawn]

Bro, the last thing. Did you make or downolad UI? Looks so clean

[tight hill]

oh thanks, mostly its mUI and betterblizzframes

[dapper chasm]

Did someone say clean UI?

[tight hill]

that is gross

[halcyon timber]

Big freaking tempest good lord.

[jaunty osprey]

That’s their fault for falling below 80% HP

should’ve stayed at 100%

[spring bough]

Coins still gonna brrrrrtttttt even after tomorrow

[dark kernel]

It's working for me now.

It took time but it's happening

[rotund garnet]

Hi everyone, I don’t usually play Rogue, but this season I want to play it more and learn how to get better with the class. I specifically chose Assassination as my specialization. Could anyone give me some tips on how to play and also share some talent builds I could use?

[spare junco]

how do you get 2 set pieces if you only have 1 charge for the upgrade thing

catalyst

[spring bough]

It’s just all FATE

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-finger-guns-gif-9696677

[tight hill]

There's a bunch of builds in the pins to try. Shadenox on youtube has a bunch of games you can watch that break down his playstyle that are really helpful

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-meet-your-destiny-master-oogway-kung-fu-panda-gif-26485579

[tight hill]

1600 rating you get another charge

[spare junco]

i see

thanks

is 1600? relatively easy to get?>

thats not really a good question cactually

nvm

[tight hill]

depends on skill level, but yh 1600 is not really high so should be easy

[halcyon timber]

Depends on your awareness, teammates, and game knowledge for sure. Don’t get discouraged. We have another catalyst charge soon so you can get tier converted, or you can do any pve activity- save conquest(to purchase)- > spend on the varnish to make a pve tier set (from vault as an example) have the item level scale up like conquest equivalency.

[rotund garnet]

Thanks! I’ll check out the pinned builds and also watch some of Shadenox’s videos to learn more.

[halcyon timber]

Paladins when they see Outlaw’s putting people in the ground where they belong.

[potent pivot]

Make sure you read all your abilities/talents. generate combo points, spread bleeds, envenom is mostly filler.

Basically melee aff lock

[stoic spruce]

Hmmmm

Assa

I need a reason to use my cool dagger mog I got from the TW vendor

[rotund garnet]

Got it. Besides that, is it viable to use the one-button setup for abilities?

[potent pivot]

Depends on your definition of viable

It’s basically -30% dps to any spec in the game

[vocal surge]

real

[potent pivot]

You also still have to have the ability to use cooldowns, defensives and CC yourself when using the 1 button thing

[rotund garnet]

Wow, I didn’t know it reduced that much… I was thinking of using the one-button setup just to reduce the number of buttons and use other abilities on the remaining ones.

[rotund garnet]

Yes, that’s exactly it — using the other buttons for cooldowns, defensives, and CC. Would that be viable? Or is it still better to use the normal buttons?

[potent pivot]

it's definitely always going to be better to use regular buttons

by a long shot

using the 1 button thing as a tool to learn might be okay, but that's not really what its meant for

doesn't really teach anything, mostly an accessibility feature

[rotund garnet]

Got it. It’s just that I’m Brazilian, and we don’t really have anyone in Portuguese who ‘teaches’ like some YouTubers you’re used to watching… lol. It’ll kind of be a learning experience through reading.

And especially the tips from you all lol, so knowing or maintaining a Rogue rotation is kind of tricky… I’ve mostly played classes like Warrior and Paladin

[gusty hedge]

sheeesh insta dead
what are those combat numbers.?

[cosmic chasm]

What’s the prio for arenas, new to sub PvP (ran sin season 1) am I trying to heavily CC or should I be bursting

[potent pivot]

both

[potent pivot]

i gotcha, besides trying to read/watch guides you can also just ask whatever here if you have questions, usually someone will try to answer at some point

[tight hill]

Nameplate scrolling combat text

Font is af Pepsi

[covert vault]

right, so that's this season's set sorted. even though i wish the white and blue one was the elite one D:

[stoic spruce]

my friend wants to run scooby-doo with me as sub

so I was wondering

how do I play sub without looking like a hypocritical traitor?

youre good with all that moral stuff

@spring bough im still an outlaw if its only for scooby-doo 2s with one specific friend right?

im still outlaw+healer in 2s when not with said friend

[spring bough]

Idk what that means

[stoic spruce]

ret/rogue sounds like ruh roh

hence why its called scooby-doo

yoooo

I forgot I changed the icons lol

[twilit night]

what spec is "best" (fun and strong)

[potent pivot]

Just play which ever one you like

[abstract stratus]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the fatebound cheese build is completely useless into pet classes right, with it splitting all the coin damage into oblivion

[halcyon timber]

How would it be useless when they depend on those to do X Y Z? Ex: Soul Link from Warlock still splits life with the warlock so they still will take damage as you are cleaving no? Same deal with BM, someone has to heal those companions or buddy is going to have to boogie out and revive them etc. Yes it is split, but it isn't the "only" damage.

[abstract stratus]

A bm hunter with all of their pets or a demo lock with all of their imps would basically reduce this bonus to nothing and then also the split damage to nearby enemies

[halcyon timber]

Understood however that would be expected as hitting full 2M hits on multi targets would be asking for further reductions. Lucky 7 and other stuff still are added on no?

[abstract stratus]

The cleaving portion of the hero tree should just be removed

It’s really never useful

[halcyon timber]

It is supplementary to the core kit chosen by the specialization side. It isn't supposed to be something ridiculous to be tuned around.

[jolly sierra]

dude the cloak is EZ af to raise from ilvl w the strings

def would buy r3 in enchants there + the epic mast thread

[halcyon timber]

yeah crafting order for the improved fiber right? It's around 1700 stat of your choice. Dunno if it gets any higher than that though.

[jolly sierra]

it scales w ilvl tho

[halcyon timber]

That's nice to know. Even across the board so no one can b b b buttt mutterings.

[dark kernel]

Mvq on some Reckful shit

[barren aspen]

Can someone explain to me why it’s so hard to do damage on outlaw?

[potent pivot]

Nah it’s fine

If you really think about it, loads of damage is cleaved or “mitigated” from pets being around

No big deal

[barren aspen]

ON THE TARGET dummy I can’t even break 2 mil dps

[potent pivot]

Wouldn’t even call it a “cheese build” either

It’s going to be the normal build after tomorrow

[barren aspen]

Is anyone breaking 2 mil dps

Single target

On outlaw

No cleave

[gusty hedge]

on a target dummy 100%

[barren aspen]

I can’t

I’m playing the KIR

Date bound

Should I be playing trickster

[gusty hedge]

HO here,
@spring bough KIR Hero

[barren aspen]

What

Can someone link me a build

[potent pivot]

Pins

Not to sound rude but you likely just need practice

[barren aspen]

I’ve been playing it in a lot of lobbies

[potent pivot]

KiR is a bit harder to play well too so you may be better off playing HO at first

[barren aspen]

Is the date bound nerf

Going to affect it

Or nah

[potent pivot]

sorta seems like the fatebound nerf already went live for outlaw

but nah not a big amount

[nimble shard]

is there a reason the deathstalker assa build takes tricks over blackjack? tricks is useless in pvp no?

[potent pivot]

you can swap utility nodes as you see fit, but no tricks isn't useless in pvp

we have a pvp talent that turns tricks into a dps buff

[nimble shard]

oh yea.. i just never played it before so i didn't realize mb

[barren aspen]

Yea this fatebound shit is ass

I’m constantly hitting the dummy trying new things

And it’s still 1.4 mil at best

Is it bc I don’t have tier?

[potent pivot]

i mean thats likely part of it yes but i don't think thats the only issue

[halcyon timber]

yeah can't roll your ass across the keys.

[wet crown]

is outlaw good right now, or meme status?

[potent pivot]

its fine

[stoic spruce]

I got my first warning!

what a day

it wasnt even in pvp

what a twist!

[wet crown]

did you say ret paladins are cringe

[stoic spruce]

no

I told Soul-Scribe "Gimme your loot Void Monkey"

[static holly]

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-lmao-gif-22173456

[stoic spruce]

I will do it again

this does nothing but make me worse

[static holly]

Was more funny then rude, nothing wrong

[stoic spruce]

I thought racism for fantasy races was okay

[jolly sierra]

where tf did u said that lol

[stoic spruce]

IN A KEY

caps

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDD

[abstract stratus]

Game has never been balanced around 2s so the meta is always fucked in that bracket

[formal pebble]

AI can only go off of previously scrapped data, giving them the pvp reins will just have them eat what devs have done and then it will spit out the current but worse

[stoic spruce]

It's really not that bad

I think you're just going through it atm

[sharp sierra]

its first week man

[stoic spruce]

thats also more of an outlaw problem because its in poor condition atm

outlaw just a CC bot atm

thisll change in Midnight

trust

[dark kernel]

I just don't know many outlaw players who even queue 2s anymore.

I personally don't. I don't even want to touch that bracket these days

[stoic spruce]

I just do it for the conquest and I get my fill at around 1600

really no reason to go higher

esp when 3s is right there

[unique garnet]

im scuffed

[stoic spruce]

its been that way more often than not because of its damage profile not synching with anything else in the game

[unique garnet]

i was like ~1900 last season at the end after a few days played, I just don't feel like doing warlock/dk games at the moment which are my highest rank alts (2100)

2100 for the illusion and anything higher is just pain

oh yeah thats the cloak

[halcyon timber]

Van and verm did double outlaw past 1800

[unique garnet]

no one streams pvp outlaw at a high level that i can find so im just here thinking im playing right

I mean i saw there was ~3k blitz streamers..... that last streamed months ago

I haven't done a ton of blitz so idk what its like the last time i did a lot of rated bgs was MoP and got 2000

good ol openque addon

[stoic spruce]

blitz as outlaw is omega tilting

[unique garnet]

the only reason i'd want to do blitz is on warrior since I still need 2h mogs from the replica stuff

your infering that people read chat in soloshuffle

I just see people hitting high rank in bltiz by duo queing with healers

but im not getting kills on lava i must swap carts

[stoic spruce]

I will say

[modest ore]

might be a silly question but is there a way to target my focus target?

[stoic spruce]

I get my KiR off cooldown a lot faster than I initially thought I would

[unique garnet]

as a range class i must stay out of the cart circle at all time

[stoic spruce]

or rather, use it more often than I thought I would

every match I get four or five uses

at least

[jaunty osprey]

/target focus

try that

[unique garnet]

you mean via addons? or do you mean a hotkey to change primary target

[jaunty osprey]

in a macro

[modest ore]

im trying to figure out a way to shadowstep kidney

but i dont mind pressing kidney on another button

[unique garnet]

/cast [@focus]

[modest ore]

but it snot targetting the focus

[stoic spruce]

I play it everywhere

[modest ore]

tyty

[stoic spruce]

2s, shuffle, 3s, etc

the dmg difference is night and day

[unique garnet]

im glad you didn't ask for cast at friendly target of target i hate those macros

[stoic spruce]

but its def harder

[modest ore]

o.o

my brain cant handle trhat

i can barely handle focus macro xD

[stoic spruce]

youre gonna have uptime issues regardless, might as well do more damage

[unique garnet]

Only use would maybe be tricks if your running it

this is it on my dk

[stoic spruce]

it really doesnt

esp with 2pc

I prefer HO in pvp dont get me wrong but its really just not it rn

[unique garnet]

you can break stealth with blade fury too

[stoic spruce]

yeah that one is annoying

its actually not a bug

fun fact

coin flips are an attack

yeah is def shitty

I'd wager an oversight tbh

no way theyd do something like that on purpose

[modest ore]

sorry guys 1 more question. is there a way to toggle on my targets target via bars? i dont see it in edit

unit frames

[unique garnet]

I forget what does HO mean

[stoic spruce]

uhuh in general is really annoying to play around in pvp

[stoic spruce]

hidden opportunity

[unique garnet]

ooooh

its the build im playing

but im also fatebound for the single target damage

outlaws kit is do you want to survive but do no damage or do you want to pop vanish and stay in

I honestly don't know whats better for pvp

[stoic spruce]

I want a viable build thats less reliant on vanish

but then you get

"but its a rogue"

ive been taking dfa

im not even going to attempt to not take it

I never use the feint talent

I dont die in stuns

or nobody ever goes me

so i never get use

[halcyon timber]

Because blade flurry does an initial hit is why

[unique garnet]

also 2 dumb questions do you still need to pop ghostly strike first or is that bug been fixed, and for roll the bones/bladeflurry try to get 100% uptime or just whenever your going to your next vanish window or ghostly strike window trying to see if im messin up

[spring bough]

Just macro ghostly onto AR, sinister, dispatch, BTE, flurry, pistol. I wouldn’t try to line up ghostly, adrenaline and vanish. The only thing I will do is hold adrenaline if vanish is 45 seconds off CD. I’ll get that back. Vanish. Pop AR and go into BTE slams

Just do enough of that and the coins will stack. I don’t even really keep track of them other than knowing I got a lucky coin proc

[unique garnet]

wouldn't you want to just use BTE and not dispatch tho? since crackshock

[spring bough]

yeah thats why i said go into BTE slams

just macro ghostly onto everything cause ull hit dispatch outside of a crack window and if ghostly is up itll just go and no need to worry about watching CDs on it

[dark stump]

is game dead in EU?

[jolly sierra]

is that high?

[spring bough]

welcome to NA wait times

yes game feels like pvp slowly dying cause blizz never fixes shit for pvp and then fucks people like rogues 5 days into the season

[dark stump]

when it's higher than blitz queue yes

[spring bough]

honestly what other class would blizz push a hotfix for early instead of waiting until tuesday.... ill wait for an answer thats not rogue.... and ill keep waiting cause it wont come

[jolly sierra]

1 minute?

[dark stump]

i am talking about average

[jolly sierra]

ah

its actually very low

[dark stump]

since i never get any queue before the average

[jolly sierra]

i've got 50m q popping

but i know a trick

get off to the WC

and it will queue

they always knows when you have to do your needs

[dark stump]

i try pve , RNG decide to give the middle finger
i try pvp , i wait more for a queue than a friend to prepare

[vocal surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJLW8s4BpoU&ab_channel=DalaranGaming

[dark stump]

i feel like each of his vid are just click bait

[jolly sierra]

welp, vermillius himself fights a lot there

[vocal surge]

^

[jolly sierra]

as guest

[dark stump]

does it change anything if i reshanor wm on?

[vocal surge]

I've been denied by L2

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[vocal surge]

I'm above 2k in 2s

[jolly sierra]

big meanie

[vocal surge]

Ah

[jovial surge]

hey so I am just getting back into PvP after a long time of not playing it and have been playing sin rogue, is there any good way to deal with / play around SV hunter mending bandage? the only real way I have been able to do anything is to try and get them to burn it before popping KB or DM, but if they don't take the bait on that I genuinely am struggling to deal with it (I am getting SL hunter feign death legendary flashbacks 💀 )

[spring bough]

me n verm have smoked some of those 5v5s. the one i went on a 4 win streak to end it LOL

[jolly sierra]

gg, you are literal gladiators

[halcyon timber]

Killing spree smoked the moonkin hard

[vocal surge]

What killed the Moonkin was Slice and Dice xD

[halcyon timber]

SLICE COIN OF DOOM xD

[vocal surge]

Yep lol

If you rewatch it

[halcyon timber]

Hmm wonder if you can deny drinks that way

[vocal surge]

At the end of Killing Spree, I SnD and you can see the tail coin pop out

You used to be able to

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Tab target a healer and slice

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Not anymore

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Was a wise change

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Aye

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Forbidden scroll of marksmen hunters

The set up on the shaman was filthy though. I think that was the same clip you sent me the other day but i only saw that one as the vid cut out for whatever reason

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Aye

Unironically duels are very close for some classes

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Doesn’t dueler’s guild exist still? People complained too much about that too

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While hard / impossible for others

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Warrs seems to struggle bad into rets these days eh?

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Rn it varies

If they pop Divine Shield too early

You win in less than 20s after it drops

If they use CDs wisely, ezpz +5mins

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Yeah, ive seen more just trinket and blinding light lately than blow ds / bop

Glad to see it though

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What’s predictions for most silly classes after stam buffs tomorrow?

• druids in dire bear form
• locks
• rets
• x?

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locks

since locks get leech + dark pact which depend of their stamina

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For sure man

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gg you created the most tankiest class

glass canon this shit is an iron canon

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XD

Like in TWW prepatch

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getting 7m by chaos then when i say it people say i'm cooked in the head