pvp

[potent pivot]

that CB change is kinda hot

fatebound coin damage buffed is nice

[dark kernel]

I literally do not count assassination as a spec

What is the current cold blood cool down I don't even know what that does

[exotic dove]

Why?

[potent pivot]

i'm talking about sub but sin is also a legitimate spec

outlaw

[grave basin]

That cold blood change was exactly what whispyr wanted iirc

[potent pivot]

technically sub got a small nerf and a small buff in these notes btw

[grave basin]

It was desyncing with deathmark

[potent pivot]

same as outlaw

[grave basin]

They actually fixed the shadow blades - nimble flurry bug

[potent pivot]

seems like slight AoE nerfs to outlaw/assa, but ST buffs

and the opposite for sub

slight ST nerf/slight AoE buff for sub basically

[potent pivot]

yeah

lingering darkness too

[grave basin]

Coinflips gonna be top damage by mile in pvp

Just cementing fatebound meta

Rip killing spree

[stoic spruce]

Damn

[potent pivot]

can still play KS as fatebound

[stoic spruce]

If only those outlaw buffs meant anything!

[grave basin]

Why would you though

[stoic spruce]

KS will be default next season anyway

It's good am

[potent pivot]

because its likely going to slap

[stoic spruce]

Dam

[potent pivot]

and wtf else are you going to play in place of it

[stoic spruce]

It may not give prio but it'll hit hard

[gleaming sentinel]

im gonna thoo thoo thoo some mf in a bomb

[exotic dove]

So so far from 3ish and 2ish weeks ago these are the buffs for Assa they allowed to go through to pvp. 8% increase to all Assa does. 13% increased Garrote, 4% increased envenom, 8% increase Rupture, Mutilate increase by 11% Ambush by 7% with a 9% nerf to crimson tempest. So far Assa seems to have the biggest buffs going into next season correct if wrong all those I mentioned did not have the "Does not apply to PVP" note next to them

I think Outlaw needs buffs too

like Assa Got

Or is outlaw better than Assa in pve?

[potent pivot]

You have to keep in mind these are buffs in relation to PTR tuning

Not our current Live tuning

[exotic dove]

I know

we dont have them on live

[potent pivot]

No I mean

The tuning of all classes is vastly different on PTR than on live

These buffs are because of under performance based around that

[gleaming sentinel]

current season they are all pretty close no?

[potent pivot]

Ye

They’re almost always very close in pve

Within like 2-4 weeks of season starts

[gleaming pawn]

too bad the small aura buffs don't apply to PvP, but oh well what else is new

[potent pivot]

Outlaw and assa are both great in m+

While sub is a bit lackluster in m+

[gleaming sentinel]

im stuck on outlaw man, idk i really like this spec. cant get into the others

[potent pivot]

I’ve always liked all 3 idk

Feels bad being stuck as a 1 trick

[grave basin]

Big true

Esp on a pure DPS class

[hidden moth]

havok dh./..

forced to 1 trickl

[gleaming pawn]

yeah but that's ok, because fuck DH 😄

there should be a /s there too

[gleaming sentinel]

im digging my playloop of 1 trick for the first part of season pve/pvp and then getting offspec gear later

[grave basin]

I mean that's more so out of not having a choice

Since conq is not uncapped and outlaw requires its own gearset

I mean like hunters who play nothing but BM

Or mages that only play arcane

[gleaming sentinel]

i'll prob have a seccond rogue this season for sub assa

[grave basin]

Idk if I want to focus on keys/1 spec to 2.1 at first

Or 1spec 2.1/ rest to 1.8

And keys way later

Feels like keys way later is just bait since there's no "solo queue" for it and you will have zero io

[gleaming sentinel]

my little heroic dad guild usually only plays til we get aotc then everyone takes a break, so i get a little more pve focused at start. its fun

[grave basin]

Heroic is puggable with the full 18% buff from raid renown?

[jaunty osprey]

the coin buff

is actually huge

might make me want to play it

[grave basin]

Yeaaaaa I was saying

[gleaming pawn]

just push your own keys, making your own group. Trying to full pug keys as a melee dps is cancer

[jaunty osprey]

cause i already started playing it into

certain comps

[grave basin]

For the 4x step?

[jaunty osprey]

no

[grave basin]

Then what's the point

[jaunty osprey]

if they have ways to remove my mark

easily

[gleaming pawn]

the Fatebound - Envenom dream lives another day

[jaunty osprey]

and also i play the cant be slowed below 70% talent

over double step

[grave basin]

You mean with immunities ?

[jaunty osprey]

ya

frost mage hpal teams

i started playing coin

[grave basin]

I'm surprised you managed to dodge mingfan

For your 3k shuff

Apparently he's holding the ladder hostage

[jaunty osprey]

ya

he hasnt been doing it

last night

or tonight

2.8k-3k lobbies

are popping every 10 mins atm

a lot of good streams to watch

https://www.twitch.tv/askronnie
https://www.twitch.tv/montagehpal

https://www.twitch.tv/pelletbrain

[hidden moth]

who tf even are these guys

[gleaming sentinel]

I need dazed to stream

plz dad

[hidden moth]

if it aint pikaboo they are washed

[jaunty osprey]

last 2 are holy paladins

[hidden moth]

XD

[jaunty osprey]

first one is enhancement shaman

[hidden moth]

ew

[grave basin]

Not the case for EU last night

Bicmex was having 1hr queues

[jaunty osprey]

montage is who i got r1 in 3s with last season

was his first r1 3s too

super good to watch, really good healer

[grave basin]

I watch montage play with mvq and insta close the stream

[jaunty osprey]

and he spams shuffles a lot too

oh yeah i dont watch when he queues with mvq

[grave basin]

Idk I CBA to hear mvq bitch and moan

I get he's passionate about winning

But come on he's like trying to be the next bluedrew

YOU GOT TO BE WILLING

TO SHIT GLASS

[hidden moth]

"we need ivanrah in the lobby"

-ask fronny lol

[grave basin]

Like I've seen him create drama in foxys chat

Legit just spam flaming for ages over 1 small misplay

[hidden moth]

who is mvq

[dark kernel]

Okay here's my mini rant about Assassination. I hate Sin as a spec. It's more personal that I don't like the style, but I'm also pissed at Blizzard.

The spec has been pretty much the default pvp spec for Rogues now since Legion. There will be individual small parts of the game where a different spec is better or has a particular use, but it's been the "go to" spec for Glad pushing now for going on a decade.

It's boring, the spec is the least interesting, or it was I think Sub can be pretty boring now too and I just don't like that. We have feral druid already pretty much.

[hidden moth]

The spec has been pretty much the default pvp spec for Rogues now since Legion.
mans forgot sub exists lmfao

assa and feral are very different

feral has good burst where assa is more aoe and cc/control

rogue is like lock

destro=sub aff=assa and demo/ outlaw are kinda just... there

[gleaming pawn]

Outlaw has had several seasons now where it was top or very good as well

[outer sky]

This game is stupid.

[dark kernel]

Nah do not pull that, Sub has not been the default PvP spec for YEARS in Retail

[hidden moth]

logout

just log out

lol

[dark kernel]

THis expansion is like one of the more recent times it's even been hard meta

[hidden moth]

wasnt it meta in df?

@potent pivot input

[gleaming pawn]

Sub has been meta for ages lol

[dark kernel]

it had a small come back after the Season3 mini rework but then was somewhat insta nerfed 2 weeks in

nah you guys arent hearing me or are being obtuse

Im not saying usable

Im not saying viable

I am saying "The default pvp spec"

the spec you use if you want to push to your highest rating

if you want glad

[potent pivot]

ehh

[dark kernel]

you do not use Sub

[hidden moth]

ive always seen that as sub

simply bc

rmp

ez

free claps

[potent pivot]

if you want to say "meta" then no

[acoustic junco]

that cold blood change just makes it disappear after 15 seconds instead of lasting forever

[gleaming pawn]

again, Sub has been that for a long time. Outlaw has been that several times in the last few expansions

[acoustic junco]

IE, no more cold blood hands for mog look

[potent pivot]

because that means you're going off of the greater community perception

[hidden moth]

cd starts the second u press it

[gleaming pawn]

Sin has often had a lower ceiling, because it's squishy as fuck

[potent pivot]

yes but the CD starting insta is great

[dark kernel]

Yeah its not a conversation and Im not continuing because its a stupid one

[gleaming pawn]

I'd say the only way Sin was "default" is it's the easier spec for people new to Rogue to pick up and use

[acoustic junco]

I guess I can see advantages for that

thanks for that insight

100% going to abuse cold blood with outlaw opening killing spree

[gleaming pawn]

it was almost entirely a PvE change, because due to timings and lining shit up, CB got desync'd real bad

*for Sin

[potent pivot]

still means you should be able to squeeze out more CB casts

[acoustic junco]

since the new killing spree works with cold blood

[gleaming pawn]

yeah overall it's a great change, and should have been done ages ago

[potent pivot]

and you better hope you aren't playing FB then

because FB is kinda going to NEED the CB talent that makes it only work on Dispatch

[acoustic junco]

I was worgen trickster when trickster was bad, I'm going to be worgen trickster when it's goood

[potent pivot]

and FB Coin consumes CB if you're not using that talent regardless so

[acoustic junco]

I hate fatebound

[dark kernel]

I'm going to need an update from our resident Rogue PTR people @spring bough and @vocal surge

[vocal surge]

They changed it already

with Inevitable Demise, Cold Blood only works with Dispatch

[outer sky]

I somehow went 4-2

[spring bough]

Haven’t been on the PTR just waiting for live it’s close lol

[potent pivot]

thats what i was saying?

wasn't it

[vocal surge]

Aye, was reinforcing in

[potent pivot]

ahh

what'd they change

coin consuming?

[vocal surge]

You can get Lucky Coin on your first finisher

[potent pivot]

huh

[dark kernel]

So let me get this straight with the coin stuff. It seems you can get insane damage, but you have to use dispatch only, it doesn't proc from crackshot dispatch. But at the same time, you would then lose the opportunity for back to back Ace up your sleeves prop by using only dispatch

[vocal surge]

Cheap Shot --> Adrenaline Rush (+2/+2) Coins + Ghostly Strike (+2/+2) + Ambush or Sinister Strike (HO vs KIR) --> Dispatch +1 of any coin + 2 from Double Jeopardy (same face as the +1)

[spring bough]

Trickz was saying if you dont take inevitable the coin will consume cold blood. Did they fix that?

[grave basin]

Outlaw was OMEGA FUVKING BUSTED

In Shadowlands

[vocal surge]

Lemme check

[grave basin]

Which wasn't that long ago

[potent pivot]

no

the dispatch only thing is just for inevitable end's cold blood usage

[spring bough]

I wonder if a trickster build with cold blood could work

Get some fat KS if it’s not CCd

[dark kernel]

That's actually what I'm looking at

[dark kernel]

Ah

[gleaming pawn]

what would you use CB with as Trickster, Killing Spree?

[potent pivot]

yh

[gleaming pawn]

because I would assume it doesn't cause every tick of it to crit

[potent pivot]

it does

[acoustic junco]

every tick crits

[potent pivot]

at least with current live KS

dunno about new KS but prolly the same

[gleaming pawn]

oh wow, that's a crazy interaction lol

[acoustic junco]

live killing spree does not crit every tick

[gleaming sentinel]

[grave basin]

This

[vocal surge]

Yeah, its still trash without Inevitable Demise

Even Main Gauche ate it

[grave basin]

I've tested it quite a few times early season

CB doesn't make every tick crit

[acoustic junco]

just play some big pistol with trickster killing spree

[grave basin]

Or.... Hear me out.. FB no killing spree and press W

[balmy shuttle]

Crit chance is high enough for 40-60% of your KS to be a crit w/o CB. I dont think CB is worth it.

[grave basin]

Reject channels embrace the W

[potent pivot]

yes it does

?

[vocal surge]

I think Killing Spree strong enough to be justified on Fatebound

You're able to stack enough coins to give Killing Spree a whopping 40% damage increase

[grave basin]

Disarm

Coil

Scatter

[vocal surge]

Doesn't matter

[grave basin]

Every piss

[potent pivot]

?

[vocal surge]

One lucky Killing Spree can flip an entire match on its head

[grave basin]

When I tried it on PvP dummy not every tick crit

But that was a few months ago

[potent pivot]

did something wrong

like maybe you were FB

[grave basin]

Yea I was

[potent pivot]

when you cast KS you proc Coin

[grave basin]

Fb was meta back then

[potent pivot]

Coin consumes CB

[grave basin]

No fukin way

[balmy shuttle]

Yep

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[acoustic junco]

oh shit

[potent pivot]

ya thats what this whole conversation was about

[vocal surge]

Main Gauche can also eat Cold Blood

[acoustic junco]

they fixed that then with cold blood killing spree

main gauche can't eat cold blood

[potent pivot]

fixed what

[balmy shuttle]

I dont think it can? Tested it yesterday on ptr

[acoustic junco]

previous versions of killing spree did not work with cold blood

[vocal surge]

Its probably my crit chance

[potent pivot]

ohhh

ye

[acoustic junco]

I just tried on live as well. it does work

[vocal surge]

Bruh

That DIspatch had max combo points

AND cold blood

no crit

[acoustic junco]

are you fatebound

[grave basin]

Can you go to ptf if you have it

Ptr

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[grave basin]

Someone test KS on a player

[spring bough]

Retail rogue dmg looking like MOP

[vocal surge]

It proc'd the Head Coin

[grave basin]

How much does it do

[vocal surge]

Who online?

for da KS damage test

[grave basin]

It's gotten buffed so many times lately

[spring bough]

One max KS was doing like 13mil last time I was on PTR

[gleaming sentinel]

Are we back boys

[grave basin]

On a player or 5target

[spring bough]

A player in a duel

[grave basin]

[jolly sierra]

i am bored

[vocal surge]

Me n VanCleef duel'd in the PTR not that long ago

[balmy shuttle]

10-14mil on dummy with new gear (before todays buff) Haven't tested on players.

[spring bough]

One good Kidney smoke with a max KS is probably GG

[jolly sierra]

how funny

[grave basin]

Do you still channel if you get knocked

[spring bough]

Wasn’t that before the 10% overall inc too?

[grave basin]

Cause you can move right

[vocal surge]

Yeah

That was before the 10% overall

[spring bough]

Not sure

Prob cancelled

[vocal surge]

Before, it was possible to hit almost 16M damage on a full Killing Spree

Now its 18M

Thats without external modifies, just raw tooltip damage

[balmy shuttle]

With the 15% buff for sure

[spring bough]

Smoke bomb gonna have all the alarms blaring this season 😂

I can’t wait to play and know I can take someone out in a stun or a bomb that easy

[dark kernel]

Double outlaw is back

Double KS in bomb

[spring bough]

Double KS in a bomb would be nuts lol

[stoic spruce]

They'll just aoe cc you out of it

[gleaming pawn]

KS definitely eating a nerf early with those numbers

[spring bough]

I’m about to run aoe blind to fk outlaw with a nice micro CC and rage bait with it

[dark kernel]

Then you farm it again in a minute and half and do it with bomb 2

[balmy shuttle]

Dont forget. It also cleaves with BF

[stoic spruce]

Gonna have to run pc

[balmy shuttle]

Fearing that as well

[spring bough]

I hope trickster ST up there with fatebound ST

[vocal surge]

This is with full Gladiator gear

[spring bough]

Probably still playing trickster mostly tbh even if fate is decently better

[vocal surge]

ilvl 723 with 4/4 Sudden Eclipse

[gleaming pawn]

best case scenario, KS doesn't get itself and maybe even Outlaw nerfed until the AWC

but if it's killing people in a bomb, Blizzard doesn't like that

[devout meadow]

hello im not good at pvp but i want to unlock pvp artifacts appeareances, any good way to grind honor?

[potent pivot]

just do regular BGs and keep an eye out for the Comp Stomp brawl

[vocal surge]

The only thing is

Killing Spree is extremely easy to counter

any disarm or micro CC is enough to shut it down

[stoic spruce]

That won't be taken into account

Unfort

[vocal surge]

If anything

Fatebound Tail coins are gonna absolutely pop off

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats where the dmg is

[vocal surge]

Each one of those can easily hit for 2M - 3M damage

The 18M Killing Spree is the direct opposite of Tails

where 2M - 3M coins require +20 stacks of Tail Coins, 18M Killing Spree requires +20 stacks of Head Coins

The other thing to note

Unlike Killing Spree where the damage is done over 2s - 4s depending on your haste

Fatebound Coin: Tails can be lined up to deal a 1 shot

To give you an idea

[gleaming pawn]

really wont matter, if Killing Spree is killing people 100-0 in a stun in a bomb, it will get nerfed

they have stated several times how they hate that style of play

[vocal surge]

That's peanuts compare to Tails thou

Tails doesn't need a bomb setup

You just straight line up CDs

and send

100 - 0 in less than 1/5 of a second

[gleaming pawn]

which will also end up getting nerfed

the Fatebound buffs for Sin from the PvE side, for anyone interested. The single target dream might really come true

[dark kernel]

Where can I find specifics on doing this? Like is there a coin manipulation strategy

[stoic spruce]

you literally shit out coins

its infinite

[vocal surge]

With S3 set bonus, you print coins

[stoic spruce]

I hit the dummy for 2 minutes and had 76 coins

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-kill-ultrakill-hollow-purple-purple-machine-gif-7602302789684526343

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/toss-coin-flip-gif-4974804831420211918

[stoic spruce]

where we dropping boys

[dark kernel]

when you guys are running Coldblood

are you removing Deeper Strat I assume?

or possible single vanish...

[dark kernel]

No super charger hmmm

Killing Spree no pre-buffs does about 5Mil

[vocal surge]

you on PTR?

[dark kernel]

yeah but not for long

im so tired

[vocal surge]

Headin' over to ya lol

Server?

[dark kernel]

Raszageth I guess

[acoustic junco]

you don't want to supercharger it honestly. it's an extra .8-1 second duration

[gleaming sentinel]

cookin

[vocal surge]

Aye

[stoic spruce]

I see this talent and hater mode gets engaged

[vocal surge]

xD

[stoic spruce]

this talent singlehandledly caused me more grief than any talent or bug outlaw has ever had

no cap

frfr

im downplaying it but its been rough since

[gleaming pawn]

that talent is what made me quit Outlaw

got so tired of the rng

[stoic spruce]

it made me rage quit this server for a night lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I should probably read what they all do

[stoic spruce]

that would be a great sstart

I'd play cold blood over uhuh if I had the chance

[grave basin]

uhuh is literally the entire gameplay loop atm

[gleaming sentinel]

Hunting for bomb cold blood killing sprees sounds like incredibly fun gameplay

[stoic spruce]

NO WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I HAD NO IDEAAAAAAAAA

THATS CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[grave basin]

yea

the more you know

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot DID YO8U KNOW THIS??????????

HOLY SHMOLY

[grave basin]

shmoly moly

[grave basin]

honestly the long ass channel feels really bad with supercharger

idk just breaks the flow of the spec

what can i say, i hope gamba is meta with no spree

just pure brawlin

[stoic spruce]

considering nothing else does reliable dmg beside ks and coins, you may be unhappy

[grave basin]

coins are based

[gleaming sentinel]

Fatebound spree enjoyer

[gleaming pawn]

that's ok, Azliey will join me in coins based fun as Assa

[stoic spruce]

I bet trickster wont get any play at all lol

this is petty

but

I cant wait for next season

just so I can not play outlaw in pvp

its very cathartic

[vocal surge]

Face me in PTR 🙂

[stoic spruce]

why? youll win

I would rather dual with tanks

catch me in 11.2.7 with mythic track pve gear

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-coins-angel-v1-gabriel-gif-13283596541870298018

[severe helm]

Same

Partly cuz double grapple

But also cuz KS hits random targets now

So it's useless in pvpn

Unless someone is miraculously isolated

But so many specs have random pets and shit

It's gonna do nothing

[stoic spruce]

youre not gonna not run it though. All you have left is coins

your bte crit is my clawing shadows normal

[severe helm]

I'm agreeing with you that trickster is dead

[stoic spruce]

yeah I know

[severe helm]

Outlaws dead forever though if they keep the restless blades nerf imo

[stoic spruce]

im just saying that ks will still probably be played

[severe helm]

Oh

[stoic spruce]

yeah for sure

[severe helm]

What for?

It doesn't break root

[stoic spruce]

actually outlaw has been buffed a lot so nvm

[severe helm]

And it won't even hit your kill target haha

It'll do less damage to kill target than a raw dispatch rofl

[stoic spruce]

does it hit pets?

[grave basin]

for sure it will

[stoic spruce]

its gotta

[grave basin]

it would be weird if it didnt

it's not a prio ability so it would

[stoic spruce]

it does flurry though

[vocal surge]

Killing Spree + Blade Flurry is kind of a death sentence for a team thou

[grave basin]

flurry has been nerfed twice now

30 to 25 to 20

[stoic spruce]

the 25 to 20 only applies to trickster

[vocal surge]

^

[stoic spruce]

which wont be ran

[grave basin]

oo true actually

nimble flurry got nerfed to 20 not blade flurry

[vocal surge]

Ye

[stoic spruce]

could you imagine?

theyd slowmode until the end of time

[grave basin]

nimble flurry is just lazy design though

[stoic spruce]

it really is

[grave basin]

haha splash damage haha

[stoic spruce]

come on midnight

Killing Floor 3 is my midnight waiting room

[vocal surge]

Survival Hunter does 60% of my hp

[stoic spruce]

lowkey might not play this season. Rogue mog blows

[vocal surge]

in 2 smacks

xD

[stoic spruce]

nvm

im dusting off my surv

[grave basin]

Ayo

[grave basin]

can you help me see how much the stampede does

on a player

cause that set bonus is fucking cracked in m+

[grave basin]

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

how much was that global as a % of your hp

[vocal surge]

Flanking Strike?

33% of my HP

[grave basin]

cause he spearheaded coordinated kill commanded into flanking

[vocal surge]

If that was a different class

It's easy 50%

[grave basin]

i mean that's p good

how about the bombs from sentinel

[stoic spruce]

I think its crazy

how

surv is very strong very often

but no one knows

because

where tf are they?

lol

no ones playing that spec

[vocal surge]

As in Wildfire Bombs?

[grave basin]

wildfire bombs turn into shadow damage or something

like they get juiced up

[vocal surge]

Its roughly 2M

if I recall

[grave basin]

when the 4pc procs

[vocal surge]

but that was from Bic's Surv Hunter

Im in the PTR if you need to test

[grave basin]

im at work 😭

[vocal surge]

F

Survival vs Outlaw is always a close fight still

lol

Even when fighting a juiced up Surv Hunter

[grave basin]

sv should win all things equal

esp with mending bandage

you have no way to stop it if he turtle mending

no dots to break it

mending - disarm - feign talent and i dont see how sv loses

[stoic spruce]

...

[vocal surge]

You overvalue Mending Bandages

[severe helm]

lol not really

[vocal surge]

in Outlaw vs Survival

[severe helm]

yeah bf has been heavily nerfed

also ks is interruptible now

so

[vocal surge]

Technically its always been interruptible

just that its leagues easier now

[stoic spruce]

now it

just makes me quit outlaw pvp

and keep my pve ppants on

infinite micro ccs were detrimental already

[grave basin]

Imagine not sticking to your dying spec through thick and thin

Smh my headset

[stoic spruce]

oh I do

but im too competitive to stick to it in pvp

[grave basin]

Outlaw x frost dk enjoyer

[vocal surge]

Atleast it isn't like MM Hunter

[stoic spruce]

outlaw x Unholy enjoyer

[vocal surge]

that can 1 shot Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

"everybody get in a line, im low on bullets"

[vocal surge]

MM Hunters casually bleeding people for 1M

Aimed Shots going for 6M

Was doing 14M DPS on just the opener

[severe helm]

lol tru

[vocal surge]

But ye, even if your hitting random targets in an 8yd radius, Blade Flurry will still do 45% of the ST done by KS to the Off target

[severe helm]

yeah but that makes it less damage than current ks

which isnt exactly a scary button as is

could be fun in bgs though

[vocal surge]

Yee

[modest zinc]

if I wanted to crack a bear druid hard and kill them, what talents would you run?

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/kalvish/clip/GeniusMotionlessPresidentResidentSleeper-WLmVOuoVvhn6ifJN

[grave basin]

You run away

[grave basin]

Outplayed

[dark kernel]

You guys ever get hard stuck rating because you're so sleepy deprived holding a baby at 1am because they had to wake up to fart.

Same

[stoic spruce]

Yea but instead of a baby it's my hog

[grave basin]

I never queue past 1am

Learnt my lesson

[severe helm]

why in the world would you queue while holding a baby

[stoic spruce]

squeezes the baby head like a stress ball lol

https://tenor.com/view/stress-pete-overweight-toy-panic-gif-13336231

Slit's baby rn

eyes pop out like tom and jerry cartoons

[grave basin]

Usually babies wake up every 2-3 hours so you can get 2 or 3 shuffle in that time then just hit the sack

[hollow carbon]

But with Babies there is no „usually“ anymore 🫠

[grave basin]

Babies are surprisingly predictable

I guess I'm generalising

But if yours wakes up at non predictable times then my condolences

[cyan shore]

Yes and yes. Know the feeling bro

[hollow carbon]

Agreed, the exception proves the rule

[ocean wharf]

eyo anyone can teach me how to play rogue sub in pvp ?

im french

[narrow basalt]

yo guys got a question, im just starting to pvp, so i saw on murlok.io that bis gear is tier set from raid, but if i buy the conquest gear, and i convert it to tier set, do i keep de effect that on arenas and bgs the item gets to 684?

[lilac sigil]

Yes, it will keep pvp scaling

[narrow basalt]

oh k k

ty

[jolly sierra]

if you are the sub

you will always win in even conditions in dueling

[grave basin]

equal skill and gear

i just wanna get

1800 on this guy man

[jolly sierra]

this, lit

sub

1v1 always sub

assa is better for not coordinated pvp in stuff like shuffle or blitz

[spring bough]

Boys…. I had 11milly tokens on a memecoin last week… went below 100k mkt cap and I sold…. Coin was at $4mil market cap the other day which woulda been $40k…. What a fk up 😭

[grave basin]

coulda used that money to bribe ion to give outlaw some love

smh

[grave basin]

what a joke spec lol

1800 done

[spring bough]

DH was the fastest 1800 I had out of any class all season was about the same like 5-6 ques and that was it 😂

2100 took like 10 ques 😂

[grave basin]

Actually insane spec

Barely anyone targeted me

Didn't die a single time in any lobby

Glimpse blur nether glimpse blur dark

Are you using rupture alot

Alot of sub dam is pad with spread ruptures

[potent pivot]

That doesn’t matter as much anymore

They nerfed all the modifiers

[grave basin]

one of the lobbies was ele/rsham/mage on the new map

and i got knocked so many fucking times

on any other class i would have lost my mind

on DH.. double jump

back up

[potent pivot]

Like in s1 we used to rupture once during dance to line up darkest night evis with a finality evis, that isn’t really worth now

Should still spread ruptures especially outside of dance but yeh

[spring bough]

Vengeful retreat into felblade macro is 10/10

[grave basin]

im so edgy

i dont even have optimised gear or 4 set

just w/e i got from boxes

[dark kernel]

DH live is straight ez mode.

If I touch that class I know.

[grave basin]

now i wanna play it srs for next season

with those INSANE red glaives

[dark kernel]

To use the warglave mog on demon Hunter, you don't have to find the glaze on a demon hunter right, you just have to find the both on one single character

Glaive*

To get the achievement

[hidden moth]

U must have both glaive on a character that can equip them

U then get the achievement for having them

THEN u go to black temple time walking raid and kill illidan there.

YOU MUST BE ON A DH FOR THE LAST STEP

Also farming glaives on dh is a lot easier as u can skip most of the bosses

[dark kernel]

I've been wanting to level my demon hunter and my warrior. I have one glave on my rogue

[hidden moth]

Dh kills 1st second, skips 3rd, 4th , 5th 6th boss and all the running between, kills 7th 8th 9th for illidan kill

Vs having to run the whole fucking raid

[dark kernel]

Oh wow I didn't know that.

[hidden moth]

There is a jump u can do as dh to just wall climb and skip it all lol

I have a video of me doing it somewhere in this chat

[dark kernel]

Farm a little bit my free time, but I don't have much. I also got five out of eight bone scythe

[hidden moth]

From og or wotlk naxx

[dark kernel]

Og

[hidden moth]

Noice

[dark kernel]

I haven't seen the last three pieces in the black market auction house in a hot minute

I can technically make them with gold, if I wanted to throw down 1.5 million

[hidden moth]

Cheap

lol

Ur gonna ss then what?

They are gone bro

U hit them once now ur rooted stunned, they blinked away etc

Can’t expect to kill something that’s not locked down

Also u don’t rupture during burst

[dark kernel]

Astrium your not necessarily wrong.

But you usually only rupture open like in the absolute beginning of the game. You don't have to do the rupture every time you have dance up

That opening was/is common to line up darkest night perfectly with eviscerate, but it's not as important now

No that's about normal

It hits for more with like, shadow blades damage included and stuff.

Like big eviscerates are around 3M but that's with the shadow added in and stuff

With dance. Or else your missing some damage

So here's like a hypothetical perfect opener vs an AFK target or in arena

ss> rupture>dance/symb/blades> Cs> eviscerate> SS> sec tech> 2nd symbols+ CS> eviscerate> cs eviscerate

You use 2 symbols to get 4 empowered finishers

And you get a big eviscerate

Easily will do like 15 mil

[potent pivot]

read what i replied to you

10 minutes ago

:d

[dark kernel]

It works in arena too, but the whole rational behind opening with just SS rupture is you're purposefully giving the target an opportunity to stop you so that you can be out on DRs or they get to skittish and use a defensive early

[potent pivot]

ic

[dark kernel]

Are you adding in the modified damage from blades? It doesn't show as eviscerate on details

I also don't know what build your on.

You can add in flag, I forgot you're running that

You would typically pop it right before you pop the first cheap shot

Deeper daggers is fine but at this juncture I doubt there's a reason not to run flag. Even if people send defensives or work to stop you, if you haven't sent blades yet it gives you another go

I also have seen people separate flag and shadow blades to have 2 gos and that's been pretty nasty too

[dark kernel]

@stoic spruce @gleaming sentinel @spring bough supatease has started his outlaw to 2400 and he is having a rough time at 1900

[gleaming sentinel]

im pushing rn too

[stoic spruce]

Bros on the potty

[gleaming sentinel]

not giving up, 2.4 shuff is in sight!

[hidden moth]

u guys got it

And if u cant believe in yourself

believe in me

[dark kernel]

Good luck to us both.

[hidden moth]

beleive in the me that believes in you and you shall succeed

[dark kernel]

I've got to do 2200 to 2400 again and man I'm not confident

[gleaming sentinel]

2260 -> 2400 i can do it, i feel sharp today

[dark kernel]

I'll be on tonight so stay out of my range lmao

[exotic dove]

official patch notes are out

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ghosts-of-karesh-official-patch-notes-377966

Think Assa got the biggest buffs

not sure on outlaw you guys will have to inform me

[dark stump]

pvp too or pve only ?

[exotic dove]

Those assa buffs have nothing stopping it from going to pvp like the Sub ones

[hidden moth]

yeah but new tier sets

and reworks

the buffs could be bc assa was falling off ngl

[potent pivot]

Pretty much

At least on the pve side it seemed pretty undertuned on PTR

[exotic dove]

Well Rip then looks like another season of 2400 pretty much being in the top 1% range for Assa

lol

For shuffle

[hidden moth]

lol

whats weird is i feel like im actually just dog shit at the game and its like "top 1%"

i got alot of improvement to do

[exotic dove]

There always will be room for improvement imo I hit 2400 as well on Assa with four rogues and I never stop looking to improve

Sub I got to 2355 but I am burned out

Playing Assa I felt like I super sweated more this season than I did when I hit 2400 last season with it

in shuffle

[dark kernel]

Watching supatease get to 2100 outlaw and then that response.

Felt so satisfying

[vocal surge]

What he say?

[dark kernel]

He just got frustrated right around 2100, had a really rough lobby where he eked out at 2:4 and then logged on his mistweaver and then got tilted at that and logged off his stream

Right before that match he said I don't think outlaws bad I just don't think people are playing it.

Very first round of the next lobby, who are we hitting are we even hitting the same person, oh we are we just aren't doing any damage

[vocal surge]

Self denial already

[exotic dove]

He lost power

in a thunderstorm on MW

Supatease let his mods know and they said it in chat

[hidden moth]

buff uh dk

[grave basin]

watching back streamers play outlaw is so sad

it was the same with trille

they keep trying to play outlaw like sub rogue

vanish with no adr up just cause stun dr is over then "Where muh damage??"

why i no do damage??????????

[dark kernel]

lmao, i will be honest I do this occasionally depending on how close I am to another vanish CDR etc. Not often, but it also helps farm cooldowns some with energizer

[grave basin]

wwzd

what would zac do

pretend it';s m+ brother just do dam

there was a video i saw on skill capped

top players do like 20% more dam than mid players

ofc there's WAY more to win than just pure dam

but by JUST DOING MORE DAM

you increase your odds of winning no matter what

[dark kernel]

thats kind of one of the things, you can theoretically on most classes get 2400 by perfectly doing damage

That really, really seems like RNG with outlaw because being micro CC'd/disarmed, etc. really affects both your offense and defense a lot

i've had some lobbies where I try just balls to the wall pumping on whatever I can touch, and it works great, I have other lobbies where Im not touching anyone for 30 seconds

Ultimately, yes you can get really far and even your goal. But truthfully if you want to "git gud" it's playing ten thousand games and learning the actual win condition and strategy for every matchup imagineable, which is real hard for shuffle

[grave basin]

well yea this game is all about mechanical knowledge

youre capped by GCD so it's not like starcraft

difference between peons like us and whaaz

is how he can absorb so much knowledge on the screen at once

all the buffs/debuffs/DRs/positioning and personals

there's also an ebb and flow at high games where you can "expect" certain trades and just follow the script

it's like whaaz complaining on "low mmr (2700 for him)" where someone doesnt INSTANTLY dispel his root on his blades go and he starts malding

cause he's so used to playing with lontar or mehh

[hidden moth]

except for dh

[grave basin]

yea i remember that part

lol

[hidden moth]

skill cap stated a few times that dh at 1600 and dh in 2600 do about the same dps

[grave basin]

but tbf that was last expac

[hidden moth]

its how they time their cc etc

[grave basin]

before hero talents

[hidden moth]

ya

cant wait for ar havok

[grave basin]

AR might skew that abit

[hidden moth]

in s3

reaver glaive chaos strike

[grave basin]

20 second eye beam feels insane too

[hidden moth]

beam, break, dance + insane extra fucking slashes good god, meta dance chaos strike eyeb eam

[hidden moth]

gotta get it to 20

[grave basin]

yea it ramps quite fast

[hidden moth]

40 second -5 sec per stack u spawn with 1 stack and get another per eyebeam

ya

bc u eye beam into meta eye beam in opener giving u the 2nd and 3rd stack

well beam into meta then another beam soon after

[grave basin]

that is indeed true

but if you never played m+ or pve

you wont do that

and youll do significally less damage

youll tihnk that you want to go through your entire demonic then meta

true or true

[hidden moth]

depenmds

on if u watched a guide or even looked at wowhead lol

if ur taking a spec into ranked u should do some reasearch first

[grave basin]

youll be surprised

actually you shouldnt be since you played your alts to 1.8

how people just have no clue

not every1 wants to min max

[hidden moth]

people are actually dog shit sub 2.3k and i want to kill myself every time a mage dies without using blokc

i forgot how bad itw as

[hidden moth]

doing a rotation properly isnt min max

some rotations there is min maxy shit im not saying there isnt

[grave basin]

AR dh is the definition of min maxy shit

there's like a 20step sequence

[hidden moth]

like going into a decree with 5x souls so u can spb spb back to back

[hidden moth]

not really

u wanna go try playing ninja on ff14?

[grave basin]

never played ff14

[hidden moth]

u get even and odd burst windows as ur cds are all on 1 and 2 min mostly

[grave basin]

im talking about sub rogues that dont press rupture kinda deal

[hidden moth]

and ur opener is like a 70 key stroke go

[grave basin]

or mages that dont press ffb

[hidden moth]

ffb?

[grave basin]

frost fire bolt

[hidden moth]

ah

lol

i mean sure

but i got buddys who legit say

[grave basin]

like fundamentally wrong shit

[hidden moth]

trying to do a rotation properly is min max sweaty

like bro ur on bm hunter

and ur letting barb shot stacks fall off stfu

and do ur rotation properly, its not min max XD

[grave basin]

i mean there are people that think tracking ANYthing on a WA is too sweaty

[hidden moth]

outlaw feral arms and a uh walk into a bar

[grave basin]

who's that outlaw

reveal yourself

there's only 12 of you

[hidden moth]

Enjoy

its 1900

lol

[grave basin]

yikes

[outer sky]

Wtf id kill for that lobby

6-0 that shit

[grave basin]

press abom

it goes on the healer

[hidden moth]

as a uh dk?

[grave basin]

that looks like an insane outlaw lobby

[outer sky]

As an assa rogue

[hidden moth]

oh ik

[outer sky]

I would own that lobby so hard

[grave basin]

blade flurry goes brr

[hidden moth]

ya

but he is still lowest dps

i jkust got ran throguh by arms outlaw

reeeeeeee

[grave basin]

uh dk

[hidden moth]

fuckingf 0 defensives against phys dam

[grave basin]

is piss to cleaves

you have bloodforged armor

[jolly bear]

what do you guys use to track DRs?

[hidden moth]

im using it

lol

[grave basin]

gladius?

[hidden moth]

round 4 inc

ffs

[grave basin]

enjoy is enjoying

[jolly bear]

for nameplates, not just unitframes mb

[hidden moth]

i hate melee as a uh dk

[grave basin]

you mean to hook DRs to the nameplate?

you can use weak auras for that

[hidden moth]

i use diminish and kui

[jolly bear]

diminish doesnt work for me, like it displays but if i touch it at all my entire UI freaks out with lua error spam

[hidden moth]

TOOK IT

TOOK HIS 6-0

[grave basin]

no idea as i play with only gladius and bigdebuffs mostly

[hidden moth]

lil fuckin outlaw chud

ez

lolol

peep this 0 chants dog shit ass gear 3/4 set lmfaooo

[hidden moth]

hes heated, shadowmelded as he went to kidney, dude kidneyed a random apoc ghoul XD

[grave basin]

looks like my dh

are you gonna push on that guy or what

[hidden moth]

no lmfao

[gleaming sentinel]

almost there boys

2 good lobbies

[hidden moth]

leggooo

[exotic dove]

Well Guys if I dont end up finding time for the rest of the season I gave it my all. 2367 as Sub for my highest but all my Rogues made 2300+ as sub. Assa HIghest 2422 with all pretty much 2401-2422. Did better than I thought this season especially since I had a goal for sub to get to 2200 and I overachieved on that. Having two accounts and having one in Q when I was in a lobby on the other definitely made me able to play more games though so I will continue that next season. Thanks for all allowing me to vent frustrations and chill in here. Another 2400 down on my favorite class

Hope everyone achieves their goals and here is to next season

Got some plans but maybe I can make tiem to get sub to 2400 too

[grave basin]

2360 on my SV hunter and 2400 on my WW so far as a dad gamer

i think im pretty happy overall

there's still time for 2400 sv though im trying this friday/sat

[exotic dove]

Go for it

[hidden moth]

Gg lads

2500 bgb and shuffle peak

Top 50 assa rogue shuffle peak

Legend

Aotc

[exotic dove]

Im kind of bummed on my end cause I had a high chance to 6-0 the lobby this healer left in round 3 so I went from 2355-2367 while my mmr went up to 2590

:/

[hidden moth]

3k io

[exotic dove]

Ill try to make time to try again

[hidden moth]

13 1800 sets

Gg season 2 war within

[exotic dove]

Oh yeah mythic plus I only went to 2579 io but still proud of what I did this season

Only other class I get elite set on was Hunter

[gleaming sentinel]

We still have a couple more days tho?

[exotic dove]

I have plans that were set way back

so I might not have time to do the last couple days

I might be able to squeeze a lobby in or two for shuffle

but not sure

[grave basin]

inflation so high rn that you can easily get 1800 sets

like in <10 lobbies

mmr is so juiced

[exotic dove]

oh yeah im not after elite sets though

[grave basin]

you gain 400-500 per lob

[exotic dove]

Was trying to get sub to 2.4 as well if I was after 1800 for more classes I would have that done already

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh man even dazed is playing sub now

:/

[grave basin]

Isn't he R1 outlaw already

No reason to play outlaw when he's alrdy locked in

For the R1 spot

[gleaming sentinel]

Saying for 3s

[grave basin]

Why would he grief his team to play outlaw

[hidden moth]

Depends on the lobbies

[gleaming sentinel]

[hidden moth]

Half the ones I have done have been 6-0 healer lobby’s

[grave basin]

Healer diff lobbies

[hidden moth]

On god it’s a bunch of r druids “I can’t keep up on healing” meanwhile they have 0 clones

If u clone they don’t do damage for 5 whole seconds

[grave basin]

Actual healer diff lobbies suck but atleast you go 3 3

It's those healer diff lobbies where someone screws up

That healer gets 1 5 and you go 2 4

[potent pivot]

trying to track DRs on nameplates is always kind of an uphill battle

no one really properly upkeeps anything pubicly available for it

[jolly bear]

dang okay

[waxen meteor]

Is the resource bar missing buff monitor thing fixed?

@potent pivot

seems months passed since the issue occured..

[potent pivot]

i think so? not sure as i don't use it myself

[waxen meteor]

seems not..

[potent pivot]

welp

dunno

[hidden moth]

Diminish works fine for name plate drs …

[potent pivot]

in my experience, it never has

i've tried to make it work like 6 different seasons and it just never works properly

[jolly sierra]

the lean emote is funny af, my panda does faces w it lol

[grave basin]

panda Dh when

[verbal field]

guys is win trading increased at the end of the season?

[grave basin]

yes, at the top of the ladder

[gusty hedge]

#pvp message

[grave basin]

i actually missed that msg, gonna try and use this WA

when i get back home

manually looking over at gladius has to be slower than just looking at nameplates

[dark stump]

even in low cr i got like 5-6 of them raging about me (mage) not interrupting their stun while i'm busy interrupting the other stuning and trying to do damage

[stoic spruce]

I just thought about it

What if they just gave everyone new artifact abilities in legion remix?

That would solve literally everything related to the artifact abilities

[gusty hedge]

only WA i havent had any issues with

[hard compass]

got /w from a healer after a lobby and it wasn't flame

actively complimentary in fact, I'm struggling to believe it

im so coded to toxicity in this game now lmao

[hidden moth]

I’ll send u my settings when I get home

[hidden moth]

U got kick and poly and some other stuff

He is cloning my healer, shimmer db

[hidden moth]

It’s rare but it’s nice

I try to compliment people but same time

[dark kernel]

Classic WoW cosmetics are being tested to roll to retail

Meaning challenge mode and elite pvp appearances

[spring bough]

Yall ever drink so much the night before your entire life feels like a haze. Damn work happy hour 😂

[spring bough]

Damn shoulda kept my account with my classic mogs 😭

We about to see a ton of corrupted ashbringers

[vocal surge]

^

[dark kernel]

MoP era slit is a go, my whole guild is already there

[stoic spruce]

They'll do that but won't give us mage tower

[dark kernel]

I mean...if legion classic was a thing maybe they would but it won't be a thing.

[stoic spruce]

They do ask this every time a classic is released

So this could mean nothing

[dark kernel]

Its been touched on as a topic before, but really this kind of was expected.

Nobody anticipated classic going to MoP. Nobody thought it would be active 6 to 7 years after it started.

Very shortly people will have had these characters for 1/3rd the time that WoW has been out. That's not a small investment and eventually a push shove conversation about what those characters do was going to come up.

Do they just sit in classic purgatory?

[stoic spruce]

All that time and we're already at mop

They should totally keep going

[hidden moth]

Yes

Besides mop isn’t the end of classic

They gonna go to legion

[orchid plinth]

WoD Classic

[hidden moth]

If it survived cata it can survive wod

[dark kernel]

There is no way it goes to legion and I would be so confused why

Legion is literally modern wow

Even in 3 years, legion will be modern wow

[stoic spruce]

How?

M+ doesn't equal modern wow

You could change talents during a M+ run

Really the only thing the same is the concept of M+

Talent layout is different, design philosophies are different, I could go on tbh

[gleaming pawn]

People would only be interested in a Classic Legion for the story, everything else is just a proto form of modern WoW

And fuck artifact power coming back around

[dark kernel]

I don't personally see Legion as anything classic, and beyond you personally just wanting to do it again I don't know

[stoic spruce]

If legion were to be a thing, we know theyd change a lot anyway.

[dark kernel]

I don't think we should have had Cata or MoP either tbh

And I don't see them doing WoD at all

We know for a fact half the WoD expansion was gutted for legion content

[stoic spruce]

They'd def streamline it like they did cata

[dark kernel]

I'm pretty sure MoP is on an accelerated 1 year time too

MoP raids are turbo doodoo

[stoic spruce]

Mogs suck too lowkey

Ngl

Like the challenge mode sets

Tbh

Farming is the best mop content

The dungeons were good. I lied.

I want wod for the combo point change

And legion because legion

Played legion day 1

Should just skip wod

[dark kernel]

The rogue challenge mod set is good

[jolly sierra]

yes, i regret fully being unwilling to pick it when i had the chance to (i have the lock CM)

[grave basin]

1

any idea why

@hidden moth

[spring bough]

but but dreadblades

[stoic spruce]

@jolly sierra the weird wardrobe prompt will be the death of me

[hidden moth]

No new talent system no hero talents and tbh legion was the peak expac

Like wotlk was good

Mop good

But legion is just peak bro

People who missed it will want to experience it just like classic.

[hidden moth]

I don’t use tea

I also have a script that ignores lua errors lol

[hidden moth]

Tbf expansions are like this

Vanilla tbc wotlk - classic
Cata mop wod -retail lite
Legion -retail /peak
Bfa slands -retail dark phase
Df Wwi midnight -new era

[amber raven]

Are there any known addons that randomly pop like 5,000 lua errors in arena, I apparently have one... once it randomly starts mid game, its spamming too much to unclick

[gleaming sentinel]

Might be a hot take, but I think alts being too easy to make is an issue

[hidden moth]

Hot take

U know how cancer it would be

[stoic spruce]

I will say

personally

[hidden moth]

If we had to farm honor on all of our alts from 0-11500 etc to get gear

[stoic spruce]

I've never had an issue in the 20 years of play wow