depends bc some nodes will be locked
#pvp
hidden moth
agile kite
Blitz is a lot of game knowledge. Shuffle I dont really play or am good at but it's the same concept. Sub is unique, it's about set up. Learning to do the burst is a huge part, learning to peel with it for your team mates etc helps a lot
But its hella fun in blitz
and honestly not that hard once you get the hang of it, just weird compared to every other dps spec
hidden moth
in ab if a node is caped it becomes locked and cannot change ownership for 45 seconds
agile kite
if you have generally good game sense in wow pvp, sub is a very easy class to climb with in blitz
lucid nimbus
Blitz is a lot of game knowledge. Shuffle I dont really play or am good at but i...
Isn't the burst relatively decent but short, and then your in between is CCing?
agile kite
Isn't the burst relatively decent but short, and then your in between is CCing?
In blitz, your burst is gonna be like a 100- combo where youre gonna be weaving in DPS and cheaps, kidney and gouge
twitch.tv/weedtyler is a insanely good resource for it
also mostly in nodes is less even about killing people in blitz and more just getting the cap
If you steap the base and can restealth, you will likely spin long enough for a teammate to help
steal*
lucid nimbus
spin is just denying cap right?
like playing simply to cancel them capping the node
agile kite
Yep absolutely
So on node maps, Arathi Basin and Deepwin gorge, the nodes have a timer and reset eventually
On other maps like Gilneas, the flag stays capped
lucid nimbus
How does spinning look for Sub? stay invis and CC them when they start to cap? Then try to re-invis?
hidden moth
u can do this
ideally if its 1
u let them cap for 2-3 seconds
then sap to interupt
let it fall off
then let them waste more time 2-3 seconds
sap
2-3 sap
2-3 blind (option but i would hold blind unless its 2 targets trying to cap)
from there u just do an opener on them
agile kite
@lucid nimbus Depends, mostly this will be split between two different types of maps. EOTS / Gilneas, the node stays for whoever has it. This means if you want to go steal a base, you likely go in, sap, them, go for base, they trinket, you blind. If theyre too far, you have to run to get cap after sap - makes it tricky, you can bomb this.
hidden moth
or zoom around the flag in a team fight spaming shurikens
lucid nimbus
what's stopping you from just sapping over and over?
agile kite
For node maps, Arathi Basin and Deepwind, every I think 45 seconds the flag resets, this means you can play to deny their cap or get your own
hidden moth
what's stopping you from just sapping over and over?
dr
agile kite
Diminishing returns so first sap is longer, then smaller and smaller
hidden moth
if u cc an enemy they get dimishing returns on that cc
so first sap 6 seconds 2nd sap 3 3rd sap 1.5 seconds and anything past the 3rd they are immune
until dr timer ends which is 20 seconds + duration of cc irrc
agile kite
If I wanted to learn sub I would break it into 3 steps. 1. Burst rotation / set up 2. DPS outside of burst 3. CC'ing
lucid nimbus
ahhh so you're letting them channel some to waste time and then jsut sapping to interrupt until immunity DR, then swapping to blind
hidden moth
so a 6 second kidney is a 26 second dr timer where a 1.5 second kidney is a 21.5 second dr
lucid nimbus
sounds toxic, i love it
hidden moth
sounds toxic, i love it
it is, but u also dont have to blind
agile kite
a lot of blitz is just denying stuff too, so if your team has lead, just being a problem on the map for them to deal with is useful
ALSO youre not even bad on temple with orb if you take the shadowstep talent
and run around all game
ss pvp talent*
hidden moth
bc if its ab or deepwind gorge if u cap it they can only steal it for 30 seconds
unless its neutral
lucid nimbus
when playing nodes/flags what's the counter to us? laying AOEs to knock us out of stealth?
agile kite
depends on who is sitting
hidden moth
when playing nodes/flags what's the counter to us? laying AOEs to knock us out o...
ret pala
agile kite
so a hunter, will stealth, use traps by flag, then if you cc them - there pet can spin
hidden moth
ret pala will p diddy u into next reset
agile kite
so then the counter is going in, trying to kill them, hoping they use CD's
restealthing
hidden moth
so a hunter, will stealth, use traps by flag, then if you cc them - there pet ca...
u can cc their pet as well and cap but takes some skill and thinking to pull off
hidden moth
unless its bm and they have a zoo
agile kite
On flag maps you can I think FC a bit at start, sneak past, grab flag, drop to your healer
you also can sit on their FC all game, triple sap, blind, make it slow for them to cross
and smoke bomb kill them with team
hidden moth
On flag maps you can I think FC a bit at start, sneak past, grab flag, drop to y...
make sure U STEP TO THE HEALER AND DROP DONT JUST WALK UP
agile kite
honestly i dont even fc
hidden moth
yeah i try not to
agile kite
99% of the time i go straight for their FC
hidden moth
i just send it full on efc
unless im in a spot im near our fc and he is solo dolo and needs peels
rogue is great offense and helping peel for ur fc to get across
agile kite
@lucid nimbus if this sounds confusing, i promise you its rewarding and doable. its really not that bad to do
hidden moth
but imo rogue shouldnt sit with ur fc in the base
lucid nimbus
nahhh this is all tracking really well
peeel you mean CCing enemy and just leaving them CC'd while FC runs back to base
hidden moth
help em cross and stay on efc
hidden moth
peeel you mean CCing enemy and just leaving them CC'd while FC runs back to base
p much
agile kite
yeah rogue is a big support class if it wants to be
hidden moth
u get a cheap shot u get a cheap shot u get a kidney u get a blind u get a sap
lucid nimbus
yeah Rogue sounds a lot less like zug zug damage and more strategic
like actually playing the objective a lot more
hidden moth
agile kite
its the most objective based class i think in blitz
agile kite
for silvershared, offcarts are the way to go
hidden moth
if u wanna be toxic
kill efc in wsg or twin peaks
then rush their gy
sap them as soon as they rez
lucid nimbus
ahhhh and just keep them CC'd
agile kite
toxic tip #2, roll kul tiran and go for knocks lol
lucid nimbus
so it delays how long they get back to playing objective
hidden moth
sap, sap sap cheap cheap cheap blind restealth sap sap sap XD
hidden moth
so it delays how long they get back to playing objective
esp ifg its a healer
u fucking off in their gy
but keeping their healer there
u effectivly traded 1 dps for 1 heal
lucid nimbus
would it be good to do taht to a solo healer regardless? since its usually 2 healers in a b litz
i figure it's ass playing without one of your healers
agile kite
It kinda depends on the go, so if theyre swarming your FC you might have to go send it on EFC but most of the time being annoying is better than doing damage all game
because your sustain is so weak
so no cooldowns = not that much happening
hidden moth
bc they legit kidnap ur hpriest or disc priest and go to a corener of the map infinitly heal and keep ur healer in the corner
agile kite
also you can entirely disregard everything we said if you play assa
that shit is a warrior spec
hidden moth
depends
lucid nimbus
im guessing assa pumps damage more?
hidden moth
assa is team fight spec
agile kite
assa is like huge aoe team fighter yeah lol
aoe silence, good damage
its brain off in blitz
lucid nimbus
is sub's strength in being able to utilize invis easier or something
which lets you CC better
hidden moth
yes
hidden moth
sub gets dance and vanish to access sap+ cheap
lucid nimbus
how does Sub use invis better, shadow dance?
i know you guys said Meld isnt' needed as much earlier but not sure why
agile kite
think best race for sub is orc
potent pivot
race doesn't really matter for sub
lucid nimbus
makes sense
potent pivot
nelf/human/orc/whatever
agile kite
i dont even see race personally
hidden moth
meld is for assa bc ur whole spec is designed around coming out of stealth
potent pivot
i know you guys said Meld isnt' needed as much earlier but not sure why
sub doesn't depend on subterfuge
assa and outlaw both have to play subterfuge
hidden moth
honestly for assa rn vanish is a stronger cd than death mark (assas 2min cd equivalent to subs shadowblades)
lucid nimbus
gotcha
hidden moth
bc subterfuge window on assa gives us aoe garrote and rupture, more cp build up on garrote 50% more garrote dam, anything we garrote is silenced and a damage done reduction , 20% crit chance increase (mostly skiped in arena but useful in bgb)
glacial steppe
does ass do better single target dammge thens sub
hidden moth
we lost but i toped damage at lava cart
hidden moth
does ass do better single target dammge thens sub
FUCK NO
glacial steppe
oh ok
hidden moth
assa has 0 burst
lucid nimbus
looks good to me
hidden moth
if u want burst u have to take kingsbane
glacial steppe
just for team fights it has better damage then?
hidden moth
and its dog water
hidden moth
just for team fights it has better damage then?
yes and no
assa is going to put insane pressure on enemy healers to keep people toped
glacial steppe
ok thanks
hidden moth
sub isnt going to put that kind of rot pressure on healers
glacial steppe
is it normal for sub to lowr on the scoreboard for damge in shuffle or was i just bad
i was always lower
hidden moth
sub is just going to cc the healer and put them in the cuck chair as they have their way with w/e unfortunate dps happens to be their victim
hidden moth
is it normal for sub to lowr on the scoreboard for damge in shuffle or was i jus...
yes
sub damage isnt about maintained high dps
hidden moth
its about insane bursts of unhealable damage
glacial steppe
and got wins here and there
hidden moth
think assa rogue like melee aff lock
pale storm
glass bear
Pog?
dark kernel
Oh yeah, you mentioned those weapons are from the time walking this week right
gleaming sentinel
Yea
jolly sierra
https://youtube.com/shorts/QNgWIztlZbg?si=M-iJjJmAumsSLB4M
ohhh the nightborne glaive
is it available rn?
cunning reef
potent pivot
Timewalking this week yep
worthy crag
great, there was barely any mmr reset from last season and im in greens
exotic dove
In another discord I am in a priest healer is complaining about Rogue in his lobby not pressing Deathmark on his team but presses it when he is on the Pres evokers team. LOL lets go if we get more complaints like that going viral they might do something
I dont know what mmr they are at though
jolly sierra
I dont know what mmr they are at though
ask him, screenshot it and censor the names
it will be funny af to read
cuz is a very dumv complain lol
exotic dove
It was in voice chat 😦
otherwise I would have
he was streaming his lobby to us
He was venting while playing
He went 0-6
then ranted about it for 5 min afterward
Sorry for repeated delayed reply in a shuffle lobby myself now
exotic dove
I like delves though
hidden moth
nah
brawn kept baiting this guy to the wrong side of the fuckin room so adds were spawning everywhere and not atop each otehr
champ gear and runed crests 
thats all the fucking loot wtaf
potent pivot
brawn kept baiting this guy to the wrong side of the fuckin room so adds were sp...
brann had no choice - do not blame him !!
hidden moth
brann had no choice - do not blame him !!
i legit had to fix the entire encounter
by running so far brann snaped back to me like a hunter pet who ran off to far
potent pivot
yeah that doesn't really change i don't think lool
hidden moth
doesnt it affect his healing and damage or w/e
potent pivot
i did my 11s every week for a little while
potent pivot
doesnt it affect his healing and damage or w/e
not that i could even notice
its like small af maybe
stoic spruce
i did my 11s every week for a little while
I'm worried
HO is so far behind in pve that it'll leak into pvp and kir will be the go-to
potent pivot
though it didnt help i had lvl 1 curios XD
the curios things matter a little more i think
stoic spruce
Which I don't mind
potent pivot
i maxed all mine iirc
stoic spruce
But
hidden moth
HO is so far behind in pve that it'll leak into pvp and kir will be the go-to
ho?
kir?
potent pivot
HO is so far behind in pve that it'll leak into pvp and kir will be the go-to
this gets fixed every season
dw
stoic spruce
Yeah
grave basin
Btw spec tank and this is 1000000x easier
hidden moth
wahts hidden ops
hidden moth
Btw spec tank and this is 1000000x easier
ye i wanted to prove a point
the dh is main spec tank and is stated for tanking lol
stoic spruce
Ambush becomes Sinister Strike essentially
hidden moth
ah that one
hidden moth
iirc its like 5+ cp u dispatch/ between eyes and then its like, ambush, 3x shot pistol, sin strike for prio
and thats liek the entire rotation outside of vanish between spam
grave basin
Actually crazy how it's a joke on tank spec
hidden moth
hidden moth
i beleive in u
stoic spruce
At this rate we'll never get a shadenox outlaw guide
stoic spruce
You're literally so close you can breathe on it
grave basin
Did you get flamed by foxxy
stoic spruce
Foxxy would never
grave basin
Foxxy would never
Lol
stoic spruce
Foxxy would?
potent pivot
lama is toxic? lol
jaunty osprey
yes
grave basin
He throws games quite alot
potent pivot
ive never rly watched him just never heard of him being like for real toxic
gleaming sentinel
i tried assa, i just dont get it, not my spec. you're a beast
potent pivot
now Meta on the other hand.............
gleaming sentinel
healing shuffle does rough things to the mental
grave basin
There's SSs of him since dragonflight on Reddit lol
jaunty osprey
he has issues for sure
hidden moth
who is foxy
jaunty osprey
he'll legit interrupt the first cast of the game
and then
blame his team for not kicking
and how he's outkicking them
potent pivot
alright well
stoic spruce
who is foxy
A streamer who mains heals
stoic spruce
The goat of toxic streamers though?
stoic spruce
Petkick
hidden moth
let us have this
grave basin
The goat of toxic streamers though?
Drainer and it's not even close
grave basin
hidden moth
he doesnt even stream
stoic spruce
SO TRUE
potent pivot
Drainer and it's not even close
binmex is on drainer's tail
for most toxic eu player
stoic spruce
he doesnt even stream
He does in our hearts
potent pivot
whats the fucking guy's name
jaunty osprey
i once saw notrickz in oribos
potent pivot
starts with a W
jaunty osprey
and he laughed at me
grave basin
Wealon
potent pivot
he plays hunter
stoic spruce
I believe it
grave basin
Lol
grave basin
He's dh main
gleaming sentinel
wealonbest
potent pivot
fuck that guy in particular
stoic spruce
That makes sense
potent pivot
and he laughed at me
LIES
i think i talked to u multiple times in oribos at the bank
way back when 
grave basin
I once saw ivanrah at dorn and he /waved
potent pivot
back when we only pve'd
hidden moth
potent pivot
🧢
gleaming sentinel
i love the garf emojis
potent pivot
stoic spruce
Maybe he'll play dk more if fdk is goated with the sauce
hidden moth
gleaming sentinel
hidden moth
grip is a raid buff guys
stoic spruce
Everytime he's in the AWC he's always on fdk getting a train ran on him
It's so sad
I think
He does it
On purpose
To show blizz
How even when it's good
Fdk is bad
potent pivot
idk if im even gonna q again til next season
grave basin
Unless youre getting glad most people have their seasonal achievements done
jaunty osprey
I WANT R1 SHUF
but i think im so fucked
cause if i win, i dont get queues
but if i lose, my rating doesnt catch up to MMR
gleaming sentinel
i just wanna get out of 2200 but i am stuck, i am bad
exotic dove
No you arenot bad at 2200
gleaming sentinel
higher ranked on the ladder, but 200 rating lower. why does this feel so bad
lucid nimbus
Sub just runs 2 pc right?
stoic spruce
I'm ending the season with 0 shuffle rating and that makes me feel so good about myself
potent pivot
no
potent pivot
Sub just runs 2 pc right?
4
gleaming sentinel
I'm ending the season with 0 shuffle rating and that makes me feel so good about...
potent pivot
you can run just 2pc if u cba but 4 is good
stoic spruce
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
I have friends and yall dont
stoic spruce
Nah nah nah nah boo boo
grave basin
2200 and 2400 is just 4 good lobbies in a row
gleaming sentinel
I have friends and yall dont
god damn bro, why you hitting me like this
potent pivot
any specific piece to leave out?
helm iirc. double check murlok.io
stoic spruce
I wish assa and sub were as fun as outlaw
grave basin
If you're trying to get 2400( the rating ) just respec sub
gleaming sentinel
disarm simulator, no thanks
lucid nimbus
helm iirc. double check murlok.io
looks split between helm legs and hands lol
gleaming sentinel
i prefer to sit full ccs with a cool sword mog instead
grave basin
I mean sure
gleaming sentinel
i got 2350 on sub, and then i had to afk because of an emergency
potent pivot
looks split between helm legs and hands lol
leave out gloves thats right
exotic dove
I dont feel like a disarm simulater when I play sub play Frost Dk then you know what an actually disarmed simulator is
potent pivot
mbmb
exotic dove
Well GG Boys and Girls its storming going to stop qing so in case I lose power or something I dont grief people
stoic spruce
Any class with displacement counters your entire spec
Me when I play outlaw
exotic dove
Another Good day today though up across the board
stoic spruce
And somehow being kited is my counter
grave basin
Legit the only difference I can tell between 2200 fdk and 2400 is one uses ams on their healer
When they're about to get ccd
grave basin
Other than that it's so scripted
hidden moth
oh rdruid is casting cyclone
grave basin
You can't play any other way
hidden moth
ams my healer cyclone immune
grave basin
Oh look his super duper Saiyan mode covering the whole arena thing is going off
Don't even need any weak auras
stoic spruce
Good fdks stopped playing it because of that lol
stoic spruce
Juice wasn't worth the squeeze
potent pivot
did u guys see the incoming white sword
grave basin
From which event
potent pivot
i don't remember
something they're using unreleased models for
like old models they never used up
stoic spruce
That's cool
grave basin
Is that for future trading post
potent pivot
it just says 11.2 i think
that and the double ended sword from timewalking this week are both so sick
potent pivot
ic
grave basin
Low key excited to do the final delve boss
Brew getting changes is just icing on the cake
hidden moth
0-5 takes a break
gets on loses
takes break gets on
loss
im 0-7 in bgb 4/7 games temple
now i que bgb
5/8 OF MY LAST GAMES HAS BEEN TEMPLE
grave basin
No new PvP talents btw
stoic spruce
So freaking true
stoic spruce
No new PvP talents btw
I bet they're to tanks to help with objs in blitz
Like bdk got
hidden moth
killing team fight
stoic spruce
If neither of these are brawlers guild I'm hanging the game up until Midnight
hidden moth
noone gets orbs
jolly sierra
i got 2350 on sub, and then i had to afk because of an emergency
i dced cuz i was forced to as reload didn't worked for ww monk slicing wind bug
i've lose 170 CR for that
just because blizzard doesn't knows how to fix their game lol
grave basin
I especially love when it bugs first round of the lobby
grave basin
hidden moth
0-8
jolly sierra
I especially love when it bugs first round of the lobby
oh yeah it happened to me
hidden moth
0-8 the last fucking bgb ive played
grave basin
I avoid bgb for my own mental
jolly sierra
funny af
hidden moth
how tf DO I GET TEMPLE FOR 5/8 GAMES BROOOO
grave basin
I got 1800 bgb for the set and never played it again
hidden moth
exotic dove
Yeah I had to make Blitz my play for fun rated bracket my frustrations ended up insanely high last season. Anything serious I put into shuffle instead
hidden moth
i was in 2700 lobbies
now its 2200
bc of this dog shit map that assa is fucking terrible in
grave basin
Never take bgb serious
hidden moth
im almost done with stratigist
thats why im malding
bc like
how do i get 5/8 bgb as temple how do i get temple back to back to back
grave basin
Same as me getting 2x melee on my sp and 2x hunter on my mage
gleaming sentinel
i love blitz on outlaw
exotic dove
Assa does work on maps like EOTS in mid great cleave there is a few others
But yeah Sub is king in BLitz
hidden moth
which is funny bc i run sub rogues fades all the time as assa
just temple sucks for assa so much bc if i get teammates who dont get orbs im useless
either i get orb and do absolutly nothing and almost insta die or i ignore orbs we get 0 points but i keep pressure on enemy orbs
lucid nimbus
Where do I start with learning the Sub burst window? feel like everything I'm coming across is hardly a guide and more of just gameplay
I assume the PVE rotation is different than PVP burst
stoic spruce
just temple sucks for assa so much bc if i get teammates who dont get orbs im us...
Temple just sucks
I really don't get the hype
potent pivot
Where do I start with learning the Sub burst window? feel like everything I'm co...
it changes too often and is kinda pointless
rotations are all based on learning the priority of spells these days not really a 'set rotation'
lucid nimbus
Where would you suggest starting haha
potent pivot
make sure you're using bigdebuffs or something to track your stuns, don't leave gaps between your stuns during burst
lucid nimbus
I mean every PVE class has a priority and you can learn them through wowhead or whatever guides a creator has released, or to my knowledge at least
I figure PVP is different though
potent pivot
press cooldowns->strike->evis
strike evis strike evis
strike sec tech
its very easy these days
apply ruptures outside of dance where applicable
Nahj has a short on his youtube channel that goes over a couple burst windows but its a little old
it does 1 or 2 things we don't do anymore
lucid nimbus
I'll give it a look, old is still better than not understanding at all
I see people take Gloomblade but don't see anyone pressing it in any videos? is it a new thing or just something we take for unlocking other nodes?
potent pivot
its not new but not everyone runs/has run it
it literally just replaces backstab
doesn't change anything about your gameplay
glacial steppe
press cooldowns->strike->evis
do you cheap in burst window
i was opending with cheap then bursting and cheaping when it about to fade
potent pivot
do you cheap in burst window
yes of course
glacial steppe
ok thanks thats what i thought
glacial steppe
when is a good time to use kidney besides on healer
potent pivot
typically anyway
glacial steppe
i struggled with that while hitting 1800
potent pivot
well it just depends
glacial steppe
like with kidney and smoke on kill target or do you just to the 3x cheap and smoke on kill target
potent pivot
so much these days is just situational
potent pivot
like with kidney and smoke on kill target or do you just to the 3x cheap and smo...
either way can work really, can depend what cross cc u have for the healer or what ur team mates are doing etv
potent pivot
there's just not really a set "always kidney X for X reason" these days
especially in like shuffle that shit can get out of whack
i'm not a huge blitz player so i honestly don't know the full ins and outs of blitz
if you're learning blitz i would go watch kalvish if u can catch him blitzing on his rogue
or weedtyler
glacial steppe
ok thanks for the tips
i got 1800 on hunter rogue and now im working on warrior after that i might do dh or try and get 1950 for enchant
potent pivot
dark kernel
im so fucking tilted
I have won a single shuffle in 5 days
dropped 180 rating now
i dont understand this
it should be mathematically impossible for a skill level to deviate to that degree
or i'm just mentally inept man
what the fuck
broken otter
Idk man, but I fucking love your Discord profile picture.
dark kernel
glad it made you happy
gleaming sentinel
Outlaw is such a weird spec for shuffle. They really just gotta take adr off the restless blades nerf
hidden moth
pastel burrow
If neither of these are brawlers guild I'm hanging the game up until Midnight
me too man
the best content WoW's ever put out
stoic spruce
Fr
outer sky
I hit 2300 rating and like completely fell apart
I have 1 rogue at 2800 and another at 2600 and I still lose lobbies on the 2600 one despite winning lobbies 200 points higher. Its the lobby itself. If I queue into shit like frost mage, MM hunter, Dev, im not gunna do well. If I queue into melee cleave I will. Thats by far a bigger source of variance than rating bracket
Did you guys see that blizzard changed the skin of the S3 glad mount?
Its still not great but its definitely the best of this xpac so far
Its got a cool celestial vibe to it
wintry dew
but still a bat
obsidian moon
I have 1 rogue at 2800 and another at 2600 and I still lose lobbies on the 2600 ...
wouldnt it be the other way around? Frost mage dev MM sounds like a 6-0 lobby for rogue
outer sky
wouldnt it be the other way around? Frost mage dev MM sounds like a 6-0 lobby fo...
You think that because all of those classes synergize well with rogue but its not organized 3s there's no communication you have to win the game by yourself. No matter how high rated your teammates are you can safely assume that if brains were dynamite they wouldn't have enough to blow their noses. Those classes are incredibly difficult to win the game by yourself against. As an assassination rogue you want to queue into melee cleaves
obsidian moon
i could see it being a little aids on a big map Tbh, but from experience melee cleaves are the worst lobs ever , like ret/warr/ww just shits on you as a rogue
outer sky
Not on me
Idk
I farm melee cleaves
WW monk is mildly annoying but id still take it over most range
If there's an unholy DK in your lobby you 6-0 for free unless you get hard trolled
outer sky
Pretty soon Ivan will show up and tell me im wrong due to some small nuance thing im somehow not considering but I promise this is generally true
Basically you want to be able to cleave, spread dots, and cross CC as much as possible
If you're getting 40 yard triangled you just cant
tight hill
native glacier
i could see it being a little aids on a big map Tbh, but from experience melee ...
Crimson tempest single handedly should win you every meele lobby.
hidden moth
Cursed
gleaming sentinel
wouldnt it be the other way around? Frost mage dev MM sounds like a 6-0 lobby fo...
Casters play to live and they are so hard to stick to if another caster also wants to peel you. It’s such a miserable experience
gleaming sentinel
I hit 2300 rating and like completely fell apart
It’s all lobby, I was about that rating too then I got into a couple shit lobbies where I’m the most cc’d in the match by 10+ ccs and now I’m just stuck purgatory of 3-3s
obsidian moon
Casters play to live and they are so hard to stick to if another caster also wan...
in a big map ye but on a smaller map it sounds like free win
obsidian moon
Crimson tempest single handedly should win you every meele lobby.
i think assa rogue gets shit on in melee lobbies if the players are good
hidden moth
i think assa rogue gets shit on in melee lobbies if the players are good
Depends on if they feint properly
Sub rogue going on u trinket feint and ur fine
Ruins their entire go
That and u got disarm that u can use on melee where u cant disarm casters
gleaming sentinel
in a big map ye but on a smaller map it sounds like free win
Yea def, it’s still an aggravating experience
dark kernel
It’s all lobby, I was about that rating too then I got into a couple shit lobbie...
I get this, but the only comment denominator after 10 lobbies is me
Do you think I have a 42% win rate this week
Oh well
I slept, and suffer again tonight
I will say, the skill disparity right above dualist is one of the most stark things ever
hidden moth
I will say, the skill disparity right above dualist is one of the most stark thi...
Wym
Like some people hit duelist and are too good and others hit it and are dog shit?
dark kernel
Like some people hit duelist and are too good and others hit it and are dog shit...
Pretty much
For instance I had a demo lock 2 days ago who never used their gate
At 2200 rating
Yesterday at 2150 rating, a warlock never even set their portal any of the matches
Adam h who cast one single polymorph in an entire six rounds of shuffle
I had a mage*
Healers have to work harder to get higher rating so I don't notice as many issues with them. Lots of them just don't understand a priority of dispelling snares on Melee
hidden moth
Healers have to work harder to get higher rating so I don't notice as many issue...
I don’t even care about snares
It’s when I’m sitting 8 second roots at a time dawg
At least snares give me the illusion of getting closer to them
the rogue walked toward the mage menacingly
dark kernel
Funny you say that, I had a fire mage and a lobby last night that I swear was trying to get his scripting to work
Because the first couple rounds he was like God awful, and then all of a sudden he starts pumping massive damage
But the guy wouldn't move at all. He would blink, but he wouldn't actually walk
He was role-playing a shadow priest or something
jaunty osprey
You think that because all of those classes synergize well with rogue but its no...
I reckon it isn't the DPS that matters for shuffle
but moreso the healer
especially for assa rogue
does the healer know how to play with an assa rogue or heal an assa rogue
is the main factor
outer sky
Idk some shit is really aids
jaunty osprey
if they play max range
outer sky
But yeah
jaunty osprey
you can't win at all
if you're facing 2x caster that pulls back and your healer
just sits 60 yards behind you
you'd rather just alt f4
but ya, you're right - assa relies on teammates to actually play decent
outer sky
Yes I've been there. Ya know the black rook hold map? Sometimes what happens is there will be a lock on that map and usually we will be trying to kill him
But my healer plays way back
And if the lock is pressured he ports in the room
And I can't go after him
Which makes him unkillable
Because every time he feels pressure he will port and be just fine
jaunty osprey
ya
so it's pointless going him if your healer doesnt allow you to chase
and then
if you dont go him, your entire team is dead
dark kernel
That's okay I blame me too
spring bough
Is PvP fun today
gleaming sentinel
34/100 wins on demo… mental needs a break from outlaw shuffle
scarlet oyster
New to assassination rogue and trying to learn it. I’ve been maining sub for years. Any tips for sin?
Should I try to keep crimson tempest up at all times on my target?
dark kernel
Is PvP fun today
No
Going to try fatebound I think
Does meth make you play better.
Trying to see something
spring bough
Going to try fatebound I think
Fatebound damage feels like it’s poop compared to trick lol
gleaming sentinel
It feels really bad beating your own personal record for leaderboard ranking but being 200 cr behind your best
spring bough
massacred my boi
Sad state of outlaw ðŸ˜
dark kernel
Fatebound damage feels like it’s poop compared to trick lol
The burst still comparable though yeah? The CDR is what feels worst to me
Idk just need lockin
gleaming sentinel
Feel like fate is more about playing goalie and enabling your other dps, but if your other dps isn’t good trickster prob better
dark kernel
Need mental reset then. You know those days when you just want to try harder and it somehow makes you worse?
That's me right now
Just 4 back to back days of losses demoralizing
gleaming sentinel
Right now I’m alternating between lock games and rogue games and I’ve been doing a lot better
I might pull a vancleef and send my survival hunter some boxes
spring bough
The burst still comparable though yeah? The CDR is what feels worst to me
Fatebound tails always my top dmg with it and I don’t like that idk why lol
hidden moth
Should I try to keep crimson tempest up at all times on my target?
Ct on 2+ target fok 2+ target
hidden moth
Does meth make you play better.
My adderall helps a lot ngl
scarlet oyster
Ct on 2+ target fok 2+ target
Thank you. I’ll try that now. I’ve been trying to keep uptime on CT even on single target and it seems like I’m not doing good damage.
tawdry lodge
why evicerate once before secret tech on opener
dark kernel
why evicerate once before secret tech on opener
Extra danse stack
languid ravine
where can I see R1 cutoffs for example for assa rogue in shuffles?
like how many slots there are
tawdry lodge
as sub do we tend to use kidney on off target/healer and use cheapshot on kill target?
humble spear
let's gooooo
hidden moth
Thank you. I’ll try that now. I’ve been trying to keep uptime on CT even on sing...
Ct does 20% more dam per target afflicted up to 100% (5 targets)
That’s why we don’t ct for single target unless ur going to get rup gar ct before vanishing and letting them rot in a 1v1
HOWEVER
if it’s say 1v1 vs bm hunter
USE CT
Bc the pets get hit, sure the ct hitting pets doesn’t do much to kill them and that’s not the goal, thing is bc u have ct on 5 enemy’s (hunter+ pets) ur ct now hits 2X as hard on the hunter
hidden moth
as sub do we tend to use kidney on off target/healer and use cheapshot on kill t...
Situational
But generally yes
If playing rmp etc u can step kidney heal, into blind, letting ur mage sheep off
But in shuffle where drs are everywhere
U can kidney kill target
or use it as cross cc on 2nd dps if the healer is already stunned by ex. Hoj and use cheap on kt during burst
spring bough
let's gooooo
Hell yeah!!!
hidden moth
let's gooooo
Also poggies
hidden moth
holy shit
first bgb of the day and its gilneas
then our ret loses lh to a sub rogue boomie kekw
we somehow comback a win
I BROKE MY 8 GAME LOSS STREAK
hard compass
I was capping on a ret in panda valley yesterday to swing and win and my warrior charged and broke sap costing us the game 🤤
hidden moth
mmm ct
hidden moth
Thank you. I’ll try that now. I’ve been trying to keep uptime on CT even on sing...
3v3 damage break down
frost dk assa vs aff lock fury war
2.23 mil envenom with dark night juicer
jolly sierra
Need mental reset then. You know those days when you just want to try harder and...
happens, i recall i was 1k9 in early DF for s1 and dropped straight to 1k4 after not hearing my sanity
i was able to get back shortly after, but my mind was in bot mode in that moment, not assuming defeat in the matches xd
hear yourselves, guys, don't regret it later
hidden moth
is it just be or did check pvp remove the ranking for solo shuffle specs
i dont see that tab rn
hidden moth
god damn @spring bough
dark kernel
1200 round champ
I'm at like 700 and I know the pain.
I used your cleave build for a lot of my push
jaunty osprey
spring bough
U GOTTA QUEUE 1 MORE TO BE POSITIVE OR 50% THOUGH
If I Que one more time and try to be 50-50 ima fuck it up lol
dark kernel
Ain't no fucking way that's real
jaunty osprey
potent pivot
well
its nice to see for sure but
they're just trying to bring us in line with everyone else on ptr
gleaming sentinel
spring bough
I wonder how much overall outlaw goes down with the flurry nerf
potent pivot
unfortunately its not gonna be like we got buffed that much in comparison to other classes on live
jaunty osprey
ya for sure
but
we went s1 -> s2 without any ASSA changes
at all
for pvp
the stuff that got changed was pve only
so to get any buffs and to not stay the same power level makes me happy
even if it's just bringing us in line with other specs
spring bough
Imagine if they put * doesn’t apply to PvP 💀
potent pivot
i'm happy they didn't leave out envenom at least
stoic spruce
I wonder how much overall outlaw goes down with the flurry nerf
It doesn't
spring bough
I’m happy ima do something dmg as outlaw now
potent pivot
thought 4% is meh
jaunty osprey
thought 4% is meh
8% aura last week
spring bough
It doesn't
Yeah when u don’t press flurry lol
potent pivot
8% aura last week
i know, but its because we were like 10%+ behind everyone else on ptr
exotic dove
Ah crap sorry @jaunty osprey you linked it too lol my bad ill delete mine
jaunty osprey
ya but pvp plays a LIL different so we arent ACTUALLY down as much in pvp situations
i need the PVErs
to keep sandbagging
assa
hidden moth
thats one for the books
potent pivot
ya but pvp plays a LIL different so we arent ACTUALLY down as much in pvp situat...
the differences on ptr were pretty insane
stoic spruce
Yeah when u don’t press flurry lol
10% made up for it. It's neutral at worst.
potent pivot
don't get me wrong i'm glad they aren't just forgetting rogue exists
stoic spruce
the DK died first, that means he sucks
He should've death striked
potent pivot
i just don't want someone to see that and think they're getting buffed by that much in relation to us VS other classes on live if that makes sense
potent pivot
they actually nerfed outlaw too
jaunty osprey
wonder how far behind they were
stoic spruce
I highly doubt it'll be noticeable
potent pivot
its just funny
stoic spruce
It is
Because
It was nerfed because trickster
Fatebound aoe
So bad
Fatebound with bf feels like a formality
vocal surge
Tried out the PTR yet popo?
vocal surge
Ye
stoic spruce
And I have yesterday
stoic spruce
Ask later tonight pookie
spring bough
See u there
stoic spruce
Not free atm
spring bough
It’s a date
vocal surge
XD
potent pivot
yeah the only thing i'm seeing that i like on these notes is the outlaw aura buff
but
jaunty osprey
i'll take the garrote and rupture damage regardless
potent pivot
we'll keep getting tuning even the first month of the patch so
jaunty osprey
yeah
spring bough
MT weps inc
stoic spruce
MT weps inc
The opposite
potent pivot
they literally worded that to make it sound like we were getting MT weps again
without saying we were for sure
stoic spruce
jaunty osprey
also, remember not to farm the legion mounts during collector's bounty
just get it during remix
spring bough
Propaganda
jaunty osprey
lmao
hidden moth
Assassination
Crimson Tempest damage reduced by 9%.
Envenom damage increased by 4%
Garrote damage increased by 13%
Rupture damage increased by 8%.
Ambush damage increased by 7%.
Mutilate damage increased by 11%
Melee auto-attack damage increased by 8%.
Outlawleggo
jaunty osprey
Assassination
Crimson Tempest damage reduced by 9%.
Envenom damage increased by ...
from D tier to C+ tier now
spring bough
Rogue is always S tier
Always
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot help, he's bullying me
potent pivot
https://www.wowhead.com/news/mage-tower-appearances-wont-be-obtainable-in-legion...
why are they so pussy
stoic spruce
"MT weapons inc" when the article has that title is so funny ngl
Maybe we can get recolors of mage tower
jaunty osprey
@wooden spire hi
potent pivot
stoic spruce
why are they so pussy
Imma be honest
Some specs have garbo MT weps and they have no reason to complain about not being able to obtain it.
I've never woken up and thought "man I wish I had outlaws mage tower appearance"
potent pivot
same
but assa's is good, sub's is aight
lots of other classes have a good one or two as well
potent pivot
mhm
i just don't see how it would be that difficult to reimplement the OG MT at proper scaling even
stoic spruce
This is where DKs get frostmourne mog
potent pivot
like they did for the MT we have now
stoic spruce
Well
Current MT, adds die easily
Like
I ran it yesterday and my BF casts nuked most adds
And
stoic spruce
Everyone is super OP so they probably don't want to deal with it.
stoic spruce
get a new mage tower
They didn't say we werent
.>
What a random post
Legion remix news out of nowhere
potent pivot
and hasn't really been changed for those trees
dark kernel
I killed one of the bosses in 10 seconds
potent pivot
the MT we have now was made with SL talents
and tuned for classes at the time
we've gone through a lot of change since
stoic spruce
I guess
But
Everything is scaled down
Idk
Frankly
Not having a new MT would be a missed opportunity
potent pivot
wait
stoic spruce
We're gonna have infinite stats and new abilities so I see why they don't want to
potent pivot
they're even giving us mythic ToV appearances
potent pivot
but no MT recolors lmao
stoic spruce
No no
dark kernel
Ehh it'd be hard to do kind of
dark kernel
Yeah that makes sense.
stoic spruce
The new MT will be MT recolors
potent pivot
when is this even supposed to come out idr
stoic spruce
Winter
dark kernel
The announcement really isn't that unexpected. No rare events and mop remix has no pvp gear either
spring bough
Maybe we can get recolors of mage tower
Originals prob not coming back but recolors prob on the table 👀
stoic spruce
I'm not shocked in the slightest
stoic spruce
Originals prob not coming back but recolors prob on the table 👀
Yeah I bet we get them from MT
potent pivot
idk if they really wanted to pump numbers
they'd re-release all unobtainable shit somehow
so many people would come back just to get that kinda stuff again
stoic spruce
Just the base MT at least
potent pivot
even recolors too tho ye
spring bough
Can’t wait to get super OP ilvl and gear in remix. Then go one shot the MT boss on each spec lol
stoic spruce
Yeah recolors are free game for sure
Dude
I'm so hyped
For
Dreadblade recolors
stoic spruce
True
hidden moth
THE FACT MENDING BANDAGE IS INSTANT CAST AND SPAMABLE
stoic spruce
But then again
hidden moth
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
stoic spruce
I'm not gonna not play it
potent pivot
THE FACT MENDING BANDAGE IS INSTANT CAST AND SPAMABLE
wdym spammable
stoic spruce
I'm still made I won't get the dreadblades ability in remix though
spring bough
Can’t wait to cast dreadblades again
spring bough
They gotta find some way to make it work
potent pivot
mop remix was just DF abilities
stoic spruce
I've got a feeling
potent pivot
with the added gems shit
hidden moth
wdym spammable
25 second cd
stoic spruce
That the weapons are just a bunch of gem slots for random ass stat procs and atuff
potent pivot
maybe artifact powers will be on gems or somethin
wait
imagine using other classes artifact powers
like no class limitations
stoic spruce
I thought about that
potent pivot
stoic spruce
And its super cool and funny
And
I wonder how say bdk would interact with kingsbane
spring bough
I wonder how say bdk would interact with kingsbane
Heal u to infinity somehow
stoic spruce
However
potent pivot
they would have to change a lot of stuff
stoic spruce
I will say this
potent pivot
to make it congruent
stoic spruce
Legion is Holly Longdales favorite expansion so I'm convinced they're gonna do her justice given her position
So frankly my hopes are high
exotic dove
2500 Lobby I went 3-3 against a Pres evoker, Dev evoker, Arcane Mage, Ret Pally and Hpal as Assa. I stayed alive ina lobby I thought I was going to fail in
exotic dove
New cr 2318
went up 48 points
ill catch my mmr soon hopefully
by winning
Good day on the main
spring bough
Fdk with dreadblades
infinite rune power to spam frost strike GG
bout to finally get my lilrogue gnome to 80 and pvp
hidden moth
well it helped the hunter is a dumbass
dude used mending bandage while i had deathmark off cd
exotic dove
Congrats 🙂
spring bough
Elite babbbbyyyyyyy
spring bough
Kill them?
spring bough
like im bonny blue
Don’t worry when u take enough WWs you’ll build the stamina up to take them down
spring bough
Time to alt it up after that lol
hidden moth
nvm