pvp

[outer sky]

i mean I'd like to think I know how to do damage on this spec and didnt randomly forget

[spring bough]

Rogue damage is nuts right not gonna lie

[jaunty osprey]

I’m at work right now, but I was consistently 100M damage higher than anyone else per 3s match

even in short matches

[spring bough]

Try some outlaw 2pc pew pew

[jaunty osprey]

Killing spree hitting for 8M with 1 cast in Single Target is fun

[spring bough]

Nah what’s fun is 7 coin procs ina row that do 1-2mil a pop ontop of a crack window

And then ending that with a KS

20mil plus gg

[jolly sierra]

when i tried skirmishes i lose almost every one of them yesterday, i felt it wasnt normal xdd

[spring bough]

I had a game last night 3mil dps sustained 😂

[orchid plinth]

Dazed was blasting with 2p Fatebound

[jaunty osprey]

Remember, assa rogue is a ramp spec if you’re playing deathstalker

The longer you draw out matches

and can ramp your bleeds

[spring bough]

Go look at some of the details I posted last night. People were going 80% to 0% in less than 1.0 sometimes

[jaunty osprey]

the more damage you do

But if games are ending quick; you do less damage vs other specs

[spring bough]

4pc with more arendalines being cast is going to blast

[jolly sierra]

are you considering fatebound this season?

[jaunty osprey]

Me?

[jolly sierra]

ive heard ppl is leaning towards it

perhaps

[spring bough]

Fatebound slaps

[jaunty osprey]

I have builds made for Fatebound!

[spring bough]

Coins go brrrrrrttttttt

[jaunty osprey]

But I need to play with a fire mage/destro/hunter

to test it

Not with aff lock

[spring bough]

You should play with 2 outlaw rogues in 3s

[jolly sierra]

do you think they could work for SS?

[spring bough]

We would delete healers off the start of the game

[dark stump]

that's because the fatebound 2set effect is strong

when most class have a huge buff with a 4 set effect

[spring bough]

7 coin procs in a row every vanish adrenaline window

It’s insane. Literally insane damage. Never seen outlaw like this since DF lol

[outer sky]

these are the lobbies ive had

[jolly sierra]

hmmmm, maybe could consider that, but... i gotta pick the ret for now to transfer some honor to the panda

[dark stump]

do it , join the dark side

[jolly sierra]

the ret is always my backup since DF tbh

[dark stump]

close, i hate playing against evoker

(ret)

[spring bough]

@jolly sierra

Coin damage. Add it up. Tell me what it is 😂

[jolly sierra]

how tf the coins hits so hard

[dark stump]

Gambler power

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-all-or-nothing-gif-940052929516816023

[spring bough]

I did 10 milly coin damage here in less than 2.0
Seconds ontop of crack window

[dark stump]

if i'm not wrong the 2 set effect throw the same coin a second time

correct me if i'm wrong

[spring bough]

Cause 2set lets u proc 7 coins out of stealth adrenaline window into crack. And then the 7th flip also procs a lucky coin

[jaunty osprey]

Wonder if I can play Outlaw with Assa gear

LMAO

[verbal field]

we play reshii in pvp?

[jaunty osprey]

4 of my rogues already spent their bloody tokens and crafts

[dark stump]

with gambling everything is possible, except my dream

[jaunty osprey]

ya

[dark stump]

ya

[spring bough]

Do it. Huge MGs. Just make sure I have like 19.5% haste if u do KIR fatebound

[jaunty osprey]

Prob wont do KIR

[verbal field]

oh

[spring bough]

KIR blasts more than HO for me right now

5-6 buffs KIRd in all game is insane work

[jaunty osprey]

Ya, just get CC’d too much at higher ratings

so your buffs and whatnot will fall off

and can’t reset KIR enough

[dark kernel]

I really can only do KIr into heavy melee

Into casters it's just ass

[spring bough]

Honestly. Some games I can hit KIR 2-3 times it’s really good ngl

You can fish for CTO procs and get a nice 4/5 buffs going even 6 if lucky

[dark stump]

what's KIR , CTO?

[dark kernel]

Keep it rolling and cut them off

Err count the odds

[spring bough]

Count the odds. Gives 10 second roll the bones from dispatch randomly

[jaunty osprey]

Count thenodds

not cut them off

LMAOOO

[spring bough]

KIR lets you extend the rolls the bones buffs by 30 seconds

[dark kernel]

Its all cto

[jaunty osprey]

u need a pto

[dark kernel]

Yes I do

[jolly sierra]

cut them off

yes, lets name it like that

from now

[potent pivot]

Idk obviously results vary from person to person but I don’t think assa is super insane so far

[jaunty osprey]

Don’t think it’s underperforming either

[potent pivot]

Don’t think any spec is doing considerably better than last season

[jaunty osprey]

though

Nothing wrong w a spec being average

[potent pivot]

Ye I’m not saying it is

[jaunty osprey]

Dev

2 set

[potent pivot]

I meant rogue

Nub

[jaunty osprey]

oh LOL

[potent pivot]

Some other classes def have some over/under performers

[dark kernel]

Outlaw is substantially better

Even prior to 2 set

[outer sky]

but you never think that

[jaunty osprey]

But complaining about being lowest damage and solo shuffle win loss has to be user error lol

It’s not the class design

[outer sky]

youre right i forgot how to play the game between last week and this week

[jaunty osprey]

Relax, I’m not saying you forgot to play

But being pessimistic about things that are in your control isn’t right

[spring bough]

Outlaw most def is lol

[dark stump]

never in my whole life did i see a holy pala getting killed by an affli

and that affli was trash 1-4

[jaunty osprey]

Out of the 15 assa rogues above 1800 shuffle atm, you’re the only one that’s been above 2700 in shuffle

The other guys are struggling because they’re not good at the game

but even then

50% W/L isnt struggling

it’s intended

[outer sky]

my point is i'm doing the same thing i've been doing and now that its a new season i'm doing like 30% less damage relative to everyone else

maybe im bad

but i didnt get worse

thats a tuning difference

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/cigarette-smoking-smoke-stressed-nervous-gif-3581221

[spring bough]

A lot of other classes blasting to be fair

Hell I lost more games than I won yesterday 😂

[jaunty osprey]

That’s why I’m saying it’s user error, maybe you’re playing tilted

Because you should not be doing that low of damage playing exactly the same as last season

yesterday, Aiden, Cloo, and I all spammed 3s yday as Assa and were not anywhere near bottom of the meters

You should be using CT on single target and making sure you press it on 2+ targets as soon as you can

[gleaming sentinel]

Maybe in melee lobbies with good uptime

[outer sky]

i always use CT on single target. I was doing that even before we were supposed to

[severe hazel]

uhm why are the solo queues so long? am i missing anything?

[jaunty osprey]

EU or NA? If NA, it’s noon on a weekday

[severe hazel]

EU

[spring bough]

Was doing more in every type of lobby tbh. BTE with KIR goes crazy with the added dispatch damage

[severe hazel]

thought first day its giga popping

[jaunty osprey]

if EU, because people are prob getting home from work

and need to buy honour gear, enchant, etc etc

[outer sky]

I mean I am getting some really shit lobbies

but still

[spring bough]

Do u have reshi cape yet? Maybe it’s that

[outer sky]

wtf is that

[spring bough]

The new cloak

[outer sky]

oh

no i dont

im still doing the campaign

[jaunty osprey]

I don’t think those are THAT bad

Hpalas die to assa rogues

[outer sky]

they could be worse but theyre all kinda annoying

[jaunty osprey]

You have a lot of bm which is good for assa

[outer sky]

i havent seen a "good lobby" in a while

[jaunty osprey]

The only rough lobby is 2x hpal, 1x ret

Everything else is winnable

Arcane, don’t kidney them until you kick them on arcane

[outer sky]

I afk'd out of the last one

[jaunty osprey]

so they cant blink

if you never kidney, they have no mobility too

[outer sky]

yeah ive been 1800 before I know how to deal with blink stun

[dreamy zephyr]

Can u craft things already today like neck and rings

or u have to wait

[jaunty osprey]

Okay, keep complaining about assa and get hard stuck 50% win loss then

Your ego is what’s holding you back idk

[outer sky]

all i said was I know how lockouts work

[spring bough]

Yall should go outlaw and just let the coins flip

[outer sky]

not until they get rid of hook

[spring bough]

Hook is the best part we have four as fatebound it’s crazy mobility

[outer sky]

nah not having step kick or step kidney or any instant mobility is aids

[spring bough]

Just blind healer only and you’re good lol

[dark stump]

what am i missing?

[outer sky]

like what even is this

its so stupid

[spring bough]

Damn got deleted 😂

[dark stump]

maybe i should play templar instead of herald

[dark kernel]

Rets special education strong

If their IQ is room temp

[dark stump]

i play ret and i don't have room temp IQ

(i only do it for mog tho)

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19493716

[gleaming pawn]

That’s exactly what a room temp Ret player would say

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-blocks-square-peg-solution-gif-17106616

[dark stump]

i play mage (don't solve my case ?)

[dark kernel]

Actual video of 2400 ret player

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah not helping your argument

[dark stump]

MM hunt?

[dark stump]

which class would help my argument?

[gleaming pawn]

[vocal surge]

I like how I talked about this a few days ago

and people waking up to it being real

[gleaming pawn]

Also I don’t recognize you Noah, you you likely don’t know I’m just giving you shit and teasing

[dark stump]

wait till u meet arcane mage

[outer sky]

i have

[dark stump]

DW

i'm doing the same

[dark stump]

how did it go ?

[dark stump]

then u met holy pala with room temp IQ who don't use LOH

[gleaming pawn]

Damn that’s quite the accomplishment

[spring bough]

Lay on hands needs to be banned

It’s the dumbest ability in the game

[jolly sierra]

i recall for DF s2

[spring bough]

That and pally shields are out of control

[dark stump]

true

except when there's two pala and one sabotage the other

[jolly sierra]

after the god ascension i've got in end s1

i got smacked hard in week 1

by every r1 was playing there

XD

i got like 2k1 shadowflame illusion with negative winrate just because week1

funny af

[spring bough]

My favorite from 2s yesterday was double outlaws just slamming holy paladin and cleaving the dps dead

[jolly sierra]

i really hate hpals as both assa and alt ret

as assa because they messes up a lot w bops, but dies very easily luckily

[grave basin]

this is why you never queue shuffle week 1

[spring bough]

Honestly if Hpal is good there is no winning. We had one lobby last night. DPS was 10% or less. One more cast from us he was dead. And then BOOM 100% on DPS and pally has a bubble and we both died instantly after

[jolly sierra]

as alt ret because they wastes rounds because they bops w magic users instead letting me spellwarden them

[grave basin]

unless you happen to play a busted spec ofcourse

[jolly sierra]

ergo we lose the round for neglecting

[spring bough]

Outlaw is busted rn lol

[jolly sierra]

lay in hands bypassing dampening is a big thing too

as ret i always keep it as last resource

[dark stump]

does anyone how can the shaman over the platform in the pandaria map?

[dark kernel]

Gust of wind

[dark stump]

hmm

Nerf elem

too strong against 2 melee

yaay

[grave basin]

youre not baiting me to queue

[dark stump]

it's with ret

so don't

i'm gonna farm honor with ret then swap to outlaw

sad i didn't get thunderfury

[jolly sierra]

do it again

[dark stump]

do what?

[jolly sierra]

get to MC

to get TF halves

[dark stump]

i did it with all char the bracer just don't want to drop

[spring bough]

What time does Murlok update so I can goon

[jolly sierra]

again

[dark stump]

Currently only my rogue have the right bracer

[spring bough]

Ele shamans are paper

[dark stump]

it's not weekly?

[spring bough]

Que bro

[dark stump]

Yes on paper but to them u're more fragile than paper

[spring bough]

Ele gonna hate to see coin flipping outlaws coming

[jolly sierra]

it just reseted today, right?

[dark stump]

yes and i just did it today

[spring bough]

I can’t wait to get home and smash solo shuffle to elite

[dark stump]

if only the blade were like orange or simething it will be a beauty

[dark stump]

good luck

most of the comp are either pal or elem sham

[jolly sierra]

hm... its easy

[dark stump]

the only rogue i saw were assa and sub

[spring bough]

Coins about to be so lucky gonna be dropping people left n right

[jolly sierra]

try the askhandur

[dark stump]

i guess i will have to go to farm it

even ancient weapon are cool

[spring bough]

What mog should I farm for my rogue to pvp in. Old account has like 10 sets unlocked 😭

Second I get gladiator white recolor I’m rocking that tho

[jolly sierra]

hmmmm

the TBC xmogs are always a safe choice

alongside legion ones

[dark stump]

for outlaw u can either go for the classic pirate or this one

[jolly sierra]

gotta show you my 2k4 flex xmog

[dark stump]

do you think i can solo echo of neltharion ?

[spring bough]

I got the TF legion swords I’m rocking so that’s covered

[dark stump]

for ashkandur mog

[spring bough]

I like any rogue set that’s all white. Might have to farm Aberrus LFR for the white shredder set. If u do aberrus mythic now u can still unlock the shoulders smoke too

[jolly sierra]

no

[jolly sierra]

the vanilla one is gigantic

[dark stump]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[jolly sierra]

compared to the other one

[spring bough]

Yall like the new elite weps for this season? They are great

[spring bough]

0 bindings on this acct would prob take a minute since the other acct took 2 MCs to get it

[jolly sierra]

oof

do it dude

[dark stump]

yeah pretty cool except the bow

[jolly sierra]

u have insane luck after all

[spring bough]

I’ll bring my lucky coins

[hollow carbon]

I feel Like Legion TF looks better than classic

[dark stump]

what's TF?

[spring bough]

The purple and the golden version are 🔥

[spring bough]

Thundefury

[dark stump]

oooh

wait don't tell me it's the same drop rate as the classic one ?

[dark kernel]

Its farmable

Like quickly

[jolly sierra]

this is my 2k4 ret xmog

[spring bough]

Takes less than 30min to get lol

[jolly sierra]

@wintry dew look at me

[wintry dew]

YO

Thats hot

[wide flax]

does it matter which pices my embellishments are on?

[potent pivot]

not really no but you generally want to use your crafts on just neck/rings this week

[wide flax]

Okay that's what I'm doing but i didn't know if neck/finger mattered

also do the neck socket things even exist now?

[spring bough]

Yeah still 2500 honor for the vicious bloodstone. Need 3. Then 5000 honor plus the 3 bloodstones for the gem socket item

[potent pivot]

you can buy the bloodstones on the AH

[gleaming pawn]

They are expensive again though, ~4500g last night

[quaint cedar]

I've been unsubbed for a while. Is outlaw looking any good this season?

[spring bough]

Come back

Play outlaw

You’ll say thank you later 😂

[quaint cedar]

lol for real?

[gleaming pawn]

It’s doing so well, it’ll be nerfed before the AWC

[jolly sierra]

ty i almost never use it ngl

[spring bough]

For realz

[odd yew]

May be blind, last season we had the items for conquest that would let our PvE tier be turned into PvP tier is that not a thing anymore?

[quaint cedar]

Sooo how long before nerfs roll in then? Outlaw is not allowed to be good

[spring bough]

You can command kills now with a stun and bomb with lined up CDs

[spring bough]

Prob before we get four piece 😭

[quaint cedar]

Well might be worth having some fun with it before blizz inevitably kills it again

[spring bough]

Check ur messages look at that death details I sent u

[quaint cedar]

Do you still have to play supercharger to do any damage? I despise not having vigor and being energy starved all the time

[spring bough]

Still playing supercharger. KIR may actually be better than HO. Know what. It IS better right now lol

KIR fatebound slaps so hard idek what else to say

[quaint cedar]

lol nice

I used to hate KIR but I tried it again before the RB nerf last season and it was more fun than I expected

[spring bough]

Ima share this all day. 10 million plus in coin damage here in less than 2.0 seconds

[tribal ridge]

That's sick dmg, ngl.

[quaint cedar]

Wtf are those coin hits

They must have giga buffed it

[vocal surge]

Remember that game

with the hunter

priest thought he was fine

[spring bough]

We got a 13% overall inc

[vocal surge]

and I ate him up from 40% --> 0

[quaint cedar]

Oh yeah that's pretty significant. That's around the same amount we needed in DF S2 to be viable again

[dark stump]

got nothing rip

[tribal ridge]

That potential can also be achieved in BGs? Or
It's better on Arena/Shuffle to pick targets?

[dark stump]

wasted 20min of my life

[spring bough]

All the healers think they fine till we dump them for 20 mil combined in a stun

[spring bough]

Now if they revert restless blades from 80% back to 100% outlaw would be S+ tier idek what to say then

[quaint cedar]

Yeah they should have buffed outlaw like this when they did the RB nerf, not buffing sinister strike by 10% or whatever that worthless compensation was

Outlaw can work with less CDR if the sustain damage is good enough

[spring bough]

Definitely. All u need is vanish, adrenaline and ghostly off CD. Then opener cheap and pop adrenaline into BTE crack window and u force 7 coins which then procs lucky coin on the 7th coin flip. brrrrrrrttrtt. U can control the kill window just line up the offensive CDs

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s working amazing rn even with less CDR. Pumps insane. And CDR feels fine

It’s amazing to watch health just chunk down when u start the pump

[quaint cedar]

Nice. I had to unsub before because I'm just sick to death of playing a no damage spec

[tribal ridge]

I feel like this is a pertinent question because it feels like a high APM in a short stun window.

Can someone playing at 200ms do this?

[quaint cedar]

Shuffle is my main bracket now and having no damage feels so awful

[spring bough]

So we don’t pre pop flurry and adrenaline into stealth anymore we save adrenaline for after we cheap open or use the new adrenaline macro pinned in the outlaw channel to force the 7

[spring bough]

Should be good to rip it lol

[spring bough]

Feels like we can one man win solo shuffle lobbies tbh

[tribal ridge]

Good, I might give it a shot, I didn't decided which spec I wanted to try for PvP this season. ...Even if I mainly play BGs in general.

Thanks!

[wide flax]

you can wear two of the same crafted ring?

[potent pivot]

yh

[wide flax]

okay nice

maybe dumb question can you have two of the same embellish?

[potent pivot]

yh

just use focusing lens x2

[wide flax]

nice

[quaint cedar]

Just read the pin. Does opening with cheap count as canceling stealth in this case or do you specifically need to use /cancelstealth?

[spring bough]

@potent pivot have u played fate outlaw yet?? I think you’ll love it

[potent pivot]

its terrible

🤮

[spring bough]

I was talking with Verm I think cheap counts. If u use the cancel aura you miss a crack window

[spring bough]

lol doubt it. U have 2pc??

[potent pivot]

worst. spec. ever.

delete it

but nah i haven't tried it yet

[spring bough]

Add it to the first on ur list and u won’t play anything else when u get two piece

[dark stump]

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-star-rail-i-love-gambling-roulette-gif-15600735931808948001

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw is perfect if they just rework the spree ai to prioritize players

[spring bough]

I had a lobby last night. Healer and DPS were ontop of each other. KS in total did like 10 mil and 8 was to the healer because I angled so the DPS was behind me kinda

[tribal ridge]

Honestly, it should have been kept as a ST burst with AoE Toggle activation under Flurry.

[gleaming sentinel]

And then you fight a demo in 2s and realize how shit it feels

[jolly viper]

What Fiber should I use for assa rogue pvp?

[wide flax]

does pvp stuff upgrade my reshis?

[spring bough]

Yes

Tarny linked a macro last night you can use to check and upgrade ur cloak

[quaint cedar]

I feel like once everyone adds new KS to their WA airhorn thing it will be a lot less hype because it will get CC instantly

[jolly sierra]

F

[dark kernel]

Some soft CCs don't interrupt it like before. Roots, snares, etc.

Even knock ups don't interrupt it or knock backs

[quaint cedar]

I'm surprised lol

Are you immune to those during spree or just doesn't stop the channel?

[spring bough]

It already does lol

[dark kernel]

Its honestly kind of nice to have a heavy hitting ability even if we have to use brain

[dark kernel]

It doesn't stop channel

[spring bough]

You can press evasion, cloak, feint, and crimson vial all during KS and it doesn’t stop the channel

[quaint cedar]

Can you kick?

[dark kernel]

Yeah that's important to note as well

[spring bough]

Kick interrupts it

[quaint cedar]

Damn

Rest is still good though

I think you can hook too right?

[dark kernel]

I still think it's horseshit that blade Storm makes you immune to CC, but warriors can storm bolt through it

[dark kernel]

Yes

[spring bough]

You can hook during it yet

[quaint cedar]

Nice

[dark kernel]

Drive by shooting kills

[quaint cedar]

lol yeah I love that we're getting more pistol stuff

I wanna blast people

[dark kernel]

The only thing I'm not 100% on is what the angle of the cone is that hits targets

[spring bough]

Pistol is one of KIRs top dmg dealing abilities it’s funny

[harsh kiln]

Gun stuff but KS is still 8yards:(

[dark kernel]

Like is it 180° in front of the character model?

[spring bough]

I’m getting 1.5mil combined FTH pistols even without GSW as KIR

[jaunty osprey]

Mastery one

Could also go Vers later on since we will DR mastery, heavily

[spring bough]

Feel like we all gonna rock verse on cape when we are geared out. Have so many secondary stats idk what to do lol

[trim plover]

hey guys any updates on outlaw pvp rogue ?

[spring bough]

It’s calling ur name

[trim plover]

who

[spring bough]

Outlaw

[trim plover]

send talent let me see

[spring bough]

I swap Heavy hitter/blinding for stam/sleight of hand. Can’t decide what I like best between them

[dark kernel]

Brother. Swap vers for stam we have like 39% vers right now

I promise.

[spring bough]

I guess I could do that lol

[dark kernel]

It gives 54% increased stamina in pvp content from items. Its like 3.7 million health in arenas

[spring bough]

I feel weird dropping verse

[dark kernel]

Its not 5% like the tooltip says

Right now we're like into the second/third area of stat DR in versa

[spring bough]

@jaunty osprey what’s the stats addon u use to show the stat DR

[tall sleet]

do we have any news from blizz about Conqueror varnish gone from vendor

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/true-stat-values

[dark kernel]

No

Its safe to say that it won't be back, or it will be added later so there's less gear advantages at the start of season

[spring bough]

You the man

[trim plover]

whats ur stats vancleef

[spring bough]

Like 14 crit, 37 haste, 38 verse but I’m gonna drop quite a bit of haste for crit

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea you can safely drop the 3% vers talent I swear

[trim plover]

i just copied ur talent i just changed

keep it rolling

with gohstly strike

[spring bough]

Wym? U need ghostly strike for tier

[trim plover]

i didnt notice u using it

why keep it rolling ?

[spring bough]

I might go crit on cape for a minute then cause those stats are with 3% vverse talent and verse on cape

[spring bough]

It’s just strong for BTE and locking in 5-6 buffs for 30-60 seconds is insane

[trim plover]

6min cd tho

[spring bough]

It’s up after 2min or so with CDR

If u get really lucky. Sometimes u can get KIR back before ur 6 buffs fall off and +30 more seconds on them into a reroll that rolls them all again

Cause the first roll after u press KIR doesn’t drop buffs it refreshes them and gives u two superchargers

[trim plover]

what do u think of main gauche build

[spring bough]

MG probably my lowest dmg ability right now idk about that

[trim plover]

outlaw rogue need more expiremnt

mastry = main guche ?

i want it for blitz tho

[spring bough]

GL trying it lol

[tall sleet]

advantage for who..? cant understand their logic

[normal thunder]

what hero talent are you guys playing as sub rog?

[potent pivot]

nothing is concrete yet just play the game yo

play around with both

[tall sleet]

will rogue use 4set? is it worth going for?

[potent pivot]

yes

the tier sets are stronger than we've seen in a long time

[normal thunder]

Aight thanks for your answer

[potent pivot]

garbage

[spring bough]

Murlok fked me. 1807 and left off 😭

@vocal surge top dawg

[trim plover]

season 2 outlaw playable

this season

rip

[tall sleet]

what build we using on s3?

[trim plover]

am still figruing it out

[tall sleet]

we using kingbanes right

[trim plover]

assisantion ?

[spring bough]

Murlok hates me lol. Left me off solo and 2s leaderboard 😭

[trim plover]

any up to date pvp leaderboard ?

live

[fresh ermine]

What are you guys enchanting your chests with

Stormrider agi or crystalline radiance

[jaunty osprey]

Crystalline radiance is what I did

[cyan mural]

what is the current go to pvp spec?

[severe hazel]

where do we get bloody tokens besides the weekly quest?

[jolly sierra]

world quests if you are lucky

[severe hazel]

as a passive or does it need to be the specific quest reward?

[dark kernel]

All world quests give 100 in warmode

[severe hazel]

❤️

[frank ravine]

is the conquest vendor missing in dorn for anyone else's realm rn?

[abstract stratus]

Buddy has it missing as well on stormrage can’t check myself since I’m at work

[frank ravine]

maybe they're adding the tier thing back to the vendor 🙂

lol they did, it just spawned back in

[vocal surge]

6-dubbed my SS lobby

[hidden moth]

Pog

[jolly sierra]

holy shit

[jolly sierra]

oh boy this will be funny, already got a tier piece in this reset

[tight hill]

anyone know what the pvp modifier is on the 2set for sin yet?

[vocal surge]

33%

[tight hill]

oh damn, yeah i think that will be good with singular focus

[vocal surge]

BOOOOOOOOOM

[gusty hedge]

same, and one dropped from lfr, have 1 weekly charge and one at 1600. will have 4 piece by tomorrow if i end up crashing soon

[cyan mural]

For sub do we use Astral Aspirants Dagger main hand and Astral Aspirants Morningstar in off hand, for sub?

[dark kernel]

No

2 daggers

Always now

[cyan mural]

Okay ty, what stats are the most important ones on the gear?

[dark kernel]

Mast/vers

[cyan mural]

What for the gear pices that dont have mast/vers?

[potent pivot]

crit

check bloody token vendor or craft vers/mast pvp gear as well

[cyan mural]

thanks, what spec would you guys recommend for pvp and why?

[potent pivot]

play what you enjoy mang

[hidden moth]

Ret

[jolly sierra]

good shit god that is luck

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

disgusting dont talk to me

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

i gotta wait like 3 freaking weeks lmao

gg

[silent umbra]

I love how the names of the set pieces are like “tactical vest!” “Smokemantle!!” And then it’s just like “…pants”

[jolly sierra]

god dammit

gratz

[silent umbra]

You think the intern just got tired after thinking of a few creative names?

[jolly sierra]

the trick is into using the 1k6/the conq upgrade, the weekly one and the catalyst, right?

[gusty hedge]

yeah, for quick 2 set

[spring bough]

this carpet mount from wotlk timewalk pretty sick

[dark kernel]

I got same piece in my vault

[fading yacht]

what items should i craft first for sub for pvp? something id keep for a while

[spring bough]

well first lobby

2-1 and then a leaverr

[severe hazel]

@fading yacht 2x ring + neck and u keep it all season

[fading yacht]

thanks. thats what i figured but wanted to be sure

[severe hazel]

how do you guys like to open in general? cc only and build up or insta send blades and other cds?

[languid ravine]

trinket first global then send all oneshot macros at all costs

[spring bough]

MM in my solo lobby doing 75mil less dmg than the 2nd lowest

LOL

DH dies and my sham pops link after he died.... yeah thats gonna help healing a dead body

[spring bough]

solo shuffle is so frustrating

DH is 10%

pally is training resto sham.... like bro open ur eyes and SWAP

[dark kernel]

Nothing tilts me worse than lobbies were one of the DPS always is just doing their own thing

And it's always something terrible like training the healer from the gate opening

[dark stump]

can u bring MM pve from the abyss ?

with rogue too

[spring bough]

MM in this lobby did 472m overrall..... lowest the next guy did 699m

[halcyon timber]

Damn gif didn’t load

[spring bough]

MM did almost 300mil less than the next guy

wild

i squeaked out a win for him 4-2 the lobby lol

[spring bough]

champion level interloper boots from the time walk crate LETS GO

[sharp sierra]

murlok down for anyone else?

[spring bough]

we rival in solo shuffle and 2s boys

[vocal surge]

Chadlaw

[keen canopy]

getting a kill as outlaw feels like a herculean task

[spring bough]

got 2pc? gotta line up the vanish adrenaline window and slam crack shots

[keen canopy]

that's true my outlaw doesnt have 2 piece yet only my sub rogue does

and i havent touched sin at all

this season so far

[exotic dove]

LFG is dead today looking for any healer for 2s real quick. 30 min nothing Looks like its shuffle or bust

[spring bough]

welcome to the 15-20 min que times lol

[exotic dove]

Ill take that I cant get anyone to join my 2s group from LFG

been sitting 40 minutes now

not a single heals

Although my MMR on all my Rogues is 2400+ from last season so how are the qs at about 2200 range?

Seems like its whatever you were last season minus 200 mmr anyway for this season

[hidden moth]

bouta start droping vers

holy

[vocal surge]

Lol

[jolly sierra]

dude you can't destroy green heraldries

wtf

[spring bough]

AH them

[jolly sierra]

k

[hidden moth]

@jaunty osprey for gearing im thinking, tier pants, and tier gloves with conq. crafted rings and neck bloody token is where im unsure what i wanna get grab belt, and bracers?

@potent pivot

[abstract stratus]

yes

he said this earlier

[hidden moth]

when n where

[hidden moth]

this chat is like 10000x more active

ah

@potent pivot get that shit pinned

thx poe

[abstract stratus]

all hail god emperor ivanrah

[spring bough]

pin it

[hidden moth]

hey at lesast i got all the items correct based on my own deductions before checking discord for gear lol

[abstract stratus]

TRUEEEE

[spring bough]

my blitz MMR is 2350 lol

[vocal surge]

Sheesh

[hidden moth]

what is this tmog

what are those glaives holy shit

[abstract stratus]

Pretty sure those are the mage tower

[wintry dew]

Emerald nightmare + nighthold rogue tier

Glaives are mage tower

[spring bough]

im in a solo with a BM, arcane and a devo with a pres and disc healing.....

im so cooked

[jolly sierra]

mage tower xmogs indeed are worth the merit

the designs are good af

[spring bough]

arcane mage just wen 0-6

what is this world coming too

boys the new illusion on TF looks SICK

[jolly sierra]

i went 2-6

cuz fkn lag

[hybrid sapphire]

does anyone have that cloak macro

[jolly sierra]

got a very filthy lag spike in a moment

[exotic dove]

I have a hard time believing my Sudden demise hit this boomy for 3 mil

in 2s

Healer saved him from one then deathmark came back up

[spring bough]

/run GenericTraitUI_LoadUI()GenericTraitFrame:SetSystemID(29)GenericTraitFrame:SetTreeID(1115)ToggleFrame(GenericTraitFrame)

[hybrid sapphire]

ty my liege

[spring bough]

every sudden demise i seen so far is 1.5mil minimum nothing less

[exotic dove]

Ok so details is just bugging out

[spring bough]

they prob hit that

[exotic dove]

I mouse over it and it says it max crit for 3 mil on the final one

[spring bough]

i have seen 2mil prety sure

pretty much everry sin ive seen that wins a round gets a KB with that lol

[exotic dove]

oh yeah for sure I just never seen a 3 mil

[spring bough]

wait till full gear pew pew

[hidden moth]

gross

[outer sky]

Ok nevermind what I said earlier. The game is perfectly fine

[spring bough]

time for outlaw

[dark kernel]

its timne

do you recomment Trickster until 2pc?

[spring bough]

either would work trick prob does a bit more till fate 2pc

[outer sky]

have they replaced hook with step yet?

[spring bough]

just pretend it steps lol

[vocal surge]

I won a 2k rated game

With 1 CC used

Just blind

But that'd be for the Mugambala match before this lobby

This one was a steamroll xD

[hybrid sapphire]

@spring bough im not trickz

[dark kernel]

Question

Are the helm enchants from visions gone?

[spring bough]

they dont work no more

[hybrid sapphire]

@dark kernel seems like it

[dark kernel]

weird

[dark kernel]

Damn dude you are not kidding on coins

This is one button press

2Million and that's without tier

[spring bough]

yeeeeeee buddddddyyyyyy

[hybrid sapphire]

gg @spring bough

[spring bough]

lobby wass whacked lol

spriest did 300mil less dmg than me lol

that DH just hit duelist lol

[dark kernel]

I need to figure out what bloody token piece im doing.

every piece but gloves, shoulders probably not a bad choice?

[spring bough]

i bought a MH wep lol

[dark kernel]

queued into a 0-6 round my first lobby

this literally tilts me to death

How is it that on reset my first lobby is mother fucking ThunderCleave and Ret/War every round

There's literally no winning

[hybrid sapphire]

ummm hello tf

[dark kernel]

mine was that long

[spring bough]

yeah 27 min into a 15min avg rn

one pop and it declined RIP

[dark kernel]

Yeah queue is so ass I cant even farm conq

[dark kernel]

Going 0-6 my first round lowered my queue a LOT

[hybrid sapphire]

ill try that

[spring bough]

i went more crit and BTE is doing 90% crit in a round lol

[dark kernel]

Rets hurt so fucking bad

[dark stump]

play lock

[hybrid sapphire]

do we know what we buy with conq first? im assa

or do we wait

[runic laurel]

I feel like there’s a lot of factors, like whether ur getting pve tier or crafting 720 ilvl pve stuff with spark

[potent pivot]

legs/gloves

[hybrid sapphire]

we dont know if we're converting anything into tier yet right

[potent pivot]

We do

[hybrid sapphire]

which?

[potent pivot]

…

[hybrid sapphire]

...legs/gloves, i take it?

[potent pivot]

Indeed

[fossil sierra]

anyone got some sub builds for shuffle?

[potent pivot]

[fossil sierra]

or assas?

[potent pivot]

There’s some pinned

Those should be fine til we have 4set

[fossil sierra]

oh word so not much changed?

[potent pivot]

Not really no

Basically nothing has changed

[dark kernel]

I am actually

not having a good fucking time

tier better make a world of difference because right now this doesnt feel good

[potent pivot]

All the tier sets this season are quite strong

Though they’re likely only +3% dps per 2/4 set bonus, if that

[dark kernel]

i dunno how you're getting these numbers in games because Im not anywhere close

[potent pivot]

He’s secretly using the WeakAura that doubles your dps on details

[spring bough]

when people dont take BOP off a pally when they can...... omg

we got duelist on a 3-3 i dont like it lol

[dark kernel]

brother I dont want to hear shit

I have the worst season starts known to man

[grave basin]

@spring bough bruh they added heraldries

[spring bough]

damn whats going wrong brother

[grave basin]

after i made 2pc pvp

[spring bough]

yeah RIP

[grave basin]

i have a hero chest to convert

but now i cant use it

[hybrid sapphire]

????? do i have to spec into kingsbane????

[dark kernel]

the KIR fatebound feels wonk, feels like I get MAYBE 2 finishers in crack window because if you get bad RNG

does no damage

tried HO and other build but meh

oh well

[spring bough]

idk brother im pushing kills with it

[dark kernel]

yeah i dont know

you do balls to wall damage Im trying to CC too much idk

[fossil sierra]

what 2 piece is best?

for sub/assas?

[spring bough]

dont CC

i dont CC a lot lmao

throw a blind yeah but dont run out to stun in crack window

[hybrid sapphire]

wait do we get two charges this week? or one?

[waxen meteor]

Is 1600 this season one additional charge or direct redeem a piece

[dark kernel]

well tomorrows another day

later

[vocal surge]

Had a fever dream BG

lol

Deephaul Ravine, team's getting farmed at spawn

Me n sub rogue start doing rogue shenanigans (camping Crystal at mid)

We did some assassin's creed moves, jumping off the railroad onto the dude who just freshly picked up that crystal

and killing em, grabbing the stone and dashing for turn in

or quite literally grapple past an entire BG team with the crystal and giant pillar of light and get ignored like its a stealth game and im far outside their detection radius

With 1 warrior schizophrenicly spamming his /tar macro trying to see where im at

and chasing me to the ends of the earth to stop me from capping

Lastt crystal to win it all, a disc priest assisted a warrior halfway up the stairs and walked away

warrior heroic leaps away

I strike

100 --> 30

then 30 --> 0

grabbed crystal and dunked it infront of him

[spring bough]

sounds like a move holy hell lol

[waxen meteor]

@spring bough Is this season 1600 another gear or just another convert charge

[potent pivot]

charge

[potent pivot]

for the fatebound one yeah prolly

[potent pivot]

you only get 1 base charge

[waxen meteor]

already 70% mastery & 34% vers

[potent pivot]

gotta hit 1.6k for a 2nd charge

[safe pelican]

lol I’m over here eating glue on sub , just tryna get out of this 639 i level gear

[waxen meteor]

Tbh I think Sin's tier is so bad this season

[potent pivot]

nah

[waxen meteor]

Deathstalker side

[hybrid sapphire]

wait but i only have one charge

and i hit 1.6

where does the other one come from

[potent pivot]

check if you have a quest or go talk to the catalyst npc

[waxen meteor]

I can do two tier now, but i sort of dont know if it's doing any good

[potent pivot]

they're all good

[waxen meteor]

I don't know where it is good

[potent pivot]

what

[waxen meteor]

2 tier buffs the dmg of like 6% ish

right?

[dark stump]

check ur inventory

u will find something that look like a black void shard

[potent pivot]

idk what you mean

using the tier sets should all be around minimums of +3% dps or more

[hybrid sapphire]

thanks that was it

[potent pivot]

compared to just using stat items

its basically +40% damage to all deathstalker damage

for the deathstalker 2p

[waxen meteor]

but deathstalker dmg is like 6% of total ish, isn't it

[potent pivot]

between deathstalkers mark, singular focus, a couple other damage source

i don't think its as small as 6% no

[waxen meteor]

Just did a cleave pvp dummy with everything added 8% ish

[potent pivot]

all i know for sure rn is that tier is worth 100%

[waxen meteor]

and 4 tier is adding 1 sec of shiv dmg buff duration lol

where dh makes dance blade from 3 hits to 12 hits

[hybrid sapphire]

i want the deathmark cdr so bad

[potent pivot]

2sec

and it consumes deathstalkers marks

[waxen meteor]

in arena was 1

[potent pivot]

which is way more damage than you'd think

[jaunty osprey]

arcane mage is fine btw

@potent pivot

[waxen meteor]

at least per tooltip

[jaunty osprey]

10m surge

[potent pivot]

it should be 2

[hybrid sapphire]

arcane should be banned

[potent pivot]

but you're leaving out the most important part

[hybrid sapphire]

just in general

[potent pivot]

shiv consuming deathstalker's marks is a pretty fat amount of damage

[dark stump]

yep it's fine

[potent pivot]

.>

[jaunty osprey]

still outdamaged him btw

by a lot

[dark stump]

if he can't cast he can't blast

[spring bough]

that tickles lmaooo

[jaunty osprey]

he did it again btw

[spring bough]

does cloak go to 723 this coming week?

ends at 730 right?

[waxen meteor]

damn, first week not enough to upgrade chest to tier + buy leg

[potent pivot]

get legs/gloves

[waxen meteor]

Chest from valut, not my choice 🙂

I can go with glove + chest but i am not sure needed

yeah i will do glove with blood token most likely

[dark stump]

?

[potent pivot]

why wouldn't you get conq gloves

to turn into tier

[dark stump]

i don't understand do you meant not enough conq?

[waxen meteor]

worths for 1st week, but seems a waste for 2 weeks

[potent pivot]

..huh..

[waxen meteor]

I have got a tier chest from vault, upgrade to pvp item level takes 875

if i buy a conquest leg and convert -> another 875

[dark stump]

i don't think u can convert a pve item to pvp no?

[potent pivot]

you can

[waxen meteor]

yeah you can

[potent pivot]

they re-added the thing

[waxen meteor]

Think fresh added

[dark stump]

bruh

[waxen meteor]

I can see it from vendor now

Well in theory I can do 3 tier now

[dark stump]

either buy a minor gear or just buy leg with blood token then catalyst

idk that much about stats but if u need tier set

[waxen meteor]

True, I just want to save overall haha

[dark stump]

minor gear = 700 conq point gear

[potent pivot]

buying bloody token items in tier slots

is just kinda bad

[waxen meteor]

It's fine anyway, tbh just 3 item lvl

I hope they are going to fix mastery dagger too

[fossil sierra]

do we craft 3 jewelry or dagger?

[potent pivot]

jewelry

[waxen meteor]

Just did a 2.6M dps game lol

[potent pivot]

tokens are better spent on off pieces

[waxen meteor]

Without pet on other side

[potent pivot]

its got nothing to do with the 3 ilvl

[dark stump]

like?

[potent pivot]

the same shit as always

[waxen meteor]

Do your Campaign to get your Cloak. To upgrade Cloak, simply run this script:
/run GenericTraitUI_LoadUI()GenericTraitFrame:SetSystemID(29)GenericTraitFrame:SetTreeID(1115)ToggleFrame(GenericTraitFrame)

You will be able to upgrade it 3 times this week by just playing Arena.

Craft Pure Dexterous Fiber, put it on your Cloak.

Craft Shoulders, Chest, 1x Ring with honor

Do a few skirmishes to get a quest in ur bags to get 9x Conquest Heraldry
Craft Legs & Boots w/ Mastery Vers and Lense Embellishment with these Conquest Heraldry

Do your Spark quest to get bloody tokens. With Bloody Tokens purchase Wrist and Belt.

Do your Conq cap; purchase Head and Gloves.

Hit 1600, convert the conquest ~~Head and Gloves to Tier. ~~(that's for DH)

Fill the rest of your pieces with Honor Gear.

[potent pivot]

bracers, belts, etc

[dark stump]

for only sin and sub right?

i kinda wanna do outlaw this season

[waxen meteor]

This is for DH, but you can re-use 95% of the content..

[hybrid sapphire]

sick of not having a whitish-bluish ethereal transmog that isnt ugly tbh

[potent pivot]

its all basically the same for every spec in the game

the only thing that changes is which tier item you don't use in the end

[waxen meteor]

I feel our s3 is ugly too

and paladin must have best artiest in the company

[dark stump]

yep that's why i upped a pala just for the set

[waxen meteor]

I am gonna do ret as first alt this season

for the look too pfff

but i feel the normal one looks better than elite though

[safe pelican]

Ally getting absolutely cooked in EBGs this season

[dark stump]

herald of the sun is consistent and got a decent 2set tier effect

but apparently all pala ret set (both) are trash - normal

not me i read it from paladin discord

[dark stump]

let's create an army of arcane ally

[pliant mauve]

Is starting mmr 2,100-2,200 for everyone?

[waxen meteor]

I basically don't read too much for alt lol

[pliant mauve]

For shuffle

[waxen meteor]

if you end of season mmr was 2400-2500, yeah

I started with 2200 ish

[dark stump]

same and i still got pala to like 1980

but then u met the nightamre that is lock

[safe pelican]

Why the fuck is arcane mage doing so much damage

[dark stump]

everyone got a soft reset , i started mine at 1k6

on an alt

[dark stump]

blizzard trying to solve arcane dependancy to arcane surge by creating a bigger problem

[pliant mauve]

Interesting. Just looked up the healer from my last game who only had combatant 1 achievement from like Shadowlands while the other dude was elite every season lol he did well all things considered but it made me curious.

[safe pelican]

Nerf arcane barage ffs , calling it a night good luck with the queues rogue family

[waxen meteor]

I had like almost all 4 melee lobbies

[dark stump]

it's arcane missile interaction that's the problem

[waxen meteor]

Or at least 3 melee

[dark stump]

arcane barrage is only strong if all the condition are met

[waxen meteor]

Gladly haven’t run into a mage yet

Mage tier sets all look the same

Doesn’t want to play it this season

[dark stump]

most mage are in 2s i think

never let one

but elem, evoker and lock

...

[dark stump]

ooh the chicken set ?

[waxen meteor]

It’s funny my second lobby was a melee blend. Ret/War/Monk and Holy priest + Rsham

First round I said go priest cleave, lost just a bit.

[jaunty osprey]

ya, it's just a waste of a catalyst charge

completely

[waxen meteor]

second round prist like you guys noob, go healer is that a 1400 lobby

Then 5th round we one shot him at open pfff

Then i asked who 1400

[potent pivot]

yep

i don't do that shit until we have uncapped currencies and hella charges on my alts

[grave basin]

how do people enjoy 2s man

im playing at only 1900 and im facing the most disgusting rdruid comps

[dark stump]

play double outlaw

[grave basin]

perma kiting

[dark stump]

lock rdruid?

[grave basin]

yea

the lock just plants in the iddle of the map

i cant touch rdruid

[dark stump]

ha i knew it , i had a lock so many time in ss that it make rage just at the sight of him

idk why but this season he feels so hard to kill and catch

[dark stump]

i had a lock yesterday who literally in all game tp los his allies but not his enemies

[grave basin]

actually disgusting

just gate disorient roar perma kiting

[hybrid sapphire]

first rating loss of the season 😖

-1

[spring bough]

evo got nothing on outlaw

[stoic spruce]

anyone know why I cant skip the campaign on my rogue?

[spring bough]

100 mill over second

[elfin grove]

should i pvp as sub or assa?

i wanna try pushing for 2100 in either 2s or 3s and idk what spec to play

[halcyon timber]

Which ever you prefer:]

[elfin grove]

i main assa in pve but i’ve never really pvped its like the one thing in wow ive never done so idk what i prefer

[glass hazel]

if you main assa it will be easier to play assa, since you have to learn how to play sub plus how to play pvp

[exotic dove]

Oh hey the tier conversion Item is back we officially have 3 set again boys well 2 I have gloves and legs at tier need the item conversion to make head tier pvp il

[spring bough]

This games fried when they do shit like that lol

[exotic dove]

well it works out I have four set soon

glad its back

To be fair I only did Vault on my Mythic plus Rogue

which is also my main but still go tlucky

[spring bough]

Praying for hero track tier in vault this week lol

[edgy vine]

Healer in solo is a nightmare rn

Hunter with kick up is standing next to a druid spammin clone

[halcyon timber]

Can do timewalking and go shoot yog for hero track

[halcyon timber]

I had the same mage in 2 lobbies not press ice block 3x. Also had a warlock who wouldn’t cc anything but me and a moonkin who only cloned me. And the 3rd lobby, shit was constantly on DR while a resto druid was /y cc the healer!

Just doesn’t make sense at all.

[silent umbra]

Any advice on comps for 2s as sub?

[edgy vine]

i feel you

Shit rough out here guess tahts why no one runs healer anymore

[edgy vine]

Spriest or mage

been that way for multiple expansions

[grave basin]

2s is so fucking pain

with lfg

[hidden moth]

how do i play rogue?

[edgy vine]

its rough out here as healer

[edgy vine]

Just kill shit

[outer sky]

gotta love placement games

[hidden moth]

assa boomie the move this season?

[outer sky]

idk i just beat a good assa/affi team with it

but its too early to tell

just playing with these guys cuz theyre friends of mine

[pine forge]

yo guys, is there any way to track war crates, timers at least etc

[tight hill]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rdyscratetracker

[pine forge]

tnx

[exotic dove]

Well doesn't matter if I play Assa or Sub I acheived higher last season than I did in Season 1 so I have to pay the Q tax

Im getting tired though so might have to call it and try another time

This is the main Rogue

[analog crater]

Any talent builds sticking out atm? been trying to keep an eye out on different websites but not seeing much

[edgy vine]

Fuck me

got my enchant boys im shelving this fucking healer

[hidden moth]

lol

u hate healin?

[grave basin]

tfw you get GAPPED

[edgy vine]

No one kicks ccs

they can be right ontop of the dude too

even the mage that was on the enemy team the last round said "lol the warrior didnt kick me"

[grave basin]

how does it look?

[edgy vine]

Put it on my rogue

pictures dont do it justic

but it looks dope

[hidden moth]

yaro

thats why i do disc

smeld

death

fade

ez

[grave basin]

First hit after breaking stealth always gives full cp

[severe hazel]

je its premed just figured - ty !

in my head it was still only 2cp

is the icy veins guide fine for blitz / arena builds?

[safe pelican]

It’s 1900 for enchant now ???

[edgy vine]

1950

[safe pelican]

Mid smh everyone gunna have it but im not mad i guess looks dope

[dark stump]

once u reach it u get it ?

[edgy vine]

Yea

[severe hazel]

i just got 250 points from a 3win shuffle is that normal oO

[dark stump]

is it an addon?

[spring bough]

MMR was probably a lot higher than ur rating pretty normal climbing

[severe hazel]

sweet thanks thats a quick 1600 and 2p

do you guys pref double vanish in shuffle or tee?

[dark stump]

do you prefer to survive or do more consistent damage?

[severe hazel]

i find 2x vanish way more comfy just thining about if one is strictly better

[stoic spruce]

Tea should give Outlaw adr

[dark stump]

i think he's assa

[spring bough]

1min adr cool down reduction

[severe hazel]

im talking about sub sry didnt specify

[dark stump]

it's vanish for sub rogue if i'm not wrong

always*

[grave basin]

Sub plays tea generally

Vanish doesn't do much for sub

[dark stump]

rlly ?

i tought it was like shadow danc

[stoic spruce]

rogue is in a weird place atm

anything else connect to vanish and Outlaw will need it's own shadow dance lol

[severe hazel]

i guess vanish can be a mini dance control wise but i like it more as extra defensive maybe im just bad with one vanish tho

[dark kernel]

Subterfuge doesn't have any damage modifiers, so while it lets you use stealth abilities they don't hit for shit

[vocal surge]

I got left alone to fight healer

[dark stump]

he couldn't survive the power of gambling

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-coins-angel-v1-gabriel-gif-13283596541870298018

[grave basin]

That's surely getting nerfed lol

[dark stump]

then abuse it until then

(do not take it out of context)

[vocal surge]

Its not that hard to counter

[grave basin]

You pressed bte one time and shit out 7 coins for 10m

How is that not hard to counter

[vocal surge]

Press defensive, desync Outlaw's CDs

[dark stump]

nah a true arcane mage would blast it to not let anyone take it

[spring bough]

10 milly plus coin damage. Feel like we can 100% do that every stealth adrenaline window with the 7 coin procs in a row

[spring bough]

It is hard to counter for some lol

[spring bough]

No way

[dark kernel]

Ghostly strike + bte 7 coins dann

[spring bough]

If outlaw gets nerfed I’m quitting season 3

Aent no way I’m letting blizz dick us for a whole other season

[tight hill]

calling it outlaw gets nerfed before ret

[spring bough]

Ret does way more damage too

Blizz just hates outlaw for whatever reason

[vocal surge]

^

[spring bough]

Plus ret has what 3 invincible bubbles a 100% heal a stun and a disorient x2 ?

Yeah they are giga broken