Step kidney on evasion is juicer
#pvp
hidden moth
grave basin
Did you watch the venruki clip
grave basin
50% of the games on my monk to 2.4 plays out exactly like that
hidden moth
He just drops random ass takes on YouTube for click bait and still plays the game either way
Same with belular
grave basin
Dudes so fucking washed
Maybe not top of the top kalvish level but he's still R1 shuff
Belular isn't even on the same planet as ven and I'm no ven sub
hidden moth
Adds
So many adds
Tbf
Shaman walled way fucking late
U don’t wall at 40% hp lol
grave basin
Ye but my point is he didn't have to setup anything
Just win through sheer damage
He probably didn't think he needed to wall since druid is in omega tree form and dropped from 80-> 40 in one global
dark kernel
these shuffles are sweaty as fuck tonight
hidden moth
He probably didn't think he needed to wall since druid is in omega tree form and...
Yeah
But like
We play a spec that has a lot of util so it’s dam has to be nerfed greatly
Tbh maybe I just
Main dh next season or something easier than rogue
exotic dove
these shuffles are sweaty as fuck tonight
Yeah they are
grave basin
Main dh next season or something easier than rogue
I already got that realisation end of last season and did exactly that this season
No ragrats
I still play my rogue for nostalgia
dense thorn
Same with belular
lol this guy still exists?
dark kernel
i cant keep fuckin
having these shit ass days where I break even in rating
going a full week no rating move is dog fucking shit
I need to know how rogues are supposed to control r sham
hidden moth
I need to know how rogues are supposed to control r sham
Send 3 mutilates into static field totem to kill it
hidden moth
I already got that realisation end of last season and did exactly that this seas...
That’s it
Maining ret next season
hidden moth
Im memeing
hidden moth
Was going into a we hate rets so I’m going ret
But I already play dh v well so
Might as well just got hat
That
grave basin
Dh alone has as much represantation as the bottom 6 specs combined
And there's only 12 melee 
hidden moth
Either dh or just go mm bc fuck mages
grave basin
Either dh or just go mm bc fuck mages
If you take out enhance, feral and below are all setup specs and DH/Ret/arms/ww and fury are all gas pedal specs
blissful wraith
does disarm helps against dk and ret? i feel like they still doing decent damage when I disarm them
jaunty osprey
i dont really play disarm into them
it does help though
DKs cant heal when disarmed
if unholy
and for frost, you should use it when they pop their 1 min CDs
it helps a lot
blissful wraith
and for frost, you should use it when they pop their 1 min CDs
like that big blue circle?
jaunty osprey
ya
you can generally tell when they grip in and aoe stun
vs Frost DK, definitely play disarm
vs ret, it's up to you
blissful wraith
good to know, thank you
worthy crag
So for mop classic, does the talent tree follow what it was in each season or do we start off with the "final" tree?
I remember in mop season 1 we had to choose between shadowstep and prep lmfao
exotic dove
Grats
hollow carbon
So for mop classic, does the talent tree follow what it was in each season or do...
It’s the final tree, but it isn’t really a tree anymore. You decide between step, burst of speed and cloak and dagger
jolly sierra
blood of heroes? in mop?
dark stump
how is each of rogue in pvp , played sub and assa in df and ass in season 1 , trying to come back to rogue before next season
gilded gulch
The top 5 people on shuffle are all DH
dh is a wild time
not even 100 rounds played and almost 24
never played it in shuffle prior past 1.8
grave basin
The power of the zug
gilded gulch
I mean you have
decent cc
2 stuns a fear and an incap
4 melee lobbies are almost an instant 5-1/6-0
spring bough
GG game beat season over
gilded gulch
I definitely feel i have to play way better for wins on rogue
also no one likes hitting dh for some reason
grave basin
Dh has some of the lowest death rates in shuffle
gilded gulch
Yeah I mean your biggest threat is heavy burst classes
you have blur on 1min then backflip gives some dr and felblade does too
nether on 3 and dark usually on 5
grave basin
dark kernel
Cloo is correct
orchid plinth
Enha second best melee
orchid plinth
Outlaw ofc biggest boorst
gusty hedge
sin and sub + the resto druid kept dying hunter stayed locked down half the time
@hidden moth hunter died like in 2 seconds one match and since then hes been off
i teamed with him 3 times, we won 2 and he purposely died 3rd time , last game i flopped the W trying to lock down too many people resto and i died went 4-2 hunter also went 4-2 so not sure what his problem actually was.
to be fair the druid was lacking in heals or he was just ccd most of the time 1-5
flopped thr last 2 wins after i seen his message
gleaming sentinel
That’s it I’m going assa next season, teach me brother
dark stump
sub or sin?
glass hazel
sin ofc
hidden moth
I wish lol
How to be like you
Where are the patch notes for s3 reeee
Nothing new aside from some m+ tuning this week
hidden moth
This just in rogue finally gets a form of self healing that isn’t dog shit
dark kernel
I would settle for damage that moves health bars.
jaunty osprey
How to be like you
KILL THEM BEFORE THEY KILL U
Nah jk, I run at healers a lot in shuffle if I have a DH on my team
and it generally works
dark stump
This just in rogue finally gets a form of self healing that isn’t dog shit
the worst is trying to do solo content and u can't vanish or else it reset
dark kernel
the worst is trying to do solo content and u can't vanish or else it reset
They fixed this
There's a 1.5 second window or so if you immediately attack the mobs won't reset
dark stump
There's a 1.5 second window or so if you immediately attack the mobs won't reset
ooh nice
fathom cliff
what do i do against demo warlocks as a sub? bro's hp bar does not move
dark stump
what do i do against demo warlocks as a sub? bro's hp bar does not move
in my opinion sub rogue is more of an opportunist u just do damage to pressure it and when ur ally do enough damage u stun the healer and go for ur bust
(my opinion never got past 1.6k in ss)
spring bough
how is pvp today
ran a blitz at like 3am and my two off cart teammate never came top to help me... we lost the game on the last cart too
dark stump
how is pvp today
dh invasion of the ladder
spring bough
everyone rerolling DH? lol
stoic spruce
how is pvp today
Killing Floor 3 doesn't have pvp
dark stump
and druid cyclone my burst target (i was mm hunter) so now if i ask who do we focus and no one answer i start trash talking
dark stump
everyone rerolling DH? lol
someone sent this pic
spring bough
id reckon to say DH is good rn
spring bough
someone sent this pic
i like how the shaman isnt Bigdam but he is in the guild Big Dam. LOL
dark stump
i like how the shaman isnt Bigdam but he is in the guild Big Dam. LOL
got osed on a dk (honor gear) in in less than 5sec by an ench sham
dark kernel
how is pvp today
I am further more in aww how you hit elite every day as outlaw.
I don't know how you did it.
stoic spruce
Van do you have a W-2
stoic spruce
Lmaoo
Dude
I get dms from outlaws from all hours of the night and I'm pretty sure I'm the only outlaw player that sleeps I stg lol
dark kernel
You aren't American
dark stump
guess who got obliterated in 2k mmr ss lobby while in honor gear
dark kernel
I sleep, just from midnight to 6:30
And my kid usually wakes me around 2
Fun stuff
dark stump
And my kid usually wakes me around 2
hard
grave basin
I sleep, just from midnight to 6:30
2am to 8am with 3am daughter wakingtime here
spring bough
Van do you have a W-2
yes i have a w-2 lmao
dark kernel
2am to 8am with 3am daughter wakingtime here
Rough life. I'm 50/50 on mine sleeping through the night. Last night she was up 2 hours it was brutal
Trying to push rating with an 8 month old is fun
grave basin
try pushing with a kid asking you to play ball and another one asking to draw a gorilla
gleaming sentinel
Did icc once a week for 4 weeks and didn’t get invincible. This game is a scam
spring bough
Did icc once a week for 4 weeks and didn’t get invincible. This game is a scam
same
question is how many more chars do i try it with the next few days lol
fresh ermine
lol
grave basin
guess whos
dark kernel
question is how many more chars do i try it with the next few days lol
I wanted to ask, legitimately, when you were pushing are there any comps or healers in shuffle where you change up your play style
dark kernel
question is how many more chars do i try it with the next few days lol
Cause I've been trying balls to the wall DPS, sticking on my target, sometimes I go full CC bot, melee cleave matches are the easiest, but most other shit goes bad.
hidden moth
They fixed this
Tell that to zoval and sylvanas instantly disappearing
Or anduin etc
hidden moth
2nd wow account?
Brother a w-2 is a tax form u file when getting a job
spring bough
I wanted to ask, legitimately, when you were pushing are there any comps or heal...
not really im just balls to the wall zug zug mostly
hidden moth
Saying vancleef don’t work and only plays wow
dark kernel
not really im just balls to the wall zug zug mostly
I just don't know how that's working lmao. I'm getting peeled to absolute shit
R shaman games are suicide fuel. 1-5s nonstop
I even run DFa for locks and mages to immune CC
gleaming sentinel
I just don't know how that's working lmao. I'm getting peeled to absolute shit
Honestly I love outlaw, but switching to assa is just so much more enjoyable in a shuffle setting. Instead of frustrating relief wins, I get satisfying kills and control of the lobby
dark kernel
Honestly I love outlaw, but switching to assa is just so much more enjoyable in ...
I don't have time to learn Assa and push 2.4k before season ends
In 150 rating away, which may as well be an ocean, but still
jaunty osprey
of a venruki lobby
WE CANNOT BE LETTING GARROTESHIV WIN
grave basin
freaking garroteshiv mang
i coulda 4d that but im rusty af
havent played my monk in 1 month
ww is definately a vibe
spring bough
went to my DH for teh day
damage is just insane
wish i had this auto kill on rogue when everything lines up lol
dark kernel
I ate a 3.6mil winds
Like lmao
The new hotness Blizzard has with giving classes abilities that immune CC needs to stop
spring bough
hows the DH set looking for next season? S tier again?
grave basin
looks like the antorus charhound
pretty metal, im gonna get it for sure
- the elite warglaives
spring bough
set aldrachi set bonuses sound fire
grave basin
and youre vibing
i missed out on the legion warglaives
so these elite warglaives are the next best thing
@spring bough holy moly
spring bough
those look pretty cool
dark kernel
I thought the white rogue ser was going to be our elite next season, but it's the red and green
2eird
wintry dew
i missed out on the legion warglaives
OG warglaives > mage tower warglaives
grave basin
OG warglaives > mage tower warglaives
would normally agree but every1 and thier dog has OG warglaives by now
dark kernel
Im going to say the thing. All the rogue mage tower weapons are kind of ass
The rapiers were kind of cool but most new weapons are better.
wintry dew
would normally agree but every1 and thier dog has OG warglaives by now
i have the MT warglaives, and i feel like they are underwhelming :C
grave basin
you cant main DH without the legion warglaives
nor feral without sparklekitty
i dont make the rules
grave basin
dh was omega fucking broken as shit in s2 onwards though
grave basin
school is more imp for sure
jolly sierra
i am mad af i cant xmog the warglaives as non dh
why tf they says "rog, dh, monk and warr" then xd
hidden moth
set aldrachi set bonuses sound fire
For tank dh, the 4 set is a 30% dps increase over what we currently have with equal ilvl
hidden moth
you cant main DH without the legion warglaives
Legion warglaives ?
spring bough
1800 on the gnome in 30 games lol
5 ques isnt too bad hope thats all it takes when S3 launches
dark kernel
5 ques isnt too bad hope thats all it takes when S3 launches
There's a soft MMR resets, the higher you get the easier your push
gilded gulch
It just feels like it does assa job better
casually doing like 1.1-1.2m dps all game
while having decent instant cc
You get the odd melee round in shuffle that wants to hit you then you just sit on their healer and cleave all 3.
gleaming sentinel
why is gnome so good in solo shuffle
500iq outlaw race
spring bough
500iq outlaw race
S tier outlaw race
spring bough
ngl its OP. 1min CD. doesnt trigger trinket. 1% haste from racial and 5 extra energy. livin the life
stoic spruce
Sold
spring bough
just a lilvancleef now
stoic spruce
Wouldn't mind a lilpopo
Maybe another time though
Uhuh irritates me too much in pvp
spring bough
ngl gnome is dominating
hidden moth
too low pixel
Meh, u gotta put a decent chant effect on em and ur chilling
gilded gulch
looks ok with primal fire
exotic dove
Well playing sub now after I hit 2.4 on Assa on four of my Rogues. 2300 mmr Lobby hunter trinkets first cheap shot so I stun him in a bomb and kill him in 3 seconds. Round lasted less than 30 seconds. This is nice.
jolly sierra
what are you talking about in illussions? lol
cyan shore
doesnt look bnad at all lol
Was thinking of giving my dh a go. Had 16 boxes to use. So may go that route
gilded gulch
the elite is poopy
hidden moth
the elite is poopy
better than the df elite sets lmfao
hidden moth
demo ele aff hpriest rsham lobby
hidden moth
I would use legion mythic nighthold if i didnt have any
meh tbnh
this set doesnt look bad at all idk y the hate
s3 df set is bis though
mythic set
fuckin rip
lost to hpriest aff lock ele
dark stump
does the execute of the war goes through evasion?
hidden moth
does the execute of the war goes through evasion?
overpower does
however if u are stuned u cannot dodge
if u are not facing the target u cannot dodge
meaning u gotta be looking at the war during evasion for full value
hidden moth
@outer sky any tips on this opne
hidden moth
nvm just
going 0-6
lmfao
love dying in bomb
while my healer is bubbled
and 20 yrds away
not pressing prisim of light
sub rogue and mage lobbies are just unwinable as assa istg
dark stump
how do you farm conq gear ? do you just go ss on honor gear ?
hidden moth
how do you farm conq gear ? do you just go ss on honor gear ?
honor gear or go farm bloody tokens via world pvp
tbh just go farm loot crates
this
hidden moth
blizzard really needs to help assa with burst damage
or even single target damage period bc 1 mil envenoms every 3-4 gcds just aint it
dark stump
or even single target damage period bc 1 mil envenoms every 3-4 gcds just aint i...
did they nerf envenom ? tought it could do 2m easily
hidden moth
did they nerf envenom ? tought it could do 2m easily
lmfaoooooo
dark stump
but ngl never lost against assa (as a hunter or monk)
hidden moth
highest ive seen envenom hit this season 2.7 mil and thats with full dots+ death mark, shiv active (30% damage buff) symbolic victory ( another 18%, and darkest night (100% crit and 30% more damage)
hidden moth
but ngl never lost against assa (as a hunter or monk)
monks hard counter rogues almost as bad as ret pal
dark stump
highest ive seen envenom hit this season 2.7 mil and thats with full dots+ death...
rip as worse as unholy ?
gilded gulch
i get spam cced on rogue
hidden moth
^ this 2
hidden moth
its bc dh doesnt really have a "window"
it does but doesnt
bc its so fast and short
gilded gulch
Yeah if you wanted to nitpick i guess you could check
when they chuck reaver glaives
but gl doing that
gilded gulch
People sometimes do cc you on the real meta pop
dark stump
idk why dh is popular/strong
hidden moth
dh is fucking fun
dark stump
every 1 to 2 game i find a dh
hidden moth
at least my dh can dispell alter time
instead of praying for my healer to not be useless and just watch the mage as he full heals
dark stump
and when he is against he grow a second brain to do more damage than he did with (he wasn't the focus)
hidden moth
lolol
gilded gulch
i’ve not run into another one on mine
at 23 already
i can feel priests malding when i get their PI
hidden moth
also essence break windows being 4 seconds not 12 seconds and its a 40 second cd not a 2 min
hidden moth
i can feel priests malding when i get their PI
pro tip
if fighting lock
take the aoe purge pvp talent
gives u free demon souls for 20% dam buff
its actually so dumb lmfao
bc it rips a soul off his pet it counts as a demon soul, even if the pet doesnt have a buff on it XD
gilded gulch
oh i know
hidden moth
that lobby just sucked bc when im with a sub our kits are so miss matched
long con rot with short burst goes
gilded gulch
that talent vs rdru lock teams
hidden moth
both classes set ups dr each other so hard, then the mage was hard to stay on bc mage and when he was on my team he spamed tf out of poly dispelling all my bleeds i put up
dark stump
dh nightmare of monk since he can glide
hard compass
why is every lobby wizard cleave now
dark kernel
I have almost substantially ranged enemies after Duelist
dark kernel
hey thats probably me or one other guy in here
dark kernel
tf are these que times
thats normal for your MMR at 6PM central my guy
hidden moth
thats normal for your MMR at 6PM central my guy
mmr of 2300
dark kernel
at around 8PM Pacific the queues drop to like 15
hidden moth
2362
hard compass
hey thats probably me or one other guy in here
give me my cr back
it was my first game in 3 days
hidden moth
launchiung 2nd account then
dark kernel
give me my cr back
i havent played today it was not me
hidden moth
time walking time for the 2nd n 3rd dh
hidden moth
spriest mm hunter and a rdruid
mugambalah
enhanc yelling at me to kidney shot rdruid while im spam cycloned, vortexed, rooted, stuned, disoriented, traped with 0 dispoells lmfaoo
like u are chasing a mm hunter and ur wanting me to cc a rdruid who is kitnig just as well as the hutner is okay buddy
hidden moth
3 changes to fix assa,
sprint removes all snares and roots,
shadowstep is castable while rooted, and grants blessing of freedom for the 2 second duration of its movement speed increase
Deathmarks cooldown is reduced by 90 seconds if it is removed before the target dies, or before the duration completes
the fact that deathmark does less damage than would poison XDXD
okay
the fact mages can blink stuns while silenced...
spring bough
Did anyone see the new South Park? Had me crying it was so funny
hidden moth
single target damage break down on rsham at end of round lol
the damage from applying sbs (not including its dot) and gushing wound from helm enchant did more dam than deathmark XD it had full uptime as well
spring bough
im in a key group right now and 3 of us have char names that start with Van... LOL
worthy crag
probably not if you are poor enough to have to worry about gem costs
no offense
but then again my personal take is sub has to be anal about stacking verse.. so I would
grave basin
I bought pure mast gems by mistake
it makes zero difference
youre gonna replace it completely in 3 weeks
vocal surge
WTB The following changes for Outlaw in S3
- Immunity to ALL CC in Killing Spree
- Maneuverability rework revert
stoic spruce
That's it?
hidden moth
Btw legion warglaives just means the mage tower ones
didnt play legion
account was made slands prepatch
lost my gmas account back in mop idr
grave basin
WTB The following changes for Outlaw in S3
1) Immunity to ALL CC in Killing Spre...
killing spree can now be disarmed ontop of w/e cc that originally affected you
KS is basically a dead button in pvp now
doing splash aoe damage in pvp is completely pointless
stoic spruce
It's not even prio dmg
grave basin
ye
that's the biggest problem
it's bladestorm but worse in every possible way
or maybe i should say fist of fury
spring bough
WTB The following changes for Outlaw in S3
1) Immunity to ALL CC in Killing Spre...
give us back root break pvp talent for manuverability and ima be slicing everyone
grave basin
why did they even remove that
spring bough
cause blizz sucks
vocal surge
killing spree can now be disarmed ontop of w/e cc that originally affected you
Its always been disarmable
the issue was facing us when pressing Disarm
grave basin
i see
now youre a sitting duck
they need to give it some sort of turbo fists treatment
hidden moth
severed thread commendation still bugged
confirmed
@jaunty osprey do u run disarm into ww?
dark kernel
Its time
spring bough
i would love to sprint around out of roots into a KS
grave basin
<@113813700237852677> do u run disarm into ww?
is that healing reduc pvp talent on assa not worth?
spring bough
im kinda hoping this BM rework feels good S3 id love to play hunter alt again lol
spring bough
dire beasts passive is wild lol
hidden moth
is that healing reduc pvp talent on assa not worth?
wound poison exists
hidden moth
ww mm?
idk
ww just
runs over everythign
and i just
get invinitly kited by boomie and mm hunter
dark kernel
i got one worse
this should hjave been a guaranteed 4-2
the last round neither my ally hunter or priest used a single cooldown or trinket
hunter literally just died
I got all 3 enemy trinkets in opener, lock wall, pally bubble, and BoP solo
hidden moth
lmfao
wtb crippling poison buff
i shouldnt be slower than a target with it active
crippling should be 90% slow
outer sky
@hidden moth sorry man I saw your message too late
hidden moth
its fine
hidden moth
in which lobby?
outer sky
the one you asked me about
hidden moth
bc like
hidden moth
i fight my way to 2400 again
then get ran over by some 2x dps that hard conuter me in lobby like a mage rogue
or a boomy mm hunter in the bigest map in game (nagrand)
dark kernel
bro
hard compass
crazy to me that arms gets to run over lobbies pressing interrupt a total of 2 times
spring bough
call to the wild on this rogue did 37% in a second LOL
hidden moth
call to the wild on this rogue did 37% in a second LOL
wasnt all call the wild
but yeah
stomp goes so fuckin hard
outer sky
I think Tol'Viron arena is actually the biggest map
spring bough
stomp goes so fuckin hard
so many more stomps not showin on that lol. rogue went poof
hidden moth
2 steps and sprint vs disengage snare removal freedom chettah root trap freeze trap knock back etc
they really need to rework some of the melee specs mobility
outer sky
2 steps and sprint vs disengage snare removal freedom chettah root trap freeze t...
I can tell you I've gotten a lot better into hunters. I still suck into mages but hunters and also devokers I've gotten a lot better at. Now, I havent seen you play but one thing I'd encourage you to pay attention to is how you're using your mobility. For example, if you're going to burn a step, make sure you step to actually do something, such as stun him or whatever. If you have bleeds rolling and you can't stun him or dont have a DR or whatever, just don't step. If you really really pay attention to that shit before you press step, you'll find you're not as mobility starved. Like before you press it think "what am I going to do when I connect and how impactful is it?". A lot of the time you'll find it's better to save your step.
Like for me, i'll step to stun. I'll step to refresh bleeds if I see my teammate is popping CDs. I'll step if I see my healer get pet stunned to gouge or do whatever I can to stop the freeze trap.
and maybe you're already doing that shit idk
but it helped me a good bit
hidden moth
ive really only been steping my heals when im low and need to fall back
ill try steping for trap
ive also been ujsing step to step kidney heal then try to step back to the hunter etc
outer sky
hmmmmmm
ya know I always felt like rogues
especially outlaw
should have an ability like monk's Clash
but its like a hook
you hook the target and pull towards eachother
and meet in the middle
hidden moth
would be sick ngl
spring bough
should have an ability like monk's Clash
we do blade rush
but we go to them not together
outer sky
we do blade rush
or even like a death grip but with a hook
blade rush has such a limited range
vocal surge
Wtb Blade Rush damage buff
hidden moth
spring bough
didnt blade rush used to buff KS 100% or something
spring bough
https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11...
if they used this animation thats fire
outer sky
Wtb Blade Rush damage buff
nah you dont want an ability you use for mobility to do big dam. WW monk is in that situation right now with Slicing Winds. It feels absolutely awful. The energy regen from Blade Rush is nice though
spring bough
10% overall gonna feel so nice in solo in a few weeks
vocal surge
nah you dont want an ability you use for mobility to do big dam. WW monk is in t...
The difference is that Slicing Wind is giga overtuned
For Blade Rush to do the same, you'd have to buff it by 500%
hidden moth
The difference is that Slicing Wind is giga overtuned
got hit for a 5 mil slicing wind lol
outer sky
because using something for mobility when it does big dam is so shit
hidden moth
but personally I like pressing damage for damage and mobility for mobility
such as dfa
but
dfa is so do shit
outer sky
yup
vocal surge
DFA is cool conceptually
hidden moth
if it wasnt for the cc immune on it
hidden moth
its also so bad for burst
bc itsd animation is so fucking long on the wind up istg ur losing dps pressing it
like u press it wind up wind up wind up.. and before u connect the pal lays ur kill target
outer sky
yeah it takes too long for the animation to do its thing
vocal surge
Lol
outer sky
if it wasnt for the cc immune on it
it's more than just a CC immune. You basically have a pally bubble while you're in the animation. Like you can DFA chaos bolts n shit and you won't take any damage from them
hidden moth
it's more than just a CC immune. You basically have a pally bubble while you're ...
uhhhh
i died
earlier in dfa animation
outer sky
maybe they changed it since I last played it
outer sky
i think they also nerfed the damage buff
hidden moth
its only 15% more dam
outer sky
wasnt it like 60% for a while
dark kernel
i unrionically
spring bough
on that grapple idea would be cool if maybe there was a talent that grapple hooked u to the nearest target 40 yards instead of point and press
hidden moth
u may be thinking of the darkest night
outer sky
on that grapple idea would be cool if maybe there was a talent that grapple hook...
youd get trolled by pets and totems n shit
dark kernel
in teh same game
hidden moth
on that grapple idea would be cool if maybe there was a talent that grapple hook...
then it would be shadow step with flavor
spring bough
youd get trolled by pets and totems n shit
there gotta be a way it would do just players
hidden moth
but worse bc u dont appear behind them
dark kernel
like nothing is worse than these fucking shuffles when it should be a guaranteed 3-3 and someone mega trols
spring bough
i kinda miss shadow step, stun, grapple back
hidden moth
like nothing is worse than these fucking shuffles when it should be a guaranteed...
then dont troll
XD
outer sky
there gotta be a way it would do just players
maybe if it was a pvp talent. Theyd never do that otherwise because then it would be useless in PvE which is their main focus
I personally hate the grappling hook
hidden moth
same
outer sky
i always get CCd in the middle of it
hidden moth
its only good for bgb
spring bough
hooks so fast tho
hidden moth
hooks so fast tho
i cant hook kidney a rogue in evasion
outer sky
ive had mages blink my hook
hidden moth
or a war in die by the sword etc
dark kernel
then dont troll
nah a Glad rated guy on his WAr alt
Leaps around pillar
to a destro lock double bolt
vocal surge
And LOSs
dark kernel
and insta dies
insta 2-4
like
I could be happy if I was losing because I suck
or getting 3-3 because bad lobby
but holy shit dude, like holy shit
outer sky
I could be happy if I was losing because I suck
thats just the shuffle life my guy
hidden moth
and insta dies
just call him a slur of sorts enjoy your chat ban and move on
like the rest of us
outer sky
imagine reading chat in shuffle
vocal surge
Me who has never gotten a ban or suspended
hidden moth
but also
dark kernel
outlaw is just the dumbest shit ever
hidden moth
hard to coordinate who to kill without it
spring bough
half the time people dont even reply to kill target
spring bough
n go another target lol
hidden moth
bc aug is 10X the spec outlaw is
spring bough
aug is trash
hidden moth
n go another target lol
makes me wanna get my vintage kurt cobaine signed and sealed suck 2 start shottie
hidden moth
aug is trash
has more burst than outlaw
also while we are on changes
FIX OUR FUCKING HEALING PROFILE
EVERY OTHER CLASS IS DOING 20-30 MIL HEALING MEANWHILE ROGUE DOES MAYBE 3 MIL
spring bough
vial used to be a lot more same with SND heal
hidden moth
crimson vial is dog shit, no im not spending 2 talent points to make it a 25% heal on a 30 second cd and not a 20% heal
hidden moth
vial used to be a lot more same with SND heal
cant even take snd heal
hidden moth
vocal surge
I spam Crimson Vial
hidden moth
^
free gcd? vial
bc if u dont use it on cd how else is it supposed to heal u for 400k hp a match
ALSO WHY TF IS LEECHING POISON 3% IN PVP AND NOT 7%
spring bough
member when
vocal surge
F
hidden moth
i tried but didnt feel like figuring out sub
vocal surge
I survived at 1% HP
hidden moth
df was the first 1800 i ever got was hard stuck 1400 ish in 2v2 in slands s1
vocal surge
Vs Afflocks
hidden moth
then quit till df bc s1 slands took almost a fuckign year
vocal surge
Didn't realize I was kicking in the Death Save mechanic in rated lobbies
Not talking about Cheat Death
hidden moth
remove still shroud pout recup there instead
AND REWORK IRON STOMACH
vial needs to either be a 15 second cd or do 50% hp not 20% orrrrr its healing ignores all MS and dampening effects
pliant mauve
Someone tell me what the strat is against a mage with let’s say a War or something. I want to hit 2400 tonight but I’m just shitting the bed against every mage no matter the spec and every single lobby has one.
hidden moth
Someone tell me what the strat is against a mage with let’s say a War or somethi...
2-4 auto
gl hf
maybe u steal a 3-3
bc healers dont dispel slows and roots mages are too mobilke its
gg
wait ik darkest night was reduced in pvp but
THIS MUCH!!!!!!!!!!
vocal surge
Ngl thou
I do want outlaw healing to be revisited
Imagine Stagger on Outlaw
For the class fantasy
vocal surge
unnerf crit damage across the board
MM HUnters would be op again
hidden moth
Imagine Stagger on Outlaw
vial removes staggerZ*
hidden moth
MM HUnters would be op again
true
its just crazy that
in pvp only 3 secondary stats are usefiul
vocal surge
Is Haste not good on Assa?
potent pivot
Is Haste not good on Assa?
its ok ye
vocal surge
potent pivot
i don't think there's anything wrong with our secondaries rn
hidden moth
without alacrity proc lol
hidden moth
i don't think there's anything wrong with our secondaries rn
its just annoying having our resource be tied to crits and not getting to use crit
potent pivot
you can use some crit if you want to
hidden moth
fok please crit for 1 extra cp... nope bc i only have 23% chance on fok
potent pivot
not the worst thing in the world tbh
hidden moth
its okay ive resorted to gar spam for cps
potent pivot
ew
hidden moth
gar gar finisher gar gar finisher gar gar finisher lol
but fok for everything else when outside carnage window
dark kernel
Im out of ideas man
hybrid sapphire
im getting a weird amount of throwers/leavers today in shuff
grave basin
Im out of ideas man
have you tried to play a statistically easier spec to push 2.4
it's ok to acknowledge outlaw is fucking ass in arena rn
potent tiger
can someone gimme a buil
build for sub
the pinned one is the one i grabbed from the above pic
jaunty osprey
<@113813700237852677> do u run disarm into ww?
nah
dark kernel
have you tried to play a statistically easier spec to push 2.4
I don't have time to learn Assa this season and I typically don't like it's style
dark kernel
I only play rogue
I like other classes somewhat but I always get bored.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but this is a functional issue with me understanding what to so
grave basin
I mean, then you gotta be top 10 na outlaw
dark kernel
So
grave basin
To even hit 2.4
gleaming sentinel
Can’t see how outlaw improves next season, I’m practicing sub rn
dark kernel
I had to leave a lobby but if anyone in here tops 2215 to 1935 in 24 hours I'll give you a prize.
dark stump
we all tank to 0 rating with a new season
play druid tank
played in a ss with him he did more dmg than a dh
safe pelican
I don't have time to learn Assa this season and I typically don't like it's styl...
Pirate is literally harder to play than assa brother
There’s nothing to learn lol, bleed the whole arena , CC the healer after silence, repeat.
grave basin
Some people value the destination (rating goal) while some people value the journey (1tricking a spec through ups and downs)
I sorta understand since I did the same thing in DF
stoic spruce
Loser
Sorry
I HATE YOU
Dude idk where that's coming from
I blame outlaw
I blame uhuh actually
grave basin
I blame outlaw
Understandable
hidden moth
I don't have time to learn Assa this season and I typically don't like it's styl...
Plenty of time to learn assa ngl
Check PvP 2400 +
Ik it’s not the most accurate but only 7 maybe 10 tops outlaw that are 2400+
No amount of skill will make a spec that’s dog shit be playable
grave basin
The thing is 2.4k being "dog shit" is true and not true at the same time
You still have to factor that certain specs can reach that threshold with 1bajillion times the ease
So you'd for example only need to be a top 300 DH to break 2.4 but a top 7 outlaw to reach that same rating
Which is a massive chasm in skill gap
Well I just checked and on NA 2.4k DH ends at rank 230 but my point still stands
dark stump
sad reality of the current pvp
grave basin
sad reality of the current pvp
that's why it's always a good idea to main the class and not the spec
especially on a pure dps
dark stump
depend on the class i prefer MM above the other spcs cause it feel like a sub rogue with a better burst
but rogue specs are all pretty fun but sad it's hard to play in pvp specially sub and outlaw
spring bough
Dude idk where that's coming from
It’s cause ur a fucking outlaw
spring bough
Ik it’s not the most accurate but only 7 maybe 10 tops outlaw that are 2400+
This makes me sad
How the fuck we gonna let blood DK beat out outlaw
Can yall reroll outlaw and push or something smh
spring bough
In MOP u can convert honor to justice points…. When can retail get that back lol
dark stump
never i guess
spring bough
I kinda miss my pvp vault ngl. Those hero track items when u got to duelist were awesome to help gear out
grave basin
Can yall reroll outlaw and push or something smh
the funny part is that i swear there were 9 2.4k outlaw
so the amount of elite outlaws actually dropped
spring bough
the funny part is that i swear there were 9 2.4k outlaw
I fell out over the last week I’m down bad
Think I went from like 2444 to 2280 lmaooooo
grave basin
fucking rip
spring bough
Yeah that’s my season done and over. That’s why it was gnome time yesterday and that boys already over 2100 in 10 ques 😂
dark stump
rip
grave basin
one more 2s game
grave basin
why not..
dark stump
Do some skirmishes lol
ooh that's true
grave basin
ngl idk why (i don't have friend...)
lfg
dark kernel
Think I went from like 2444 to 2280 lmaooooo
It feels so easy to hit 2100, but as soon as you're there every game feels so weird
Like I do not get it.
There's no....normal skill curve if that makes sense beyond that
grave basin
It feels so easy to hit 2100, but as soon as you're there every game feels so we...
well that just means your skill caps out at 2100
dark kernel
That's more or less the under handed way of insulting me but that's okay
dark stump
well that just means your skill caps out at 2100
or maybe the specs limits start to show off at 2k1
grave basin
That's more or less the under handed way of insulting me but that's okay
how is it insulting lol
if youre 50/50 at a certain mmr then that's where you belong in terms of skill cap at the moment
nothing wrong with that
dark stump
short word : skill issue (i wonder if it's more a disability in my case if i can't go past 1k7 on rogue)
for obvious reason this is a joke
grave basin
i mean nothing wrong with being 1700 or 2700 or 3700
grave basin
short word : skill issue (i wonder if it's more a disability in my case if i can...
if you're serious about wanting to climb then you should seek feedback from people better than you playing the spec
coaching is 1000000000000000% the fastest way to climb and improve
spring bough
It feels so easy to hit 2100, but as soon as you're there every game feels so we...
DW 10% overall outlaw Inc next season will make it feel better
dark kernel
DW 10% overall outlaw Inc next season will make it feel better
im curious to see fatebound vs trickster
trickster felt a LOT better on PTR, but i've been playing it more so
spring bough
I think fate bound will beat it with the ADR and ghostly up time and the insane amount of coin flips
grave basin
trickster being based around a dead talent seems like it's DOA
for pvp
yea fatebound seems like it's gonna be the way tbh
spring bough
Cause u can run fate without killing spree
dark kernel
yeah i just dont know all the fatebound coin interractions
I may playt with that today
spring bough
Feel like KS being CC’d gonna double because if it doesn’t get CC’d and you get a full one off KS doing like 13million
And that’s on fatebound. Prob doing more on trick lol
spring bough
yeah i just dont know all the fatebound coin interractions
If you do cold blood and the CB hero talent it increases the flips even more and fatebound tails dmg will always be 20% plus of ur overall lol
grave basin
KS doesnt do prio anymore so it's really hard to get full value now
might as well play gamba and have 4x hook
more ST
less reliance on a spell that gets all the weakaura air horns blaring
presses KS
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
dark kernel
If you do cold blood and the CB hero talent it increases the flips even more and...
I saw that
spring bough
less reliance on a spell that gets all the weakaura air horns blaring
thats how it feels now. its gonna be OD 10x worse season 3 lol
like boom press KS immediately disarmed lmao
dark stump
is rogue getting worse in season 3 pvp ?
spring bough
is rogue getting worse in season 3 pvp ?
one of those things we will just have to see and find out. got some good buffs recently for S3 so we will see. but otherr classes buffed too and gonna be chunking. praying we doing well
grave basin
is rogue getting worse in season 3 pvp ?
relative to other classes, sub and assa prolly thesame
dark stump
oooh ok
wet crown
Wpvp scenario, how do you beat a feral? lol
I feel like even if I deny opener it's a rough one if they are any good
orchid plinth
I don't think you do? 
Ive seen some of the Snupy 1v1 tournies and they seem pretty good
I would guess Sub is your best bet?
grave basin
I feel like even if I deny opener it's a rough one if they are any good
ferals are one of the best 1v1 specs.. but so is sub
wet crown
I've been considering one as a wpvp alt tbh.
Those opening bleeds can legit just solo you unmitigated, It's outrageous
gleaming sentinel
seems like sub is the 2s specc atm
dark stump
Wpvp scenario, how do you beat a feral? lol
funny u speak about feral i won 4 round out of 6 because of a feral
not against me but with me (i lost 2 when he was with me)
dark stump
ferals are one of the best 1v1 specs.. but so is sub
feel like feral is like assa but three times more bleed
wet crown
assa bleeds kinda don't do anything if you dispel the poison, right?
Sudden demise kills are super funny though
dark stump
Sudden demise kills are super funny though
is there an addon that calculate how much is the hp to execute like in league of legend
jaunty osprey
No because it doesn’t just execute at 10%
If the enemy has healing over time effects on them
that outheal your bleed damage
it won’t execute
dark stump
oooh rip
spring bough
is sin even good in pvp if u arent a night elf lol
dark kernel
It's the same as outlaw you just lose one vanish
grave basin
is sin even good in pvp if u arent a night elf lol
meld is broken af as assa
spring bough
ik like is it even worth to play off spec on the kul tiran or just stick to sub as my off on him lol
grave basin
you dont have cdr as assa so that 1 extra vanish is kinda big deal
hidden moth
Can yall reroll outlaw and push or something smh
I refuse
spring bough
wtb CDR for sin vanish
hidden moth
ik like is it even worth to play off spec on the kul tiran or just stick to sub ...
No
99.3% of 2400+ assa players are nelf is basically required
ESP bc of single focus bugs not letting you get a restealth
spring bough
ima off spec some sub today on the kultiran. already 1800 and sub deletes lol
grave basin
ik like is it even worth to play off spec on the kul tiran or just stick to sub ...
sub doesnt care at all about meld so stick to sub lol
spring bough
90.67% mastery for sub enough? lol
hidden moth
If the enemy has healing over time effects on them
Fr? Thought it was legit if target is 10% or lower hp and would take 250% of current hp as bleed damage from your bleeds they just die
gleaming sentinel
90.67% mastery for sub enough? lol
sub feels so nice after months on assa
err months on outlaw
dark stump
what's the playstyle of a subrogue?
hidden moth
Cc pop cds go ham
dark stump
bleed whole team or just stun healer while bursting kill target
dark stump
ok
gleaming sentinel
bleed whole team or just stun healer while bursting kill target
i just knida kidney or blind healer and send a go on kill target, if there is a peely dps i'll stun off too seems to work
dark kernel
Sub DPS is so fucking gnarly if you can stick to a target for a minute unobstructed
Like 1.5 million single target
cunning reef
what’s the game plan as Assa now? Just spread rulture and garrote? Last time I played we could kidney into double envenom w poison bomb
I don’t see anyone playing kingsbane either kinda confused on burst
potent tiger
ya basically just spread rupture / garrote and crimson. I feel like the "goes" are shiv lol
dark stump
how do i play against a boomkin who only instant cast?
pastel cedar
Hey guys, quick question for assassin rogues
Shrouded Suffocation makes ambush kinda useless right?
Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals [68 * (1.04 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)] additional damage every 2 sec for 18 sec.
grave basin
your deathstalker mark?
jaunty osprey
Which in pvp, the best way to guarantee landing an ambush is to cheapshot first
pastel cedar
yeah yeah, cheap shot, ambush and then garrote 😄
tight hill
if you get peeled before mark, is it worth a vanish early on to get it going?
i guess there's a whole lot of depends there
hidden moth
what’s the game plan as Assa now? Just spread rulture and garrote? Last time I p...
Burst 
hidden moth
if you get peeled before mark, is it worth a vanish early on to get it going?
Yes
Mark is legit
30-40% of your damage
And is a lot of your single target between extra dam on autos, clear witness, SINGULAR FOCUS
Shiv when u got imp gar and decent bleeds out
Also shiv is aoe so try to position so it hits multipul enemy’s
hidden moth
single target damage break down on rsham at end of round lol
Example for hero talent dam
Singular focus 9% of my damage to the kill target, consuming marks almost 3%, hunt them down almost 3% clear the witness 1%
strange badger
I am looking at piping for the first time to try and unlock the old artifact weapon skins. Do I need to get PvP gear to be useful?
PVP ING
potent pivot
I am looking at piping for the first time to try and unlock the old artifact wea...
if you're just going for honor level and playing unrated pvp then it doesn't matter very much, just make sure you at least get pvp trinkets
strange badger
if you're just going for honor level and playing unrated pvp then it doesn't mat...
If I go past that, should I craft PvP gear or start with the PvP greens at the vendor?
potent pivot
If I go past that, should I craft PvP gear or start with the PvP greens at the v...
if you have pve gear just start with honor/bloody token/conquest gear
strange badger
if you have pve gear just start with honor/bloody token/conquest gear
Ok and since pvp gear is vers heavy, should I consider doing a spec other than assassin?
hidden moth
Ok and since pvp gear is vers heavy, should I consider doing a spec other than a...
Crit is “bad” to stack on most specs in PvP bc it’s only 1.5x dam where pve its 2x
But assa legit stacks vers mast
strange badger
But assa legit stacks vers mast
Overall aren’t the PvP gear stats better set for sub or outlaw though?
spring bough
what yall think. midnight going to 85 or to 90 for max level
hidden moth
Overall aren’t the PvP gear stats better set for sub or outlaw though?
Dont go outlaw its so bad rn
Only 10 players 2400+ vs assa 100+ sub 100+
Tbh assa is the best to start with
potent tiger
where can I see our sub rotation for pvp?
spring bough
ive taken up arms warrior for the rest of my day lol
potent tiger
Is it stupid to macro dance and symbols together?
hidden moth
Is it stupid to macro dance and symbols together?
yes
potent tiger
aw
hidden moth
ideally u dont macro any of it together
potent tiger
aren't they like always used together tho?
ive never had a situation where I did one with out hte other but maybe I just suck lol
hidden moth
no
lol
u get like
4 symbols per 3 dances
u also arnt fully granted cdr on dance bc
u can be cc'd so u cant use cps to cdr dancde
potent tiger
😮
potent tiger
so how does secret technique fit into the burst rotation when you don't have shadow blades up?
hidden moth
so how does secret technique fit into the burst rotation when you don't have sha...
as normal
potent tiger
ok so SD+SoD > CS > Ev > SS > ST > CS > Ev > CS > Ev
regardless of how many combo points I get?
spring bough
https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ptr-development-notes-significant-class-...
where rogue changes. how TF DH get more damage and hunters got hit even harder? lol
grave basin
Outlaw saved
spring bough
love a ret yelling at me after losing a round for not CCing healer... go look at details and i got 6 healer CCs and he has 0
brother died cause healer was CCd and he didnt pop a shield he had off CD
gleaming sentinel
sick outlaw changes
exotic dove
It wasn't on the deathlog but I had to double take on the replay and I just hit this MM Hunter super stupid hard with Evis
Never had an Eviscerate that high before
Sorry bout the scuffed screenshot I have a floating combat text
jolly sierra
got a purple in mop classic when i was leveling up
and i don't have one
time to gear up KEK
spring bough
got a purple in mop classic when i was leveling up
time to sell it and become filthy rich
@stoic spruce GSW on the night elf goes so hard with the extra restealth
1.4mil pistol crits lol
1.6mil BTEs
stoic spruce
GSW could suck me off for as long as UHUH is the way it is.
I do miss big ps tho
My beloved
I wish
That
There was another gameplay
Style
At least for pvp
Because
In pve I don't really care as much
Because pve is piss easy
spring bough
Because pve is piss easy
too ez nowadays
jolly sierra
time to sell it and become filthy rich
its a dead server sadly
so i just equipped it
KEK
spring bough
its a dead server sadly
Dead servers already? 😭
strange badger
I thought Classic was more popular than retail atm
jolly sierra
(i got assaulted by a panda monk and killed the bastard btw)
he ended running away when i ambushed back
wet crown
Windwalker is like, insane bullshit with burst but not particularly threatening outside it
All we need is a restealth c:
worthy crag
Thing is people only remember the end of mop over its beginning which sucked considerably more
i mean what are they gonna do, raid heart of fear?
it'll def be more interesting once timeless isle drops I think
potent pivot
Ok and since pvp gear is vers heavy, should I consider doing a spec other than a...
No. All specs need vers in pvp.