indeed, he is the unintentionally funniest char in tww
#pvp
broken otter
GRANNDAAA
jolly sierra
DEH PEVEE PEE MEANIES ARE SAYIN AMA NERDDDDDD
jolly sierra
https://tenor.com/view/crow-of-judgement-judgement-bird-army-intensefies-gif-203...
oh hi royal
wintry dew
oh hi royal
https://www.instagram.com/p/C-WCrP7t0T7/
Oh hi panda!
Trial of Naked Elves
stoic spruce
oh hi royal
https://www.instagram.com/p/C-WCrP7t0T7/
Only belfs with a set get voted
Never DH
jolly sierra
How things going with you?
awful, but i have chances in monday to move out from this, so i won't waste the chance
jolly sierra
Only belfs with a set get voted
the slutmog always wins
stoic spruce
Yknow
Imma be real
I rarely experience that
I farm Ws on my dk and rogue
When's the next trial of style?
spring bough
you know what my biggest pet peeve is with solo shuffle? this GD shaman stun that NO ONE INTERRUPTS
jolly sierra
i've lost against that kind of stuff, even if i am from the specific topic
spring bough
how does no one see this shit for 5 seconds being casted ever
jolly sierra
my worse ones are the silly ones
stoic spruce
My worst one is the summer one
jolly sierra
the best ones the edgy ones tho
jolly sierra
in legion once i recall i won a 1st place by cosplaying as vanessa vancleef w my panda
jolly sierra
I've never had any reason to farm the more fiery mog pieces
fiery ones or skimpy ones?
jolly sierra
I'm undefeated with the faction pride prompt
oh that one i've lost too, even if i pick the 2k xmog i lose anyways
ah gotcha
stoic spruce
Yeah. Idk if I've ever won that one
I just use my regular set
Which is this one
I used to have an eyepatch but I replaced it with a rose in the mouth
jolly sierra
i don't have default outfit w the panda tho, maybe is the one from the gif and the qipao i always use
stoic spruce
You don't have a set you regularly use?
jolly sierra
this one mostly
spring bough
this one mostly
is that ur pvp mog
jolly sierra
what is Kathrana talking about dude
spring bough
whata troll
jolly sierra
yes
stoic spruce
With a bit of kul tiran
jolly sierra
i am a part time BMAH seller
stoic spruce
That's why it looks familiar
spring bough
I'm actually using the regular pvp set
mythic castle set is where its at for rogue
stoic spruce
I may use one of the raid sets though tbh
spring bough
glowly red shoulders and eyes
stoic spruce
I'll be mixing the conquest set and one of the pve sets for sure
Probably some kul tiran pieces
I have a vision but I'll have to see if it matches as well as it does in my mind
jolly sierra
HC + S1 elite
spring bough
HC + S1 elite
i missed that? wow
wintry dew
HC + S1 elite
i'll never forgive those shitty gloves
jolly sierra
i'll never forgive those shitty gloves
for being fingerless?
wintry dew
they could have made something alongside with the shoulders, spikyish
wintry dew
Just wanted to complain
jolly sierra
HC + S1 elite
u can use the kul tiran quest swords in gold w nightmare enchant
jolly sierra
Just wanted to complain
its fair, i always do that kek
jolly sierra
ye, red and gold are one of my favorite combos tbh, or copper like in the pic
stoic spruce
Normally glow adds depth but I don't think the set really gets anything from the glow
jolly sierra
this is how i do like rn in retail
stoic spruce
I've been using the raccoon set from the trader post and bear paw hist weapons
jolly sierra
ahh i have that frozen
awaiting to buy
i've saved a lot this month
i disliked a lot the stuff
but i am sure u liked it
stoic spruce
I've got nothing saved. I keep buying everything
jolly sierra
as is forsaken themed
stoic spruce
Yeah I liked it
broken otter
My all-time favorite xmog
Saving up for the Rogue tier 3 one, too. A few months out still, though.
broken otter
Tabard of Frost
stoic spruce
I got that
broken otter
The full set is Darkmantle
stoic spruce
You mind if I use that fit?
broken otter
Umm I forget the exact name. They were from the anniversary vendors I think
stoic spruce
Aw rip
broken otter
But if I'm on my human I use the assassination blue mage tower ones that go on the back
Runed-Ice Dirk
That's the other ones you wanted
stoic spruce
Been looking for a good mog for my assa
broken otter
Okay I looked into it
You can buy those daggers when classic time walking is up from the vendor
stoic spruce
I've been combat/Outlaw pilled for so long I don't have a single "rogue" outfit made
They're all brawler/pirate themed
stoic spruce
You can buy those daggers when classic time walking is up from the vendor
Oh cool thanks
stoic spruce
Ciao
spring bough
why is BM hunt so easy in solo
spring bough
i have 2 40 yard CCs shits wild
stoic spruce
I have Land Of A Million drums in my head
spring bough
more if u count the traps lol
stoic spruce
Oh shit wrong server
gleaming sentinel
Think I’ll try assa next season as a “main”
stoic spruce
Good idea
Outlaw pisses me off
In pvp
But in pve?
It's my sweet darling angel
Van is talking me into BM and he doesn't even know it
dark kernel
I'm going fotm next ssn
stoic spruce
They ccd the FUCK out of my subterfuge last night
dark kernel
Starting outlaw
stoic spruce
Had no adr
No vanish
No opp procs
Dry sinister strikes
Zzzzzzzz
Dry HO makes you want to kill a man
Energy was fucked
dark kernel
Yeah I know the feeling dude.
I've been trying to stair step my rogues but I don't think I can do it before end of season
Going to have to yolo push
stoic spruce
Yeah I know the feeling dude.
Sometimes it feels like even running without adr is slower lol
spring bough
Think I’ll try assa next season as a “main”
/cry
gleaming sentinel
If they take adr off the nerf and killing spree isn’t Garbo maybe I’ll stay, but it’s such an uphill battle in the content I play lol
hidden moth
Just uh play sub or assa lol
gleaming sentinel
Yea I’m digging assa ngl
spring bough
If they take adr off the nerf and killing spree isn’t Garbo maybe I’ll stay, but...
KS could go for like 10-13mil dmg as a finisher next season lol
languid ravine
One Cage
Two Warriors
Six Rounds
Zero Disarms
there it is
the greatest poem of our times
of all times
spring bough
this ret just used his sprint to go right behind the pillar when he was 20% with no defensives LOL
gleaming sentinel
ret might be one of the classes that has such a broad spectrum of skill level. I've faced some rets that were literally Lothar god tier, and ive faced some.... well
outer sky
there should never be 2 pallys allowed in the same shuffle lobby this is ridiculous
i just went 4-2 when I should have gone 5-1
2 bops
2 lay on hands
2 sacs
and worst of all
2 searing glares
thats so fucking ridiculous
dark kernel
this ret just used his sprint to go right behind the pillar when he was 20% with...
I'm not going to lie, I had two deaths like this yesterday
One of them me running behind the pillar was smart, I just didn't keep going and a warrior was in range when he hero lept behind
spring bough
i heard blood DKs doing dps level damage next season?
solo shuffle with them gonna be fun
why do i see every rogue with this darkfuse trench coat lol
tawdry lodge
do you guys shadow blade on opener or wait until after the first wave of cc
spring bough
@gleaming sentinel im in an all melee lobby after that shit show
hidden moth
always send assa teamfight
gleaming sentinel
back up to 2441 somehow lol
Nice, I cracked 2.5 with 49 wins to go… should be smooth sailing now
gleaming sentinel
I found a lot of success just pressing healers whenever I could
vocal surge
I found a lot of success just pressing healers whenever I could
i wish I can have the same success as ya
I just dropped almost 200 rating back to back losing lobbies
spring bough
Nice, I cracked 2.5 with 49 wins to go… should be smooth sailing now
oh 100 wins at 2400 is an achieve right
hidden moth
I found a lot of success just pressing healers whenever I could
hard to pres a pres voker
vocal surge
now im having multiple 1-5 and 0-6 lobbies 
hidden moth
also the rounds were ending in about 1-1.5 minutes
the arcane mage killed the enemy hunter in 10 secodns
one roudn
vocal surge
This time, priest healer was throwing
"PoSitIonInG!"
and proceeds to sit in spawn for 2 rounds in a row
gleaming sentinel
Arcane is so crazy
hidden moth
dont they also invis when they blink n shiut
dark kernel
now im having multiple 1-5 and 0-6 lobbies <:Deadge:1055825479988432926>
This was me all last week
spring bough
Nice, I cracked 2.5 with 49 wins to go… should be smooth sailing now
im 21/100 somehow LOL
wow didnt realize i could maybe do this
gleaming sentinel
You the man
spring bough
wish the title was permanent
gotta try to get to like 2600 now as outlaw for title range its crazy
gleaming sentinel
The 3 guys at the top are so good at outlaw
spring bough
im up to 2468
dark kernel
I don't think it's really feasible when there's only three rank one slots and Val, Dazed, and I forgot the other dude contest them heavily
I believe the top six outlaw people on the ladder are 3 dif people
spring bough
MM blaming me for not interrupting priest MC when i would have to grapple back n forth for it.... meanwhile this dude has a 40 YARD INTERRUPT
dark kernel
Do I try to push my alt to my main, which is 120 rating. Or just send my main for elite
vocal surge
Elite
dark kernel
Elite
Well that's the goal either way. But I'm not sure if I should stare step or just yellow
gleaming sentinel
Do I try to push my alt to my main, which is 120 rating. Or just send my main fo...
better healers at higher mmr
abstract stratus
holy does assa feel really meh at this point in the season
got the elite tho so i can relax and mess around with alts for the next few weeks
dark kernel
I actually had a dude on a pure fresh toon in a 2200 shuffle
like I dont care if its alt or second character how does that happen
he had full epics at least but like
exotic dove
like I dont care if its alt or second character how does that happen
MMR from last season. My Main rogue for example started at 2300 mmr as Assa and 2100 something as Sub due what I achieved on one spec
for example
Or something like that
dark kernel
yeah its just dog shit
it makes it almost functionally impossible to have a good lobby until 2250ish
abstract stratus
lobbies between 2100-2300 are actual chinese water torture
hidden moth
like I dont care if its alt or second character how does that happen
uhhh
bc fresh mmr is 2k rn
like 1st shuffle ever ur 2k baseline
and if u do well in that boom 200 mmr gained
tawdry lodge
it makes it almost functionally impossible to have a good lobby until 2250ish
TRUE AND REAL
its always some dude who is healing for the first time
or someone afks or lags
or some mofo in all greens
stoic spruce
in the green guys defense
tawdry lodge
farming conquest is ass slow
stoic spruce
I know first hand how easy it is to push in the beginning with greens. I also know how going 6-0 three times in a row is a death sentence
conquest farm too yeah
tawdry lodge
conquest farm needs to be boosted this late in the season
hidden moth
conquest farm needs to be boosted this late in the season
Meh
I hit 1800 on all 13 classes this season and
8 of them were in full greens 0 enchants in shuffle
Realistically they should only farm conq on 1 character which they will push on
Also crate farming is easy af
I just wish I had a way to turn my conq into honor at this point
I see why we want it boosted but
It also is already boosted by 30%
abstract stratus
I think I’m gonna retire one of my sin rogues and just stick to two dagger rogues for both sin and sub leapfrog in shuffle and then maybe play outlaw with the changes coming.
Thinking about gearing 4 rogues during the early season again makes me wanna sepuku
potent pivot
its pretty similar
abstract stratus
Sin and sub have almost identical gear aside from this seasons tier being less desirable on sub but it’s barely a difference
Outlaw is extremely different gearing so that would be a dedicated
potent pivot
trinket is like the one thing thats different which matters
hidden moth
Radiant power vs depths don’t matter?
potent pivot
early season on my first rogue i just play badge on sin
abstract stratus
Depths doesn’t feel all that dif
potent pivot
Radiant power vs depths don’t matter?
not really
abstract stratus
Badge on sin early season is also an option and doesn’t feel bad entirely
potent pivot
Radiant power vs depths don’t matter?
they both play radiant rn anyway
grave basin
Two rogues for sin and sub seems rather redundant
Just wait two more weeks and buy the missing pieces with conq
abstract stratus
Leap frogging for shuffle climb makes it worth imo
grave basin
Not like outlaw where you need 80% completely different stuff
abstract stratus
Log and play the lower rated rinse and repeat
Outlaw is very dif yea and I don’t entirely enjoy outlaw so I wouldn’t try to seriously climb on It
blissful wraith
are we like a squishy class or no?
grave basin
Depends on spec
abstract stratus
If you use your defensives optimally we are pretty ok sin is probably the squishiest and outlaw is the most tanky but also has piss damage
grave basin
Assa is decently squishy but sub and outlaw are quite sturdy just through sheer control and 20% feint
The only downside to outlaw is that you auto lose to everything
Top rogues that should be at 3k MMR are struggling at 2.7
abstract stratus
Bring back the bte stun and buff the Sinister strike damage and then we can talk about wanting to push on it LOL
keen canopy
Also crate farming is easy af
yeah but like crate farming is about as fun as watching paint dry
grave basin
Being balanced around 100% ad rush and super niche pve items that don't function in pvp
potent pivot
Bring back the bte stun and buff the Sinister strike damage and then we can talk...
i think bte stuns would fuck outlaw at this point
grave basin
Completely dumpsters the spec
They would need to bump up relentless blades to affect ad rush specifically in pvp
abstract stratus
Make outlaw a gunslinger class like Lucian from league or something idk outlaw just hurts to play rn lol
grave basin
To compensate for all the cc you get in arena
Problem with outlaw is when it's good it's completely broken
And just smokes everything
And when it's bad it's just sub rogue from temu
keen canopy
i've said it before i'll say it again
make Outlaw a 1 handed duelist
i'm thinking Fiora league of legends
if I can't transmog my outlaw to be Westley from The Princess Bride
what's even the point
grave basin
Outlaw will never recover till 12.0
abstract stratus
Yea that’s making me hopeful
grave basin
Unless there's some insane pve item
That doesn't get nerfed in PvP like feryllath for DF
Or however you spell it
abstract stratus
in my like 800ish rounds of ss on my rogues I’ve only ever seen other sin and sub rogues this season
last season I saw quite a few
keen canopy
i've only really played sub in ss this season
last season i played a lot more outlaw
grave basin
I don't think I've seen a single outlaw past 1800
Like at the very start of the season
keen canopy
i havent played 1 round of outlaw this season
keen canopy
nah but outlaw has like a million grapples with fatebound right
surely that's alright in rbgs or smth
grave basin
Talking shuff specifically
abstract stratus
Grapples are less desirable in shuffle when step kidneys are so powerful
keen canopy
yeah i wouldnt know anyway does anybody still play rbgs i never have
yeah that's true grapple isn't instant unlike i can step kidney to like anybody in a split second
abstract stratus
Also I have monkey brain and have misused grapple on multiple occasions making me rage
keen canopy
well idk you can say that about any ability right
abstract stratus
Hitting my bind for grapple thinking it’s step and launching myself across the arena the wrong direction during a kill window is especially tilting
keen canopy
see that's why you gotta have shadowstep and grapple on different buttons
my shadowstep is f3 and my grapple on shift+3
for outlaw my f3 im pretty sure is
nohing
nothing*
and my shift+3 on sub rogue is
nothing
except in stealth where it's sap
blissful wraith
Assa is decently squishy but sub and outlaw are quite sturdy just through sheer ...
oh ok good to know, but what about the status among all class? I feel like rogue arent having that much defensives to press
potent pivot
oh ok good to know, but what about the status among all class? I feel like rogue...
rogue is usually looked at as one of the tankiest dps
feint being on such a low CD, vanish, 2 immunities etc
stoic spruce
what else is there?
blissful wraith
i mean vanish is often consider offensive wise right? i dont think that really count as defensive
potent pivot
it can be used both ways
blissful wraith
and maybe im new to this class, but i oftentimes feel like feint isnt that great feeling of a button to press
cd is great, but the number is so low
potent pivot
you should be pressing it a lot
the number isn't really low
a lot of other classes have similar damage reduction on like 2 minute CDs lol
blissful wraith
with many of those have some defensives built in in the class tree
like warlock has almost 20 percent built in by standing there
vocal surge
I don't think I've seen a single outlaw past 1800
I was about to say I was 1800 near the start of the season till I read Solo Shuffle part
blissful wraith
i just feel like when in trading cards, my defensive into oppoent offensive. feint is never enough and i feel the need to press cloak or vanish right at the beginning
potent pivot
well ofc, sometimes you have to trade something bigger into an opponent's 2min offensive etc
that doesn't mean you shouldn't be pressing feint tho
vocal surge
^
blissful wraith
i know i definitely should be pressing it, was just complaining the feeling isnt great
blissful wraith
only if its actually perma lol
stoic spruce
@vocal surge what are the pieces outlaw is going for next season?
potent pivot
<@274725815244029952> what are the pieces outlaw is going for next season?
depends on if the stats stay the same
spring bough
<@913956782961995796> you want in on this?
You cash apping me?
hidden moth
they both play radiant rn anyway
When did that change bc I remember seeing u say assa uses depths
potent pivot
When did that change bc I remember seeing u say assa uses depths
it was for a while in s1
more and more been using radiant this season
but again really its one of the small things that doesn't matter very much tbh
hidden moth
i mean vanish is often consider offensive wise right? i dont think that really c...
They can’t hurt u if they are all locked in a cheap shot stun spam
hidden moth
like warlock has almost 20 percent built in by standing there
Ya but if u run preemptive maneuver feints a 60% Dr when u are stunned
hidden moth
more and more been using radiant this season
Ah gotcha
potent pivot
How did we go from 3 slots to 5 in 1 day? wtf?
Site could just be wrong
Not like it hasn’t happened before
potent pivot
Idk then
lilac sigil
Assa needs some changes
Any cdr on Vanish can be per bleeds tick or bring back shadowdance, ending without Vanish it losing a lot firepower
Deathmark rework its prbl weakest 2min cd in game, even stupid hunter bandage counter it, sometimes its not even worth pressing it cause it will be pointless. Bringing back vendetta can be solution or make deathmark causing ur bleeds cannot be dispelled even by iceblock or bubble
Add another way to apply deathstalker’s mark, sub can apply it from shadowdance, assa have to waste vanish or try to restealh if it drop
Bug fixes bleeds kicking out of stealth, preventing from dropping combat Singular Focus can be causing it cause fatebound doesnt have such problems
Some buffs to ST dmg, aoe dmg is nice but often killing on your own is impossible many specs have even aoe and much better ST dmg like feral, affi for example
outer sky
Assa needs some changes
Any cdr on Vanish can be per bleeds tick or bring back ...
what is this
Deathmark should have its damage buffed, apply empowered garrote and rupture at full duration, and make bleeds uncleansable for its duration
I dont mind ice block and bubble taking them off
but shit like caut
mending
dwarf racial
fuck that
some slight CDR on vanish would be nice
even like 15s would be huge
maybe give it the same CDR as shadowstep
from deathstalker
hidden moth
I dont mind ice block and bubble taking them off
I agree with this
hidden moth
Assa needs some changes
Any cdr on Vanish can be per bleeds tick or bring back ...
Tbh holding dm is strong bc it either forces them to hold their bleed clense and not use it at all the whole match
Or if they do use it u punish with dm
dark kernel
uhhh
Yeah but it's just annoying. Spriest pops into lobby 0-0 for the season 2210 MMR game, S1 SL glad mount oh boy it's going to be a riot.
Straight to the 0-6 shadow realm
outer sky
Tbh holding dm is strong bc it either forces them to hold their bleed clense and...
Thats how i play it. Although with how weak DM is i think thats pretty stupid of them. Ive played a ton of assa/boomie/pres this season and vs other assa rogues I've always told my pres to just caut whenever he feels like he wants to relieve some pressure and not hold it for deathmark
He gets 2 cauts per deathmark
Holding it is a big win for the rogue
hidden moth
Yarp
outer sky
The best way to use it IMO is to caut right after the rogues' indiscriminate carnage buff expires
Then you remove his big bleeds and he can't reapply them without burning another vanish
hidden moth
The best way to use it IMO is to caut right after the rogues' indiscriminate car...
Makes me suicidal
lilac sigil
Yeah mostly you hold it but you end up without major offensive cd while warrior pop avatar every minute
hidden moth
Then you remove his big bleeds and he can't reapply them without burning another...
Or running to the other side of the map for 30 minutes to get a restealth
hidden moth
Yeah mostly you hold it but you end up without major offensive cd while warrior ...
Then when u do send it your dh uses cage and fully removes it XD
lilac sigil
Or running to the other side of the map for 30 minutes to get a restealth
And waiting to drop combat for ages cause something is bugged and keeping you in combat
outer sky
Yeah mostly you hold it but you end up without major offensive cd while warrior ...
I dont think deathmark every 2m even if it doesnt get cleansed does much to bridge the offensive CD gap youre talking about
There's 3 ways to use deathmark
As a general rule
lilac sigil
Then when u do send it your dh uses cage and fully removes it XD
Or pala rep it or frost mage poly it
hidden moth
Either way vanish is our offensive cd
outer sky
- By not using it to get bad players to hold their cleanse
- For energy regeneration when you're unable to cleave
- To make sure your execute proc's as soon as they drop below 10%
hidden moth
That 3rd one is fucking huge ngl
outer sky
Yeah that's definitely the best offensive use
hidden moth
i like to use in the same global they press turtle
I love watching hunters bleed out in turtle
lilac sigil
Sometimes I use it early vs pal to force BOP or on MW after they cocoon some1 and I can full swap to them
outer sky
Sometimes I use it early vs pal to force BOP or on MW after they cocoon some1 an...
I haven't seen a pally bop deathmark on script in ages
hidden moth
Yeah it’s rare ngl
hidden moth
Mostly bc dm does 0 damage lmfao
outer sky
Like when I get deathmarked
I dont even notice
I don't feel like Im dying any faster
hidden moth
Dm is legit just to make sudden demise proc sooner
lilac sigil
I haven't seen a pally bop deathmark on script in ages
At 2,7k mmr they do it pretty often
tight hill
this one was satisfying in the opener the other day https://streamable.com/pbzomb
outer sky
Then I vanish to rebleed
And now tbey dont have a cleanse
Usually ill do that before sending a smoke bomb go
Shit sometimes I've even deathmarked a target with no bleeds on it just so they'll waste their cleanse
Its unreal how stupid people are i swear
And that works at 2900mmr btw
lilac sigil
Imo it still needs rework its too weak for 2min CD
outer sky
It obviously needs a rework
tight hill
Its unreal how stupid people are i swear
weakaura airhorn insta cleanse
outer sky
The fundamental issue with deathmark, and to a lesser extent Vendetta too
Is that
As far as I know
Theyre the only main offensive CDs in the game
That are a debuff on the target
Rather than a buff on the user
And until that changes this will always be an issue
Because assa rogue will be the only spec forced to committ their entire offensive CD to one target
Everyone else can swap on a defensives
So if the pally sacs the target they can swap to the pally and still benefit from their CD
Assa can't
And that makes it inherently weaker
tight hill
not sure how they could make it non target specific without it being op tbh, but it deff needs some sort of redesign idk
outer sky
Remove deathmark
Replace it with vendetta
Or something else with the same effect if they want the name to fit thematically
And instead of a debuff
Its
"For the next 20 seconds XYZ abilities do X% increased damage"
Ez
lilac sigil
They can make it buff that increasing all dmg you do and apply improved bleeds that can’t be dispelled for 2x secs
outer sky
Yeah i simply refuse to believe that with 39 specs in the game they can figure this out for 38 of them but not for assa rogues
lilac sigil
Rog seems to be least important class to devs
outer sky
I think DK is but yeah rogue is probably a close 2nd
The fact that we dont have a short CD root break is absolutely bonkers
Every single class has one
Instead we have to burn vanish
And its not even a real freedom
spring bough
this one was satisfying in the opener the other day https://streamable.com/pbzom...
LMAO when the F did the rogue even die in stealth?? LOL
epic blind followed by an even more epicly lined up chimera silence LOL
lilac sigil
DK is getting many changes almost every patch like frost dk rework now, rog changes on ptr ale smallest from all classes
tight hill
yeah sudden demise ticked right after vanish lmao. That hunter was nuts tbf he destroyed the lobby
potent pivot
DK is getting many changes almost every patch like frost dk rework now, rog cha...
dk is like historically one of the most neglected classes in recent years
rogues been getting close and so has dh
spring bough
yeah sudden demise ticked right after vanish lmao. That hunter was nuts tbf he d...
some days on my BM i feel like i smash buttons and the damage is unstoppable and other days i smash em and get nowhere lol
que shoulda popped 12 times by now......
vocal surge
<@274725815244029952> what are the pieces outlaw is going for next season?
If the secondary stats stay as they are, everything but gloves
dark kernel
I got to toy with the new stuff on ptr
I like trickster still more.
But I see the build where you don't run crackshot, and you take cold blood and the fatebound cold blood talent for coin flips
I think potentially killing spree could be kind of fun positioning to hit one target.
vocal surge
I think potentially killing spree could be kind of fun positioning to hit one ta...
Wanna duel in the PTR? :3
vocal surge
Aye
dark kernel
Life ruff
spring bough
I think potentially killing spree could be kind of fun positioning to hit one ta...
KS is gonna be so easy for people to defend against next season that i dont even wanna use it even tho it can do like 13mil in one clip
dark kernel
KS is gonna be so easy for people to defend against next season that i dont even...
Explain further?
Its already easy to defend against we can get rooted out of it lol
Hunters are the most infuriating
I was thinking for KS anyway, probably going to stun the kill target and bomb KS
If Blizz wants to keep up with their prior history, they'll make us uninterruptible like monks, warriors
Hot right?
spring bough
Explain further?
with how it locks onto someone now u can be in roots and smash it get out and do a full blast on it
next season its just the aoe shit if any other targets are around the primary, and feels like something that can be easily ran away from rather than being locked onto the primary target for those 2-3 seconds the way it is now
also feels like it can save ur life now with the the damage delay and being able to cloak that off and we are going to lose that as well
dark kernel
Yeah the mini wall is going to be missed for sure. But if the ability is more threatening I'd be willing to test it
gleaming sentinel
The big issue to me is how easy a little micro cc completely counters it
It’s a good thing the game doesn’t have any of those though
spring bough
yeah its like i gotta watch my DRs and make sure im 3 on stun, fear and whatever else before letting KS rip or its gonna get nuked
dark kernel
I get where you both are coming from but it affects both versions just the same. Our current version we just expect to do nothing.
Its like we can send and forget KS
I mean you could just start with it off the Rip. Sap double stun KS and force a trinket
spring bough
KS usually in my top 5 overall for damage each solo i do... feel like next season its falling out but guess we will see
gleaming sentinel
Kidney bomb killing spree gonna look so cool tho
dark kernel
That's what I'm saying
If the ability plays like chaos bolt level of threat I'm okay with it
It actually could force teams to stack to split damage or else kill themselves
Which encourages our cleave
acoustic junco
I wonder if they removed the targetting of immune things with it
gleaming sentinel
Lag plus killing spree is an interesting time
stoic spruce
Yeah the mini wall is going to be missed for sure. But if the ability is more th...
It's not which isbthe biggest problem
I guess technically
If it hits who you want
spring bough
back to back lobbies. both had an spriest. 3 DCs between them.... and down 70 rating yeah im done with solo shuffle during the day
MCing for the DC should be a permanent ban
how is it a 20 year old bug and blizz has never done anything with it lmao
dark kernel
back to back lobbies. both had an spriest. 3 DCs between them.... and down 70 ra...
I would be convinced it's just win trading.
I'm kind of salty I didn't hit my goal and there's 2 weeks left
The end of season always becomes a fucking shit show
spring bough
It's never been done in an awc
Yeah cause those guys are respectable unlike some solo shuffle spriests out here
dark kernel
I'm waiting for MoP to swallow a lot of people before finishing
outer sky
Nice Assa got a 4th r1 slot thats huge
hidden moth
Poggg
I might actually get it
Jk jk
I’m only 2500 rn no shot I get a r1 title this season
outer sky
This seasons title is horrible
spring bough
Nice Assa got a 4th r1 slot thats huge
Outlaw forever stuck at 3
outer sky
Its probably the worst one yet
spring bough
dont like Prized? lol
outer sky
No
spring bough
what is next seasons? Void?
outer sky
The only one that maybe was worse was "verdant"
hidden moth
Draconix glad was so fuckin sick
outer sky
Next seasons is Astral
hidden moth
Astral glad isn’t terrible
spring bough
we are in a Void patch and they are going with Astral? Lol
spring bough
yeah but void is like all dark and astral is more light to me idk lol
hidden moth
On the affinity chart isn’t astral close to void
Like astral where boomies power comes from almost in the shadow area of the chart
jaunty osprey
How did we go from 3 slots to 5 in 1 day? wtf?
Cause I queued up and got in range and the websites only update cutoffs once a day because that’s what the API does
and you got in range too or smth
spring bough
Cause I queued up and got in range and the websites only update cutoffs once a d...
we should have a bet between u two who squeaks into that fourth slot
hidden moth
We could make death mark a self buff but have it increase all damage to enemy’s affected by deathstalker mark
jaunty osprey
we should have a bet between u two who squeaks into that fourth slot
?????
jaunty osprey
My Ivanrah rogue is 3040 mmr atm at 2700, I’ll be #1 if I wanted smh
outer sky
Cause I queued up and got in range and the websites only update cutoffs once a d...
It updated since you did that though. It was showing 5 slots this morning with val taking the lowest one. Then it just recently updated to exclude Val
jaunty osprey
It updated since you did that though. It was showing 5 slots this morning with v...
Updating positions =/= as cutoff
Cutoff is once every 24 hrs, leaderboard is every 3 hrs
But ya the update to exclude Val is accurate
outer sky
It updated the cutoff too
jaunty osprey
dont u usually have a few rogues up in the top spots
Yeah, I just haven’t cared to take #1
Neither has Aiden, Drake, or Val
We can all push whenever we want
I started quueing on July 11th on my main rogue
dark kernel
Neither has Aiden, Drake, or Val
Val has a guaranteed slot already on outlaw
Do most people push rank one for the different specializations?
Feel like you would just pick one
spring bough
Isn’t there only like 5 outlaws over 2200 rn
like 10 maybe now lol
cutoff moved up from 2444 to like 2600
jaunty osprey
Do most people push rank one for the different specializations?
Ya
And for diff toons
Like I’m gonna push 3-4 rogues again
I got it on 5 last season
dark kernel
I guess it's just to be safe.
vocal surge
One day, we shall fight each other in the Arena
spring bough
One day, we shall fight each other in the Arena
and i hope u win 6-0 on the lobby
waxen meteor
Did outlaw get some recent updates?
exotic dove
Killing spree is getting changed I believe in 11.2 but nothing for the remainder of this season
hidden moth
Double rogue druid ravenholdt shenanigans
Why though
dark kernel
Why though
Because it'd be funny and I bet you can insta kill with 2x killing spree
Double rogue druid was also meta for a period so it's just memories
vagrant dome
One day, we shall fight each other in the Arena
That RtB tracker is awesome 
hidden moth
poggies
dark kernel
Son bitch nice
harsh kiln
can finally stop queueiing shuffle for this season holy shit
harsh kiln
u have to que
I need to relax, that's what i need to do xD
spring bough
Grats!!
still river
While you are all high raited i Hit 1,8k on assa today
hidden moth
lmfao
some priest said
stop spreading dots and pading
and just play rogue
like wtf does that mean im fucking assa thats my whole spec
I recorded the match, fucked up and ran dismantle into double caster
@jaunty osprey would u mind going over it and telling me im trash plz n thx
exotic dove
some priest said
Can't fix stupid
exotic dove
While you are all high raited i Hit 1,8k on assa today
Congrats Keep on climbing dont stop there
dark kernel
I was like hah 2400 is nothing these days but actually thats top 18 Outlaw kek
It was top 6 outlaw 3 weeks ago
hidden moth
<@113813700237852677> would u mind going over it and telling me im trash plz n t...
nvm file oto big for disc
jolly sierra
buy nitro
dark kernel
Nothing tilts me like having rounds you should easily win and not.
I have realized that my win loss rate in shuffle with R shams in the games is like fucking 20%
Almost every R shams lobby is just a wash
hidden moth
love adff lock evoker lobbys
i just cant get past evokers casting and waddling away without any care in the world bro
hidden moth
Almost every R shams lobby is just a wash
its just rough out here
dark kernel
That is an AWFUL rogue lobby
Lock and evoker with a ret utility almost every lobby or a wizard xleave
hidden moth
ngl would have been wonderful if my healers dispelled earth grab and other roots
dark kernel
I say that all the time. I have a buddy who mains WW and alts priest and his healing is amazing because he can keep me out of CC
hidden moth
didnt help it was the big ass maldraxus map
dark kernel
Yeah. I'm also no longer training BM hunters on big maps
You can't stop their cc or damage by sitting on them
hidden moth
Yeah. I'm also no longer training BM hunters on big maps
no true reason to
just dot em and let them be los of u with full dots rolling
blissful wraith
is the purple badge thing, use for crafting 684 pvp gear, limited?
hidden moth
lol
hidden moth
is the purple badge thing, use for crafting 684 pvp gear, limited?
u get 9 for free from a quest
dark kernel
just dot em and let them be los of u with full dots rolling
I mean I play outlaw
blissful wraith
got it, thx
hidden moth
weather update
dark kernel
We'll see how it looks in an hour. But I'm 100 MMR lower
hidden moth
im almost 200 rating down
dark kernel
I know that exact feeling
outer sky
im almost 200 rating down
Mage lobby. You made the best of it
hidden moth
last few lobbies have been mage lobbies like
is mage in my shuffle just
auto 2-4 best scenario?
also
love this
lmfaoooo
outer sky
When i get a mage lobby I basically accept that my best case scenario is 2-4 and I just try and do everything I can to win the games where the mage is on my team
If I do better then thats gravy
Its super sketch when it's a mage and MM hunter lobby though
Bevause the MM hunter can just delete the mage
So you can't even be too confident you'll win when he's on your team
hidden moth
So you can't even be too confident you'll win when he's on your team
thats fair
so just pray i dont que into a mage
got it
outer sky
Pretty mucg
outer sky
To put it into perspective
Im 2830cr
On one rogue
And i have another at 2500cr
And on the low rated one
I still lose to mages in shuffle
Over 300 point difference from my peak
hidden moth
ah i c
blissful wraith
is sub like an overall better spec than ass
i feel like assassination is so easy to counter by emeny
hidden moth
another one
outer sky
Bro 3 paladins and a mage
Thats cooked
Id be tempted to /afk that shit
hows it going?
outer sky
aye good job!
outer sky
sick you beat the mage one game
yeah no dude you played that like a champ
any of us would struggle into that lobby
outer sky
yep
outer sky
back and forth sacs
probably searing glared half the game when 2 pallys were on the same team
hidden moth
and they were all spread so almost 0 fok and ct value
aside from
ct him run over here ct him
kekw
yarp
outer sky
yeah I can tell you had a rough game
0 killing blows as assa
your execute never even proc'd
but we play those lobbies to survive them not to win them
you didn't lose rating so thats basically a win
into that shit
hidden moth
thats true
gleaming sentinel
but we play those lobbies to survive them not to win them
This low key a super good tip
gleaming sentinel
Me and vancleef got into a shuffle together and our team died at the same time, unfort
dark kernel
Unfort
I had a 3-3 Shuffle where I legit got a draw on a round
are you queued now?
it would be awkward if we had this many outlaws
dark kernel
share love with me
outer sky
Nice
gleaming pawn
haven't actually done rated PvP at all yet this season, so starting with 0 CR and whatever the MMR inflated too. Why is the queue time 15min 😑
outer sky
I think your mmr carries over from last season
outer sky
Thats a decent lobby
dark kernel
someone explain how I died
I wish I fucking had this recorded
I had a 3000 rated Hpriest this game, massive healer difference
a War and WW monk come out and go on enemy priest. Neither of them even target me. I go in, stun one off and I instantly just die
like healthbar didn't move screen went blank score screen that fast
There isn't even enough damage here to account for it
dark kernel
legitimate question because its too late now and it wasnt even just the monk
I legit died 100-0
but how do you do anything for your team if you're just not in?
dark kernel
do I just sit and watch Warr Monk invuln kill my Sp?
honest to god Celestial and Bladestorm immunity should just go
at this rate
hidden moth
do I just sit and watch Warr Monk invuln kill my Sp?
if u wanna help
u prepop feint
and or evasion before going in
dark kernel
i did lmao
hidden moth
did u trinket the stun"
also alot of monks go is magic damage os
gotta evasion+cloak
lmfao
also did u run disarm
and disarm war
dark kernel
I wasnt even stunned 🙂
and yes disarm
but you have to pre-disarm bladestorm, which I actually did
I wish I had this game recorded because you just wont believe me
hidden moth
and u didnt try to cc the monk during celestial conduit did u?
dark kernel
Nah, because he trinketed my CS to use it
hidden moth
tbh disarm after bladestorm as bladestorm isnt that much dam
at that point he is doing clestial and is immune to cc which is big magic dam
dark kernel
I had stunned Monk, I grappled to war as monk trinketed, Disarmed War, monk moved to me, I feinted I stepped away to blind paladin. Conduit and Bladestorm ended and I popped
hidden moth
so cloak
hidden moth
conduit is aoe 30 yrd range iirc
outer sky
I made a play earlier in a lobby that I was pretty proud of where the hunter binding shot me and trapped my healer so I feinted and then intentionally triggered the binding shot stun
It felt big brain
hidden moth
giga chad
dark kernel
So I dont know how conduit damage pulses, but does Eva dodge all of it
exotic dove
Very good Q Day for me to day too tired to continue but my Rogues are 2390, 2384, Two are at 2381 and the Orc one is 2366.
We up across the board
hidden moth
So I dont know how conduit damage pulses, but does Eva dodge all of it
no its magic dam
cant dodge spells
dark kernel
thats the fucking dumbest shit decision
so eva jsut acts as a wall
so you can evasion feint to double wall essentially
hidden moth
yeah but
stacking drs isnt
great
bc its multiplicitive not additive
say u got feint and eva going
its not a 40% dr
dark kernel
20% of 80% is 16% so it's still 36% damage reduction
dark kernel
all im going to say
dark kernel
is i really didn't deserve a 2-4 that shuffle
and Outlaw fighting tooth and nail to be 70% as competitive as war and Monk is infuriating
hidden moth
also this ability
makes all their dam magic
so
cant dodge
lolol
and they get 2x charges of it
more magic dam
hidden moth
u gotta cloak
vs ww
its dumb
i fucking hate ww
also disarm doesnt do shit vs them
lmfao
dark kernel
yeah I know
cyan shore
lol just got out into a ss match with two prot pally, ret pally, frost dk and mage. Rough
dark kernel
lol just got out into a ss match with two prot pally, ret pally, frost dk and ma...
you got the wintrader lobby
i dont know if I should even risk another shuffle
dark kernel
it seems like the damage window is super prolonged and it's all AOE, so either Im running or using defensives
but I'd lose so much pressure
and I guess I cant just stand out of celestial?
hidden moth
3 target cleave
2 casts of clestial
celectial 15 yrd range
and makes u immune to all cc
also fist of fury gives 100% parry chance
last monk vid for u on its damage
also the spirits from earth storm and fire duplicate the celestial conduit damage
and all ur other damage
one last update before i head to bed goodnight guys
surreal kestrel
So I've been dabbling into subtlety rogue and am getting better at it day by day. 1v1's are not a problem anymore and I feel like I have decent control over the rotation and CD'.
Though, yesterday I tried the 3v3 arena shuffle and was pretty much just clueless at what to do.. had people tell me I should learn my spec which is why I'm here lol. What am I missing in these longer drawn out battles and what is the (sub) rogues' role?
I also feel like anytime I'm in the same team as an assasination rogue (even when they're lower gear) they do tons more damage lol, is subtlety any good still?
hidden moth
I also feel like anytime I'm in the same team as an assasination rogue (even whe...
That’s the point of assa
glass hazel
sub does way less overall damage than assa because it is burst spec, like your main goal trying to kill target using your cds and cc while you dont have one\enemy dont have dr like cheap shot 3 targets
hidden moth
Assa is to overwhelm with unhealable damage
Sub is about pockets of insan damage to 100-0 someone while the healer is forced to watch from the “I’m cc’d cuck chair”
glass hazel
ignore people who say sub does low overall 🙂 they are clueless
it doesnt work that way
surreal kestrel
I do enjoy the fact you can 100-0 someone real quick with sub rogue
But off CD I'm just stuck cheap shotting people?
glass hazel
before duel was a thing, everyone had to hold trinket for it
hidden moth
And rupture spam
surreal kestrel
Also what does "DR" mean 😅
glass hazel
imagine how big threat sub is :))
hidden moth
Peeling with kicks and gouge
surreal kestrel
ah because of their cd's
glass hazel
100 duration 66 next 33 next then immune
hidden moth
Ex. Cheap shot 4 second stun. 1st press 4 second. 2nd 2 3rd 1 4th immune
hidden moth
ah because of their cd's
No
surreal kestrel
ahhh I understand sorry
hidden moth
100 duration 66 next 33 next then immune
100 50 25 0
glass hazel
oh i thought it by 33
hidden moth
Nope
glass hazel
ok sorry 🙂
hidden moth
By half
surreal kestrel
So I gotta keep track of the dr's on the stuns, and try cycle them for each enemy
hidden moth
🙂
surreal kestrel
while I'm on cd myself
hidden moth
Nah
Bc u want to kidney healer and use cheap shot on the kill target to lock em down
U don’t want to keep them dr’d on stuns
glass hazel
only combination you should use all the time kidney\cheapshot with cloud, rest optional
you will learn eventually when to use it
surreal kestrel
cloud? you mean the smoke bomb?
glass hazel
yup
surreal kestrel
Might put these closer together in the action bar then lol
glass hazel
so main idea to force healer run into it and not let your kill target run out of it
hidden moth
Might put these closer together in the action bar then lol
Nah
U don’t click u use keybinds
glass hazel
i sometimes just use it as a bait for carnage
hidden moth
Ideally
glass hazel
hidden moth
Same time
glass hazel
but i'm assa
surreal kestrel
Yeah I got key binds set up
hidden moth
Don’t bomb if they have trinket to get out of it quickly
surreal kestrel
So to clarify:
When I'm off cd, I spam backstab for combo points + rupture anyone or focus healer? and then proceed to burst when window opens
glass hazel
off cd doesnt really matter what you do since sub does zero damage without blades
surreal kestrel
off cd doesnt really matter what you do since sub does zero damage without blade...
Hmm okay good to know! what made you go with assa instead of sub?
glass hazel
easy to play plus i like dot class
more forgiving as well
hard to master probably outlaw>sub>assa
surreal kestrel
I can understand that, it was a difficult choice but went with the burst in the end
glass hazel
sure 🙂 sub really good esp in blitz
surreal kestrel
Thanks for the help both of you, I think I got a clearer view now of what to do. I still need to upgrade half my gear to conquest or algari gear so the arena is still a difficult one for me
glass hazel
its almost new season haha and then you will need new gear
surreal kestrel
I try bursting a pala with 12m+ health but that's just going to be a waste of my cooldowns lol
glass hazel
2 weeks left 🙂
glass hazel
yeah
surreal kestrel
only honour is transferred
surreal kestrel
sure 🙂 sub really good esp in blitz
Yeah in bg's it's great fun
glass hazel
yeah just focus on farming honor and Vicious Bloodstone, you will need a lot of them for crafts\sockets
surreal kestrel
I did spent some time to get jewelcrafting up as most if not all rogues I see use the algari jewels
do you think this will be the same in s3?
glass hazel
yup
surreal kestrel
but then the new jewels ofc
glass hazel
same just recraft
surreal kestrel
oh you can recraft them to a higher ilvl?
glass hazel
yeah
surreal kestrel
That's great lol
glass hazel
haha, yeah it is
surreal kestrel
and these algari jewels, they have different socket items right?
as in, no bloodstones needed or do I?
glass hazel
for each pvp socket you need 3 bloodstone and 5k honor
after new season recraft, sockets will be gone, need to farm again
surreal kestrel
after new season recraft, sockets will be gone, need to farm again
oh damn same goes for the crafted pvp gear then
that's a lotta honour 🤣
glass hazel
there was a bug in s2 we were able to recraft without losing it haha
but sadly was hotfixed
surreal kestrel
Oh well I'll at least have the jewels set already then
gusty hedge
One day, we shall fight each other in the Arena
seen this rogue out in goldshire, gladiator blackrock
gusty hedge
hidden moth
Assa has its issues and difficulties as well
If ur not nelf as assa ur trolling every game u play as it
I’m not kidding
surreal kestrel
It is nice to have 1 more vanish but whatever
assa only has one?
glass hazel
Assa has carnage, talent which allows to spread dots to 3 targets can be used only from stealth
surreal kestrel
How often if at all do you use shuriken storm/ black powder as deathstalker sub?
glass hazel
powder never, ss maybe >=2 targets out of cd
harsh kiln
Outlaw represent!!
orchid plinth
Just started playing this season, Assa and had some rough games yesterday vs lots of mages and hunters...Today I started off with a 6-0 into 4-2 and got my elite set at least!
I think I overindex on spreading dots like it's M+ sometimes 
glass hazel
gz
orchid plinth
Shuffle is so overwhelming when you haven't played in a long time 
And I got to feel a 4Mil or whatever Aimed Shot, shit busted
hidden moth
I think I overindex on spreading dots like it's M+ sometimes <:KEKWait:653895329...
Nah, u wanna maintain full dots on 2 targets 3 if possible